The Jedi Really Screwed Anakin Skywalker
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- The Jedi believed that Anakin Skywalker was far too old and emotional to join the Order. The death of Qui Gon Jinn would drastically change that situation. What resulted was an uneasy relationships between Anakin and the order that would seed doubt in the young jedi's mind.
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Imagine you go to a therapist over having anxiety, and the therapist just says "You look anxious. Get out. I only teach calm people how to handle anxiety."
That's basically the Jedi Council here.
Except the council were dealing with someone who wasn't a Jedi and who's training would go against the Jedi code, it makes sense even if it's flawed
It's more like this: someone wants to become a therapist but is too emotionally unstable. Basically they're aware he would make a good therapist but also know it's ridiculously risky to make him a therapist
@@Jiub_SNhe was mostly unstable because of how he was treated by the order, he learns the order could have saved his mom, quigon, the nicest jedi to him, still didn’t care much for him, trying to pawn him off to another master, the masters treated him like shit, even when he put in the work, put in the hours, he was denied a seat on the council, obiwan was like a brother when he should have been a father, dude, when asohka, the padawan he trained, relized how problematic the council was, that her framing had been caused by a padawan who turned to the dark side, trained by another master that lacked the empathy and compassion to help a child, ah yes, we couldn’t fully indoctrinate this child and brainwash him, but still forced him into our cult and out of slavery, he was always going to be u stable, the council’s at fault here.
@@Jiub_SNI agree but they took him in despite it all and should have special accidents for him I t may be unfair to all the older kids who were rejected for sure and all that but now that he was there I think preventing the chosen one from going evil is a nesscary reason to add accomodations cuz he's so darn powerful if he does go the wrong way
Kenobi was like a brother to Anakin. Only problem is that what he really needed was a father, Qui Gon.
It's oddly appropriate to identify Obi-Won and Anakin's relationship as "brotherhood." Compare how their relationship came to be with an actual, biological sense of brotherhood, i.e., Obi-Won is padawan or "son" to Qui-Gon, then suddenly, and with relatively little understanding of how/why to Obi-Won, a new arrival comes into the picture and gets this special attention from "dad" (Qui-Gon). Obi-Won has a bit of resentment but does ultimately embrace Anakin as his "little brother." Anakin, of course, holds a similar perspective as a younger brother to his elder brother, Obi-Won. I can go on with this analogy, but I think the picture is pretty much established.
@@GoldenArcher07I think Anakin definitely saw Kenobi as a father, while Kenobi might have just seen Anakin as a brother.
@@GoldenArcher07 That just tells me Anakin desperately wanted a father figure and latched onto anyone he saw as such. In the end though, that was Palpatine. Doesn't mean Obi Wan viewed him in the same way. If he was a father figure, he was a pretty crappy one. Pretty crappy brother too...
The Order could've helped Ani a lot by helping his mother.
All they needed to do was free her from slavery, move her somewhere better, and set her up with a job. Something an organisation as huge and influential as the Jedi Order could do easily.
Then they tell Anakin that she's safe and well and has a better life, but not where, and he would have much less stress and fear, making it easier for him to learn emotional control.
Honestly I think if they had freed her, Palpatine would just have her assassinated or something about the same time frame as her canon death. She was still a sure way to get to Anakin for Palpatine.
@@CorvusRedd and maybe making it look more as "because of the jedi, she was ok in Tatooine"
@@akusworld5117 Very good point lol.
@CorvusRedd
The Jedi didn’t know that though. The only reason they didn’t free Anakin’s mom was because they apparently didn’t think a single slave was worth their time. The Jedi were like the robots in I, Robot, calculatedly benevolent, but lacking in any understanding of what it’s like to be a human being (or sapient alien).
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 If we free Shmi Skywalker, we have to free everyone. - The Jedi Council, probably
The Jedis fear of him falling to the dark side made him fall to the dark side eventually. A self fullfilling prophecy. He brought balance to the force as there were much more jedi than sith for 1000 years?
The jedi are the dark side imo. Self-righteuous douchebags who were all to happy to play war as long as it meant they were winning. Useful idiots, every last one. At least sith want to use the force for their benefit instead of being govt thugs.
I have always thought that Anakin represented how Jedi life and philosophy isn’t compatible with reality. The Jedi of the prequel era are so tied up in their doctrine that adapting to irregular situations barely crossed their minds. They are so focused on the negative potential of what emotions and relationships could bring that they dismissed any possible positives by discouraging building bonds with others and learning to identify any emotions they had. Anakin needed to learn how to process his emotions in an honest and healthy way, but the environment and people he was with only helped his emotions control him.
That is definitely where this began.
You know that’s a really interesting way to look at it. I feel like I’ve had this thought before (subconsciously maybe). But, you have helped put it into a clear and concise message. I think if most people in the real world were plucked from their life and put into the Jedi Order they’d end up like Anakin. I have a feeling I would. What do you think?
Very good points there.
I think this is a good way to interpret it, but I suspect that it wasn't what Lucas intended. Lucas has said that Qui-Gon was wrong to want to train Anakin while Filoni has said that had Qui-Gon defeated Darth Maul, he would have provided Anakin the fatherly figure that Anakin needed and prevent the fall to the Dark Side hence why it's the "duel of the fates".
Lucas has studied Eastern philosophy and has described himself as a "Buddhist Methodist", but his statements on the Dark Side are very much Western Christian and not Eastern in nature. He describes the Dark Side as a corruption of good and that achieving balance means purging the Dark Side, not finding balance and harmony between Yin and Yang. He also seems to believe that the right way to deal with adversity is to just suck it up. Obviously that isn't a particularly healthy way to go about things and going about it that way has adversely impacted his personal life.
Of course, Lucas has changed his mind on a lot of things so even his word isn't a guarantee of what he he intended when he originally made the prequels.Thus I think we need to invoke death of the author and read what is there and not what was intended, and it's pretty clear that Anakin was not raised in a healthy environment which as you say simply isn't compatible with reality.
Anakin's situation reminds me of the saying "the child that is not embraced by his village will burn it down to feel its warmth". He had all the burdens and expectations of being the Chosen One, but the very people calling him that rejected him and gave him dogmatic platitudes rather than good advice and standing by him or supporting him. And for all the talk about how fear leads to the Dark Side, it was pretty clear that the Jedi were hypocritically acting out of fear. The result is that the village very much was burned down.
Dogmatism will do that.
Imagine *if* the Jedi were like back in the days of Nomi Sunrider, Revan, or the Exile. As in not detached from emotions completely like they were by the time they came across Anakin. Heck, imagine *if* they were like Qui Gon or Kanan, then the whole Anakin becoming Vader could’ve been avoided.
You know, what you said really reminds me of something I've always said about Anakin Skywalker, how he was born not only in the wrong century but the wrong millennia for him to be in the Old Jedi Order, and that he would have done far better in the Order had he been born a thousand years or so earlier. Anakin-among other things-was a warrior at heart, and given how the Order was structured at the time-including being more militant-Anakin would have been right at home in the Jedi Order during the New Sith Wars, certainly fit in well with the Jedi Lords of the time. In the last decade of that period, I could see him being right at home in Jedi Lord Hoth's Army of Light fighting against the Brotherhood of Darkness. Had Anakin Skywalker entered the order a thousand years earlier in 1032 BBY instead of 32 BBY, he not only would have done better, he would have thrived. Sadly that was not the case, and Anakin Skywalker for all intents and purposes was born in the wrong era entirely.
@@JediMasterZim In AotC, Padme tells Anakin he is in luck, there is a rare fruit that only comes to harvest every five or seven years which brings Naboo great wealth.
In the following up Clone Wars novels, that Naboo fruit as a wine per litter is worth thousands of credit on the open market. The raw fresh fruit itself is worth binding on, thousands of credits per kilogram.
Some century harvest it gets so bad, they have to chase smugglers picking it by hand at night. The cartels pay out ten's of thousands of credits for a full bag load. In a novel Anakin stated it is wealth that should go to aid people, not to serve at a pirates' table.
Then one guy asked Anakin what he would be doing if let on Tatooine ?
Obi Wan replied, " Getting distracted by some young pretty thing, shine speeder or owner's daughter ?
Turns out the Jedi tend to rub elbows with some shady people over their years of learnt investigating.
2.) As for the New Sith Wars, or something, in all three eras or what not, every Sith empire had to negotiate business contracts with the Hutts. It was the Hutts that keep the Republic .. balance .. for millennia by drawing out the most underhanded and aggressive members of each species. The short lived races run all over the place and doing a bunch of random damage. Well teenagers being young .. adults .. and such. We the Hutts like .. controlled .. damage, less random and less like to mess with long term profits in short term gains."
b.) How many Sith draw from Hutt space ended up getting tired of Lord Khan Brotherhood of Darkness and went back to their old lifestyle jobs or settle down and started large families with many children and cousins. Face the facts, you have to breed soldiers from a give selection from any given gene pool, unless they did away the blood cell count test. Khan's war took such a total even the Jedi had to look/recruit young children cause if they didn't. The Sith would take them. It took centuries to rebuild populations and infrastructure.
( Side note from EU/legends the Corillian green rob Jedi, well lets just say a Lot of Jedi come from that space sector. Once a 30year old Jedi knight, many went for years or drop of the map and don't bother with temple business.)
There should be a bunch of Sith cultist mixed into smuggler or pirate bands families/clans even Mandorlian tribes/clans. They just don't use lightsabers, and they are down on the low down in any use of public force abilities. You don't want to get caught cheating in cards, dice, slots, etc ... mind tricking con jobs, forget the Jedi you have the Hutts and the other cartels coming after you, and your family. There are social manners in robbing the other card players of everything they have, just like an old Western poker game.
Their sites, space ports are on locations like Yoda swamp, they Live in One with the darkside natural animals life aura force fields. They blend into local surroundings.
They are tired of provoking a losing damage war with the Jedi. Some end up just wanting to watch their own grandchildren grow into adulthood, in a homemade Sith shrine surround by a few dozen war buddies. Knock back beer and shots of whisky.
I concur with you completely.
@@krispalermo8133 I don't see how what any of your points has anything to do with either my comment or JediMasterZim's reply. Kind of irrelevant actually.
@@JediMasterZimI wholeheartedly agree with you, I also feel that Anakin would’ve fit in with the Jedi order over a millennia ago when the Jedi and the Sith Empire were warring with each other.
The Jedi were already blinded by their own dogma by the time Anakin was broght before the council. Palpatine and his master had been influencing the Republic for years before the Naboo crisis. Yoda didn't agree with the council to accept Annakin and still had doubts during the Clone Wars.
Palpatine fits the classic abuser mold. Once he found someone lonely and scared, whose desperation came from both, he fostered these emotions, crafting them in a way that pushed Anakin closer to him, and away from anyone else that could potentially give him outside happiness and support. That's why he wanted Anakin to leave an unconscious Obi-Wan on the ship to die. It's why, according to a lot of fans' belief, he killed Shmi and Padme. If he couldn't influence these events directly, he stoked Anakin's negative emotions to make him do the pushing away for him: "If I can't make them turn on you myself, then I'll make sure that YOU make them turn on you. Then, you'll have nowhere else to go, but my side." He promised Anakin immense power, but he never actually intended to let him reach that. Everything talked about in this video is how I felt, throughout the entire prequel trilogy. This is coming from someone, who went from ages 8 to 14, as the films premiered. During "Revenge of the Sith", in particular, I remember thinking in the movie theater, "HOW THE HELL DID YOU PEOPLE MISS WHAT WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU", and that included Obi-Wan. Anakin needed their full confidence and support, and their lack of it drove him into becoming what they feared he would. They created their own monster, a tragedy that would repeat itself roughly fifty years later, through the life of his grandson, Ben. (11/2/2023)
Palpatine also fits the mold of a groomer. Groomers intentionally seek out lonely, scared or vulnerable people in order to gain their trust for the purpose of abusing them. They want the person to be their "friend" so they can use the friendship to exploit them because of course people naturally trust thier friends.
That is an amazing analysis on it I agree , it was obvious Anakin was vulnerable and the answer isn't to ignore a person like that. I know the Jedi didn't even want him but he was their responsibility to prevent from turning to the dark side and even if he stayed good the pain and suffering her went through is plain wrong obviously and shouldnt have been let to happen
@@englishlady9797Yes He is a perfect definition of a groomer and is a actually a great way to show a evil sith lord as taking advantage of someone who considers you a friend for your won selfish goal and that leads Anakin to be trapped alongside him once he joins the darkside. Not excusing his actions as Vader but explaining how whe got there
In the end it was the fear that the Jedi held, the fear of what Anakin would do, the fear of the Separatists' threat, the fear of Palpatine's growing influence, and the fear of the return of the Sith that led to the Jedi developing unacknowledged or even denied feelings of hatred. This would ultimately lead to the suffering and downfall of the Jedi Order.
You hit it right on the head. The Jedi strode the Galaxy like (lower g) gods. But they forgot that above all else, a god must have compassion. They ironically feared attachment too much.
The PT Jedi projected their own fears onto Anakin, during his interview in TPM.
Fear and caution are different. The Jedi were somewhat self aware enough to know that training anakin could be a bad idea
"See through you we can". ~ Yoda
Meanwhile in Anakin's mind, he could have very well sensed every single one of them just as strongly, if not more.
They took this golden goose and turned it into an ugly duckling. They, themselves, corrupted Anakin - and Papa Palps merely swooped in to claim the prize at the 11th hour before destroying the nonsense that had been the "Jedi Order".
Had the Jedi Order been proactive, competent, and open to discover how to appropriately form a bond with Anakin, then they wouldn't have fallen to Order 66 because it wouldn't have been issued.
Just another thing Dooku and Anakin have in common. The Jedi treated them both like crap until they lost faith in the order and fell to the dark side and Sidious' manipulations.
"Your thoughts dwell on your mother."
"I miss her."
"Afraid to lose her you are."
"That's not what I said. Making assumptions you are."
Luke also has a self fulfilling prophecy. He foresees the darkness in his nephew and that Ben will destroy the new Jedi Temple. He's about to strike Ben down but then holds off. Ben sees his uncle about to strike him down and the Dark Side takes advantage of this. Ben then falls to the Dark Side and destroys the new Jedi Temple; just as Luke foresaw.
What are you talking about?
That was all fanfiction.
@@shubhanshushrivastava3471 you're fanfiction.
That doesn't make sense
Why would the dude who almost DIED to bring a broken Anakin Skywalker back to the Light suddenly call it quits and try to kill his own nephew despite the fact all he had to go on for this 'big disaster' was a bad dream?
Ah who am I kidding expecting logic from a person with a profile picture of Filoni's Mary Sue OC?
@@jeremyallen5974 The Dark Side is diminished but never extinguished. To believe that Luke could never have his mind clouded by the Dark Side ever again is illogical.
@@TheRumblewagon right, and Rey getting super good with the Force in less than a month was SO MUCH BETTER
Piss off
It’s ironic the Jedi council had a big thing with fear leading to the darkside, when they feared the darkside themselves.
It's sad to see someone look and feel so alone.
Oh I love this paradigm, in reality as well. Written, told or foretold stories have higher chance to unfold, to be acted out and repeated
As the guy who made "Palpatine is goat" video said - they handed over the messiah to the devil.
This is what I've been saying: the order created Vader, not Sidious.
Sidious only helped.
Wow. Man you have an awesome perspective on the Jedi. The general bungling in the making of Phantom Menace kept me from engaging in the unfolding of the narrative in all the times its played out in front of me. Some form of hero worship from a fan perspective? Not that I hadn't seen them as aloof and rather antiseptic, but these points you bring up really hit home, and I'm seeing the Jedi in a whole new light. And it's not a favorable one. People mention taking children from their families at such young ages, but I understood some of the practicality in that. But you are right on so many different points and I am loving this - it's a fresh perspective for me and I appreciate it. The most ironic thing is for a group of people who encourage others to stretch out with their feelings they seemed to have very little for this little boy with such a troubled history. It's funny how the Jedi could have such terrible intermediary and communication skills with such a young boy. Their understanding and use of Psychology makes even the worst parents look bad. Now I can really see how the Jedi had a much greater role in Anakin's fall than I did before. Even though they may not have seen themselves that way, they may have intended better all in favor of the greater good but they really had lousy, lousy execution. This bears much deeper investigation. You have totally unspooled my mind.
The phantom mance still contradicts Obi Wan's telling Luke about his father. He didn't think he could in structure him as well as Yoda . And he said the boy was dangerous so he was right. And he didn't take it upon himself he gave Qigon his word
“Empire Strikes Back” contradicts Obi-WAN’s statements in “A New Hope.” I think we can safely say Obi-Wan has a nebulous relationship with the truth.
@@magicaltour1 Even his girlfriend knew it.
Obiwan was set up to fail, he didn't have the chance to come into his own before he became a Jedi master to a student, he had Yoda train Luke instead of Leia in order to prove a point
Regardless of whether you go with the pre-Disney Star Wars Legends or the newer Disney Canon, the same problem for Anakin in respect to the Jedi Order and his place within it remains: Anakin Skywalker, for the purpose of entering the Jedi Order, was born not only in the wrong century but the wrong millennia and era altogether. Had Anakin been born a thousand years prior, or in some of the other earlier eras of the Jedi Order-especially the more war-torn periods where the Jedi Order would by necessity be more militant-Anakin probably would have fit in far better, been received better and had a Jedi Order both more willing and more able to handle him and his needs-at least by comparison, anyways. Given how in many ways Anakin Skywalker seemed to thrive in the Clone Wars and the environment it provided, where he became this big war hero known as the "Hero With No Fear", no doubt he would have been right at home during the New Sith Wars from 2000 BBY to 1000 BBY, or even one of the other major periods of Jedi-Sith conflict like during the Great Galactic War. If nothing else, Anakin Skywalker surely would have been given more respect in one of these prior eras. Sadly Anakin was born in the wrong era and joined the wrong version of the Jedi Order, one that he just didn't fit into and was not equipped to handle someone like him, and we all saw how that ended.
One thing I'm curious about is whether you would think that the Legends version of the New Jedi Order rectified the problems you cited with the Prequel Era Jedi. Both The Lore Master and The Stupendous Wave have released videos stating that it did, and offering analyses to back it up, and I think it'd be interesting to see if you agree or disagree. Hope that suggestion appeals to you.
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Well I got the impression that he was already disturbed way before he got to the Academy and the same for his grandson Kylo Ren
Attachment is a path to the dark side, including the Jedi's attachment to the Jedi Order.
Qui-Gon should have left the order when they refused Anakin and he would still be alive to train him, Anakin would have not been so easy to manipulate with the force with Qui by his side.
Anakin should have left the order with Ashoka, I think he would have had the sense to listen to Maul and would have warned Yoda, it may not have made a difference in the downfall of the Republic but he would have had Yoda, Ashoka, Obi, Qui and potentially Maul by his side to fight the Empire.
If the OT hadn't come first, I think the prequels would have played out radically different, such as the order succumbing to Palpatine's manipulations and turning to the dark side, while Anakin and those closest to him take a more practical approach to the Jedi teachings, and as a result, move closer to the light.
Going further down this rabbit hole, Padme is either murdered or persuaded by Palpatine, and Luke and Leia are raised as his proteges, with Luke being something akin to Lord Starkiller who is conditioned to hunt down and destroy Anakin in a complete role reversal.
I know I have said this before. I still think it is worth talking about. There were some very real legal restrictions that would have made the Jedi freeing Shmi difficult, maybe impossible. There was one who could have done something without any problems. Queen Padme. She saw what Anakin's mother was going through. Naboo really had a debt to Anakin. She could have sent an envoy to Watto and bought Shmi. I mean, petty cash could have taken care of it. Watts would have become rich, and a free Shmi could have been taken to Naboo and given a job where she would have been well paid.
Well, apparently in some other sources, Qui-Gonn managed to set somethingin motion leading to Owen Lars being able to buy Shmi and free her before he died, which makes some sense as more-discreet (And less of an intervention by Republic officials in Hutt-controlled space. ) In that scenario, Anakin never finding *out* about it made it still-a-problem.
In one of the novels, Padme did try. She was in her official capacity as queen, so she was forced to use one of her handmaidens to do the leg work. However, handmaiden's mission was to free slaves, with an emphasis of trying to free Shmi also. The handmaiden's efforts were handicapped by lack of knowledge of Tatooine's politics (leading her to talk with the wrong people) and over paying the market value of slaves (diminishing her resources and lowering her effectiveness). When it was all said and done, at the end of Padme's queenship, only a couple transports of slaves were freed, and Padme's handmaid had no credibility with the anti-Hutt factions and Tatooine.
The intent was there, and meant well. But I think Padme would have been better off offering Watto a couple of brand new N-1 starfighters in straight trade for Shmi. Not as glamorous as freeing all slaves, but at least effective for Shmi.
Could just do a night time undercover mission, thus came thus gone, simply vanish doesnt have to be more complicated than that.
Anakin's mom was a slave, slaves have no value to slavers theyre a replaceable workforce, it's not like they're going to send anyone to look for her.
The real issue is the Jedi's fall into dogmatism, the Jedi order was meant to be perceiving where things we're out of balance, letting someone lose their life in the most meaningless way possible which is the life of slave because they can't do anything due to ''certain laws'' is out of balance, governments are not representatives of the Force, they represent their own interests.
But the Jedi completely forgot this and they started to uphold the law more than the ways of the Force.
Shmi should of been saved.
This is prime example of why you are the best star wars you tuber. Thank you
13:02 'Be mindful of your thoughts Anakin theyd betray you ' Oh indeed Obi Wan, oh indeed
Like for example, Anakin's thought of sharing with his dear and trusted Master with such private and personal revelation, opening himself just to be punished for his trust on his Master.
Lesson Learned Obi Wan, never reveal your inner thoughts to the Jedi, be secretive and never trust the supposed 'Good Guys'
Great breakdown and explanation.
No. I can't blame Anakin for his fall. I feel that because they refused to meet him halfway and if they'd accepted he was different, and a former slave, the Jedi Order signed their own death warrants, and because none of them trusted him, what do they expect? But what I dislike the most is they blame him for everything.
Also, one last thing generations tech Anakin Skywalker will always and forever have the highest and unique midi-chlorian count ever in Star Wars, history confirmed, and stated by George Lucas himself because the rest you know, and I don’t need to tell you thank you
No one cares about those. He's half robot
Yeah, because George doesn't like his characters being upstaged by others.
Which is why we have Dark Empire Palpatine and his million-and-one powers he has that could have won him the Galaxy at any time but somehow forgot he had for some reason.
It's also known as the Krillin problem.
@@Planag7 not Vader I mean anakin Skywalker
@@Lobsterwithinternetpower creep is a pain
@@AlechiaTheWitch Quite.
Especially when you're having to write a story that’s following up something like the Original Trilogy and you need to attract that audience to make your book profitable.
If Qui Gon had just stuck to his mission, got Padme to where she was going and left the grumpy orphan on Tatooine fixing shit and pod-racing, none of this would have happened.
Ironically, Luke Skywalker’s early life would have been exactly the same.
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.
I’ve been waiting for this
I keep telling my boss, “You can’t make decisions based on what ‘should be’; you have to make decisions based on what ‘is’.”
This is why I don't like that the Jedi of this time are considered to be the best in their combat abilities or wisdom or empathy
THEY TOTALLY SCREWED THEMSELVES AND THE THOUSAND-YEARS REPUBLIC HAD TO PAY THE PRICE, Palpatine didn't even have to do much to screw the Order, he just have to focus on blindsiding the Order via the Republic and embracing Anakin as his son.
I refuse to believe that Yoda, Windu, or Plo Koon are wiser than Revan, Kreia, or even FUCKING Rey because none of them would mishandle Anakin this bad.
"Eh, sad but true." - Prince Naveen
A farfetched claim yet I cannot deny its plausability (Karax)
Your videos are very interesting you have a lot of knowledge about Star Wars
Ive pretty much always blamed the Jedi for Anakin's, and other Jedi falling to the dark side. They way the Jedi "raise" children does not support healthy emotional awareness.
One thing that probably didn't help was when they arbitrarily tossed out they own rules. When he executed, brutally, Dooku an expressed remorse for it. They dismissed it with a hand wave an basically an "executed smexecute" . An when in Chancellors office when Windu FINALLY trusts him to do what he knows, or thought he knew Anakin to do, an try to kill Palpatine Anakin wasn't in mood an was trying to follow the code an bring him in.
I don't think the Jedi had any actual rules against killing Sith. Obi Wan was literally promoted for killing Maul.
Yeah, no shit. Hellen Keller with her hands chopped off could see how much the Jedi fucked up Anakin, that's how bad their treatment of him was. Hell Obi-Wan was one of maybe THREE Jedi who treated Anakin like a decent human being, those being Plo-Koon and Shaak Ti.
My whole thing is the Jedi are stupid, now if they fully rejected him and casted him out and a sith came across him, now you have one hell of a problem on your hand that none of you can deal with.
Despite the Jedi council's s awareness of Anakin's attachment to both his mother and Padme, (well, at least Obi Wan knew the latter), they chose to send him on a mission to protect Padme. Yep, 2 hormonal teenagers off alone... Good move, Jedi council. That's definitely gonna keep Anakin's passions in check....
Padme was actually 24 by that point.
“The code forbids it” Pretty sure it actually doesn’t. It talks about austerity and letting go of attachments. Don’t think it says you can have only one padawan.
I note that Yoda's whole spiel about fear being a path to the dark side is amusing. What Yoda is saying is that Anakin's love for his mother, which makes him fearful for her when she is no longer with him and of course fearful for himself without her is bad / wrong. Fuck that! Fuck Yoda!!
So the order dont want to train him because he has fear of losing his mother and Yoda goes on his little rant about what fear leads to, but then what did the council feel about him to make this decision? FEAR, they feared him, now what was it you just said about fear Yoda? oh right, such hypocrites!
Always down to watch a video about how the Jedi were incompetent.
It might have been said on this channel b4 idk, I think they, the Jedi, PURPOSELY left and wouldn't return for Anakins mother for the exact reason said here. They feared his attachment so they just left the woman on Tatooine.
“You’re afraid for your mother.”
“Of course, she’s a slave on a crime-ridden backwater.”
“You know what needs to be done about that?”
“You could buy her freedom and bring her someplace safe.”
“No, you, a 10-year-old child, need to stop caring about your mother.”
“I think freeing her would be simpler, as well as more benevolent.”
“None of us care about our mothers.”
“None of you even really know your mothers. You have zero frame of reference for what a familial relationship is like.”
“Yes, and neither should you. After all, the best way to care for the galaxy is to make sure you never truly care about any of the people who are part of the galaxy.”
Anakin: well this sucks... you know what, I'm going to start my *own* Order and THEY won't be a bunch of (speaks Huttese)!
Why did the jedi order see "balance to the force" even as a good thing, while they were in power
Probably because they saw it as the total destruction of the Dark Side.
That's an interesting question!
The chosen One was supposed to restore the balance to the Force. Why was the Force unbalanced in the fist place? One of the reasons is that the Jedi Order's vision was too focused on the Light Side and tended to suppress emotions instead of learning to deal with them. The policy of removing all the Force sensitive children from their families is a good example of this. It seems that the members of the Jedi Order expected the Chosen One to think exactly like them, to tell them what they wanted to hear. But the Chosen One, whoever he was, could not change things if he acted and thought exactly like the Jedi Order. He was supposed to bring something different. The Jedi, as rational beings, shoud have understood this, but they did not, perhaps from arrogance, but also from lack of open mind, from lack of capacity to question their own ways. As a consequence, Anakin, who was different in many ways, was seen as a threat instead of an inspiration to change the old ways. As a result, Anakin became Darth Vader and restored the balance to the Force by violent means, by eliminating the Jedi.
It was unbalanced because Sidious was trying to create life and basically act like he is in Jurassic Park. In response, Anakin was created.
he was supposed to bring balance to the force
he did exactly that
I mean what's the worse that can happen, they train this kid whose going to become more powerful than any of them, and he grows up to help overthrow The Republic and become a Dark Lord of the Sith or something?!
Not to mention all that stuff with Ashoka
"From my point of view the Jedi are evil"
Jedi; those scamps!
Well, they filled his head with being this major savior but they never showed him more restrain.
What they should have done is give him his due as the chosen one.
Let's be honest Anakin got screwed over when Qui-Gon Jinn Hit the Floor dead.
I never understood what was the Jedi council plan; leave a massive force sensitive kid untrained so he can... What? Go eventually full darkside by himself? What was the plan there?😅
they're stupid... what else is new?
They do mind-numbing shit like this all the time.
Was it the jedi order, or yoda’s order
So…by denying Anakin to train as a Jedi, weren’t they risking him becoming a Sith given that they could sense his true power??? Hmm..
Were the Jedi required to ignore all potentially powerful force users if they were beyond toddler age?
Seems like they were asking for self destruction.
@generationtech Hey Allen, great video as always. Just wondering what the name of the first background song used in your video is? Thanks for the great content and for the regular uploads!
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Welp oof to Anakin... At least we got a nice story. XD
Apparently, being cynical blocks you from being Jedi or Sith:
Anakon's Mother : " There was no father."
Jedi: "He was sired bt the Living Force!:
Sith:"He was sired by the techniques of Darth Plaguis!"
Cynic: "His mother got roofied."
Quai-Gon should have told the Order to go Fruck-Off !!! Seriously !!!
The jedi were 100% right about anakin based on how things turned out. I mean they told him the fear of losing his mother might lead to the dark side and when anakin had a dream of his mother being in danger he went to tatoine and ended up killing the sand people including their women and children. And his fear of losing padme years later brought his descent to darkness full circle. You can say the jedis' ways were flawed in a lot of situations but they tried to avoid getting anakin into the mix because they thought their ways wouldn't work and they were strong armed by qui gon and obi wan. The jedi were allowed to say no to anakin because they didn't think he would be a good fit because of his personality. But imo there might have been a chance things might have turned out ok with a different way of teaching. For example yoda stepped in to teach dooku thinking it would be better for him if yoda trained him despite his position but eventually things didn't turn out as he hoped. So could the jadi change their ways a bit to become better? Sure. Will their current way of doing work with anakin? No which was why he shouldn't have been trained to be a jedi unless it was a special case with a different approach like qui gon for example who was unorthodox.
Religious Dogma screwing over the Jedi is just another nail in their coffin.
Dogma and bureaucracy doomed the Jedi.
The empire would have been completely different had Count Dooku became the Grand Inquisitor and Anikan became full strength now body loss Obi Wan was killed by Maul.
on Earth we would call taking away infants from their parents kidnapping and human tarfficking, something like a cult would do. Yoda could have just been a cult leader.. If you look at some of the Jedi orders ways, it is a little cultish. To bring balance to the force both the Jedi order and Sith had to be destroyed. Don't get me wrong I like star wars, but looking to deep into canon and lore, you get to that sounds cultish.
The version of Jedi is amazing it flows and follow the Rong destiny and disturbing full aniken in the beferent oregen
Right, had not fer nor hate of the darkside, did the council in their ivory tower.
To a certain degree, both the Jedi and the Sith make horrible foster parents.
Hot take,
But anakin wasnt strong enough to be a jedi.
He was weak so weak he literally fell to anger instead of trusting the force.
Anakin was a terrible jedi
A good warrior sure, but a jedi doesnt need adventure.
A jedis mind in on what he is doing where he is.
I like to compare Anakin to Greek heroes like Hercules or Achilles. Great warriors, very powerful, but ruled by their emotions, to the detriment of the people around them.
Great video, but man, you really need a Good Night's sleep!
Nah. Tired of the Anakin defenders. He should have never been trained. I'm on the Jedi side
With all due respect to the Force, I have to question the prophecy. For starters, we can’t agree on what balance in the Force means! I’m in the camp that thinks it means wiping out the Dark Side or at least the Sith, but others think it means destroying both the Jedi and the Sith.
On top of that no matter which definition you go for, the prophecy seems to fail in both Canon and Legends. In both timelines, Palpatine and the Sith return while Luke tries to rebuild the Jedi Order. It’s usually someone else who has to take down these new Sith enemies. Rey in Canon and Ania Solo.
If the interpretation the prophecy means the end of the Sith, that clearly failed. And given the nature of the Dark Side, the Sith can still return. As for the interpretation of the prophecy meaning the fall of both the Jedi and the Sith or at least an equal amount of light and dark, that leaves the galaxy to continue to be a war zone as Sith try to conquer while Jedi fight to stop them.
Look, I don’t agree with that Kreia lady from KOTOR 2 on stuff like destroying the Force, but sometimes I have to wonder if it acts in the best interests of everyone, like the Christian God before I became an atheist.
As for the whole children issue, I’m a bit on the fence. We do see how personal relationships are helpful to many Jedi, so it definitely makes you think twice about taking Force-Sensitive children away from their families. Personally if I was in charge, I would want the entire family to move to the Jedi Temple. Of course many families probably wouldn’t want to be uprooted and what about those that don’t want their kids raised as Jedi?
The Jedi created Darth Vader.
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I prefer a legends story where Mace and Yoda aee in a cafe talking about the prophecy and their worry slash fear of it. Balance in the force made one of rhem (i forget who) point out if there are thousands of Jedi and 2 sith, Balance could mean a scale and the removal (death) of almost all the jedi. Or a new sith order with hundreds of members. They were soon interrupted when a flying bantha attacked
And I prefer Kreia’s philosophy.
I saw that one, I think. Wasn’t that also a spoof on the “Pulp Fiction” cafe scene?
The jedi failed anikan, they let his mother die, they made him bottle up his feelings, they didn't care about him besides him being supposed to bring balance to the force. He never wanted to become a sith. Hes a victim. They corrupt and apathetic to him. They were right, he was too old so he couldn't properly be brainwashed. Poor kid.
Also i dont consider the clone wars cannon.
i mean anakins whole existence is pretty much one big red flag that the jedi lost their way a
slave boy born into the outer rim that the jedi refuse to go into and fix that bullshit who is age 9 apparently to old for them to train as a jedi even though thats bullshit who had a healthy attachment to his mother but is a bit protective but that can be fixed with teaching him emotional intelligence such as "dont destroy the universe cause your wife might maybe possibly die just be sad" and he is treated like an annoying little shit because he actually has feelings and only wants to help people he pretty much DID fulfill his purpose it had 2 possible outcomes either
A: the jedi see that their really really really really REALLY far from what they are meant to be and he gets to destroy the sith OR
B: he fucking eradicates both jedi AND sith because the jedi are to fucking BLIND to see how horrible they are
in all honesty if they treated him with respect kindness and tried to understand why he acts the way he does they could have saved themselves all the bullshit they endured
However one could say that Anakin was destined for the dark side to betray Palpatine and destroy the Sith. Anakin’s redemption was the final act of his character arc in ROTJ, thereby restoring order to the force. It was kind of the main point.
(No, I don’t subscribe to the sequel trilogy as it was a complete and utter dumpster fire)
The Jedi should have refused to train Anakin.
Just only reading your title, YES. The Jedi screwed Anakin over. I’ve always hated the prequels because of this. The stories are awful and make the Jedi look like fools. Awful movies. Just a bit better than 7,8 and 9, tho. Ugh.
The should not have let him in the first place episode 2 just showed mentally unstable he was
Okay, now I'm not a fan of a lot of GL's stuff. However, to describe individual Jedi (like Yoda) as being cruel or somehow something inhumane, uncaring, or immoral is just false. Yoda, Plo Kloon, and others, were good men and women! They were compassionate and loving and a family. Look I will critique the Order and their view of the Code and what it meant. However, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Plo Koon and many, many, others were good people and I will die on that hill.
This is why it irritates me to no end that, Luke in the sequels made the same mistakes that the old order did.
He was trained by the old order so bound to repeat it
no offense but their is no excuse for Anakin. Yes the Jedi should have helped Anakin more, they should have given him more helpful advice rather than platitudes. But Anakin could have left the Jedi when ever he wanted after he married Padme. But he did not he gave into anger hell the guy massacred defenseless women and children, he killed uncontrollably and no grief is an excuse for that, he did not fog out to find the exact aiders that were responsible for his mothers death did he. That darkness was inside Anakin all the time.
You DO REALIZE this shit didn't happen overnight, right?
Stop using strawman arguments to excuse the Jedi's poor treatment of the kid
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The Jedi and Sith are the problem
I disagree, why does anakin gave to have all thees e exceptions because hes unstable. Put him in a psy ward
The Jedi should've saved Anakin's mother, given them a reunion and told him they would make sure she was safe and to keep her that way he would have to stop or reduce his contact with her.
Of course, if that happened he wouldn't of been so messed up---and you don't get a movie franchise out of that story.
Interesting how this channel wouldn’t let us forget Ukraine but gives no fucks about Palestine
The main person to screw over Anakin was ANAKIN! The jedi were imperfect and flawed, to be sure, but at the end of the day, his choices were his own. What ever happened to personal responsibility!
Right, blame the student because the teachers were fucking useless
Moron
To be fair of the first example, it sounds like they did take immediate action but you can’t save a planet you don’t know the location of.
All they had to do was what they knew was right.