Man City allegations explained: Conspiracies, lies and appeals
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- Manchester City have been charged with over 100 alleged breaches of Premier League regulations dating back to the 2009/10 season. But what happens next? And how long could the process actually take? Matt Slater and Sam Lee join Mark Chapman to explain a complicated and ever-changing story...
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00:00 The allegations
04:40 Man City's view
8:35 How long could this take?
10:41 The timing
13:20 Dishonesty and conspiracies
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Swindon Town got religated two divisions for a fraction of the financial ilegularities that Man C are being accused of.
The word interesting here is "accused" they haven`t been found guilty of anything yet people are getting too giddy here including the clubs that instigated it.
@@brianshockledge3241shut tf
City cooked the books ; their crypto currency sponsor which allegedly bought in 20 mill doesn’t even exist
Likewise they fakes so many sponsors & pumped money illegally
@@krish4246 The crypto currency deal is a new one and has no bearing on the time frame allegations but nice try.
@@brianshockledge3241 What's more interesting is that they're accused for HUNDRED+ different things. Not just few irregularities.
@@Qlicky Yes it`s took them 4yrs to come up with this list from non co-operation to their own execution to the grass at the Etihad being to long. Obviously took a lot of thought and planning from utd, lpool, arsenal, spurs...I mean the FA.
Matt Slater is such an informative guy, seen him on a few channels now giving a great insight into the internal affairs of clubs and league associations. Great video.
Didn’t they only escape UEFA on a technicality? UEFA filed too late so it got dismissed. So they “beat it” by dragging it out, which can’t happen with the English FA.
All of those time-sensitive charges weren't even adjudicated. CAS went over all of uefa charges and didn't find any evidence of financial doping. City were fined for not cooperating with the initial uefa investigation.
@saewha ah yes, the media conspiracy. In reality, if you know about law (especially commercial), you'd know you can pay for top lawyers to get you off the vast majority of charges. And City have that money and did that
they gonna end up cooperating and make EFA look stupid and gain more power over them,
Lad if you city fan even remotely believe that you lot have more sponsorship deal than Madrid and Manchester United then you lot are clueless. They have definitely cooked books.
No, that's not what happened. An element of the case was time barred so wasn't even looked at but no findings were ever made on that part of it. It was just ignored. Everything under review turned up in city's favour though with UEFA unable to produce any convincing evidence for any of the allegations made. UEFA relied on emails that were also proven to be doctored in parts etc. UEFA failed abysmally to prove any of it after all their bluster, I wouldn't have been surprised to see City beat them on the time barred stuff too
Oil money gives them leverage whether it’s in the oversight of their club or litigation. Sadly there will be no justice I reckon,but I hope I am wrong.
Will be no surprise that nothing will happen to Man City.
@@PsychedelicCasual Hi. Thanks for the comment. I hope your right. Yet, whatever the outcome, our clubs need to look at what they are spending. My own club United as well. Yet, fans want the most expensive player now, instead of nurturing talent.
I like how Sam Lee as a man city correspondent can tell us with so much certainty the level of sincerity in the man city hierarchy statements (hint its always 100% sincere) "Thats not a distraction technique that's how they genuinely feel " oh come on Sam!
If you think Sam lee is biased then I don't know what to tell you. Not even ready to hear other pov. BTW Sam Lee is a united fan and city have tried their best to keep him out of city's infrastructure (He wasn't allowed to cover the trophy celebration physically)
@@TheDragonballzyo1 Mate, Sam Lee stopped supporting years ago. He was raised as a United fan but now he is a City man. His family still support United though.
@@anotheryoutubeuser He said in a tweet 6 months back that he is a united fan
@@TheDragonballzyo1 I just checked his Twitter and in a tweet from just a few days back he says he doesn't support any PL club.
Here is the tweet from February 5 in full: "Not that I have a club but Simeone would be in the bracket of ‘love them, hate the football’ 100%. Would enjoy the show, however."
@@anotheryoutubeuser Here you go, So when people ask me what it’s like to cover City but support United, the only ‘conflict’ these days is that City’s football is better
They won't take trophies off them because it's too far gone now but points deductions, relegation, transfer ban and huge fines are the more likely outcomes.
How do you know that for a fact?
Why is it too far gone? Some people get Olympic medals from years ago taken from them
Frankly not taking trophies off of them says that you can cook the books and cheat for a decade and win titles and glory and in the end it won't matter other than getting a slap on the wrist as a write-off expense
@@Mr.Monta77 because of the 11 men on the pitch winning.
@@seasonedbeefs That is hardly relevant in a case of financial fair play and double bookkeeping etc.
The reason premier League took action is only because they don't want an independent regulator snooping around at what dodgy stuff alot of prem clubs are doing now. So they needed to make an example of the biggest cheat to stop the regulators coming in.
guys, when theyre on the zoom call, invest in a decent mic for them all, and then get them to record it on there seperately, then they can send them off and you guys can sinc it up. Woud make listening so much more pleasant.
We know what will happen, they will hire the most expensive lawyers and nothing will happen.... Same for PSG by the way. PSG's chairman even got a major position within UEFA....
Is Premier League under UEFA
@@mimikolomamu no FA.
WHO???
Only plastic fans believe City will get away with it! Of course they are guilty and deservedly punished pretty soon!
@@aryan.4855 Then why is he giving UEFA examples?
Some of the charges alledge payment issues from 2009. That's ridiculous!
Why has it taken so long for the PL, FA, Uefa & Fifa to take action?
Because Football is bent. The west is too scared to get tough with the east because we rely on their oil. Man city ethically have destroyed English football and the premier league has sold its soul.
From submitting the allegation date, FA only tracks back six years.
Because of Limitation ACT 1980.
Where stated:
' Time limit for actions founded on tort.
An action founded on tort shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.
I am not wanting to look like am defending city,but does this mean the status quo will always stay the same?how will a smaller club ever get and stay at the top if they can only invest what they earn?(talking from a championship team fan perspective)
That's the whole point. Peasants should stay down and never rise.
@@hmutandadzi Peasants? its not like we are talking about Colchester , they are also owned by a group who have ridiculous wealth. The notion that this is "the little guy" getting stamped on is Bullshit. Chelsea were sanctioned for financial BS, are they "the little guy"? (no...no they are not)
@@jacksmith4460 Chelsea were transfer banned for signing a 14 year old. Sanctioned last year due to Roman’s links to the Russian government.
Only organically.
you can invest in your club just not lie about it.
A bit weird that you’ve not researched this well enough to know why and how City escaped CAS punishment previously
It’s not really, The Athletic are designed for midwits who don’t know anything other than how to morally grandstand or pretending to be intelligent.
Real research and competent understanding are not required to satiate those intellectual appetites 👍🏻
You probably got the reasons by listening to Simon Jordan 😆
Please do tell us lawyer and accountant with documents and proof 😁
It's The Athletic. All of their journalists have a second job in a supermarket.
Knowledge is 🔋 power.
If even 20% are true I hope City have the book thrown at them. Financial doping since Abromovic arrived has ruined the excitement and unpredictability of the game
You mean the unpredictability before Abramovich arrived when Man Utd won 8 titles in 11 years
@@TheBake1986 unpredictibility in the sense that all it took was one special manager and the whole league could change regardless of finances. Eras are normal - but if you can just buy anyone it clamps down on clubs being able to progress out of nowhere. Look at Arsenal under Wenger in the 90s/00s - minimal spend and suddenly competing again after a drought. Blackburn with Shearer. Newcastle coming 2nd. The last 15 yrs or so the correlation between money and league finish has been hand in hand
you feeling alright? when did you start watching football. before this united dominated the premier league.
@@TheKhela89 Thing is it's always been that way.
@@faizanhussain8810 based on merit and the revenue the club generated. Not financial doping.
One of my only criticisms of The Athletic is the journalists for specific clubs (or reporters or correspondents etc) are also fans of that said club.
I'm an LFC Fan but listening to James Pearce putting an LFC Spin on things just rings wrong with me. Same with Sam Lee here, who (however hard he may try) is still spinning 'City'
Couldn't disagree more
I thought Sam lee supported Man Utd?
Sam Lee is a United fan. Just covers City so knows about the club
Sam Lee is actually a Man United fan :)
Sam Lee supports united you divvy
Chapman picking his nose and biting his nails really elevated this clip to the level of infuriating.😡
He who is without sin , let them cast the first stone. If City's books are to be so heavily scrutinized , then every clubs books need to be scrutinized in exactly the same way, think you'd see a few rats scurrying back into their so rightous holes then.
these aren't allegations they are charges
They’re being charged based on allegations
@@ardynites1733 WHAT!? Dont be daft! They now have proof! Charges based on proof! Not charges based on allegations! Its a shitshow if its just allegations and charges based on allegations! youre not that idiot city fan that phoned in on talksport are ya!!?
@@ardynites1733 no. They are being charged based on a 4 year investigation!
@@netcalis From which allegations were formed.
@@ZPSBestProfileName while its a small difference, charge means "we allege that you did x and we can prove it" whereas I can make up any old guff about you and allege that its true.
The arrogance that they think they can do whatever they want is not the same as the confidence that they’ve done nothing wrong.
Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M
Few days later - PL Sanction City
PL not Corrupt?😂
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@@NOORAHMED-wi8hy pep and city will have known these charges were coming for about a month. So when he said that he was probably butthurt about this.
This is bigger than the match fixing scandal in Italy back in the mid 2000’s. Man City need to be made a example of otherwise clubs around Europe and the prem will just stick two fingers up at the governing bodies and do whatever they want.
If they are done for breaking these rules then its no different to being banned for doping
Newcastle will be waiting in the wings
And if man city get away with a fine
Then that's the green light
I don't think so - our owners and the Saudis are actually quite sensitive. They're very emotionally responsive to the public eye or what they get called.
Could be devote religion, could be (more than likely) because they do SUPER shady/borderline evil shit (like a genocide in the Yemen with help from the UK) in their own country, and genuinely would lose a tit for tat shade throwing competition with their regional rivals. So they're nicer than nice over here.
How are clubs supposed to ever win when plastic fans like you only follow Liverpool or United or Arsenal?
Spot on. Huge implications for Man United and Liverpool prospective buyers too. Future of English & European football at risk here
@@harperstephens2640
If FFP was properly implemented then Man Utd,Liverpool and Arsenal would be the only teams to ever have any chance of winning trophies in England.
Smaller clubs have no chance. Their only hope is for FFP to be scrapped and hope for rich owners.
@@gregconway736 Leicester did. And they did it against the club in question.
They only got away with it from CAS based on a statute of limitations that doesn't exist in the PL charges. Why does everyone act like CAS exonerated City?
And why did the PL put up with City stonewalling the investigation for the last five years? Clearly the PL CANNOT police themselves and an outside oversight body is probably called for.
You’re a melt. That’s factually incorrect. Yes the case was time barred. However, CAS said it wasn’t worth looking into things 5 years and beyond anyways because there wasn’t much there.
In the event that you have an action founded on a tort, the limitation period will be six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued (LA 1980, s 2)
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/58
Sam has to tow the line to keep his access to Man City.
The premier league wont want Man City to go along with Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Atletico Madrid to create the super league.
Bring Vito Corelone in for questioning , he will make you a offer you can't refuse
One thing I do not understand is that The PL was not provided with data by City. How has this been allowed to go on so long ? How do these individuals know the details of the so-called misdemeanors ?
Don't know what will happen here but...going forward how the fcuk can teams compete on a level footing if there's only one or two clubs with all the money.
How can Pep say they didn't lie to him when the only reason they beat the UEFA charges was statute of limitations.
There is a punishment by simply being investigated, that being purchasing of players!! Who's coming to City on a 3/5 year deal when the player/players could potentially be playing in the championship or even league 1 within a year of signing with City? this applys to current players who are due a new contract!.
Only 4 players have contracts that are due for renewal in the next 18 months.
The problem is even if City are guilty they may well decide to take the whole system down with them. Do you truly believe the premier league are whiter than white? We have reached the stage with the Premier league, where we cannot even watch some matches in this country on any platform available. How moral is that.
100 breaches, seemingly most minor technicalities regarding sending in detailed reports gladly and quickly. The only significant charges are regarding inflated sponsorship deals for example from Etihad Airways. Given the enormous success by Man City the deals were highly motivated. Lets investigate in the same hostile detail the other 19 teams for several years going back to 2009 or longer. Probably, you will find breaches by most/all of them.
What a stupid statement....a true whatabout moment from a brain dead zombie style fan
Let's be real, FFP exists to maintain the status quo
How do you work that out when United were bought and loaded with debt.. like bury but bury didn’t have the traction united generate
We know.
It’s there to protect clubs who didn’t it right due to decades of wise decisions, good youth footballers, good commercial business and so on.
Decades of good decisions!!!
No way should a mess of a club be bought off from a state and wash money to then beat teams who give years and years of hard work and sensible decisions!!
Anyone can win, it takes time tho.
let's be real, cry more.
What "Staus Quo? Does that still exist these days?
Pep is not the club, if he wants to go that's fine with me, I don't like the way he keeps calling the fans, and saying he would go to Barcelona if they needed him
Premier League: "We're not actually brave enough to do anything about this, so let's just accidently have it leaked to the press and we can call the ensuing commotion sufficient punishment for City. Job done. 😬"
Man City just hired an lawyer that got brexit blocked twice in 2019, I hope the pl has whistleblowers from Man City finance team that they could have as witnesses.
Ive learned one thing in life, billionaires are above the law
@@pedropierre9594 when it comes to taxes, they are.
I get your cynicism but this isn't accidental, the EPL did publish this clearly on their website.
@@aryan.4855 he's also Boris Johnson's partygate lawyer, and look how that turned out. Massive fine and forced to resign as PM
EPL needs an independent gov regulator who has no ties to the EPL and no incentive for any particular outcome. The potential for corruption in a self-governing body with the kind of money that’s in play is so ripe for abuse, it’s uncanny.
I think it’s a pretty safe assumption to say if any other club in the PL had the type of forensic financial investigation done on them thst City has experienced, every one of them would run afoul to varying degrees of at least 1 rule/regulation in the handbook. For the sake of propriety and to dispel any thoughts of double standards, there should absolutely be an independent gov regulator in the EPL specifically for situations like the one facing City.
Yet city are the only club in the “big 6” in favour of an independent regulator.
@@palmtree5145 Are you disputing any of the points I made? The EPL is effectively a footballing cartel, paradigmatically similar to OPEC. Im sure there is no chance for corruption in it at all and the white paper that was to be published tomorrow had nothing to do with the EPL trying to flex its muscles to...wink, wink..show that it could self-regulate. The EPL doesn't want regulators because they know they will be held to a much higher standard and scrutiny. Im sure City wants one so they know they'd get a more fair 'trial' then what is in store for them currently. Whole thing is a shit-show. Where is the transparency? All of it being done behind closed doors. SMH
@@MCFCTheMadHatter Not disputing anything you’ve said, far from it!
The first four chapters of this video are just OK, but the last one "Dishonesty..." is very well done. Thumbs up.
Question nobody seems to ask: Why has it taken 14 years for the Premier League to get to this point? Surely if FFP audits do what they should be doing the PL would have seen accounting discrepancies, missing documents, and inflated sponsorships in 08/09, and every season after... Instead, they start an investigation in 2019 leaving City to seemingly do what they want for 10 years?
Who is responsible for these FFP audits?
Then you have Man united listed as being based in the Cayman Islands and nobody has anything to say about it?
This screams corruption from the PL!
Take a strong line with them as a warning to Newcastle
I disagree with the bald guy, this is not a small infringement... this is taking the entire process for fools... all leagues has a chain effect seeing that teams fights to come up and others go down...
Chappers, you’re on camera, mate, stop touching your face
Send them all to jail!
Guys, GET REAL they got off by a technicality and fined £10M by UEFA
It’s the PL version of the Lance Armstrong era. Retrospective action must also be taken and all the league titles awarded to the rightful winners.
Absolutely agree. I just don't understand those saying "they should just be stripped of the titles & no one should be handed them". Sorry, the clubs who were honest & played by the rules & finished 2nd deserve those trophies, medals & record written in their historical honours lists.
Chelsea and City quit super league first. Look what UK gov and fav did to Abramovich and City now. No mercy this time City will join super league
MC barely has any fans they won't do much for the ESL. I read that LP & MU global tv figures go up by 75% globally whoever they play & Arsenal viewing figures go up by 43%. MC's viewing figures are no more than So'ton or Fulham. So RM & Juve really want are the 3 most globally attractive Englush clubs, not MC.
Sam doesn’t want to cover a Championship club 😂
I would investigate all clubs because they are all bent anyway
If everything is true, then they should be put to the bottom the football pyramid with a 10 year transfer ban (1 per year of being in breach)
Agreed
That would make City go bankrupt and they wouldn’t exist anymore
@@absolutespoon2074 good, they’re cheats! not uncommon for cheats in other sports to be barred from competing. I.e. USSR/Russia, Lance Armstrong, etc
There is no way the Premier league would bring these charges if they didn't think they would win. City are really buggered here. The league need to show strength before an independent regulatory body is forced on them. The problem is by bringing these charges they are proving that under their watch City got away with dodgy dealings, so a regulator is required.
Hardly "independent" when someone connected with Arsenal is heading the panel
@@johnevans5064 the chairman of the premier league puts together the panel lmao.
The Government threat of Premier League Intervention had an effect on the Premier League pressing Charges Now . Only Time Will Tell if the Charges will be Proven.Will Right or Might Win Out?
Would you Prefer a person from Liverpool or Manchester United Head the panel They lost Prem titles to City. Arsenal have been out of the running to win the Premier League for years , and no team has been unaffected by Citys methods of Dominance.
well after 4 years they said City are guilty and we are charging you, but wont hand down a fine or whatever wh? Why does someone else need to look at the evidence and then charge City, all a bit fishy to me.
You failed to mention the consequences of this cheating had on other teams. The most obvious are Liverpool and Man United, they had titles stolen from them. And on 4 out of those 6 titles, Liverpool and United had a massive collapse the season after, which led to immense loss of revenue and subsequent spending in order to try to climb back. Furthermore, how many clubs missed out on the Champions and Europa League because City were unfairly in the top 4? The amount of revenue loss for those clubs and the impact is also huge. And given how bad City were before the Arabs, you can even argue that relegated teams were also affected.
Aaaaguerrrrrrrroooo! Nope. Take it back.
@@diddyxl I don't even want United to get awarded those titles it's pointless. But they have to be stripped regardless of that, otherwise they'll have gotten away with it. Strip them of the titles, drop them to League 2, and fine them at least 500M GBP. That's what I believe they deserve. And obviously don't let them keep doing what they're doing.
@@tmsods2874 I agree, I'm a Liverpool fan and I dont want to be given the titles (even though if City cheated we deserve them), but if City are found to be cheating they should be stripped on them for sure
@@diddyxl AguerNooooo
its so disgusting. I'm a UTD fan but I feel for the clubs that are trying hard the honest way. Brighton this season for example. That's good football. Not this, not Chelsea. 100 mill for players while the people struggle on with life... madness
We are going to investigate our biggest most powerful people: so are they investigating Chelsea for spending 600 million in 8 months
Nothing weird; if other clubs follow the same rules why not ManCity?
no wonder FSG are being tight bastards!!!!
Managers have lost jobs based on city's success. Their ability to pay inflated wages etc. What must Arsene Wenger be thinking.
And you think just buying players guarantees your success as a club? It baffles me, Go ask Chelsea why they are still not in top form despite all the players they have bought. And by the way, I'm tired of hearing Liverpool crap talk about not buying players, they have bought more players than even Man UTD this transfer window, they got Gakpo, etc.
That will explain all those trophies utd have won recently with their bigger wage bill...oh wait.
Actually, as an Athletic Subscriber, I find Sam's insistence on Man City being cleared by CAS to be untrue. They were fined 10-20 million and the case was concluded because the evidence was time barred. Journalists should be impartial.
' Time limit for actions founded on tort.
An action founded on tort shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.
City breaching Financial Fairplay is ridiculous to me. Financial fairplay was put into place to keep clubs from overspending and going backrupt - which should be for clubs like Barcelona or Madrid who have a billion in debts and are still overspending. City is in no position to ever go bankrupt with their financial backing. I wished they would sue on a European level cause Financial Fairplay would never stand a chance in court. Governing bodies limiting an owner to invest into his company has always been ridiculous.
If the dual contracts are true then those under them best hope the tax man doesn’t decide to get involved
For the wider good of the game in England, limits on pay and transfers etc would end monopolies and clubs being the playthings of ridiculously wealthy people and enterprises, and bring some financial sanity to the game. As for a Super League I'd guess it would die in childhood if national and international footballing bodies didn't recognise their legitimacy.
There are already limits on spending. The problem is when a club lies about what they are earning and spending to pretend to be within the rules. We need better enforcement before making more rules
The Premier League say that City haven't supplied requested documents. City say that they have supplied a lot of documents. What City don't say is that they supplied all the documentation THAT WAS REQUESTED. As the Behaviour Panel say 'chaff and redirect'.
Mar a Lago all over again
great closing dialogue by Matt
Couple of amazing takes in this video. City facing over 100 charges and yet bad Liverpool and bad United implicated in being in the Premier League's ear because they must have been. Sorry, what? Any evidence for that, lads?
It's the usual play, if I'm going down then drag everyone with you.
Im sorry…. How could you have listened to that, am drawn the above conclusions. The host Mark (chappers) simply asked as a follow on question “How did this investigation start, could it have been the other big 6 in the ear”, and proceeded to list off the rest of the entire (big 6)” of the premier league for instance”…. Mat slater then provided his opinion on that and again providing context just so happened to mention Utd and Liverpool, not to specifically single them out but to again show he was addressing the specifics of Marks question…. And for arguments sake they did say specifically utd and liverpool initiated the investigation… so what?! Surely that would be commendable? They had questions around the lets call it “creative accounting” from city and wanted to make sure they weren’t gaining an unethical or in this case illegal advantage as a result. If city have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear…. All the premier league are asking for is proof and that should be a pre requisite or non negotiable. Finally… city did after all willingly and currently choose to become members of the premier league meaning they are 100% accountable to them, the contract they signed and the rules they have “apparently broken”
If true (and only city fans that are lying to themselves believe that the charges aren't):
Strip the titles.
Relegate.
Massive fine.
Wasn't it Der Speigel that brought this up? UK was uninterested till they had no
choice
Just what I expected from a Man City correspondent SAM LEE
mark my words city are going down & it’s not gonna be championship
You wish pish . :)
They weren't right about CAS
This will only increase the likelihood of a Super League. Billionaire businessmen don't like the restrictions of trade which essentially is what FFP is, they want to exist in an open marketplace. The PL can eject City from their competition if found guilty, that is their right, but what they can't do is force City to play in the EFL even if they're accepted. City could simply walk away, which will only increase the likelihood of that European Super League that the American owners in particular were so desperate for. Be careful what you wish for Premier League because this could ultimately ruin your competition in its current form.
The competition is already ruined in its current form (or being ruined).
Really what is Financial fair paly in EPL in 1925 arsenal , Blackburn Rovers 1993, Chelsea 2003 to now, Man united (1991 on wards) Liverpool from 2014 onwards. or spurs or Everton or wolves no one going escape from Financial fair play regulation. Only mistake Man City is done is THEY WON FUCKING TROPIES unlike other mid table sides earlier. Man city Best Facilities around the Manchester unlike other clubs. Only charges that are going stand is that, they didn't cooperate with investigation. Even if the all the allegation is true, Man city Financials strong what is the problem now.
What exactly do you imagine Liverpool have done?
Every football fan knew there was dodgy deals going on at City. Just like PSG and Chelsea.
Emotional distress R U kidding me
Sam Lee said Man ci won the appeal actually they didn't as the court said UEFA could only go back 5 years and it was longer than that
How many breaches in 9 year's???
114 the last time I heard.
This is out of context, but Matt Slater is not a cheerleader for Jim Ratcliffe. Look up Matt Slater and INEOS and Jim Ratcliffe. Not a cheerleader ...
Has Roberto Mancini commented at all?
Yes. To the dry cleaners. He was explaining why he soiled himself.
Even if city are somehow exonerated, their image will never be the same. This club has been trying so hard to belong & have not been totally accepted as an elite & historical club in England & Europe. Their undoing was stating more revenue over the big boys (man utd, real Madrid, Bayern, barca, Chelsea, arsenal)....they are doomed either way.
Arsenal is big boy😂. Chelsea has history
Gatekeepers smh
I don't see how total revenue being higher is particularly surprising? Premier League is the only league to see a huge jump in TV revenue during covid. Only league with more international viewers than domestic. Puts them at a huge financial advantage over other big clubs in mainland europe. Consistently in the champions league knockouts and challenging for the league too when compared to domestic rivals. United can't stay in the CL and have the Europa league to show for the last decade. They're a club on the decline thus their new sponsorship with team viewer on less money than they had on the previous one
Well the latest charges were from 2017 so the recent economical reporting isnt false
@@samuelf494 so we all just imagined these made up sponsors they have now. The crypto sponsor that doesn’t exist or the made up betting company with a fake linkedin page?
The maximum City would get is a monetary fine, which they will not care about!
Juventus thought the same and look what happened to them. And that was just match fixing. It's nothing compared to what these lot have been doing.
And a big fine is the only fair thing to do cause it isnt the players and manager’s fault and they (along with the fans) are the ones who will be hurt the most if they get any other punishment. They could be denied to buy players in a couple of years on top of the fine. Other clubs fans who are eager to relegate City and punish them are pathetic cause if it were their team this happened, they would feel devestated if their owners did this. The players wasnt even at the club when this was supposed to happen, and they are the ones who get punished. Whats fair about that? Shouldnt the ones responisible be punished. What if you lose your job because your boss or the owner of your firm has done something illegal?
Although UEFA were incompetent regarding FFP case they bought, the premier league will need to provide information above and beyond because extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence
I’m sure Arteta will give him an job as assistant manager at Arsenal
Sam would gain more respect if he challenged Man City.
I guess Manchester City are guilty of spending their own money ?, next up Chelsea, next Newcastle, next ?.
It won't go on for a year because you have to wonder what would happen if City were to win the PL and the CL, that could cause some serious problems.
Don't worry the refs will ensure nothing like that happens...
Sam out of depth in this conversation sorry to say
For the ones saying "They shouldn't do X, Y and/or Z because that would be punishing the innocent fans", it's not the prem who'd be punishing the fans, it would be the city owners not giving a damn about rules and anyone else whilst cheating n therefore, it's the owners who dropped the punishment on the fans!!
Personally, if I was a City fan, the minute the club is found guilty,I'd be organising a protest against the owners to drive them out of the club.
Having said that, I've got morals n most city fans I've seen online since yesterday appear to have sold their morals for domestic league n Cup trophies.
If the Saudis wanted to buy your club and immediately put in billions to spend on players and staff you'd drop your morals in a puddle of your own drool.
You're not kidding anyone.
@Geokinkladze I mean, I've stated numerous times across social media that I'm against this type of ownership.
But hay, feel free to judge me 🙄
P.s. When my club wins the prem and/or Champions league, I get an immense sense of achievement knowing not only did we win it, but we won it whilst beating cheats. Based on your reply, you probably wouldn't be able to understand that though.
@@BirthOfAnEmceeTV I don't disbelieve you've stated you're against this model numerous times.
Because no one has used it to buy your club.
@@BirthOfAnEmceeTV Completely agree. As a Newcastle fan, I hope City get a severe punishment, so that we can win 100% within FFP
20 mins of Chappers biting his nails and wiggling like he needs a wee
because hes a bluenose
Perhaps he did 🤷🏼♂️
To be honest? I think that Manchester City would use any loophole in existence, but obey the letter of the law, just without obeying the spirit of the law. Manchester City actions may be scandalous but I doubt they where illegal and I think the most plausible outcome is... Premier League updating their rules to close the loopholes City used.
A 100 breaches, mate, a 100. They didn’t use loopholes they cheated, simple as
@@Lucious_Skywalker God, you people are idiots. They're alleged breaches. They now have to prove them in court.
@@thanasisv190 yeah, ok, bud, the entire football world knows they cheated, we’ve known since Football Leaks. When did you become a fan, after 2010? Why did you pick them, because they have all-star teams and were really good in FIFA/FM? Stop being delusional.
@@Lucious_Skywalker Who picked whom? You actually know nothing. That's the point. You don't have the documents, you're not in court and you have no clue what you're on about?
@@thanasisv190 the documents have been online for a long time, pal, look up Football Leaks ffs. "No clue" classic projection. The secret payments to managers and players, the clearly inflated sponsorship deals from state controlled sponsors, interfering with the PL's investigation-- these are the biggest of the charges and the ones most easily proved/disproved. If City are innocent then it would be easy to prove it, to be transparent and yet they actively impeded investigations into their dodgy finances by UEFA and the PL. The PL has been investigating them for FOUR YEARS and accuses them of 100 BREACHES. How can anyone look at all this (and it's just the tip of the iceberg) and act like City are innocent victims in all of this? Absolute delusion. City deserve to be relegated.
Where have FA / Premier League been since 2009. Hmmmm suss!!!
Mark chapman going for the klopp look 😂
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Teams like Leeds followed the rules when spending money poorly and ended up getting related and almost went bust as a club. But they followed the rules while taking chances
Man City have been cheating to avoid that risk.
Kick them out now!!
Leeds spent money they didn't have which was the root of their troubles. There are certain club owners that take billions out of the club whilst allowing the infrastructure of the club to rot and saddling them with a debt close to 600 million. That's all ok but City have an owner who has invested billions in the infrastructure of both the club and local area and castigated for it. But hey, that's how FFP works "for the good of football".
I am curious why their financial auditors have not brought this matter up earlier? If their financial statements are not perceived as true and fair view then shouldn't they have opened a query to offer a qualified opinion? I know FFP is totally a different body but holy hell, stuff like paying their player and manager out of contracts should've been caught my the auditors way way earlier.
It’s simple. Their evidence is faulty. They’re simply trying to make a statement and hope that one of these charges sticks so they can say “oh look we got them we don’t need regulators”. I’m susceptible to being completely wrong, just as anyone else is. But city’s confidence in this whole matter is incredibly reassuring. Sounds like wayy too many high level third parties would have had to have been deceived/misled
for all of this to be true.
Proof i guess and finding it, which it seems they have done to charge city
So why arent uefa looking this deep in psg,barca and real?
matt slater is legendary
Time for consequences rather than hush money.
In a nutshell no escaping punishment this time round!
Man City could bribe the independent commission like they did with CAS and get away with it.
Relegated
Fine and transfer ban I think the punishment will be
@@Abdi-libaax what a transfer ban for 14 seasons???? Like someone said here Swindon went down 2 leagues for breaking a couple of the rules and regs! City broke and are trying to procrastinate with 100 infractions! Fine!!!??? how much are prem willing to fine City!??? MONEYbags City!!!? a fine of what 3BLN!!!???
@@Abdi-libaax top 6 - 9 clubs what City relegated XD City are foooked and should be fooooked whichever way you look at it! if city get away from this then the prems a joke!!!!
The last category should only be only a fining offence following the CAS fine. Maybe the Premier League think that they know better. 90% of people commenting on this matter have made up their minds and they will not be persuaded that we have to wait for the tribunal before judgement. The Premier League rule that they can go back as far as they want runs contrary to ordinary civil legal proceedings in which the limit is 6 years. Is that fair? Or is it disadvantageous to those who are ensnared? I don't agree with Matt's take on this one about when proceedings are allowed to commence..
Lets see if this implicates Chelsea, the club had a 1bn loan wiped off being owed to the Russian they cancelled the debt which in effect gave the club an advantage in FFP, as its part based on the profit and loss and balance sheet the cash may not be owed but the debt should be considered in FFP otherwise clubs will just right off debt to get round FFP and it’s unfair to clubs that cannot afford to right debts off. Or sell their clubs within the sale price offering the new owner an advantage in FFP by cancelling any debts, Man United new owners could look to do this and Liverpool to a lessor degree
The club was sold. Probably the reason why that was possible otherwise Roman would've done it whilst owning it
Guy on the right sounds like Piers Morgan
Without stripping them of titles won whilst any breech occurred, its all a bit pointless. A fine is just more money to them and a relegation would just mean they are away from the top tier for a season, small fry if they continuously cheated to win those titles.
gives the media & haters something to talk about .. Jealousy I think
Rubbish. This is the old order trying to regain power after a decade of absolute battering!! City is the dominant force in English football and it has been for a decade. That bothers quite a lot of people of the English football establishment.
It’s just a nonsense and a face saving exercise - it’s like 4 years of works that they couldn’t justify so had to go right back in time as far as they can to try and find something that will be hard to defend through time and natural staff, accounting and revenue changes!
Forever tarnished with massive allegations of cheating. The longer city do draw this out the worse for their reputation. This would be a slam dunk if it was a lower league club. Money talks.
They should be thrown out of the PL and made to start from Conference League and work their way back with a 3 year transfer ban. They cheated, they got caught, they took the piss out of all the other clubs, fans and sponsors.
Don't understand why people are saying the Man City beat UEFA. They just dodged it. Big difference
Well what else are they going to tell Pep and the players lol they're not going to tell them the truth are they.... they are guilty as sin... can't wait for it to come out...