oh, yeah. I should have included that dialogue as well. It jumps to the same negative reaction that he has to dialogue option 4 "it should have been my choice" etc. there is just 1 extra line before that. If we fail the persuasion (you would have become just like cazador) he responds "Perhaps. perhaps not." and if we fail the deception, he responds "Even now you are lying. Pathetic."
It's terrifying watching him being angry lol. I wish we could tell him "I've seen how you are as an ascendant in another playthrough, trust me on this, it doesn't suit you" lol
LOL yeah x"DD although based on the things he says, he realises it would have been terrible and he knows he was blinded by the feeling of power in that room just like cazador, so he thanks it like 5 times that we didn't let him do it. xD he also didn't want to transform into something else/a monster again.
@@MGamingVideos I kinda hate how fast he's transformed into a caricature villain. I understand that power will eventually corrupt him, it makes sense, but immediately? Dude just ascended 5 mins ago, he can't even summon followers and he has already practiced and perfected his evil laugh!
@@LivinAlie92 the way I interpreted it is he changes immediately because it's a magical ritual that transform him into a different being essentially. but maybe gradual progression would have been more interesting
"It should have been my choice, and you should have trusted me to make it." I can't even get upset Astarion broke up with TAV because this is 100% justified in an authentic relationship. The writing is too good.
The thing is, while I agree that it's his choice and should be his choice--if we don't interfere (aka stop the ritual or use our rolls to persuade him which I argue ISN'T letting him make the choice) then he chooses to ascend. That's the sad part, his free decision is to replace his abuser if you don't try and steer him towards what YOU want. HE wants the power. There isn't a dialog option (that I've seen) where he talks himself out of it. If he doesn't ascend it's always Tav's decision and not Astarion's.
i have a different look at it. regardless if i use him on a playthrough or not, I take him to Cazador. Everyone who has been abused ( in any category ) should have a chance to do that to their abuser. I always kill Cazador, but that release of anger and emotion when he gets his revenge is just a chef's kiss
I wish he was a little like shadowheart that can for herself, turn away from Shar if your desitions inspired her before, Astarion always needs to be convinced not to do things that are bad for him and others, it is in charactee but it makes me feel like a manipulator anytime
@@Rye_Toast I know you commented quite some time ago, but i've seen Astarion going for the kill right away instead of even starting the ritual, Idk if it's correct, but it might have to do with what kind choices tav has made, if they're a good person or not. I'm not 100% sure of course
Im no where near act 3 yet, but i have to know. Astarion killing Cazador is what triggers his accession? Like Caz die by Astarions hands then immediately cuts to him being accended? Or is there a pause? After astarion Kills Caz, but i get to Persuade him before he accended? Or do really have to go through this (the video) killing caz myself to avoid astarions accession completely? Do i leave him in camp? And is accesion astarion the true bad ending? Like theres no route that he could be accended and not be the new "cazador", or not be a more of a prick than usual?
Not that he doesn't have reason, but it's kinda funny to me how many options can lead to Astarion dumping our character. I don't remember playing any other game where you had this many chances to fuck an already estabilshed relationship, I love this lmao
I can kinda understand though. I mean, you can touch on really sensitive subjects and say things you know will hurt them, you can betray their trust and deliver them to people who will kill them, you can do things they’ve specifically told you they don’t want to do or deny them of things they want to do, you can make them love you and need you then take all that away from them by breaking up with them and practically telling they mean nothing to you. There’s so many mean and rude things you can do, it’s obvious they’d dump you. I don’t mind it. It feels more realistic and makes you more careful of what you say because there’s consequences. Thats an interesting thing in a game.
His trauma is multi-faceted in ways some of the other characters aren’t (physical, emotional, and sexual), so there’s a lot of triggers for him around agency and control. The others draw their lines and boundaries more firmly and honestly earlier on, so crossing them requires you purposefully treading over them.
Tbf most of the options that lead to him dumping us definitely feel more aggressive and asshole-ish. Like, you know if you say that, he's not gonna be happy, he's probably going to be really mad. It's not like you're picking options randomly.
Can I just say his response when you wanted to talk about something else was great. In so many games the character will just go along and it is honestly refreshing to see one that would actually have a real life response to that.
I could never rob my man of his vengeance, especially since stopping the ritual gives cazador a more gruesome death, and Astarion gets a happy ending 😂 nice to see the other dialogue options tho!
same, I would never do this for real. but it surprised me how good all the dialogue was afterwards. I wasn't sure the game would even acknowledge it that he wasn't present.
Same here, plus Astarion's personal quest felt so intertwined with Tav's presence in his life that it feels wrong to leave him out of the ending! I know the tadpole business matters more, but they'd worked up to that moment of killing Cazador for so long that I almost expected the end credits to run after they achieved their goal together 😭 Seeing Cazador getting killed was also really satisfying LOL I might've cheered on Astarion a little too hard while he 'finished the job' haha
Yeah that scene is just so damn cathartic and beautiful. On my first playthrough I reloaded several times just to rewatch him bloody eviscerating the bastard. That sob after ward... you can really feel his pain and relief. Hands down my favourite scene in the game.
thank you for showing all the options!!! in my first playthrough I didn't take him with me because I was worried but then I read he can walk in the sun as Ascendant so I reloaded immediately without having any conversation and went to finish the ritual..and I was not pleased at all with how he started acting 🙈
Yea if he becomes the ascendant, he is essentially Cazador. Lets all the power come to his head. It's really insane to see the differences in the final dialogue between Ascendant Astarion and Spawn Astarion It's pretty much the whole, absolute power corrupts absolutely type thing.
I let him ascend initially because I thought the same- seems like a great option! Astarions a decent guy now- he deserves to walk in the sun and have more powers to always feel safe. The *immediate* personality change though was like NOPE RELOAD
as somebody pointed out he is less maniacal when you talk to him later on in the camp and it seems he does still love you but everything he says sounds a bit more sinister, idk how to explain it 😅 I do kinda like though that when you ask him “what are we to you” he says lovers eternal… damn it Larian and damn it Neil for making him so lovable both ways 😭
@@asmalltalkHe doesn’t love you in his ascended form, not really. I think he may be possessive and obsessed but he doesn’t love you. If you choose to break up with him after he ascends he will come back a few nights later and admit he would have used you until there was nothing left. Ascended Astarion sees you as a possession not a person.
@@JangoMango007 yes I guess this is the main thing those who pick ascension tend to ignore saying oh he’s just talking sh*t because he’s recently transformed into a different being. while I do agree some feelings are still there and even offers to later make a full vampire out of you by giving you a drop of his blood it’s just hard to believe it’s gonna be a good relationship down the line . ESPECIALLY when if you refuse his offer to turn you he admits it is for the best…
Honestly that's good DMing. Sometimes a successful persuasion check isn't making them believe you, It's getting the best possible outcome. A bard might not seduce a dragon on a natural 20, but maybe the dragon thinks the bard is cute and won't immediately roast it.
Him saying "that kind of power ruin a person" is just more proof that ascendant astarion is the bad ending. Can't believe some ppl are really trying to justify it 💀
Even in his non romance ending it's bad, he says in his romance ending basically "we gotta go kill our allies lest they turn on us" so in his non romance ending he's probably just gonna try kill us since we are one of his allies.
I would argue it's the happiest ending for romancing him - you can become a true vampire by consuming his blood, he becomes an incredibly powerful vampire, thus you two can live forever. Not to mention, he can walk in sunlight. To each their own though, I believe morality is subjective, that there is no true right and wrong. This is of course my own opinion, it's simply not up for debate.
Yo just imagine for a sec….being hungry…forever!! Bloody awful life. This poor guy. And he still manages to have a laugh. What a bloody trooper. Such a survivor.
apparently not. he is still grateful as long as I don't imply I didn't trust him. romance and everything continues as usual. the dialogue is just a bit different because he didn't get that catharsis
@@Heroann Agreed. Larian clearly didn't want to deprive players of a companion for the Endgame battle over this, but... honestly, they should have, considering Astarion can also permanently leave if you piss him off enough due to other things! From a roleplaying standpoint I don't get players who deliberately or out of thoughtlessness don't take Astarion along to the finale _of his own storyline,_ depriving him of the much-needed need for emotional closure and the chance to make his _own_ choice to ascend or not, esp after his entire storyline was about Astarion finding autonomy! I know in this video it was done for demonstration purposes. But I've seen postings of people on forums who just went and killed Cazador without Astarion, never let Astarion talk to the other spawns etc. Heck my own husband didn't want to take Astarion along into Cazador's palace in his playthrough and didn't understand why I was angry, he thought it wasnt a big deal and he was too lazy to switch out of his companion combo he had established.
@@TF2CrunchyFrogwhat things make him leave? I want to be good , will he leave if I do too many good things ? Or will he tolerate it just as long as you’re nice to him and let him have blood?
@@Lunakitty1234 you can do a good alignment run with him, as long as you treat him well and let him be his person he'll mellow out by act 2 and won't oppose as often. There are certain choices that will make any companion leave, but as long as you're not choosing options that are intentionally hurtful it'll be fine (and those are fairly obvious, like kicking him the balls if he ascends).
yes. obviously not my first choice to do this without him, but I was curious what would happen. the next conversation after this is also a bit different so I will upload that today.
I wouldn't be doing my job as a bard if I denied the hero his cathartic and epic opportunity for revenge. Thank you for showing this scenario, I surely won't be doing it in my playthrough ❤
Pressing F to doubt him accepting the 'hero' label, but I kinda like the idea of your Tav teasingly referring to him like that after the feast scene in Act 1 and then just...never stopping.
Fr even if you convince him that it was for the best it feels gaslighty and manipulative. You're robing him of his autonomy to make his own decisions, which is exactly what Cazador did to him
Oh, this is gut-wrenching, the way Astarion describes being doomed forever to being a "wretched spawn" tormented day and night by endless painful hunger and fear... and soon he won't even be able to walk in the sun anymore, or swim in a river, or even just enter a house, once the tadpole is gone. If he at least had the choice to make his own decision, he can tell himself he's made his peace with it. But... I feel sad how neither of Astarion's ending - Ascension at the cost of tainting his soul with a monsterous sin vs staying a spawn forever and sacrificing his one chance at being reborn - are truly "good" or happy endings for him. It feels he is doomed either way, because the story offers him no escape. Especially if the player never romanced him or breaks his heart and dumps him, or (in an Origin run) never existed. And there are still people who dare call Astarion selfish?
I hope there's an eventual dlc where you cure his vampirism. There's a spell in the DnD world called true resurrection that cures vampirism. There's an option at the end of the game where you can tell him you want to try to find a way to cure him. I hope they were alluding to that 😩
@@wh0rrendousI mean, technically Gale's whole revive me thing you can do, the scroll you get from the mephit is a scroll of true resurrection, but they don't let you use it on Astarion, but yeah, would be nice to have some kind of hope about it or to bring that up again.
@@elishajones1286 yes, I used a different scroll on gale and I kept that true resurrection scroll in my inventory during the whole game. lol but I kinda expected they won't let us do this. oh well
The acting and animation at 5:55. It's so realistic. That's exactly how someone would act in that situation I think too haha. That's really great animation. And amazing acting too.
In my first run: trying to be as good as possible, the thought of ascending never even popped up. He just straight up kills Cazador and thinks on what to do with the 7000. But maybe it's also cause I accidentally killed one of the spawns in the ritual?
Yes. That is correct. If one of them is killed during the fight, the ritual cannot be completed. That is the only time when he doesn't ask the main character to help with the ritual. I have seen other people who were confused about this and they thought it was because they played a good character or because of high approval. But the only thing that triggers that scene is one of the spawn dying.
@@cen3684 well technically he cannot ascend unless our character supports that (he cannot see his own scars) but he always asks, he is always tempted. you can see what happens if he is alone here: th-cam.com/video/nhlkUYx7uqw/w-d-xo.html&t=
I wish we had an option for him to drink a little of Cazador's blood. Enough to make him a true vampire without the whole ritual crap. Maybe he would have been happy-ish?
I think it's not just the ritual that makes Ascendent Astarion a total asshole. Lore-wise, being a full vampire on its own changes a person and warps their personality. I feel like not having had the chance to complete the ritual would have made Astarion even more powerhungry and angry if he were a fullblooded vamp :(
first of all, from what was established earlier it needs to be consensual and cazador would never let him do that. secondly, true vampires are still automatically evil in dnd so it will probably change him as much as the ritual would. finally, he would still have to live in the shadows even as a true vampire. so, no. its not worth it edit: as someone else pointed out considering cazador’s own master astarion would be able to drink his blood as well without consent. my other points still stand tho
Definitely gonna do that lol. I dont really care for Astarion, so I dont really trust him not to complete the ritual. Even as he changes for the better throughout the story, he's still a bit powerhungry, and Im not a fan. I suppose it also helps that I'm more attracted to Wyll and Gale, so I'm not really blinded by attraction or pity.
Wow, I'm pretty surprised by his reaction here. Given the chatartic fight he's having when you take him along, this fairly chill "oh well he's dead, I guess it's over now" reaction when left out is pretty unexpected. I like that they didn't just write the complete opposite though (like getting upset and leaving the party), this makes the player's choices a lot more colourful.
This is how I discovered that not bringing companions to their respective quests effects the results and what they say lol. Until this point I hadn't swapped out my companions ONCE.
“You should’ve trusted me to make it” - man who absolutely chooses to ascend, kill all those people, and turns into (more of) a jackass if you let him to his own decision.
there's a vid on here that shows exactly what happens if you move the entire party away before pulling cazador from the coffin & let him choose for himself spoiler: he doesn't do the ritual when left to make the choice on his own & he sends the 7k spawn to the underdark with his siblings to look after them there's also a vid of what happens if he talks to his sibs alone: he doesn't fry petras, & he chooses to tell them cazador plans to kill them similarly, if left to talk to the gur tribe alone, he offers to help him find their children on his own too
It's funny, it never even crossed my mind to kill Cazador without Astarion unless Astarion got staked in Act I or something and just wasn't there. I've always had him with me, and he's always been allowed the chance to enact his own vengeance... I never considered that I might leave him behind, off Cazador myself, and then report back to him. Though, seeing these reactions, I'm rather glad I didn't; I can't play a character that makes my skin crawl, and doing that to him just feels gross.
I've been wondering since it happened, why isn't there an option to convince Astarion to bite Cazador after talking him down from the ritual and at least become a true vampire rather than a spawn.
I was wondering that myself, that even if he didn't ascend he could still get a small form of ascension by become a true vampire, but I saw in another comment on a vid showing his ascended voicelines if you try to break up with him that true vampires in d&d 5e (this is my first d&d experience so I was unaware) don't really retain their humanity and while he wouldn't be as twisted by the dark ritual he probably would still be quite dark and obsessed with power. And his love for you if romancing him would probably still become twisted and not very healthy. Especially with the whole not wanting competition thing, which tends to be why vampires apparently don't usually complete their spawn's transformations. So even if he offered to turn you, it would probably be to trap you so you can't leave him. Though I do wish it was an option still, just for the extra story! And I'd consider him freeing himself of his spawn status to be better than going through with the ritual lol. Though I do wish it would be possible for him to give that last fuck you to Cazador and bite him while still retaining himself afterwards. But if it goes against d&d 5e rules I don't think they'd add that. Maybe in a future update we could have him bite Cazador anyway, even if it changes him xD I kind of thought it would be an option when he explains how true vampires are made at the beginning but oh well
Astarion mentions in one of his conversations that the true Vampire has to be willing to turn their spawn into a real Vampire for that to work. He also explains that this very rarely happens as Vampires don't like having their territory threatened or something, and if they were to turn their spawn into a true Vampire, they would have another rival on their hands. So because it requires the Vampire to be willing, it wouldn't work to just have Astarion bite Cazador without Cazador's consent to turn him. And we all know Cazador would never have been willing to turn Astarion in a true Vampire.
Whoa I never saw this option. I'm surprised at how amazing the acting is for Astarion. This game is awesome because literally no one has exactly the same choices. We all made different choices and that's super cool.
I straight up could not beat cazador before he killed astarion so i just left him at camp, beat up cazador, then went and brought astarion back while cazador was in his coffin so he could stab him at least and the game carried on as if he was there the whole time lmao
you don't have to beat him that quickly. you can just use ''help'' on Astarion and he is freed and he joins the fight, cazador can't complete the ritual after that.
This is the best outcome for him. He either accends and becomes evil, or gets pissed at you for not letting him accend. I unfortunately failed the speech checks.
Yea especially when cazador kidnaps him during the fight. Its really tough with only 3 party memebers. Just sneak attack cazador though, best choice for an early advantage and in character for astarion.
though i'm kind of appalled that anyone would deny him the chance to get his own closure after 200 yrs of abuse, especially if they were romancing him, it is nice to see it documented that he doesn't just throw a fit & leave forever like shadowheart does if you don't take her with you to kill nightsong for her ridiculous goddess
It's weird that the prospect of Astarion becoming a true vampire never came up since he could have bitten Cazador before killing him. Sure, maybe he would still become a prick like when he's ascended, but at least he wouldn't have to sacrifice over 7000 souls for it.
As of patch 9, there is still a "wrong" cutscene, where Astarendant muses about being stuck to live in darkness and not able to walk in the sun. In contradiction to what is said several times that Ascendancy would gain you. 😖
this is so sad omg... also almost feel like he would've rather you bring a souvenir or something lmao because like, what, he's going to take your word for it? cazador was tormenting him all this time without doing anything just from the traumatic memories. Still, I think that this is more realistic. People who relate to him (me included) probably enjoy the idea of Astarion getting revenge, but most people don't get that. most people wake up and find out their abusive relative is dead. and its weird. i hope astarion could still be happy eventually u.u
So this is the situation...Astarion is my friend and I've been trying to convince him to not go ahead with the ritual...the thing is, I took him to fight cazador and once we defeat him he asks me for help with the ritual, i give him help thinking that he will do the right thing...he doesn't. I end up killing cazador to stop him, Astarion fights me and he dies. Load up save, i tell him i won't help him, he kills cazador and leaves all the spawn to their fate, he tells me to kms and then he leaves...🥲 NOW, this is what I'm gonna do, I'll just leave him at camp 😭 sorry champ we can't always get everything we want... (I like him and i wanted him to kill cazador but i prefer he is temporarily mad at me than have him dead or wishing me death)
what i did was i fought cazador without asterion in the party, then went to the lower city sewers to get to camp, bring asterion, and i got the same cutscene from as though we fought him with asterion there :D
Someone please tell me what happens if we make the party half Illithid. Will spawn Astarion be able to walk in sun? I tried so many things to solve this xD I even kept the noblestalk that was meant for Shadowheart. T T
I don't think it matters by endgame. (Spoiler below) So I've only finished the game once and got the good ending, basically all the parasites die inside your head and so all of their powers disappear. Vampire spawn Astarion starts burning in the sun and runs away in fear. I didn't use any illithid powers in the playthrough but I assume that as long as the parasites die, Astarion can't walk in the sun as a spawn, so I don't think it matters.
@@SarahSnow99If the player romanced Astarion, you get a scene with Spawn-Astarion _after_ the Endgame scene at the docks, so at least we know he manage to find shelter from the sun in time and survived. But yeah, being half-Illithid won't save him. Persuading him to turn himself into a full Illithid might, as it also saved Karlach... but since in both D&D Lore and in BG3 it's explicitely stated (by Withers no less!) that full Illithids _no longer have a soul(!)_ that's a horrible options IMO, plus the fact Astarion was violently _against_ even taking the Astral Tadpole to become half-Illithid as he said he couldn't bear having his body transformed against his will again, the first time when he became a vampire and felt himself die and his organs change traumatized him enough.
the romance scene is not changed at all. the conversation in the evening (right before the romance scene in the graveyard ) is different however. So I uploaded that if you are curious: th-cam.com/video/s9oQvZb8994/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=M
I don't know! It annoys me SO MUCH ! I think it's the bless effect which is active on my character. Every morning when she wakes up, it's active already, but I don't know what activates it. I don't understand why they made this visible during cutscenes. We should send feedback to larian telling them to remove this effect during cutscenes.
If its bless you get it from the statue you build by the demon in the circus And there's a mod that removes it Though i thought it was the hell smell mizora said after sleeping with her
I think that one option "I did it for you" and he responds "I believe you" where I don't have pass a persuasion check (first option I picked) is romance specific. The rest of the dialogue, as far as I know, is the same.
Honestly wish he was like Karlach who breaks the 4th wall and you can tell him you’ve played different routes and it all ended up with when he’s ascended he’s just no longer him and a worse version of him. Just another Cazedor but named Astarion.
Astarion's armour is the Elven Chain. you can buy it in the Rivington general store. Tav is wearing the Potent Robe which you receive as a quest reward in act 2 for saving the tieflings in moonrise towers. (But Lorroakan's robe looks the same, so you can get another one of this robe in act 3 when you kill him)
What if we killed him by accident and tells astarion. Like well astarion you know cazador right? .... Yeah he... Um... Died. I didn't know it was him I swear he... it was an accident. And thenhow do you guys think he would react?
This seems like a romanced Astarion though, I wonder what happens if he's not romanced, or just has a ok opinion of you, he turned on me when I didnt let him complete the ritual last time so now I ponder if this time I dont bring him at all
that only happens if you have kinda low approval, it's not related to romance. to be honest I think that's fair. I usually have good or more likely very good approval with every companion by the time we reach act 2. If the player doesn't have good approval with a companion in act 3, then that companion was neglected or the main character was a bit of a dick to them. lol other companions also f off if the approval is low/neutral when you do their personal quests or if you don't bring them to their own quest. romance specific dialogue in this scene seems to be the one I first picked in the video ("I did it for you") where I don't have to pass a persuasion check. I think the rest of it is probably available for everyone.
The reaction at the start of the video. I always kill Astarian at least by 5e night-time bite scene but his voice actor does such a damn good job I might have to try a playthroug with him. That and I found all the companions can end up cool.
On some level, I think this is the best ending for his personal quest. If he completes the ritual, he does become Cazador 2.0. If he doesn't, he seems like he'd spend the rest of his existence realizing he had all that power at his fingertips and always wonder about what could have been... especially when huddled behind crates, victim once more of the sun at the end of the game. That would have to torture him somewhat even if he made tentative peace with the idea of refusing it. The whole "resolve it for him" option, leaving the details to obscurity, genuinely seems to be in his best interest.
eh. I am not sure about that. I personally very much prefer the version where he is present and he can kill cazador himself. If you watch the other vid that I linked in the description under this video, you can see how he feels about this later. wondering what could have been is always something he can do. in fact if he wasn't present then he doesn't even know what choice he would have made so he can wonder about that as well.
Not at all. It's super easy to increase his approval. He likes you immediately if you let him have some blood and you protect him a couple of times. And you normally wouldn't do a companion's final quest without them. But as you can see at the very start of the vid, if you are in a romance with him, even this isn't a problem. He will believe it immediately if you say "I did it for you. I wanted you to be safe" this isn't even a persuasion option and he has the best reaction to it.
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What happens if you fail your rolls?
oh, yeah. I should have included that dialogue as well. It jumps to the same negative reaction that he has to dialogue option 4 "it should have been my choice" etc. there is just 1 extra line before that. If we fail the persuasion (you would have become just like cazador) he responds "Perhaps. perhaps not." and if we fail the deception, he responds "Even now you are lying. Pathetic."
Thanks
It's terrifying watching him being angry lol. I wish we could tell him "I've seen how you are as an ascendant in another playthrough, trust me on this, it doesn't suit you" lol
LOL yeah x"DD although based on the things he says, he realises it would have been terrible and he knows he was blinded by the feeling of power in that room just like cazador, so he thanks it like 5 times that we didn't let him do it. xD he also didn't want to transform into something else/a monster again.
@@MGamingVideos I kinda hate how fast he's transformed into a caricature villain. I understand that power will eventually corrupt him, it makes sense, but immediately? Dude just ascended 5 mins ago, he can't even summon followers and he has already practiced and perfected his evil laugh!
@@LivinAlie92 the way I interpreted it is he changes immediately because it's a magical ritual that transform him into a different being essentially. but maybe gradual progression would have been more interesting
That's just how D&D vampires work. Becoming one warps your entire personality/alignment
@@LivinAlie92the way I see it, and Berserk primed me for it, is when you make such an extreme choice, you just kinda have to double down on it
"Did you do it to keep me from completing the ritual" asks the man who has constantly been talking about usurping said ritual.
and at 10:05 he is very self-aware about this. xD
His brain is smoother than most. He can’t help himself.
I wanted to take him out of it because HE KEPT DYING!, But well, I played on easy mode, it was frustrating
"It should have been my choice, and you should have trusted me to make it." I can't even get upset Astarion broke up with TAV because this is 100% justified in an authentic relationship. The writing is too good.
The thing is, while I agree that it's his choice and should be his choice--if we don't interfere (aka stop the ritual or use our rolls to persuade him which I argue ISN'T letting him make the choice) then he chooses to ascend. That's the sad part, his free decision is to replace his abuser if you don't try and steer him towards what YOU want. HE wants the power. There isn't a dialog option (that I've seen) where he talks himself out of it. If he doesn't ascend it's always Tav's decision and not Astarion's.
i have a different look at it.
regardless if i use him on a playthrough or not, I take him to Cazador.
Everyone who has been abused ( in any category ) should have a chance to do that to their abuser.
I always kill Cazador, but that release of anger and emotion when he gets his revenge is just a chef's kiss
I wish he was a little like shadowheart that can for herself, turn away from Shar if your desitions inspired her before, Astarion always needs to be convinced not to do things that are bad for him and others, it is in charactee but it makes me feel like a manipulator anytime
@@Rye_Toast I know you commented quite some time ago, but i've seen Astarion going for the kill right away instead of even starting the ritual, Idk if it's correct, but it might have to do with what kind choices tav has made, if they're a good person or not. I'm not 100% sure of course
Im no where near act 3 yet, but i have to know. Astarion killing Cazador is what triggers his accession? Like Caz die by Astarions hands then immediately cuts to him being accended? Or is there a pause? After astarion Kills Caz, but i get to Persuade him before he accended?
Or do really have to go through this (the video) killing caz myself to avoid astarions accession completely? Do i leave him in camp?
And is accesion astarion the true bad ending? Like theres no route that he could be accended and not be the new "cazador", or not be a more of a prick than usual?
Not that he doesn't have reason, but it's kinda funny to me how many options can lead to Astarion dumping our character. I don't remember playing any other game where you had this many chances to fuck an already estabilshed relationship, I love this lmao
I can kinda understand though. I mean, you can touch on really sensitive subjects and say things you know will hurt them, you can betray their trust and deliver them to people who will kill them, you can do things they’ve specifically told you they don’t want to do or deny them of things they want to do, you can make them love you and need you then take all that away from them by breaking up with them and practically telling they mean nothing to you. There’s so many mean and rude things you can do, it’s obvious they’d dump you. I don’t mind it. It feels more realistic and makes you more careful of what you say because there’s consequences. Thats an interesting thing in a game.
His trauma is multi-faceted in ways some of the other characters aren’t (physical, emotional, and sexual), so there’s a lot of triggers for him around agency and control. The others draw their lines and boundaries more firmly and honestly earlier on, so crossing them requires you purposefully treading over them.
Tbf most of the options that lead to him dumping us definitely feel more aggressive and asshole-ish. Like, you know if you say that, he's not gonna be happy, he's probably going to be really mad. It's not like you're picking options randomly.
He doesn’t break up with you if Halsin shares you though. And most other people would instantly break up with you if you did that.
Can I just say his response when you wanted to talk about something else was great. In so many games the character will just go along and it is honestly refreshing to see one that would actually have a real life response to that.
I loled when they wanted to talk about something else the. Just walked away haha.
yes, I found his reaction hilarious. :D and then I can just choose "leave"
"What do you WANT?"
*Leave.*
Had me ROLLING
I could never rob my man of his vengeance, especially since stopping the ritual gives cazador a more gruesome death, and Astarion gets a happy ending 😂 nice to see the other dialogue options tho!
same, I would never do this for real. but it surprised me how good all the dialogue was afterwards. I wasn't sure the game would even acknowledge it that he wasn't present.
Same here, plus Astarion's personal quest felt so intertwined with Tav's presence in his life that it feels wrong to leave him out of the ending! I know the tadpole business matters more, but they'd worked up to that moment of killing Cazador for so long that I almost expected the end credits to run after they achieved their goal together 😭
Seeing Cazador getting killed was also really satisfying LOL I might've cheered on Astarion a little too hard while he 'finished the job' haha
I am scared to do this fight. Can you do the fight without Astarion being in the party? I never ran into the monster hunters.
Yeah that scene is just so damn cathartic and beautiful.
On my first playthrough I reloaded several times just to rewatch him bloody eviscerating the bastard.
That sob after ward... you can really feel his pain and relief.
Hands down my favourite scene in the game.
@@th0rne_999I was THIS close on sobbing with him
thank you for showing all the options!!! in my first playthrough I didn't take him with me because I was worried but then I read he can walk in the sun as Ascendant so I reloaded immediately without having any conversation and went to finish the ritual..and I was not pleased at all with how he started acting 🙈
Yea if he becomes the ascendant, he is essentially Cazador. Lets all the power come to his head. It's really insane to see the differences in the final dialogue between Ascendant Astarion and Spawn Astarion
It's pretty much the whole, absolute power corrupts absolutely type thing.
I let him ascend initially because I thought the same- seems like a great option! Astarions a decent guy now- he deserves to walk in the sun and have more powers to always feel safe. The *immediate* personality change though was like NOPE RELOAD
as somebody pointed out he is less maniacal when you talk to him later on in the camp and it seems he does still love you but everything he says sounds a bit more sinister, idk how to explain it 😅 I do kinda like though that when you ask him “what are we to you” he says lovers eternal… damn it Larian and damn it Neil for making him so lovable both ways 😭
@@asmalltalkHe doesn’t love you in his ascended form, not really. I think he may be possessive and obsessed but he doesn’t love you. If you choose to break up with him after he ascends he will come back a few nights later and admit he would have used you until there was nothing left. Ascended Astarion sees you as a possession not a person.
@@JangoMango007 yes I guess this is the main thing those who pick ascension tend to ignore saying oh he’s just talking sh*t because he’s recently transformed into a different being. while I do agree some feelings are still there and even offers to later make a full vampire out of you by giving you a drop of his blood it’s just hard to believe it’s gonna be a good relationship down the line . ESPECIALLY when if you refuse his offer to turn you he admits it is for the best…
Scratch in the background just living his best life despite the drama :D
I like how the response to the successful deception is basically Astarion saying "I know you're lying, but ok let's say I believe you"
Honestly that's good DMing. Sometimes a successful persuasion check isn't making them believe you, It's getting the best possible outcome. A bard might not seduce a dragon on a natural 20, but maybe the dragon thinks the bard is cute and won't immediately roast it.
I mean, he is the great pretender, i don't think a natural 100 would convince him 😂
Him saying "that kind of power ruin a person" is just more proof that ascendant astarion is the bad ending. Can't believe some ppl are really trying to justify it 💀
Even in his non romance ending it's bad, he says in his romance ending basically "we gotta go kill our allies lest they turn on us" so in his non romance ending he's probably just gonna try kill us since we are one of his allies.
People want him to have a happy ending, none of his endings are happy though.
I just wish there was a way to give him the ability to walk in the sun and be free from his hunger 😭
I would argue it's the happiest ending for romancing him - you can become a true vampire by consuming his blood, he becomes an incredibly powerful vampire, thus you two can live forever. Not to mention, he can walk in sunlight. To each their own though, I believe morality is subjective, that there is no true right and wrong. This is of course my own opinion, it's simply not up for debate.
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that killing thousands of people for selfish reasons is in anyway moral.
Yo just imagine for a sec….being hungry…forever!! Bloody awful life. This poor guy. And he still manages to have a laugh. What a bloody trooper. Such a survivor.
I expected Astarion to leave your party if you kill Cazador without him, no matter your decisions
apparently not. he is still grateful as long as I don't imply I didn't trust him. romance and everything continues as usual. the dialogue is just a bit different because he didn't get that catharsis
@@MGamingVideos Which is very suprising. Considering how important it seemed to be for him to have that moment
@@Heroann Agreed. Larian clearly didn't want to deprive players of a companion for the Endgame battle over this, but... honestly, they should have, considering Astarion can also permanently leave if you piss him off enough due to other things! From a roleplaying standpoint I don't get players who deliberately or out of thoughtlessness don't take Astarion along to the finale _of his own storyline,_ depriving him of the much-needed need for emotional closure and the chance to make his _own_ choice to ascend or not, esp after his entire storyline was about Astarion finding autonomy!
I know in this video it was done for demonstration purposes. But I've seen postings of people on forums who just went and killed Cazador without Astarion, never let Astarion talk to the other spawns etc. Heck my own husband didn't want to take Astarion along into Cazador's palace in his playthrough and didn't understand why I was angry, he thought it wasnt a big deal and he was too lazy to switch out of his companion combo he had established.
@@TF2CrunchyFrogwhat things make him leave? I want to be good , will he leave if I do too many good things ? Or will he tolerate it just as long as you’re nice to him and let him have blood?
@@Lunakitty1234 you can do a good alignment run with him, as long as you treat him well and let him be his person he'll mellow out by act 2 and won't oppose as often. There are certain choices that will make any companion leave, but as long as you're not choosing options that are intentionally hurtful it'll be fine (and those are fairly obvious, like kicking him the balls if he ascends).
Thanks, Astarion is a permanent member of my party so I'll never get this xD I much prefere letting him deal with Cazador. Its much more cathartic
same here of course. :D but I was curious what would happen.
@@MGamingVideos understandable!
Thank you, this is interesting. He can shove you a new one or accept that you did it out of love. Yop, this ending is a whimper but it is an ending.
yes. obviously not my first choice to do this without him, but I was curious what would happen. the next conversation after this is also a bit different so I will upload that today.
I wouldn't be doing my job as a bard if I denied the hero his cathartic and epic opportunity for revenge. Thank you for showing this scenario, I surely won't be doing it in my playthrough ❤
Pressing F to doubt him accepting the 'hero' label, but I kinda like the idea of your Tav teasingly referring to him like that after the feast scene in Act 1 and then just...never stopping.
Fr even if you convince him that it was for the best it feels gaslighty and manipulative. You're robing him of his autonomy to make his own decisions, which is exactly what Cazador did to him
The "you want to have a chat now? Want do you want" had me giggling and kicking my feet lmao
Oh, this is gut-wrenching, the way Astarion describes being doomed forever to being a "wretched spawn" tormented day and night by endless painful hunger and fear... and soon he won't even be able to walk in the sun anymore, or swim in a river, or even just enter a house, once the tadpole is gone. If he at least had the choice to make his own decision, he can tell himself he's made his peace with it. But... I feel sad how neither of Astarion's ending - Ascension at the cost of tainting his soul with a monsterous sin vs staying a spawn forever and sacrificing his one chance at being reborn - are truly "good" or happy endings for him. It feels he is doomed either way, because the story offers him no escape. Especially if the player never romanced him or breaks his heart and dumps him, or (in an Origin run) never existed. And there are still people who dare call Astarion selfish?
I mean he is selfish but as you go through his story you understand why exactly he is, and it's completely understandable.
I hope there's an eventual dlc where you cure his vampirism. There's a spell in the DnD world called true resurrection that cures vampirism. There's an option at the end of the game where you can tell him you want to try to find a way to cure him. I hope they were alluding to that 😩
@@wh0rrendousI mean, technically Gale's whole revive me thing you can do, the scroll you get from the mephit is a scroll of true resurrection, but they don't let you use it on Astarion, but yeah, would be nice to have some kind of hope about it or to bring that up again.
@@elishajones1286 yes, I used a different scroll on gale and I kept that true resurrection scroll in my inventory during the whole game. lol but I kinda expected they won't let us do this. oh well
@@elishajones1286 oh, I haven't gotten that far with Gale's story yet. I had no idea it was already in the game.
Let's please just take a moment to appreciate the PERFECTION of the music in these scenes?!
What a masterpiece
imagine if after the 'your timing is incredible but ok, what?' line you just tell him you're breaking up with him
I might just do that and record it. x"D
@@MGamingVideos mood whiplash so hard he's gonna need a neck brace
OMG NOOO lol
this would be too hard to watch
@@melissamoreira13 Immediate hilarity with a short turn into regret.
"but perhaps you saved me from myself"
😭😭😭😭😭😭
(tsym for the video!!)
"We'll find you something else to kill" 🤣🤣
The acting and animation at 5:55. It's so realistic. That's exactly how someone would act in that situation I think too haha. That's really great animation. And amazing acting too.
In my first run: trying to be as good as possible, the thought of ascending never even popped up. He just straight up kills Cazador and thinks on what to do with the 7000. But maybe it's also cause I accidentally killed one of the spawns in the ritual?
Yes. That is correct. If one of them is killed during the fight, the ritual cannot be completed. That is the only time when he doesn't ask the main character to help with the ritual. I have seen other people who were confused about this and they thought it was because they played a good character or because of high approval. But the only thing that triggers that scene is one of the spawn dying.
@@MGamingVideos that's actually sad, if your character doesn't intervene he chooses to ascend no matter what
@@cen3684 well technically he cannot ascend unless our character supports that (he cannot see his own scars) but he always asks, he is always tempted. you can see what happens if he is alone here: th-cam.com/video/nhlkUYx7uqw/w-d-xo.html&t=
thanks bcuz i could never see these option in my playthrough. it's breaking my heart to see him being let down and angry.
I wish we had an option for him to drink a little of Cazador's blood. Enough to make him a true vampire without the whole ritual crap. Maybe he would have been happy-ish?
I think it's not just the ritual that makes Ascendent Astarion a total asshole. Lore-wise, being a full vampire on its own changes a person and warps their personality. I feel like not having had the chance to complete the ritual would have made Astarion even more powerhungry and angry if he were a fullblooded vamp :(
first of all, from what was established earlier it needs to be consensual and cazador would never let him do that. secondly, true vampires are still automatically evil in dnd so it will probably change him as much as the ritual would. finally, he would still have to live in the shadows even as a true vampire. so, no. its not worth it
edit: as someone else pointed out considering cazador’s own master astarion would be able to drink his blood as well without consent. my other points still stand tho
I wonder how casadore got permission from his master then? This shows it actually is possible.
@@bunniewood As far as I was aware. The vampire thrall just needs to blood of the elder. Not that it be given willingly. However, I could be wrong.
@@mccrie407It says the master must give willingly in the 5e Monster Manual
Meanwhile Scratch is just in the background like "Weeeeeeeeeeeee Cazador's dead!"
I could listen to Astarion say "gods you're beautiful" on repeat until I fucking drop dead
I didn't think this was even a posibility as I always have him in my party xD
I killed off one of the spawn during the ritual which meant Astarion couldn't finish the ritual. Saved me the trouble of having to talk him out of it.
Definitely gonna do that lol. I dont really care for Astarion, so I dont really trust him not to complete the ritual. Even as he changes for the better throughout the story, he's still a bit powerhungry, and Im not a fan. I suppose it also helps that I'm more attracted to Wyll and Gale, so I'm not really blinded by attraction or pity.
Seriously one of the funniest videos, hilarious and I would never have seen it in my playthrough. 😂
Wow, I'm pretty surprised by his reaction here. Given the chatartic fight he's having when you take him along, this fairly chill "oh well he's dead, I guess it's over now" reaction when left out is pretty unexpected. I like that they didn't just write the complete opposite though (like getting upset and leaving the party), this makes the player's choices a lot more colourful.
I'm surprised Astarion isn't more angry you didn't take him. Or somehow push his way into the mission. It is that important to him
This is how I discovered that not bringing companions to their respective quests effects the results and what they say lol. Until this point I hadn't swapped out my companions ONCE.
“You should’ve trusted me to make it” - man who absolutely chooses to ascend, kill all those people, and turns into (more of) a jackass if you let him to his own decision.
I let him decide and he just killed him without doing the ritual, but I was scared he'd go through with it
there's a vid on here that shows exactly what happens if you move the entire party away before pulling cazador from the coffin & let him choose for himself
spoiler:
he doesn't do the ritual when left to make the choice on his own & he sends the 7k spawn to the underdark with his siblings to look after them
there's also a vid of what happens if he talks to his sibs alone: he doesn't fry petras, & he chooses to tell them cazador plans to kill them
similarly, if left to talk to the gur tribe alone, he offers to help him find their children on his own too
This is the noisiest building.
It's funny, it never even crossed my mind to kill Cazador without Astarion unless Astarion got staked in Act I or something and just wasn't there. I've always had him with me, and he's always been allowed the chance to enact his own vengeance... I never considered that I might leave him behind, off Cazador myself, and then report back to him. Though, seeing these reactions, I'm rather glad I didn't; I can't play a character that makes my skin crawl, and doing that to him just feels gross.
I've been wondering since it happened, why isn't there an option to convince Astarion to bite Cazador after talking him down from the ritual and at least become a true vampire rather than a spawn.
I was wondering that myself, that even if he didn't ascend he could still get a small form of ascension by become a true vampire, but I saw in another comment on a vid showing his ascended voicelines if you try to break up with him that true vampires in d&d 5e (this is my first d&d experience so I was unaware) don't really retain their humanity and while he wouldn't be as twisted by the dark ritual he probably would still be quite dark and obsessed with power. And his love for you if romancing him would probably still become twisted and not very healthy. Especially with the whole not wanting competition thing, which tends to be why vampires apparently don't usually complete their spawn's transformations. So even if he offered to turn you, it would probably be to trap you so you can't leave him.
Though I do wish it was an option still, just for the extra story! And I'd consider him freeing himself of his spawn status to be better than going through with the ritual lol. Though I do wish it would be possible for him to give that last fuck you to Cazador and bite him while still retaining himself afterwards. But if it goes against d&d 5e rules I don't think they'd add that. Maybe in a future update we could have him bite Cazador anyway, even if it changes him xD I kind of thought it would be an option when he explains how true vampires are made at the beginning but oh well
Astarion mentions in one of his conversations that the true Vampire has to be willing to turn their spawn into a real Vampire for that to work. He also explains that this very rarely happens as Vampires don't like having their territory threatened or something, and if they were to turn their spawn into a true Vampire, they would have another rival on their hands. So because it requires the Vampire to be willing, it wouldn't work to just have Astarion bite Cazador without Cazador's consent to turn him. And we all know Cazador would never have been willing to turn Astarion in a true Vampire.
Whoa I never saw this option. I'm surprised at how amazing the acting is for Astarion. This game is awesome because literally no one has exactly the same choices. We all made different choices and that's super cool.
where are you guys? The creaking makes it sound like you are in the bowels of a ship lol
I straight up could not beat cazador before he killed astarion so i just left him at camp, beat up cazador, then went and brought astarion back while cazador was in his coffin so he could stab him at least and the game carried on as if he was there the whole time lmao
you don't have to beat him that quickly. you can just use ''help'' on Astarion and he is freed and he joins the fight, cazador can't complete the ritual after that.
@@MGamingVideos OH LMAO I DIDNT THINK OF THAT AT ALL
@@NilanOfTheMoon no surprise you couldn't do it xD it might be near impossible to finish cazador that quickly. we are meant to help astarion first.
Astarion: What do you mean 'dead'? How? Why?!
WHY IS THIS CAMP SO LOUDDDDD THERES NOT THIS MANY PPL IN THE ELFSONG
UPSTAIRS NEIGHBOR IN A PIRATE SHIP SIMULATOR
you had me until you said neighbor in a pirate ship simulator, now idk what this means lmao
This is the best outcome for him. He either accends and becomes evil, or gets pissed at you for not letting him accend. I unfortunately failed the speech checks.
he handles that so maturely if i were him i’d probably be like sooooo furious 😂😭
I wish wizards could show him on a crystal ball "the future" (what happens to his personality after doing the ritual)
I could never..
He 100% deserves to face Cazador and have the pleasure of destroying him himself, even if it's not the safest option
Yea especially when cazador kidnaps him during the fight. Its really tough with only 3 party memebers.
Just sneak attack cazador though, best choice for an early advantage and in character for astarion.
@@superdude200ify I didn't even realise I had to free Astarion mid-battle so I had the joy of seeing him turn to vampire juice twice..
Lol same here. One time the ritual completes, the other two times I just die lol really tough fight@@Cynder757
I played the battle without him but went back to fetch him afterwards to see how it would play out. Best idea IMO
That is some really cool gear he has on
Im starting to think (Im sure) that I'll never be able to do a playthrough where I make him suffer 😭😢
Im only human after all ...
though i'm kind of appalled that anyone would deny him the chance to get his own closure after 200 yrs of abuse, especially if they were romancing him, it is nice to see it documented that he doesn't just throw a fit & leave forever like shadowheart does if you don't take her with you to kill nightsong for her ridiculous goddess
he deserves to get hid revenge to finally move on but i am absolutely okay with cazador dying no matter how
he takes it rather well
Kinda want to make Astarion an oath of vengeance pally next playthrough after watching this, ngl
It's weird that the prospect of Astarion becoming a true vampire never came up since he could have bitten Cazador before killing him.
Sure, maybe he would still become a prick like when he's ascended, but at least he wouldn't have to sacrifice over 7000 souls for it.
As of patch 9, there is still a "wrong" cutscene, where Astarendant muses about being stuck to live in darkness and not able to walk in the sun. In contradiction to what is said several times that Ascendancy would gain you. 😖
The fucking quick save
this is so sad omg... also almost feel like he would've rather you bring a souvenir or something lmao because like, what, he's going to take your word for it? cazador was tormenting him all this time without doing anything just from the traumatic memories. Still, I think that this is more realistic. People who relate to him (me included) probably enjoy the idea of Astarion getting revenge, but most people don't get that. most people wake up and find out their abusive relative is dead. and its weird. i hope astarion could still be happy eventually u.u
I love that initial "Wait, what the fuck?" moment
I wonder what would happen if you killed Cazador and then just hid it from Astarion like it never happened.
So this is the situation...Astarion is my friend and I've been trying to convince him to not go ahead with the ritual...the thing is, I took him to fight cazador and once we defeat him he asks me for help with the ritual, i give him help thinking that he will do the right thing...he doesn't. I end up killing cazador to stop him, Astarion fights me and he dies. Load up save, i tell him i won't help him, he kills cazador and leaves all the spawn to their fate, he tells me to kms and then he leaves...🥲 NOW, this is what I'm gonna do, I'll just leave him at camp 😭 sorry champ we can't always get everything we want...
(I like him and i wanted him to kill cazador but i prefer he is temporarily mad at me than have him dead or wishing me death)
what does Astarion and Fallout New Vegas players have in common
Hating Cazadores
Wow, thanks for sharing! My guess was he would just leave. Do you get a romance cinematic with the best of this routs?
yes. everything continues as normal. the next conversation is also a little different, you can see it here: th-cam.com/video/s9oQvZb8994/w-d-xo.html
what i did was i fought cazador without asterion in the party, then went to the lower city sewers to get to camp, bring asterion, and i got the same cutscene from as though we fought him with asterion there :D
What armor is he wearing??
Elven Chain (rare medium armour) I think it's from the rivington general store
oh this is the worst, worse than anything the Durge does ever lol
Someone please tell me what happens if we make the party half Illithid. Will spawn Astarion be able to walk in sun? I tried so many things to solve this xD I even kept the noblestalk that was meant for Shadowheart. T T
I don't think it matters by endgame. (Spoiler below)
So I've only finished the game once and got the good ending, basically all the parasites die inside your head and so all of their powers disappear. Vampire spawn Astarion starts burning in the sun and runs away in fear. I didn't use any illithid powers in the playthrough but I assume that as long as the parasites die, Astarion can't walk in the sun as a spawn, so I don't think it matters.
@@SarahSnow99If the player romanced Astarion, you get a scene with Spawn-Astarion _after_ the Endgame scene at the docks, so at least we know he manage to find shelter from the sun in time and survived. But yeah, being half-Illithid won't save him. Persuading him to turn himself into a full Illithid might, as it also saved Karlach... but since in both D&D Lore and in BG3 it's explicitely stated (by Withers no less!) that full Illithids _no longer have a soul(!)_ that's a horrible options IMO, plus the fact Astarion was violently _against_ even taking the Astral Tadpole to become half-Illithid as he said he couldn't bear having his body transformed against his will again, the first time when he became a vampire and felt himself die and his organs change traumatized him enough.
@@SarahSnow99 The fact it doesn't matter is part of what holds this game back.
That and the big brain talking like a dumb cavewoman.
... And-
Anyone knows what the aura is behind the characters?
it's the stupid bless effect on the main character. very annoying
Curious, does it change the romance scene after this at all? Or no?
the romance scene is not changed at all. the conversation in the evening (right before the romance scene in the graveyard ) is different however. So I uploaded that if you are curious: th-cam.com/video/s9oQvZb8994/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=M
Quick question
That blue red glow
I have it too
And its the most annoying thing ever
So my question is
When you get it and how to get rid of it?
I don't know! It annoys me SO MUCH ! I think it's the bless effect which is active on my character. Every morning when she wakes up, it's active already, but I don't know what activates it.
I don't understand why they made this visible during cutscenes. We should send feedback to larian telling them to remove this effect during cutscenes.
I donno why my comments dont get added
I've typed like 7 times
T-T
If its bless you get it from the statue you build by the demon in the circus
And there's a mod that removes it
Though i thought it was the hell smell mizora said after sleeping with her
Ok so apparently if i put the mod link my comment doesn't get added but just type
Bless visual remove mod bg3
Anyways have fun
@@ActiasECHO oh wow thank you! I never would have thought about the statue. (Can't be Mizora because I didn't sleep with her on my main save.)
I can't get over how *good* the VA is.
I wonder if you get the same results if he’s not romanced though?
I think that one option "I did it for you" and he responds "I believe you" where I don't have pass a persuasion check (first option I picked) is romance specific. The rest of the dialogue, as far as I know, is the same.
Honestly wish he was like Karlach who breaks the 4th wall and you can tell him you’ve played different routes and it all ended up with when he’s ascended he’s just no longer him and a worse version of him. Just another Cazedor but named Astarion.
Where did you get this armor?? On both Tav and Astarion
Astarion's armour is the Elven Chain. you can buy it in the Rivington general store. Tav is wearing the Potent Robe which you receive as a quest reward in act 2 for saving the tieflings in moonrise towers. (But Lorroakan's robe looks the same, so you can get another one of this robe in act 3 when you kill him)
How did you get this camp location? Where did you rest at?
elfsong tavern. you need to rent a room there. then it becomes your camp location in the lower city for the remainder of act 3.
omg thank you so much i've been wondering for so long!!!@@MGamingVideos
Cazador confuses me , he looks asian is a vampire lord and has a spanish name and speaks english
What, are asians speaking english too weird of a concept for you or something
wtf is up with that background noise?
What if we killed him by accident and tells astarion. Like well astarion you know cazador right? .... Yeah he... Um... Died. I didn't know it was him I swear he... it was an accident. And thenhow do you guys think he would react?
This seems like a romanced Astarion though, I wonder what happens if he's not romanced, or just has a ok opinion of you, he turned on me when I didnt let him complete the ritual last time so now I ponder if this time I dont bring him at all
that only happens if you have kinda low approval, it's not related to romance. to be honest I think that's fair.
I usually have good or more likely very good approval with every companion by the time we reach act 2. If the player doesn't have good approval with a companion in act 3, then that companion was neglected or the main character was a bit of a dick to them. lol other companions also f off if the approval is low/neutral when you do their personal quests or if you don't bring them to their own quest.
romance specific dialogue in this scene seems to be the one I first picked in the video ("I did it for you") where I don't have to pass a persuasion check. I think the rest of it is probably available for everyone.
The reaction at the start of the video. I always kill Astarian at least by 5e night-time bite scene but his voice actor does such a damn good job I might have to try a playthroug with him. That and I found all the companions can end up cool.
You are missing SO much content without him.
Man... screw this guy, if he wsan't so good at picking locks, he'd be camp cook and bottle washer.
What is this camp location?
elfsong tavern. if you rent a room there, it becomes your camp location for the rest of act 3
On some level, I think this is the best ending for his personal quest. If he completes the ritual, he does become Cazador 2.0. If he doesn't, he seems like he'd spend the rest of his existence realizing he had all that power at his fingertips and always wonder about what could have been... especially when huddled behind crates, victim once more of the sun at the end of the game. That would have to torture him somewhat even if he made tentative peace with the idea of refusing it. The whole "resolve it for him" option, leaving the details to obscurity, genuinely seems to be in his best interest.
eh. I am not sure about that. I personally very much prefer the version where he is present and he can kill cazador himself. If you watch the other vid that I linked in the description under this video, you can see how he feels about this later.
wondering what could have been is always something he can do. in fact if he wasn't present then he doesn't even know what choice he would have made so he can wonder about that as well.
This man's romance route is really tough, isn't it? (I'm choosing it anyway because I hate myself)
Not at all. It's super easy to increase his approval. He likes you immediately if you let him have some blood and you protect him a couple of times.
And you normally wouldn't do a companion's final quest without them. But as you can see at the very start of the vid, if you are in a romance with him, even this isn't a problem. He will believe it immediately if you say "I did it for you. I wanted you to be safe" this isn't even a persuasion option and he has the best reaction to it.