Nio ET7 road trip to Folldal in -27°C
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2023
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And the Oscar for best intro to an Automotive Review video goes to....
A ninja?
Its like the build up to a plane crash film
I can't unsee that nomi gets a smile when reflected in the windshield.
12:30 thank you for the music and scenery !!!!
Happy to see you didn't die for us ! This was scary being so far north in the night at this temperature with a car you couldn't trust fully. I know that if for example if what happened to you happened to my wife she would never drive it again. (I do realize this a very edge case scenario).
@@tonypaca3015 ahahahha, You must be new here, he DID try this on a Tesla and on multiple other brand car. And you picked the worst choice possible putting it against a Tesla, with the Heat Pump and Octovalve and software it's an unfair match for the NIO. But as he said with some software update it might get better as did Tesla over time. Also if you watched the entire video he even said he is going to try again with the Tesla Model S Plaid and already think it's going to be better.
Spoiler alert: Tesla in -21 and -27°C did the trip flawlessly. I had about 500 kW power limit at 10 % SoC near Alvdal where the Nio crawled with 10 kW power limit. And the Tesla received 250 kW even in -20°C.
Yes, Nio made it to Alvdal and did not shut down. But going uphill doing 50-60 km/h in the 80 km/h limit in daytime with trucks and other cars behind you would not be very cool...
@@tonypaca3015 Maybe a good idea to watch the ‘Munro Live’ YT channel where they reverse engineer multiple Tesla’s (and also other cars), especialy the Model S Plaid series is quite an eye opener.
I’ve driven a lot with the ET7 for work, and I can promise you that in terms of tech and software Tesla is still far ahead.
You have Nio?
the aluminum/steel trims around the windows are sooo old school ...
It seems the Remaining power figure is the powerlimit, but with actual outputpower subtracted. So output power + remaining power = Powerlimit. Was wondering why it dipped below the output power.
Correct
Been looking forward to this one!
My classic 2019 Model 3 freezes my feet as it always sits at “auto defogging” and blasts the air at the windshield. Service for days resulted in them saying it’d be solved in software. Sensors were also replaced and not fixed it. I wish I’d have baking feet like you had in MC hammer. I just drive in manual and it’s fine
Waiting to see you repeat this with Tesla.😊
Great review! Thank you
Coldgating and protection of the battery I presume
Perfect case of "tuned to work at exact scenarios" type of cars
I told you he had a Stormberg jacket.
What about reviews on lower trim level great cars for the family peoples. Now that the Ioniq 5 has a Heat Pump and battery preheating for the 2023 model, it would be nice to have an update for range and charge speed; Also for the new RWD 77 kW model, I think my side windows are thinner then expected and not double pane (Dealer has no answers). Reviews are always for top of the line models and we tend to expect the same kind of trim for lower end models; wind noise level seems to be picking up around 110 km/h but there is no comparisons to make our mind on the difference with such a limited offer on car lots. I live in Canada back country and the RWD gives me surprisingly great results on Snow mode. I also do the overnight charging and cabin preheats on my home 11 kW charger with great results. Lower trim cars Reviews would be much appreciated. Thanks and keep your very good work.
ModelY prices got reduced and its pretty much a solid family car :D
Björn, can you post the songs in the video?
11:18 It strikes me again, I think they are interested in buying parts of your audio track on some of your videos over in San Fernando Valley... :p
One crucial question remains tho : is it legal to eat a kebab sandwich on a Tuesday. I’m sorry, but the cliffhanger will be the death of me here 💀😂
I asked ChatGPT if I can sleep in my Tesla Model 3 at -20 °C. ChatGPT answered that I should go to a hotel. 😀
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I believe this is a Chinese car problem.
I drove my Maxus Euniq 6 down to 8% in December and at that point it was no response in the accelerator pedal up the hill from Trondheim to Tiller.
I think that's the only time I have had range anxiety in my EV.
I also have a Peugeot e-2008 which I drove down to 6% and there was no problem with the power there.
Awesome video as always Bjørn 😊
i was in kautokeino, 3 weeks ago, -33° almost challenging with model 3 2020 long range
I would like to watch a clip from that trip. -33'C is no joke. Shame that speed limit in Norway is not helping the situation.
did nomi stay all nigth ? 🙂
"So, do you want to drive in cold weather?"
"Nio!"
Hoooooooooly macaroni!!!
Haven't tried a NIO. Do you actually feel the kW changes in cruise control with a constant speed?
Yes
I dont find it that bad, but it frustrates me to look at and i often decide to drive my self because of it 😅 (i dont like to waste kWh)
@@bjornnyland Sheeeeeeit, this is really bad experience.
How about creating a chart about the cars that you have reviewed with your ratings/pros/cons that will help the new buyers to choose the best valued car?
Such point evaluations are only of very limited use, since they can never convey an objective impression.
Yes, as a rough guide, but you can't really make decisions with it, because everyone has different demands and assesses things differently.
But basically you can read and analyze most of the measurements in his google sheets.
@@Zedus-rl9hp google sheet? do you have a link to it?
@@urwithsai you find all links under video description
The Nio crawl 🤣🤣 it grows hair on your chest from own experience. 20 km/h with the Accelerator floored, any1 lower?
It's a programmer that messed up mapping of error codes. It react when you go over speed limit, alarms go when you hit 10 over speed limit.
It has nothing to do with speed limits.
Looks like is a good car, but it has a lot of work to improve the software. It's pitty if they don't improve it, because i can see the potential there. Thank you for your hard work and don't stop doing it!
Is the range estimator accurate on a Tesla?
Very accurate.
Charging the et7 is a mystery to me. The one time i was so low on juice i did not dare to preheat i got top notch speed of 127kw (although low its the highest i have ever seen in the et7 and only 3kw away from top speed of 130 kw (i also thought 140 was max but if i Google it, it says 130 everywhere ). Also why cant it heat while charging . It does not seem to ramp up much. If you come in low when charging it stays low. If youre lucky and it starts high it might ramp up a little. Anyway i love the et7, great looks, really nice to drive, so fucking comfortable. I mean it is quieter than eqs. Its not that extremely much more expensive than a model 3 performance. And its faster! For those jokers that expect to get et7 for model 3 money (and probably sr+ 😅👍) i just say keep on dreaming 🤣
10:40 after intro
Its cruise control over the speed limit. Then says powertrain error
Incorrect. It has nothing to do with speed limit.
The other time I saw a Canadian complains about air-con stops working on his Tesla model3 at -30 degree. If I live somewhere at this weather condition I wouldn’t consider driving an EV
That's just a Tesla flaw that happened with very few EVs. EVs in general work great in winter.
@@bjornnyland Don’t rush to downplay the problem Tesla Bjorn, just let me add some extra background info I left out in my previous comment. That mentioned model3 air-con continues to send warmth when the owner slow down to below 60kmph. My understanding from this is that heat generated by battery and motor was blown away by wind and heat pump had no heat to move to carbon. When car slows down to 60, the airflow slow down, then heat pump can collect and move heat, so air-con went back to normal.
And the good news is, heat pump on model 3 works fine at as low as -30 degree.
@@foreverwhisper It was problem some early Teslas with heatpump, which they fixed...so it's not Bjorn trying to downplay it, it's you trying to make a bigger case of it, then it is.
@@zoltanszeles9394 tell me more about this problem, I’m that not into tesla
Like I said, this is a *Tesla* problem. You're saying you don't want to buy EVs because of this. Let me repeat: other EVs (non-Tesla) does not have this problem. You can go ahead and buy an EV. They work great in winter.
Why didn’t you do this test in Thailand? 😉😄
I enjoyed it! 👍🏼
The same reason why I can't do +45°C test in Norway...
@@bjornnyland but maybe soon in the heated garage - car sauna 🙃
@@bjornnyland I know, Bjorn, I know, it was only a joke. For sure, I even put a 😉 there.
My car allways reports 580 km range @100%. 505 km seems so low. 🤔
Might be a temperature difference thingy.
Seriously.... Half the point of the car is to be able to convert it to a truck by falling the back sit... And make a bed. They will not get my money... 😂
It says to go to 50kW charger because it can't charge much faster. So saves you money. It's a feature, not a bug 😂
Um einen 500kg schweren Batterieblock von -18 Grad auf +10 Grad Celsius vorzuwärmen reichen 40 Minuten sicherlich nicht aus😢🙈
maybe we see some disadvantages of swappable batteries here? I mean, how should the car BMS learn the remaining capacity of a recently swapped battery? Haven‘t other EVs some kind of coolant fluid for the battery cooling and heating? How could this be realized with hot-swap batteries? Not without compromize, i guess
The only sensible way would be if the BMS was integrated in the battery and followed it.
There are quick-release connections for hoses and cables.
Looks like they used the Chinese EV calibration of “0% is basically where the car shuts down”, but failed to calibrate that based on temperature, so you get the Nio crawl at well above 0% SOC. Completely unacceptable for a car with 45km of indicated range left to go limp like that. If it’s too cold for the car to operate, it should warn you of that. (And they shouldn’t sell it in Norway in that case! Or China for that matter-Beijing can go down to -27C too!)
they have done extensive winter testing in china tho, definately "just a bug"
I experience the same in mine, could only do 20km/h up a steep hill . Was nervewrecking to be honest 😅
What an unpredictable disaster of a car it is! Glad you're safe after all that happened with this ET7. Are you aware of any other modern EVs having similar power issues?
That error appears because you want to set the pilot over the speed limit. Probably the software is programmed in such a way so it would not brake traffic speed rules by itself, so if you input a greater speed than traffic signs detection you should take full control of your actions, so if a speeding ticket appears you cant blame the car or the software for self driving and speeding.
Personally I don't think it's the case, I think it's more what he said : The autopilot try to use more than the powertrain is currently limited at. In any case NIO should had a better and more clear warning. Power train error is quite scary. "Autopilot can't be activated because of power limitation (cold)" is much less scary or if you are true "Autopilot can't be used over detected speed limit".
you can also clearly see the power limit going crazy from 0 to 100.
Incorrect asumption. It has of course nothing to do with speed limit. In this video the speed limit is 100 km/h and the powertrain error occured when I tried to set cruise control at 100 km/h:
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@@bjornnyland Bjorn, you should share your experience with NIO. It's valuable feedback for them!
I have already done it. When I returned the car, I talked to Nio for about one hour. They also recorded the conversation.
It seems that they are not ready to build a quality car
Not sure Nio had in mind that this car is meant to be used in cold/extremely cold weather….
Every carmaker test at very low temperatures and most handles it gracefully... Nio did not do their job well enough...
@@nakfan lol what are you talking about... bjorn was able to complete his tricky trip. so, what makes you think that they didn't do their job well enough? Also imagine when the swap station network expands, you basically have a completely worry-free experience. It does not matter how far you push the car to its limits and compare it with the competition. It's an irrelevant comparison xD
@@stefanospap6288 Are you a Nio fanboy? You must be. Did you not watch 7:11? The car was crawling up the hills at 50-60 km/h in a 80 km/h zone. And at one point the heater also shut off. And I could not use cruise control. Yes, I managed to complete the trip but those issues were not cool and they don't occur in other EVs.
@@bjornnyland Agree. Other cars like Tesla did it better.
@@bjornnyland I am a NIO fan. They def. got work to do but they are managing very well. Most of your complaints are solvable via software updates :D love your tests Bjorn! The ET7 is getting a facelift very soon. You gotta test that! xD
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EVs already scary at times in cold weather, but this Nio does not instill confidence at all.
Incorrect. Most EVs can drive in -20°C no problem.
so with the rattle from the music and the beeping and the child telling you what to do...and with China listening to your every word and the battery telling you it's giving up... you made it..ummm it may sell to Alfa drivers...they love cars that break down.
Nio seems to unashamedly copy Tesla’s screen layout, including ‘camp mode’.
Would love to the the electric transit soon…