This is my favourite laser so far! Tested & CO2 compare xTool D1 40w review, veneer inlay & sinter
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Cheers J
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@@MorpheusTO thank you, I'll check that and let you know
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I feel I would be a good charity. 🙄
Yea, that's the ticket!
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A coffee table you say.....when we left UK for South Africa in 1948 my father made a 1/2 dozen coffee tables in teak to sell for funds on the way..... all fully inlaid with veneer.....2 years later he was still getting letters for the tables from people who saw the first lot.....i think he would have sacrificed one of his balls for a laser like this.
Wow that's cool, I know right, this board was 40mins cutting, 5mins design and maybe an hour to epoxy and I've created a valuable product. Tables are definitely highly valued. Cheers J
New to laser engraving - been watching lots of youtube videos - yours are the BEST! :D Thanks for making this fun! :D :D :D
Retired master mechanic here. I do enjoy watching good men with knowledge and ability show me stuff. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Cheers J
Retired high end service and repair contractor here, with the exception of HVAC work a 10% margin is tough to maintain, 30% is perfect, and probably low when you consider quality against the competition that is charging more and delivering less.
Can't wait to see more videos soon my friend
Cool project. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep forge lit. Keep making. God bless.
Thank you always and God bless you too. cheers J
Its so good to see you having this much sponsors, i watch you'r channel for YEARS, and i see you'r strugle, and im verry pleases to see that your making it, thankyou for being alive sir, much respect... (Danny from Brazil btw)
Thank you Danny for sticking by. These sponsorships should be stepping stones to more interesting builds that should also benefit those without. If I play the game correctly. cheers J
Brilliant review 👍
Thank you Paul. cheers J
Outstanding video. Very relevant content, particularly as fast as this industry is moving. Outstanding sample projects, no fluff, your delivery is entertaining and effective and the video is well produced. Cannot wait to explore more of your content. You are a natural and wish you great success!
Thank you so much and for your kind support. Cheers J
Gotta say, I like your closing about getting off TH-cam for a bit of time in the real world. Plus I like the xTool even more now that I watched you do the inlays and, before that, your calculation of ROI. Good stuff to see.
Thank you so much, it's stuff I want to see so I share it. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle And I would enter the raffle, but right now I don't have a space where I can use it.
❤wow that was very comprehensive you covered so much if I had the money would definitely buy a cutting machine looking for things I can do now after being so active then rheumatoid arthritis and floored me in a year keep up the great videos there great 👍
Thank you Pete, having machines do all the work for you is fun but very costly as you say. cheers J
Thank you for another informative and inspirational video. Please post results back on TH-cam. Old timers don't Instagram so much. Would like to see more metal working ideas. I'll pass on entering for the co2 laser, since I'm in the states. Cheers Joshua!
Thank you Matt, I'll upload a short for you. cheers J
Awesome video, thank you, Josha
Thank you for watching. Cheers J
Best Review of this laser i had watched so far. Thx m8 i will order this handy tool next year (:
Thank you so much. Before you do check out my latest reviews as the competition is getting better and cheaper. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle thx i will do this right now
You got skillz Enjoy your Vids... Lots of great Ideas...
This review is amazing. I like how you test them and after the job you give your own opinion. What is good and what's not. I plan to buy one to for my workshop. Thank you again for this video. Keep it up 💪💯
Thank you so much. Cheers J
I really appreciate you keeping your mistakes and work-around in. Exactly the sort of issues that might throw a laser newbie like myself.
Lol I appreciate that too. Where are you watching from?
im impressed with the x tool,
that celtic knot for a bit of scrap wood came out fantastic
Thank you, I'm super pleased with it, I want to try a coffee table next. cheers J
@@joshuadelisle oak inlaid w mesquite....now my grey matter is wiggling. But honestly that brings up a thought/question.
Being as how many knife makers use stabilized woods for their handles and some to for the display, wonder how this machine would do in stabilized woods?
There i go thinking 🤔🤔 🤔 again.
@@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 I just coated it in epoxy resin with a glass finish. It's made the wood pearly and iridescent and I like it a lot. Cheers J
Thanks for the review...just what I wanted to see... Im just about to buy this very machine...with the extended bed...and air...
Everything @cviator said, plus just thinking of jumping from 20 to 40 watt so really helpful. And love your piece of Thor kit😀
Thank you. I have more 40w machines to show very soon. Cheers J
Great video informative and clear
Thank you so much. Cheers J
cheers pal, really useful info. gotta get this one instead of co2
Thank you. That's my same thought on it. Cheers J
Really well done. The flame sensors use IR I believe to detect the flames, and the sun basically has so many frequencies of light that it's going to trip it every time. I would've kept the CO2 for clear acrylics since it's a UV vs visiable light beam, but if you're not doing alot of clear acrylic cutting then these 40 watt diode lasers are definitely worth replacing them. This is the second video in a row I've seen of yours that's been so incredibly entertaining and informative...subscribed and will go back and watch the rest! Great job!
Thank you so much. I've got new CO2 lasers to show soon. Cheers J
Thankyou for a top video
Thank you for watching. Cheers J
Hi Josh. That looks like a really great machine for anyone who wants to start a small business; It's ideal. Yes, it's expensive, but I think. you get what you're peer for. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Brian. for the performance it is definitely cost effective to get a return on. Yes a £300 10w can do a great job but at a 5th of the power and speed. Cheers J
Yep I have exactly the same problem with sunlight. The skylight in my shed lets midday sun through, if it shines on the laser it's a fire alarm stop every time.
Really annoying isn't it... cheer J
Oh lordy, it would have a stroke at my litt spot. 😂. Mainly because my " shop " is the great out doors over here in West Texas USA.!. That's where the smithy is, wood shop as well. Suns definitely going to be an issue. Hahaha 🤣🤣
Another cracking review 👌🏻 That’s sold it for me as a full time knife maker who’s etched and stamped thus far 🍺👌🏻🏴
Thank you so much. All the very best. Cheers J
Great info. We've been thinking about an xtool for a while!
Thank you Sharah, I think it's great and I'll be getting the extensions an IR module for it. Cheers J
Awesome content! Cheers!
Thank you Margo. cheers J
Amazing!
Thank you. Cheers J
Miss the old days of blacksmithing . A life worth living.
I did some blacksmithing videos recently but hardly anyone watches them, I will do more smithing videos but only if I can get them to pay as you can imagine the costs are very high otherwise and not many clients are ordering anything nice. I did think to do a laser inlayed table with Celtic wrought iron legs if that's interesting enough, people love lasers at the moment. Cheers J
@Joshua De Lisle i did not realise the situation in the the trade. Your skill is wonderful.
@@jamesbrady3433 I just riding this sponsorship wave whilst it's available, I want create some of my best work yet that doesn't rely on a paying customer which may happen soon and can even raffle the final product off after. I'll start small by forging and crafting something small and work up to larger items. Cheers J
Awesome! For the inlays, did you use the Kerf adjustment in Lightburn?
I did buy my xTool about 3 Weeks ago. You should also look into their Infrared Diode Head. It is super simple to swap Heads for this machine and just add another wavelength to your tool chain.
I'll ask if I can try that out. Cheers J
Not sure if it has already been mentioned in the comments but the knob that tightens the laser module can be pulled out away from the laser so that you never have it against the frame. There is a spring in there that will snap it back. Also I would turn off the fire sensor or at least reduce it's intensity in the settings. It can only be done in Creative Space but once it's written to the machine it will be off when you use Lightburn as well.
Thats really good information thank you for that. cheers J
Buy the expansion kit! I installed mine two months ago and love it.
I certainly will. Cheers J
I really appreciate you 👍
And I appreciate your support. Cheers J
Another great video. It's amazing to see how much laser technology has come on over the years! I've entered the raffle, might win, might not, so long as it helps you create more content like this in all for it. I do miss seeing some forge work though tbh
Thank you so much, you're very kind. I had a thought to make a laser inlayed table top with forged ironwork legs, maybe something Celtic. Truth is my forge work videos I did recently got hardly any views but these lasers seem to be what people want to see, so maybe do a video with both? Cheers J
Looks good dude
Thank you Toby. Will order that steel powder from you shortly. Cheers J
yes X-tool does have an expansion system. i have it. it doubles the size. definitely worth it for large engraving, or just to open the work space. Also, an enclosure is good. That 40 watt module FILLS my shop with walnut smoke 😂
Nice. Thank you. Cheers J
Great overview! I just found your channel and watched several of your videos. Out of the 33w Longer vs the 40w xtool (both of which you reviewed), which laser engraver do you like better?
Thanks!
Thank you so much. The xTool is much more powerful but also very good quality and good diode cooling. The xTool cuts the 9mm ply at 500mm/m whilst the LONGER cuts at 250mm/m. Put it this way of all the lasers I've received I'm keeping the xTool 40w. Cheers J
That reminds me of the age old saying, " Don't force it.... get a bigger hammer!" Nice video.
i hadn't thought about the idea of mixing woods - I'll give that a try. I've been experimenting with glass and slate. People wrongly say slate is mono - you can get around 5-10 levels from it. Glass - I'm struggling with - one. the 'tempered' coasters I got seem to not be tempered, since one cracked into bit slices. And it seems to be tricky to get a sharp enough laser melt to get a decent dither pattern for photos.
I'll see if I can try that in my next videos. Cheers J
These 40W diode lasers sure are getting useful.
Very useful and apparently profitable which is important if you're spending £1k+ on a machine. Cheers J
I do value this content
Thank you so much. Cheers J
Engraving metal, then adding powder-coat and repeating the engraving(probably a lot lower power) may be a better option to sintering(may need air of but might not kill the lens protector with the lower temperatures needed)
That might be an option. Im going to try lasering through glass with an argon gas shield. Bit of effort but could work. Cheers J
14:16 Might be interesting to cut veneers for inlay work.
Definitely and with thin material it will be much faster too. Cheers J
Great review, i was wondering if it cuts acrylic an if it does , what is the cutting quality. Thx
Hi. Yes it can and better than any other on the 450nm wave length. Just not clear acrylic only opaque. Cheers J
Hi Joshua. The machine works great but at 1600 pounds there is not enough gold on it for my money.
I have been considering getting an Xtool laser, and based on your review, I think it will do just what I need.
I believe it's a good choice and they're known for quality and long lasting. My links are affiliate if you want to support me too. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle Thanks.
I have the D1 Pro with the 20w module, and my cross gantry looks a bit different than yours. It has some holes in it and included zip ties to keep the cable up and away from the rails during homing and working on wide pieces near the edges.
Yes the 40w module comes with a new X axis and few sensor parts. Once in all the modules for the new head stock. Cheers J
What's your kerf offset value that you found was just right Joshua?
Seen people place a thin sheet of glass held off the surface by matches, and then using paint pigments to infil etchings.
I'll look at that, thank you. Cheers J
watch all your videos, one of my favourite youtubers. stop the laser vids, get the diy plasma table build out, or more useful tool reviews. lasers are too expensive, interesting though. sub £500 mark.
Thank you. I'll do my best, let me ride this wave for the moment as it's paying for the content you desire. I want to forge more sculptures soon and do builds with minimal tools and low budgets. Cheers J
Another fantastic video. Really enjoyed watching your video catalogue on the laser engravers. This one looks a nice bit of kit but out my price range. I'm looking to purchase the Sculpfun S30 Pro, is this one you have used before, or can you recommend a 10w machine for a beginner.
Keep up the good work 👏👍🏻
Thank you so much, I tested the cheapest Comgrow 10w which is £300 and is perfectly fine engraving stainless and cuts 9mm thick ply although very slowly. check out my video on that for the links and discounts. I've not tried the Sculpfun but I'll considder it for review if you want it. cheers J
@@joshuadelisle thanks for that. If Sculpfun were kind enough to send you one for review that would be great to see.
@@DarrenFeeney I'll see what I can do. Cheers J
Awesome
Cheers J
Noice video :) Appreciate the time taken to put this together !
Question - what was that about a fire alarm and then the machine stopped .... But why? If the machine has a flame detection ( basically some IR detectors and some maths ) why then would it stop the cut head instantly on flame detection, i mean, it want's the fire to consume it's cut head ?
I suggest the default behavior on flame detection should be to return the cut head to a corner and stop when hits limit switches ...
If I've misunderstood and you've some separate fire detector please let me know :)
You're correct, that would be much better if the head moved to home imediately, maybe thats a bit of code I can add, I'll look into that. cheers J
I think an argon atmosphere will work on that powder
Neat tools and a crazy nice bit of work .
However being The Technochallenged Chromagnum Manchild, quite out of my wheelhouse! 😂 Perhaps one day I'll learn computer stuffs
Blessings aboundant brother.
Crawford out 🙏🔥⚒️🧙🏼♂️
Thank you Daniel, I must do a clear tutorial of how to use one in depth as your not the first to say that. cheers J
I keep trying to justice buying another toy that I can hide from the wife.... you got me one step closer. :)
Lol... its a slippery slope, cheers J
Laser hole-layout, should dig deep enough into metal to make a functional divot for a pilot-hole..........
(guide-lines for a metal band-saw may also be quite doable...)
Definitely. I even thought of using it for fold lines too. Cheers J
I've been looking at the various diode lasers for a while now, my conclusions are that despite there being numerous versions out there there are probably only 3 or 4 companies making them in China , the rest are just rebadged versions, there are apparently 2 laser diodes used, one at 5.5W optical output and one at 6 or perhaps just over 6 W Optical output, thus you get 4 (or more) combined beams via a prism giving either 20 or 22 W, 30 or 33W and 40W (and we must assume soon arround 44W). You loose a tiny amount of power by running it through the prism typically about 0.5W per beam
So given that the laser heads are likely only from two companies with just minor cosmetic differences between everyone you then have to look at everything else that makes up the lasers, typically this is bed size, build quality and accessories. Note that as you increase the laser power the module gets physically larger and this means your cutting area decreases slightly.Theres a few interesting options.
Sculpfun's latest ULTRA versions come with a 600 x 600 area as standard, their previous machines are typically around 400 x 400 but you can expand to 400 x 935 or even expand both axes to a massive (for a diode laser) 935 x 905 mm (the ultra does not currently have expansion options)
Atomstack are another maker where rebranded versions are available, again most of their models are circa 400 x 400 mm cutting area with an expansion option to 800 x 400 mm, their add on for etching cylindrical objects is one of the best out there and apparently is compatible with most brands of diode laser requiring you to use one of just two different connecting cords
To get the best quality from your laser cutter/etcher
i.) Use a honeycomb or similar base for flat materials and make sure you use a dull sheet of metal (Aluminium best as a diode won't cut it) a reasonable distance below the bed, sand the sheet so that you don't get any reflections of laser light back up into the laser module
ii.) Put the whole thing in a box and extract the air (mainly) from beneath the cutting area, this will significantly reduce the amount of smoke damage on the rear of cut material. This also helps reduce the chace of fire and will keep the lens cleaner
You can etch anodised aluminium, but the only metals a diode laser will cut is likely to be steel and stainless steel up to maybe 5 thosandths of an inch (0.125 mm) thick for 20W or more powerful lasers, you might be able to also cut Bronze as it has a similar thermal conductivity to steel.
A diode laser will not cut clear materials however as with anodised aluminium applying a removable coating to glass or perspex will often allow you to etch the surface.
When cutting made up boards e.g plywood or MDF be prepared to test each board, fine grain timber like Birch Ply will be harder to cut than cheaper ply, partly due to the wood but also due to the glues used in the laminations, some of which are more resistant to laser cutting whilst others are more flamable, there appears to be very little difference between regular MDF and the more expensive laserable MDF, however in both cases you want that extraction system I mentioned earlier, the fumes from the glue/binder material is not good for your continued health, make sure your extraction unit clears the fumes from your workspace.
Lastly when cutting synthetic materials BE PARTICULARLY CAREFUL and look up what can be given off, lasers will cut many fabrics, leathers and foams, but some e.g PVC and fake leather can potentially kill you, PVC gives off Hydrochloric Acid and Chlorine Gas for example
Excellent information. Thank you for sharing. Cheers J
I really enjoy your videos. i am particularly interested in the frame laser engravers. I have a conventional CO2 laser that I have had from new for about 15 years. It is a 40 watt machine and although the power has dropped off due to the age of the machine it still works, however it has developed another fault that may require more money to be spent, significantly more than the cost of the +1000 pounds of the machines you have recently reviewed. So at the moment it would be cheaper to buy a diode laser than get my machine repaired. Do you have any information on the cost of replacing the diode laser unit and do you have any information regarding possible life expectancy of the diode units. Rgds, Jeff
Hi Jeff. I've got mixed views on longevity. It's said that the diode laser last a lot longer than co2 but that if you over heat them running too high of power you risk burning out the diode very quickly. I've not had long term use on any of my lasers as I'm constantly testing new ones to truly comment but currently my thoughts are that a 60w+ co2 is better for commercial purposes until a diode laser is available at the same amount of power. I think the future diode laser will be more expensive than co2 lasers when that happens though. It depends on your personal needs I believe.
I've been aching to get a later cutter/engraver for a few years now, but more for cutting and etching acrylic and other plastics for making light diffusors or edge lit stuff, so diode lasers aren't really an option. I know CO2 laser tubes do eventually wear out, but I'm a little dubious on lifespan of diode laser lifetime. Will a diode laser hold up long enough to see a ROI?
It's very dependent on the quality of the manufacturer. In most cases 10000+ hours is regarded as the norm for a diode. However if used on max without adequate cooling the lifespan can deteriorate fast. I'm test the xTool P2 soon and others. Cheers J
I"ve been looking at the XTool D1 and have been trying to decide if I have the 40W, would I need the Infrared laser for doing metal.
I use it to etch my knife at 06:46 the 455nm wave length is fantastic on stainless steel, the infra red is good for non ferrous metals I beleive. cheers J
Hi, personally, I love these comparison type videos.
Six months on, do you still rate your x-tool cutter?
Thank you. I'm currently filming the xTool D1 again with the extensions. Still a great tool although it has some design niggles and is slightly pricey compared to other new competitors in the 40w range. It's very good quality and robust otherwise. I'm trying to do a longevity test to see how long these diodes last. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle I don't see a 40W option on the xtool page, did you upgrade yours yourself?
You need to approach these companies for affiliate links.
@@simontopley4771 there should be links in the description. Cheers J
Thanks Joshua for another indepth video, brilliant results. Being a tight ar5ed Yorkshire man I wouldn't pay that much for the Xtool. There's a few design flaws for £1600
Thank you Rob, I've kept it honest, it's definitely the best cutting laser of its type but can always be improved for sure. I still think it's better that my £3000 co2 which is also on the lower end in its category as they can go for £6000+ using the xTool P2 and Glowforge as an example. Personally I'm tight too and more likely to build one from second hand parts than ever buy one new. If I needed one. I'm very blessed to have the chance at playing with the latest models for sure. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle points well put. I have a Chinese co2 -upgrade with a self built height adjustable bed with 3d printed parts. Also a ortur laser master Pro 2 again upgraded, so I'm probably in for £1300, plus Lighburn, which is excellent and so easy to use. Thank you for your fresh approach to content.
Looks like a superb piece of kit
So far it's been fantastic, I want to inlay a full size table with it soon. Cheers J
I was thinking that you should same those inlays, seal, and polish a little, and then sell them as cutting boards. You cut 2 designs, in which you would get 2 cutting boards, 1 light on dark and 1 dark on light. Custom mapping them could exponentially increase the price.
Edit... I didn't mean making, but I am struggling to know what I meant. My spellchecker is really a Grammer wrecker!
Oh, I know, I meant custom ordering, but I don't know the exact word that I meant.
Anyways, you could make them thinner, getting 2 for every one of what you did, then make little wood feet or if a hard wood, and route a ring around the surface to can any liquids. I guarantee that you could sell them! Especially if they were sanded with a high grit, and then go fiber and more fine until it has a sheen! Nothing works like wood for a cutting board. I would buy one.
Good idea. Cheers J
I bought one 2 mo ths ago it has lareadu paid for itself love them
Thats awesome, cheers J
Already paid for itself? WOW 😲 that's awesome 👍😎.
Mind if I ask what kinda things have you created n sold?
Blessings aboundant
Crawford out 🙏🔥⚒️🧙🏼♂️
@@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 i refurbish and engrave axes for throwing. I also make metal business cards for people.
@@benjaminpolson30 awesome 😎
Can we use a bigger table such as 1m x 1m ? Can the stepper drive this 1m gantry ? Do you have any idea to make table bigger ?
It can go longer but not wider. I have an extension ready for it in a future video. There should be a link to the extensions with all the information you need in the description box. Cheers J
I like, and a comment for the algorithm. : -)
Thank you so much. Cheers J
@16:00 what model is the big vice you have on the table.
Is not a vice it's a bending tool. Trade marked Miracle bender no.3 I think. Cheers J
cool
Thank you, cheers J
So it is best to use "Multipass"
Yes for clean char free cuts speed is better and so multiple passes are needed. Cheers J
Can the xtool cut clear acrylic? seems that is one of the big advantages of co2 over diode.
No it can't, it needs a different wavelength for clear but it can do opaque very well, However Co2 can't etch stainless steel so it's down to personal preference. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle can never have it all lol
Have you tried using dry molly on the steel :)
No but you're not the first to suggest it so I'll try it out. Cheers J
Not sure about whether any fumes are noxious! :)
@@simonoldgit I'll have to set up my enclosure and extraction then. Cheers J
You make using those look so easy to use but for old guys like myself I'd have to take several classes on how to use computers and then all the rest of it. I wouldn't know where to start at. But I bet my grand children would know what to do with it and make cool stuff. Nice video buddy. If I could afford one I'd definitely get my grand daughter one for her birthday. I'm so happy I started my grand children on using computers when they were only 4 or 5 years old. They can do way more than I can an I call them twice every month when I need help with my own computer and I'm noticing that I am not even turning my system on like I use to do. I'd rather be tying flies for fishing or setting up easy wood working ideas and not have stress from learning new things. After all that's why I always have said, that's why we have kids and grandkids, to do the computer work for us.
Thank you Terry, you raise a good point and therefore I must do an easy to follow tutorial on using one. cheers J
but can't you do more with the CO2 laser like aluminum and brass? Diode lasers wont engrave a lot of different metals right?
You can get IR modules now that do all non ferrous metals. Cheers J
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Thank you. Cheers J
I think the enclosure and the ability to evacuate the smoke is worth a pretty penny. But could that be added for 100 pounds instead? Well, build it and do let us know!
Definitely and with the extension kit also. Cheers J
How long will it last for ?
It's generally accepted that a diode laser lasts 10000h+. However there are factors that would reduce this number and it depends on how much the diodes over heat or kept cool. The D1 has a very good cooling system and so I would say is going last longer than any other model. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle Beam combiners will degrade much faster than the diode, especially the ones that are down stream.
The CO2 can cut clear acrylic and I think the diode can only cut dark acrylic.
Correct. Cheers J
I'm stuck between Xtool and Acmer P1 33w.
Have you seen the falcon2 or LONGER B1? Cheers J
@joshuadelisle that I haven't. Been practicing on an Atzer p30w. Just trying to find the right machine for myself.
Is your 30% M/U based on you marking up from costs, or are you actually getting 30% of your sell price?
Just curious.
Hi. I normally but not always work on a workshop rate which includes wages, insurance, vehicles, rents etc, then I add 30% margin and then add expenses such as materials, consumables, shipping etc. Often my clients buy the materials because they can claim the VAT which I'm currently not registered for. Other times I place what I call a bid, which is basically a guess on how much the client is prepared to pay whilst maximizing my profit, once a bid is accepted it's then a challenge to complete the job as quickly as I can without cutting corners so I'm getting as much money per hour as I can get. However sometimes a job ends up costing more than what I bid so it's a bit of a gamble. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle: What I was really asking is whether you're getting a "flat" M/U, or a "full" M/U. i.e.: "flat" 30% M/U: $100.00 (cost) x 1.30 = $130.00.
Whereas, a "full" M/U allows you a 30% margin of your overall "sell" price.
For instance, if you "divided" your total costs by the reciprocal of 30% (which is .70),
i.e.: $100.00 (cost) ÷ .70 = $142.86. You can see the difference in margin. Let's say you
want a "full" 40% M/U: Divide $100.00 (cost) by .60 would give you a total of $166.67
Using this method gives you an actual margin of profit of your "sell", or retail price, not
just a percentage of your costs.
This method of M/U is used across various industries, especially when reselling a product.
This approach allows the seller to reach a more prefered M/U.
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5:59 Yeah, you really got stung on that CO2 laser cutter. You can get a lot more for that money if you buy a professional cutter. It will look awful, it won't be kind to you, but you get a lot more laser power.
Thank you Fred. Which do you recommend? Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle Whatever looks like a full spectrum laser machine, because they just import them for resale straight off the boat. I've sourced three of them through said full spectrum laser company for companies I've worked for. Much easier letting them handle all the import stuff. My favorite was the big meter wide table machine with I think 120W tube. I swapped the stock focal length lens for a longer one, that thing would eat. I cut fixture plates out of ply, then used them + cermark to "etch" metal parts en masse.
I think gweike is the actual manufacturer of most all Chinese CO2 "industrial" laser machines. Their controllers and software are garbage, but totally workable.
Surely the ACMER is a better value machine?
Definitely cheaper, the ACMER cut the 9mm ply one pass at 250mm per minute whilst the xTool did it at twice the speed at 500mm per minute, so you get twice the performance at under a 1/4 more in cost based on just the 9mm ply test. If the extra power means more speed therefore more turnover of parts being cut then you'll be getting your money back faster. It depends on how commercial you want to be but ACMER is fantastic quality and amazing focal length. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle yes, fair point!
About your pricing .. while the mashine is working I'm sure you will be doing something else . So I would say that 2 times what you said.. :)
That is a good point, I've considered stacking several on shelving all running at the same time. The workshop rate remains the same but each unit should generate 30% profit each I think. Cheers J
Put the metal powder under glass
I'll try that. Could crack but worth a try. Cheers J
Mix the metal with some kind of binding agent
I would probably take the laser out and make a laser gun out of it, do my engraving free hand, laser guns are awesome..Maybe not legal...
Sounds fun though. Cheers J
Quicker means more quick, so more quicker would be more more quick. OK then. Of course, this is a new thing that has suddenly become widespread for some reason so you are not the only offender by any means. Are people saying most quickest yet, I wonder. Maybe soon. I can hardly wait. 😉
🤓👍 got it. Cheers J
Stop watching TH-cam? Are you serious? I have too many creators to support!
If I was creative AND I had any money to spare, maybe...
Fair enough. Cheers J
Bye
I'll miss you. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle you too, see you soon!
👨🏼🦰 *Joshua is Home Alone* 👨🏼🦰
🥽👨🏭 *Joshua is Bored* 👨🏭🥽
Mrs De Lisle [arriving home] after an especially long day at the
Shoppes, is met at the door…
👨🏼🦰Welcome home Sweetheart …notice anything different? 🤗
👩🏻 ermmm…you cleaned the gunk from under your fingernails?
👨🏼🦰 No no n…well, yes, but that’s not it!
👩🏻 I don’t know …what
👨🏼🦰 I want you to guess …look around
🙅🏻♀️ Joshua I don’t wanna guess; I’ve got groceries to put away before the 🍨 melts …just tell me
👨🏼🦰okay, Okay …you’re gonna Love It!
🤦🏻♀️ Joshua, please
👨🏼🦰 “Bevels!” 🤩
👩🏻 right …and what does “Bevels” mean?🤨
👨🏼🦰 I added Bevels
👩🏻 okaaay …bevels to WHAT, exactly?
👨🏼🦰 EVERYTHING! No more boring, squared-off edges in THIS house …aren’t they just Beautiful, Honey?😍
🤦🏻♀️ Joshua De Lisle
👨🏼🦰 Yes, my Love
👩🏻 You’re sleeping in your Workshop tonight
👨🏼🦰 are you …are you Serious
🙇🏻♀️ Ask. Me. Again.
👨🏼🦰 Woo-hoo! Imma go make me a 🛏️ …this’s gonna be Awesome!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
😂😂😂... Could be true
Try bronze metal to clad on steel in Argon atmosphere without flux.
I'll give it a try. Cheers J
I want the X tool p2 which can etch up to 8x2 foot board but the cost puts me off at £6k+ for it all.
They're sending me one soon so I'll give that a good look at and see if its worth it, let me know if there is anything specific you want to see covered? cheers J
@@joshuadelisle yes they say it will etch the inner surface of a curved item
@@1MartinWaite I'll look doing that for you then when testing. Cheers J
@@joshuadelisle thank you very much.
Awesome
Thank you. cheers J