Ja there is only One True God JESUS CHRIST and No One can Change it.Everybody will give Account to him THE CREATOR.REPENT AND FEAR THE LORD WHO MADE YOU TO SEE ANOTHER DAY
@@crumbum2 hehe! never understod why you should fear your god! is Jesus christ God? or the son? or human just like the rest of us! we all are Gods children no matter the faith, we all come from the supreme Divine
Joel Ragen Only fool's believe in he or she say and follow crowd's blindly...study read ask question's but always remember God isn't the author of confusion
@@kenthugge7445 The time to believe in a 'supreme divine' is when evidence for its existence is presented..........do you have any evidence for this claim?....
An African christian is an individual suffering from a type of Stockholm Syndrome. 'When logic and reason begin to feel like an insult, then know you are living a lie.' ~Aggrey 2019
You're the one suffering from that. Because if you did your research, you'd know most of the Bible is black ESP the old testament. Even without that, you should atleast know from biology that Adam was black. We don't follow Christianity blindly. So, before you go naming people, sit down and do your research.
@@lupdomnitor6192 partly true, partly not. First missionaries came before colonialism, in Kenya for instance. Johan Krapf and Rebman for instance came in 1840s a few years before colonialists. Just like other aspects of culture, religion can spread without colonialism.
Before anything, before any religion, before tradition. We, believed in God. Adam, all through down to Noah were men of dark skin who lived here in Africa and as scientists call it, the cradle of mankind. Don't fool yourselves that Christianity came with the white man, it was here all along. All the white man did was corrupt it.
Random she...The bible was written by Paul and others writers. None in the verse comes from jesus. They're no gospel of jesus. None of the writers met jesus. The bible was written between 35-110 years after the death of jesus.
No we didn't choose,did our parents present all the religions to us for us to pick the one we desired?the answer is NO, we were assigned our parents religion.fact, if you were born in saudia,high chances are that you would be a muslim
Am actually a kenyan and a proud atheist 🖤🖤🖤🖤 our beliefs should also be counted and not be called evil or devil worshippers I support you my friends🥰🥰continue fighting for our rights I'll join you in future
do not confuse God and religion when you learn to separate the two you will understand yourself more... Religion maybe fucked up but God is surely there as a supreme being
Dear KTN, what is the purpose of the clip showing police chasing down guys at 5:44 ? You make it look like the govenrment chased down Atheists at one time. That is not accurate and it is very poor journalism from your part, and you should feel bad.
@Its . xdonnie it's a long way ahead... but we try to educate as many people as are willing. Thing is, most people aren't even open to discussion when it comes to religion. Are you in the AIK groups?
As i always say. There are billions of pple in the world believing in different spiritual or non spiritual beings and still living a successful peaceful and happy life. Never be soo sure you are better than anyone.
I wonder why the least religious countries such as Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Japan, Germany, France have everything working out for them in terms of walfare and general societal wellness and the most religious countries in Africa and Asia are in full civil strive, conflict, hunger and the disease.
Majority of us Atheist are law abiding citizens, we live we love and are just normal people, not at war with anyone and respect all religions and there beliefs and are very open minded. Majority of atheists just ask for one thing, Don't push religion on us, don't force us to act or believe in practices that we don't subscribe to.
Remember the life you have, ability to talk freely is from God whom ye deny But because his mercies are forever abundant, he's still calling you today...
I've always wondered why the more religious a country is, the poorer it is. Scandinavian Countries are the least religious people but very rich, Africa and South America very religious but very poor
I'm not an atheist but I say that religious freedom is enshrined in the constitution. If someone wants to be an atheist, it's their right and they should not face any persecution. At the same time, the Kenyan Atheists should not force their ideology down people's throats.Don't try to get religious studies banned as that will tarnish you're reputation.
@@diablo75taurus4 The issue with atheists is not their rejection of the existence of a white God, but the rejection of the existence of a higher being. Incidentally, the so called white God (ie God for whites) is not white at all. The biblical God is Jewish rather than white and true Jews have never been and are not white.
@@diablo75taurus4 so true! though it was not a mistake but an accomplished agenda of confusing (check 'religare' etymology) and disenchanting the African Mind...
Hey if God made Jesus sin so he could die on your behalf so you wouldn't have to end up in hell.... What makes you think you'll get away with it. Having refused that substitute
Your traditional religions came after you(as in we, the black people throwing out hand at God) We believed in God before the gospel was brought to us, and before our traditions. Look at the Bible, the old testament, is mostly based in Africa. The garden of Eden is right here in Africa. Don't believe what the white man teaches
@@truetohim3366 There is no Garden of Eden. The myth is based on the fertile crescent in Mesopotamia, where the Jews who wrote the books in the Bible came from. Wacha kujichocha na ma myths na fables.
They don't care they taught that our ancestors where devils worshippers so they are in hell we don't have even to remember them because they are now ghosts but guess what they dead ancestors are Saints and u have to travel to Israel and Mecca to pray at their cemetery, teh teh
God of war is a demon in Christian understanding God of fertility is an angel in Christian understanding They stole our concepts and developed the devil angel Satan God religion to manipulate us. They don't understand their own Bible and their pastors don't know shit other than the crap they were taught to regurgitate in Bible schools
Personally, I do not believe in a supreme being, but I also don't fight those who hold a different opinion. We are all one race after all-human race-and that's what is important.
What we miss is conflating religion with our other ways of life like politics. Keep your religion to yourself. I will stay away with my ungodly like persona. Christianity and all manner of religion are responsible for half the atrocities this world has seen. Religion was made to be an opium of the masses. Prove me otherwise.
There are better ways to bring someone to the light rather than despising them. We should not focus on what separates us. "Humanity" surpasses our personal beliefs.
This Osoro guy cannot be a trained psychologist from a reputable University.....to called Atheism a pyschological problem is a travesty to humanity🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I used to be militant and evangelical in my atheism and its promotion. But you get such dirty looks and judgmental eyes. These days I just mind my business and respect your beliefs, as long as you respect my lack of belief. I'm glad Africans are slowly waking
Kenyan politicians and religious leaders are far worse than this atheists kanisa Siku hizi ni kukula pesa, just last week a bishop charged for defiling 12 yr old girl,and this bishops/pastors are sick in one way or another,let others condemn atheists since kenyan religious leaders are far worse hiding behind God
The issue I have with atheist is that they make fun of people's beliefs.. On the other hand, organised religion is the source of most of the troubles this world faces
I identify as Christians but organised religion is just as bad. Heard the way the pastor talked about the atheists. I mean we live in a liberal society why not allow everyone to worship whatever they want
I agree; religious education in Kenya needs to be revised from it's current focus of indoctrination to either scrapping the subject altogether or focusing on the role religion in world history - both good & bad,this is more informative & honest education
@@Mumbi.G I was just kidding, I don't believe in this shit about Christ saving nobody. How do you deal with the ridicule and hate as an atheist in the midst of such a strong Christianity base? I mean like where you live. Hiding your true opinion or?
Apart from reading the bible, do pastors/priests read any other book? If a man argues against the bible, why do priests/pastors use the same book to oppose the atheists' arguments? Do they have any other evidence? Secondly, we only knew of the bible when the whites came in 1800s; before we accepted it, did we question about its validity? Do you want to say our great grandfathers who died and were not aware of it, were fools? What if we are reading and believing in the wrong thing? Africans amaze me. Wewe saa hizi mtu akuletee kitu akwambie this thing will solve these problems, will you just accept it without questioning? Same to the bible and christianity, as well as Islam, why do we believe in these things and we did not have them in the past? These are the reasons we are consumers, and we will not create anything. We believe we are weak and incapable.
God commanded in Numbers 31:17-18 for the Israelites to: “Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” You can bet your bottom dollar no pastor would ever preach this verse from the pulpit to his congregation because he knows that, God’s word or not, the parents in his congregation who have “female children” would tar and feather him before running him out of town on a rail if he got within 20 books of this verse.
You sound like the rich young man who knew what he was to do but unfortunately didn't And you are an Adventist who should be showing the world the light.... Do you think if your grand father or mother don't study the bible the rest of the grandfathers also din't? Our God is a just God, he will judge everyone by the light which he has received. And the devil is also canning, we have the bibles and he can't let us study it..... I wish you would think again on your point
Why do you guys still use the Bible to present your arguments? Why don't you use any other evidence? You guys are limited. Open up your minds! We did not have the bible in our societies.
@@kenyanadventureman2988 Exactly. I love your point. Hizi zimtu ni ng'ombe kabisaaa. to your point about validity, I've tried a lot to show them how there are various huge contradictions, then try to tell them it can't be God's words while having all those discrepancies. When they see they're cornered that way, they resort to all sorts of funny answers. Or evasion or they quote other verses from the same bible to justify their god, circular thinking. This shit is a cult, and I'm worried.
@@kenyanadventureman2988 Then to add to your point of our African forefathers btwn 0 to 1800 AD. They knew no Jesus, are they burning in hell? 'Because this came in 1800 and 'Jesus' had already declared that he's the only way to heaven. meaning they'd been locked out. Funny crazy shit.
If you believe there's a God,don't you think he'd send a multitude of people to their own people and civilizations speaking their own tongue and accent,teaching them about how to deal with this confusion of life and how we should deal with each other and His creation,I'm just asking.
@@abu_bakr7518 Religion is fundamental in promoting ethics and peace in any cultural setting. Im sure in the pre-colonial period, Africans had a supreme being. Human culture and civilization can never survive without religion. The constitution itself mimics the holy book. You need to understand that human culture have curses, taboos and punishments to limit the wrong extremes that the human race is capable of doing. culture also promotes good behavior. Politics and leadership could have never been possible without a social structure, All that couldnt be possible if there was no religion. Therefore, we need to understand the value of religion in our lives, but its not necessary to be extreme fanatics of it.. in my opinion of course.
Lmfao you can tell this reporter is a Christian. We atheists, haven't declared a war on religion. We just want to stop having religion shoved down our throats everywhere we turn. We do live in a secular country after all.
"There are two types of people in this world, those who bend their knees and say: God your will be done, and the other type that God says to them : Let your will be done!" C.W. Lewis
I’m glad the awakening is here no body can STOP the consciousness logic Movement!!!De -colonizing the mindset and Discernment is the key to make Africa great again !
crumbum2 there are different levels of consciousness. People wake up at different times. Some 'wake' up at 3am some wake up 8 am and others are still sleeping right now hahaa. My point is, we as Africans should give it time.
I agree, there is no God, at least not that God, not really, because the Christian God, contrary to his own commandments, is fashioned in the graven image of a pertanal beneficent authoritarian Tyrant, and It's easy to fall into the religious trap. It's there prepared, institutionalized in the synagogues, Protestant churches, catholics, in schools. We are born into a Christian family, we grow in a Christian society that segregates and demonizes people who do not share in its own opinions. You see It's not really a personal choice, it's a choice made for you and maintained through fear. But if you are intelligent, and you understand that you are intelligent, then YOU cannot be the result of a mechanical and meaningless universe! YOU as an apature through which the universe observes itself cannot be a mere fluke. Teleos proposes in its approach to the existence of god that: the complexity and accuracy of physical reality , cannot be of mere chance but by intelligent design. However you must be very careful, because you might make an unwarranted jump: the jump to a conclusion that the consciousness behind the design, is the biblical God, be very careful, because if God exists, SHE must be BLACK. Of course space is black, in death it is black, before the universe, in the abyss of nothingness, it was black and it is from this deep unfathomable darkness that the universe and life emerge to display its creative and destructive aspects because it's is from most things destroyed that new ones come forth. I'd say, to conclude, my years search for god, that you are God and God is you, the I am, US! God(not yahweh or Allah) is everything that is, evidenced by the design in nature and the universe . Inspired by Allan watts, promoting ATHEISM IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Coastal Kenyans embraced Islam after Arabs conquered and enslaved them and told them they were savages in worshipping their ancestors. Central and Western Kenyans embraced Christianity after Europeans conquered and enslaved them and told them they were savages in worshipping their ancestors. So basically you acquired the religion of where you were born from. I'd rather continue worshipping my African ancestors rather than worship a being that has been forced upon me by my master. All in all every religion is man-made and forcing someone to have a religion is a stupid idea
@@bestronginthelord5413 really? my soul is calm now. i thught nobody was looking out for me but thank hollywood!! the jews who run that place must have really big hearts!!
I better live my life fully believing and serving God knowing that he lives. Better die a believer to find that there is no God than die a sinner only to find that there's God. Ask these atheists one question, what do they find disgusting in the bible?? Which biblical teaching do makes them hurt so much????
@@wanjikuboro1132 what do you mean if we had a choice? The uncertainty of not knowing where we came from made us create a god in our brains. Humans hate being uncertain about things.
@@esirkings4191 Seeing as in human beings brains, God is the cause of all evil in the world yet we owe Him our lives, why would we create Him? Why would we create a being to whom we owe complete allegiance? Were He our servant, it would make more sense to say we created Him but seeing as we are to worship Him, that He expects us to be accountable of our actions, that we are to be Loyal to Him, to serve Him...it makes zero sense to claim that He is our creation
I do not believe what they believe in,but I support their right to believe in what they believe in. Kenya is a secular state. Persecuting them is illegal and morally against what we claim to believe in.
I want my son to do GOOD because it's GOOD. Not because there's some guy watching him from the sky with threats of eternal condemnation. All religious people are scared to face life without something to believe in and attribute their existence to.
Religion should be a personal thing. Do it at home. It shouldn't be endorsed by the government, especially in a multi-cultural or a multi-religious society because people are gonna disagree. The majority shouldn't be the dictator. The minorities should be protected.
Sometimes things need to be said, and fights need to be fought even if they are unpopular. To the closeted atheists, you are not alone, and you deserve equality!
What is not in contention is that Harison Mumia has really united the religious groups which often attack each others doctrines. Each of these groups consider those that do not believe in their own doctrine as lost and not believing in the authentic deity. Different christian sects cannot even agree on the true day of worship. Never have muslims and christians been in so much solidarity in a topic. Good job Harison
@@davemwangi05 John chapter 1 verse 1 says in the begging was the word and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD , Genesis chapter 1 says in the begging the spirit of GOD was moving over the waters this spirit is the word according to John 6:63 Jesus quotes and says this words that I speak to you are spirit and life, so we see that the word of GOD is a spirit and GOD himself is a spirit read John 4:1-42 Jesus says that GOD is a spirit, Bro my belief has a foundation,, the Bible isn't just a book I would have believed in some other book but why did I cling in the word of God because it's truth. Well maybe you haven't read the Bible I would advice you to kneel down first pray and ask GOD to reveal himself to you and I assure you as you continue reading the word of God, GOD will open your eyes and you will change your views concerning the existence of GOD.
Why use an entrance to SDA, their logo, and music inside, as well and immediately change the Frame of Reference to ACK cathedral. Plus, Sunday is not just the only day honoured by Christians.
I’m surprised they mentioned Hinduism although it has a small following in Kenya. But I think that whatever path you’re born into doesn’t set your path. You have the freedom to choose whether to be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, or atheist. No path should be condemned.
That verse just goes to show how bad the Christian institution wants you to conform to its dogmas, It's using redicule and fear to induce your obidience. Don't be sheep.
I grew up as a staunch and religious young man, but as of now I am so disgusted by religious practices, I wish sometimes my neo-cortex brain never developed so fast. Between when you in a certain level of enlightenment you tolerate everyone, gays, lesbians, Christians, Muslims, atheists because you know each person is evolving differently and God is universal. God is not tribal and is inside us all.
I believe of existence of a supreme being whom gives life and must be holied but don tell me about christian,muslim,hinduism...etc Africans must find their identity and where we come from.
This myth that Christianity is un-African must die. Africans in the bible are very prominent e.g. Solomon's lover is described as 'black and beautiful'(Song of Solomon 1:5). African royalty include the extremely powerful queen Kandanke(Acts 8 : 27) who was Queen Mother of Nubia, a powerful nation in what is now Sudan.Pharaoh Tirhakah who came to the aid of Hezekiah (2 Kg 19:9; Is 37:9) has statues that STILL clearly show his African features. Ebed-Melek, a tactical advisor of the king, is identified as a Cushite four times (Jer 38:7, 10, 12; 39 : 16). And many many more examples exist.
Both sides failing to drive their point home. Archbishop assumes aethists aren't genuine, maybe they are (I'm not saying they're right, they could be wrong) but let's not assume they only want publicity. Mumia saying that the afterlife belief has no evidence... Things don't need to have known evidence to be true. Evidence and facts maybe unknown to us, that doesn't make something false, it only makes you unaware of truth...
@@iwrotethis4712 he is already doing things...only you can't see because you have cast him out of your heart....you think we as believers are crazy when we say He exists... wait for a while and you will meet your Creator, that's when you'll know He exists
I don't have an issue with them believing a flea..or not believing anything..but they should leave us who believe in God alone..they can believe what they believe..and let us believe what we believe..the word God removed from national anthem is subject to majority referendum...if they can convince more kenyans then they can have their day..until then God remains in our anthem..
Numbers 31:17-18 “Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” keep believing, oh boy your'e in a cult
@@davemwangi05 the issue is ..believe what u believe and let others choose what they believe...so like I said atheist can chose to believe or not believe..I dont care what they believe..but let them not have an issue with what we believe ...I dont harm anyone by believing the God of the bible..
As a Muslim I do believe that everybody was born as a Muslim but everyone decides what to practice and how to practice, to be frank understanding this statement will be extremely difficult for so many people to realize and get perfect perspectives.
@@farhanhappy5895 Religion teaches you hate, so I already know. You are not anything close to a moral being if you have to be threatened by eternal fire to be moral. But hate is taught, and religion is what teaches you so much hate.
Dear Atheists, imagine God will never force you to believe in Him. He's not manipulative, He's Love. So you can be disagreeable, you can prove His inexistence all you want. He will never force Himself on you. So It's pointless to make all these points. Those who believe in Him (like I do) will continue to do so regardless. Thank you, as you were.
Theism tells men that they are the slaves of a God. Atheism assures men that they are the investigators and users of nature. -- Emanuel Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of Atheism" (rev. C. Walker, 2001)
As a born again Christian, if I may ask, if as atheist say, there is no God. Then in that sense a Christian should be believing in nothing, so why are they very concerned with those who believe in nothing? It goes to show that deep down their hearts, the subject of God's person & His existence has never abandoned them to joy and peace therefore such an individual must seek a reinforcing view from without. Otherwise the reasoning that there is no God should have left them at ease. That is why scripture says in Acts 10:36 _there's peace with God through Christ, who is Lord of all.
Atheists are concerned with the religious because the religious often try to pass laws and adopt bigotry based on the doctrine of their religion. This often infringes on the rights of people who aren't part of the dominant religion.
@@garrettmurray5611 the area of difference is that with the Christian faith & not religion, there's absolutes. I think that's the crux of the matter. The disbelief in absolutes especially moral absolutes is the fuel behind seeking this rights that won't be infringed upon.
I did not understand your question, but (A) in atheism means without, so by definition atheism is the lack of belief in a god, or if you'd like, any supernatural being. So you see, atheists believe in many things, speaking for myself I always strive to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible by use of logic, reason and common sense. I believe in a lot of things, just not in a god.
@@TheTororist exactly, many people go to temples synagogues,churches and mosques and are empty in the faith department, they do it to fit in when in real sense they are no different from the atheists.
@@sammybore944 Thats a good start...at least you believe in something and not nothing. And by the way....not all people who believe in science have common sense.
It's easy to react negatively to this post perceiving lack of faith as a wrong or weakness. Maybe you're right. And maybe it's okay. To be sure, I have to ask, what is your understanding of faith?
Point of Correction, Christianity is not a religion, Christianity is the expression of God in flesh. But we do practice several religious activities such as visiting the old and sick, helping widows and orphans; this is what we call religion.
@@khalednegasipinto943 Well between the Bible and Oxford dictionary, which one is older? If you can answer that then you shouldn't beg for the difference.
@@itsabiud6477 Don't be obvious in your argument,Just because something is old doesn't make it accurate mate.We can go as back as Judaism and Hinduism, am pretty sure you wouldn't agree with any reference's pertaining anything just because of their archaism.Now the dictionary is the most accurate book to fetch definition's mate regardless of once beliefs.lmfao
I mean the thought of having no higher being is depressing. We like to think the good shall be rewarded and the bad shall get what they deserve. Keeps people in check
If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then, we are up for grabs for the next charlatan (political or religious) who comes rambling along.
The same people that enslaved and colonized them gave them the bible and the koran. As Malcolm X would say, "pick up on that". "They gave you the books and took the land/resources". Dr. John Henry Clarke. Now here comes the Chinese.
Alot of fables in the Bible and interpolations has failed most Christianity.I don't mean to offend but most Christians after actually reading and internalizing the Bible end up not practising,false prophets that go with it to exploit the ignorant blind followers,atheists or Muslims.
Atheists having this type of congregational nonsense to put down christians and religions is simply small minded. Being an athiest should be a sign of freedom, freedom from labels and boxes. You should be intelligent enough to understand that people who believe a GOd just dont know any better and love them anyway. Why waste time fighting them. The concept of a God is one of peace, love and order, the very things we need for a good stable society, if they want to believe let them, if they draw happiness from it let them. Thats why i dont like to be labeled as anything, i simply exist as myself, still discovering what this world has to offer but i am above certain things by now, i just see them differently but i love everyone that stands for love.
well said.... i myself am an aethist i do believe we have more problems than relegion but it doesn't mean i have to keep on fighting to prove a point,,, but one thing is for sure religion is bringing us back...that's for sure
God is in the anthem because Kenya is over 80% Christian. That means Kenya is a Christian nation. If we were 80% moslem, there would be no other religion practiced openly.
your statistics are fake. Muslims: Christians are now 50:50 in Kenya. Somalis make the highest percentage of muslims in Kenya followed by others. Most muslims especially of Somalis marry 4 wives and have many children whilst most Christians have family planning.
@@deepsea2141 wacha tungoje census results . It will be 80% Christian ,mark my words. If we were 50% moslem we would already be having counties under sharia law like Nigeria.
@@christinegakure882 the census results were secretly leaked and Somali turned out to be the second largest tribe after the luhya then followed by Kikuyus.
@@christinegakure882 i was a christian and i know very many people who say they are christians and even go to church just because they were born into christianity and nothing about actual belief and faith, in the future when there is less stigma about being atheist i believe people will not be afraid to say that they are not christians or muslims ... that 80% you are saying is just numbers on paper, reality on the ground is that many of us 'christians' are not actually that ... we just say so in order to avoid stigma and long conversations with people we don't want to have them with. i can only speak for christians because i was born in a christian family, if its the same with people of other religions then i believe collectively atheist may be even more than you think or what is written on paper.
For me I don't care if there is no god, if there if one god, a thousand gods or a million gods..What I care about is do you believe in a god brought to you by European, a god brought to you by Arabs or the god your ancestors used to worship
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I find it strange that depending on where you are born your god is the right one and all others are wrong
Ja there is only One True God JESUS CHRIST and No One can Change it.Everybody will give Account to him THE CREATOR.REPENT AND FEAR THE LORD WHO MADE YOU TO SEE ANOTHER DAY
@@millicentouma2324 Thanks for proving the point for the original comment.
@@crumbum2 hehe! never understod why you should fear your god! is Jesus christ God? or the son? or human just like the rest of us! we all are Gods children no matter the faith, we all come from the supreme Divine
Joel Ragen
Only fool's believe in he or she say and follow crowd's blindly...study read ask question's but always remember God isn't the author of confusion
@@kenthugge7445 The time to believe in a 'supreme divine' is when evidence for its existence is presented..........do you have any evidence for this claim?....
An African christian is an individual suffering from a type of Stockholm Syndrome.
'When logic and reason begin to feel like an insult, then know you are living a lie.'
~Aggrey 2019
You're the one suffering from that. Because if you did your research, you'd know most of the Bible is black ESP the old testament.
Even without that, you should atleast know from biology that Adam was black. We don't follow Christianity blindly.
So, before you go naming people, sit down and do your research.
Africans are Christian because of colonization. IF white ppl didn't take over Africa they'd most likely be Muslim.
@@lupdomnitor6192 partly true, partly not. First missionaries came before colonialism, in Kenya for instance. Johan Krapf and Rebman for instance came in 1840s a few years before colonialists.
Just like other aspects of culture, religion can spread without colonialism.
@@lupdomnitor6192 not necessarily Islams, maybe we would have something else. Christianity was way back before Islam
Before anything, before any religion, before tradition. We, believed in God. Adam, all through down to Noah were men of dark skin who lived here in Africa and as scientists call it, the cradle of mankind.
Don't fool yourselves that Christianity came with the white man, it was here all along. All the white man did was corrupt it.
Atheists STAND UP!
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Reading the Bible made me atheist.
That was the "traumatic" event.
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If you were to read the holy Qur'an you would have understood the real life of this world.
@@farhanhappy5895 😂😂 The Quran and Bible are related as their dogmas are both based on the Abrahamic origin so I doubt anything would have changed.
Random she...The bible was written by Paul and others writers. None in the verse comes from jesus. They're no gospel of jesus. None of the writers met jesus. The bible was written between 35-110 years after the death of jesus.
@@johnielcozaka6066 true
No one was born Christian or Muslim or Atheist, We chose... Our parents taught us so. Or from our Environment.
You sound like a fool
@@evansthiongo5785 you are a fool
evans thiongo From Your judgement, I Sound like one. But ain't one. Now continue judging
No we didn't choose,did our parents present all the religions to us for us to pick the one we desired?the answer is NO, we were assigned our parents religion.fact, if you were born in saudia,high chances are that you would be a muslim
@@hotep7942 Add the volume my guy
Religion began when fool met a con man.
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Am actually a kenyan and a proud atheist 🖤🖤🖤🖤 our beliefs should also be counted and not be called evil or devil worshippers I support you my friends🥰🥰continue fighting for our rights I'll join you in future
This guy is saying a secular life am like wtf is wrong with this guy is he crazy or sth
I left religion one year ago. Best decision in my life.
I am grateful for the good things Christianity taught me but it no longer works for me.
Rama Ken same
do not confuse God and religion when you learn to separate the two you will understand yourself more... Religion maybe fucked up but God is surely there as a supreme being
So sad 😢..I feel sorry for you..
Me too
@@MrBrian5597 hmm yes thank you for saying that it made me think and realize even more that they are different (not sarcastic)
How the heck is that guy a professional psychologist?
I think ktn cherry picked the guy
Good question
You are right!
Sigmund Freud, the father of psycolgy, used to say that religion is a collective psycosis
Dear KTN, what is the purpose of the clip showing police chasing down guys at 5:44 ? You make it look like the govenrment chased down Atheists at one time. That is not accurate and it is very poor journalism from your part, and you should feel bad.
hahaha last sentence though,,,they should feel bad
Lol, they better feel bad because you're very hurt.
I agree poor poor journalism.
U broke my ribs
hahaha, i tried to keep this to myself but someone noticed.
Why does this look like it was filmed in 2002?
Meen
right
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😂 144P 😂
Because it's Africa
THIS WOULDN'T MAKE NEWS IN CHINA AND JAPAN.
Even the European countries that brought the modern religion itself are generally atheistic and here we are defending it ni kama ni sisi tuliianza.
@Its . xdonnie it's a long way ahead... but we try to educate as many people as are willing. Thing is, most people aren't even open to discussion when it comes to religion. Are you in the AIK groups?
@@donivan3184 We are typical johnny come lately....ni trauma ndiyo tuko nayo.
Neither of those countries are religious.
As i always say. There are billions of pple in the world believing in different spiritual or non spiritual beings and still living a successful peaceful and happy life. Never be soo sure you are better than anyone.
I wonder why the least religious countries such as Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Japan, Germany, France have everything working out for them in terms of walfare and general societal wellness and the most religious countries in Africa and Asia are in full civil strive, conflict, hunger and the disease.
Majority of us Atheist are law abiding citizens, we live we love and are just normal people, not at war with anyone and respect all religions and there beliefs and are very open minded.
Majority of atheists just ask for one thing, Don't push religion on us, don't force us to act or believe in practices that we don't subscribe to.
Remember the life you have, ability to talk freely is from God whom ye deny
But because his mercies are forever abundant, he's still calling you today...
I've always wondered why the more religious a country is, the poorer it is. Scandinavian Countries are the least religious people but very rich, Africa and South America very religious but very poor
That counselling psychologist sounds like a first year drop out. he should show us his papers
i thought so too
THAT GUY LOOKS LIKE HE BOUGHT ALL HIS TEST ANSWERS, CARRIED CHEAT SHEETS TO THE EXAM-ROOMS AND STILL GOT PASS!!!HAHAHAHAHA!!!
I'm not an atheist but I say that religious freedom is enshrined in the constitution. If someone wants to be an atheist, it's their right and they should not face any persecution. At the same time, the Kenyan Atheists should not force their ideology down people's throats.Don't try to get religious studies banned as that will tarnish you're reputation.
I’m gland to see my fellow sane Kenyans. Cheers from Mozambique
White god is the worst mistake to happen to Africa
@@diablo75taurus4 The issue with atheists is not their rejection of the existence of a white God, but the rejection of the existence of a higher being. Incidentally, the so called white God (ie God for whites) is not white at all. The biblical God is Jewish rather than white and true Jews have never been and are not white.
@@diablo75taurus4 so true! though it was not a mistake but an accomplished agenda of confusing (check 'religare' etymology) and disenchanting the African Mind...
U r not gland.u r glad hahahaha
@@chekaburetv2352 at least he tried. They speak Portuguese in Mozambique
Knock knock...
Who is there?
It's me, Jesus, let me in...
Why?
So I can save you.
From what?
What I will do to you if you don't let me in.
What will he do😱??
@@feizcodm9910 send you to hell🔥🔥
What's hell explain please as a religious Christian
@@feizcodm9910 I am not. Read the sarcasm.
Hey if God made Jesus sin so he could die on your behalf so you wouldn't have to end up in hell.... What makes you think you'll get away with it. Having refused that substitute
Proud 19 year old atheist with a Catholic father and Anglican Mother.....bite me
@n c I was born without religon, only peace
just like you
Religion, the most dangerous tragedy ever to enslave mankind. Thankfully, the awakening is finally with us.
Good question. What about our traditional religions ?
Your traditional religions came after you(as in we, the black people throwing out hand at God)
We believed in God before the gospel was brought to us, and before our traditions.
Look at the Bible, the old testament, is mostly based in Africa. The garden of Eden is right here in Africa.
Don't believe what the white man teaches
@@truetohim3366 There is no Garden of Eden. The myth is based on the fertile crescent in Mesopotamia, where the Jews who wrote the books in the Bible came from. Wacha kujichocha na ma myths na fables.
They don't care they taught that our ancestors where devils worshippers so they are in hell we don't have even to remember them because they are now ghosts but guess what they dead ancestors are Saints and u have to travel to Israel and Mecca to pray at their cemetery, teh teh
There is a difference between spirituality and religion
God of war is a demon in Christian understanding
God of fertility is an angel in Christian understanding
They stole our concepts and developed the devil angel Satan God religion to manipulate us. They don't understand their own Bible and their pastors don't know shit other than the crap they were taught to regurgitate in Bible schools
Personally, I do not believe in a supreme being, but I also don't fight those who hold a different opinion. We are all one race after all-human race-and that's what is important.
yeah ur right humanity comes first the rest is bullshit
Me and you buddy
you just quoted Acts 17
What we miss is conflating religion with our other ways of life like politics. Keep your religion to yourself. I will stay away with my ungodly like persona. Christianity and all manner of religion are responsible for half the atrocities this world has seen. Religion was made to be an opium of the masses. Prove me otherwise.
There are better ways to bring someone to the light rather than despising them. We should not focus on what separates us. "Humanity" surpasses our personal beliefs.
This Osoro guy cannot be a trained psychologist from a reputable University.....to called Atheism a pyschological problem is a travesty to humanity🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
i just came down to have a look at the comment section war zone
🤣🤣🤣that makes us two
Thanos The FARMER makes four lolest
I love the logic of using the "holy book" to prove the "holy book" is true.
Only they see the easy,comfy logic in that!!
Harrison is one of the few intelligent black man
he can not even offer his six kids with different mothers the basic of a two parent home, what good is his intelligence?
Intelligence resulting to stupidity
That is quite racist.
@@memeverse9000 atheism is false
@@maxmudxareed1345 aTHeIsM iS fAlSE, anD mY iMMAgiNArY fRiENd iS rEaL gerrarahia
I used to be militant and evangelical in my atheism and its promotion. But you get such dirty looks and judgmental eyes. These days I just mind my business and respect your beliefs, as long as you respect my lack of belief. I'm glad Africans are slowly waking
Yeah at least now we are starting
Am Christian but religion is pulling africa down
i love how a member of the catholic church says that atheists have done worse sins.
dennis kirimi 🤣🤣
and they deny the fact that the countries were atheist are a majority the living standard are the better and the human rights are more respected.
Kenyan politicians and religious leaders are far worse than this atheists kanisa Siku hizi ni kukula pesa, just last week a bishop charged for defiling 12 yr old girl,and this bishops/pastors are sick in one way or another,let others condemn atheists since kenyan religious leaders are far worse hiding behind God
Religion is a scam. Those who believe in it cannot justify why they do. Believe in logic, science and common sense.
I dont follow your line of thought. Are you categorizing politicians as atheists or theists?
Proud patriotic Kenyan atheist over here!
Same here
It's the FEAR of being SKEPTICAL that makes us CLEVER FOOLS
The issue I have with atheist is that they make fun of people's beliefs.. On the other hand, organised religion is the source of most of the troubles this world faces
I identify as Christians but organised religion is just as bad. Heard the way the pastor talked about the atheists. I mean we live in a liberal society why not allow everyone to worship whatever they want
I agree; religious education in Kenya needs to be revised from it's current focus of indoctrination to either scrapping the subject altogether or focusing on the role religion in world history - both good & bad,this is more informative & honest education
wewe atheist tutakuchoma!
It's said 'Ignorance is bliss'
@@Mumbi.G Who sent you to give this rebellion message? The antiChrist? Ongea ukweli
@@Mumbi.G I was just kidding, I don't believe in this shit about Christ saving nobody. How do you deal with the ridicule and hate as an atheist in the midst of such a strong Christianity base? I mean like where you live. Hiding your true opinion or?
That “Psychologist” needs to have his license questioned. The amount of bias & personal projection is insane.
Exactly
Apart from reading the bible, do pastors/priests read any other book? If a man argues against the bible, why do priests/pastors use the same book to oppose the atheists' arguments? Do they have any other evidence? Secondly, we only knew of the bible when the whites came in 1800s; before we accepted it, did we question about its validity? Do you want to say our great grandfathers who died and were not aware of it, were fools? What if we are reading and believing in the wrong thing? Africans amaze me. Wewe saa hizi mtu akuletee kitu akwambie this thing will solve these problems, will you just accept it without questioning? Same to the bible and christianity, as well as Islam, why do we believe in these things and we did not have them in the past? These are the reasons we are consumers, and we will not create anything. We believe we are weak and incapable.
God commanded in Numbers 31:17-18 for the Israelites to:
“Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”
You can bet your bottom dollar no pastor would ever preach this verse from the pulpit to his congregation because he knows that, God’s word or not, the parents in his congregation who have “female children” would tar and feather him before running him out of town on a rail if he got within 20 books of this verse.
You sound like the rich young man who knew what he was to do but unfortunately didn't
And you are an Adventist who should be showing the world the light.... Do you think if your grand father or mother don't study the bible the rest of the grandfathers also din't?
Our God is a just God, he will judge everyone by the light which he has received. And the devil is also canning, we have the bibles and he can't let us study it.....
I wish you would think again on your point
Why do you guys still use the Bible to present your arguments? Why don't you use any other evidence? You guys are limited. Open up your minds! We did not have the bible in our societies.
@@kenyanadventureman2988 Exactly. I love your point. Hizi zimtu ni ng'ombe kabisaaa. to your point about validity, I've tried a lot to show them how there are various huge contradictions, then try to tell them it can't be God's words while having all those discrepancies. When they see they're cornered that way, they resort to all sorts of funny answers. Or evasion or they quote other verses from the same bible to justify their god, circular thinking. This shit is a cult, and I'm worried.
@@kenyanadventureman2988 Then to add to your point of our African forefathers btwn 0 to 1800 AD. They knew no Jesus, are they burning in hell? 'Because this came in 1800 and 'Jesus' had already declared that he's the only way to heaven. meaning they'd been locked out. Funny crazy shit.
God exists.. its religion that is manmade.
Joe Mbuchi pwaaahaaahaa
Exactly both atheists and religious people are deluded.
True
If you believe there's a God,don't you think he'd send a multitude of people to their own people and civilizations speaking their own tongue and accent,teaching them about how to deal with this confusion of life and how we should deal with each other and His creation,I'm just asking.
@@abu_bakr7518 Religion is fundamental in promoting ethics and peace in any cultural setting. Im sure in the pre-colonial period, Africans had a supreme being. Human culture and civilization can never survive without religion. The constitution itself mimics the holy book. You need to understand that human culture have curses, taboos and punishments to limit the wrong extremes that the human race is capable of doing. culture also promotes good behavior. Politics and leadership could have never been possible without a social structure, All that couldnt be possible if there was no religion. Therefore, we need to understand the value of religion in our lives, but its not necessary to be extreme fanatics of it.. in my opinion of course.
Psalms 14:1.. Some of the most charitable people in the world are athiest
Lmfao you can tell this reporter is a Christian. We atheists, haven't declared a war on religion. We just want to stop having religion shoved down our throats everywhere we turn. We do live in a secular country after all.
@Mwaniki Mwaniki I agree
"There are two types of people in this world, those who bend their knees and say: God your will be done, and the other type that God says to them : Let your will be done!" C.W. Lewis
Except Im neither of those so......wtf?
Questioning religion is taking Wanjiru's lifeline away. She won't go down easy
I’m glad the awakening is here no body can STOP the consciousness logic Movement!!!De -colonizing the mindset and Discernment is the key to make Africa great again !
Doubtful that Africa can ever be great again, it is too fractured and lawless.
crumbum2 Africa is waking up from all the shackles it’s been through just give it time it’s the next frontier!!so many great things happening!!
crumbum2 there are different levels of consciousness. People wake up at different times. Some 'wake' up at 3am some wake up 8 am and others are still sleeping right now hahaa. My point is, we as Africans should give it time.
I agree, there is no God, at least not that God, not really, because the Christian God, contrary to his own commandments, is fashioned in the graven image of a pertanal beneficent authoritarian Tyrant, and
It's easy to fall into the religious trap. It's there prepared, institutionalized in the synagogues, Protestant churches, catholics, in schools. We are born into a Christian family, we grow in a Christian society that segregates and demonizes people who do not share in its own opinions. You see It's not really a personal choice, it's a choice made for you and maintained through fear.
But if you are intelligent, and you understand that you are intelligent, then YOU cannot be the result of a mechanical and meaningless universe! YOU as an apature through which the universe observes itself cannot be a mere fluke. Teleos proposes in its approach to the existence of god that: the complexity and accuracy of physical reality , cannot be of mere chance but by intelligent design. However you must be very careful, because you might make an unwarranted jump: the jump to a conclusion that the consciousness behind the design, is the biblical God, be very careful, because if God exists,
SHE must be BLACK.
Of course space is black, in death it is black, before the universe, in the abyss of nothingness, it was black and it is from this deep unfathomable darkness that the universe and life emerge to display its creative and destructive aspects because it's is from most things destroyed that new ones come forth.
I'd say, to conclude, my years search for god, that you are God and God is you, the I am, US! God(not yahweh or Allah) is everything that is, evidenced by the design in nature and the universe .
Inspired by Allan watts, promoting ATHEISM IN THE NAME OF GOD.
@@Cocoa_nutz absolutely I agree with you 💯💯we are spiritual beings
Proud member here
likewise
Interesting perspectives!
@@cb8496 haha I wonder how.
11:56 A man who has produced absolutely nothing in his life.
One Day I hope the people of Kenya will wake up and see the reality of the world they live in
They will eventually
Coastal Kenyans embraced Islam after Arabs conquered and enslaved them and told them they were savages in worshipping their ancestors. Central and Western Kenyans embraced Christianity after Europeans conquered and enslaved them and told them they were savages in worshipping their ancestors. So basically you acquired the religion of where you were born from. I'd rather continue worshipping my African ancestors rather than worship a being that has been forced upon me by my master.
All in all every religion is man-made and forcing someone to have a religion is a stupid idea
The narrator is very poor...
THESE "JOURNALISTS" ALWAYS FORGET TO ADD "30 YEARS SERVING THE LORD AND COLLECTING BILLIONS FROM DELUDED KENYANS"
Who said Jesus was white... Thats confuses me
There is God even without religion. God is not in religion. You can be religionless but God is there.
Do you evidence that can prove beyond doubt?
Remember God does not need us we need him
AMEN
Wonder why he created us in the first place
@@TheTororist relax and let Hollywood entertain you...you will know why you were created when you die...you won't be asking them stupid questions then
@@bestronginthelord5413 really? my soul is calm now. i thught nobody was looking out for me but thank hollywood!! the jews who run that place must have really big hearts!!
@@TheTororist what is your point ?
I better live my life fully believing and serving God knowing that he lives. Better die a believer to find that there is no God than die a sinner only to find that there's God.
Ask these atheists one question, what do they find disgusting in the bible?? Which biblical teaching do makes them hurt so much????
If God exists, its because we created him in our brains
White Jesus is a lie....religion killed Africa long time
True
If we had a choice, I think we would not create God so no, I think He exists because He exists.
@@wanjikuboro1132 what do you mean if we had a choice? The uncertainty of not knowing where we came from made us create a god in our brains. Humans hate being uncertain about things.
@@esirkings4191 Seeing as in human beings brains, God is the cause of all evil in the world yet we owe Him our lives, why would we create Him? Why would we create a being to whom we owe complete allegiance? Were He our servant, it would make more sense to say we created Him but seeing as we are to worship Him, that He expects us to be accountable of our actions, that we are to be Loyal to Him, to serve Him...it makes zero sense to claim that He is our creation
I do not believe what they believe in,but I support their right to believe in what they believe in.
Kenya is a secular state. Persecuting them is illegal and morally against what we claim to believe in.
I really respect that, i also am ready to protect theists right to believe if it ever gets treathened. In my coyntry.
I want my son to do GOOD because it's GOOD. Not because there's some guy watching him from the sky with threats of eternal condemnation. All religious people are scared to face life without something to believe in and attribute their existence to.
Religion should be a personal thing. Do it at home. It shouldn't be endorsed by the government, especially in a multi-cultural or a multi-religious society because people are gonna disagree. The majority shouldn't be the dictator. The minorities should be protected.
Sometimes things need to be said, and fights need to be fought even if they are unpopular. To the closeted atheists, you are not alone, and you deserve equality!
What is not in contention is that Harison Mumia has really united the religious groups which often attack each others doctrines. Each of these groups consider those that do not believe in their own doctrine as lost and not believing in the authentic deity. Different christian sects cannot even agree on the true day of worship. Never have muslims and christians been in so much solidarity in a topic. Good job Harison
Somebody tell that archbishop that atheist are not only in Kenya.
That dude is actually a psychologist? *facepalm*
Sid Kamadi 😂😂😂 very clueless
Am an atheist,religion produces very funny material for us to laugh at
Well it's not about religion it about a relationship with your creator
There is no creator
@@beproudofyourself.3876 What do you believe in? and who is the creator?
@@davemwangi05 John chapter 1 verse 1 says in the begging was the word and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD , Genesis chapter 1 says in the begging the spirit of GOD was moving over the waters this spirit is the word according to John 6:63 Jesus quotes and says this words that I speak to you are spirit and life, so we see that the word of GOD is a spirit and GOD himself is a spirit read John 4:1-42 Jesus says that GOD is a spirit, Bro my belief has a foundation,, the Bible isn't just a book I would have believed in some other book but why did I cling in the word of God because it's truth. Well maybe you haven't read the Bible I would advice you to kneel down first pray and ask GOD to reveal himself to you and I assure you as you continue reading the word of God, GOD will open your eyes and you will change your views concerning the existence of GOD.
@@beproudofyourself.3876 any other verifiable evidence to support your reading?
Why use an entrance to SDA, their logo, and music inside, as well and immediately change the Frame of Reference to ACK cathedral. Plus, Sunday is not just the only day honoured by Christians.
i also noticed,the reporter is biased
I noticed that as well!
@@hansenbeka8092 Quite true, but I think he is more ignorant than biased. He just doesnt know enough.
I'm a Nigerian living in Nigeria.
I wish to some day start this awareness in Nigeria.
If you do. I’ll support you cuz I’m tired of pretending to be a Christian in Nigeria
@@da_vi_da Its not everywhere here in Kenya. I will definitely be outcasted by my immediate society. I cant miss church without questions.
I’m surprised they mentioned Hinduism although it has a small following in Kenya. But I think that whatever path you’re born into doesn’t set your path. You have the freedom to choose whether to be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, or atheist. No path should be condemned.
Why don't they open their own schools and not attack the curriculum of schools built and funded by religious institutions....
Yes
Joan koome churches build schools to hide the fact that they milk billions from desperate Kenyans
Public schools are built and ran by taxpayers' money. I am an Atheist and a taxpayer. Why shouldn't I have a say on public school curriculum?
@@sammybore944 Resssswaaaa
I mean devilish
Worathiz....
Some pipol i can see they are reasoning like real fools
Lmao
These atheists know exactly what they are doing! They'll never quench the fire of the holy spirit.
The mind, governed by the flesh is hostile to GOD, it does not submit to GOD's law, nor neither can it do so. Romans 8:7
Sister please join me in letting humanity accept and belive in the existence of Our Almighty GOD,
Then who wrote this "Romans" teh teh
Thats true
Romans? Wtf. At least quote something from your ancestor
That verse just goes to show how bad the Christian institution wants you to conform to its dogmas,
It's using redicule and fear to induce your obidience.
Don't be sheep.
I grew up as a staunch and religious young man, but as of now I am so disgusted by religious practices, I wish sometimes my neo-cortex brain never developed so fast. Between when you in a certain level of enlightenment you tolerate everyone, gays, lesbians, Christians, Muslims, atheists because you know each person is evolving differently and God is universal. God is not tribal and is inside us all.
A lot of atheists, if you ask me, are people who have been seeking God and are in a journey of continuing to seek Him. They will eventually find God.
Sure
Hahaaa so where was god during slavery
No
Stop making people fit your box
@@olaibon No one is trying to make anyone fit anywhere.
I believe of existence of a supreme being whom gives life and must be holied but don tell me about christian,muslim,hinduism...etc
Africans must find their identity and where we come from.
Voodoo
100% we are together ma friend Kongole
Same boat here. I've discovered bantu are Israelites
This myth that Christianity is un-African must die. Africans in the bible are very prominent e.g. Solomon's lover is described as 'black and beautiful'(Song of Solomon 1:5). African royalty include the extremely powerful queen Kandanke(Acts 8 : 27) who was Queen Mother of Nubia, a powerful nation in what is now Sudan.Pharaoh Tirhakah who came to the aid of Hezekiah (2 Kg 19:9; Is 37:9) has statues that STILL clearly show his African features. Ebed-Melek, a tactical advisor of the king, is identified as a Cushite four times (Jer 38:7, 10, 12; 39 : 16). And many many more examples exist.
Both sides failing to drive their point home. Archbishop assumes aethists aren't genuine, maybe they are (I'm not saying they're right, they could be wrong) but let's not assume they only want publicity.
Mumia saying that the afterlife belief has no evidence... Things don't need to have known evidence to be true. Evidence and facts maybe unknown to us, that doesn't make something false, it only makes you unaware of truth...
whatever can be asserted without evidence, can as well be dismissed without evidence
@@bakarisagna554 nice one.
It's down to belief/faith (without evidence many atimes) for us Christians 🤔
Has anyone gone to the afterlife and come back to tell?
@@Tunawesmake You are honest.
@@bakarisagna554 yup
If there is nothing god cannot do, then let him come to my living room and have tea with me.
you think God is a puppet ?
@@bestronginthelord5413 I think he can't do anything even existing
@@iwrotethis4712 he is already doing things...only you can't see because you have cast him out of your heart....you think we as believers are crazy when we say He exists... wait for a while and you will meet your Creator, that's when you'll know He exists
@@bestronginthelord5413 tell him to fck off
You take the cake!
I don't have an issue with them believing a flea..or not believing anything..but they should leave us who believe in God alone..they can believe what they believe..and let us believe what we believe..the word God removed from national anthem is subject to majority referendum...if they can convince more kenyans then they can have their day..until then God remains in our anthem..
At least they shouldn't force neither us nor our kids to study the shit we don't believe in.
Numbers 31:17-18 “Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”
keep believing, oh boy your'e in a cult
God is a source of morals. But no, it turns out that he's the source of #pedophilia and # misogyny slavery etc
when you preach door to door, don't leave such verses else leave others alone too. dont preach.
@@davemwangi05 the issue is ..believe what u believe and let others choose what they believe...so like I said atheist can chose to believe or not believe..I dont care what they believe..but let them not have an issue with what we believe ...I dont harm anyone by believing the God of the bible..
As a Muslim I do believe that everybody was born as a Muslim but everyone decides what to practice and how to practice, to be frank understanding this statement will be extremely difficult for so many people to realize and get perfect perspectives.
Everybody is born an Atheist (without belief), then indoctrination starts as per the dominant dellusions (religiousity) in your geographical area.
According to your statement you're definitely an atheist and nobody respects you that way at all.
@@farhanhappy5895 Religion teaches you hate, so I already know. You are not anything close to a moral being if you have to be threatened by eternal fire to be moral.
But hate is taught, and religion is what teaches you so much hate.
@@farhanhappy5895 that's how you educate people in your religion? By insulting them....
Kenya mashetani ni wengi , wale wa kuunga mkono mapenzi ya jinsia moja na wale wa kusema hakuna Mungu , Kweli shetani he's really challenging
Dear Atheists, imagine God will never force you to believe in Him. He's not manipulative, He's Love. So you can be disagreeable, you can prove His inexistence all you want. He will never force Himself on you. So It's pointless to make all these points. Those who believe in Him (like I do) will continue to do so regardless. Thank you, as you were.
This shouldn't be a debate. If you don't acknowledge the existence of God, well and good. If you believe, well and good. Live yours leave mine!
God is real but has no religion
Their is God .2017 I was involved in a turbulence dats where I saw God's hands
Those hands are they white or black
This is ridiculous 😂😂😂
I would like to know bcoz I have never seen gods hand
Yes there is God, I am always being touched by The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@Sylvia Abuor there is a possibility you were hallucinating
Theism tells men that they are the slaves of a God. Atheism assures men that they are the investigators and users of nature.
-- Emanuel Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of Atheism" (rev. C. Walker, 2001)
As a born again Christian, if I may ask, if as atheist say, there is no God. Then in that sense a Christian should be believing in nothing, so why are they very concerned with those who believe in nothing?
It goes to show that deep down their hearts, the subject of God's person & His existence has never abandoned them to joy and peace therefore such an individual must seek a reinforcing view from without. Otherwise the reasoning that there is no God should have left them at ease. That is why scripture says in Acts 10:36 _there's peace with God through Christ, who is Lord of all.
Atheists are concerned with the religious because the religious often try to pass laws and adopt bigotry based on the doctrine of their religion. This often infringes on the rights of people who aren't part of the dominant religion.
@@garrettmurray5611 the area of difference is that with the Christian faith & not religion, there's absolutes. I think that's the crux of the matter.
The disbelief in absolutes especially moral absolutes is the fuel behind seeking this rights that won't be infringed upon.
I did not understand your question, but (A) in atheism means without, so by definition atheism is the lack of belief in a god, or if you'd like, any supernatural being. So you see, atheists believe in many things, speaking for myself I always strive to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible by use of logic, reason and common sense. I believe in a lot of things, just not in a god.
@@garrettmurray5611 you just described a democracy...
Atheists are not against all Gods because they cant go against something that do not exist
Yep, at the end of the day you need faith to believe in God, which probably they don't have.
We have faith. We have faith in science and common sense. We don't need imaginary friends.
You also need faith to believe in Allah, Shiva, Buddha, Santa clause, the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy
@@TheTororist exactly, many people go to temples synagogues,churches and mosques and are empty in the faith department, they do it to fit in when in real sense they are no different from the atheists.
@@sammybore944 Thats a good start...at least you believe in something and not nothing. And by the way....not all people who believe in science have common sense.
It's easy to react negatively to this post perceiving lack of faith as a wrong or weakness. Maybe you're right. And maybe it's okay. To be sure, I have to ask, what is your understanding of faith?
Point of Correction, Christianity is not a religion, Christianity is the expression of God in flesh. But we do practice several religious activities such as visiting the old and sick, helping widows and orphans; this is what we call religion.
Well the Oxford dictionary begs to differ.
@@khalednegasipinto943 Well between the Bible and Oxford dictionary, which one is older? If you can answer that then you shouldn't beg for the difference.
@@itsabiud6477 Don't be obvious in your argument,Just because something is old doesn't make it accurate mate.We can go as back as Judaism and Hinduism, am pretty sure you wouldn't agree with any reference's pertaining anything just because of their archaism.Now the dictionary is the most accurate book to fetch definition's mate regardless of once beliefs.lmfao
@@khalednegasipinto943 The scripture cannot be broken.
Humans just have the urge to believe there is a supreme being
I mean the thought of having no higher being is depressing. We like to think the good shall be rewarded and the bad shall get what they deserve. Keeps people in check
Yes but if u think about it how did everything we seeing in nature came into being??Nothing comes out of nothing if u really think deeply about it.
@@nelsonkiiru7252 the same thought is posed back to you, for such a being to have a precise detail in design, where did he/she come from?
@@bonfacewahome6468 Another mystery we will never know in this life time.
If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then, we are up for grabs for the next charlatan (political or religious) who comes rambling along.
I'm so proud of Kenyan atheists
The same people that enslaved and colonized them gave them the bible and the koran. As Malcolm X would say, "pick up on that". "They gave you the books and took the land/resources". Dr. John Henry Clarke. Now here comes the Chinese.
I have evidence that God is real
Define evidence, then present your evidence...
LOL
@@rxa-z1124 haha...
Tell us
Alot of fables in the Bible and interpolations has failed most Christianity.I don't mean to offend but most Christians after actually reading and internalizing the Bible end up not practising,false prophets that go with it to exploit the ignorant blind followers,atheists or Muslims.
It’s true ,religion has slow our development
What triggers atheism is intelligence and not some traumatic event.
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Atheists having this type of congregational nonsense to put down christians and religions is simply small minded. Being an athiest should be a sign of freedom, freedom from labels and boxes. You should be intelligent enough to understand that people who believe a GOd just dont know any better and love them anyway. Why waste time fighting them. The concept of a God is one of peace, love and order, the very things we need for a good stable society, if they want to believe let them, if they draw happiness from it let them. Thats why i dont like to be labeled as anything, i simply exist as myself, still discovering what this world has to offer but i am above certain things by now, i just see them differently but i love everyone that stands for love.
well said.... i myself am an aethist i do believe we have more problems than relegion but it doesn't mean i have to keep on fighting to prove a point,,, but one thing is for sure religion is bringing us back...that's for sure
God is in the anthem because Kenya is over 80% Christian. That means Kenya is a Christian nation. If we were 80% moslem, there would be no other religion practiced openly.
your statistics are fake. Muslims: Christians are now 50:50 in Kenya. Somalis make the highest percentage of muslims in Kenya followed by others. Most muslims especially of Somalis marry 4 wives and have many children whilst most Christians have family planning.
that shows its a matter of which side is superior to the other not jst believing in god
@@deepsea2141 wacha tungoje census results . It will be 80% Christian ,mark my words. If we were 50% moslem we would already be having counties under sharia law like Nigeria.
@@christinegakure882 the census results were secretly leaked and Somali turned out to be the second largest tribe after the luhya then followed by Kikuyus.
@@christinegakure882 i was a christian and i know very many people who say they are christians and even go to church just because they were born into christianity and nothing about actual belief and faith, in the future when there is less stigma about being atheist i believe people will not be afraid to say that they are not christians or muslims ... that 80% you are saying is just numbers on paper, reality on the ground is that many of us 'christians' are not actually that ... we just say so in order to avoid stigma and long conversations with people we don't want to have them with. i can only speak for christians because i was born in a christian family, if its the same with people of other religions then i believe collectively atheist may be even more than you think or what is written on paper.
The religious texts are the most potent tool promoting atheist invented
Their has to be a creator because nothing comes from nothing
But a GOD who is capable of evil is not my cup of tea
Fine then ,who created the creator if nothing comes from nothing?
For me I don't care if there is no god, if there if one god, a thousand gods or a million gods..What I care about is do you believe in a god brought to you by European, a god brought to you by Arabs or the god your ancestors used to worship
You have a point.
Our culture of determinism and self starts there. .