>one of the main conflicts being illegal I don't think white knighting is gonna land you any pussy in youtube videos. Just a fyi, everyone sees right through you irl, every single time you try to white knight.
@@epocish It very much is. Even in Japan, the age when a person becomes an adult is 18. While the age of consent in Japan is below 16, Japan has been criticized wildly in the international community for its pedophilia rates. Besides, you can't tell me that the judge contemplating proposing to Regina isn't creepy, let alone the 21 year old Max or the MID 30'S Ben Woodman. Besides, why are you sticking up for Big Top? It just.... isn't good. It's fine if you like it, that's an opinion, but your statement has directly harmful real world implications.
@@abigailc8829yeah in the original Edgeworth calls mia a novice lawyer so her response of same to you buddy makes more sense there (however the translation makes it become bimbo)
i thought i was going to hate the ini miney case when it started, getting the supernatural stuff a little too involved, but the twist that the murder took place because they were going to try to contact a spirit that was still alive and she couldnt afford for people to find out was so good, it's pretty much my favorite case now
First time I heard Godot's theme: "So the prosecutor's a deep, coffee drinking man with a cyborg mask that calls Phoenix unoriginal? And his theme's smooth jazz? This is so insane I love it!" Second time: "Damn, this guy's cool. How's he so good? What happened?" Hearing it at the end of Bridge to the Turnabout: *crying my eyes out*
Sure Mia does catch Redd White for you but it calls back to how she told Maya to give Phoenix three years more unless she wanted to be found guilty. I think it makes more sense that rookie attorney Phoenix Wright couldn't catch Redd White a criminal that has judges and attorneys in his pocket. In fact Phoenix needs Mia's help up until Bridge to the Turnabout (which would be three years) and is shown in Apollo Justice to no longer need her assistance.
As much as people like to talk shit about Turnabout Big Top, it's one of the few cases in the trilogy where Phoenix manages to solve it without Mia's assistance. He also managed to solve the majority of Recipe for Turnabout by himself, only needing Mia to coax some information out of an old man.
and honestly after ruining her mothers repuation, blackmailing her mentor, killing her, andframing both her sister and student, Mia more than deserves to get back at Redd White tbh.
I think Mia returning to finish the job is part of why Turnabout Sister has a very satisfying and rewarding ending. There's no loose ends or regret. Mia avenged her mother. Phoenix avenged Mia and got reunited with Edgeworth. Maya became Phoenix's valuable partner. There's no regular feeling of "why did my mentor has to die?" or "There's so many things you could teach or do together with me." Just a satisfactory that you earned.
Agree! It also showed that Gumshoe was more than just a bumbling oaf and that he was actually heroic. I think is more accurate to say that Samurai is a case with a lot of filler rather than a filler case.
turnabout samurai is the original filler case, but that’s not a bad thing. it’s the first case where you have a classic maya and phoenix investigation. since the first game is so self-contained and sets up for the whole series, even the filler case is integral
I always felt justice for all is underrated. It has the worst intro case in the series but it's just short and irrelevant, i don't think it is much worse than 1-1. And in regards of 2-3, i don't think it's as awful as people make it out to be; it's just your regular filler case, but i found it entertaining and actually on par with cases such as 1-3, 3-2 or 3-3 (talking only about the trilogy here). The game benefits from having only 4 cases, and 2-2 is so good, so thrilling, entertaining, well thought, and also one of the most relevant since it is the set-up for T&T, while 2-4 is of course one of the very best.
I agree with this whole ranking except from the last 2. I prefer Farewell, my turnabout over Bridge to the turnabout. But other than that, I agree completely :)
@@zenohd6934 I don't know, I just like the whole idea of the fact that this is the first time somebody you're defending is actually guilty but you can't prove it otherwise Maya is killed. I guess it's the fact that there is a lot of pressure during the trials and Edgeworth comes back. But bridge to the turnabout is a good case. :)
That's a fair opinion; 2-4 was my favorite (holy shit was the end nervewracking and the concept is so godtier, plus Edgeworth is great in it) until I played 3-5. Bridge to the Turnabout is my favorite for three reasons. 1. 3-5 was the only case I played through with relatively no spoilers. I had already watched a playthrough of all the cases besides the last one. Actually playing through it and learning through the twists that way was so much better than just passively watching. 2. It redeemed my opinion of the entire game. So far, there were two meh cases (Phoenix's) and two good, but short cases (Mia's). I wasn't particularly impressed with this game until I played 3-5, which made Mia's cases SO MUCH BETTER in retrospect. It also slightly redeemed 3-2 for me, since that case introduced Godot (who I didn't like much until 3-5, where his arc was resolved). 3. It's such a good ending to the trilogy. It follows up on 2-2's unresolved ending, while also resolving Maya's arc and the unsolved stuff with her (what happened to Misty). Good stuff. (Plus, Edgeworth is even better here than 2-4. I love playing as him.)
@@rhimcxx I really do love the part where Edgeworth helps you storm Matt Engarde's mansion. It was the first time you felt like Edgeworth was an ally, and not just a grumpy opponent. Plus, seeing him rock the full force of the police department with his boyfriend Phoenix at his side is just fantastic.
I feel The Lost Turnabout would have been a lot better if we got to play as Maya instead; then that stupid amnesia plot wouldn't have been necessary. Just think about it, Phoenix gets knocked out by Wellington for the phone, and Maya finds him unconscious and Phoenix is taken to the hospital or the courthouse's infirmary or something. Maggey arrives to find there's no one to represent her in the trial now and Maya decides to take over. We can have Maggey assist Maya and help her find the culprit who killed Dustin Prince and assaulted Phoenix. Doesn't that sound a lot better than what we got?
@@zimonzieclown1633 I mean, your idea doesn't work because Maya would just call her sister, and if she didn't, it would be out of character or a plot hole. Tbh, I think their is way were 2-1 could work at all. We didn't need another tutorial because the series is supposed to be played in order anyways.
@@yu_cp8978 There's a fan game called Trials After Justice that has you play as Maya in the first case; there Phoenix mentions the possibility of Maya channeling Mia but Maya didn't think of that, so that's what I was going for. Also, literally EVERY first case of EVERY Ace Attorney game to date has tutorials; they're literally called tutorial cases by most of the fanbase.
Honestly I like the stupid amnesia plot because it allows for some entertaining interactions and dialogue. However, I do agree that this case is pretty bad; it's just a guilty pleasure of mine.
Stolen Turnabout and Recipe for Turnabout are weird cases, especially back to back. The fact that proving DeLite's innocent of larceny then "proves" that he murdered is former boss is a great twist, but having to go back on what you said for almost everything on day 1 trial is annoying. Recipe is similar where you have to go back on what phony Phoenix said and the 2 incidents that happened get jumbled up in your head. Even after replaying the games I still get confused and think "wait, what happened in each day?" If it was just one case it wouldn't be so bad but having both of those cases back to back really make me reflect on them negatively.
One little thing that bugs me about Stolen Turnabout is the sword. What was the real reason it got bent?! We established that Luke Atmey wasn't there the night of the crime, so he couldn't have been bashed by it. So what the hell?! Also I frankly hated Recipe. The biggest offender is Jean Armstrong. I get that the story was written 20 years ago in a different culture, so it's not like it was the point, but I'm still not super comfortable with the way the character - unintentionally, again I must stress - portrays trans people as mentally deranged and prone to criminal behaviour. And I know the character isn't ACTUALLY trans, they're just very effemenate, but in English the character refers to themselves as a girl a few times and the whole thing makes me really uncomfortable.
@@swishfish8858 I think the sword being bent is the one of the only plot points that goes unsolved in the entirety of the series. The wiki even says so.
Really good video! Only advice would be, a video like this could probably benefit from perhaps being segmented, or just a longer video in general, so you have more time to articulate your thoughts. You've got another sub in me! keep it up
Thanks for the feedback. I'm definitely going to make some more videos delving into specific cases. I'm pretty new to this style of video, so I'll keep what you said in mind!
there is something real funny about saying "one of the main conflicts in big top is illegal", in a game where the main conflict is usually related to murder, which is also very illegal i do agree though that the whole love triangle was extremely gross
And you know what's worse. The "conflict" that he mentioned is actually LEGAL. Japan age of consent was 16, even 15 in some province. Making it possible AND legit to marry Regina.
I honestly enjoyed Turnabout Big Top, much to my surprise. Sure, the whole case was seriously a stretch and some of the characters were pretty annoying (and creepy), but there was a certain charm to the whole chapter. The Ace Attorney anime also had a lot of Big Top/ circus themes featured in the second opening, and boy is it beautifully animated and magical. The only things I had major issue with were the love triangle, and the fact that I really struggled with some of the cross examinations. I also liked Acro, It's nice to see a killer who wasn't denying their deed or going mental after the verdict and admit to his wrongs, but you can't exactly feel bad for the guy. I mean, my guy tried to murder a teenage girl straight away instead of trying to talk things through. Our rankings are really similar despite that though! You made a lot of really good points for why you put each Turnabiut in its place.
While I absolutely despised that case, I admit Acro was one of the best killers in the game... And that means that the most likeable character was the one who ended convicted :(
Hum, hum - I decided to make my own list of how fondly I remember each of the cases, and it wound up matching your list pretty closely! I played the trilogy initially like 7+ years ago, never making it past Turnabout Beginnings because I got stuck there. Very recently I did a new playthrough together with my best friend, where we went all the way through and it was a lot of fun! Tier 1: Incredibly Satisfying 3-5: Bridge to the Turnabout 2-4: Farewell, My Turnabout 1-4: Turnabout Goodbyes 1-5: Rise from the Ashes Tier 2: Fond Memories 2-2: Reunion, and Turnabout 3-4: Turnabout Beginnings 3-1: Turnabout Memories 1-3: Turnabout Samurai Tier 3: I Remember Having Fun 1-2: Turnabout Sisters 1-1: The First Turnabout 2-1: The Lost Turnabout Tier 4: Bad Memories 2-3: Turnabout Big Top 3-3: Recipe for Turnabout 3-2: The Stolen Turnabout My thoughts mostly match yours on each of the cases as well, I think, with four big exceptions: Turnabout Samurai, and the three I put in Tier 4. For Turnabout Samurai, I think what puts it higher on my list than yours is that I actually quite like Will Powers, Dee Vasquez, and the Steel Samurai's existence in the setting in general. Will Powers was a nice guy who deserved a lot more appreciation than he got, and how much he cared about the kid fans really stuck out to me. Dee Vasquez was the first perpetrator that really felt like she knew what she was doing, and though her personality is a lot more understated than most antagonists in the series, she nonetheless stuck out to me on my second playthrough. The way she would respond to being pressed with these thoroughly unhelpful one-word replies was both funny and made her feel like a pretty darn tough cookie to deal with. Her being spooky and ruthless and yet having a sympathetic backstory and only having done the crime out of self-defense was also a really interesting juxtaposition. (...I'll admit there is some possibility that my realizing I was A: a lesbian and B: a bottom could have contributed to me paying more attention to her...) And finally, the Steel Samurai as a show just helps the setting feel a bit more alive and lived in. And in-universe pieces of media can be really neat because characters can make references to them in a way that feels relatable to the the players, while not rapidly becoming outdated the way referencing real-life pieces of media would. And then there's my bottom three: I'll explain why they stuck out mainly badly in my mind. Turnabout Big Top: I have pretty much no attachment to any of the characters in this case other than being mildly annoyed by a few, so this case was mostly forgettable to me. The love triangle was pretty weird with the ages, but I managed to mostly ignore it. Still, this case is just a thorough "meh" in my memories. I suppose I liked that Maya's interactions with Regina probably bolstered some lesbian/bi Maya headcanons? That's the best I got, really. Recipe For Turnabout: The main characters that stick out in my memories are Jean Armstrong and Viktor Kudo. That's not a good thing. I didn't really understand why I felt so deeply uncomfortable with Armstrong on my first playthrough, but that was like 7+ years ago, and by now I understand him as a character that basically just exists as "hey, look at how Gross and Weird the Queers are". I've gotten thicker skin than when I was a teenager, but I'd still rather avoid seeing him on the screen whenever possible. He's really the worst example of the outright rancid "comedy" the games sometimes have. Viktor Kudo isn't as bad, his "old man wanting attention and to feel relevant" shtick was pretty funny to me, but his maid fetish was pretty... weird sometimes. Did we really have to have Maya and then Mia to dress in a maid uniform just to appease his fetish? The "female character has to flirt with/appeal to gross men they don't like in order to extract information from them" trope isn't really one I'm a fan of. The Stolen Turnabout: There's a lot of things I like about this case, like Mask DeMasque, Luke Atmey, Ron DeLite, Godot… Unfortunately, none of that takes up as much space in my head as the phrase "Fucking Larry." The Stolen Turnabout actually halted the playthrough of my friend and I for over a month. We got to Larry in the investigation section, started talking to him, and promptly didn't want to play anymore. Later, whenever we were in the mood to play more Phoenix Wright, we'd boot up the game, look at Larry's shitty borderline-incel dialogue, and promptly didn't want to play anymore. We eventually managed to force ourselves through it, but it took quite a while. I actually liked Larry before this, but Trials and Tribulations just massively flanderizes him and makes him into... yeah, a shitty borderline-incel. He's not quite a full incel yet, but he's closer to being an incel than he is to being Old Larry. The Stolen Turnabout, for causing my friend and I to just stop wanting to play the game, and for making us hate a character we'd previously liked, pretty easily hits rock bottom of my "personal enjoyment" tier list. I will say, though, that if Larry had not been present, this case probably would've been somewhere in Tier 2 for me.
Here are the keys to the channel, may as well take my job. Best comment I have ever received hands down. It made me completely halt editing just now. Love your analysis especially on Larry. Makes me regret putting him in "A" tier on my latest video. Long live the Chads and fuck the incels.
@@tbone415 Ha! Well, one could make a reasonable argument that Larry from the first game and Larry from Trials and Tribulations are basically different characters, and I think you could argue first game Larry to be in "A" tier. ;p I'm glad you appreciated my comment!
@@darkcat6530 Perhaps if I were trying to make a tier list of the quality of each case, that would be so! But this list is purely about how much I personally felt about each case, and how fondly I remember them. It is a very subjective list, and I can completely understand how 3-2 especially could be among someone else's favorites. 3-2 has a lot of really cool stuff going for it. Still, everyone has their own likes and dislikes in fiction, and I think most people have at least one thing that they have a much lower tolerance for than average, some trope they really hate. For me, 3-2 was the case that had stuff in it that I personally had a really low tolerance for, and thus I could not enjoy it as much as I would have liked.
the final cases are objectively the best, but i feel like cheesy fun ones like turnabout samurai and the stolen turnabout are just as important to the soul of ace attorney
I really disagree with the turnabout samurai placement. The case was essential to develop edgeworth and they do a good job of it. I mean imagine if the case didn't exist edgeworth development would feel weird and incomplete. Not only that but i really like the calm atmosphere during the investigation phases and i like the defendant a good amount. Obviously the case isn't perfect. The side characters were ok at best the villain exists cuzz we need a villain and the plot is decent i feel like it isn't that bad
I really do hate Turnabout Big Top, for obvious reasons. But honestly, the circus music that plays in the background is really catchy. It's too bad, because I do like the circus, and I think the circus is a great place for an investigation and all. It was just so held back by the unnecessary love triangle involving two men- and a puppet- and a teenage girl. Moe was a decent character- though it takes time to get used to him- and I really liked Acro and his backstory. I did find the case to be a little long for my liking, though, just like with the Steel Samurai case. Definitely my least favorite case. I'd say my favorite case would be the case with Luke Atmey. I loved the twist in the first trial day: no one was killed, your goal was to find a thief for once, and honestly, Atmey is a great villain. He played everyone for a damn fiddle at first, and that was great. Ron was adorable in his own way, Larry came back, they made references to Oldbag, and best of all, Adrian Andrews returned. The case itself wasn't too long or drawn out, it had just enough twists and difficulty to be fun, yet wasn't so hard that it was a pain to get through, and this was Godot's introduction... and it was done so well. Also this might be a hot take, but I wish they did more "extra" cases like Rise from the Ashes. I thought it was an excellent way to expand the universe, try some new stuff, use the DS's extra screen, and give us an extra challenge once saving the day in the rest of the cases. I really wish they did this with more games, and if Capcom DOES make more Ace Attorney games, I hope they make a habit of making extra cases in the future. Hell, I'd be out the nose for more DLC if that's what it comes down to!
Mostly agree here with the ordering here. One of my faves has got to be Reunion and Turnabout. I found the twist to be really thrilling and one I remember having to actively think about before proceeding on. Glad to see it’s rated high here, as I think it’s pacing is spot on 👍
this was great, have some personal disagreements based on how i experienced certain cases and how much enjoyment i got from them (mainly the steel samurai one, jack hammer was such an interesting victim and that in and of itself is pretty rare for one thing. i ranked it higher on my personal one) but the top 4 are top 4 for a reason. theyre just incredible. i think bridge to the turnabout changed me, lmfao. I was long since even before getting into AA intrigued by Godot, but that case made him my favorite character.
There is nothing weird in Phoenix's interactions with Maya and Ema, he sees them as his annoying but endearing younger sisters. There are a bunch of characters in AA that are creepy to young girls, and the game reminds you multiple times that Phoenix is not one of them.
Personally my 2 least favorite cases are Turnabout Sisters and Recipe for a Turnabout, and both for the same reason. The way you catch the villain just never felt satisfying for me. In both cases, you never get to present definitive evidence of the killer. In Sisters, Mia just shows up and kinda Deux-ex Machinas the entire case. And in Recipe, you win because Furio is a dumbass and is easily tricked.
@@yu_cp8978 Well true, but he got tricked into revealing he knew which bottle had the poison in it simply by Phoenix showing the wrong bottle which made Furio run his mouth.
@@rusticdebris8021 what are you talking about? That was a cool moment, seeing Phoenix bend the rules like that and making a final desperate attempt by outright lying to the witness (which you the player have to choose) makes for a satisfying pay off
While I'm not going to really defend the choice to make Samurai three days long, it does make sense to introduce the "trials are three days long at most" thing before Goodbyes rolled around so it didn't blindside players. I don't believe that it was brought up in The First or Sisters, so there's at least a logical reason behind the decision, even if it's fundamentally flawed.
Last Place: Game 2, Case 1 Game 2, Case 3 Game 1, Case 1 Game 1, Case 3 Game 1, Case 2 (best of the lesser cases) _Basically 3rd Game outside of the ending_ Game 3, Case 3 Game 3, Case 2 Game 3, Case 1 Game 3, Case 4 _Top 5_ Game 2, Case 2 6:43 Game 1, Case 5 *The 3 Finales* 9:52 Finale Game 1 10:48 Finale Game 2 13:03 Finale Game 3
Tbh, I think that "farewell, my turnbout" its the best case of the trilogy. I reallu love the concept of phoenix losing a case to get the real culprit of everything.
Can you explain to me the context as to what you mean "No one explained to her what homosexuality is"? I've watched the vid several times over and still don't get it.
This is such a weird opinion but I love the stolen turnabout to death, with the top 3 being the same but rise from the ashes in 5th and the stolen turnabout taking fourth. Adrian Andrews returning was great to see, Larry Butz was worse than the first game but still great, and Godot was incredibly introduced. Desiree is pretty average, but where the case truly shines for me is Atmey and Ron DeLite. Loving Atmey is probably less controversial so I will start with that, but Atmey is always funny and him repeating his breakdown twice was hilarious. It was super fun to take him down and his murder plot might have been the most layered and complex in the trilogy. He also has the best name pun and a great theme song. Then we have Ron DeLite, where I’m not quite sure it people love or hate him. His confession immediately was kind of funny and kind of lost its weirdness factor due to rise from the ashes, and the twist that THIS CINNAMON ROLL WAS ACTUALLY MASQUEDEMASQUE WAS INCREDIBLE. I literally never expected that. His gimmic of nobody listening to him and trailing off was also funny, and the end part where he used double jeopardy to escape all his crimes was both hilarious and made me happy because of how cool this man is. Also legendary song and i love Desiree’s description of him saving her. I have just realized how long this comment is. My number one skill in life is gushing about the stolen turnabout. Luke Atmey has a cool nose. Goodbye. Edit: bad wording
I don't understand why people give 2-4 so much credit when it lacks quality. Don't get me wrong, JFA and T&T are good, but IMO and I repeat, IN MY OPINION, I feel the original Trilogy [The First Game] gets the win in terms of quality, start, storyline and a great ending. Jesus Christ, 1-4 and 1-5 are even more underrated considering they give realistic concepts here. I would like to reiterate on the first; A psychopathic view of being a perfectionist, seeking revenge against your rival, killing him, training his son, only to completely damn his life by prosecuting the case of which he is accused of, well-knowing that he will get the death penalty. A truly cunning, criminal mastermind with one of the most villainous characteristics. Not to mention, his tactics and strategies make him the best prosecutor. Manfred von Karma was top-notch, I would even consider him the best antagonist in the entire series. We couldn't get a single edge over him throughout the entirety of the trial except the ending where Phoenix literally carried out a bluff which LUCKILY worked beautifully for him. 1-4 also had a really well-written connection case, being the DL-6 incident, and of course, Edgeworth's backstory for the matter. What I want to convey is the negativity, the buildup of corruption in humanity, and the evils living in Society right now. People who develop hatred and will go to any length to carry out even murder, to get rid of any inconveniences. Realistically speaking, it's the most understandable motive yet people find it boring. Most common, in fact. Coming to RFTA, it seriously had one of the best antagonists in the entire franchise. Damon Gant, someone working in the police force, right at the top, being the head of the department, turning out to be a perpetrator and the true murderer of the case, not to mention, he carried out a most perfect plan during Joe Darke's final attempt to kill, using the opportunity present to him to gain something which is VERY realistic for human beings as well: Power. Authority. Another beautiful way to portray corruption, what self-conceited ambitions may lead you to, unless you are following the correct path. Gant blackmailed a person, using their family and the horror of losing those precious individuals, to threaten that very person in doing whatever he orders. He forged evidence, concealed evidence and even handed the former to a prosecutor enabling him to use it as dirt against him once the public finds out. Not to mention, a very intelligent move to use the concealed evidence as insurance to display Ema as the supposed culprit to escape punishment. And let's not even talk about the investigation as well as the mechanics. Those who have come this far reading this essay, thank you and have a nice day. Also please remember that these are my personal opinions.
I don't realize how so many people prefer 2-4 to RFTA. RFTA was amazing, even the most minor of characters (ex. Angel Starr) were likable. I loved the parallels and contrast between the Fey and Skye sisters; it was a key moment of character development for Edgeworth (in the following games he becomes less cut-throat and we no longer see him acting sketchy in the courtroom just to win a trial); jar fuckery aside, every part of Gant's plan and of the investigation made perfect sense; and finally, the new investigation mechanics were very fun, I expected them to be added in the following games as well.
Very similar to my personal list although I'd probably move reunion down a spot or two and I would put big top above samurai. While less important for the plot I do think the comedy is pretty good. Phoenix fighting a monkey, trying to tell a joke and getting zero reaction, von karma having a tracking device on gumshoe, etc were all very funny and I think put it above samurai. Ben is still probably the worst character in this entire series by a significant margin though. Like damn he's creepy.
Like the only all star who didn't play a part in the last trial was Manfred von Karma but at the same time his actions led to a lot of what happened in the last trial. So take that as you will.
i was introducing my friend to AA, starting from the very beginning. it was fun and we were voice acting and when she had to leave i saved it for her BUT. at the time i was playing rise from the ashes and i was a bit more than halfway through. and i made the mistake of saving her game on my file and i had to start FROM THE BEGINNING
Correction RFTA is actually far from the longest case in the series and it’s actually not that much longer than Bridge. RFTA is below the top 5 in case length.
I mean i like it too but most of the characters are annoying to be honest. And poor logic annoyed alot people especially during gameplay. And it wasnt good until Acro stood on witness stand
I don't think it has to do anything with logic as the majority of Ace Attorney cases do have large leaps of logic with them. This case literally has no difference when it comes to the rest base around the logic I think the problem is that the other cases help you guide through the case that way the crazy logic starts to make sense to the player. This case doesn't. It expects you to come up with these crazy conclusions that the average player would not come to. The moment when apparently the coat the ringmaster wore landed perfectly on the statue when he got hit in the head which is why Moe believed the statue to be Max was when I was already done and it didn't get better after that. After I finished the case it was the first time I took a break from the game as I thought I needed one after all that. I am happy that about 2 weeks later I came back to a much better case.
I liked a lot of the cases, but there are some nitpicks I have with some. - I can't understand why people didn't like Big Top. I only found Ben a little annoying but the larger penalty for pressing unnecessary statements was interesting, unlike - how in ini miney's case I was forced to press pointless statements to push the game into a scripted event. That really annoyed me but I like the premise of the case. - Recipe for turnabout started interesting but the second Furio showed up I was so offput. You're telling me that he's the one that somehow fooled the courts and the defendant maggie into thinking he was Phoenix?? And Maggie didn't realize that her lawyer was the same person she saw sitting at the table of the same crime scene?? - I know Luke Atmey's name is literally look at me, but being so overconfident with nothing to show for it started to annoy me - I thought the stakes raised so fast in episode 2 that Redd White had to come back, but he just doesn't. it is cool that the whole case is based off of the watergate scandal though
@@tbone415 Revolution is at least 12 hours. More, if it's your first playthrough. RFTA is about 7.5 hours. Besides, TGAA's final case (The Adventure of the Unspeakable Story) is 10 hours, and multiple TGAA cases are 8 hours or so.
I don't quite agree with the inconsistency in how you rank Turnabout Sisters vs how you rank Reunion, and Turnabout. Both introduce characters and establish AA storylines, but Reunion, and Turnabout makes top 5 while Turnabout Sisters is dragged through the mud for doing the same thing. Otherwise, mostly good list friend. Have a like.
It's been forever since I made this video but I'll explain it a bit more to you. Sisters to me does a great job at establishing the main cast, but it still isn't all that great of a case. It's relatively easy as you'd expect what was supposed to be the first case to be. The fact that Mia literally hands you the evidence to win the case has always left a sour taste in my mouth about it as well. Reunion, I'd say is a better mystery. It's definitely more challenging and in a good way. It set's up Bridge to the Turnabout, and having a connection to that case is never a bad thing. Both get bonus points for not forcibly stretching it to three days like some of the other cases in the series.
@@tbone415 Yeah the forcing trials to three days thing was at its worst with turnabout samurai, godawful pacing. Good video btw, and thanks for the reply :)
Disappointed case for me is Turnabout Big Top. I really wanted to like it, but the lion tamer has to be the most clueless person ever. Surprising case for me (even though it was one of the easiest) is Recipe for Turnabout. It was a good twist at the beginning where you see 'Phoenix' lose and him not even knowing that he lost. Plus I am also a sucker for anything mob related, so theres that...
3-3 > 3-2, I know you said that you could cut case 3 and lose nothing, but you could also cut case 2, after all, then his intro would be in Recipe for Turnabout instead and the plot is much more intriguing, and also I just don't care that much for case 2. Though I will admit, I can look past Payne bc he's an idiot and I'll even look past the judge, he's old and his eyesight probably could use some work, BUT REALLY MAGGEY, the fact she couldn't tell someone who is SO OBVIOUSLY not Phoenix was defending her. Like I know she's only met him once, but still. I think it would've been better had he looked closer to Phoenix.
I’m glad edgeworth was the prosecutor because we would have lost to Von karma in farewell my turnabout didn’t edgeworth destroy Von karma in trials and Tribulations and that was his first time being a defence attorney I also think edgeworth is a much better prosecutor than her even though fran has a better record
@Conor Mulhall but, like it's so they aren't suspected of the crime or so they weren't exposed for something else these ones just lie to you because they are under the thumb of A F**KING TIGER MAN.
I didnt like the ini miney case because i felt it was almost to easy to guess that she was pretending to be her sister(i liked that her motive was unexpected) the surprise twist wasnt enough to counteract how bored i was with this case untill the ending. Much prefered samurai i think i just enjoyed the first game alot and this case was good filler that acted like world building for me.
15:32 I’m pretty sure you know this, but that isn’t the end of the series, is the end of the first trilogy. There are more additions to the Ace Attorney franchise. This is the reason why commentary and animator TH-cam use a script. If you didn’t use a script, I recommend you use one. That is if you have the free time to make one. It makes commentary so much easier. Doing it on Google docs is pretty easy. It’s like school but it’s not that boring.
Did you not play phoenix wrightspirit of justice or are you just talking about the trilogy when you say series? Turnabout revolution is like 15 hours long, in fact, many of the cases in spirit of justice are the same length if not longer than rise from the ashes
Oh haha. It's a joke. When you first meet Lana in the detention center she mentions that Mia was strong, which is "probably why she was attracted to me". Ema then immediately responds with "Intellectually attracted! Lana was top of her class at law school!".
>one of the main conflicts being illegal
I don't think white knighting is gonna land you any pussy in youtube videos. Just a fyi, everyone sees right through you irl, every single time you try to white knight.
TIL being against pedophilia is white knighting.
@@epocish It very much is. Even in Japan, the age when a person becomes an adult is 18. While the age of consent in Japan is below 16, Japan has been criticized wildly in the international community for its pedophilia rates. Besides, you can't tell me that the judge contemplating proposing to Regina isn't creepy, let alone the 21 year old Max or the MID 30'S Ben Woodman. Besides, why are you sticking up for Big Top? It just.... isn't good. It's fine if you like it, that's an opinion, but your statement has directly harmful real world implications.
@@epocish pedophilia legally ends at 18, but realistically it should end at 21, same as when drinking age starts.
@@MakenaForest Women are fully developed long before 18, therefore not pedophilia
@@MakenaForest Drinking age being at 21 is really only a US thing. Most countries have it around 18/19
the best part of Turnabout Beginnings is when Mia calls Edgeworth a bimbo
I think it was the opposite! Edgeworth called Mia a novice bimbo lol
@@random_d00d yeah, but then Mia said "Same to you", implying that she was calling Edgeworth a bimbo as well
@@MLittleBrony oh yeah that's true! 😂
@@random_d00d Apparently that's only in the translation. (On Edgeworth's end. Not sure about if Mia does or not.)
@@abigailc8829yeah in the original Edgeworth calls mia a novice lawyer so her response of same to you buddy makes more sense there (however the translation makes it become bimbo)
i thought i was going to hate the ini miney case when it started, getting the supernatural stuff a little too involved, but the twist that the murder took place because they were going to try to contact a spirit that was still alive and she couldnt afford for people to find out was so good, it's pretty much my favorite case now
Same here! At first I didn’t like how they brought in the supernatural but I love how they managed to plausibly explain it and the twist
Totally. They somehow managed to add it into the game with plot relevance, while still having you question whether or not it's real
And in the anime Ini Miney dabs, what's not to love?
I just noticed this, I think it's pretty neat that Franziska's "distressed" pose has her clutching her shoulder just like her father.
Yep. I touch on this a bit in this upcoming Friday's video but they really like to show character inspiration through animations.
Like father like daughter I suppose…
And in Farewell, My Turnabout, she gets shot in the right shoulder. A contrast to her father getting shot in the left shoulder.
@@roberthouse6587 Didn't he get shot in his right shoulder?
@@whirl3690 oh right
Wh-what is Ini Miney's real name?
*Attorney's Badge*
no its newspaper clipping 2
@@SonOfSparda3139 no it’s definitely box with a hole in it
@@greenperson7947 no, it's very clearly folding screen
@@SonOfSparda3139 are you kidding me? It's clearly Maya's clothes
@@adamyusuf1805 *sigh* How dare you refer to Pearl’s Ball like that
I just realized something.
You either absolutely love Pearl or you absolutely hate Pearl. There’s not many people in the middle.
Ayy, nice to see someone bring this up. I honestly don't care for Pearl because she's pretty ugly in my opinion. She's solid in 3-5, but meh overall.
@@torri776 is it because of the forehead?
@@dnxh2245 Precisely. DD and SOJ fixed her face but made her pointless save for DD-DLC. Not a worthy trade, if you ask me.
I fucking love Pearl... She is so cute and innocent. What I dont get is why Phoenix brings her to murder investigations and fucking crime scenes...
I had no idea people hated Pearl until recently. I was shocked lol. I've always found her adorable
First time I heard Godot's theme: "So the prosecutor's a deep, coffee drinking man with a cyborg mask that calls Phoenix unoriginal? And his theme's smooth jazz? This is so insane I love it!"
Second time: "Damn, this guy's cool. How's he so good? What happened?"
Hearing it at the end of Bridge to the Turnabout: *crying my eyes out*
Sure Mia does catch Redd White for you but it calls back to how she told Maya to give Phoenix three years more unless she wanted to be found guilty. I think it makes more sense that rookie attorney Phoenix Wright couldn't catch Redd White a criminal that has judges and attorneys in his pocket. In fact Phoenix needs Mia's help up until Bridge to the Turnabout (which would be three years) and is shown in Apollo Justice to no longer need her assistance.
As much as people like to talk shit about Turnabout Big Top, it's one of the few cases in the trilogy where Phoenix manages to solve it without Mia's assistance. He also managed to solve the majority of Recipe for Turnabout by himself, only needing Mia to coax some information out of an old man.
and honestly after ruining her mothers repuation, blackmailing her mentor, killing her, andframing both her sister and student, Mia more than deserves to get back at Redd White tbh.
@@welchrebooted4739 yes! Mia deserved that win!!
I think Mia returning to finish the job is part of why Turnabout Sister has a very satisfying and rewarding ending.
There's no loose ends or regret.
Mia avenged her mother.
Phoenix avenged Mia and got reunited with Edgeworth.
Maya became Phoenix's valuable partner.
There's no regular feeling of "why did my mentor has to die?" or "There's so many things you could teach or do together with me."
Just a satisfactory that you earned.
1:31 Objection! Turnabout samuri isnt a filler case! It pretty much make Farewell My Turnabout happen.
Agree! It also showed that Gumshoe was more than just a bumbling oaf and that he was actually heroic. I think is more accurate to say that Samurai is a case with a lot of filler rather than a filler case.
turnabout samurai is the original filler case, but that’s not a bad thing. it’s the first case where you have a classic maya and phoenix investigation. since the first game is so self-contained and sets up for the whole series, even the filler case is integral
Objection,that is only because of powers and oldbag even if hammer didn’t die steel samurai would have ended regardless
I always felt justice for all is underrated. It has the worst intro case in the series but it's just short and irrelevant, i don't think it is much worse than 1-1. And in regards of 2-3, i don't think it's as awful as people make it out to be; it's just your regular filler case, but i found it entertaining and actually on par with cases such as 1-3, 3-2 or 3-3 (talking only about the trilogy here). The game benefits from having only 4 cases, and 2-2 is so good, so thrilling, entertaining, well thought, and also one of the most relevant since it is the set-up for T&T, while 2-4 is of course one of the very best.
it has the worst prosecutor between the 3 (if not the worst ever in the series)
It had the BEST intro case, the best second case, the best third case, (which is the best case in the series overall) and the best last case.
@@playerrida6999 Blackquill and Nahyuta would like a word with you
I agree with this whole ranking except from the last 2. I prefer Farewell, my turnabout over Bridge to the turnabout. But other than that, I agree completely :)
Why??
@@zenohd6934 I don't know, I just like the whole idea of the fact that this is the first time somebody you're defending is actually guilty but you can't prove it otherwise Maya is killed. I guess it's the fact that there is a lot of pressure during the trials and Edgeworth comes back. But bridge to the turnabout is a good case. :)
That's a fair opinion; 2-4 was my favorite (holy shit was the end nervewracking and the concept is so godtier, plus Edgeworth is great in it) until I played 3-5. Bridge to the Turnabout is my favorite for three reasons.
1. 3-5 was the only case I played through with relatively no spoilers. I had already watched a playthrough of all the cases besides the last one. Actually playing through it and learning through the twists that way was so much better than just passively watching.
2. It redeemed my opinion of the entire game. So far, there were two meh cases (Phoenix's) and two good, but short cases (Mia's). I wasn't particularly impressed with this game until I played 3-5, which made Mia's cases SO MUCH BETTER in retrospect. It also slightly redeemed 3-2 for me, since that case introduced Godot (who I didn't like much until 3-5, where his arc was resolved).
3. It's such a good ending to the trilogy. It follows up on 2-2's unresolved ending, while also resolving Maya's arc and the unsolved stuff with her (what happened to Misty). Good stuff.
(Plus, Edgeworth is even better here than 2-4. I love playing as him.)
@@rhimcxx I really do love the part where Edgeworth helps you storm Matt Engarde's mansion. It was the first time you felt like Edgeworth was an ally, and not just a grumpy opponent. Plus, seeing him rock the full force of the police department with his boyfriend Phoenix at his side is just fantastic.
I feel The Lost Turnabout would have been a lot better if we got to play as Maya instead; then that stupid amnesia plot wouldn't have been necessary. Just think about it, Phoenix gets knocked out by Wellington for the phone, and Maya finds him unconscious and Phoenix is taken to the hospital or the courthouse's infirmary or something. Maggey arrives to find there's no one to represent her in the trial now and Maya decides to take over. We can have Maggey assist Maya and help her find the culprit who killed Dustin Prince and assaulted Phoenix. Doesn't that sound a lot better than what we got?
Maya would've channeled Mia and let her finish the case...
@@yu_cp8978 Why? That'd be boring.
@@zimonzieclown1633 I mean, your idea doesn't work because Maya would just call her sister, and if she didn't, it would be out of character or a plot hole.
Tbh, I think their is way were 2-1 could work at all. We didn't need another tutorial because the series is supposed to be played in order anyways.
@@yu_cp8978 There's a fan game called Trials After Justice that has you play as Maya in the first case; there Phoenix mentions the possibility of Maya channeling Mia but Maya didn't think of that, so that's what I was going for.
Also, literally EVERY first case of EVERY Ace Attorney game to date has tutorials; they're literally called tutorial cases by most of the fanbase.
Honestly I like the stupid amnesia plot because it allows for some entertaining interactions and dialogue. However, I do agree that this case is pretty bad; it's just a guilty pleasure of mine.
"And also no one taught her what homosexuality was" DRTHUJIK DXCFGHVBJ THIS IS ABOUT "That's why she was attracted to me..." LINE DTRFYGUHKJ
Stolen Turnabout and Recipe for Turnabout are weird cases, especially back to back. The fact that proving DeLite's innocent of larceny then "proves" that he murdered is former boss is a great twist, but having to go back on what you said for almost everything on day 1 trial is annoying. Recipe is similar where you have to go back on what phony Phoenix said and the 2 incidents that happened get jumbled up in your head. Even after replaying the games I still get confused and think "wait, what happened in each day?" If it was just one case it wouldn't be so bad but having both of those cases back to back really make me reflect on them negatively.
One little thing that bugs me about Stolen Turnabout is the sword. What was the real reason it got bent?! We established that Luke Atmey wasn't there the night of the crime, so he couldn't have been bashed by it. So what the hell?!
Also I frankly hated Recipe. The biggest offender is Jean Armstrong. I get that the story was written 20 years ago in a different culture, so it's not like it was the point, but I'm still not super comfortable with the way the character - unintentionally, again I must stress - portrays trans people as mentally deranged and prone to criminal behaviour. And I know the character isn't ACTUALLY trans, they're just very effemenate, but in English the character refers to themselves as a girl a few times and the whole thing makes me really uncomfortable.
@@swishfish8858 I think the sword being bent is the one of the only plot points that goes unsolved in the entirety of the series. The wiki even says so.
Really good video! Only advice would be, a video like this could probably benefit from perhaps being segmented, or just a longer video in general, so you have more time to articulate your thoughts. You've got another sub in me! keep it up
Thanks for the feedback. I'm definitely going to make some more videos delving into specific cases. I'm pretty new to this style of video, so I'll keep what you said in mind!
It's the ace attorney remixer :O
there is something real funny about saying "one of the main conflicts in big top is illegal", in a game where the main conflict is usually related to murder, which is also very illegal
i do agree though that the whole love triangle was extremely gross
And you know what's worse. The "conflict" that he mentioned is actually LEGAL.
Japan age of consent was 16, even 15 in some province. Making it possible AND legit to marry Regina.
I honestly enjoyed Turnabout Big Top, much to my surprise. Sure, the whole case was seriously a stretch and some of the characters were pretty annoying (and creepy), but there was a certain charm to the whole chapter. The Ace Attorney anime also had a lot of Big Top/ circus themes featured in the second opening, and boy is it beautifully animated and magical.
The only things I had major issue with were the love triangle, and the fact that I really struggled with some of the cross examinations. I also liked Acro,
It's nice to see a killer who wasn't denying their deed or going mental after the verdict and admit to his wrongs, but you can't exactly feel bad for the guy. I mean, my guy tried to murder a teenage girl straight away instead of trying to talk things through.
Our rankings are really similar despite that though! You made a lot of really good points for why you put each Turnabiut in its place.
While I absolutely despised that case, I admit Acro was one of the best killers in the game... And that means that the most likeable character was the one who ended convicted :(
"I'm not sure if whipping people in a courtroom is legal"
No shit
My biggest flex is getting the vase correct on my second try, perfectionism
Hum, hum - I decided to make my own list of how fondly I remember each of the cases, and it wound up matching your list pretty closely! I played the trilogy initially like 7+ years ago, never making it past Turnabout Beginnings because I got stuck there. Very recently I did a new playthrough together with my best friend, where we went all the way through and it was a lot of fun!
Tier 1: Incredibly Satisfying
3-5: Bridge to the Turnabout
2-4: Farewell, My Turnabout
1-4: Turnabout Goodbyes
1-5: Rise from the Ashes
Tier 2: Fond Memories
2-2: Reunion, and Turnabout
3-4: Turnabout Beginnings
3-1: Turnabout Memories
1-3: Turnabout Samurai
Tier 3: I Remember Having Fun
1-2: Turnabout Sisters
1-1: The First Turnabout
2-1: The Lost Turnabout
Tier 4: Bad Memories
2-3: Turnabout Big Top
3-3: Recipe for Turnabout
3-2: The Stolen Turnabout
My thoughts mostly match yours on each of the cases as well, I think, with four big exceptions: Turnabout Samurai, and the three I put in Tier 4.
For Turnabout Samurai, I think what puts it higher on my list than yours is that I actually quite like Will Powers, Dee Vasquez, and the Steel Samurai's existence in the setting in general.
Will Powers was a nice guy who deserved a lot more appreciation than he got, and how much he cared about the kid fans really stuck out to me.
Dee Vasquez was the first perpetrator that really felt like she knew what she was doing, and though her personality is a lot more understated than most antagonists in the series, she nonetheless stuck out to me on my second playthrough. The way she would respond to being pressed with these thoroughly unhelpful one-word replies was both funny and made her feel like a pretty darn tough cookie to deal with. Her being spooky and ruthless and yet having a sympathetic backstory and only having done the crime out of self-defense was also a really interesting juxtaposition. (...I'll admit there is some possibility that my realizing I was A: a lesbian and B: a bottom could have contributed to me paying more attention to her...)
And finally, the Steel Samurai as a show just helps the setting feel a bit more alive and lived in. And in-universe pieces of media can be really neat because characters can make references to them in a way that feels relatable to the the players, while not rapidly becoming outdated the way referencing real-life pieces of media would.
And then there's my bottom three: I'll explain why they stuck out mainly badly in my mind.
Turnabout Big Top: I have pretty much no attachment to any of the characters in this case other than being mildly annoyed by a few, so this case was mostly forgettable to me. The love triangle was pretty weird with the ages, but I managed to mostly ignore it. Still, this case is just a thorough "meh" in my memories. I suppose I liked that Maya's interactions with Regina probably bolstered some lesbian/bi Maya headcanons? That's the best I got, really.
Recipe For Turnabout: The main characters that stick out in my memories are Jean Armstrong and Viktor Kudo. That's not a good thing.
I didn't really understand why I felt so deeply uncomfortable with Armstrong on my first playthrough, but that was like 7+ years ago, and by now I understand him as a character that basically just exists as "hey, look at how Gross and Weird the Queers are". I've gotten thicker skin than when I was a teenager, but I'd still rather avoid seeing him on the screen whenever possible. He's really the worst example of the outright rancid "comedy" the games sometimes have.
Viktor Kudo isn't as bad, his "old man wanting attention and to feel relevant" shtick was pretty funny to me, but his maid fetish was pretty... weird sometimes. Did we really have to have Maya and then Mia to dress in a maid uniform just to appease his fetish? The "female character has to flirt with/appeal to gross men they don't like in order to extract information from them" trope isn't really one I'm a fan of.
The Stolen Turnabout: There's a lot of things I like about this case, like Mask DeMasque, Luke Atmey, Ron DeLite, Godot… Unfortunately, none of that takes up as much space in my head as the phrase "Fucking Larry."
The Stolen Turnabout actually halted the playthrough of my friend and I for over a month. We got to Larry in the investigation section, started talking to him, and promptly didn't want to play anymore. Later, whenever we were in the mood to play more Phoenix Wright, we'd boot up the game, look at Larry's shitty borderline-incel dialogue, and promptly didn't want to play anymore. We eventually managed to force ourselves through it, but it took quite a while.
I actually liked Larry before this, but Trials and Tribulations just massively flanderizes him and makes him into... yeah, a shitty borderline-incel. He's not quite a full incel yet, but he's closer to being an incel than he is to being Old Larry.
The Stolen Turnabout, for causing my friend and I to just stop wanting to play the game, and for making us hate a character we'd previously liked, pretty easily hits rock bottom of my "personal enjoyment" tier list. I will say, though, that if Larry had not been present, this case probably would've been somewhere in Tier 2 for me.
Here are the keys to the channel, may as well take my job. Best comment I have ever received hands down. It made me completely halt editing just now. Love your analysis especially on Larry. Makes me regret putting him in "A" tier on my latest video. Long live the Chads and fuck the incels.
@@tbone415 Ha! Well, one could make a reasonable argument that Larry from the first game and Larry from Trials and Tribulations are basically different characters, and I think you could argue first game Larry to be in "A" tier. ;p
I'm glad you appreciated my comment!
Idk i feel like putting a case in bottom tier due to one conversation u had with one character is harsh larry only plays a minor role in that case
@@darkcat6530 Perhaps if I were trying to make a tier list of the quality of each case, that would be so! But this list is purely about how much I personally felt about each case, and how fondly I remember them.
It is a very subjective list, and I can completely understand how 3-2 especially could be among someone else's favorites. 3-2 has a lot of really cool stuff going for it.
Still, everyone has their own likes and dislikes in fiction, and I think most people have at least one thing that they have a much lower tolerance for than average, some trope they really hate. For me, 3-2 was the case that had stuff in it that I personally had a really low tolerance for, and thus I could not enjoy it as much as I would have liked.
I thought i wasn't the only one that had problem with t&t larry. Yeah they did larry so fucking dirty in t&t.
the final cases are objectively the best, but i feel like cheesy fun ones like turnabout samurai and the stolen turnabout are just as important to the soul of ace attorney
Big Top was fine for me. made me cry :( nobody is annoying to me when playing Ace Attorney... somehow.
I like how the anime made big top better
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The bit where cornered from 1st game plays in 3-5 was epic
I really disagree with the turnabout samurai placement. The case was essential to develop edgeworth and they do a good job of it. I mean imagine if the case didn't exist edgeworth development would feel weird and incomplete. Not only that but i really like the calm atmosphere during the investigation phases and i like the defendant a good amount. Obviously the case isn't perfect. The side characters were ok at best the villain exists cuzz we need a villain and the plot is decent i feel like it isn't that bad
Powers is great for sure, love the guy.
I really do hate Turnabout Big Top, for obvious reasons. But honestly, the circus music that plays in the background is really catchy. It's too bad, because I do like the circus, and I think the circus is a great place for an investigation and all. It was just so held back by the unnecessary love triangle involving two men- and a puppet- and a teenage girl. Moe was a decent character- though it takes time to get used to him- and I really liked Acro and his backstory. I did find the case to be a little long for my liking, though, just like with the Steel Samurai case. Definitely my least favorite case.
I'd say my favorite case would be the case with Luke Atmey. I loved the twist in the first trial day: no one was killed, your goal was to find a thief for once, and honestly, Atmey is a great villain. He played everyone for a damn fiddle at first, and that was great. Ron was adorable in his own way, Larry came back, they made references to Oldbag, and best of all, Adrian Andrews returned. The case itself wasn't too long or drawn out, it had just enough twists and difficulty to be fun, yet wasn't so hard that it was a pain to get through, and this was Godot's introduction... and it was done so well.
Also this might be a hot take, but I wish they did more "extra" cases like Rise from the Ashes. I thought it was an excellent way to expand the universe, try some new stuff, use the DS's extra screen, and give us an extra challenge once saving the day in the rest of the cases. I really wish they did this with more games, and if Capcom DOES make more Ace Attorney games, I hope they make a habit of making extra cases in the future. Hell, I'd be out the nose for more DLC if that's what it comes down to!
I actually really like the first turnabout, but yeah, it's simple and baby easy.
It's the perfect intro
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Mostly agree here with the ordering here. One of my faves has got to be Reunion and Turnabout. I found the twist to be really thrilling and one I remember having to actively think about before proceeding on. Glad to see it’s rated high here, as I think it’s pacing is spot on 👍
this was great, have some personal disagreements based on how i experienced certain cases and how much enjoyment i got from them (mainly the steel samurai one, jack hammer was such an interesting victim and that in and of itself is pretty rare for one thing. i ranked it higher on my personal one) but the top 4 are top 4 for a reason. theyre just incredible. i think bridge to the turnabout changed me, lmfao. I was long since even before getting into AA intrigued by Godot, but that case made him my favorite character.
The fact that pretty much every sidekick phoenix has had after mia died was a young girl makes me suspicious of him
There is nothing weird in Phoenix's interactions with Maya and Ema, he sees them as his annoying but endearing younger sisters. There are a bunch of characters in AA that are creepy to young girls, and the game reminds you multiple times that Phoenix is not one of them.
Personally my 2 least favorite cases are Turnabout Sisters and Recipe for a Turnabout, and both for the same reason. The way you catch the villain just never felt satisfying for me. In both cases, you never get to present definitive evidence of the killer. In Sisters, Mia just shows up and kinda Deux-ex Machinas the entire case. And in Recipe, you win because Furio is a dumbass and is easily tricked.
Well, I don't think Furio is a dumb ass, considering that he literally recreated the murder scene in order to have a fake witness.
@@yu_cp8978 Well true, but he got tricked into revealing he knew which bottle had the poison in it simply by Phoenix showing the wrong bottle which made Furio run his mouth.
@@rusticdebris8021 what are you talking about? That was a cool moment, seeing Phoenix bend the rules like that and making a final desperate attempt by outright lying to the witness (which you the player have to choose) makes for a satisfying pay off
@@D14MBK If you like the case that's totally fine, I guess it just didn't feel the same way to me. I don't wanna harsh your vibe if you like the case.
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@@tbone415 ah. I just work with used computers and have tons of license keys lol. Anyways nice work!
Thank you thank you
While I'm not going to really defend the choice to make Samurai three days long, it does make sense to introduce the "trials are three days long at most" thing before Goodbyes rolled around so it didn't blindside players. I don't believe that it was brought up in The First or Sisters, so there's at least a logical reason behind the decision, even if it's fundamentally flawed.
Last Place:
Game 2, Case 1
Game 2, Case 3
Game 1, Case 1
Game 1, Case 3
Game 1, Case 2 (best of the lesser cases)
_Basically 3rd Game outside of the ending_
Game 3, Case 3
Game 3, Case 2
Game 3, Case 1
Game 3, Case 4
_Top 5_
Game 2, Case 2
6:43 Game 1, Case 5
*The 3 Finales*
9:52 Finale Game 1
10:48 Finale Game 2
13:03 Finale Game 3
I swear no matter how many times I watch the finale when phoenix pointed at godot I will always be hyped!!
tbone415: rise from the ashes is the longest case to date
Turnabout Revolutions: Am I a joke to you?
"if I add more words to the script it would become longer"
9:46 “I knew what to do because I watched Slyzer’s videos.” I feel called out
I might come back to this video once I've finished T&T and make my own list
But knowing me I'll probably forget
Make your own video instead!
Every APollo ace attorney trilogy case ranked
Tbh, I think that "farewell, my turnbout" its the best case of the trilogy.
I reallu love the concept of phoenix losing a case to get the real culprit of everything.
Great video, please make more ace attotney content
He is
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@@funnyfacekong5308 ok
@@dnxh2245 רגע אתה גם ישראלי???
Can you explain to me the context as to what you mean "No one explained to her what homosexuality is"?
I've watched the vid several times over and still don't get it.
This is such a weird opinion but I love the stolen turnabout to death, with the top 3 being the same but rise from the ashes in 5th and the stolen turnabout taking fourth. Adrian Andrews returning was great to see, Larry Butz was worse than the first game but still great, and Godot was incredibly introduced. Desiree is pretty average, but where the case truly shines for me is Atmey and Ron DeLite. Loving Atmey is probably less controversial so I will start with that, but Atmey is always funny and him repeating his breakdown twice was hilarious. It was super fun to take him down and his murder plot might have been the most layered and complex in the trilogy. He also has the best name pun and a great theme song. Then we have Ron DeLite, where I’m not quite sure it people love or hate him. His confession immediately was kind of funny and kind of lost its weirdness factor due to rise from the ashes, and the twist that THIS CINNAMON ROLL WAS ACTUALLY MASQUEDEMASQUE WAS INCREDIBLE. I literally never expected that. His gimmic of nobody listening to him and trailing off was also funny, and the end part where he used double jeopardy to escape all his crimes was both hilarious and made me happy because of how cool this man is. Also legendary song and i love Desiree’s description of him saving her.
I have just realized how long this comment is. My number one skill in life is gushing about the stolen turnabout. Luke Atmey has a cool nose. Goodbye.
Edit: bad wording
The case you quoted as being edgeworths first case wasn’t his first it was his second his first case never made it too the court room
When I noticed the activate windows message I laughed so hard
I'll always like Rise From The Ashes but I don't have any problems with your list
Have you played the Edgeworth Investigations games?
Not yet, it's next on my list of games after I play zero escape VLR.
@@tbone415 Investigations 2 is my favourite game of all time
im sad i dont have a ds so i cant play anything except the original trilogy
Now I don't condone piracy or anything you should look into emulation.
yeah i'll probably just either wait or get a ds
Geiru Toneiru is April May 2.0
Samurai being that low is insane.
I don't understand why people give 2-4 so much credit when it lacks quality. Don't get me wrong, JFA and T&T are good, but IMO and I repeat, IN MY OPINION, I feel the original Trilogy [The First Game] gets the win in terms of quality, start, storyline and a great ending. Jesus Christ, 1-4 and 1-5 are even more underrated considering they give realistic concepts here. I would like to reiterate on the first;
A psychopathic view of being a perfectionist, seeking revenge against your rival, killing him, training his son, only to completely damn his life by prosecuting the case of which he is accused of, well-knowing that he will get the death penalty. A truly cunning, criminal mastermind with one of the most villainous characteristics. Not to mention, his tactics and strategies make him the best prosecutor. Manfred von Karma was top-notch, I would even consider him the best antagonist in the entire series. We couldn't get a single edge over him throughout the entirety of the trial except the ending where Phoenix literally carried out a bluff which LUCKILY worked beautifully for him. 1-4 also had a really well-written connection case, being the DL-6 incident, and of course, Edgeworth's backstory for the matter. What I want to convey is the negativity, the buildup of corruption in humanity, and the evils living in Society right now. People who develop hatred and will go to any length to carry out even murder, to get rid of any inconveniences. Realistically speaking, it's the most understandable motive yet people find it boring. Most common, in fact.
Coming to RFTA, it seriously had one of the best antagonists in the entire franchise. Damon Gant, someone working in the police force, right at the top, being the head of the department, turning out to be a perpetrator and the true murderer of the case, not to mention, he carried out a most perfect plan during Joe Darke's final attempt to kill, using the opportunity present to him to gain something which is VERY realistic for human beings as well: Power. Authority.
Another beautiful way to portray corruption, what self-conceited ambitions may lead you to, unless you are following the correct path. Gant blackmailed a person, using their family and the horror of losing those precious individuals, to threaten that very person in doing whatever he orders. He forged evidence, concealed evidence and even handed the former to a prosecutor enabling him to use it as dirt against him once the public finds out. Not to mention, a very intelligent move to use the concealed evidence as insurance to display Ema as the supposed culprit to escape punishment.
And let's not even talk about the investigation as well as the mechanics. Those who have come this far reading this essay, thank you and have a nice day. Also please remember that these are my personal opinions.
I don't realize how so many people prefer 2-4 to RFTA. RFTA was amazing, even the most minor of characters (ex. Angel Starr) were likable. I loved the parallels and contrast between the Fey and Skye sisters; it was a key moment of character development for Edgeworth (in the following games he becomes less cut-throat and we no longer see him acting sketchy in the courtroom just to win a trial); jar fuckery aside, every part of Gant's plan and of the investigation made perfect sense; and finally, the new investigation mechanics were very fun, I expected them to be added in the following games as well.
Yo I like the vid but you said Rise from the Ashes was the series’ longest case. It is actually Turnabout Revolution from Spirit of Justice.
Well, this video is referencing the trilogy only. He probably was just talking about within the trilogy and not the other games after
@@pontiffgoblin3200 I gotcha.
@Samoht Still Lives!!! I know.
Rise from the ashes is my favorite
That legendary Jake Marshall background theme
Very similar to my personal list although I'd probably move reunion down a spot or two and I would put big top above samurai. While less important for the plot I do think the comedy is pretty good. Phoenix fighting a monkey, trying to tell a joke and getting zero reaction, von karma having a tracking device on gumshoe, etc were all very funny and I think put it above samurai. Ben is still probably the worst character in this entire series by a significant margin though. Like damn he's creepy.
Like the only all star who didn't play a part in the last trial was Manfred von Karma but at the same time his actions led to a lot of what happened in the last trial. So take that as you will.
While I agree that RFTA was so darn long, in the end, I think it’s all worth it. Though the vase puzzle does take a while
Wait a damn minute... you’re using a VM to play this aren’t you? HA! It seems I’m not alone.
i was introducing my friend to AA, starting from the very beginning. it was fun and we were voice acting and when she had to leave i saved it for her BUT. at the time i was playing rise from the ashes and i was a bit more than halfway through. and i made the mistake of saving her game on my file and i had to start FROM THE BEGINNING
Correction RFTA is actually far from the longest case in the series and it’s actually not that much longer than Bridge. RFTA is below the top 5 in case length.
Not even gonna lie,I downloaded this game for the sake of yelling objection when I successfully present evidence.
This was a great video! I'd love to see you make more AA content in the future :)
Is big top really that hated? I thought it was interesting, specially Acro.
Rise from the ashes is probably my favorite tho.
Do you have a problem with Maggey Byrde?
i watched Slyzers videos to complete rise from the ashes too
Why do so many people hate turnabout big top? I liked it!
Summed up? Poor logic, despicable characters, that one really annoying song, a “sympathetic” villain whose sympathetic motive immediately crumbles under scrutiny.
I mean i like it too but most of the characters are annoying to be honest. And poor logic annoyed alot people especially during gameplay. And it wasnt good until Acro stood on witness stand
I don't think it has to do anything with logic as the majority of Ace Attorney cases do have large leaps of logic with them. This case literally has no difference when it comes to the rest base around the logic I think the problem is that the other cases help you guide through the case that way the crazy logic starts to make sense to the player. This case doesn't. It expects you to come up with these crazy conclusions that the average player would not come to. The moment when apparently the coat the ringmaster wore landed perfectly on the statue when he got hit in the head which is why Moe believed the statue to be Max was when I was already done and it didn't get better after that. After I finished the case it was the first time I took a break from the game as I thought I needed one after all that. I am happy that about 2 weeks later I came back to a much better case.
I enjoyed it too! The plot was kind of weird but still fun.
I liked a lot of the cases, but there are some nitpicks I have with some.
- I can't understand why people didn't like Big Top. I only found Ben a little annoying but the larger penalty for pressing unnecessary statements was interesting, unlike
- how in ini miney's case I was forced to press pointless statements to push the game into a scripted event. That really annoyed me but I like the premise of the case.
- Recipe for turnabout started interesting but the second Furio showed up I was so offput. You're telling me that he's the one that somehow fooled the courts and the defendant maggie into thinking he was Phoenix?? And Maggie didn't realize that her lawyer was the same person she saw sitting at the table of the same crime scene??
- I know Luke Atmey's name is literally look at me, but being so overconfident with nothing to show for it started to annoy me
- I thought the stakes raised so fast in episode 2 that Redd White had to come back, but he just doesn't. it is cool that the whole case is based off of the watergate scandal though
RFTA is not the longest ace attorney case. That honour goes to turnabout revolution.
Revolution is two parts. Put them together and RTFA still isn't far behind.
@@tbone415 if roughly 4 hours shorter is ‘not too far behind’ then ok.
@@tbone415 Revolution is at least 12 hours. More, if it's your first playthrough. RFTA is about 7.5 hours. Besides, TGAA's final case (The Adventure of the Unspeakable Story) is 10 hours, and multiple TGAA cases are 8 hours or so.
"bridge to the turnabout" is the best case!
Diego Armando (Godot) is my favourite character, his story is very sad.
Dahlia is the best villain!
Agree, Dahlia is the only culprit who made me genuinely angry at the game lmao
@@uselessalpaca6777 No, it's Frank Sahwit!
Is it weird that I like Turnabout Goodbyes more than Farewell My Turnabout?
you mentioned that vase mechanic but not the goddamn surveillance video??
There is no one I hate more than Richard Wellington, both IRL and in the canon of the games.
I don't quite agree with the inconsistency in how you rank Turnabout Sisters vs how you rank Reunion, and Turnabout.
Both introduce characters and establish AA storylines, but Reunion, and Turnabout makes top 5 while Turnabout Sisters is dragged through the mud for doing the same thing. Otherwise, mostly good list friend. Have a like.
It's been forever since I made this video but I'll explain it a bit more to you. Sisters to me does a great job at establishing the main cast, but it still isn't all that great of a case. It's relatively easy as you'd expect what was supposed to be the first case to be. The fact that Mia literally hands you the evidence to win the case has always left a sour taste in my mouth about it as well. Reunion, I'd say is a better mystery. It's definitely more challenging and in a good way. It set's up Bridge to the Turnabout, and having a connection to that case is never a bad thing.
Both get bonus points for not forcibly stretching it to three days like some of the other cases in the series.
@@tbone415 Yeah the forcing trials to three days thing was at its worst with turnabout samurai, godawful pacing.
Good video btw, and thanks for the reply :)
My fav character is never mind
Love your videos, keep it up!
Thanks!
Disappointed case for me is Turnabout Big Top. I really wanted to like it, but the lion tamer has to be the most clueless person ever.
Surprising case for me (even though it was one of the easiest) is Recipe for Turnabout. It was a good twist at the beginning where you see 'Phoenix' lose and him not even knowing that he lost. Plus I am also a sucker for anything mob related, so theres that...
3-3 > 3-2, I know you said that you could cut case 3 and lose nothing, but you could also cut case 2, after all, then his intro would be in Recipe for Turnabout instead and the plot is much more intriguing, and also I just don't care that much for case 2. Though I will admit, I can look past Payne bc he's an idiot and I'll even look past the judge, he's old and his eyesight probably could use some work, BUT REALLY MAGGEY, the fact she couldn't tell someone who is SO OBVIOUSLY not Phoenix was defending her. Like I know she's only met him once, but still. I think it would've been better had he looked closer to Phoenix.
Imo stolen turnabout and reunion should be much higher but good list dawg.
God I hate Big Top. That clown drove me absolutely insane.
I’m glad edgeworth was the prosecutor because we would have lost to Von karma in farewell my turnabout didn’t edgeworth destroy Von karma in trials and Tribulations and that was his first time being a defence attorney I also think edgeworth is a much better prosecutor than her even though fran has a better record
Matt Engarde dies either way, I would have taken my chances fleeing the country
Thoughts on Ace Attorney Chronicles?
I think all of these trials have a conflict that's illegal
I think it's pronounced Eeni Miney, like eeni meenie miney moe. It's not a great pun name imo
I guess that means Mimi's name is pronounced more like Mime-ee to fit the rhyme. Yeah, that pun really didn't work.
damn bro rated three cases out of fourteen cases in under one minute, yet the videos is 15 minutes
6:04 actually no it's not "in-ee min-ee", it's
"Een-ee mine-ee"
You've never heard of the phrase "eeny meeny miny Moe catch a tiger by it's toe"?
I know.
The final case of ace attorney is basically endgame but done better
Isn't Ini/Mimi Miney pronounced like the "eenie meenie miney mo" rhyme?
Yeah
@@tbone415 I thought you said Ini as in the word "in", and the letter E.
@@Tearnalte I did
7:12
Sad Gumshoe Noises
BRO. YOU LIKE RECIPE FOR TURNABOUT THE CHARACTERS ARE SO ANNOYING AND ARE JUST LYING TO US.
@Conor Mulhall but, like it's so they aren't suspected of the crime or so they weren't exposed for something else these ones just lie to you because they are under the thumb of A F**KING TIGER MAN.
I didnt like the ini miney case because i felt it was almost to easy to guess that she was pretending to be her sister(i liked that her motive was unexpected) the surprise twist wasnt enough to counteract how bored i was with this case untill the ending. Much prefered samurai i think i just enjoyed the first game alot and this case was good filler that acted like world building for me.
The only saving grace Big Top had was Moe. Moe is the best character in ace attorney hands down.
nope. serenade is worse than big top and i will fight atop this hill til i die. The way they make you feel bad for Acro more than anything.
Rise from the Ashes was great but waaaaaaay too dragged on.
Big top was my second favourite case in jfa my first being the final case my third being case 2
Your pronunciation of ini and mini miney annoyed me, because they’re meant to be a play on “ini mini miney moe” I’m pretty sure
15:32 I’m pretty sure you know this, but that isn’t the end of the series, is the end of the first trilogy. There are more additions to the Ace Attorney franchise. This is the reason why commentary and animator TH-cam use a script. If you didn’t use a script, I recommend you use one. That is if you have the free time to make one. It makes commentary so much easier. Doing it on Google docs is pretty easy. It’s like school but it’s not that boring.
I do use scripts actually. The script for this specific video was 6 pages long.
@@tbone415 no way you remembered your TH-cam password
I’m pretty sure he knows that concerning his first video was of Apollo justice
The way you say godot makes me upset
Fight me.
Nah for real I just say what comes off the tongue. Go-doh or Gah-doh whatever who cares.
Did you not play phoenix wrightspirit of justice or are you just talking about the trilogy when you say series? Turnabout revolution is like 15 hours long, in fact, many of the cases in spirit of justice are the same length if not longer than rise from the ashes
that is not true
@Samoht Still Lives!!! it took me 12 hours but those 12 hours were pure torture
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7:36-7:39 Wait, what?
Oh haha. It's a joke. When you first meet Lana in the detention center she mentions that Mia was strong, which is "probably why she was attracted to me". Ema then immediately responds with "Intellectually attracted! Lana was top of her class at law school!".
@@tbone415 Well that answers my only question in this video.