I drove a 71 Nova with a 4k converter, 4.10 gears, and a spool to work every day for years. What's "streetable" is simply a matter of what you're willing to put up with. The stall was barely noticeable with tall gears, and the only downside to a spool is the tires chirping around tight turns. It didn't bother me at all.
Yup.. they fine for the street... in the 80s I drove nothing but tall gears, spools, posi, solid lift cams, and 3800 converter type cars to work everyday! Even rainy days... was pretty much my only transportation... good times!!
Tall gears? Like 2.11-1 or 2.76-1? Or did you mean low gears? My high school buddy bought a 69 Dart Swinger with 4.56-1 gears, not very practical but a lot of fun!
I ran a 10in 3500 ATI, 373 gear, spool. I blew 3 rears because it was a junk 10 bolt. If you take your corners carefully, you can run a spool even though a good Eaton posi is better
Sound like a buddy of mine..67 SS Camaro...big stall solid cam 456 gears Slow lane at 55 but drove it everywhere same engine still together today , That car would leave HARD! Still stuck on manuals with solid cams.
I lean the other way. Having run 3.55 gears, I now run 2.79 gears open center and a 2.5k stall. It can be a bit difficult to get off the line, just wants to spin and spin, but for street racing rolling start its perfect. Plus I do a lot of highway driving.
I can see that. I did have a 2.76 geared center section for a little while, when I was installing a spool in my 4.10 center. It was a lot more pleasant to drive on the highway.
My wife’s car has 3.91 gears 3000 stall 440 six pack, ported heads, 11 to 1, etc.. 71 Challenger. Mine a Dart runs a 360-372, 4500 stall, 4.56 gears, w2 heads, solid roller, both street cars. The darts been running the came converter since the 90s a 9.5” J converter
That's a nice duster dude, i love it. My buddy bought my 4.88s out of my dana 60 and hes going to run those in his dart sport with a 4 speed. I was going to run 4.56 in my swinger but I'm making peak power at 5800 rpm so it really doesn't make sense so 4.10s it is.
I need to get a spool for my 64 Dodge 440. I’m tired of one striping around town…. , I want my Mopar to be a local burnout machine. I like what you did… I drive like you do… I got the same scowl on my face that you do. I get it… thanks for showing that you still got two balls to rub together unlike many guys these days. Im 63 years young and old school as hell. We need to bring the car culture back to $ 15,000 builds again. We need to drive our old muscle cars daily again… I will retire this year and will be driving my big block as my daily. I liked your presentation.
Your comment put a huge smile on my face! If burn outs are what you like then a spool is for you. It is a shame that muscle cars are becoming a hobby for the rich. I’m glad you got a kick out of my video.
Just found your channel last night and subscribed..kool ride screams for the combo you have! Im building a 71 dart now street strip car 340 4 speed 3:91 8 3/4 !
Love the video. Very concise and informative. She sure is a ripper. I have to say I wouldn’t mind seeing some more of them burnouts 😏. You definitely knocked it out of the park on this one!
3.73s are a good gear. Gear selection really depends on the rpm you shift at. You want to be going through the traps at the end of the 1/4 mile near your engines redline.
@@Duster_Garage good to know, I was going across the traps at around 7k last summer. It’s a solid roller but if I go up a gear that may be too high for a big block. My motor is pretty stout but I’m not sure what it can take yet lol
Youll hardly notice any difference except cruise rpm and WOT Log onto Wallace racing calculators they can do the math for you. If you have a 27 in or larger tire 4.10 is not a ton of gear .Run a 26 in tire 4.11 manual, its just about perfect. Think people get used to new cars lugging the engine and worry that higher rpm will hurt an engine.
Heck yes. Your car is Great Looking and sounds good. I have a 71 Nova, 4.10 gears, locker, M/T Drag radials, 395 SBC 5200 8 inch stall. Full exhaust with tail pipes over the axle. 11.3 to 1 solid roller camshaft. Been driving it this way for years. 5 hour trips. Down the freeway at 80 mph = 4200 RPM still gets 15+ MPG. Most don't believe me, I don't care. Runs 6.75 and 101MPH @ 3500 DA on 92 pump fuel, exactly how I drive it everywhere. It takes understanding and time. Keep on Buddy.
I got a 323 and a 2000 stall on my 68 charger, it’s still in the shop to get finished restoring. I miss my 318 duster 3 on the tree I had in high school
Drove reverse manual valve body for 10 years on the street.Just have remember not to shift into reverse at 50 mph with stock shifter. cheap tires let tires spin
My friend drives a '71 Pro Street Z28 Camaro. The car is tubbed with 14"X32" out back. He runs a blown BBC with a 5000 stall converter. He wanted to make a test run so he drove down the hill to a freeway ramp and made a pass on a Sunday morning. On the way home, driving up the hill, as he pulled into his driveway when his trans gave up the ghost. The 5000 stall overheated the trans. Now he runs a 3000 stall converter. As for a spool, we'd met in a BofA parking lot after midnight. The tight turns in the parking lot, you can hear the cars with a spool when one of their tires chirp. The chirping is from an axle untwisting because of the spool. Cars with hardened axles won't twist so the outside tire in a sharp turn will squawk in the turn. A stock axle will twist only so many times before snapping.
I like your setup you can still cruise hit the drive in , the park and like you said have fun . I have the same year Duster as yours good work man. Happy Holidays
Great video man! found this very informative since maybe one day I too could build my own muscle car, but for now theres only enough space for just my grocery getter! Love the content! Keep it coming, Im exited to see what happens once the drag strips open back up!
Thanks for the ride , I really enjoyed it !!!! I had a 1970 dart with a spool and it sure wasnt nice to drive like yours. I had to take it out,...it was brutal. It seems to work good in your car. I ran a 3500 converter , and it worked good.
I ran a spool with 4.10's in an 8 3/4 and a 3000 stall on the street. I eventually broke an axle. Now I run 3.23's because where I live now am surrounded by 75 mph highways.
@@bryandemore7486 Axles are a bit of a concern for me but I’m not too worried about them. They a Moser 30 spline. If I ever break one, I’ll go to a 35 spline spool and axles.
@@Duster_Garage Have a 4.11 and a Spool now and changed out the 2 piece axles, will be putting in a TH400 on the 360 and have 10.1 compression should be a real ripper
Sweet, I built the same car back in the 90's. Built 360 that had been bottom 11's in a bracket dart, 4000 stall and 4:10's (sure grip) but never drove it as I ran outta money. I was just a kid. Awesome to see what t would have been
@@Duster_Garage On paper it should have had a 10.90 in it in perfect conditions. I had called all the big fastest street car shops and consulted with all of them over the phone on what to do so it was a super dialed combo
A spool and slicks tears off little pieces of concrete where there's a seam in my driveway. It's right where I have to make a sharp turn. 4.56 gears of course. I might drive it 10 miles occasionally.
3:21 "Like That" lmao love it!!!!!! I agree, spool and high stall is completely street able. Just depends on one's personal definition of street tolerance. Again love the videos bro way to go ^5
@@Duster_Garage Agreed, I have my Street/Strip car and I have my daily driver . My responses to you are Street/Strip based. I have a 81 Olds Cutlass with a 500HP as my Street/Strip and a 2015 ford escape as my daily lol. So its much more tolerable when we can have a choice ........aka 2nd vehicle :)
@@Duster_Garage yesssss they are very gorgeous. They're the true budget hot rods, I'm planning on getting one like yours.I love the paint scheme, Plymouth never shouldn't have stopped building them. Yesss ill.keep.watching.
@@jamesharrington4923 I had 3.55s in my car at one point and they were a nice mix of street driving and good acceleration. With a 3000 stall converter.
Late 80s early 90s drove my car to the track,4.10 gears ,3500 stall , on the highway about 50 miles one way never broke ,I guess I was lucky running mid 12s things can go wrong.those were the good Ole days
Thanks for the ride😁. I enjoyed every second. Nice set up and answered a few questions I have. I have a 70 Challenger warmed over 340. 727 Torqueflite 2800 stall. Rear end needs repair. Thinking of going 4:10 gears. But I have a 3:55 ring gear and pinion now. So I guess I need to make the decision. I do like the 4:10 you are running😃
I drove my 75 duster 97 miles one way with a 3500 stall and 4:56 gears posi unit in the late 90’s took 60 gallons of fuel for round trip about two hundred dollars then it has a ladder bar with no floaters for the rear end just like a top fuel car the wedges in the rear springs had it set at five degrees down at the yoke it was a blast still have everything but 3:23 gears now single spin
my back halfed big block 4 spd Nova has a Ford 9” w/3:89’s and a mini spool. Certainly DOES NOT like tight slow speed corners at all! Have had to reinforce some brackets in the back to keep the rear centered because the brackets will sometimes break. Need to add a panhard bar for insurance and less stress on those parts.
Hey buddy me the one in another vid of yours I said I was happy to hear some else using Mopar Performance. I said my cam is a 168/172 way woops. It is a 268/272 with a 600 cfm spread bore Holey a 727 load flite and a dana in my '79 D150.
i had a 71 build w 2 heads 340 duster 430 gears back in the day i installed a 5 speed in it after many 727 and 904 ,s crazy scary Duster it pulled like a train . i raced the fastest street car in town . lets just say nobody would race me after that night
I know where your coming from I had a '64 Oldsmobile F-85 deluxe 2- door post with '66 425 bored 40 over custom grind came same as stick W-30 328 duration 400 turbo with 4000 stall converter reverse manual valve body and 4:56:1 rear end with clutches shimmed right it chirped all corners and 1st. To 2nd. Break loose and go sideways 2nd. To 3rd. Leave a good 7+ feet of rubber motor was close to 525 HP heads were done by Joe Mondeo and 11:1 compression ratio... Your ride is very sweet don't ever get rid of it I miss mine I should have stayed single...
Have to admit it was a nice toy had all the parts for the motor from different year's toronado 5 quart pan with windage tray took the best from different year's during breakdown after letting off the gas the mufflers weren't oval anymore they became rounded when I had it on the street but with the Edelbrock Torker intake made it a little pain in the ass cleaning it out all the time at stop sings and red lights one trick I learned to help stop manual breaks is the break pedal where the push rod to go to the master cylinder is raise the hole 1 inch that way it give you more leverage with one foot instead of two on the breaks there was too much cam for the power breaks and the torker intake didn't help eighter... I ran it at 11:50's @ 107 in the quarter a few time but more of a street toy I started out with a '67 Olds 330 pushing a little over 400 HP with the 308 duration automatic grind camshaft and 4 speed with Hurst Ram 4 inline shifter kicking myself in the ass for selling that to soon but I was busting parts almost lost a rear wheel sheared off a few blots a couple times but then I blame the times with those oval washer multi-fit back then dropped a few driveshafts as well as destroying a few 10 bolt rear ends non- posi ... But your ride is sweet there's a shop in Port Colborne Ontario Canada that is a Mopar muscle dealer he has a few cars there that he picks up and puts out for sale driving by they look sweetie but I don't know how good his body work is I have see one years ago the was acid dipped but I don't know if he still does it or not anymore that was in the late '70's it was eighter a Superbird or Daytona I seen an old Super Bee body out there that the guy down the street had then he sold it to someone but I noticed the dealership has it now been sitting there for a few years now I guess the last person who had it changed the color to purple from blue it had 383 4-gear in it as well ...
I ran a 71 Duster 340 with a 3500 Turbo Action converter and manual valve body, with 4.30 gears on the street as a daily driver for a couple of years in the mid-90's. Can you run something like that on the street, sure... but if you take it on the highway you will be doing 4,000 RPM's just to keep up with traffic, and if you have power steering, as I did, it would boil out the fluid on longer highway trips. My car even had the factory power steering cooler, made no difference, the PS fluid would boil on longer highway trips and puke all over the place. A manual steering box would fix that issue. I had a love hate relationship with the high stall converter, on the one hand it sucked how much it slipped at low speeds, on the other hand it was great when you punched it as the engine would immediately scream and the car would go sideways. In the early 90's I also ran a welded differential on a 300ZX turbo street race car I had, which is basically the same as running a spool. In all honesty it never bothered me much, it would chirp the tires on tight turns, but I never saw any damage to the tires because of it. To me a spool or a welded diff is really the least bothersome of all these things, the welded diff never bothered me much.
I would have to say, I would not want to drive my Duster daily. I never know about the p/s fluid boiling. Then again I have manual steering on that car. Good to know.
@@Duster_Garage From where I lived to my business was only a couple of miles of light to light traffic, so the converter and 4.30 gears were not an issue as the car would never really go over 40 MPH. I had other vehicles for when I took longer trips. For me, in my specific situation it worked, but if that was my only vehicle, it would really suck... The 4.30 gears would have to go for 3.55 or 3.23's. I could live with the converter and manual valve body, but not the 4.30's.
Lol, i love it. Grippin it and rippin down Broadway. I was crackin up. Looks like you hit that stretch out toward abbottstown, too. Big money! I would have liked to seen you pipe off the Bairs den and maybe a couple weis markets burnouts. Maybe a homage to the past...😏
Considering how many old mopars came with 4:10 from the factory back then its not a reach. They were no high way fun but street for they sure were fun. Dakota RT and many 4x4 Durangos came with 3.90s which has been my favorite gears for well since the good old days. 1969. Love my Dakota RT on 3.90s but the 46RH (3 WIRE) With overdrive (27٪ overdrive) is an absolute blessing. The 46re is 8 wire plug. Those solenoids tend to be a problem. If I didn't have a rare car cut the tunnel save the cut out parts to weld back in . My RT Has a over the counter 2300 from mopar. The performance computer works great. Swaped it out and back in at the track .it was worth .6ths and the 390s were worth over .5ths than 3.55s in another dodge pick up. But even with that set up my RT can hit 20 mpg if I keep my speed down. I also run shortie headers people say don't work. I've got a 408 stroker setting in the wings. Buy the way I did enjoy the video.
@@Duster_Garage actually there are blast. You could go for the gen 1 they swap really easly to the 5.9s and you can cut the drivers side of 9.25 durango axle with the passenger side and it shortens the width a little over 3.125 inchesc I did it to a 94 reg cab. Fun street toy with the od. Pre 96 versions you could find a 93 ram charger mopar performance computer. And shorties.. play time
Thank You for this video. This is almost exactly what I was considering for my next build (3500 stall, 4.10’s and a spool). This gives me a good look at what life is like with that setup. Quick question…what are the power numbers on that 340? (est. is just fine, if you’ve never dyno’d it before). Please and Thank You in advance. Great car, my guy!!
Thanks buddy! It’s actually a 340 tribute car, it has a 360 in it. Engine has never been dyno’ed but it runs 11.60s in the 1/4 mile. So probably 400hp at the crank.
Back in the day"" you go to the bone yard pull a center chunk 30$ yup" check your case no#' 789 , 742, 741, and just weld up the spider gears" but my 68 SE charger didn't like tall gears 4:10,4:88, 3:55 worked best thru the power band TCI 2500 , cheetah manual shift, 28in x 10.50 meat, solid motor mounts, from DC , big stall no vacuum, for pwr brakes , headlights, & fla heat with stop & got traffic backed up 45 min crawls, 4 core. Big RV trans cooler,
My good friend had a Aspen volare road runner" looked similar to a 70 nova 318 car, but had a T/A 340 to go in it " & built" I had a 340 non #TA motor built with a tunnel ram & velocity stacked carbs roller, billet forged internals, 550ez hp, for a 70 barracuda not cuda, 6 banger 3 on the floor clutch car but traded it for the charger & $$$ which was high option SE all power, A /C car, wish I could pop a couple of pics somehow" but yeah my friends 340 volare aspen road runner was doing mid 6's in the 1/8 at over 110" and had more with some timing advance, dropped air in rear tires , that street car was FAF" well for a N/A motor 3500 stall, it would roast pavement, the charger ate 2, gear bands, the manual valve body hit so hard with pressure it kept the727 together a lot longer but the dash felt like it going to be in your lap, harsh" but fun" universal joints didn't like it
@@tomthomas9910nice! I’m in the process of building another trans right now with a reverse manual valve body. I’m hoping it will really bang the gears. I’m in the mid 7s with my car, I would be happy if I could go a high 6 one day.
Seems to me you are an excellent candidate for the No Name Nationals. If you dont know it os a drag race event especially for guys with 500 or more subscribers whoe have home built drag cars. There are a lot of Mopar guys that raced last year and will be there again. The second NNN event is scheduled for September down at Skeston MO. Hope you can make it👊
Yes, I have heard of the NNN. I think it would be cool to go. I’m not sure how it works though, if I have to be invited or if I have to apply. I will have to look into it.
@@Duster_Garage awesome check out John Willburns YT channel he and AHRA President Dallas Brown created the event last year for guys just like you. I went to the event and can tell you it is real good time and all the racers help each other if needed. Yes there is a bracket race and a small tire shoot out but its really just for the fun of racing and guys calling out other cars similar to thier own. There was at least 50% Mopars there last year. Good luck to ya man👊
Not for me . I’m running 3.91s in my 68 Dart . It’s great for driving around town but to go to Carlisle or Susquehanna they absolutely suck . I had them in my 4 spd 69 and they were great , but my 727 would be better off with 3.55s . My stall is 3400 . Oh , and it’s a 408 with a 509 cam and Eddie heads /TTIs
@@leehouston5436 My buddy has 3.91s behind his 408 too. He loves them. I just like the little extra torque multiplication since mine is only a 360. I hear you though, it’s not great for long trips.
@@Duster_Garage I’ll tell you this , putting on tires an inch taller made a hell of a difference. And again, if I stay local it’s great !! Love that at 30 mph I can floor it and break loose and slide 😂 Mines all steel and full interior too .
My car has a spool in it. Everyone tells me I'm going to snap an axle. Not a daily driver car meet once a week the odd track day. I was going to pull it but think after this video i will keep it.
@@borismcfinnigan3430 That’s a really fun setup for the street. Honestly, the reason I went with a spool when my sure-grip broke was because it was a lot cheaper.
Yep the worst thing is fuel mileage.. Lol if you can call it mileage. Fractional MPGS fun and expensive. I like to split 110 out of the drum and 92 out of the pump. Then you have all the fun AND the aroma of racing fuel 👍
High stall converter and 4:10’s are appropriate with the 340(I’m assuming it’s a 340). I had a 69 Cutlass 455 with a 3k stall and 3:73 gears Hurst dual gate. You couldn’t leave in 1st because it would just sit and melt the tires off so a quick shift to 2nd helped. Have you considered a manual valve body trans?
The valve body I have in that trans is basically a forward pattern manual shift. I modified it with a Trans Go stage 2 kit. It actually works pretty good.
I have run slicks on the street but just to run a race, and when I am back home I immediately remove them. Unless you live in the desert, slicks and rain do not mix. Even a small amount of rain will have you hydroplaning into a ditch or a tree. Also slicks have no real puncture resistance, any road debris can easily puncture a slick. On top of the fact that when you run them on the street they will not last at all. They are also not DOT approved and a cop can certainly ticket you, and if he really does not like you, he can tow your vehicle. Get some DOT drag radials for the street, they are much safer, although they still suck in the rain, if you go very slow when it rains you should survive, LOL
just because you can, doesnt mean its a good idea. 4.10s wastes a lot of gas without an overdrive. the stall creates a LOT of additional heat if you dont have a monster trans cooler. the spool makes for janky turns at low speed and even worse on the wet plus it puts undue strain on the driveline. its fun for sure, but lets not pretend that its great for a daily.
Never said it was a daily driver, it’s a street/strip car. Fuel mileage is not a concern. Have big aluminum radiator with big trans cooler in front of it and as far as the driveline. Big aftermarket aluminum driveshaft, bigger u-joint and Moser alloy steel axles.
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You had me at 4.10s and 4000 stall. Then you threw in a couple burnouts! Hell yeah I am gonna go for a ride! 😁🤣
lol , right on man!
Lmao it’s 6:17am on a fuckin Tuesday.. I’m taking the shit box to work today fuck it
I drove a 71 Nova with a 4k converter, 4.10 gears, and a spool to work every day for years. What's "streetable" is simply a matter of what you're willing to put up with. The stall was barely noticeable with tall gears, and the only downside to a spool is the tires chirping around tight turns. It didn't bother me at all.
@@terrygreene5953 You’re 100% correct. The pros definitely out weigh the cons. I can definitely life with a little tire chirp.
Yup.. they fine for the street... in the 80s I drove nothing but tall gears, spools, posi, solid lift cams, and 3800 converter type cars to work everyday! Even rainy days... was pretty much my only transportation... good times!!
Dude, that sounds awesome!
Tall gears? Like 2.11-1 or 2.76-1? Or did you mean low gears? My high school buddy bought a 69 Dart Swinger with 4.56-1 gears, not very practical but a lot of fun!
I ran a 10in 3500 ATI, 373 gear, spool. I blew 3 rears because it was a junk 10 bolt. If you take your corners carefully, you can run a spool even though a good Eaton posi is better
Sound like a buddy of mine..67 SS Camaro...big stall solid cam 456 gears Slow lane at 55 but drove it everywhere same engine still together today , That car would leave HARD!
Still stuck on manuals with solid cams.
Short gears...not tall gears. Tall gears are numerically lower, your 3.08s, your 2.78s etc....
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I enjoyed this! I'm not a Mopar guy but the info on street driving a spool and 4000 RPM stall was great.
@@troelskiel1167 It was a fun video to make, glad you enjoyed it.
I lean the other way. Having run 3.55 gears, I now run 2.79 gears open center and a 2.5k stall. It can be a bit difficult to get off the line, just wants to spin and spin, but for street racing rolling start its perfect. Plus I do a lot of highway driving.
I can see that. I did have a 2.76 geared center section for a little while, when I was installing a spool in my 4.10 center. It was a lot more pleasant to drive on the highway.
Built an old 350 cubic inch camaro with 4.88 gears, 3500 stall and about 500 hp
Most fun street car ever!
It's all about what ya live for!!
Hell yeah!
My wife’s car has 3.91 gears 3000 stall 440 six pack, ported heads, 11 to 1, etc.. 71 Challenger. Mine a Dart runs a 360-372, 4500 stall, 4.56 gears, w2 heads, solid roller, both street cars. The darts been running the came converter since the 90s a 9.5” J converter
Very nice! Both fun cars to drive I’m sure.
That's a nice duster dude, i love it.
My buddy bought my 4.88s out of my dana 60 and hes going to run those in his dart sport with a 4 speed.
I was going to run 4.56 in my swinger but I'm making peak power at 5800 rpm so it really doesn't make sense so 4.10s it is.
Thanks buddy. That’s where I’m at, more gear wouldn’t really help me out.
I need to get a spool for my 64 Dodge 440. I’m tired of one striping around town…. , I want my Mopar to be a local burnout machine. I like what you did… I drive like you do… I got the same scowl on my face that you do. I get it… thanks for showing that you still got two balls to rub together unlike many guys these days. Im 63 years young and old school as hell. We need to bring the car culture back to $ 15,000 builds again. We need to drive our old muscle cars daily again… I will retire this year and will be driving my big block as my daily. I liked your presentation.
Your comment put a huge smile on my face! If burn outs are what you like then a spool is for you. It is a shame that muscle cars are becoming a hobby for the rich. I’m glad you got a kick out of my video.
Ah men brother! Build it the way you want it, and enjoy the ride. Very cool car 👍
Thanks man!
Thanks for the ride along
No problem
See that's the great thing about old cars, you set them up like youi want.
You got that right
Lol that's a merry Christmas if I ever seen one 💪👍🌠
You know it!
I had a smile a mile a mile wide when you put it to the floor!!!! Love that Mopar..
Thanks buddy! That’s what it’s all about, smiles per gallon.
Yep. I swapped my 4.71’s in a Spool for 4.10’s in a trac loc. but yes that is very street able
Just found your channel last night and subscribed..kool ride screams for the combo you have! Im building a 71 dart now street strip car 340 4 speed 3:91 8 3/4 !
Sweet! Badass ride brother
Great video boss I loved it
Thanks buddy
Thanks for the ride, I always wondered what, driving a high stall converter car would be like. Merry Christmas!
No problem man! Merry Christmas
interior looks sweet
@@ronblaze7175 thanks buddy
Love the video. Very concise and informative. She sure is a ripper. I have to say I wouldn’t mind seeing some more of them burnouts 😏. You definitely knocked it out of the park on this one!
Thanks man. The burn outs are way better in person, trust me.
Another great video, I have 373 gears wasn’t sure if 4:10 would be too much. These videos really help me thanks
3.73s are a good gear. Gear selection really depends on the rpm you shift at. You want to be going through the traps at the end of the 1/4 mile near your engines redline.
@@Duster_Garage good to know, I was going across the traps at around 7k last summer. It’s a solid roller but if I go up a gear that may be too high for a big block. My motor is pretty stout but I’m not sure what it can take yet lol
@@maximuswedgie5149 yeah, 4.10s would probably be to much.
Youll hardly notice any difference except cruise rpm and WOT
Log onto Wallace racing calculators they can do the math for you.
If you have a 27 in or larger tire 4.10 is not a ton of gear .Run a 26 in tire 4.11 manual, its just about perfect. Think people get used to new cars lugging the engine and worry that higher rpm will hurt an engine.
all valid points. I really enjoyed your no nonsense facts.
Thanks buddy, I try to keep it real.
Beautiful MOPAR Build 👍 guys,.... Sounds Like a BEAST 😎💪🤙
Definitely helped make my decision 👍
Hell yea 💪
Heck yes. Your car is Great Looking and sounds good. I have a 71 Nova, 4.10 gears, locker, M/T Drag radials, 395 SBC 5200 8 inch stall. Full exhaust with tail pipes over the axle. 11.3 to 1 solid roller camshaft. Been driving it this way for years. 5 hour trips. Down the freeway at 80 mph = 4200 RPM still gets 15+ MPG. Most don't believe me, I don't care. Runs 6.75 and 101MPH @ 3500 DA on 92 pump fuel, exactly how I drive it everywhere. It takes understanding and time. Keep on Buddy.
Sweet! That thing hauls ass and does good on the highway.
I got a 323 and a 2000 stall on my 68 charger, it’s still in the shop to get finished restoring. I miss my 318 duster 3 on the tree I had in high school
Drove reverse manual valve body for 10 years on the street.Just have remember not to shift into reverse at 50 mph with stock shifter. cheap tires let tires spin
Yeah, I don’t mind it. Maybe not great for a daily driver but fun for a street/strip car.
Love watching those tires burn!
Thanks! And I love burning them.
Hell yes, I do it all the time for years. 4.10, 5000 stall 383 sbc 6.7xx all day long 350 DA . 3350 lbs 16+ mpg 2500+ miles a year.
Street/Strip, that’s the way to do it. Nice!
I'll be smiling all day! Thanks!
Lol! Your welcome!
My friend drives a '71 Pro Street Z28 Camaro. The car is tubbed with 14"X32" out back. He runs a blown BBC with a 5000 stall converter. He wanted to make a test run so he drove down the hill to a freeway ramp and made a pass on a Sunday morning. On the way home, driving up the hill, as he pulled into his driveway when his trans gave up the ghost. The 5000 stall overheated the trans. Now he runs a 3000 stall converter. As for a spool, we'd met in a BofA parking lot after midnight. The tight turns in the parking lot, you can hear the cars with a spool when one of their tires chirp. The chirping is from an axle untwisting because of the spool. Cars with hardened axles won't twist so the outside tire in a sharp turn will squawk in the turn. A stock axle will twist only so many times before snapping.
5000 rpm stall is really getting up there. You need a big external trans cooler and deep aluminum pan to run on the street. And cross your fingers.
That's not what the chirping is, the axle is not twisting .
Great video, AWESOME Duster!
Thanks man!
I like your setup you can still cruise hit the drive in , the park and like you said have fun . I have the same year Duster as yours good work man. Happy Holidays
Thank you. They are awesome cars aren’t they? Have fun with yours, that’s what it’s all about.
Nice! I have sure trac gears and 512 cam in a 289. Econoline van that pops wheelies easily. So fun and driving should be fun👏👏
Dang, that’s sweet!
Agree. I’m building mine for me no one else.
@@Festerman50 heck yeah 👍
Nice ride . Nice condition for living in the rust belt too .
Thanks buddy!
Excellent video.
Explained it all.
Thank you
I didn't build this car for gas mileage lol best comment ever. You have an awesome 👌 combination.
Thanks man, I appreciate it!
I have the exact same set up and have never had a problem driving on the street at all.
Very nice combo
Great video man! found this very informative since maybe one day I too could build my own muscle car, but for now theres only enough space for just my grocery getter! Love the content! Keep it coming, Im exited to see what happens once the drag strips open back up!
Hell yeah. I see some 14.5s in your future.
Thanks for the ride , I really enjoyed it !!!! I had a 1970 dart with a spool and it sure wasnt nice to drive like yours. I had to take it out,...it was brutal. It seems to work good in your car. I ran a 3500 converter , and it worked good.
No problem man. Yeah the spool it’s too bad in my car, I wouldn’t want it for a daily though.
Take It easy Brother 👍😎 She's a Beast Awesome MOPAR
Thanks man, she is a handful.
I ran a spool with 4.10's in an 8 3/4 and a 3000 stall on the street. I eventually broke an axle. Now I run 3.23's because where I live now am surrounded by 75 mph highways.
@@bryandemore7486 Axles are a bit of a concern for me but I’m not too worried about them. They a Moser 30 spline. If I ever break one, I’ll go to a 35 spline spool and axles.
@@Duster_Garage I switched to Moser when they broke and never had another problem.
Awesome, I'm about to start on a 71 AMX w/ an AMC 360 your videos are really good, keep it up man. Merry Christmas
Thank you. Your AMX will be fun ride. Those dog leg heads flow really good, they make good power. Merry Christmas
@@Duster_Garage Have a 4.11 and a Spool now and changed out the 2 piece axles, will be putting in a TH400 on the 360 and have 10.1 compression should be a real ripper
Sweet, I built the same car back in the 90's. Built 360 that had been bottom 11's in a bracket dart, 4000 stall and 4:10's (sure grip) but never drove it as I ran outta money. I was just a kid. Awesome to see what t would have been
Sweet, low 11s back in the 90’s. You would have ruled the streets.
@@Duster_Garage On paper it should have had a 10.90 in it in perfect conditions. I had called all the big fastest street car shops and consulted with all of them over the phone on what to do so it was a super dialed combo
awesome 🤟
@@Captaincurtsgarage yeah buddy👍
A spool and slicks tears off little pieces of concrete where there's a seam in my driveway. It's right where I have to make a sharp turn. 4.56 gears of course. I might drive it 10 miles occasionally.
I know it’s not ideal for a daily driver. But I’ll drive my car 100 mile round trip to the dragstrip.
I have 410gears & a 4speed on the street no problem Highway a nother story? Loved the video!!!
Thanks man! That combo does make for a fun street car.
3:21 "Like That" lmao love it!!!!!! I agree, spool and high stall is completely street able. Just depends on one's personal definition of street tolerance. Again love the videos bro way to go ^5
Thanks! It’s not a setup for everyone but it works great for a street/strip car and is a helluva lot of fun to drive.
@@Duster_Garage Agreed, I have my Street/Strip car and I have my daily driver . My responses to you are Street/Strip based. I have a 81 Olds Cutlass with a 500HP as my Street/Strip and a 2015 ford escape as my daily lol. So its much more tolerable when we can have a choice ........aka 2nd vehicle :)
Your version of a "street" is a closed-off quarter mile drag strip.
Need my 396 short wide back on road 410 gears 550 hp fun to stand on it
Wow Yeats sharp, I had a 73 duster 340 with the same paint scheme. Glad I found your channel. I'll tune in.
You gotta love them Dusters, they just gorgeous cars. Thanks for watching.
@@Duster_Garage yesssss they are very gorgeous. They're the true budget hot rods, I'm planning on getting one like yours.I love the paint scheme, Plymouth never shouldn't have stopped building them. Yesss ill.keep.watching.
What gears would be good for decent street car,?? Maybe 3.73 or 3.91??? Maybe wit a 2800.to3000.stall???
@@jamesharrington4923 I had 3.55s in my car at one point and they were a nice mix of street driving and good acceleration. With a 3000 stall converter.
@@Duster_Garage That's cool, I had those in my 74 challenger and loved them.
Late 80s early 90s drove my car to the track,4.10 gears ,3500 stall , on the highway about 50 miles one way never broke ,I guess I was lucky running mid 12s things can go wrong.those were the good Ole days
Nice. That sounds just like me. 50 miles, one way, to the track I go to. Fingers crossed every time I go because I got to drive it home
Thanks for the ride😁. I enjoyed every second. Nice set up and answered a few questions I have. I have a 70 Challenger warmed over 340. 727 Torqueflite 2800 stall. Rear end needs repair. Thinking of going 4:10 gears. But I have a 3:55 ring gear and pinion now. So I guess I need to make the decision. I do like the 4:10 you are running😃
I’m glad you liked the ride along! The 4.10s are great for acceleration but the 3.55s are definitely more highway friendly.
Gear it for the cam mfr recommendations. A healthy cam is going to want to cruise on the hwy at least 3k or so anyways
I subbed as fast as I could.
Sweet, we should be getting some good content from the drag strip here soon.
yes sir, thanks for the ride along. i share your opinion, built for enjoyment not for less/more fuel consumption. ☮☮
You are welcome. Anytime.
Yep. Works for me
Heck yea
Great video, right to the point
Thank you
Big bolt pattern wheels n 727 trans perfect match
I actually have a 904. A properly built 904 will handle 800 horsepower. And you’ll be quicker because it’s lighter.
I drove my 75 duster 97 miles one way with a 3500 stall and 4:56 gears posi unit in the late 90’s took 60 gallons of fuel for round trip about two hundred dollars then it has a ladder bar with no floaters for the rear end just like a top fuel car the wedges in the rear springs had it set at five degrees down at the yoke it was a blast still have everything but 3:23 gears now single spin
That gear ratio would made it really livable on the highway.
my back halfed big block 4 spd Nova has a Ford 9” w/3:89’s and a mini spool. Certainly DOES NOT like tight slow speed corners at all! Have had to reinforce some brackets in the back to keep the rear centered because the brackets will sometimes break. Need to add a panhard bar for insurance and less stress on those parts.
I do try to avoid making sharp turns at low speeds. You’re right, a panhard bar would keep that rear centered.
Yes - that was fun.
Hey buddy me the one in another vid of yours I said I was happy to hear some else using Mopar Performance. I said my cam is a 168/172 way woops. It is a 268/272 with a 600 cfm spread bore Holey a 727 load flite and a dana in my '79 D150.
Yes I remember, that cam is like 2 steps smaller than the one I have. They are good cams, I like mine.
Ive had SureGrips give me more problems than that spool. It would bark-skip when I turned tight in parking lots.
Sounds terrífic! Sweet.
Thank you
LOVING THE CAR!!!
Thanks man!
i had a 71 build w 2 heads 340 duster 430 gears back in the day i installed a 5 speed in it after many 727 and 904 ,s crazy scary Duster it pulled like a train . i raced the fastest street car in town . lets just say nobody would race me after that night
That’s awesome. W2 heads really wake them engines up
Bitchin Duster. Thanks for the Joy Ride. Merry Christmas Brother.
No problem man! Merry Christmas
Bad ass wish I could drive my duster . Salt and blizzards in Nebraska going to be a little while
Bumper. That’s probably the last time I drive mine for a while too.
I know where your coming from I had a '64 Oldsmobile F-85 deluxe 2- door post with '66 425 bored 40 over custom grind came same as stick W-30 328 duration 400 turbo with 4000 stall converter reverse manual valve body and 4:56:1 rear end with clutches shimmed right it chirped all corners and 1st. To 2nd. Break loose and go sideways 2nd. To 3rd. Leave a good 7+ feet of rubber motor was close to 525 HP heads were done by Joe Mondeo and 11:1 compression ratio...
Your ride is very sweet don't ever get rid of it I miss mine I should have stayed single...
Damn, now that sounds like a true Olds Rocket! Don’t worry I don’t plan on ever getting rid of that car.
Have to admit it was a nice toy had all the parts for the motor from different year's toronado 5 quart pan with windage tray took the best from different year's during breakdown after letting off the gas the mufflers weren't oval anymore they became rounded when I had it on the street but with the Edelbrock Torker intake made it a little pain in the ass cleaning it out all the time at stop sings and red lights one trick I learned to help stop manual breaks is the break pedal where the push rod to go to the master cylinder is raise the hole 1 inch that way it give you more leverage with one foot instead of two on the breaks there was too much cam for the power breaks and the torker intake didn't help eighter... I ran it at 11:50's @ 107 in the quarter a few time but more of a street toy I started out with a '67 Olds 330 pushing a little over 400 HP with the 308 duration automatic grind camshaft and 4 speed with Hurst Ram 4 inline shifter kicking myself in the ass for selling that to soon but I was busting parts almost lost a rear wheel sheared off a few blots a couple times but then I blame the times with those oval washer multi-fit back then dropped a few driveshafts as well as destroying a few 10 bolt rear ends non- posi ... But your ride is sweet there's a shop in Port Colborne Ontario Canada that is a Mopar muscle dealer he has a few cars there that he picks up and puts out for sale driving by they look sweetie but I don't know how good his body work is I have see one years ago the was acid dipped but I don't know if he still does it or not anymore that was in the late '70's it was eighter a Superbird or Daytona I seen an old Super Bee body out there that the guy down the street had then he sold it to someone but I noticed the dealership has it now been sitting there for a few years now I guess the last person who had it changed the color to purple from blue it had 383 4-gear in it as well ...
I have a 4,200 stall and soon to be 4.30 gear and really contemplating a spool.
The reason I got the spool is because my sure-grip unit broke and a spool was a lot cheaper than another sure-grip unit. I don’t mind it at all.
I ran a 71 Duster 340 with a 3500 Turbo Action converter and manual valve body, with 4.30 gears on the street as a daily driver for a couple of years in the mid-90's. Can you run something like that on the street, sure... but if you take it on the highway you will be doing 4,000 RPM's just to keep up with traffic, and if you have power steering, as I did, it would boil out the fluid on longer highway trips. My car even had the factory power steering cooler, made no difference, the PS fluid would boil on longer highway trips and puke all over the place. A manual steering box would fix that issue. I had a love hate relationship with the high stall converter, on the one hand it sucked how much it slipped at low speeds, on the other hand it was great when you punched it as the engine would immediately scream and the car would go sideways. In the early 90's I also ran a welded differential on a 300ZX turbo street race car I had, which is basically the same as running a spool. In all honesty it never bothered me much, it would chirp the tires on tight turns, but I never saw any damage to the tires because of it. To me a spool or a welded diff is really the least bothersome of all these things, the welded diff never bothered me much.
I would have to say, I would not want to drive my Duster daily. I never know about the p/s fluid boiling. Then again I have manual steering on that car. Good to know.
@@Duster_Garage From where I lived to my business was only a couple of miles of light to light traffic, so the converter and 4.30 gears were not an issue as the car would never really go over 40 MPH. I had other vehicles for when I took longer trips. For me, in my specific situation it worked, but if that was my only vehicle, it would really suck... The 4.30 gears would have to go for 3.55 or 3.23's. I could live with the converter and manual valve body, but not the 4.30's.
Lol, i love it. Grippin it and rippin down Broadway. I was crackin up. Looks like you hit that stretch out toward abbottstown, too. Big money! I would have liked to seen you pipe off the Bairs den and maybe a couple weis markets burnouts. Maybe a homage to the past...😏
That was a fun video, an excuse to do burn outs.
Love it ,subbed
Thanks buddy, there will be more of that coming.
@@Duster_Garage sweet, I'll be keeping my eyes out for new vids. Nice to watch driving vids with someone who isn't afraid to lay into a bit. 🍻
@@davids7349 hell yea
Considering how many old mopars came with 4:10 from the factory back then its not a reach. They were no high way fun but street for they sure were fun. Dakota RT and many 4x4 Durangos came with 3.90s which has been my favorite gears for well since the good old days. 1969. Love my Dakota RT on 3.90s but the 46RH (3 WIRE) With overdrive (27٪ overdrive) is an absolute blessing. The 46re is 8 wire plug. Those solenoids tend to be a problem. If I didn't have a rare car cut the tunnel save the cut out parts to weld back in .
My RT Has a over the counter 2300 from mopar. The performance computer works great. Swaped it out and back in at the track .it was worth .6ths and the 390s were worth over .5ths than 3.55s in another dodge pick up. But even with that set up my RT can hit 20 mpg if I keep my speed down. I also run shortie headers people say don't work. I've got a 408 stroker setting in the wings.
Buy the way I did enjoy the video.
Thank you. I always wanted one of the Datoka RTs. My bud bought a 2001 sport 4x2, 4.7 liter 5 speed. Really fun truck.
@@Duster_Garage actually there are blast. You could go for the gen 1 they swap really easly to the 5.9s and you can cut the drivers side of 9.25 durango axle with the passenger side and it shortens the width a little over 3.125 inchesc I did it to a 94 reg cab.
Fun street toy with the od. Pre 96 versions you could find a 93 ram charger mopar performance computer. And shorties.. play time
Lol im subbing great video lol bad ass bro
Thanks man!
Man I Love 70-72 Dusters , Demons, and Darts. Not too fond of the hood, grille, and taillights changes in 73
I hear ya. My other Duster is a ‘73 and switched the entire front end to look like a’72
@@Duster_Garage Exactly I have done in the past. 👍
Nice Job Brother,, love this shit....just subscribed.
Thanks, right on man!
I putting 4:56 gears in my Camaro for street use,might throw the spool in too after seeing this!
Go for it
This car is scary to ride in! Nice burnouts honey! 🔥
Thanks
Thank You for this video. This is almost exactly what I was considering for my next build (3500 stall, 4.10’s and a spool). This gives me a good look at what life is like with that setup. Quick question…what are the power numbers on that 340? (est. is just fine, if you’ve never dyno’d it before). Please and Thank You in advance. Great car, my guy!!
Thanks buddy! It’s actually a 340 tribute car, it has a 360 in it. Engine has never been dyno’ed but it runs 11.60s in the 1/4 mile. So probably 400hp at the crank.
410 can in factory bilt mopars in the 60s and 70sas for a spool be cool inthe rain or damp roads
Absolutely
Yup, spool, 4.56, 8" 4200 converter. No problems on street.
That’s a fun comb.
I have 74 340 4.30 gears 3800 stall 11.70et built for street not long trips
That’s a fun street car.
Back in the day"" you go to the bone yard pull a center chunk 30$ yup" check your case no#' 789 , 742, 741, and just weld up the spider gears" but my 68 SE charger didn't like tall gears 4:10,4:88, 3:55 worked best thru the power band TCI 2500 , cheetah manual shift, 28in x 10.50 meat, solid motor mounts, from DC , big stall no vacuum, for pwr brakes , headlights, & fla heat with stop & got traffic backed up 45 min crawls, 4 core. Big RV trans cooler,
4:88" was like first first first" braaap, & traction control back in the day was your right foot"
Sounds like she was a badass street machine.
My good friend had a Aspen volare road runner" looked similar to a 70 nova 318 car, but had a T/A 340 to go in it " & built" I had a 340 non #TA motor built with a tunnel ram & velocity stacked carbs roller, billet forged internals, 550ez hp, for a 70 barracuda not cuda, 6 banger 3 on the floor clutch car but traded it for the charger & $$$ which was high option SE all power, A /C car, wish I could pop a couple of pics somehow" but yeah my friends 340 volare aspen road runner was doing mid 6's in the 1/8 at over 110" and had more with some timing advance, dropped air in rear tires , that street car was FAF" well for a N/A motor 3500 stall, it would roast pavement, the charger ate 2, gear bands, the manual valve body hit so hard with pressure it kept the727 together a lot longer but the dash felt like it going to be in your lap, harsh" but fun" universal joints didn't like it
@@tomthomas9910nice! I’m in the process of building another trans right now with a reverse manual valve body. I’m hoping it will really bang the gears. I’m in the mid 7s with my car, I would be happy if I could go a high 6 one day.
Seems to me you are an excellent candidate for the No Name Nationals. If you dont know it os a drag race event especially for guys with 500 or more subscribers whoe have home built drag cars. There are a lot of Mopar guys that raced last year and will be there again. The second NNN event is scheduled for September down at Skeston MO. Hope you can make it👊
Yes, I have heard of the NNN. I think it would be cool to go. I’m not sure how it works though, if I have to be invited or if I have to apply. I will have to look into it.
@@Duster_Garage awesome check out John Willburns YT channel he and AHRA President Dallas Brown created the event last year for guys just like you. I went to the event and can tell you it is real good time and all the racers help each other if needed. Yes there is a bracket race and a small tire shoot out but its really just for the fun of racing and guys calling out other cars similar to thier own. There was at least 50% Mopars there last year. Good luck to ya man👊
@@Ridendrty thank you for the info!
I’m close to this combo in my Charger. 3500-38 stall with a 4.10 727. Wondering if you take it on the highway and how it would hold up.
I don’t travel on the highway much, but when I do, I keep it to about 55mph. It will be revving at 3500 rpm.
I did the same with a 69 valiant with a 416 loved it and it ran 11's .
Nice! Very cool
Not for me . I’m running 3.91s in my 68 Dart . It’s great for driving around town but to go to Carlisle or Susquehanna they absolutely suck . I had them in my 4 spd 69 and they were great , but my 727 would be better off with 3.55s . My stall is 3400 . Oh , and it’s a 408 with a 509 cam and Eddie heads /TTIs
@@leehouston5436 My buddy has 3.91s behind his 408 too. He loves them. I just like the little extra torque multiplication since mine is only a 360. I hear you though, it’s not great for long trips.
@@Duster_Garage I’ll tell you this , putting on tires an inch taller made a hell of a difference. And again, if I stay local it’s great !! Love that at 30 mph I can floor it and break loose and slide 😂 Mines all steel and full interior too .
340 evil wicked mean n nasty
You know it
My car has a spool in it. Everyone tells me I'm going to snap an axle. Not a daily driver car meet once a week the odd track day. I was going to pull it but think after this video i will keep it.
I never had an issue with the axles but I do had Moser axles.
Thats what i run, almost....4.33 rear gear, 4500 billet convertor, but i run a tru trac just because i hate the harshness of a spool
@@borismcfinnigan3430 That’s a really fun setup for the street. Honestly, the reason I went with a spool when my sure-grip broke was because it was a lot cheaper.
Yep the worst thing is fuel mileage.. Lol if you can call it mileage. Fractional MPGS fun and expensive. I like to split 110 out of the drum and 92 out of the pump. Then you have all the fun AND the aroma of racing fuel 👍
Nice! Not a bad idea.
Kind of misdriven my 68 fast back Mustang on the street with an 8" converter 411 gears & a spool..........
That does make for a really fun street combo.
Does the 8" converter do well for street driving? I have considered one. Currently run a 9.5" 3400-3600 stall converter.
@@cesareomendez6794 Mine is actually a 10” converter, but flashes to 4000 rpm.
What brand of converter? Cool video.
It’s actually just an off the shelf 10” TCI, but it works pretty good.
High stall converter and 4:10’s are appropriate with the 340(I’m assuming it’s a 340). I had a 69 Cutlass 455 with a 3k stall and 3:73 gears Hurst dual gate. You couldn’t leave in 1st because it would just sit and melt the tires off so a quick shift to 2nd helped. Have you considered a manual valve body trans?
The valve body I have in that trans is basically a forward pattern manual shift. I modified it with a Trans Go stage 2 kit. It actually works pretty good.
@@Duster_Garage …buddy of mine years ago had a 340 Swinger but an auto. Those motors work do well with the manual. Always did like those.
Street yes! Highway maybe
Highway is kinda a pain.
I'm running 4.56 spool a/ slicks on the street
Nice
I need to switch to 4.10
I have run slicks on the street but just to run a race, and when I am back home I immediately remove them. Unless you live in the desert, slicks and rain do not mix. Even a small amount of rain will have you hydroplaning into a ditch or a tree. Also slicks have no real puncture resistance, any road debris can easily puncture a slick. On top of the fact that when you run them on the street they will not last at all. They are also not DOT approved and a cop can certainly ticket you, and if he really does not like you, he can tow your vehicle. Get some DOT drag radials for the street, they are much safer, although they still suck in the rain, if you go very slow when it rains you should survive, LOL
just because you can, doesnt mean its a good idea.
4.10s wastes a lot of gas without an overdrive.
the stall creates a LOT of additional heat if you dont have a monster trans cooler.
the spool makes for janky turns at low speed and even worse on the wet plus it puts undue strain on the driveline.
its fun for sure, but lets not pretend that its great for a daily.
Never said it was a daily driver, it’s a street/strip car. Fuel mileage is not a concern. Have big aluminum radiator with big trans cooler in front of it and as far as the driveline. Big aftermarket aluminum driveshaft, bigger u-joint and Moser alloy steel axles.
Where would be a good place to find 8 three-quarter Mopar rear end for a 72 Dodge Dart swinger with a 318,360 heads, 268 comp cam and a 904 automatic?
You probably going to search Facebook marketplace or get one at a mopar swap. Stuff is getting harder to find.
Thanks
Hi, nice duster! I’m thinking of 4:10 gears also with my 28” drag radials. Question is your fuel pump mounted at your rear bumper ?
Thank you! and yes my Holley red pump is mounted in the rear.
Badass Demon by the way