The gap exists and it is large. It also doesn’t help when the promoted clubs players are bought by larger clubs, or their managers get hired elsewhere.
@@VizehI've been hearing this narrative a lot today but I disagree. The majority of teams in the league are teams that have been promoted in the last 10 years. There is a constant rotation of prem teams. The fact that every once in a while all the promoted teams go back down doesn't change this fact.
@@VizehExamine the table and you'll see what I mean. Apart from Everton and the big six every other team has been promoted after Man United's last title. Remove crystal palace and they're all promoted after Chelsea's last title. Yes when you look at one or two seasons you can conclude that it's hard for a promoted team to stay up but long term, it's hard for anyone but the big six to stay. Even everton has flirted with relegation, and they've never been relegated.
Burnley is good than the championship when it comes to the Premier League they are always fighting to go back down. That’s just what happens. It’s called money.
The gap between the Premier League and Championship is obviously very large, but I’d also argue that the gap between Championship clubs in receipt of parachute payments and those without them is getting even bigger, creating a sort of a football purgatory that makes both the Prem and the Championship far less interesting. Basically, clubs like Southampton, Burnley, Sheffield United and even Leicester City just can’t survive in the Premier League but are way too good for the Championship thanks to parachute payments.
Leicester was a top half club in recent years and all of the sudden they went down and now are stuck which is the hard part of going down now a days, relegated clubs have to start all over again but due to parachute payments they’re likely to go up again but down again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wolves or Everton went down they would easily go up almost on record points but be stuck in another relegation battle once back in the PL or Leeds next season being in a relegation battle it’s almost guaranteed
Tbf the revenue you get from being in the Championship and being in the Prem is completely different. Many clubs need those payments as their wage structures simply wouldn't work in the Championship and a couple of months is not enough to fix it
The gap will get wider and wider as these seasons go on. Ipswich fan here, we've spent a very decent amount of cash in the summer when we got promoted last season, however we still have a substantial amount of L1/Champ players playing Premier League football. Not also forgetting PSR rules, which means essentially promoted teams have less money to spend once they do get promoted!
other teams manage to cope. Forest, Bournemouth as mentioned in this video are still up due to good business and scouting. just to name an example, murillo from forest. i think this is, in my opinion, the most important factor to staying up so saying you have spent loads of cash is irrelevant when you buy garbage players.
It seems like every year, there is at least a couple of clubs fielding a glorified division two team. Reckon the Prem should be downsized to 18 clubs as is the case in Germany.
@@alarky1142 in 5 years forest has a NetSpend larger than negative 200m. That is a gamble many can't take. They had a ban incoming and bought a load of players didn't they? I think it is larger than Bayern in negatives.
I reckon it might be the hardest league anywhere for a promoted club to say up. I don't think the lower half of the other major European leagues are anywhere near as strong as the lower half of the Prem, including Spain & Italy.
The issue is that the teams like forest, Brentford and Bournemouth were lucky enough to stay up and allow their long term plans to come into effect. Meanwhile leeds tried that and our team looks so different now to what it was both under bielsa, and when we got relegated, because our plans didn't work at first either, but because the players didn't want to play in the championship, they left, while players like Hudson odoi, mbuemo, and solanke stayed at their respective clubs because they got to keep playing in the prem and improve their skills.
I'm biased but Brentford was anything but luck - they're my local and watched them since the League 2 days. Their club culture & philosophy is great and their transfer committee is based on data probably more than any English club bar Liverpool. They deserve to be where they are and they deserve credit for it, because Brentford should not be anywhere near the Prem realistically.
@mokkaveli and that is why I dont think the gap is 'too big'. We've seen Ipswich, Forest, Luton, Brentford all come up in more recent years when they hadn't benefited from parachute payments. It is possible, and there are multiple ways to achieve it. Brentford set the standard imo
One of the biggest problems is the loan system. A Championship club gets two or three decent players on loan who then become a major factor in that club getting promoted, and then go back to their parent clubs leaving the promoted club to face teams of higher quality without their most influential players.
the gap between prem and championship is pretty easy to explain. Most of the PL is inflated enormously by the infinite money glitch that they buy most of their teams from other nations. But in the championship and below it becomes apparent that England as a nation is a little subpar in developing their own players. Compare this to other leagues: Spain has teams that are promoted that can establish themselves and often times you have some old teams kicking the bucket and getting relegated. The money of spanish teams falls way off after the top 5, but Spain has some excellent wider pool of players. Germany probably has the least money in the lower half of the table of the top leagues, making it always exciting along with good youth player development.
Name a more talented squad than England, all players developed there. And the infinite money glitch is long gone. Newcastle have more money than most countries and they're gonna have to sell more than they buy.
I think Forest Bournemouth and Fulham would disagree with what you are saying. Burnley don't survive because your transfer business is absolutely diabolical if you get got players in then you will survive. You never strengthen your squad properly
For Forrest though it really did help that you guys had Marinakis an absolute mountain of wealth that he is that he was able to spend hundreds of millions in a short space of time. Burnley don’t have that kind of money though. Forrest have spent 400 Million in 2 years since being promoted. How many clubs that get promoted have that spending power? Very very very few do and the difference shows Forrest have done incredible but it is definitely helped the fact they have so so much money to spend since being in the Prem. There is undoubtedly a massive, massive gap between championship and prem its no surprise that in past couple years the 3 that have come up have gone straight back down, due to money, and a lot of other factors. Let’s be real the three that come up this year are probably gonna go straight back down next season as well I see this trend continuing for a while
This is a ridiculous statement coming from a forest fan. What you were able to spend after going up is insane and not realistic for most other teams in the same situation
@@jorgeandrade783 You’re not wrong about the investment, but it’s misleading to say the owner pumped £400m into our squad. So much of that was wasted and a significant chunk have been players to support Marinakis’ other clubs, Olympiacos and Rio Ave, without ever playing/not having any impact for Forest. Players bought in that time that didn’t affect us staying up: Kanuric, Aguilera, Bowler, Hwang, Badé, Ayew, Scarpa, Lingard, Shelvey, Richards, O’Brien, Biancone, Dennis, Reyna, Santos, Ribeiro, Carmo & Stamenić.
I miss the excitement of seeing a newly promoted team do surprisingly well in their first season back in the prem, like how wolves got 7th or sth, but it seems that is basically impossible nowadays, with the only realistic way of surviving being miraculously narrowly avoiding relegation in the first season back. But that didn't happen last season, probably won't this season, or the next season either. Sucks.
Worth noting that 2 recent success stories -- Brentford and Nottingham Forest -- have owners who also own(ed) Champions League-level clubs in smaller European countries. So these owners maybe had more of an idea how to build a team in a league with less revenue.
Crystal Palace been there for 12 consecutive seasons now, less money & thus more PSR friendly, but we flirt with both relegation and Europe in recent years 🤣 Vizeh just likes to have a moan.
The gap is absolutely huge, ever since the old division one was rebranded to The Championship, the financial gulf between the two leagues has grown bigger and bigger with every season that's passed since then. Look at the huge parachute payments relegated teams get, it basically just negates their finances giving those clubs a massive advantage at being promoted again. Another big thing that's not talked about enough in England is the insane levels of debt English clubs tend to operate under.
I mean sometimes they just shoot themselves in the foot look what happened to Stoke. Also double relegations like Sunderland and Huddersfield aren’t that rare
Forest got lucky last season with who they were up against and had previously took risks to build a team, the first year the recruitment was absolute scatter gun! The manager has had time to recruit in a more targeted fashion to make what they had work. It's those first two seasons that are the issue.
The quality gap between the divisions is big, but there are things the promoted clubs can do to help themselves. You need to have insane recruitment to consistently stay up IMO. When managers get the team promoted. Most of them never change or adapt. They try and play the same way as they did in the Championship in the Prem and if you look at Southampton, well yeah. Ipswich is the same In past seasons, teams could and would stay up by grinding points out, focusing on their home form, being hard to beat, and scrapping goals. Now, it seems you have to play good football and also need to play out from the back. I have seen so many goals conceded from Southampton and Ipswich this season trying to play out from the back. Doing that in the Prem when you don't have the players for it will lead you into a hammering. As boring as it sounds. The best thing to do for a promoted club would be to park the bus and hit on the break all season. However, then the whole team would be playing a completely different style of play but it would be the best thing to do to give them a chance at staying up. It would not be fun to watch but it would be better than getting beat 4 or 5 nil every week.
I think also people might have to realise that someone has to get booted at some point, you can do everything in the world, but if the competition is that competitive then you can only do your best. Although most teams that don't really change their tactics from what worked in the championship. Probably the same issue for teams going from league one to the championship.
As a Leeds fan, I agree. I remember back in 2020 when we got promoted, me and most people believed leeds would get mid-table. Now if we got promoted, we would be the top 5 favourites to get relegated, because there's nothing truly special anymore. Managers like bielsa were able to do extraordinary things cause they were extraordinary people, look at Thomas frank. Now the managers coming up are all similar. Farke for example relies on individual brilliance, and not his own tactics like bielsa could.
Last year was only the second time in the PL that all teams promoted got relegated again. However, the year before all 3 promoted teams survived. The average survival rate is around 50-60% for promoted teams, but I think only a third survive more than 3 seasons. I dont have info on how these stats have changed over time, but i can only imagine they've gotten worse as wealth disparity between teams and leagues increase.
As a Leeds fan I’m excited about the prem next year. But maybe that’s because we’ve experienced coming 9th in our first season. We will easily get proper investment and the owners have plans for a stadium expansion once we’re promoted. Maybe I’m being optimistic but next year will be our year.
But some of our fans already have concerns about Farke and how he won't keep us up. I like the guy a lot and want him to do really well for us (as he has been already) but even for Bielsa the Premier League turned out to be a very tough gig in the end. I've enjoyed this season and last a lot more than our last two in the Premier League which were mostly just depressing.
@ Well let’s see how farke performs after being financially backed in the prem and only then can we judge whether he’s the right man for the job, which I hope he is.
As a Watford fan, I almost don’t hope that we go up this year. Cleverly has been a fantastic manager, and I don’t really want to see my team loose week in week out, compared to the hope that every game, we stand a good chance of winning. Just my two cents on this issue
As a southampton fan, I have hated the prem this season, for an array of reasons mostly the refereing. But the sheer gap between championship and prem is unsurvivable
That’s just not true though, Forest, Bournemouth, Brentford a few years ago. If you have a sustainable and well run business model you can absolutely stay in the league regularly. It’s not easy, but it shouldn’t be. The gap is a thing and I wouldn’t mind it closing some but it’s not insurmountable
To be fair mate , you were the 4th best team in the Championship last season ... You didn't set the championship alight and ya played Leeds in the final and they always bottle finals and the play offs .. You were always going back down
No the gap between your team and the prem standard is unsurvivable. Other recently promoted teams are doing just fine. Southampton wasted too much time on Ange-lite and sub-par recruitment.
The teams that come up have 0 ambition to stay up (the owners, not the players or fans). When forest came up we spent to stay up and it has worked wonders (despite weird PSR stuff with the Johnson sale), bournemouth and fulham the same. Sick of seeing fans of Burnley, Sheffield united, and so many more complaining that the gap is MASSIVE, it's there sure... but staying up is possible, they should be complaining about the subpar owners that lack the ambition, which i'm sure some fans do. Here's a few ideas, stop selling your best players in the first season back, recruit some players who are in the german league mid range (like forest did with awoniyi), get in a good loan or two and survive the first season. Then sell those big name players for profit and scout to replace them and upgrade weak positions. The only exception to this rule is Ipswich/Luton, they did a miracle by getting promotions, but because of that they have a mid tier championship squad and didn't have time to invest properly. Teams that are consistently Yo-Yo'ing have no excuse... the money is there but it's not being spent well. Forest got milenkovic for 13 million, elanga for about 12 million, Ola Aina for free, MGW for 40 million (a staple signing). It's not impossible, the owners have to have an ambition. Forests owner said years ago that he will get us to the prem, and then invest HEAVILY into getting us into European football.
So not spending 200m =not ambitious? Most teams can’t do that & it’s not like Forest even stayed up convincingly. You were 1 or 2 results from being f*cked. It’s not right to need to spent that amount simply to scrape survival
The first thing that needs to happen is that the promoted clubs have to move straight to a full FFP spending allowance. The class of 21/22 proved that if you can survive a couple of seasons and get to that point of being on a level financial playing field then you can compete. Unfortunately at the moment you have to have 2 years of a reduced spending cap before you can spend the same as the others. It’s a con and Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest only just survived to be able to compete this season.
Honestly, I think style of play is very important. Attacking style teams come up and just can't re-produce it to the surprise of absolutely nobody. I think it's always going to be a case by case basis. Luton & Sheffield United were more defensive teams, Luton didn't have the finances or the quality, and Sheffield United had a crisis with contracts and really poor recruitment strategy, like selling Berge to us for a reasonable fee. Personally think we'd have stayed up if we actually had a competent manager, it went downhill the moment a league one keeper was starting for us, like how stupid can you be ? Personally, if Parker gets us up, I think he'll keep us up. Especially with the potential of this being the best defence in second tier history
My opinion is yes the gap is growing due to financial issues, but also tactical naivety, examples being Martin at Southampton getting it so wrong, then you have McKenna who had Ipswich going head to head with established teams and have been unlucky
You can’t say the prem has no promise for championship teams when, Nottingham forest, Bournemouth and Fulham are top half of the table teams. It’s possible to break through the insta drop, it’s just hard like it deserves to be.
They got promoted a few years ago when it was easier plus Fulham & Bmouth had prem players already from recently being in the prem. Forest spent 200m & risked serious financial ruin just to scrape survival. It’s not comparable
@snarf2400 Newcastle and villa should never have been in the championship, you've instantly ruined your credibility and now cannot be taken seriously, well done
@ Yh well they have been, recently, now what. And oh no, my precious credibility! 🤣 first “stay in your lane” now “credibility”, your anger is weird lad. Try to calm down, it’s just footy. If anyone were taking you srsly right now we’d have nothing better to worry abt
As a Bournemouth season ticket holder for 20 years 🍒🍒 I feel very very spoilt that I get to watch Premier League football so close to my front door and part of a very exclusive 6500 group of season ticket holders! It’s a honour to be part of the best league in the world! If someone would have told me 20 years ago that my cherries would be fighting for Europe I’d think you were playing LMA Manager on the PS2 with cheat codes 😂😂
As a blades fan, I completely agree. I like that we’re not losing 5-0 every match now, but I really can’t go through another season like 23/24. It’s impossible to do anything against teams like Man City who have been overspending for decades and are now unbeatable.
As an Ipswich fan, I think we're doing OK tbf, just hope they look back on why we've conceded goals and rectify it in the new year. The reason we've lost most of our games and drawn alot is because of ourselves and our own fuck ups, We've only been outplayed and excluded from the game 4 times in 18 games. That's alot less then I thought. The other 12 games we've been competitive in and could have got something from it. Look at arsenal away, was only 1-0 and arsenal let us in the game 2nd half but we just never got the ball in the box wasted time passing at the back I know we can stay up we just need to be direct going forward and quick to react at the back, like we was in the championship and League 1
The gap is massive imo. But I think the only way you can really make yourself a mainstay in the Prem from the championship is to be a yoyo club for a few years so that you can get parachute payments, hopefully invest that money into key areas of the squad and put yourself in a position where you won't get relegated again. Thinking of fulham... they invested in several players that kept them from getting relegated. Palhinha, Leno, Pereira, and willian all came in the same year and were good building blocks that allowed fulham time to build out the rest of their squad. That is pretty much the only way to make yourself stay up.
Class of 2022 doing okay :) But I get the feeling, being a team battling promotion (or expecting to) is not fun. But it's a necessary evil if (IF) you can do a Brighton etc.
Its true, most club recent years who went up and actually stayed proved there worth is Brentford. Every other club the get promoted struggles for survival and then mostly get relegated. Its a shame. Cheers Vizeh, and also Burnley got a great Defender (Sonne) signing. - From A Peruvian fan.
I get why you're feeling this way, the PL is too volatile and a newly promoted team needs to spend tons of money to have 40+ players like Chelsea to stay up and that's not even a guarantee! it became a lot like international conglomerates competing with mom and pop shops, how will things go from that stage? we'll see
Considering that other top leagues around Europe like the Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga are concerned about the gap between the Premier League and them, the gap between the Premier League and Championship must be a chasm. I've seen a few Leeds games this season and there's been some games it doesn't even look fair, like Leeds have absolutely shredded some teams this season. Yet stick them in the Prem with this team they'd have no chance. In essence if you get to a certain level in the championship then you'll get promoted, but that level is still no where near the Premier League.
Pretty sure italy and Germany have ranked above England in Uefa league rankings last 2 years…… ( financially EPL is King , but there’s not really a gap .
@@connieartist1907 Depends ,i would say the first 6 teams are competitive ,but if we go down to top 10 or top 15 ,the prem has way better teams / 5x the spending power .
To become a PL club these days, you need a plan in place. Like, if we take Leeds as example right now. Leeds 100% will go big if they go up. Red Bull will want the money in the PL, and will spend and spend.
I think it’s very much this obsession to play attacking football which is causing promoted teams to do so poor. Too many clubs try to run before they can walk
@ u can’t have 7 major trophies, have a social media follower/subscriber count which is less than clubs like Leicester, Brighton but have a similar total to clubs like Bournemouth and be considered big😂 plus not to mention Leeds have been mostly bouncing from championship to league one past 20 years they’re not a small club coz they do have abit of history behind them plus have a good average attendance but deffo not big. Big clubs are clubs like United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Villa, Everton etc etc
@liamjohnson4221 who is and isn't a big club is one of the dumbest arguments in all of football. Means nothing now that money talks more than anything else
I mean, tbh I don't really want to hear this from a Burnley fan. The reason your club went down is that you let it be used as an advert for a managers tactics.. even my blind uncle could see what the results of the games were going to be playing that style of football with the players you had. If you want to blame something, blame the terrible decisions your club made.
There's a combination of not spending wisely or using the same aging players in a squad. But you could argue for Forest, yes it was silly how many players they had during the last two seasons, they had to so they could survive a season or two. Only thing now for Forest is that some bigger team will come after Wood, they'll struggle to keep hold of him. The thing is with the other promoted sides, like Southampton and Ipswich Town. Yes they have previous experience in the prem, but they need to adapt their style as playing like a top championship side in the prem usually gets you eaten alive. But then that goes back to money and player skills. It's an odd spiral that just keeps going around for promoted/just above relegation clubs.
Well....in 1987-just 27 years after winning the League Title, Burnley not only HAD to win their last 4th Division game v Orient to have a chance of staying in the Football League, they also had to PRAY that Torquay and/or Lincoln lost/dropped points-it WASN'T entirely in their own hands. So I guess yo yoing between the top two divisions isn't that much of a stress compared to that dark dark time 37 years ago
The problem now is that teams like Bournemouth are able to spend 40m on a striker from Porto, ultimately these players make the difference. Teams like West Ham are streets ahead of the promoted teams with players like Kudus, Carlos Soler, Lucas Paqueta, Todibo, Edson Alvarez etc. Brentford and Brighton are able to splash 30 to 40m now on players. Whereas the newly promoted teams are too good for the championship but not able to amass more than 30 points in the prem. They have signed players who will perform well in the championship (Cameron Archer, Brereton Diaz, Mateus Fernandes) and probably will come straight back up, quite boring tbh.
Let's start from the START HOW about all the teams have same purse in the League and Players r auctioned ? Ex-Like Make ur Team in € 1 Billion Every Team has to build their team from the start This will make the league more competitive + all Balanced teams + No superpower teams
wont work as every leauge has to adhere to that and it honestly wont make them money and they cant give out 1 bil to 20 teams in the prem, let alone the leauges below
Multiple years in a row of the 3 promoted teams getting relegated is going to make the gap between leagues massive. It is great for the premier league because you will see the competition from 5th to maybe 14th get really strong and more entertaining as the teams are all established. Somewhat seeing that this year. The closed shop super league is kind of forming itself.
I think the problems this season are that Leicester did not do good enough business in the transfer window and still rely on a 37 (almost 38) year old to score their goals. Ipswich was in League One two seasons ago and still need to go down and back up again to survive as well as bring in the right players. And Southampton, Russel Martin...
I checked out of curiosity and to show how bad it was that all 3 teams got relegated last season. That was the only time in the last 15 years (I did not check further) that all top 3 promoted clubs were immediately relegated in the top 5 leagues.
As an American, this is why I've never cared for the MLS adopting pro/rel. Our league is improving every year and because we have playoffs our league stays competitive. Because it's competitive it doesn't become repetitive (stale) for the fans. If the PL had playoffs, you could potentially have had Bournemouth winning the league this year. Which in turn would give hope to everyone that their team can do it too.
As a Norwich fan, the idea of going up to the Premier League is grim like last season playoffs. It would’ve been nice to win but like don’t really care as Prem is awful.
As a Brentford fan I have mixed feelings about the gap. If something could be done about it we would be one of the clubs who would be at risk of dropping. However, I would like to see some change in the league year to year assuming we stayed in it.
As a Leeds fan, I have the same line of thought. To think if we go up we have to basically have to get an entirely new squad along with a new manager. Farke has previously shown he’s nowhere near good enouh for the Prem. It sounds like a way too daunting task which I’m not sure our board would be able to fulfill
This conversation about "the gap's getting bigger" is boring af & not even accurate. People have been saying this for at least 25 years now (unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember) & yet it stills remains the same. It's just a meme at this point. Sure, all 3 promoted clubs got relegated last year, but that's incredibly rare. Are we forgetting that the year before all 3 stayed up & 2 of them weren't even truly part of the relegation battle? Did the gap suddenly shrink for a year before immediately becoming wider than it's ever been? What nonsense. It's normal for promoted clubs to be in relegation battles & for 1 or 2 to go down. What are people expecting? European football in their first season? You know what's also normal? For 1 or 2 to stay up & then perhaps go on to establish themselves in the league for a sustained period. Sure, the gap is big, but there's no long-term evidence to say it is getting bigger. It's the same way it's always been since the inception of the PL.
American here. Promotion and relegation are the most amazing things. We do not have that over here. It in any sport and we love our sports. To my UK brothers, I would just say cherish your promotion because it makes such a massive difference to the health of a sport and the entertainment factor.
As a Watford fan, I agree with you 100%. I don't see any potential club who could stay up if promoted. Hope that this changes soon, so there is more hope for Championship sides.
I think there is a bit of a gap, but look at the recruitment done by the teams that just came up. None of them really went for it and just bought some of the best championship players to prepare for the following season in the champo.
For me, its a few things of why i also feel this way. 1st of all its that going up a league for a team that is honestly mid like my team being pompy, they just cant survive or fight clearly far bigger and better teams when half of the pompy team arnt that good. Theres 1 or 2 outliars within the team that hold it together and manage to get the wins and the rest arnt good enough to keep up to them. The 2nd problem for me is constantly switching managers for multiple clubs and being bought out by say, america aka like wrexham was. Tons of money can be invested and the best players can easily be bought while those near the bottom who dont have much money to spend, can only spend or save it on 1 good player who may just end up leaving next season anyway. My home town team being havant and waterlooville fc are doing far better 2 leagues down than pompey has done all season at this point in time. Pompey at this point will go down to league 2 while my home town will go up to league 2 meaning my city team will eventually play my town team at this rate. Lastly i just feel like being able to buy players who dont originally live in a certain town and city of the football team basically just outlies the point to see what town and city team are the best. The fact that man u could buy ronaldo for example i just think is wrong and breaks the whole concept of even bothering to have town names and city names for football teams to exist when most of the players arnt from those towns and cities.
There needs to be an additional 10-20m bonus (ontop of whatever they already get) for anyone that gets promoted to help them survive their 1st year. At the very least you should be excited to get that bonus money to improve your squad so if you get relegated you will be even better going back down.
Brighton Bournemouth and Brentford do not have big stadiums or crowds but they are better run than the big 6 teams and so they survive in the Premier league. They do not exceed their budgets in terms of transfers fees or wages paid to players. Everton are an easy example to point too as they often overpaid for players competing for the same starting position who the failed to produce what was expected of them on the pitch as they were always in a rush to get back to where they had been rather build up slowly and carefully one brick at a time.
The difference is teams that do stay up, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc all have a well run club. They have an identity, values, and they know what they want. They sign the right players, that fit the system they want to play without overspending. Then there are teams like Sheffield United who came up with no idea what they wanted long term, it's just right lets do what we can to survive.. Spending massive amounts of money on players that just bloat the squad and not necessarily fitting the system.
As a Leeds fan I feel the exact same way. Maybe it’s because for the last two seasons in the prem we got trounced most weeks and there was no plan at all. I’ve experienced mediocrity in the champ and I know if we don’t go up that’s the other prospect but as Gary Neville said ‘it’s like picking between to blokes to nick your wife’. Right now we are in a situation where we have a squad and manager that are championship winning quality but I think that’s their peak as a squad and as a manager. We will need a hell of a summer to stay up and even then I think Farke will struggle. It could be a lot worse than having this predicament though so I’m not going to complain since I enjoy watching us play and watching players like Tanaka who is way too good for the championship and Rutter, Summerville and Gray last year.
I think issue with teams that find themselves in the promotion then relegation cycle is that teams need to adapt, but it’s almost impossible for these teams as there manger will get poached or there top players. A great example of a promoted team doing this is Brentford. Thomas frank hadn’t been poached by a top 8 team and they haven’t sold there top players. Whilst you see teams come up and their manger gets poached and they cash out there best players to financially support the club if they get relegated or need to sign more average bottom league PL players
Theirs a massive gap between the prem and championship u can factor in the wages just dont attract players, the pool of coaches is pretty poor, and 99% of championship clubs just dont have the money and investment that prem teams have. To stay in the prem you have to grind for 2 to 3 years if you slip up or get your manager wrong then your done...its brutal
Youre a yo-yo club, always have been. Burnley, Norwich, yo-yo clubs. You have spells, sure, but for the most part its up and down. I dont think theres a fix for it without new rules set in place for the poaching of newly promoted players. As a Hull fan I wouldn't mind being in the Prem every other season aha
I agree with more or less everything said here. However, I think proper management and long-term planning is the antidote. Obviously, it's easier said than done, and scouting and youth development plays a massive part, but the management of English clubs leaves a lot to be desired. I could see a world where Championship clubs get promoted, basically refuse to spend money, and keep it for the next year (assuming they go down) to invest in players that are going to help carry them to a promotion, and a better showing in the Prem the year after. Obviously, hypotheticals aren't always going to work, but I really think the management of these clubs is horrible when it comes to a 5-10 year plan.
It’s not an insurmountable gap. The problem is too many championship teams come up and maintain too much of their championship squad. The most important thing in the premier league is recruitment, Brentford and Brighton invest smart in their scouting and take risks on foreign leagues (Brighton do great out of South America). Forest spent loads but did get highly quality players and have a plus batting average. Teams like Burnley and Norwich will always yo-yo for this reason.
Iam watching football, and many leagues too. Championship, even League One. What stands out for me is the quality of the players. There is a huge gap, and the way how the games played. I mean just go watch a Premier League team and then go watch a Championship game and then go watch a League One game. You will feel the difference instantly. At first all 3 looks like a normal football match. But if you keep attanetion into every detail, you will see HUGE difference. Its just never easy for a newly promoted team to do well at first. New league, new opponents(much harder opponents) and the gap between lets say Liverpool vs Leeds is nuts. Just look at the squad overall value and the style of play. For a newly promoted side, in my opinion the 1st season should be about survining. Get away from the relegation zone. If they manage to do that, their revenue or how to say, the club income will increase of course because its a higher leage, so they can invest more on the players in the summer, in the club, the training etc. You know what i mean. I think Ipswich is a side, which will survive and will stay up in the Premier League. I love watching them. You can see they are absolutely trying to improve. Thats not the case with Southampton. For Leicester it is a 50-50. They just got a new coach, a brand new style of play. We will see how it goes, but the team iam mostly watching now is Ipswich. They are really really good side. I love how they play and how they trying to handle the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Tottenham etc.
Leeds fan here. Been through it in the prem, the fun of promotion ends when the fixtures are released and you go from 20+ wins a season to begging for 8 wins. The refs are awful, the atmosphere is awful, VAR is awful. Stinker of a league I hate it and everything it stands for.
Promotion is an opportunity not a reward. Key to staying up is to strengthen your defense. Not conceding goals is the first way you collect points in the Premier League because errors in your own half are punished by your opponents far more often than in the Championship. Leicester, Ipswich, and soon are just leaking goals and you do not stay up like that..
The major thing is that IF, and it's a big IF... you can survive your first season in the PL, you should realistically be able to stay in because that additional cash remains in your pockets... However in today's league it is SO SO DIFFICULT to stay in because the available cash in a top-table club vs a Championship club is so so vast...
This is very sad. I think that the "injury crisis" that many teams are suffering is something bigger, that kind of sh*t is usual in the NFL (but they use substances to keep playing), i mean football is NFLzing and that is veeeery bad
It's great getting promoted. But as an ipswich fan, i know realistically we aren't going to be able to compete with most teams. 20 years ago you have a chance against most teams and even the top teams were not as strong. Now you really see the difference between the championship and the premier league. I am glad to see forest doing well, But even than they have been injected with a lot of money. Breaking FFP the fact that last season them and everton both got deducted points and it still wasn't close. This season us and southampton are both very likely to go down with 20 or less points. You will see just the same group of teams going up and down. Which than also makes the championship less exciting
As a Leeds fan I'm really enjoying this season, we've been brilliant on the whole, but I wonder what I want more - the idea of achieving something (ie getting promoted and potentially winning the Champipnship) or being back in the Premier League? I think the former really. Last time up a lot of us learned the hard way that it's really not that good of a league, and a shadow of what it used to be.
You only need one: You just have to hit a jackpot when it comes to pick the manager. Brentford have Thomas Frank, Fulham have Marco Silva, Nottingham Forest have Nuno.
I think PSR needs to be, at a minimum, reformed to allow newly promoted teams to spend more. And the cutoff date needs to coincide with the end of the transfer window, not the end of June. What happened to Forest shows how stupid PSR has become. But I think Forest also show how the gap is not insurmountable.
Brentford had a squad that was ready to be promoted, they had young players like Mbuemo, Toney, Norgaard, Pinnock, Jensen, who were all ready for Premier League football and have gone on to be a massive factor as to why they've stayed up and then thrived. Yes they didn't spend a lot of money, but they are definitely an outlier to the rest of the Championship.
Would expanding the Premier League to 24 Teams solve this particular issue? Because doing that would mean that more clubs would stick around in the PL and thus obtain more financial sustainability. I also believe that the current FFP/PSR rules should be replaced with rules based around how much debt a club could have. Especially when such rules unfairly punish newly promoted clubs.
The most competitive season in years - the premier league doesn’t have a problem. It is difficult for a team to survive the first year but teams like Burnley and Saints with Russell had ridiculous tactics and teams like Sheffield utd and Leicester had weaker teams in the PL than in the championship. Ipswich could become the next team to stay up maybe after their next promotion if they keep McKenna
Vizeh looks like Random English 49 Rated LB in Championship
No
I’ll take that
@@Vizehyou did play for Burnley. You’re basically a professional footballer.
2nd season regen
Plays cb/lwb/lm with 82 balance
The gap exists and it is large. It also doesn’t help when the promoted clubs players are bought by larger clubs, or their managers get hired elsewhere.
Sheff Utd was finished before they even started
Or when teams get promoted because some of their key players are loans from the big clubs.
Southampton has this problem everytime they get a good team together, rebuild every 5 years when the starting 11 gets plucked off
@@VizehI've been hearing this narrative a lot today but I disagree. The majority of teams in the league are teams that have been promoted in the last 10 years. There is a constant rotation of prem teams. The fact that every once in a while all the promoted teams go back down doesn't change this fact.
@@VizehExamine the table and you'll see what I mean. Apart from Everton and the big six every other team has been promoted after Man United's last title. Remove crystal palace and they're all promoted after Chelsea's last title.
Yes when you look at one or two seasons you can conclude that it's hard for a promoted team to stay up but long term, it's hard for anyone but the big six to stay. Even everton has flirted with relegation, and they've never been relegated.
The Premier League Has A Big Problem.........Burnley qualifies for prem. gets relegated . qualifies for prem. Gets RELEGATED
Burnley is fun
@@Vizeh-ny
It’s the highs and lows of football! The sport would be boring without them in my opinion
Adrenaline farming
Burnley is good than the championship when it comes to the Premier League they are always fighting to go back down. That’s just what happens. It’s called money.
The gap between the Premier League and Championship is obviously very large, but I’d also argue that the gap between Championship clubs in receipt of parachute payments and those without them is getting even bigger, creating a sort of a football purgatory that makes both the Prem and the Championship far less interesting. Basically, clubs like Southampton, Burnley, Sheffield United and even Leicester City just can’t survive in the Premier League but are way too good for the Championship thanks to parachute payments.
Leicester was a top half club in recent years and all of the sudden they went down and now are stuck which is the hard part of going down now a days, relegated clubs have to start all over again but due to parachute payments they’re likely to go up again but down again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wolves or Everton went down they would easily go up almost on record points but be stuck in another relegation battle once back in the PL or Leeds next season being in a relegation battle it’s almost guaranteed
Tbf the revenue you get from being in the Championship and being in the Prem is completely different. Many clubs need those payments as their wage structures simply wouldn't work in the Championship and a couple of months is not enough to fix it
@@ghostryydr if they didn't get that money, they'd either go broke, or would need contract wage clauses with relegation.
The gap will get wider and wider as these seasons go on. Ipswich fan here, we've spent a very decent amount of cash in the summer when we got promoted last season, however we still have a substantial amount of L1/Champ players playing Premier League football.
Not also forgetting PSR rules, which means essentially promoted teams have less money to spend once they do get promoted!
other teams manage to cope. Forest, Bournemouth as mentioned in this video are still up due to good business and scouting. just to name an example, murillo from forest. i think this is, in my opinion, the most important factor to staying up so saying you have spent loads of cash is irrelevant when you buy garbage players.
i want ipswich to stay up btw, a loyal fanbase with a decent atmosphere. hopefully you will be signing someone decent in January
It seems like every year, there is at least a couple of clubs fielding a glorified division two team. Reckon the Prem should be downsized to 18 clubs as is the case in Germany.
@@alarky1142 in 5 years forest has a NetSpend larger than negative 200m. That is a gamble many can't take. They had a ban incoming and bought a load of players didn't they? I think it is larger than Bayern in negatives.
@@alarky1142 that isn't necessarily good business
Premier league situation is crazy
I reckon it might be the hardest league anywhere for a promoted club to say up. I don't think the lower half of the other major European leagues are anywhere near as strong as the lower half of the Prem, including Spain & Italy.
@@fredbloggs8072 Spain is stronger
@@fredbloggs8072No one talks about it enough…How good the “mid table teams” are in the epl
The issue is that the teams like forest, Brentford and Bournemouth were lucky enough to stay up and allow their long term plans to come into effect. Meanwhile leeds tried that and our team looks so different now to what it was both under bielsa, and when we got relegated, because our plans didn't work at first either, but because the players didn't want to play in the championship, they left, while players like Hudson odoi, mbuemo, and solanke stayed at their respective clubs because they got to keep playing in the prem and improve their skills.
A club's fate can be decided by one lucky season, where they narrowly avoid relegation.
Just ask any Aston Villa fan.
@@julesdalli9716honestly it’s crazy how different Villa’s trajectory could have been if it wasn’t for them staying up over Bournemouth by VAR.
I'm biased but Brentford was anything but luck - they're my local and watched them since the League 2 days.
Their club culture & philosophy is great and their transfer committee is based on data probably more than any English club bar Liverpool.
They deserve to be where they are and they deserve credit for it, because Brentford should not be anywhere near the Prem realistically.
@mokkaveli and that is why I dont think the gap is 'too big'. We've seen Ipswich, Forest, Luton, Brentford all come up in more recent years when they hadn't benefited from parachute payments. It is possible, and there are multiple ways to achieve it. Brentford set the standard imo
Shout out to Derby County for coming back from literal DAYS away from being dissolved as a club to back where they were mid table in the championship.
Up the Rams
One of the biggest problems is the loan system. A Championship club gets two or three decent players on loan who then become a major factor in that club getting promoted, and then go back to their parent clubs leaving the promoted club to face teams of higher quality without their most influential players.
thats just sounds like bad buissnes on the transfer side , noone can impact that other than the club who wants that player on loan
the gap between prem and championship is pretty easy to explain. Most of the PL is inflated enormously by the infinite money glitch that they buy most of their teams from other nations. But in the championship and below it becomes apparent that England as a nation is a little subpar in developing their own players.
Compare this to other leagues: Spain has teams that are promoted that can establish themselves and often times you have some old teams kicking the bucket and getting relegated. The money of spanish teams falls way off after the top 5, but Spain has some excellent wider pool of players.
Germany probably has the least money in the lower half of the table of the top leagues, making it always exciting along with good youth player development.
Name a more talented squad than England, all players developed there. And the infinite money glitch is long gone. Newcastle have more money than most countries and they're gonna have to sell more than they buy.
@napolean_raglandYes all these are just excuses of the past.
@napolean_ragland Spain, Germany, Portugal, Argentina, France, Italy...
@@Drigallski The England squad has more combined talent than all of those
@napolean_ragland you mean like all of the golden generations England had previously? England-Fans are absolutely delusional
0:12 This Explains Everything
I say it in every video bro😂
I think Forest Bournemouth and Fulham would disagree with what you are saying. Burnley don't survive because your transfer business is absolutely diabolical if you get got players in then you will survive. You never strengthen your squad properly
Even with parachute payments you still don't learn we went up with ZERO parachute payments Burnley have had years of PP
Exactly this. Leicester were unsustainable wages and Southampton sold their best players repeatedly.
For Forrest though it really did help that you guys had Marinakis an absolute mountain of wealth that he is that he was able to spend hundreds of millions in a short space of time. Burnley don’t have that kind of money though. Forrest have spent 400 Million in 2 years since being promoted. How many clubs that get promoted have that spending power? Very very very few do and the difference shows
Forrest have done incredible but it is definitely helped the fact they have so so much money to spend since being in the Prem. There is undoubtedly a massive, massive gap between championship and prem its no surprise that in past couple years the 3 that have come up have gone straight back down, due to money, and a lot of other factors. Let’s be real the three that come up this year are probably gonna go straight back down next season as well I see this trend continuing for a while
This is a ridiculous statement coming from a forest fan. What you were able to spend after going up is insane and not realistic for most other teams in the same situation
@@jorgeandrade783 You’re not wrong about the investment, but it’s misleading to say the owner pumped £400m into our squad. So much of that was wasted and a significant chunk have been players to support Marinakis’ other clubs, Olympiacos and Rio Ave, without ever playing/not having any impact for Forest.
Players bought in that time that didn’t affect us staying up: Kanuric, Aguilera, Bowler, Hwang, Badé, Ayew, Scarpa, Lingard, Shelvey, Richards, O’Brien, Biancone, Dennis, Reyna, Santos, Ribeiro, Carmo & Stamenić.
I miss the excitement of seeing a newly promoted team do surprisingly well in their first season back in the prem, like how wolves got 7th or sth, but it seems that is basically impossible nowadays, with the only realistic way of surviving being miraculously narrowly avoiding relegation in the first season back. But that didn't happen last season, probably won't this season, or the next season either. Sucks.
Worth noting that 2 recent success stories -- Brentford and Nottingham Forest -- have owners who also own(ed) Champions League-level clubs in smaller European countries. So these owners maybe had more of an idea how to build a team in a league with less revenue.
"Premier league gap is the biggest it's ever been and it's unfair" 😭
Meanwhile: Forest, Bournemouth and Fulham 💪
Brentford and Brighton been here awhile now
This is Brentford's 4th season. How is that long? @danielmcgrath680
Norwich,Watford,Cardiff,Huddersfield,Sunderland,Swansea etc: bruh
Crystal Palace been there for 12 consecutive seasons now, less money & thus more PSR friendly, but we flirt with both relegation and Europe in recent years 🤣
Vizeh just likes to have a moan.
@@Animalistic9you can't compare Palace to the new clubs getting promoted recently
The gap is absolutely huge, ever since the old division one was rebranded to The Championship, the financial gulf between the two leagues has grown bigger and bigger with every season that's passed since then. Look at the huge parachute payments relegated teams get, it basically just negates their finances giving those clubs a massive advantage at being promoted again. Another big thing that's not talked about enough in England is the insane levels of debt English clubs tend to operate under.
I mean sometimes they just shoot themselves in the foot look what happened to Stoke. Also double relegations like Sunderland and Huddersfield aren’t that rare
Forest got lucky last season with who they were up against and had previously took risks to build a team, the first year the recruitment was absolute scatter gun! The manager has had time to recruit in a more targeted fashion to make what they had work.
It's those first two seasons that are the issue.
The quality gap between the divisions is big, but there are things the promoted clubs can do to help themselves. You need to have insane recruitment to consistently stay up IMO. When managers get the team promoted. Most of them never change or adapt. They try and play the same way as they did in the Championship in the Prem and if you look at Southampton, well yeah. Ipswich is the same
In past seasons, teams could and would stay up by grinding points out, focusing on their home form, being hard to beat, and scrapping goals. Now, it seems you have to play good football and also need to play out from the back. I have seen so many goals conceded from Southampton and Ipswich this season trying to play out from the back. Doing that in the Prem when you don't have the players for it will lead you into a hammering.
As boring as it sounds. The best thing to do for a promoted club would be to park the bus and hit on the break all season. However, then the whole team would be playing a completely different style of play but it would be the best thing to do to give them a chance at staying up. It would not be fun to watch but it would be better than getting beat 4 or 5 nil every week.
Agreed
I think also people might have to realise that someone has to get booted at some point, you can do everything in the world, but if the competition is that competitive then you can only do your best. Although most teams that don't really change their tactics from what worked in the championship. Probably the same issue for teams going from league one to the championship.
As a Leeds fan, I agree. I remember back in 2020 when we got promoted, me and most people believed leeds would get mid-table. Now if we got promoted, we would be the top 5 favourites to get relegated, because there's nothing truly special anymore. Managers like bielsa were able to do extraordinary things cause they were extraordinary people, look at Thomas frank. Now the managers coming up are all similar. Farke for example relies on individual brilliance, and not his own tactics like bielsa could.
As a Sunderland supporter IF we went up this season, next season will not be as good as this. I have no idea how Brentford did it, it’s like magic.
Last year was only the second time in the PL that all teams promoted got relegated again. However, the year before all 3 promoted teams survived. The average survival rate is around 50-60% for promoted teams, but I think only a third survive more than 3 seasons. I dont have info on how these stats have changed over time, but i can only imagine they've gotten worse as wealth disparity between teams and leagues increase.
As a Leeds fan I’m excited about the prem next year. But maybe that’s because we’ve experienced coming 9th in our first season. We will easily get proper investment and the owners have plans for a stadium expansion once we’re promoted. Maybe I’m being optimistic but next year will be our year.
What’s really going to be interesting is seeing what wrexham and Birmingham city do
ALAW!! That first season back was amazing, staying up on the last day was unreal but tha 3rd season under marsh was horrible to watch every week
But some of our fans already have concerns about Farke and how he won't keep us up. I like the guy a lot and want him to do really well for us (as he has been already) but even for Bielsa the Premier League turned out to be a very tough gig in the end. I've enjoyed this season and last a lot more than our last two in the Premier League which were mostly just depressing.
@ Well let’s see how farke performs after being financially backed in the prem and only then can we judge whether he’s the right man for the job, which I hope he is.
If we go up, we have to get the recruitment right. In 2021, we lucked out and signed a super player in Raphinha and everything just seemed to work.
As a Watford fan, I almost don’t hope that we go up this year. Cleverly has been a fantastic manager, and I don’t really want to see my team loose week in week out, compared to the hope that every game, we stand a good chance of winning. Just my two cents on this issue
As a southampton fan, I have hated the prem this season, for an array of reasons mostly the refereing. But the sheer gap between championship and prem is unsurvivable
That’s just not true though, Forest, Bournemouth, Brentford a few years ago. If you have a sustainable and well run business model you can absolutely stay in the league regularly. It’s not easy, but it shouldn’t be. The gap is a thing and I wouldn’t mind it closing some but it’s not insurmountable
It’s not unsurvivable? Southampton are awful, terrible management and terrible direction.
To be fair mate , you were the 4th best team in the Championship last season ... You didn't set the championship alight and ya played Leeds in the final and they always bottle finals and the play offs .. You were always going back down
No the gap between your team and the prem standard is unsurvivable. Other recently promoted teams are doing just fine. Southampton wasted too much time on Ange-lite and sub-par recruitment.
Nah Southampton are just gash.
The teams that come up have 0 ambition to stay up (the owners, not the players or fans). When forest came up we spent to stay up and it has worked wonders (despite weird PSR stuff with the Johnson sale), bournemouth and fulham the same. Sick of seeing fans of Burnley, Sheffield united, and so many more complaining that the gap is MASSIVE, it's there sure... but staying up is possible, they should be complaining about the subpar owners that lack the ambition, which i'm sure some fans do. Here's a few ideas, stop selling your best players in the first season back, recruit some players who are in the german league mid range (like forest did with awoniyi), get in a good loan or two and survive the first season. Then sell those big name players for profit and scout to replace them and upgrade weak positions. The only exception to this rule is Ipswich/Luton, they did a miracle by getting promotions, but because of that they have a mid tier championship squad and didn't have time to invest properly. Teams that are consistently Yo-Yo'ing have no excuse... the money is there but it's not being spent well. Forest got milenkovic for 13 million, elanga for about 12 million, Ola Aina for free, MGW for 40 million (a staple signing). It's not impossible, the owners have to have an ambition. Forests owner said years ago that he will get us to the prem, and then invest HEAVILY into getting us into European football.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS MASSIVE YEA NO MASSIVE 💀💀
So not spending 200m =not ambitious? Most teams can’t do that & it’s not like Forest even stayed up convincingly. You were 1 or 2 results from being f*cked. It’s not right to need to spent that amount simply to scrape survival
The first thing that needs to happen is that the promoted clubs have to move straight to a full FFP spending allowance. The class of 21/22 proved that if you can survive a couple of seasons and get to that point of being on a level financial playing field then you can compete. Unfortunately at the moment you have to have 2 years of a reduced spending cap before you can spend the same as the others. It’s a con and Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest only just survived to be able to compete this season.
Honestly, I think style of play is very important. Attacking style teams come up and just can't re-produce it to the surprise of absolutely nobody. I think it's always going to be a case by case basis. Luton & Sheffield United were more defensive teams, Luton didn't have the finances or the quality, and Sheffield United had a crisis with contracts and really poor recruitment strategy, like selling Berge to us for a reasonable fee. Personally think we'd have stayed up if we actually had a competent manager, it went downhill the moment a league one keeper was starting for us, like how stupid can you be ?
Personally, if Parker gets us up, I think he'll keep us up. Especially with the potential of this being the best defence in second tier history
On the bright side, Championship is a really fun league to watch and much more affordable to go to games
Honestly yeah. Like seeing Derby County vs Millwall or Sunderland vs Leeds seems like a great time tbh
My opinion is yes the gap is growing due to financial issues, but also tactical naivety, examples being Martin at Southampton getting it so wrong, then you have McKenna who had Ipswich going head to head with established teams and have been unlucky
You can’t say the prem has no promise for championship teams when, Nottingham forest, Bournemouth and Fulham are top half of the table teams. It’s possible to break through the insta drop, it’s just hard like it deserves to be.
These are exceptions to the rule and forest had to spend resources most clubs can't. You're a Sky Six fan stay in your lane
They got promoted a few years ago when it was easier plus Fulham & Bmouth had prem players already from recently being in the prem. Forest spent 200m & risked serious financial ruin just to scrape survival. It’s not comparable
@@jamesduffy7549Newcastle, Brighton and Villa the exceptions too then? Thats a lot of exceptions 🤔
@snarf2400 Newcastle and villa should never have been in the championship, you've instantly ruined your credibility and now cannot be taken seriously, well done
@ Yh well they have been, recently, now what. And oh no, my precious credibility! 🤣 first “stay in your lane” now “credibility”, your anger is weird lad. Try to calm down, it’s just footy. If anyone were taking you srsly right now we’d have nothing better to worry abt
As a Bournemouth season ticket holder for 20 years 🍒🍒 I feel very very spoilt that I get to watch Premier League football so close to my front door and part of a very exclusive 6500 group of season ticket holders! It’s a honour to be part of the best league in the world!
If someone would have told me 20 years ago that my cherries would be fighting for Europe I’d think you were playing LMA Manager on the PS2 with cheat codes 😂😂
as a Watford fan,I miss being a yo-yo club,going to the prem and going back down
As a blades fan, I completely agree. I like that we’re not losing 5-0 every match now, but I really can’t go through another season like 23/24. It’s impossible to do anything against teams like Man City who have been overspending for decades and are now unbeatable.
As an Ipswich fan, I think we're doing OK tbf, just hope they look back on why we've conceded goals and rectify it in the new year.
The reason we've lost most of our games and drawn alot is because of ourselves and our own fuck ups,
We've only been outplayed and excluded from the game 4 times in 18 games. That's alot less then I thought.
The other 12 games we've been competitive in and could have got something from it.
Look at arsenal away, was only 1-0 and arsenal let us in the game 2nd half but we just never got the ball in the box wasted time passing at the back
I know we can stay up we just need to be direct going forward and quick to react at the back, like we was in the championship and League 1
The gap is massive imo. But I think the only way you can really make yourself a mainstay in the Prem from the championship is to be a yoyo club for a few years so that you can get parachute payments, hopefully invest that money into key areas of the squad and put yourself in a position where you won't get relegated again. Thinking of fulham... they invested in several players that kept them from getting relegated. Palhinha, Leno, Pereira, and willian all came in the same year and were good building blocks that allowed fulham time to build out the rest of their squad. That is pretty much the only way to make yourself stay up.
Someone needs to make a name for themselves and take to the government regarding 3pm blackouts
Never will happen
@@Vizehyou should move to America then?
@@Vizeh has to eventually, surely too much money involved, it’s crazy we still live by such archaic laws
@ja4330 He lives in Poland
@@samwansbone2790 oh for real?
Happy Christmas to you and your family bud.
Thank you mate!
Which team will win this league?
1.Barca 2011
2.Real Madrid 2017
3.Man City 2023
4.Liverpool 2019
5.Bayern 2020
6.Ac Milan 2003
7.Inter 2010
8.Man United 2008
9.Chelsea 2004
10.Arsenal 2002
11.Juventus 2015
12.Atletico Madrid 2016
13.Spurs 2018
14.Leicester 2016
15.Atletico de kolkata 2016
16.Porto 2004
17.Monaco 2017
18.Ajax 2019
19.Bayern Leverkusen 2024
20.PSG 2022
1.
2017/18 Burnley
Ac Milan 2003 wins
Kolkata, Porto and Monaco go down
Barca 2011 easy
Everton 1985
Class of 2022 doing okay :) But I get the feeling, being a team battling promotion (or expecting to) is not fun. But it's a necessary evil if (IF) you can do a Brighton etc.
The annoying thing is when you have Burnley fans moaning yet their club is just as responsible for the gap they have with the teams below them.
As a Saints fan, yea the fact that we beat Everton feels kinda weird now that you mention it.
Make premier league a knockout competion too
Also only 1 leg 😈
Ever heard of the EFL Cup?
@AhmedPlanet 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
FINALLY a good idea
Its true, most club recent years who went up and actually stayed proved there worth is Brentford. Every other club the get promoted struggles for survival and then mostly get relegated. Its a shame.
Cheers Vizeh, and also Burnley got a great Defender (Sonne) signing.
- From A Peruvian fan.
nottingham forest have done well too
I see blackburn going up and if they go up i see venkys selling which could be a godsend for blackburn
I'm glad someone brought this issue up and adressed it! There should be no reason WHY newly promoted teams are consistently going up and down yearly.
Agree, it's an issue that has to be fixed
Make the league of only 10-15 teams
Less games+More competition
Will just happen again mate
Such a good idea, make it 15, that way premier league would become even more elite, and championship would get way more attention
Imagine the scenes if United or a team like that relegates to championship lol, it would def happen
@@web.deslgnersounds like it’ll happen this season 😂
I feel the exact same way. Then again I’m a Leeds fan from America who’s been a fan for 2 years lol
I get why you're feeling this way, the PL is too volatile and a newly promoted team needs to spend tons of money to have 40+ players like Chelsea to stay up and that's not even a guarantee!
it became a lot like international conglomerates competing with mom and pop shops, how will things go from that stage? we'll see
Considering that other top leagues around Europe like the Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga are concerned about the gap between the Premier League and them, the gap between the Premier League and Championship must be a chasm.
I've seen a few Leeds games this season and there's been some games it doesn't even look fair, like Leeds have absolutely shredded some teams this season. Yet stick them in the Prem with this team they'd have no chance. In essence if you get to a certain level in the championship then you'll get promoted, but that level is still no where near the Premier League.
Pretty sure italy and Germany have ranked above England in Uefa league rankings last 2 years…… ( financially EPL is King , but there’s not really a gap .
@@connieartist1907 Depends ,i would say the first 6 teams are competitive ,but if we go down to top 10 or top 15 ,the prem has way better teams / 5x the spending power .
To become a PL club these days, you need a plan in place. Like, if we take Leeds as example right now. Leeds 100% will go big if they go up. Red Bull will want the money in the PL, and will spend and spend.
I think it’s very much this obsession to play attacking football which is causing promoted teams to do so poor. Too many clubs try to run before they can walk
For me, it's criminal that Everton keep getting away with not being relegated
It's just small club fans problems ,like u VIZEH!
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Leeds are hardly a big club either tbh, nobody in the championship rn is big really
@@liamjohnson4221that’s a joke lad
@ u can’t have 7 major trophies, have a social media follower/subscriber count which is less than clubs like Leicester, Brighton but have a similar total to clubs like Bournemouth and be considered big😂 plus not to mention Leeds have been mostly bouncing from championship to league one past 20 years they’re not a small club coz they do have abit of history behind them plus have a good average attendance but deffo not big. Big clubs are clubs like United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Villa, Everton etc etc
@liamjohnson4221 who is and isn't a big club is one of the dumbest arguments in all of football. Means nothing now that money talks more than anything else
@@liamjohnson4221 joke my boy lighten up
I really love this guy. so true,so natural and refreshing. well done 💜
I mean, tbh I don't really want to hear this from a Burnley fan. The reason your club went down is that you let it be used as an advert for a managers tactics.. even my blind uncle could see what the results of the games were going to be playing that style of football with the players you had. If you want to blame something, blame the terrible decisions your club made.
There's a combination of not spending wisely or using the same aging players in a squad. But you could argue for Forest, yes it was silly how many players they had during the last two seasons, they had to so they could survive a season or two. Only thing now for Forest is that some bigger team will come after Wood, they'll struggle to keep hold of him.
The thing is with the other promoted sides, like Southampton and Ipswich Town. Yes they have previous experience in the prem, but they need to adapt their style as playing like a top championship side in the prem usually gets you eaten alive. But then that goes back to money and player skills. It's an odd spiral that just keeps going around for promoted/just above relegation clubs.
Well....in 1987-just 27 years after winning the League Title, Burnley not only HAD to win their last 4th Division game v Orient to have a chance of staying in the Football League, they also had to PRAY that Torquay and/or Lincoln lost/dropped points-it WASN'T entirely in their own hands. So I guess yo yoing between the top two divisions isn't that much of a stress compared to that dark dark time 37 years ago
The problem now is that teams like Bournemouth are able to spend 40m on a striker from Porto, ultimately these players make the difference. Teams like West Ham are streets ahead of the promoted teams with players like Kudus, Carlos Soler, Lucas Paqueta, Todibo, Edson Alvarez etc. Brentford and Brighton are able to splash 30 to 40m now on players.
Whereas the newly promoted teams are too good for the championship but not able to amass more than 30 points in the prem. They have signed players who will perform well in the championship (Cameron Archer, Brereton Diaz, Mateus Fernandes) and probably will come straight back up, quite boring tbh.
I hope Sunderland, Leeds and Blackburn go up. I’m sick of seeing Sheffield United and Burnley embarrass themselves
I literally asked a Middlesbrough fan at work this week, "do you want to go up". He did answer yes, but it was far from an immediate yes.
Let's start from the START
HOW about all the teams have same purse in the League and Players r auctioned ?
Ex-Like Make ur Team in € 1 Billion
Every Team has to build their team from the start
This will make the league more competitive + all Balanced teams + No superpower teams
Noice
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
wont work as every leauge has to adhere to that and it honestly wont make them money and they cant give out 1 bil to 20 teams in the prem, let alone the leauges below
@@JazKicks I just gave 1 billion example
But yeah overall u r right.
Multiple years in a row of the 3 promoted teams getting relegated is going to make the gap between leagues massive. It is great for the premier league because you will see the competition from 5th to maybe 14th get really strong and more entertaining as the teams are all established. Somewhat seeing that this year. The closed shop super league is kind of forming itself.
I think the problems this season are that Leicester did not do good enough business in the transfer window and still rely on a 37 (almost 38) year old to score their goals. Ipswich was in League One two seasons ago and still need to go down and back up again to survive as well as bring in the right players. And Southampton, Russel Martin...
I checked out of curiosity and to show how bad it was that all 3 teams got relegated last season. That was the only time in the last 15 years (I did not check further) that all top 3 promoted clubs were immediately relegated in the top 5 leagues.
I have always said that if I was a manager that got promoted to the Prem the first thing I would do is resign.
As an American, this is why I've never cared for the MLS adopting pro/rel. Our league is improving every year and because we have playoffs our league stays competitive. Because it's competitive it doesn't become repetitive (stale) for the fans. If the PL had playoffs, you could potentially have had Bournemouth winning the league this year. Which in turn would give hope to everyone that their team can do it too.
Also meant to say special mentions to Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford who have bridged the gap in recent years.
They don’t invest thats the problem they are so light when big teams come for there players
As a Norwich fan, the idea of going up to the Premier League is grim like last season playoffs. It would’ve been nice to win but like don’t really care as Prem is awful.
As a Brentford fan I have mixed feelings about the gap. If something could be done about it we would be one of the clubs who would be at risk of dropping. However, I would like to see some change in the league year to year assuming we stayed in it.
Also the way Brentford got promoted was money ball. We had a game plan for what we wanted to do with Frank, made good signings, and developed well.
As a Leeds fan, I have the same line of thought. To think if we go up we have to basically have to get an entirely new squad along with a new manager. Farke has previously shown he’s nowhere near good enouh for the Prem. It sounds like a way too daunting task which I’m not sure our board would be able to fulfill
This conversation about "the gap's getting bigger" is boring af & not even accurate. People have been saying this for at least 25 years now (unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember) & yet it stills remains the same. It's just a meme at this point.
Sure, all 3 promoted clubs got relegated last year, but that's incredibly rare. Are we forgetting that the year before all 3 stayed up & 2 of them weren't even truly part of the relegation battle? Did the gap suddenly shrink for a year before immediately becoming wider than it's ever been? What nonsense.
It's normal for promoted clubs to be in relegation battles & for 1 or 2 to go down. What are people expecting? European football in their first season? You know what's also normal? For 1 or 2 to stay up & then perhaps go on to establish themselves in the league for a sustained period.
Sure, the gap is big, but there's no long-term evidence to say it is getting bigger. It's the same way it's always been since the inception of the PL.
Best and most proper football youtuber right now. Keep it going lad.
American here. Promotion and relegation are the most amazing things. We do not have that over here. It in any sport and we love our sports. To my UK brothers, I would just say cherish your promotion because it makes such a massive difference to the health of a sport and the entertainment factor.
As a Watford fan, I agree with you 100%. I don't see any potential club who could stay up if promoted. Hope that this changes soon, so there is more hope for Championship sides.
I think there is a bit of a gap, but look at the recruitment done by the teams that just came up. None of them really went for it and just bought some of the best championship players to prepare for the following season in the champo.
For me, its a few things of why i also feel this way. 1st of all its that going up a league for a team that is honestly mid like my team being pompy, they just cant survive or fight clearly far bigger and better teams when half of the pompy team arnt that good. Theres 1 or 2 outliars within the team that hold it together and manage to get the wins and the rest arnt good enough to keep up to them.
The 2nd problem for me is constantly switching managers for multiple clubs and being bought out by say, america aka like wrexham was. Tons of money can be invested and the best players can easily be bought while those near the bottom who dont have much money to spend, can only spend or save it on 1 good player who may just end up leaving next season anyway.
My home town team being havant and waterlooville fc are doing far better 2 leagues down than pompey has done all season at this point in time. Pompey at this point will go down to league 2 while my home town will go up to league 2 meaning my city team will eventually play my town team at this rate.
Lastly i just feel like being able to buy players who dont originally live in a certain town and city of the football team basically just outlies the point to see what town and city team are the best. The fact that man u could buy ronaldo for example i just think is wrong and breaks the whole concept of even bothering to have town names and city names for football teams to exist when most of the players arnt from those towns and cities.
There needs to be an additional 10-20m bonus (ontop of whatever they already get) for anyone that gets promoted to help them survive their 1st year.
At the very least you should be excited to get that bonus money to improve your squad so if you get relegated you will be even better going back down.
Brighton Bournemouth and Brentford do not have big stadiums or crowds but they are better run than the big 6 teams and so they survive in the Premier league. They do not exceed their budgets in terms of transfers fees or wages paid to players. Everton are an easy example to point too as they often overpaid for players competing for the same starting position who the failed to produce what was expected of them on the pitch as they were always in a rush to get back to where they had been rather build up slowly and carefully one brick at a time.
The difference is teams that do stay up, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc all have a well run club. They have an identity, values, and they know what they want. They sign the right players, that fit the system they want to play without overspending. Then there are teams like Sheffield United who came up with no idea what they wanted long term, it's just right lets do what we can to survive.. Spending massive amounts of money on players that just bloat the squad and not necessarily fitting the system.
As a Leeds fan I feel the exact same way. Maybe it’s because for the last two seasons in the prem we got trounced most weeks and there was no plan at all. I’ve experienced mediocrity in the champ and I know if we don’t go up that’s the other prospect but as Gary Neville said ‘it’s like picking between to blokes to nick your wife’. Right now we are in a situation where we have a squad and manager that are championship winning quality but I think that’s their peak as a squad and as a manager. We will need a hell of a summer to stay up and even then I think Farke will struggle.
It could be a lot worse than having this predicament though so I’m not going to complain since I enjoy watching us play and watching players like Tanaka who is way too good for the championship and Rutter, Summerville and Gray last year.
I think issue with teams that find themselves in the promotion then relegation cycle is that teams need to adapt, but it’s almost impossible for these teams as there manger will get poached or there top players. A great example of a promoted team doing this is Brentford. Thomas frank hadn’t been poached by a top 8 team and they haven’t sold there top players. Whilst you see teams come up and their manger gets poached and they cash out there best players to financially support the club if they get relegated or need to sign more average bottom league PL players
I wonder if Utd fans will think the same next season
Theirs a massive gap between the prem and championship u can factor in the wages just dont attract players, the pool of coaches is pretty poor, and 99% of championship clubs just dont have the money and investment that prem teams have. To stay in the prem you have to grind for 2 to 3 years if you slip up or get your manager wrong then your done...its brutal
Youre a yo-yo club, always have been. Burnley, Norwich, yo-yo clubs. You have spells, sure, but for the most part its up and down. I dont think theres a fix for it without new rules set in place for the poaching of newly promoted players. As a Hull fan I wouldn't mind being in the Prem every other season aha
I agree with more or less everything said here. However, I think proper management and long-term planning is the antidote. Obviously, it's easier said than done, and scouting and youth development plays a massive part, but the management of English clubs leaves a lot to be desired.
I could see a world where Championship clubs get promoted, basically refuse to spend money, and keep it for the next year (assuming they go down) to invest in players that are going to help carry them to a promotion, and a better showing in the Prem the year after. Obviously, hypotheticals aren't always going to work, but I really think the management of these clubs is horrible when it comes to a 5-10 year plan.
It’s not an insurmountable gap. The problem is too many championship teams come up and maintain too much of their championship squad. The most important thing in the premier league is recruitment, Brentford and Brighton invest smart in their scouting and take risks on foreign leagues (Brighton do great out of South America). Forest spent loads but did get highly quality players and have a plus batting average. Teams like Burnley and Norwich will always yo-yo for this reason.
Iam watching football, and many leagues too. Championship, even League One. What stands out for me is the quality of the players. There is a huge gap, and the way how the games played. I mean just go watch a Premier League team and then go watch a Championship game and then go watch a League One game. You will feel the difference instantly. At first all 3 looks like a normal football match. But if you keep attanetion into every detail, you will see HUGE difference. Its just never easy for a newly promoted team to do well at first. New league, new opponents(much harder opponents) and the gap between lets say Liverpool vs Leeds is nuts. Just look at the squad overall value and the style of play. For a newly promoted side, in my opinion the 1st season should be about survining. Get away from the relegation zone. If they manage to do that, their revenue or how to say, the club income will increase of course because its a higher leage, so they can invest more on the players in the summer, in the club, the training etc. You know what i mean. I think Ipswich is a side, which will survive and will stay up in the Premier League. I love watching them. You can see they are absolutely trying to improve. Thats not the case with Southampton. For Leicester it is a 50-50. They just got a new coach, a brand new style of play. We will see how it goes, but the team iam mostly watching now is Ipswich. They are really really good side. I love how they play and how they trying to handle the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Tottenham etc.
Leeds fan here. Been through it in the prem, the fun of promotion ends when the fixtures are released and you go from 20+ wins a season to begging for 8 wins. The refs are awful, the atmosphere is awful, VAR is awful. Stinker of a league I hate it and everything it stands for.
Promotion is an opportunity not a reward. Key to staying up is to strengthen your defense. Not conceding goals is the first way you collect points in the Premier League because errors in your own half are punished by your opponents far more often than in the Championship. Leicester, Ipswich, and soon are just leaking goals and you do not stay up like that..
The major thing is that IF, and it's a big IF... you can survive your first season in the PL, you should realistically be able to stay in because that additional cash remains in your pockets... However in today's league it is SO SO DIFFICULT to stay in because the available cash in a top-table club vs a Championship club is so so vast...
This is very sad. I think that the "injury crisis" that many teams are suffering is something bigger, that kind of sh*t is usual in the NFL (but they use substances to keep playing), i mean football is NFLzing and that is veeeery bad
We definitely have PEDs for injuries in football too, Peps Doctors in Barcelona are magic
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Are you sure the problem is not just Manchester in general
It's great getting promoted.
But as an ipswich fan, i know realistically we aren't going to be able to compete with most teams.
20 years ago you have a chance against most teams and even the top teams were not as strong.
Now you really see the difference between the championship and the premier league.
I am glad to see forest doing well, But even than they have been injected with a lot of money. Breaking FFP
the fact that last season them and everton both got deducted points and it still wasn't close.
This season us and southampton are both very likely to go down with 20 or less points.
You will see just the same group of teams going up and down. Which than also makes the championship less exciting
But that’s the issue, you got 90 points last season, kept your manager & core squad, spent 100m & well. & yet it’s not enough which isn’t right
As a Leeds fan I'm really enjoying this season, we've been brilliant on the whole, but I wonder what I want more - the idea of achieving something (ie getting promoted and potentially winning the Champipnship) or being back in the Premier League? I think the former really. Last time up a lot of us learned the hard way that it's really not that good of a league, and a shadow of what it used to be.
You only need one: You just have to hit a jackpot when it comes to pick the manager. Brentford have Thomas Frank, Fulham have Marco Silva, Nottingham Forest have Nuno.
I think PSR needs to be, at a minimum, reformed to allow newly promoted teams to spend more. And the cutoff date needs to coincide with the end of the transfer window, not the end of June. What happened to Forest shows how stupid PSR has become. But I think Forest also show how the gap is not insurmountable.
Brentford had a squad that was ready to be promoted, they had young players like Mbuemo, Toney, Norgaard, Pinnock, Jensen, who were all ready for Premier League football and have gone on to be a massive factor as to why they've stayed up and then thrived. Yes they didn't spend a lot of money, but they are definitely an outlier to the rest of the Championship.
Would expanding the Premier League to 24 Teams solve this particular issue? Because doing that would mean that more clubs would stick around in the PL and thus obtain more financial sustainability.
I also believe that the current FFP/PSR rules should be replaced with rules based around how much debt a club could have. Especially when such rules unfairly punish newly promoted clubs.
The most competitive season in years - the premier league doesn’t have a problem. It is difficult for a team to survive the first year but teams like Burnley and Saints with Russell had ridiculous tactics and teams like Sheffield utd and Leicester had weaker teams in the PL than in the championship. Ipswich could become the next team to stay up maybe after their next promotion if they keep McKenna