I don't know which war SA ever won to be regarded as military power? Can you share some of their military victories. I know apartheid army lost big time in Angola, Namibia, Mozambique and Zimbabwe when they tried their shinanigans. Even apartheid army and intelligence distabilizations of independent neighboring countries failed big time ...but again Satafricans were told different propaganda stories. I mean even in local SA townships they tried and lost hence apartheid collapsed!
@@bissetnSouth Africa has the most victories on the African continent, both before and after 94, the difference now is that South Africa and its society doesn’t have the appetite for war unlike pre 94, which is why the state of the military has degraded, but that’s not to say it’s weak, in this situation, it simply was ill equipped, because they undermined, the power of this rebel group, which in their defence it is exactly just that, a rebel group, but now it has looked more and more like an organised proper military, which means someone is funding them massively, this is now a wake up call for South Africa and the SANDF, there are two options, abandoned the battlefield, and face humiliation, or finally fund it big time on the pretends of restoring face and power, to vary on this war and end it once and for all ( probably out of grudg and revenge), I personally would choose the second option
@@InamMaqondose-ny8zf I'm kinda not well versed with the wars they won pre-and-post apartheid. A country like Tanzania is known to have driven out Idi Amin's army in Uganda. Zim and others drove out Rwanda and Uganda from DRC?. What did SA do... any notable military successes?!
People should stop playing with others' lives. Those brothers are sons, brothers, fathers, care takers and above all human beings and their lives matter. Put yourselves in their place before being hypocrites
Send the Zimbabwean Army to clean up the mess left by SANDF. Such an embarrassment to SADC. That force never looked fit and people have been saying it for over a year! The ANC has been cutting the Defense budget for decades (and looting), this is the result. Those men died because of ANC incompetence in government. DA should have got the defense ministry!!
Ungumdidi womuntu. How many Zimbabwean soldiers died in Drc. Aleast South Africa is a civilized society that even divulges the numbers of the fallen whereas in that stone age country of yours numbers remained a mystery to date.
Zimbabwean army is only known for defeating pregnant women and old women, they don't know any war battles except genocides against defence less people.
Huh we’re still dealing with Mozambique issues let SANDF learn their hardest lessons. We went to Congo in the 90s and early 2000 we know M23 fighters are vicious..!! RIP to the fallen soldiers…!!🇿🇼
Don’t lie pictures showed Rwandan flag on the arms of some of the M23 fighters it’s not rocket science, Banyamulenge AFDL helped the Kabila clan into power then were betrayed General Kaberebe was a top commander of the rebellion against Mobutu he fled Kinshasa after he was told to leave DRC by the late Laurent Desire Kabila in 1998 when Zimbabwe special forces fought to save Kinshasa those Banyamulenge became RCD Goma who joined FARDC but rebelled under Laurent Nkunda who again helped Kabila under the AFDL’e march to Kinshasa, he formed the M23 , his colleague Bosco Ndtaganda’s C.N.D.P also another group supported by Rwanda born in Kiningi Rwanda!
@@njn2722she does and you don't she been in the region for years and talked with politicians So you who are nothing but a hooligan in this crisis what do you really know???
@@isaacshoko1895She analyzed n report Gaza, Mozambique, Zim elections n other foreign civil matters. She is a senior with experience in international affairs or geopolitics
South African government should have done a feasibility study before sending innocent soldiers to fight a senseless war which has been ethnilised by the DRC government , the same government that cherishes the genocidaires from Rwanda as this lovely lady has rightly observed.
South Africans always think they’re the best in Africa trust me and believe Rwanda is the best in all aspects including the knowledge of war and white flag is a white flag sadc lost and admit it
SOPHIE MOKOENA YOU ARE ONE IN A MILLION JOURNALISTS THAT IS UP TO DATE WITH YOUR REPORTING YOUR SERVICES IS HIGHLY RESPECTED VERY MUCH INFORMED, IM.PROUD OF BEING A SOUTH AFRICAN, 😊
They didn’t surrender they are still fighting, don’t follow Avery thing going over the social media , there wouldn’t be fight if FARDC had surrendered , FARDC are holding every strategic area of Goma , why African are not united , in Europe every country help Ikrain bait when it come to Africa you are claiming to bring back home your soldier , what is the meaning of African union ?
Most of the DRC army are sellouts due to Lower salaries so they end up joining rebels... Noone can be trusted.. Those minerals in Goma attract a lot of criminals and you don't trust anyone money talks
Don't tlk wat U don't now bro so urslf a favour to search the source of the matter b4 U can even comment. Why Sa soldiers are there fighting is in the name of peace making not only sa soldiers Tanzanian... Anglian Nd more so Sa never been on the grown of war for so long Nd tht y most they die
@channelkaap Once a Tanzanian politician questioned the reason the government was sending young men and women to defend Congolese territory while many Congolese were living a luxurious life across Tanzanian cities! Dancing ,singing, wearing fashionably, setting up churches and eloquently explain everything about heaven and earth.
This is the best and clear account of what is happening in Eastern DRC, thank you Sophie Mokoena, you have nailed it. Ignoring the M23 in talks will actually protract the conflict. It is high time they listen to them as they have proved to be a formidable force, it’s pointless to always focus on whoever is supporting them whilst ignoring their concerns and demands.
>>Ignoring the M23 in talks will actually protract the conflict. It is high time they listen to them Listen to them means what exactly? Giving up to any of their demands? Wjy are black SAns nt doing the same towards the white minority that controls their land?
Mama is lying for sure. The soldiers had resisted to surrender to M23 after 6 hours of intense fighting and assistance or reinforcement because they were surrounded, they surrendered to M23, that white cloth was for surrender.maman don't lie, it's not that S.Africa was patronized, it's normal to be defeated.
You know a reporter who is not at the scene, is reporting hearsay. If she was there she could have given us a clear as to how did they manage to kill 13 soldiers. If a soldier that side gave us a report, I would agree.
The truth is that since SADC forces arrived in North Kivu, it found that M23 had occupied strategic areas and it couldn't dislodge them in those areas. Each time, SAMDRC tried to fight, the effect was fatal. The final onslaught was that DRC army, FDLR&Sadc&Burundian forces found themselves surrounded by M23 inside the aiport of Goma&the only exit was through Lake kivu or Rwanda. SADC forces were instructed by M23 to salender and hand their weapons to MONUSCO&they agreed. M23 knew that they wouldn't be attacked because they had cooperated. There were special forces (commandos of DRC deployed along with FDLR (genocidal forces) who killed 1m pple in Rwanda in 1994&fled to DRC), these are strong fighters who normally assist DRC in its wars. This force was mixed with DRC special forces and itself is a special force nicknamed CRAP in french acronym. This force refused to salender to M23 even if it was sarounded. It fought hard with M23&the DRC special forces also joined them. SADC forces which had initially cooperated &agreed to salender to MONUSCO also turned their Minds and joined FDLR, Burundian forces&DRC special forces to fight M23. Actually I hear M23 was ambushed by SADC forces and many were killed when M23 did not expect that they can be attacked by SAdc forces because it had also not shot at them after they had agreed to salender. When m23 soldiers were killed inside the airport is when it knew that Sadc forces had not salendered to UN forces (lying their arms to UN force station) so that they are not attacked by m23. The combined force of SADC, FDLR, BURUNDIAN FORCES, and DRC special force attacked m23 inside the airport premises of Goma, the war went on for 8 hours of intense fighting until M23 defeated them. Some were captured alive, others hid in the thick jungles outside the airport of Goma. Analytically, FDLR&special forces of DRC were stubborn and refused to salender to m23 and SAmdrc feared to let them down as their allies&joined them in the fight because they thought they had enough weapons and salendering was an act of cowardice and being undermined by M23. FDLR, the genocidal group had nothing to lose because for them they had no option to salender to m23 as they feared that it would be repatriated to Rwanda where most of them left in 1994 and they would face justice, so they had to fight for their exit route. That is the background that led to more than 70 soldiers of south Africa soldiers dead (according to m23 insiders), even if South Africa reports only 9 or 13 soldiers. Finally they salendered to m23 after 8 hours of fighting. They had sofiscated guns, had big guns, were many but the problem is that they refused to salender to m23 yet they knew that there was no opportunity for reinforcement in case they runout of ammunition or were defeated since m23 was all-over them(sarounding them strategically&had a chance of getting reinforcement. Their exit was either to be in Rwanda or the Lake kivu where those waters were also guarded by m23 marine soldiers who would also kill them. It was a mistake for them&they contributed to their death.RIP beloved soldiers&may their families recover soon from grief. Goma city is now liberated fully by m23&I hear today a new North Kivu governor was appointed by M23.
Why does Rwanda attend peace talks if it is a Congolese problem ? Wasn’t General Kaberebe on the late Laurent Desire Kabila’s Banyamulenge led march from Goma to Kinshasa in 1997-98 with Ugandan help too? M23 can’t get surface to air missiles or sophisticated weapons from nowhere it all points to Rwanda!!!
It is involved through the SADC organ on security.lf war were to break out in your country, other SADC states would send troops to protect citizens and stabilize the security.it's an alliance
South Africa has been at ICC claiming to be against the war issues in Gaza. But they are in Eastern DRC, helping DRC forces working with Genociders who have been killing DRC Tutsis for over 25 years If you are fighting along Genociders, what information and foreign relation ideas are you sending out? You are actually supporters of Genocide
Are you trying to say that all the millions spent at the ICC to take Israel to court could have been spent on solving bigger problems on the African continent for African lives?
Why were they even sent there in the first place? Deployed in Eastern DRC to fight only one armed group defending their community threatened to be exterminated. How did such a great nation such as SA found itself in this mess instead of promoting peace among Congolese. It's very sad to see how the rainbow nation of great Nelson Mandela has become.
Is it m23 Rwandans or Congolese? Do you that thousands of Congolese are in refugee camps in Rwanda and uganda for three decades who chased by FDLR from Rwanda?
Any soldier who goes into a combat zone with the current minister of defense DON’T GO she has NO military background 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢cadre deployment BAD news 😢😢😢😢😢
Surrendering is not in our DNA, our troops are restricted, they may not go after the M23, instead they may only retaliate if they are engaged, now that gives M23 an advantage
Thank you ma, for someone like me, a young person in South Africa trying to understand whats happening abiut this situation,you explained it very well. Salute Sophie Mokoena 🫡 Salute SABC 🫡
Well say Sophia. You are among few journalists who understand well the conflict between M23 - DRC - Rwanda. Thank you for being a such journalist. Président Ramaphosa need to follow the Thabo mbeki's advice to save SA soldiers lives, and protect S.A dignity. In contrary of that, this country which has been considered as role model of all Africans freedom fighters, is going to be a supporter of génocidaires fighters. it's a shame for African hero Mandela's country
Is that possible for Congolese refugee in SA to claim to be part of SA's tribe bcoz they have been in SA for more than 60 years (Even if they go citizenship, in their ID code it will show that they are not citizen by blood) ? do you thing this can happen ? this what happen in Congo... Most of these boys are Rwandan refugee that was in DRC around 1950... and Mobutu was about to give them collective citizenship 1972 with a bill that he was about to sign or he signed and call it back when the local start protesting ... In Congo we dont have Congolese Tutsi or Hutu this is how they forced us to have such tribe by the international community, we have nilotic population as in Rwanda they have nilotic population the so call Tutsi ... unfortunately the lady is that i can see on the SABC new acting as expert but she does not know really what she is talking about
Sorry for your loss guys. But for your own information M23 is fighting for their own right and you have no idea of how many Tutsi refugees who fled their own country because of insecurities against Tutsi in eastern DRC.
Mama they surrendered and now they are in Rwanda , please don't lie , SANDF and tanzanian force already abandoned and they are now taken to safety in Gisenyi city
It looks like SA soldiers are now sitting ducks. What in it for South Africa? I am not sure that SA has to continue getting involved. How come that the two sides fighting can't compromise for the sake of DRC's people.
No. instead SA can be sued as a complicit of FDLR that has committed Genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and continue to spread hate speech and commit war crimes against humanity and other mass atrocities in East DRC
@ChaSingNatuRe-d2y The truth is that since SADC forces arrived in North Kivu, it found that M23 had occupied strategic areas and it couldn't dislodge them in those areas. Each time, SAMDRC tried to fight, the effect was fatal. The final onslaught was that DRC army, FDLR&Sadc&Burundian forces found themselves surrounded by M23 inside the aiport of Goma&the only exit was through Lake kivu or Rwanda. SADC forces were instructed by M23 to salender and hand their weapons to MONUSCO&they agreed. M23 knew that they wouldn't be attacked because they had cooperated. There were special forces (commandos of DRC deployed along with FDLR (genocidal forces) who killed 1m pple in Rwanda in 1994&fled to DRC), these are strong fighters who normally assist DRC in its wars. This force was mixed with DRC special forces and itself is a special force nicknamed CRAP in french acronym. This force refused to salender to M23 even if it was sarounded. It fought hard with M23&the DRC special forces also joined them. SADC forces which had initially cooperated &agreed to salender to MONUSCO also turned their Minds and joined FDLR, Burundian forces&DRC special forces to fight M23. Actually I hear M23 was ambushed by SADC forces and many were killed when M23 did not expect that they can be attacked by SAdc forces because it had also not shot at them after they had agreed to salender. When m23 soldiers were killed inside the airport is when it knew that Sadc forces had not salendered to UN forces (lying their arms to UN force station) so that they are not attacked by m23. The combined force of SADC, FDLR, BURUNDIAN FORCES, and DRC special force attacked m23 inside the airport premises of Goma, the war went on for 8 hours of intense fighting until M23 defeated them. Some were captured alive, others hid in the thick jungles outside the airport of Goma. Analytically, FDLR&special forces of DRC were stubborn and refused to salender to m23 and SAmdrc feared to let them down as their allies&joined them in the fight because they thought they had enough weapons and salendering was an act of cowardice and being undermined by M23. FDLR, the genocidal group had nothing to lose because for them they had no option to salender to m23 as they feared that it would be repatriated to Rwanda where most of them left in 1994 and they would face justice, so they had to fight for their exit route. That is the background that led to more than 70 soldiers of south Africa soldiers dead (according to m23 insiders), even if South Africa reports only 9 or 13 soldiers. Finally they salendered to m23 after 8 hours of fighting. They had sofiscated guns, had big guns, were many but the problem is that they refused to salender to m23 yet they knew that there was no opportunity for reinforcement in case they runout of ammunition or were defeated since m23 was all-over them(sarounding them strategically&had a chance of getting reinforcement. Their exit was either to be in Rwanda or the Lake kivu where those waters were also guarded by m23 marine soldiers who would also kill them. It was a mistake for them&they contributed to their death.RIP beloved soldiers&may their families recover soon from grief. Goma city is now liberated fully by m23&I hear today a new North Kivu governor was appointed by M23.
The white flag was raised Upon surrender for your information. The young man was in fear for his life, today i saw a congolese man carrying a head of a Rwandese, is that what you are defending, and if the M23 are that bad, how come they were welcomed by the people. To me a Government that killed 200 young boys as revenge by the Justice Minister for what happened to him is not worthy Transitioning DRC
I don't know the name of this mum, but her ideas are very insightful and can provide solutions to DRC conflicts. Ashe understands the case clearly. Let hope that top leaders, especially from DRC and its influencers, will value their citizens and help them to get peace and security.
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I really appreciate how well this mom understands the situation!!!
Amazing Lady, but where the.... is Our President's voice. 😢
I love her now.
She doesn't explain much
She explain much but what you want to here is not there @Tebz47
Its humiliating to see that such a country like SA once regarded as a military power is just being bonged down in just seconds😢
Anc
I don't know which war SA ever won to be regarded as military power? Can you share some of their military victories.
I know apartheid army lost big time in Angola, Namibia, Mozambique and Zimbabwe when they tried their shinanigans.
Even apartheid army and intelligence distabilizations of independent neighboring countries failed big time ...but again Satafricans were told different propaganda stories.
I mean even in local SA townships they tried and lost hence apartheid collapsed!
They're soldiers but they never practice war
@@bissetnSouth Africa has the most victories on the African continent, both before and after 94, the difference now is that South Africa and its society doesn’t have the appetite for war unlike pre 94, which is why the state of the military has degraded, but that’s not to say it’s weak, in this situation, it simply was ill equipped, because they undermined, the power of this rebel group, which in their defence it is exactly just that, a rebel group, but now it has looked more and more like an organised proper military, which means someone is funding them massively, this is now a wake up call for South Africa and the SANDF, there are two options, abandoned the battlefield, and face humiliation, or finally fund it big time on the pretends of restoring face and power, to vary on this war and end it once and for all ( probably out of grudg and revenge), I personally would choose the second option
@@InamMaqondose-ny8zf I'm kinda not well versed with the wars they won pre-and-post apartheid. A country like Tanzania is known to have driven out Idi Amin's army in Uganda. Zim and others drove out Rwanda and Uganda from DRC?. What did SA do... any notable military successes?!
I love this mother,understand very well the situation in Congo,I wish every body should understand that
She doesn’t know the root of the problem
Dont lie dont lie@@samedayrepair8883
She is a paid propagandist of bloodthirsty Kagame or else she is not informed about the conflict!
U are a Tutsi obvious how does she understand while corrupt by Rwanda all the way
I'm sure this mother she can be kagame second wife
😂😂😂 A white flag is a white flag, clearly indicating defeat. Stop spinning lies.
The only time a white flag is raised, is when you surrender!
She is a best liar
imagine🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She is a lie, that is why we chaised her out of our country Lesotho 🇱🇸
People should stop playing with others' lives. Those brothers are sons, brothers, fathers, care takers and above all human beings and their lives matter. Put yourselves in their place before being hypocrites
Finally, someone who really knows the reality👏👏👏.Respect
Yes
You are the best journaliste mom ❤❤
Condolences to the families.With Great Sympathy This is sad Soldiers die often every where but here it something else .
Send the Zimbabwean Army to clean up the mess left by SANDF. Such an embarrassment to SADC. That force never looked fit and people have been saying it for over a year!
The ANC has been cutting the Defense budget for decades (and looting), this is the result. Those men died because of ANC incompetence in government.
DA should have got the defense ministry!!
Ungumdidi womuntu. How many Zimbabwean soldiers died in Drc. Aleast South Africa is a civilized society that even divulges the numbers of the fallen whereas in that stone age country of yours numbers remained a mystery to date.
😮😮or zulu
Zimbabwean army is only known for defeating pregnant women and old women, they don't know any war battles except genocides against defence less people.
Shut up
Huh we’re still dealing with Mozambique issues let SANDF learn their hardest lessons. We went to Congo in the 90s and early 2000 we know M23 fighters are vicious..!! RIP to the fallen soldiers…!!🇿🇼
So if M23 are Congolese why SANDF interfering in the local matters
For our politicians to get their corrupt hands on some DRC minerals.
M23 are Tutsi Congolese who are fighting to protect their native land and minerals resources at Eastern DRC (Kivu province capital city Goma
M23 are not Congolese... that a wrong information
Don’t lie pictures showed Rwandan flag on the arms of some of the M23 fighters it’s not rocket science, Banyamulenge AFDL helped the Kabila clan into power then were betrayed General Kaberebe was a top commander of the rebellion against Mobutu he fled Kinshasa after he was told to leave DRC by the late Laurent Desire Kabila in 1998 when Zimbabwe special forces fought to save Kinshasa those Banyamulenge became RCD Goma who joined FARDC but rebelled under Laurent Nkunda who again helped Kabila under the AFDL’e march to Kinshasa, he formed the M23 , his colleague Bosco Ndtaganda’s C.N.D.P also another group supported by Rwanda born in Kiningi Rwanda!
When there is fighting there it affects us as well, and the SANDF is not there for war but for peace keeping .
Please bring back our soldiers home maan yerrrrrrr 😢
No. Soldiers will make it, I promise you
@@lawrencendikhae9982 I wonder if you'd think like that if a family member of yours was there being pounded by those rebels.
Madam mkoena is the only journalist who understands the root causes of DRC conflict. Thanks madam mkoena for your voice
No. She does not understand !
She has been to many conflict zones around Africa.she has first hand experience of geo politics on the continent
@@njn2722she does and you don't she been in the region for years and talked with politicians
So you who are nothing but a hooligan in this crisis what do you really know???
@@isaacshoko1895She analyzed n report Gaza, Mozambique, Zim elections n other foreign civil matters. She is a senior with experience in international affairs or geopolitics
South African government should have done a feasibility study before sending innocent soldiers to fight a senseless war which has been ethnilised by the DRC government , the same government that cherishes the genocidaires from Rwanda as this lovely lady has rightly observed.
The only real news that I have seen that actually made sense 🙌🏽
Rwanda has the best army on the continent trust me
Stop smoking your socks
You can say it again
😂😂😂wat a joke..
@@chriscao9828fuck around and find out bro rwanda army is forsure the best army disciplined and determined
South Africans always think they’re the best in Africa trust me and believe Rwanda is the best in all aspects including the knowledge of war and white flag is a white flag sadc lost and admit it
Great reporting by Sophie Mokoena. Salute!
Thank Mom you are the first person I heard talking sense
I love the journalist. You are a wise woman.
SOPHIE MOKOENA YOU ARE ONE IN A MILLION JOURNALISTS THAT IS UP TO DATE WITH YOUR REPORTING YOUR SERVICES IS HIGHLY RESPECTED VERY MUCH INFORMED, IM.PROUD OF BEING A SOUTH AFRICAN, 😊
Love you Mom, watching from Uganda
For the first time we received real news
This woman is a genius. He understands the situation
GENIUS????
Not sure about genius no disrespect,expert maybe, African relations is her field afterall.
Thank you mama .you understand the problems over there
she has no clue. she has always favor rwanda all the way
I deeply admire Sophie Mokoena. Salute to her and her understanding of the situation in Congo. I wish everyone could grasp it as well.
The DRC army, surrendered in Goma moss, so South Africans needs to come back home !simple you can't ask 1 to help you then decide to surrender ...🤷
DRC army didn't surrender south African military get paid more than 10 time than them that country is corrupt in higher level
i heard they ran away, some surrendered, SA should be recalled
They didn’t surrender they are still fighting, don’t follow Avery thing going over the social media , there wouldn’t be fight if FARDC had surrendered , FARDC are holding every strategic area of Goma , why African are not united , in Europe every country help Ikrain bait when it come to Africa you are claiming to bring back home your soldier , what is the meaning of African union ?
M23 does not play boss.these guys have been fighting wars for a long time and very vicious too.
I think SA is fighting on the wrong side.
No ways SA is on ryt side
@@ValerieSteward-m8i Not at all
@ValerieSteward-m8i you really have to do some research on that ...
Most of the DRC army are sellouts due to Lower salaries so they end up joining rebels... Noone can be trusted.. Those minerals in Goma attract a lot of criminals and you don't trust anyone money talks
Do you know the history?
They are fighting wrong war.
They should home with their families
DRC men are having a blast in South Africa while our brother are dying fighting in DRC.
Ja, what the heck? Most of them are 60/60 drivers for checkers
so you want to do what
Don't tlk wat U don't now bro so urslf a favour to search the source of the matter b4 U can even comment. Why Sa soldiers are there fighting is in the name of peace making not only sa soldiers Tanzanian... Anglian Nd more so Sa never been on the grown of war for so long Nd tht y most they die
@@jeanclaudebenghya3552 why don't you go home and fight for your people you coward!!
@channelkaap Once a Tanzanian politician questioned the reason the government was sending young men and women to defend Congolese territory while many Congolese were living a luxurious life across Tanzanian cities! Dancing ,singing, wearing fashionably, setting up churches and eloquently explain everything about heaven and earth.
4:56 This journalist is expectional, she knows the subject. Respectable country like SA should not fight alongside genocidaire (FDLR).
This great Woman, visionary African Sister should lead this peace process 🙏
Thank you Madam for speaking the truth that none want to talk about including international organizations .
That woman journalist is smart 💯 she understands what is going on
Thank you Madam for not taking sides ... well informed
I loved this editor she knows all root course of this fights 🙏
This is the best and clear account of what is happening in Eastern DRC, thank you Sophie Mokoena, you have nailed it. Ignoring the M23 in talks will actually protract the conflict. It is high time they listen to them as they have proved to be a formidable force, it’s pointless to always focus on whoever is supporting them whilst ignoring their concerns and demands.
What are their concerns and demands?
M23 is a group made by big guns.. KAGAME and M7 are part of that group... Check in 2012
>>Ignoring the M23 in talks will actually protract the conflict. It is high time they listen to them
Listen to them means what exactly? Giving up to any of their demands?
Wjy are black SAns nt doing the same towards the white minority that controls their land?
The problem is South Africa wants to act as big brother of Africa, where ANC has it is very incompetent and corrupt.
Finally the truth is said!!!
My question is where are those rebels getting those sophisticated weapons? Rwanda needs to be questioned!
From Congolese army everytime they fight they take their armunition. And before questioning Rwanda why Congo support FDLR Genocidaire?
From thé camp of fardc the caught
Mama is lying for sure. The soldiers had resisted to surrender to M23 after 6 hours of intense fighting and assistance or reinforcement because they were surrounded, they surrendered to M23, that white cloth was for surrender.maman don't lie, it's not that S.Africa was patronized, it's normal to be defeated.
You know a reporter who is not at the scene, is reporting hearsay. If she was there she could have given us a clear as to how did they manage to kill 13 soldiers. If a soldier that side gave us a report, I would agree.
Hahahah she is not telling the truth
I differ on a meaning of white flag...
The truth is that since SADC forces arrived in North Kivu, it found that M23 had occupied strategic areas and it couldn't dislodge them in those areas. Each time, SAMDRC tried to fight, the effect was fatal. The final onslaught was that DRC army, FDLR&Sadc&Burundian forces found themselves surrounded by M23 inside the aiport of Goma&the only exit was through Lake kivu or Rwanda. SADC forces were instructed by M23 to salender and hand their weapons to MONUSCO&they agreed. M23 knew that they wouldn't be attacked because they had cooperated. There were special forces (commandos of DRC deployed along with FDLR (genocidal forces) who killed 1m pple in Rwanda in 1994&fled to DRC), these are strong fighters who normally assist DRC in its wars. This force was mixed with DRC special forces and itself is a special force nicknamed CRAP in french acronym. This force refused to salender to M23 even if it was sarounded. It fought hard with M23&the DRC special forces also joined them. SADC forces which had initially cooperated &agreed to salender to MONUSCO also turned their Minds and joined FDLR, Burundian forces&DRC special forces to fight M23. Actually I hear M23 was ambushed by SADC forces and many were killed when M23 did not expect that they can be attacked by SAdc forces because it had also not shot at them after they had agreed to salender. When m23 soldiers were killed inside the airport is when it knew that Sadc forces had not salendered to UN forces (lying their arms to UN force station) so that they are not attacked by m23. The combined force of SADC, FDLR, BURUNDIAN FORCES, and DRC special force attacked m23 inside the airport premises of Goma, the war went on for 8 hours of intense fighting until M23 defeated them. Some were captured alive, others hid in the thick jungles outside the airport of Goma. Analytically, FDLR&special forces of DRC were stubborn and refused to salender to m23 and SAmdrc feared to let them down as their allies&joined them in the fight because they thought they had enough weapons and salendering was an act of cowardice and being undermined by M23. FDLR, the genocidal group had nothing to lose because for them they had no option to salender to m23 as they feared that it would be repatriated to Rwanda where most of them left in 1994 and they would face justice, so they had to fight for their exit route.
That is the background that led to more than 70 soldiers of south Africa soldiers dead (according to m23 insiders), even if South Africa reports only 9 or 13 soldiers. Finally they salendered to m23 after 8 hours of fighting.
They had sofiscated guns, had big guns, were many but the problem is that they refused to salender to m23 yet they knew that there was no opportunity for reinforcement in case they runout of ammunition or were defeated since m23 was all-over them(sarounding them strategically&had a chance of getting reinforcement.
Their exit was either to be in Rwanda or the Lake kivu where those waters were also guarded by m23 marine soldiers who would also kill them. It was a mistake for them&they contributed to their death.RIP beloved soldiers&may their families recover soon from grief. Goma city is now liberated fully by m23&I hear today a new North Kivu governor was appointed by M23.
Thanks for the information
M23 is a DRC problem that s why DRC goverment needs to engage in peace talks with M23 and stop blaming Rwanda
Why does Rwanda attend peace talks if it is a Congolese problem ?
Wasn’t General Kaberebe on the late Laurent Desire Kabila’s Banyamulenge led march from Goma to Kinshasa in 1997-98 with Ugandan help too? M23 can’t get surface to air missiles or sophisticated weapons from nowhere it all points to Rwanda!!!
This woman makes so much sense invite her more please.
Mama mukoena thank you very much for explaining well the problem of Congo.much respect.. ❤❤❤
Thank you mam
But why is South Africa involved. Do we as a country have any interest in the DRC?
Not the country, but certain ANC leaders.
It is involved through the SADC organ on security.lf war were to break out in your country, other SADC states would send troops to protect citizens and stabilize the security.it's an alliance
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Ausi Sophie always getting say it the way it is❤
At least there is someone who can tell the world the truth on the East DRC issue and its route causes. Be blessed Madam !
Thank you Mom ! You Said it all.
This knows very we'll what's really happening here in Goma
May the souls of fallen soldiers rest in peace 🙏
At least this madam understands and explained clearly the root cause of the situation in Congo. Thank you Madam.
South Africa has been at ICC claiming to be against the war issues in Gaza. But they are in Eastern DRC, helping DRC forces working with Genociders who have been killing DRC Tutsis for over 25 years If you are fighting along Genociders, what information and foreign relation ideas are you sending out? You are actually supporters of Genocide
Are you trying to say that all the millions spent at the ICC to take Israel to court could have been spent on solving bigger problems on the African continent for African lives?
South Africa is benefitting trade with Congo and also both South African and Congolese etc freedom fighters were hosted in Dares Salaam Tanzania
Why were they even sent there in the first place? Deployed in Eastern DRC to fight only one armed group defending their community threatened to be exterminated. How did such a great nation such as SA found itself in this mess instead of promoting peace among Congolese. It's very sad to see how the rainbow nation of great Nelson Mandela has become.
This is a invasion from Rwanda
Is it m23 Rwandans or Congolese? Do you that thousands of Congolese are in refugee camps in Rwanda and uganda for three decades who chased by FDLR from Rwanda?
@erasmusmugisha1896 They is no M23, this is the Rwandan Defence Force invading Congo, in the name of M23
Any soldier who goes into a combat zone with the current minister of defense DON’T GO she has NO military background 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢cadre deployment BAD news 😢😢😢😢😢
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Madam i appreciate your brilliance.The rest know the truth but the greed will not allow them do the right thing.
We, Rwandans, we are friendly people and do not want to hurt anyone. Let SA soldiers surrender and go back in peace. M23 is not a joke
Surrendering is not in our DNA, our troops are restricted, they may not go after the M23, instead they may only retaliate if they are engaged, now that gives M23 an advantage
Where was friendship in 1994?
If a war was to be declared , Rwandan army itself wouldn't stand against SANDF
You now accidentaly confess that you are in DRC in the name of M23! I advise you to delete the comment before bloodthirsty Kagame can see it!
Oh no you got it wrong, wait till the end and come back here and say something
Thank you ma, for someone like me, a young person in South Africa trying to understand whats happening abiut this situation,you explained it very well.
Salute Sophie Mokoena 🫡
Salute SABC 🫡
At least this lady understand the context and root cause of the problems, which Pres. Tshisekedi denied several times
Mom you are frank and sincere and I love you so much.
President Mbeki was clear about this problem. It sad no one listened!!
Thank you mama Sophie Mokoena for updating us than this Mama Egie
Thank you very much Madam for that statement ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Well say Sophia. You are among few journalists who understand well the conflict between M23 - DRC - Rwanda. Thank you for being a such journalist. Président Ramaphosa need to follow the Thabo mbeki's advice to save SA soldiers lives, and protect S.A dignity. In contrary of that, this country which has been considered as role model of all Africans freedom fighters, is going to be a supporter of génocidaires fighters. it's a shame for African hero Mandela's country
Much appreciation to this lady for her objective analysis & report!
This a contribution to peace, thank you
SANDF has to suffer as they chose the wrong side in this issue 😂😂
My family is there all is under control of the government. The protest you see in Kinshasa is against the war in east and Bukavu.
Please ANC bring back our brothers please. Is too much 💔, is unbearable 💔
And in addition of that, these forces in question have bombed rwanda
When and how?
@@RupinyAlexmultiple times since 94
Is that possible for Congolese refugee in SA to claim to be part of SA's tribe bcoz they have been in SA for more than 60 years (Even if they go citizenship, in their ID code it will show that they are not citizen by blood) ? do you thing this can happen ? this what happen in Congo... Most of these boys are Rwandan refugee that was in DRC around 1950... and Mobutu was about to give them collective citizenship 1972 with a bill that he was about to sign or he signed and call it back when the local start protesting ... In Congo we dont have Congolese Tutsi or Hutu this is how they forced us to have such tribe by the international community, we have nilotic population as in Rwanda they have nilotic population the so call Tutsi ... unfortunately the lady is that i can see on the SABC new acting as expert but she does not know really what she is talking about
Sorry for your loss guys.
But for your own information M23 is fighting for their own right and you have no idea of how many Tutsi refugees who fled their own country because of insecurities against Tutsi in eastern DRC.
Mama they surrendered and now they are in Rwanda , please don't lie , SANDF and tanzanian force already abandoned and they are now taken to safety in Gisenyi city
Are dreaming Maybe ? They lie you and you want to us?
Tell them KNC
True
True
It looks like SA soldiers are now sitting ducks. What in it for South Africa? I am not sure that SA has to continue getting involved. How come that the two sides fighting can't compromise for the sake of DRC's people.
This is a great journalism
Yesterday they were sending Missiles on our border., and now they are crying....
SANDF must deploy more soldiers to DRC by agreeing with SADC ,this is war fight back Soldiers not to be conned.
There is no war in South Africa but our soldiers are dying fighting in DRC
U a the most dumpiest local I ever met do u listen the reason they were sent for
But kagame said he doesn't know these soldiers who are fighting the Congolisim. So can getting understand this issue?
That is why I don't understand. Apparently, he doesn't know them, but why does he want a negotiation for? That is my question
Don't trust thieves😂😂😂😂..They always lie to justify their theft
She understand the true scenario on point
Our problem is Leadership in the country, Tshilombo Felix was not elected.
Well said madam, well informed. Congo issues should be solved by Congolese not foreigners. FFELIX should not shy away sit and talk to M23
Can SA govt sue M23 for Genocide and crimes against humanity?
what is genocide?
How where?
M23 is Congolese, what about SA? What reason SA are fight against M23/AFC
Rebels are not in that thing they are not regular force @@top10top54
No. instead SA can be sued as a complicit of FDLR that has committed Genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and continue to spread hate speech and commit war crimes against humanity and other mass atrocities in East DRC
No, they can't because there's no genocide or CAH.
Salute madam, true Africankind
I really appreciate you so much, I wish I could make you meet our Sister Mushiki Wabo
Well explained the real situation madam Makowena. We appreciate 👏
mama sofi you're the best and great leard you understand the situation happen in grand lac region❤
a well informed mother, journalist better than other politicians
If M23 rebels are Congolese, why is Kagame being the one representing them?
Does it make sense?
Why Government of DRC support Rwandan genocide movement of 1994?
He never represented them don't invent things here
Mom dou deserve much hearts❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
We are so used to peace and inactive military that we have forgotten that dying is part of a soldier's job description...🙄
Looks like someone truly understands and articulates the situation in Goma so well. Bravo 👏🏾 much respect 🫡
@ChaSingNatuRe-d2y The truth is that since SADC forces arrived in North Kivu, it found that M23 had occupied strategic areas and it couldn't dislodge them in those areas. Each time, SAMDRC tried to fight, the effect was fatal. The final onslaught was that DRC army, FDLR&Sadc&Burundian forces found themselves surrounded by M23 inside the aiport of Goma&the only exit was through Lake kivu or Rwanda. SADC forces were instructed by M23 to salender and hand their weapons to MONUSCO&they agreed. M23 knew that they wouldn't be attacked because they had cooperated. There were special forces (commandos of DRC deployed along with FDLR (genocidal forces) who killed 1m pple in Rwanda in 1994&fled to DRC), these are strong fighters who normally assist DRC in its wars. This force was mixed with DRC special forces and itself is a special force nicknamed CRAP in french acronym. This force refused to salender to M23 even if it was sarounded. It fought hard with M23&the DRC special forces also joined them. SADC forces which had initially cooperated &agreed to salender to MONUSCO also turned their Minds and joined FDLR, Burundian forces&DRC special forces to fight M23. Actually I hear M23 was ambushed by SADC forces and many were killed when M23 did not expect that they can be attacked by SAdc forces because it had also not shot at them after they had agreed to salender. When m23 soldiers were killed inside the airport is when it knew that Sadc forces had not salendered to UN forces (lying their arms to UN force station) so that they are not attacked by m23. The combined force of SADC, FDLR, BURUNDIAN FORCES, and DRC special force attacked m23 inside the airport premises of Goma, the war went on for 8 hours of intense fighting until M23 defeated them. Some were captured alive, others hid in the thick jungles outside the airport of Goma. Analytically, FDLR&special forces of DRC were stubborn and refused to salender to m23 and SAmdrc feared to let them down as their allies&joined them in the fight because they thought they had enough weapons and salendering was an act of cowardice and being undermined by M23. FDLR, the genocidal group had nothing to lose because for them they had no option to salender to m23 as they feared that it would be repatriated to Rwanda where most of them left in 1994 and they would face justice, so they had to fight for their exit route.
That is the background that led to more than 70 soldiers of south Africa soldiers dead (according to m23 insiders), even if South Africa reports only 9 or 13 soldiers. Finally they salendered to m23 after 8 hours of fighting.
They had sofiscated guns, had big guns, were many but the problem is that they refused to salender to m23 yet they knew that there was no opportunity for reinforcement in case they runout of ammunition or were defeated since m23 was all-over them(sarounding them strategically&had a chance of getting reinforcement.
Their exit was either to be in Rwanda or the Lake kivu where those waters were also guarded by m23 marine soldiers who would also kill them. It was a mistake for them&they contributed to their death.RIP beloved soldiers&may their families recover soon from grief. Goma city is now liberated fully by m23&I hear today a new North Kivu governor was appointed by M23.
Condolences South Africans and SADC
9:08 You can't keep M23 rebels out of peaceful negotiation and expect peace.
So Rwanda and Kagame are flexing muscles.
Rwanda is small but very powerful militarily.
They are backed up by European countries
@@tony.smoove then why are the same europeans and their media against Rwanda
Stop acting here man this propaganda went so long then leave it
Thanks my dear mama for the nice news🎉
This is deliberate killings of our brothers by not giving or deploying them with little equipments
Be blessed Sophie👏👏👏👏👌👌👌👍👍👍
Very insightful
Thank you Sofe well explained. May The Soldiers that has fallen Rest In Peace. It's sad.
just call back our soldiers in Congo because they are dying and CONGO must learn to fight for themselves
Relax SANDF has got this. Maybe you should ask how many we have dropped
The white flag was raised Upon surrender for your information. The young man was in fear for his life, today i saw a congolese man carrying a head of a Rwandese, is that what you are defending, and if the M23 are that bad, how come they were welcomed by the people. To me a Government that killed 200 young boys as revenge by the Justice Minister for what happened to him is not worthy Transitioning DRC
I don't know the name of this mum, but her ideas are very insightful and can provide solutions to DRC conflicts. Ashe understands the case clearly. Let hope that top leaders, especially from DRC and its influencers, will value their citizens and help them to get peace and security.
Of courses the SA is fighting on the wrong side.
You need a place in UNSC to explain to these arrogant imperialistes... Ramaphosa need you to understand more
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