What if the Allies didn’t do appeasement in WW2?
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- What if the Allies didn’t do appeasement in WW2 and fought Germany right after they violated the Treaty of Versailles? What will happen to Germany and Europe in this scenario, if the Second World War starts earlier? Keep watching and I bet you won’t expect what happens in the end!
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00:00 - Video Intro
00:30 - How Germany broke the Treaty of Versailles
01:06 - First violation of the Treaty
02:13 - Second violation of the Treaty
02:28 - Third violation of the Treaty
03:38 - Fourth violation of the Treaty
04:14 - How WW2 started
05:09 - Alternate History Part
06:20 - What if the Saarland remained under France
07:37 - The Saarland civil war
08:21 - Germany introduces mandatory conscription
09:38 - The war against Germany
10:50 - The Berlin Olympic Games
12:00 - Germany pressures Austria
12:58 - Second war against Germany
14:33 - Peace Treaty
15:26 - Video Outro
Make the part 2 where the Western Allies and Soviets fight in the 1940s, it'd be interesting to see
Yes this is going to be the title of the video once I make it! It seems that people want this!
So a three-way WW2 or just right after WW2?
@@rewriting-historyW
But seriously though wasn’t it a very likely outcome? It’s quite strange war didn’t happen right after, but I guess recovering economy was more important.
Wait,but isn’t that red alert 1?
Germany didn't violate Versailles by annexing Saarland, it was part of the treaty that in 15 years a referendum would be held and it was pro-reunification with Germany, being the territory was entirely German.
I didn't say that they violated the treaty by annexing the Saarland, I mentioned that France could have protested the results of the vote.
you look familiar...
great video but you did say "here the treaty was yet again violated and france could have protested"@@rewriting-history
I mean most of the annexed territories were 100% Geerman but we just pretend they weren't
@@kaisercollins3097 Ah yes, Czechoslovakia, known for their 100% German population.
Fun fact:
Poland two times try to convince France to attack nazi germany.
Unfortunately France refuse both times.
Yeah, in this scenario they actually do!
France, on several occasions, protested strongly about German actions, but the British told them clearly that they wouldn't support a war so the French government did nothing.
@@augth so bri'ish "people" are reason why ww2 happened.
Right before ww2 Poland started a mobilisation but UK said to stop because it will trigger germany
@@augthif the French attacked as soon as the German rearmament parade happened, Germany would have lost quickly
And in 1938 Poland grabbed a small slice of Czechoslovakia as well, having sided with Germany (in the aftermath of WWI the newly created states of Poland and Czechoslovakia had argued over their border and remained bitter for the next two decades). Poland would discover a year later that was a bad idea.
I want a part 2 !!! For both the Balkans and the whole of Europe ! Maybe even a part 3 with broad long term consequences !
I will work on this scenario as soon as possible! People seem to love it
Italians being competent in combat is way too unreal. But either way, great video
I didn't say that they were competent, just that they participated!
Suggestion: What if the Czechs were invited to the conference, and rejected Germany’s proposal to annex the Stutenland? (And thats how WW2 started in this timeline)
This is a lovely idea! I will do it in the future for sure!
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Hitler is overthrown and Germany is embroiled in the Civil War.
I think there's a Men Of War Assault Squad 2 mod with that premise, with the ending being the Czechs storming the Reichstag =)
This video was great, I love to see alternate history like this. You should definitely make a Part 2!
Thank you! I will make part 2 very soon!
Problem for the East German Socialist Republic: it was part of Prussia(on which Hitler had full power) and were very much in support of the Nazis as they were isolated from the mainland. Unless the URSS invade directly it wouldn't happen. The real threat is the army's High Command which would probably try to coup Hitler to avoid a seemingly unwinnable war with France.
I agree that Prussia was very pro-Nazi in our timeline, but you have to remember that this is an alternate timeline. I believe that support for the Nazi regime would nosedive when they fail to take the Saarland and after that, start losing the Rhineland to France in yet another war. After all they didn't want to be a French puppet, so they turn to the USSR for help.
Amazing video! A part 2 would be a great idea.
Definitely!! People request it so much! Също поздрави от България! :D
It's kinda like:
What if the Saarland formed Germany?
Just like Micronation forms Empire.
OMG I didn't think about that one, it's very funny, maybe this will be the title for part 2! :D
9:39 The way you said "And believe it or not.. Italy" just sounded a little funny lol
Yeah I agree, still getting used to actually speaking English, not my first language, I'm only used to typing for now
@@rewriting-history Nah man your English is very good and that funny bit is a good thing. Keep it up!
I like it. Its a neat scenario. Thats why i love your channel, you make such a interesting "way" i guess for alt history scenarios. I want to see part 2.
I want to make alt history scenarios that nobody else is willing to do. And also make them in such a unique ways so people can stick to my channel. Part 2 is coming!
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more interesting than I thought it’d be, nice narration
Thank you very much! I just invested 130 euros into a new microphone and will continue to invest in my content even more!
I always find it weird that everyone thinks that appeasement was some major mistake in the forein policy of the allies and that they expected hitler to back down after a while, since the goal of appeasement wasn't even to maintain peace. The allies knew a war with germany is coming. Their problems were that they just came out of the great depression, and their economies were in the trash. If uk and france declared war in 1934, nothing would have been solved, since their armies and industries were not ready at all. It would have taken them a couple years to even start considering fighting, so what difference does it make if the allies start the war in 1934, or in 1939.
I agree with you and I even mentioned with text bubbles and etc that it's not only to give Germany what they want so they can be peaceful, but also so the allies will get ready for a war
EVEN IF that is true. Appeasement was STILL wrong. Let me tell you why: Germany was also fucked WORSE at that time and they just let Germany build up and they weren’t even building up themselves nearly as fast as Germany so delaying war only made it WORSE. Plus giving them Czechia gave them more military might
To make this more nuanced, a reason for appeasement is the political instability. However, even then by 1938 they easily could’ve justified saving Czechoslovakia
i would love to see a part 2
good video by the way
Thank you very much! I would love to create part 2, so expect it in the near future
France and Britain didn't oppose Germany's violations, because of the Great Depression, and disarmament. If France were to declare war in 1935, they might hold because of the Maginot, but it would not last long, as after decades of disarmament, Germany was much stronger than them.
That's the debate, some say France had the best army in the world at the time, some say Germany would win. This situation is very uncertain, but since the video us about France, I think that they should also win.
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Really appreciate the support!
interesting scenario but I wish it was longer (as in you cover more of what happened afterwards)
Yeah I agree, but I will make part 2 on it, so it's fine!
do a part 2 id love to see this alternate ww2
Thank you very much! I will start working on it very soon!
I remember that pilsudski (the leader of the second polish republic) tried to convince the uk and france to invade germany around 1935 or something but they didnt want to, so I think that the polish would also be in that war
Pilsudski was not in power in 1935 if I'm not mistaken. It's very possible that they do some border skirmishes which would result in a war.
This is fake. There was German- Polish non-agression pact and Anglo- German naval agreement which allowed German rearmament.
great channel. I am subscribing
Thank you very much! I really appreciate it!
Love your content man!
Suggestion: what if the second mexican empire survived
Thank you for the suggestion! I wanted to make a video about this or the Mexican American war, i will see soon!
@@rewriting-history Awesome
The major reason why Italy had protected Austria in the early-mid 1930s was Italy didn't want Nazi Germany on her northern border especially since they suspected Germany would want South Tyrol back as it was Austrian before WWI, as well as probably Trieste and Fiume. When Italy became a pariah state after 1936 and cozied up to the Germans Hitler renounced claims to Italian territory. After the fall of Mussolini and German occupation of central and northern Italy and put Mussolini back in power Hitler had those former Austrian possessions of Italy annexed.
This need a second part, we want to see what happen next.
I will provide it very soon!
Great video, impressive content. You re a brother Slav, let me guess...Bulgaria?
Bingo! I'm exactly from Bulgaria! Thank you for telling me that you liked the video! I'm glad that I impressed you
This is SO history channel: the appeasement of alliens on WW2
I hate how despite how accurate your maps are, you always make the same tiny mistake, Germany did not reannex Northern Schleswig during WW2, Hitler had no interest in the region despite what his officers said. He just did not care about it.
I never mention Northern Schleswig in this video, what do you mean?
@@rewriting-history The Map at 4:36
Hey, new to the channel, Im curious if you are a Bulgarian (I can recognize it by the accent) :))) Поздрави шефе
Напълно позна! :D Всеки път се изненадвам как ми разпознават акцента, според мен не е толкова уникален, но явно има нещо различно! Поздрави и на теб, шефе!
@@rewriting-history гей
You don't really do stuff so early, but here's an idea: what if Finland became independent in 1742
Great idea! It looks like this is a good topic for a video. I don't make videos "so early" as you said, but this is because I don't have custom maps for this.
@@rewriting-history didn't Possible History say something about giving maps when he founded the Alternate History Guild
Very interesting. Fun :)
Thank you! Appreciate it
Theres a little plan that the UK had after WW2 called operation unthinkable where they invaded the USSR but it failed (they didnt do it) you should make a vid where they did!
I'm very well aware and in 2 of my videos I hinted to it, maybe I should make a joint part 2 for these videos
Great video as always, mr Rewrite.
Also, can you please add a Bulgarian slur to the end of your reply? Thanks.
What do you mean by bulgarian slur? :D
@@rewriting-history A swear word... But in Bulgarian
Great Video!
I Love The Idea Of A Cold War Between France And Russia!
Thank you very much for the consistent flow of comments, I really appreciate that! I'm glad you enjoyed the twisted alt history I came up with!
@@rewriting-history Your Welcome! Congrats On The 2K
@@56REdits Thank you very much for being here!
Fireeeee video
Yeees thank you for the support!
Suggestion that I have from an AlternateHistoryHub video: What if Woodrow Wilson lost the 1912 presidential election?
I like the suggestion ,but im not into USA politics, so i'm not the best to talk about this
@@rewriting-historyI’ll think of a few more suggestions
Rewriting History is more of a fanfic.
This is the style of my content for now!
Suggestion : what if poland gave up danzig and the corridor to germany in exchange for protection from any soviet invasion
Good idea! I like it! I swear if you suggested it a couple of hours ago, I would be making a video on that! Next one will be about that!
Interesting video
Glad you think so! Appreciate the kind comment!
Suggestion : What if Germany won The battle of the marne
Great suggestion! I will maybe implement it as a section inside one of my videos!
Yes, part 2 focusing on both a warm three way war and the balkan front, and maybe turning afghanistan into a benelux, acting as a connector between soviet tartaria and british india
Yes something like that! I will figure it out later!
The Communist Revolution in East Prussia doesn't make sense. This was the powerbase of the Prussian Junker class from their agricultural estates and the army officer. I see no way the urban and industrial Communists would manage any degree of support there. It would seem more likely the Junker class instead revolts and creates a new Prussia, then negotiates with the Franch-backed faction to form some coalition government
I agree with you. Should have researched the topic more and put them in a better place. This doesn't change the video at all and I will fix it in part 2!
Suggestion : what if the Russian empire survived in siberia past the Ural mountains?/edit:awesome video
Thank you! Do you refer to the Russian Civil war or?
@@rewriting-history yes oh and maybe the capital should be in omsk
History would definitely be much different, thats for sure
Would you rather live in such a world, or is the second world war a lesser evil that happened?
@@rewriting-historyhard to say. maybe the alternate option, but I’m not sure
We want part. 2 with France vs USSR and the future of the PR
For sure will make it! Now that I'm done with my giga scenario, I can do that!
part2 please
For sure will be making one! People are loving this video!
Make an alternate history for Yugoslavia and ill sub
Okay so I expect you to sub to me in my next video
@@rewriting-history ok
I'm very sure that the IOC would strip Berlin of the hosting rights if not cancel the games I mean they strip Tokyo of hosting the 1940 summer games when they invaded China.
Poland ironically proved to be a bit of an odd line in the sand for the UK and France compared to Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia was one of the few functioning democracies in Central/Eastern Europe in 1938. Poland had a right-wing nationalistic and repressive government in the late 1930s and in 1938 had backed Germany over Czechoslovakia to grab a small slice of their neighbor. A year later they would regret that choice.
Imagine if in 1938 Poland had supported Czechoslovakia and France and the UK had reached the end of their tether with Nazi Germany and the three had gone to war against Germany in support of Czechoslovakia then?
Good alt scenario but on 8:12 you forgot the t
Nazis could have been easily overthrowed, but, any other party could also have started rearmement and territorial expansion.
Germany without Nazi ideology actually could have been more effective and it's policy could have meet ever lesser resistance in other countries.
Even in case of defeat, Germany could have remain a superpower, so, there would be multipolar world instead of bipolar.
2:15 The taking of the saar land isnt against the treaty right?
Technically it isn't, but France could have opposed it
but in the treaty didnt it say that it was given to france for a certain amount of time, and when that time was over germany would have control over it again@@rewriting-history
why on the mpa is the uk so far away from continental europe?
They aren't any further away as they are in our timeline. It's just a different map projection
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I'm very happy we hit this milestone!
Your definition of appeasement wasn’t quite right. It should end “to avoid, or give time to prepare for, conflict.” By 1936 the Conservative party already understood the need for rapid rearmament to face a resurgent Germany. By 1938, the Labour Party would follow.
I agree with you! I just thought that too much information about this would confuse new viewers or people who don't know enough about this topic. Not worth it to spend too much time on it from a watch time perspective
I don't know if the nationalists would be victorious though in Spain. One of the key reasons why they won was the overt support they received from Germany and Italy, but if Germany is far weaker and Italy is actively focused on limiting Germany's expansion, I don't see them diverting the resources and personnel to Spain to assist Franco. Far more likely the civil war drags on for a time with the Nationalists unable to cross over into Iberia proper which would give France time to eventually turn around and support the Republicans to their south to help keep them going the way Germany had in the previous few years or falling under Soviet influence.
I agree with you, but Germany would still be able to participate in the Spanish Civil war. They just won't commit as much, I don't think that they were the deciding factor in the war.
@@rewriting-history Agreed Germany wasn't the defining factor, but Italy was a MAJOR factor. Franco and much of his cronies and troops were stuck in the Canaries and Spanish-held Morocco and couldn't cross over the Straits to get into Spain proper until Italy sent planes to Franco which then airlifted him into Spain. If Italy is eyeballing a possible war with Germany (if not already being at war) I don't see them diverting the planes to Morocco in time for the Nationalists to really win. By the time the war with Germany is over, Italy will have been given a few strong blows and would need time to recover while also assisting their new puppet Austria and allies Hungary and Bulgaria in preparation for a possible war with Yugoslavia and/or Greece (maybe even Turket to get the claims on Turkey granted to them at the end of WW1).
Not the HOI IV colors😭
This is how it looks everywhere IMO
PART 2!!!!!!!!
Yeees I will do that!
In reality France was too busy fighting herself after the Great Depression hence it wouldn’t be possible to intervene. Although the recession was mild, the economic downturn still led to the formation of popular front. The low unemployment was largely due to the fact that France had lost 1 out of 4 young men of age under 24 during WW1. The economic woes on the other side across the channel had it way worst so British really isn’t worth mentioning.
I agree and I understand your point, but I had to make the video interesting somehow. I bet that you agree that even considering this, France would still beat Germany in 1935.
@@rewriting-history sure, but it’s like US declaring war on EU at 2009 while both still recovering from the Great Recession.
Alright, now we need “What if the Stresa Front didn’t dissolve and Mussolini joined the Allies”
Mussolini in the Allies is very cursed indeed :D
mussolini would probably become something akin to franco, i guess. italy is far better off than siding with the germans since it likely doesn't lose its colonies or land, perhaps even getting enlarged slightly.
make follow up video ples
I will, people love this scenario!
@@rewriting-history it's an interesting scenario as this changes the decisions of surrounding nations like the USSR, USA, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Italy just to name a few
So this is basically what if France somehow was politically unified.
Yes! It's very impossible, but would make for a cool alt history.
Lore of What if the Allies didn’t do appeasement in WW2? Momentum 100
Oh, I see that you found it! :D
Part two
I would actually love to be in that world you created...it made a lot peaceful, will you make about Asia? What if Allies chose Nationalist China instead of Communist China? And what if Japan was different?
Right now I'm working on a video about - What if Manchuria betrayed Japan in WW2. You should see it in 2-3 days.
What if the Ukrainian war of independence succeeded after WWI and what effects it has on WWII (may happen earlier in this time-line)
I like the idea, will do a video about Ukraine for sure soon! I'm not sure if I will do this scenario, as I can't think of something interesting that may happen.
the only way i see ukraine surviving is german victory in ww1, which basically means... kaiserreich. can't think of any other way.
Great video. Can’t wait for part 2.
P.S. Socialist Prussia. Cursed.
OMG socialist prussia, i never thought to call them that, maybe I should have, this is very funny! :D
What if Germany never unify
Good video idea! Some TH-camrs have already done it, so I'll consider it!
this guy sounds bulgaria tbh
I am indeed from Bulgaria, I have no idea how people always guess it correctly, I don't find anything special about my accent! :D
@@rewriting-history it's cause i sound just like you when i talk Infront of people :p
A M A Z I N G Ending
Thank you very much! It's just the beginning for me!
Do we Bulgarians really sound like that? Our accent is interesting.
Предполагам, всички по акцента ми разбират, че съм от България. Лично не мисля, че е толкова разпознаваемо, но явно е! :D
@@rewriting-historyjust wondering do most Eastern Europeans like yourself speak fluent English? And if so how?
@@randommonkey4900 most don't i speak English because of the internet and video games it's not a difficult language except the Grammar
@@LightK_I_R_A oh I see, do you ever speak English in your day to day life?
@@randommonkey4900 in my head when I think about something English for me when I was a kid was the un-serious language because i associate it with video games and the internet
this map is very human
Can you do a video on what if African American slaves established a state after the civil war?
Interesting idea, isn't Liberia a such a state? Or you mean inside the US
@@rewriting-history inside the US. Most slaves couldn’t leave. One idea floated around was to create a state for them in Oklahoma. But I mean what if the Union army armed a lot more slave during the civil war and then slave communities during reconstruction. After seeing southerners deny them rights and threats like the KKK appear and before they lose their limited roles in power like governors they make a coordinated effort to rebel. The union would be exhausted and would likely prefer to establish a freed state in the southern states as a recompense to slaves and to make their occupation of the northern part of the southern states easier. Haha I know this is pretty long. This was my idea.
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Actually no. None of my videos are AI made. I will make one specifically with AI to show you how bad it is
At about oster conspiracy
I already have this idea planned out, will do it very soon! I love the concept!
well actually its before ww2 not during 🤓☝️
It doesn't matter, the title is better this way than the alternative
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Can you please make what if lndia was a colonizer
Yes I already replied to your comments a while ago when you left them, i will get there, dont worry
Can you please make this what if time period of chola , Chandragupta Maurya, Delhi Sultan , Mughal Empire or Maratha empire
What if islam never succesfully reached and conquer india
Or
What if the caliphate won vs franks at battle of tours
Both are great ideas, but are too far away in history and i dont have maps for them . For now I only work on scenarios for which I have custom maps made
Black people were aloud in are timeline in the Olympics of 1936
Sorry, but Polish pride and faith in their army after 1921 victory would let them to not back down against USSR
More So, they would probbably stand against German Socialist Republic and help Hitler, given good(actualy probbably the Best in all history) relations between the two(in peroid 1936-1938), and having no danger from their side, and animosity to french, Czech and british for not helping(and actualy actively disturbing) Polish-russian war in 1920
Good points, I will use them for part 2, as I want to clear some mistakes up
@@rewriting-history although there was a plan by Piłsudski to attack germany with France after Hitler putch
But it was unrealistic due to current International situation(britain was against strenghening France in Europe, and Poland had severed relations with Czechoslovakia due to Czech takover of polish Zaolzie in 1919 during Polish-soviet war, witch was always seen as a backstab by Czech, at Polands weakest, and Czechs were close allies with France)
Damn you did terrible as a austrian diplomat
I did good, it's just that other people decided to gang up on me, nothing I could do really
@@rewriting-history true, it was a funny video tho 😂
@@-fish-. Yeah I watched it 2 times, it's very interesting. Next one we do I bet will be even better!
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Why does translate says "It is"?
@@noone33736 no idea
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First?
You are first indeed! Congrats!
dont u know pssible history?
I have heard of him, but not sure
@@rewriting-history i thought u were in one of his videos...
@@geokid317 I was in one of his videos, yes
@@rewriting-history alright