I thought Morgan Fairchild was the best Jenna. Francine Tacker was a good actress, but too plain looking. Priscilla Presley had the looks, but wasn't a very versatile actress. Where as Morgan Fairchild had both looks and acting chops.
This was a cop-out to what could have been a very interesting storyline at a time when the show desperately needed one: Bobby vs. Ray. What if Jenna had stayed angry at Bobby and refused to let him see the baby? What would Ray do if Bobby insisted and/or sued for custody or visitation rights? How might JR have tried to use the situation to his advantage? Instead, the writers took the easy, less-dramatic route and had everybody kiss and make up. Too bad.
Lord have mercy, that is AWFULLY strange that Bobby, and Ray would have been with each other's first loves. Ray with Pam, Bobby with Jenna. Then Bobby was with Pam too. How incredibly awkward that must be, and now you are going to marry the guy's first love? How crazy is that. But Ray was a big time player back in the day. He hooked up with Pam, Jenna, Lucy, Donna, and Sue Ellen. That's pretty much all the Ewing women.
I don't think Pam was Ray's first love. Ray was already 30+ when he was with Pam and it wasn't that serious. It's just that Ray was with Pam before Bobby.
Jenna was only settling with Ray because she couldn't have Bobby because he wanted Pam. Deep down she was holding on to one last sliver of hope that her engagement to Ray would make him realize that she was the one he really wanted. That didn't happen and it was the point she painfully knew that her childhood dreams of marrying Bobby were truly over.
I'm with you there. I believed that the marriage was more for convenience since she really had no financial stability. Ray had the bucks and could support Jenna.
By the fall of 1987 the storylines and scripts became really terrible. By 1989 - 1990 season came along Bobby and JR stopped talking or being part of Miss Ellie's life.
Weird and awkward. Bobby's half brother is supposed to raise Bobby's biological son he had with Jenna, and later take Jenna and move to Switzerland for fuck's sake. The real Bobby would never in a million years agree to such an arrangement.
@@robertscott8344 I'm not talkin about that time I'm talkin way before when she ran off with that Italian guy that's when she should have married Bobby
Bobby was never involved in Lucas' life and it seemed as if he was raised to believe Ray was his father. So the kid grew up believing a lie and probably that was how it was on the TNT series since he was never mentioned.
The flashback involving Bobby and Jenna should have featured Morgan Fairchild, who was the original "Jenna Wade" -- Priscilla Presley was actually the third actress to have that role.
No it's the right flashback long as PP got to be the most memorable Jenna coming back on the show for a regular to reignite with Bobby while the previous actresses were simply playing guest roles early on.
Est ce que quelqu'un que peut me traduire en français cet extrait entre ray et bobby merci j espère avoir des,réponses merci à ceux qui me traduiront cet extrait merci
Bonjour voici une traduction du dialogue entre les deux hommes. Il y a des jeux de mots ou des expressions qui ne sont pas les même en français donc je traduis surtout le sens et pas au mot à mot. - Ray: Eh Bobby, heureux que tu aies pu venir, tu veux une bière ? - Bobby: Non merci. Alors qu'est-ce que tu as en tête ? - Ray: eh bien au-delà du fait que tu es mon frère, tu es aussi mon meilleur ami donc tu sais que tu peux tout me dire ? Je sais que tu as dit que tu étais content pour nous devant toute la famille l'autre jour mais j'aimerais savoir comment tu te sens vraiment. Est-ce que le fait que j'épouse Jenna te pose problème ? - Bobby: Ray laisse moi te dire une chose: quand Jenna et moi étions enfants et que nous projetions de nous marier, j'étais vraiment très heureux et amoureux d'elle. Tu sais que le premier amour est toujours quelque chose de spécial mais depuis que j'ai rencontré Pam, il n'y a eu qu'un seul amour dans ma vie et c'est Pam. J'aime bien Jenna et je suis concerné par son bonheur donc je suis vraiment heureux qu'elle épouse le meilleur homme que je connaisse. Rien de mieux (que ce mariage c'est sous-entendu) ne pouvait arriver entre deux personnes aussi gentilles. - Ray: Merci Bob, j'avais besoin de te l'entendre dire face à face. - Bobby: Eh bien tu as obtenu ce que tu voulais. En ce qui concerne Lucas, eh bien, il y a beaucoup de pères et fils qui ne vivent pas ensemble mais je sais que je n'aurais pas de problèmes pour le voir quand je veux ou pour passer du temps avec lui. Tu as donc ma bénédiction totale. _ serrement de main entre les deux hommes et accolade sous le regard de Jenna_ - Ray: quelle ironie: je vais marier Jenna ton ancienne (flashback Jenna et Bobby au bar quand elle est serveuse) flamme, ton ex, ton premier amour (c'est sous-entendu) et Pam était la mienne (flashback Pam et Ray). Au-delà du départ des acteurs ainsi que des coupes budgétaires de la série, les scénaristes avaient vraiment envie de montrer l'ironie du sort ou le retour du karma pour Bobby. On ne le voit pas vraiment au début de la série car il me semble que le premier épisode débute juste après le mariage de Bobby et Pam quand ils sont dans la voiture et vont au ranche, néanmoins, il faut savoir que Ray était le petit ami de Pam avant qu'elle ne le quitte pour Bobby. En fait, Ray avait emmené Pam au barbecue annuel des Ewing puis Bobby avait eu le coup de foudre pour elle. Je ne sais pas si elle a quitté Ray tout de suite ou non mais toujours est-il qu'elle l'a laissé pour Bobby et elle ne lui avait probablement pas dit la vérité au sujet du motif de leur rupture car la famille Ewing, voire, Ray sont surpris de la voir débarquer en tant que Mrs Ewing. D'ailleurs, Jr a tenté de semer la zizanie entre Pamela et Bobby en persuadant Ray de séduire Pam (dans l'extrait, il la jette dans l'eau pour qu'elle le suive dans sa cabane et ôte ses vêtements trempés mais Ray ne va pas jusqu'au bout car il comprend que Pam aime vraiment Bobby donc il dit la vérité au sujet du fait qu'ils sont tombés dans l'eau et non en train de faire autre chose quand Jr entraine Bobby à la cabane dans l'espoir de les surprendre en pleine liaison.) Je suppose qu'on voit ici Ray plus honnête car il parle franchement à Bobby. Bon ensuite, je n'aurais pas choisi Bobby comme témoin en de telles circonstances mais c'est le choix des scénaristes et un retour de bâton pour Bobby qui voit son ex se marier avec Ray...
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I love how Bobby whispers his lines. I love Dallas
Bobby was always my favorite. He’s So Handsome!
Bcause Duffy not a strongactor
Bobby is a class act
Damn Bobby sure could fill out those jeans.
Dammit Bobby
When Pam went to Paris, Jenna was Francine Tacker. I think Priscilla Presley was the best Jenna.
I thought Morgan Fairchild was the best Jenna. Francine Tacker was a good actress, but too plain looking. Priscilla Presley had the looks, but wasn't a very versatile actress. Where as Morgan Fairchild had both looks and acting chops.
I liked the Priscilla Jenna Wade but would like her Morgan Fairchild acting blended in at times.
Priscilla the best jenna wade
Why would Ray do this? There's not ANYONE else he could ask, like Clayton or one of the ranch hands or anybody else on the planet?
Simple Bobby was his brother. He hated JR and hardly knew Gary
James Kennedy or go to Vegas for a quickie.
Ray Clayton were best mates
@@willisapril Bobby never hated J.R. despite not always getting along as brothers to loved each other when it came down to it for the sake of family.
@@J_Ru31352 I didn't say Bobby hated JR. I said Ray hated JR and he barely knew Gary
Sometimes I really have a crappy day so I need some thing to cheer me up this helps a little
We all have crappy days, remember that. You are not alone.
Me too
I can understand why Bobby was everyone's favorite...
This was a cop-out to what could have been a very interesting storyline at a time when the show desperately needed one: Bobby vs. Ray. What if Jenna had stayed angry at Bobby and refused to let him see the baby? What would Ray do if Bobby insisted and/or sued for custody or visitation rights? How might JR have tried to use the situation to his advantage? Instead, the writers took the easy, less-dramatic route and had everybody kiss and make up. Too bad.
It kinda seems like Bobby is trying to makeup for taking Pam from Ray by letting him be with Jenna
Lord have mercy, that is AWFULLY strange that Bobby, and Ray would have been with each other's first loves. Ray with Pam, Bobby with Jenna. Then Bobby was with Pam too. How incredibly awkward that must be, and now you are going to marry the guy's first love? How crazy is that. But Ray was a big time player back in the day. He hooked up with Pam, Jenna, Lucy, Donna, and Sue Ellen. That's pretty much all the Ewing women.
I don't think Pam was Ray's first love. Ray was already 30+ when he was with Pam and it wasn't that serious. It's just that Ray was with Pam before Bobby.
Ray didn't know he was related to Lucy when they were messing around
Jenna seems like she was hoping Bobby would have a problem with her marrying Ray
Jenna was only settling with Ray because she couldn't have Bobby because he wanted Pam. Deep down she was holding on to one last sliver of hope that her engagement to Ray would make him realize that she was the one he really wanted. That didn't happen and it was the point she painfully knew that her childhood dreams of marrying Bobby were truly over.
cisio64123 Yep, and there was a scene where Bobby and Jenna are in the nursery, she says she’s still in love with him,
She never loved Ray
@@williamjones9639 and bobby never liked jenna
I'm with you there. I believed that the marriage was more for convenience since she really had no financial stability. Ray had the bucks and could support Jenna.
Katherine is the best looking woman on Dallas, amazing eyes 😍🔥
I think that deep down, Bobby wanted them both, Pamela and Jenna.
Yeh at the same time lol
Bobby Ewing Hefner. 😂
Ray hooked up with Pam, Jenna, Lucy, Donna and even Sue Ellen
As far as I know, the only woman he didn't sleep with was Miss Ellie.
Ray probably slept with mrs Ellie.. ole dirty dog.. 😂😂
Scott Erwin oh my,i didn't know about sue ellen.
And Teresa the maid
Didn't Jock almost hook up with Jenna?
By the fall of 1987 the storylines and scripts became really terrible. By 1989 - 1990 season came along Bobby and JR stopped talking or being part of Miss Ellie's life.
Weird and awkward. Bobby's half brother is supposed to raise Bobby's biological son he had with Jenna, and later take Jenna and move to Switzerland for fuck's sake. The real Bobby would never in a million years agree to such an arrangement.
Bobby wasn't in a position to make any demands.
@@Vydio He was in a position to say no to being the best man at the wedding
@@trailersfromhell2539 That's about it .... heck I wish Jenna had nixed it. BTW, he did not have a son with Jenna. He abandoned her and Lucas.
Please add the original Dallas soon Thanks
Priscilla Presley was so beautiful then
She's one of the few real natural beauties out there. There's a reason Elvis fell for her when she was only 14.
She should sue her plastic surgeon.
@@deb310redno written contract that's malpractice doing cosmetic surgeries without permission law suit.
Was that a Pillsbury suit or sailor suit she wore? Bizarre. Notice that Ray's front door was metallic. Lol. Probably tin.
pillsbury suit😂😂😂😂
Jenna was such a dumbbell she had Bobbi but let him slip through her fingers
What choice did she have to not let him go his dreams now only existed in Pam.
@@robertscott8344 I'm not talkin about that time I'm talkin way before when she ran off with that Italian guy that's when she should have married Bobby
@@JohnWest-zq5gs is this ralnardo machatti Guy who said he was Charlie's father is that correct?
@@robertscott8344 yes
Lmao she's hurt he didn't fight for her
Charlie probably was picking up on sort vibe or tension with her mother.
Well done ray
Bobby looks clean after Work.
It is part of the fantasy. They are all dressed like a mannequin in a ritzy department store at all times.
Bobby just works in a office that's why lol
Answer this how can get dirty sitting behind a desk?
when a show does flashbacks it's out of ideas.
Though evidently Bobby never has anything to do with Lucas.
Bobby liked never lucas
Damm Jenna Bobby with all that money you should him nailed down at the very beginning
Whatever happened to Lucas ?? I dont think he was even mentioned in the reboot series.
Bobby was never involved in Lucas' life and it seemed as if he was raised to believe Ray was his father. So the kid grew up believing a lie and probably that was how it was on the TNT series since he was never mentioned.
I think Ray adopted Lucas
Seeing PP without her face being ruined with plastic surgery was very good. I was never a fan of Ray at all. He was just a big doofus.
Ray, so happy to hear the news.👎
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The flashback involving Bobby and Jenna should have featured Morgan Fairchild, who was the original "Jenna Wade" -- Priscilla Presley was actually the third actress to have that role.
No it's the right flashback long as PP got to be the most memorable Jenna coming back on the show for a regular to reignite with Bobby while the previous actresses were simply playing guest roles early on.
Est ce que quelqu'un que peut me traduire en français cet extrait entre ray et bobby merci j espère avoir des,réponses merci à ceux qui me traduiront cet extrait merci
Bonjour voici une traduction du dialogue entre les deux hommes. Il y a des jeux de mots ou des expressions qui ne sont pas les même en français donc je traduis surtout le sens et pas au mot à mot.
- Ray: Eh Bobby, heureux que tu aies pu venir, tu veux une bière ?
- Bobby: Non merci. Alors qu'est-ce que tu as en tête ?
- Ray: eh bien au-delà du fait que tu es mon frère, tu es aussi mon meilleur ami donc tu sais que tu peux tout me dire ? Je sais que tu as dit que tu étais content pour nous devant toute la famille l'autre jour mais j'aimerais savoir comment tu te sens vraiment. Est-ce que le fait que j'épouse Jenna te pose problème ?
- Bobby: Ray laisse moi te dire une chose: quand Jenna et moi étions enfants et que nous projetions de nous marier, j'étais vraiment très heureux et amoureux d'elle. Tu sais que le premier amour est toujours quelque chose de spécial mais depuis que j'ai rencontré Pam, il n'y a eu qu'un seul amour dans ma vie et c'est Pam. J'aime bien Jenna et je suis concerné par son bonheur donc je suis vraiment heureux qu'elle épouse le meilleur homme que je connaisse. Rien de mieux (que ce mariage c'est sous-entendu) ne pouvait arriver entre deux personnes aussi gentilles.
- Ray: Merci Bob, j'avais besoin de te l'entendre dire face à face.
- Bobby: Eh bien tu as obtenu ce que tu voulais. En ce qui concerne Lucas, eh bien, il y a beaucoup de pères et fils qui ne vivent pas ensemble mais je sais que je n'aurais pas de problèmes pour le voir quand je veux ou pour passer du temps avec lui. Tu as donc ma bénédiction totale.
_ serrement de main entre les deux hommes et accolade sous le regard de Jenna_
- Ray: quelle ironie: je vais marier Jenna ton ancienne (flashback Jenna et Bobby au bar quand elle est serveuse) flamme, ton ex, ton premier amour (c'est sous-entendu) et Pam était la mienne (flashback Pam et Ray).
Au-delà du départ des acteurs ainsi que des coupes budgétaires de la série, les scénaristes avaient vraiment envie de montrer l'ironie du sort ou le retour du karma pour Bobby. On ne le voit pas vraiment au début de la série car il me semble que le premier épisode débute juste après le mariage de Bobby et Pam quand ils sont dans la voiture et vont au ranche, néanmoins, il faut savoir que Ray était le petit ami de Pam avant qu'elle ne le quitte pour Bobby. En fait, Ray avait emmené Pam au barbecue annuel des Ewing puis Bobby avait eu le coup de foudre pour elle. Je ne sais pas si elle a quitté Ray tout de suite ou non mais toujours est-il qu'elle l'a laissé pour Bobby et elle ne lui avait probablement pas dit la vérité au sujet du motif de leur rupture car la famille Ewing, voire, Ray sont surpris de la voir débarquer en tant que Mrs Ewing. D'ailleurs, Jr a tenté de semer la zizanie entre Pamela et Bobby en persuadant Ray de séduire Pam (dans l'extrait, il la jette dans l'eau pour qu'elle le suive dans sa cabane et ôte ses vêtements trempés mais Ray ne va pas jusqu'au bout car il comprend que Pam aime vraiment Bobby donc il dit la vérité au sujet du fait qu'ils sont tombés dans l'eau et non en train de faire autre chose quand Jr entraine Bobby à la cabane dans l'espoir de les surprendre en pleine liaison.)
Je suppose qu'on voit ici Ray plus honnête car il parle franchement à Bobby. Bon ensuite, je n'aurais pas choisi Bobby comme témoin en de telles circonstances mais c'est le choix des scénaristes et un retour de bâton pour Bobby qui voit son ex se marier avec Ray...
@@marinagreco4026 merci de m avoir traduit cet extrait je vous remercie beaucoup mille merci
When did Pam and Ray hook up?
The invsable strain on Ray and Bobby's friendship. Ray roll on Dallas change . it did not fit with
Viewers. Or Ray Krebs.
Never liked Jenna and Charlie. Seemed like Jenna needed a Ewing husband and father for her daughter instead of moving on.
Sue Ellen told her a story close up about the Ewing men was that season 7 ?
Ray been in sack with all women apart from miss ellie april michelle
French please
No
I really wish Bobby and Jenna had ended up together.
The storyline was absolutely ridiculous Bobby with Jennifer's and then Ray ends up marrying Eric absolutely ridiculous although I love Dallas