Best Infantry Rifle: G36 vs AUG
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We compare the German G36 rifle to the Austrian Steyr AUG. The G36 has been Germany's infantry rifle since the mid-1990's and the Austrian AUG or Stg.77 has been in service since 1977. Which of these 20th century rifles that make extensive use of polymers is my favorite infantry rifle?
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#G36 #AUG #Infantry
I'm from Austria and have been trained 40 years ago in the Austrian army "Bundesheer" on this Sturmgewehr. The Bundesheer wanted to have in the 70ies an automatic rifle in cal. 5,56 Nato, which is reliable, robust, light and handy for combat in the Alpine regions and especially for the "Jagdkampf", which means partizan fighting. Functioning as like the AK47, in very low temperatures and resistant against snow and ice, without cleaning and oil. So plastic was the best material. The StG77 could have much more success, when Steyr would have made a far better marketing. Together with the Pistol GB 80, they have had an excellent combat package for service weapons, at this time. But the Management from Steyr was to weak and additional even blocked by country specific weapon export restrictions.
Congratulatons to your channel and best wishes from Austria!
Tim 2020 - It's smooth on the inside and it's self-lubricating.
You forgot ribbed also
Makes it's own sauce
No such thing as self lubricating,at some point it'll have to be lubed.
real isrealite don’t have much experience with women do you? 😊
@@john-paulsilke893 lol
The iron sights on the AUG are intendet for very close combat up to 30 meters as I have been told in the Austrian military.
The service regulation states they are to be used whenever aiming through the scope isn´t possible.
and for man size targets they work pretty good even out to 50 m - as i could test myself during my time of service.
I used the iron sights a lot for that out to 100 to great affect. Allows you to shoot without zoning out into the small obj 1,5x scope. I did in 1999 use with picatiny and 4 power wildcat optic which was nice but bulky. Ours also had a 3 position safety. Old mags that are worn give you feeding problems. Never used the bolt assist. And drill was no issue. Slow rate of fire compared to a M4, but would rather this that M16.
When i initially joined the Bundeswehr in 1999 we used the Older Type G36 with the carry handle Scope and Red Dot Configuration (the scope for the military variant has 3.5x Magnification), even when i got out of basic into active duty, and around 2005~ ish we got issued the G36 with the Rail system, the Standard issue Optics we got for them were pretty meh, i quickly got myself an Eotech 512 with a 3.5x Booster which after some adjusting worked flawlessly.
My personal opinion on the G36 and the way it has changed from when i joined in 99 till when i left in 2017 is that its a solid rifle thats capable of most tasks the Modern Soldier would eperience during his service.
And as a little Footnote: They are Currently issuing G36's and MP7s in RAL8000 which is Sand Desert Tone, and as a Civilian in Germany you can buy the HK243 which is basically a G36 just in Semi Auto they are made by HK themselfs and you can get one for like 1500€~
Geil. Ich habe noch nie in der Vereinigten Staaten der HK243 gesehen. Das klingt super. Wir können ein Aug kaufen, aber sie sind teuer. ~$3k.
What grain of 5.56 we're you issued with the G36 normally
@@jeremyorr7469 I honestly couldn't tell you, it has been years, and we got different ammo depending on purpose, like range training, dynamic training and exercise
Thank you for sharing your experience. Did you ever in your time in the Bundeswehr seen the Beta C Mag 100 rd drum for the G36? Was it ever used? thanks.
@@dotdeutschland3654 I understand thank you though
When I served in Australian military I used this very layout, except for the integrated sight being replaced with a pic rail and a removable sight.
When the rifle runs out of ammo, the bolt locks to the rear. One simply yanked the charging handle and locked it in its recess before checking the ejection window. You got to always check the ejection port, lest your assumption that the rifle ran out of ammo is wrong and you had a mechanical stoppage. That action of locking the charging handle to the rear moves the bolt slightly further back and disengages the tab which is what locks the bolt to the rear in first place. Then mag is swapped, the charging handle is flipped down to release the bolt carrier forward. Keep firing.
Sling getting in the way was funny: the rear sling swivel can be inserted from either side to keep the sling from interfering with the shooter. At least on Australian military models those pins are capable of that.
On the case of the G36 melting:
The Land court of Koblenz concluded that the G36 performs as intended so the German defence minsitry lost the case. Why the rifle still gets replaced you ask? Corruption.
Unlikely it will be replaced as the trials guns have shown the German requirements are pretty much impossible to achieve by any assault rifle (Since the G36 problems came from troops using the G36 as ad hoc light machine guns).
@@MEGATRYANT The interesting part of that is that Hk did also provide an MG36 with a heavier barrel etc. And the Military was like...nah we'll take that drum magazine that bipod and stick it on a normal G36 that'll be good enough.
@@MEGATRYANT Never heard of that. I call it bullshit.
@@NichtNameee The rifle was supposed to have been chosen already, but none passed the sustained accuracy tests (because it's impossible unless they change the requirements to get an automatic rifle or LMG). You can easily find info on the clusterfuck that is the German MoD attempt to replace the G36 to save face on Google and Forgotten Weapons also got a video on the G36 controversy that covers it a bit.
@@NichtNameee I've heard that a lot. Maybe you should inform better, before you call other one's posts bullshit. Was topic number one for a while in German media and even former German military officers and gun experts are of that opinion.
Love my AUG, That has been my go to rifle for years. It's never let me down.
Just recently purchased an AUG. Have 1,100 rounds through it so far and I absolutely love it! Balances very well and shoots like a dream. I have only had one issue and that being a small crack in the stock over the disassembly tab.
At least can get replacement stock pretty easily and not super expensive.
@@waterzap99 I have a warranty. I'm getting a replacement for free.
How can a crack or any defect on a rifle that cost twice as much as a quality Ar and can't do anything that an Ar cant do be worth a shit.Thats like buying a BMW M5 and thinking you have a great car even though it's in the shop 80 days a year when cars that outperform it and,cost less and are more reliable.
@@realisrealite5554 It can do a few things your quality AR cannot do. It can fit in a small backpack with a 16 inch barrel. 20 inch AUG is the size of a 16 inch AR with stock collapsed. Max velocity from 556. Bullets fly faster, further and hit harder than in the AR. It can fit in an even smaller case if you want to take the barrel out. Barrel changes in about 5 to 10 seconds. You want a 16 inch, 20 inch, even 24 inch RPK like rifle. Done... You can use AUG and AR magazines. Change whole body over in 10 seconds. AR mags are about same price as AUG mags now. It runs very cool and very clean. Only part that really gets dirty is the piston. I personally like clean guns but hate cleaning them. DI and roller delayed is prob the worst for running dirty. 16 inch aug is about pound heavier than 16 inch AR. Add sling and front end grip to AR and weight difference is not that much.
I serve in the austrian army for 4 year now and my rifle (which is the exact same verion like in the video) has gone through a hella torture.
Bouncing against rocks while climbing, falling on it (multiple times), 6-7 magazines full auto close to melt my glove, mud, water, dust, snow, freezing rain...
No jams or cracks or something.
Maybe your rifle was manufactured with other materials?
Just wanted to add something to the great video: the ability to take out the barrel makes clearing stoppages very easy. (We had stoppages with crappy blanks ages ago) Same goes for cleaning/inspecting the barrel. (And there are few other rifles where the soldier can replace the barrel himself without any tools. The only "tool" necessary would be a coin for zeroing the optics again after a new barrel.) And to the optic: the original 1.5 optics of the Austrian issued ones were/are made by Swarovski. The optics and their housing (of the originals) are quite sturdy. Mine back then got hit by a woodenstick of 4cm diameter in full swing and it neither lost it's zero nor did it get any damage.
I love my AUG A3 M1. Put more rounds through it in the year I've owned it than all guns combined I've shot or owned over my lifetime. Got mine setup with a Burris RT-6 in a Manticore Talon mount, Streamlight HL-X, and some upgrades from Corvus and Ratworx and it is just fun as can be.
The original AUG mags are also fantastic, vastly prefer them to AR mags.
The problem is that US channels almost always show the AUG in the A1 Version as used in '77. It's like talking about the AR15 and showing an M16A1. Of course it's outdated and it doesn't have a case deflector for firing left handed, no picatinny optics mount, no bolt release, no attachments for modular grips, lights etc.
If you want a 21st century version with all these features (and proper sling position), check out the AUG A3 and particularly the new upgraded one with Corvus Defensio parts as used by the Austrian BMI (ministry of interior).
But the A1 version is still in use for the "Normal" infantry, while only more "Important/Special" groups get the newer version....
So technically the '77 version (STG77 is the Military term) is still the current gun
@@sotiris223 yes I was in the Austrian military and we only had the old a1 version with very beat up triggers.
Going accidentally full auto while firing was almost a normal thing
@@sotiris223 Well, basically the people who might get into actual combat get the upgraded versions while the draft soldiers mostly occupied with cleaning the barracks lug around the A1. Same as in the US military, where some rear and reserve units also still even have the M16A2 because they're not expected to use it anyway.
It's like saying you shouldn't review the URG-I because most people in the US military won't have it.
@@Vintageologist not exactly the same with Austria.
Only special forces get the newer version
And basically every "Normal" soldier gets used for any kind of combat (as long as its a job for their battalion)
@@Vintageologist Austria isn't big at all. Austria is a neutral Republic.
So their kind of combat is everything that happens inside of austria/Europe...
Love that British Army issue Jacket.
I was lucky enough to fire the Aug against our issue rifle, the (L85) SA80.
The Aug is superior in every way.
I served in the British Army Infantry, from 1987 to 2001. Thanks for the great video...
@Matt allen Make a rifle in the UK secures British jobs, plus the Gov wanted to sell Enfield at the time ,and it would of made it an attractive purchase if they were currently building weapons for the military with potential foreign sales.
Go take a look at forgotten weapons video series on the l85. There was allot of politics. The government wanted to sell Enfield, wanted to prove it could create a design with engineers who had no firearms experience, wanted to hush any problems (closed testing and continually changing the definition of failure), and the l85 program had been hyped as a great thing to the public too much for them to back down.
@@Tool683 I served for 12 years and I never found the weight as a problem to be honest
@@Tool683 now it's basically working. H&K just had to replace everything but three components.
The Irish got the AUG and the Falklands Defence force got it..
The Poms on Long Look exchange with Oz Army back in the day said they loved the F88 over the SA80.
On exchange with the Yanks I loved the M16A2 but prefered my F88.
*For the final judgement of the rifle.*
The German Defense Ministry did a huge investigation and the German media covered it a lot. Mostly the public funded state TV.
Spending millions on third party consultants and investigation.
By the end it turned out that government decided to buy and use cheaper ammo than the ammo recommended by H&K which in turn made the barrel and the surrounding polymer overheat more quickly among other things such as pressure issues. This was then quickly brushed under the rug because the defense ministry and media for a long time pushed the narrative that there was something wrong with the rifle and H&K is to blame for the shit that went down with the Rifle in Afghanistan for example. Which was a false statement again pushed by Gov and mainly government and public funded official media (ARD & ZDF which can be compared to British BBC for example).
The final verdict i.e. that it was due to the military trying to safe a few pennies on ammo was very briefly reported and then quickly forgotten.
H&K then sued the German Government for damages regarding slander impacting business.
The G36 is still the standard issue rifle and the HK416 is reserved for special units such as the KSK.
FUN FACT : The fuckup that was the German Defense Minister at the time is now the President of the EU Parlament i.e. running the EU :)
When she became president of the EU an investigation for corruption (regarding the multimillion consultant contracts mentioned above) has been dropped.
Also there was a scandal similar to the Clinton emails with her. That investigation was also silently dropped.
Gun Jesus actually has a video on that too, basically it's just nonsense
Also they were trying to run those things like machine guns
@Phillip Cameron like, of course the accuracy is going to degrade and the plastic melt a bit if you do continuous bursts of sustained fire for hours at a time in a pencil barreled rifle. Any gun including the SAW would suffer under that.
The quick detachment feature of the barrel is to allow the shooter to remove the barrel to clear a stuck case, instead of performing the silly "mortaring" maneuver, which can break the buttstock and render the whole rifle useless. I am totally amazed that nobody sees that benefit!
I’ve shot both and would be hard pressed to choose. I like both a whole lot.
Team AUG here. But I like em both!!! I'll get a G36k eventually. I'm also still super sad that the Lithgow F90/Atrax is not coming to the US anymore :'( I was ready to buy one as soon as they announced it. Thales are a bunch of bastards!
They have to be politically correct... It really sucks when a company does the governments banning dirty work for them.
Same.
Same here bro. I made it my "modern" futuristic option to pair with my Retro M16A1, then I learned it was scrapped. Now I aim to purchase a Desert Tech MDR SE. Maybe when I receive my fun bucks from the gov'mint. Or maybe not, prices are wacky for ammo and arms in this Wu Tang Flu panic.
I prefer the AUG too. Only drawback is having to fire it left handed with the right hand bolt inside, but there are ways around that, like the Corvus brass deflector.
I had a t36k for awhile. Only not-an-AR I still have in 556 is my AUG
Played with the Australian F88 during the Gulf War. They hold up pretty well.
This is the only gun channel where there is no ego...I like how humble this guy is! Once we are done with the rona I wanna buy him a drink
"The rona"
Love it 🤣
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Hickok45, Paul Harrell, Iraqveteran8888, plenty of good gun channels with no "ego".
@@GusFogle I agree, we have a great online community of firearms content creators. Cheers to all and here's to your health during this time of crisis.
@@GusFogle you are correct, I have not been watching them recently!
These videos are awesome. Some of the interesting comparisons you might want to consider are BM59 vs M14, FAL vs G3, Aug vs SA85 vs Famas, Valmet vs AK or Valmet vs Galil, and HK416 vs SCAR.
Comparison of Western AK like rifles would be nice too, FNC vs Sig 550 vs AR70/90
Throw in the hk433 too. Probably the king of assault rifles today
Maybe add AR 10vs M14, M249 vs Stoner 63, M60 to other belt fed weapons
@@davidduafala3050 Yea I'd like to see a comparison between belt feds too.
David Duafala I think the 805 BREN is a better comparison for the SCAR. Compare the Galil to the RK62 or RK95, since he already did the AUG compare the TAR-21 to the L85 (but no contest, pretty sure anything can beat the L85). There are just so many he could do.
I loved the double mags but a lot of people hated them. Modifing the magpouches helped. They give you problems with the ammo capacity you can carry though.
I also have never seen clips for them to load them faster.
We were told there where problems when parachuting with them and i had two broken reddots myself.
Shouldertransition was very easily if you set up the sling the right way.
When you use the standard sling correctly you can shoot and aim the gun easily. There was even a one armed shooting instructor for this.
In my pov the over under reddot/scope optic on the G36 is nice, especially in terrain where the ranges you might engage differ. Also the laser light module on the G36 was quite usefull and i don`t know if something like that exists for the AUG.
Also the place and height of the optic was nice to put the rim of your helmet on when in position very long and aiming oberving or whatever.
Also the foregrip is/was highly modular (i have seen AG36 40 mm grenadelauncer, bipod and pistolgrip on front of myself).
My take on the replaceing. Look at who was the minister of defense at the time of germany at the time of this controvercy, Look at other controvercies the person has been involved (and how the person "got out of them") and into the connections, the political evolution and where the person is now. Very very very interesting as well as the way the german military "changed".
My opinion: There is no "best". A lot of factors come together and everything and their use is part of a "system". When one calls something "the best" the view is usually way to narrow.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on why the rifle is being replaced :)
And also on the fact that the optic has the perfect height for resting the helmet on it.
Brings back fond memories :)
I think that "best" is just a category that combines favorable assets, optics aside. Whichever has the most assets is the victor. Nothing in this life is ever truly the best. But, when it comes down to the question of which rifle would you rather take with you into combat; I think that there will be a clear winner for each person. All of it being subjective of course.
Based off of my personal experience, I've been issued the M249, M16A4, M27, and M4. Which one would I rather carry? The 249.
Thats my choice. I'm sure many will disagree on the basis that the 249 is heavier, less reliable, and the load out is heavier, which will limit mobility.
Accurate and well said. Personal preferences are always involved too.
@@patrickjohnson3862 I`m not sure if i have a clear winner. Who pays for the gun? Logistics, climate&physical abuse (e.g. parachuting, rapelling, jungle), the situation and on and on and on.
When there is a situation i make do with what i have. I`m speaking as someone from somewhere where we, in general can`t have guns for self defense (there are small exceptions with special licences but they are very hard to get, usually politicans, judges and some security people) and whos country hasn`t been independent since ww2 and the occupation laws have still their effect (there is a lot more to this in general blacked out & unconvinient history).
@@mrd7067 I was referring to a military issued weapon.
That's my T36C in the picture with the desert MARPAT background, awesome!
Brotein92 cool make a vid!!
I think this this the first AUG video where I agree 100% ! After being trained on the STG 77 in the Austrian Army, I always wanted one privately . I could not have made a better choice with the US Made, AUG A3 M1 !
Ever since I played the first CS 1.6 I was a huge AUG fan :)
I unfortunately do not have my G36/T36 currently but I do have my AUG A3 CQC! The gun shoots amazingly soft and its a great rifle all together with the Ratworx sear and the Corvus Defensio parts on it. Meanwhile, my G36 is currently over with 9-Hole as we speak for T&E so I guess everybody can see how it performs for them.
Never shot a G36 but I was surprised at how much I fell in love with my AUG after I bought it. It may even be my favorite GP rifle, certainly like it more than my Tavor.
The G36 is by no means bad, it's just politics that will get it replaced. Female defense minister needed someone to blame for overseas failures, and german politicians simply love to blame the guns, may it be mass shootings or failed military ops.
In court H&K completely won the case, they supplied an infantry rifle fit for russian winters and not a desert LMG, they even offered upgraded steel parts for sustained fire capability years before the issue came up.
They may hate us civilian customers and charge a big premium for the brand name with every gun, but at least they work...
Exactly. Important info to give as well, that when Germany adopted the G36, HK already had a heavy barrel configuration with the drum mags especialy tought to be the new infantry lmg! Because politicians who had no clue saw the heavy barrel version was more expensive but looked just the same, they opted out to simply by the standard versions because what looks the same works the same acording to their tought process......
Politicians in Germany absolutely hate HK and tried to ruin them to get the focus off their failure to adopt the heavy barrel versions!!!
I did not know that H&K once offered steel parts for the g36. Is there information about the steel parts online? I am really curious about the g36, and I would like to know which parts they replaced with steel.
I wonder if they'll even bother replacing it now since it's becoming more and more known nothing was really wrong with the rifle to begin with
I was sad when they didn't bring the Australian version to the US. It addressed several shortcomings other bullpups suffer from to various degrees. It was the first bullpup that really appealed enough to me, that I wanted to spend money on to own
Jay Jay you can buy that sight, it’s an Elcan spectre
Jay Jay it’s the spectre I’ve used it for the last few years, great sight
I'm a G36 guy. I've had the pleasure of firing the G36C (the modern one, with iron sights w/ rail) and it was love at first sight. I WISH I could get ahold of one in the US. The clones are never exact and its just a let down.. the clone featured in the video was a "C" but with a K/V optic
I've got one of the TommyBuilt Tactical T36E's and it is about as close to the original full size G36 as you can get. I popped one of the 1.5 power carry handle optics on it and I'm very happy with the performance and build quality of the rifle.
For me the ability to single hand shoot an Aug is a big advantage over many common rifles especially the Ar-15. In many situations you may not always have your second arm to hold up and stabilize a rifle for you, you may be carrying something, arm/hand injury, prior accidents.
I think the Poles are on the right track with their new rifle development plan. By having a normal rifle layout for their standard infantry weapon but also having a bullpup version of the same gun for use by anybody who operates primarily in vehicles, the Polish armed forces will presumably be able to capitalize on the strengths of both conventional and bullpup form-factors.
We also used the AUG here in New Zealand for ages, but now we've moved to the MARS-L AR style rifle
Between those two, the AUG, no question. G36 is a handful- way more recoil than a 5.56 should have. It feels really overgassed. The AUG, though, is much more controllable, and has a kickass progressive trigger.
But I prefer the Tavor by far over the AUG. And while it’s cliche, now that I have a nice SBR, I prefer the AR-15 over the Tavor.
Just shows everyone has their own favorites or opinions. I own 3 gens of the Aug and to me they look and feel old. My 6 G36's look and shoot much better imo I have em in every config from (and NO braces all C and K's are SBRed). LOL Also a Tavor owner and fan as well. Gen I Tavor that is I have a X95 as well but its not as good as the original again in my opinion.
Sorry to correct you im a gunsmith in the Austran Army. The Steyr AUG was constructed to be easely converted from righthand to lefthand. But the Austrian Army did not issue the lefthand- bolt, which was also needed to turn it into a working lefhand- rifle. Flipping the extractionportcover from one side to the other and rotating the Bolt 180° alone would not work. Like British recruits, also the Austrians learn to shoot with the righthand side only.
H&K: We use footage of "professionals" using our weapons in movies and news reports as advertising for our products.
Steyr: What's "advertising?"
@@ihitwrongbutton194 thanks. corrected.
Sure thing no problem. You're welcome, would hate to have fellow gun enthusiast look up the firearm and not find it. I love their pistols
I'll take that down then as well
Former AUG owner, this is what you do to your AUG whenever we can buy guns again. You need to do these things and buy this specific model.
You need the AUG long rail but the one that takes AUG mags, Just buy AUG mags, magpul I believe makes AUG mags too.
1) Rethread the barrel to 1/2 x 28 and put whatever brake you like, any competent gunsmith can do this, especially easy since the barrel can be removed how convenient!
2) replace the factory vertical grip with a 20/20 precision under barrel rail from rat worx, it gets rid of the factory grip entirely, then you can add what ever picatinny grip you like better, plus it looks clean and not stupid.
3) Get the gear head worx low profile charging handle, 1000 times better than factory plastic setup
4) Get the Midwest industries AUG QD takedown pin for your QD sling, attatch a QD socket to your new 2020 precision rail I told you to get in step 2, attatch it forward of your picatinny foregrip for a 2 point sling setup.
5) Get the 20/20 precision sear from rat worx, it replaces your factory sear with a nice anodized aluminum piece. it shortens the reset and crisps up the trigger. probably the best overall mod for AUG. Just go to rat worx website and type in AUG on the search icon.
this it the best possible AUG setup, but at the same time you are losing the historical collectible aspect of the rifle. You're trading it in for something much better trust me. Follow this build list for an awesome rifle.
I gonna be biased the AUG because its being used by the Irish defence forces
Hi Tim, Something a lot of people aren't aware of is that the Bundeswehr almost adopted the Steyr AUG to replace the G3 rifle. A last minute decision the German Gov't decided that a home grown weapon would be more desirable and had HK come up with a suitable replacement as the G11 project was tanked and the rest is history.
Hadn't heard of that one. Any information on the testing having taken place?
I'm more curious as to why HK33 was never adapted as standard assault rifle by German military many decades ago. Imagine German soldiers using G3, HK33, and MP5 - weapons from the same family. Handling characteristics would feel almost identical for all 3 weapons. Simplify things, no?
After 12 Years of Service in the german military, i can say that i do not really like the G36....also when i didnt have many technical issues with it...but it just wasnt what i like to shoot with. I havent shot the AUG yet but i am very interested in which gun the german military would choose in the future. Greetings from Germany !
I'm very curious, having lived in the US my whole life, I've wondered what gun laws in various European countries are like. What can you own in Germany? Went there twice as foreign exchange in high school and loved Stuttgart especially (being a big car guy too) but I know that real experience can differ from what legislature says. So I'd really love to hear hat types of weapons you can own and how the process to get them is like, cheers!
@@deancarr4507 That's a pretty complicated matter, as WHICH and HOW MANY firearms one can own, depends on the kind of liscence one has. It's different for collectors, hunters, recreational shooters and people who are actually actively doing shooting as a sport. But for people who want to actually use their firearms on the range or for hunting, it's basically impossible to legally own full-auto firearms.
You should register for one of the open range days most Austrian bases have once or twice a year. If you are ex military they're usually happy to let you try whatever the quartermaster has.
I have two AUG’s for a few years and recently purchased a T36 from Tom Bostic. I love the T36 HK G36 clone, but would have to choose my Styer AUG’s. I have never had any issues from either one of them. They haven’t got match triggers in them, but once you get used to them they aren’t that bad. With good ammo I can easily get 2” groups or better at 100 yards. 😊
Love these vids. Keep em coming
Thank you! We enjoy them too.
@@Militaryarmschannel seconded! Very interesting content thanks for making the videos.
Man the AUG is such a cool and unique design,love it !
Yes 👍💯
Thanks for the thorough review and demonstration.
Thank you for the support!
The Spanish, Latvians, and the Lithuanians seem to still be happy with the G36 as a service rifle.
The Austrians, Irish, Tunisians, Omani, and Luxembourgers ect are still using the AUG as a standard issue service rifle but the Australians are going to their own updated version of the AUG the F90 and New Zealand is switching to a LMT AR15 type rifle.
Australians already upgraded and the Kiwis have already adopted the LMT.
@Joshua N. Ajang No.
G36 my service weapon. Loved it!
Hey MAC think Magpul will ever make FAL Mags?? Your last “Best Infantry Rifle” vid has me interested in getting a battle rifle but $20 a pop for mags vs $4 for g3 mags just seems insane.
Actually, Australia never planned to buy the AUG. But someone at the factory fucked up the post label, so the first 10.000 rifles were sent to Australia instead of Austria.
The Australians liked them and kept them
Best thing about the barrel detach is it allows it to be put in a backpack or like mine , a tennis racket case to carry in my truck.
Folding the stock does allow for firing. It is not a 'storage configuration'. It is a compact firing configuration meant for use in vehicles, or incredibly tight spaces where the stock would just get in the way. It is why the pin goes through the guide rod rear section and why there is a metal retaining pin that mates with the top of the receiver at the rear on that same design to provide a lot of support. The stock actually doesn't do much for structural support - but it does ensure the guide rod rear part mates properly with the receiver by pushing it up slightly. It isn't required.
It is also why the stock was made that way - the big hole ensures the ejection port is not blocked and can help deflect shots more sidewards and / or downwards than upwards.
I agree the AUG honestly would be my first pick if I had to go with an AR-15 alternative. As far as G36 family the G36K is the best overall both in looks and length and still having very good velocity with a 12.5" barrel.
There is even a new short Aug thats like 2 feet in length total. Super light super small.
@@BR4INlessBRI4N its called the "sub-carbine" it has a 350 mm barrel (13.78"). I really like that one too, it looks cool with the flash hider immediately after the reciever.
Be thankful that you dont have to go without an Ar15.
@@realisrealite5554 thats for sure. Esp. Right now.
Used the STG77 in the NZDF many moons ago. Thanks for the review Tim, always a pleasure watching your videos man. Cheers. 🍻
I had a Tavor X95 and initially liked it a lot. Yet the X95 just never “felt” right so I traded it off. A few years later I got the A3 M1 AUG and it’s just an all around superior firearm. I even picked up an updated 1,5 integral optic and popped a good BUIS set on top of it. I’m keeping the long rail that came with it in case the nostalgia wears off, but I am very surprised how much I actually like the donut. The overall accuracy is excellent.
Military surplus AUG A1s will be available for sale here in the Czech Rep. this summer. Your assessment tips me over the fence and I will buy an AUG. With current exchange it comes to about $825 US tax included plus about $20 in paperwork fees. You make the best weapons assessment videos on the web!!!!
I'm surprised that the AUG wasn't adopted by additional NATO countries. It was far ahead of the others.
Political reasons, Austria is no Nato Member.
We tested it on Spain but the ausence of a switch between auto and semi made our military choose g36
the G36 you have there is the Export Version, not the Version the German Military uses, especially the opitcs are different
The Steyr AUG A3 and the G36k and G36c
Are my favourite rifles ever
The G36 has been my favorite rifle since forever. I will always choose that lol Plus the Aug looks like a "bad guy" gun 😆😱
That's your memory of "Die Hard" talking.
Absolutely
Remo Williams the reason most old timers arent a fan of the AUG. LOVE them personally and for MY purposes prefer over the G36. Love both but bullpups give me a chance to have a 16" barrel rifle and still be able to move around.
I shot the g36, AUG and SiG 550. The AUG has great balance, smooth recoil and is quite accurate with os 1.5 x optic. From these 3 i would take the AUG any time. You feel very confident with this weapon after a short while, just like with the MP5.
@@Genesis23OPB in my country the sig costs 2 x as an aug and is almost impossible to get:). But i have great respect for swiss weapons. To own a 550 would be an honor.
@@Genesis23OPB You shall not covet your neighbor's full auto rifle. I live by that comamndment :)
Nice video tim, very informative..Its the opposite of your opinion applied in the saudi armed forces who adopted the AUG in FDE color in 2008 as replacement for the aging G3 and G3 A4s in service.. except for the saudi national guard going for the FN F2000.. after the first houthi war in yemen in 2009 the saudi soldiers ditched their augs and picked up ak rifles from the field and some divisions brought back the G3 rifles, in 2014 saudi military industries got licensed by Hk to manufacture G36 rifle varients.. the aug was replaced by the new saudi manufactured G36 in 2016 and the aug rifles were given as military aid to the yemeni government forces.
“In this light it’s very difficult to make out”
-MAC 2020
As someone that has been shooting since I was literally old enough to pick up a gun and that spent 12 yrs in the US army (2000-2012) with two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan I think not having ajustable iron sites on a rifle really hurts both of these rifles! I realize that most people in Europe probably have never even held a gun, much less shot one and that is the reason they have a crappy built in optical site into their rifles instead of a iron sites. But in my opinion having a good iron sites is MUCH better than having a crappy optical site because of a few reasons. First off you can easily ajust iron sites and there is very littel worry about them getting damaged or whatever. Plus you can always mount a good site on later if you prefer, like on the US M4 carbin. Also another good reason to have iron sites over a crappy optical site is that the shooter can raise his rifle and acquire the target much faster.
The Steyr I used in the Aussie Army in 1990 (Gen 1) had backup sights on top of the sight. I was able to hit out to 400m with not much effort
In Austria Military Service is not optional, so it is quite save to assume that about 70% of the male population have shot with an AUG. The version that way known here was the 1980s version, not any recent upgrades. Also I need to point out that the optics we're made by Swarovski und were pretty awesome at that time. I shot this rifle at a distance of 300 meters and it was deadly accurate.
Hey Tim Im not sure if you will see this but Ill tell it to the people who do see it. The ADF is looking at scrapping the F90 and AUG design all together in favour of what might be the Sig MCX Virtus either in .223 or .300blk. And if the current testing and the fact that some regular infantry units are getting suppressors it might be either integrally suppressed or have a detachable suppressor. This is set to happen between 2021-2023 in Tranche 2 of the ADF updating all of its frontline troops equipment with better modern gear, and this time it doesnt appear that they are cheaping out either something like $20bAUD is being spent updating everything over the next 10 years. Good video Tim and as always keep up the good work.
Back in the 1990s the agency I worked for issued AUG-P s with the 16" barrel and black stock. I found it a very easy to use rifle but the bullpup design had a bit of a learning curve compared to the AR-15 carbines we had at that time and the M-16 I had in the U.S.M.C. the site on the AUG was great in that you rested the inside of the "donut of death" on the top of the target at any range and you would get a hit on a man sized target out to 500 yards, 100 yards it would be a head shot. I found the 3 shot burst fire tended to climb right but we added a 4 cell flashlight to the barrel and that problem went away.
Federal is no longer supplying ammo to the channel lol.
Having a steyr aug A1, ar 15 (16”) and shot the civil version of the g36 the sl8, I agree with you. Nr 1 for me is the aug together with the ar15 and than if really needed the sl8/g36
i absolutely love how well crafted the stg77 is
The AUG is just awesome. 🇦🇹 🇦🇹 🇦🇹
I wish guys like you would do more tactical 3 gun stuff with these rifles. These weren't made to be shooting from a bench. They were made to be manipulated. That means standing and moving.
I owned 3 of these at one time. I found the triggers no worse than a "USGI" AR trigger. Very usable.
AUG a3 nice rifle on the heavy side, rail space is very limited, but now a lot of after market products, I put a folding charging handle on my AUG. big improvement . May even get a midwest AUG handguard , M-LOK,
Usually the Iron sights on the scope contain 3 glow in the dark dots for low light combat on most Military AUGs.
I shot a G36 when I was 14, and it was easier to control for me compared to the AR's I shot. Full auto of course.
Here in New Zealand we replaced our Steyr AUGs with the AR-type LMT MARS-L rifle.
According to NZ Army, the AUG had issues whilst serving in Afghanistan, lacking range and stopping power.
Lacking range and stopping power? I thought it has a long enough barrel than most AR-type rifles?
@@StevenL00 That's just the complaint that the NZ Army had.
@@trekkienzl2862 something tells me there's something going on. I bet the new MARS-L doesn't have a AUG length barrel while maintaining the same OAL
That's probably the lamest excuse they could've used.
Love the new comparison series Mac
It would be awesome to see you review the SA80. Any chance you can get your hands on one?
Basically no chance.
They're unobtainable in the US for the most part. They were never sold on the civilian market, sadly. I would love to have one.
I find this versus video rather limited. You could have compared magazine changing times for instance, but also resistance to moist, dust, mud, shooting prone.
How do they handle different bullet weights? Are they ammo sensitive? etc.
Still nice video, and cool to see the length comparison.
The german armies try to replace the G36 is not related to the gun itself but the change of what the Bundeswehr is there for. When the G36 replaced the G3 the German army was mostly a national defense (the name literally translates to "federal defense") army while today we are tasked with multiple high risk war scenarios in the mid east and Africa. That results in the need for generally improved equipment including the G36. There have been minor issues with the G36 in Mali regarding full auto shooting of the rifle (which pretty much is bullshit since the rifle was not build for dumping mags after mags) so they replaced some g36s there with HK417s which have a thicker barrel and are therefore more heat resistant. The possible successor, the HK 433, would be actually quite nice to have but there is one major thing different in our military structure than pretty much anyone else, its not the soldiers getting new stuff but civilians working in the department of defense. So its not the military trying to ditch it but the politicians and civilian members of the DoD. My G36 runs great and with a bit training, just a little but cause that gun is sooo easy to use, you can easily effectively fight opponents up to 300m. I shot the AUG when I was on a combined training facility with the Austrians and the bullpup designs has some advantages, especially for my bataillion being mountain infantry and the rather long g36 messing with us while climbing etc, but regarding effective precision and use in a combat situation I would always choose the G36.
Yes, there were no problems there this is an insinuation and the policy of the German Ministry of defense it was necessary to write off the dead in 2010 Kunduz, so they wrote off . In addition, pacifists in Germany hate the HC that they sold rifles to drug cartels in Mexico, that weapons surfaced in the hands of Muammar Gaddafi's mercenaries ,this is all criticism of the HC . And you say there were some problems in Mali send me the source from where you got it or it's again blah blah . Here's an example of an extreme test in auto-mode with beta stores.G36 900 Rounds Full Auto Fire Until Failure Test th-cam.com/video/iTbTyFloelc/w-d-xo.html
Hey I noticed that you said that the US doesn’t like bullpups for drill and sure that is one reason, but it’s also because when you try to check what is consistently jamming your weapon. The recesses to look into for a bullpup when the bolt is back is narrow and hard to see into. So you can say it might carry some manual of arms issue with the military as well.
Thank you. I appreciate these vids a lot.
Haven’t watched the video yet and I’m going to place bets on AUG
have a look at the f90 Atrax (MBR), it improves everything wrong with the AUG.
Quality video. From start to finish
I agree with you Sir, the G36's bolt locker isn't easy to operate. The other thing I don't like about the G36 are the magazines, because related to AR magazines they are too bulky.
It's a nice feature of the AUG that it comes with a switchable ejection port, but during combat - especially CQB - you have to switch shoulder. This is the main reason why I would chose the G36 over the AUG.
My 2 fav guns in 1 video and being compared - awesome. Love the ergonomics of the AUG.
The A3 has corrected a lot of small problems. You really can’t beat it. Expensive. Spend it!
99% of the time, bouth guns are more accurate then the shooter is
I'm digging that classic camo!
Love my Augs. Taken it to 400 yds prone on several occasions. Very capable rifle even by today’s standard. Also very sexy with the 14” barrel
"The Germans are going to replace the G36, that says something"
There are no evidence-based complains about the G36. The only thing the replacing says is that we are living in a post facts time where polititians are the most incompetent and corrupt assholes of all.
The G36 is a good rifle and is is an optimal rifle for its original purpose. Back than a big portion of the Bundeswehr were military service guys (you need a rifle easy to operate), it was considered a rifle for all troops, not just infantry (therefore they wanted it light an compact, so: a mix of a Garand and a M1 Carbine), ant that time the German Bundeswehr did not see any mission abroad at the horizon (in middle europe during WW2 most firefights took place within 90 meters).
So: The Bundeswehr changed: No military service anymore but therefore fighting on other continents. That may change the needs - but to replace the G36 as the standard rifle for defending Europe (still the main purpose of the German Bundeswehr) is just bullshit. So please - no, it doesn't say something.
I absolutely agree with you G36 is the best combat rifle in the caliber of 223\556, and the fact that it was doused with shit is politics, innuendo, just no one in the Bundeswehr or in Germany did not want to be responsible for mistakes in tactics and training of soldiers who were ambushed in 2010 ,( you probably remember this episode with it all started all these insinuations about allegedly unusable weapons ) on this they all blamed the rifle ,here's the story unfortunately. By the way on the topic G36 900 Rounds Full Auto Fire Until Failure Test th-cam.com/video/iTbTyFloelc/w-d-xo.html. And Aberdeen Extreme Dust Test I = M4 vs M16A4 test in 2006
Aberdeen Extreme Dust Test II = M4 test summer of 2007
Aberdeen Extreme Dust Test III = M4 vs MK16 vs HK416 vs XM8 test November 2007
Carbines/rifles were subjected to 25 hours of constant, heavy dusting in laboratory conditions at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., 10 of each weapon fired 6,000 rounds apiece. They were fired in 50 120-round cycles. Each was then wiped and re-lubricated at the 600 round mark. After 1,200 rounds were fired from each weapon, they were fully cleaned and re-lubricated. All weapons exhibited significant wear that rendered them unsafe for firing beyond 6,000 rounds without replacement of the barrel and/or bolt.
MRBS (Mean Rounds Between Stoppage) for Class 1, 2, and 3 combined. A class 1 stoppage is one a Soldier can clear within 10 seconds; a class 2 stoppage is one a Soldier can clear, but requires more than 10 seconds; and, class 3 is a stoppage that requires an armorer to clear:
XM8: 472.5 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test III)
MK16 SCAR-L: 265.5 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test III)
416: 257.5 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test III)
M4: 195.5 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test II)
M16A4: 118 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test I)
M4: 89 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test I)
M4: 68 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test III)
M16A4: 28 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test I with light lube)
M4: 6 MRBS (Extreme Dust Test I with light lube)
Yes, try a Sig 550 swiss made, then come back here, and tell me which rifle is the best.
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 That is a nice gun. But it is significantly heavier, 4,1 kg with iron sights v.s. G36 3,6 kg with 2 optical sights, so the Sig is around 1 kg more massive. With that more material you can do a lot of good things for a rifle. For example you could easily have a significantly heavier barrel in the G36.
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 And that such a in this SIG, to example barrels and have G36 and have SIG made method cold forging , moreover HK uses on barrels the same the most steel that goes on production artillery and tank barrels, there the same supplier that and have Reinmetall and Kraus maffey Wegman .
@@UMADBRO64 the G36 is a verry fine service rifle. The sights in this video shown are no where near as good as the standard sights on the gun (he refers to as "the old sights")
G36 will happyli autshoot many other rifles with their standard sights. The sight of the Aug seems not particular great (could be the camera) this giant donut will obscure a bit of the target...
It's crazy how those T36s are popping up recently when they've been unobtainium for so long. I'd be interested in a vid on the T36/G36 with a STANAG magwell adapter if you get one down the road.
I recently picked up one of the full size T36's (same configuration in this video) and it is fantastic. I did initially look into one of the AR magwell adapters but at a cost of over $200+ dollars, it was easier to just pick up more G36 mags. Magpull makes some pretty good ones for about $30 a piece.
Love my 40th edition! Good video
Enjoyed using the austeyr with a m203 underneath as an ADG RAAF
But beginning in 2012, reports out of Afghanistan emerged alleging that the weapon became less accurate during periods of continuous, rapid shooting. The Bundeswehr at first blamed faulty ammunition, but a 2015 study by the Fraunhofer Institute for High-Speed Dynamics revealed that the observed hit rate at a distance of 100 meters drops to just 7 percent in temperatures over 30 degrees Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit). The Bundeswehr had called for 90 percent accuracy under these
conditions.
I loved shooting the F88 @ 300 yards!
Was a pain for the Armourer to switch it to Lefty for me though... 😆
Continue the great work, Very good video !!!
When Canada was conducting trials to replace our version of the FN FAL the G 36 worked flawlessly everywhere except in the Arctic. The Steyr AUG worked well everywhere including the Arctic but because Austria wasn't a NATO country we couldn't adopt it. The M16-- with some coaxing-- could be made to work in the Arctic so the Canadian military said they'd adopt the M16 on the condition that Colt would make 11 changes and the resulting configuration was pretty much the M16A2.
g36 works everywhere in all climatic zones, including the arctic
AUG: The sling goes around the right side and then below in front of the triggerguard to the left side.
t. former Bundesheer
edit: the sling on your AUG is put on the wrong way as well - the part to shorten or lengthen it needs to be at the rear.
Btw: To get the correct length you hang the rifle around your neck, kneel on your right knee while standing on your left foot ( _I--, ) and with the barrel resp. muzzlebreaktip around 5cm above the ground you have your personal AUG sling length.
during las exercises in Poland my German colleagues wanted to trade their g36s for my beryl xd they had g36C witch m4 type of mag conversion. very nice gun.
Wicked breakdown guys great job!
In the '80s the Austrian Army had open-door days, where you could take ride in tanks, throw inert grenades etc. Also you could shoot the AUG first at 100m, then, if you had proven capable, at 300m on another stage, just for the kicks of it.
My father, sister and I are left handed shooters so we "ate" the hot cases and laughed at the impressions on our faces. The staff didn't encourage us to switch to right hand shooting but obviously warned us accordingly. Their only worry was us messing up with the two stage trigger... after all we kids were about 12y & 14y at the time