I feel like that look was perfectly made. It matches the poorly made feel of the blue badger and actually serves the game a real purpose beyond looking like Gumshoe made it.
The thing I loved the most on this case was the absence of Mia, it's the thing that I hated the most throughout the trilogy and having a giant case without a cheap solution like Mia magically appearing and saving the day felt so good and satisfactory. But yeah, going into JFA afterwards and not having a case like this or any reference of the characters from it for the rest of the trilogy felt really disappointing as a new player.
> as a new player I mean, as a new player myself with the Switch release, I at least knew these were GBA games first, and got a bunch of rereleases. So when we get to the end of the game, it says "BONUS CASE" and it's full of DS mechanics, it was pretty obvious this case was added after the fact and that the sequels would have none of this.
I mean we do see Blue Badger references all over the other two games in the trilogy. Obviously those references were made before 1-5 was even conceived, but it kinda helps the case fit in with the rest for me
I love how in this case Edgeworth never seems to be antagonistic towards Phoenix and instead just wants to find the true culprit just as much as he does showing how much he's changed.
It seemed to me more that Edgeworth is sick of the case and just wants to be done with it so that it never bothers him again, as evidenced by the "You want a minute? I'll give you three." line. At first I thought this was the case because he found the case tedious (though this is my projection more than anything), but on second thought, I think that Edgeworth had the feeling that the evidence was forged and the guilt was eating him from the inside. He wanted to face the truth rather than hide from it.
@@TallTapper really? jfa edgeworth seemed a lot more sure of himself, rfta edgeworth felt very much so on the brink of falling apart. he didn't really feel truth-seeking, rather he was repentative and guilty, HENCE he sought the truth and the truth only. which i think actually helped his character in the long-run, it honestly made the transition from his initial characterization a lot smoother.
Rise of the Ashes is one of if not the best cases when taken as a stand-alone. It’s still top tier to me by any categorization, but the fact that it’s technically a filler case while having all the emotional weight of a concluding case for a game is just incredible to me. I also personally love how long it is. I am sometimes sad at how short some of the ace attorney cases are, and this is one of the few cases that truly feels like you get down to the wire as it takes the full three days to resolve, which is doubled down on the fact that the SL9 incident was about to be permanently closed due to the evidence transferal. Damon Gant is one of the greatest villains in the whole franchise and all the side characters are not only enjoyable but most are also deeply layered in a way that most side characters in the franchise usually aren’t. Overall I love this case and it’s clearly a top 5 case in the franchise to me.
Rise from the Ashes was the best case for me. The plot and mystery really had me hooked. All the characters were memorable. Ema, Lana, Gant, Angel Starr, Jake Marshall (ok except Meekins, I hate him and I hate how he's the only character other than Ema to return to the series). And I also loved the "SL-9 Incident" soundtrack. Perfect for this case, where it was all over for everyone already.
I'm extremely sad that Jake Marshall and his banger theme didn't come back :( It's especially weird because with many other characters they frequently use the "joke" possibilities of their themes or characteristics as much as they can (e. g. Grossberg's hemorrhoids or Bikini's back problems), and they had a great occasion to do that with the return of Jake and his cowboy theme. But they just... didn't give him a return, which to me is just so unlike them :T
I was watching the blue badger video thinking how to figure out it might not be Goodman. And I thought, maybe I'm missing a detail elsewhere, looking at the locker in the court record, I realized the single clue I was missing. It was a swell 2nd trial day from there.
This is one of the real room-splitter cases to the point where I have seen it argued as either bad or as a favorite. A lot of it to me comes down to not minding the length, liking the Skye sisters as individuals, finding Gant an intimidating and worthwhile challenge in spite of his easily identifiable role in the grand scheme, and brushing aside the retcon with Edgeworth's retirement. I really like this case even though I know it's got some flaws throughout. It has heart and ambition and made use of the system it was on to create something similar to the DLC cases in games much later.
I don't know why do you desribe RTFA's difficulty as a bad thing, it's exactly the reason i love this case so much. So many evidences, so many vital witnesses involved, and just the way the murder was done makes it the most interesting experience i had with Ace Attorney series.
RFTA is excellent... in Japan. In America, it's only okay. Now I know what you're thinking, "what are you TALKING about? They're the same game!" Quite. But the context is different. In Japan, RFTA is a special-edition bonus case. It's a prequel case for people who have already beaten the trilogy to sweeten the deal on rebuying a game they already own. Thus, it's the hardest game in the series so that it offers a meaty challenge to fans, it exposes neat lore stuff that those fans might enjoy, and it also gives them a sneak peak at the new mechnics and characters (well, character) who will feature in the shiny new Ace Attorney game currently in development. In that context it's amazing. In America... it's a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere, it's long, it's weirdly placed, and probably turned a lot of players off.
>a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere It was placed at the very end of the game, if people expect the ending of a game to be easy then they shouldn't play games in the first place. You're acting like this was thrown into the story in the middle of the tutorial or something...
Still my favourite case in the canon, for three reasons: - The creepy atmosphere, particularly caused by the fact that you are partly investigating an old serial killer case. Even the name "DL-6 incident" sounds creepy. - The overwhelming feeling from early on that you were uncovering an enormous conspiracy, and you didn't know what it was, who was friend and who was foe (or sometimes, who was both) - Less of the supernatural. I am actually not bothered by this aspect in the series, but in this particular case the absence of it was perfectly appropriate.
TBF I never really questioned Phoenix becoming way smarter all of sudden, given that I kinda just thought that was his "thing" you know. Like one second Phoenix is unraveling a 15 year old case that no one else could crack and the next he's struggling to remember which way his pants go on in the morning.
I feel like this was one of the more f*cked up cases. The meekins video was straight up eerie and creepy and having to look closely at bloody fingerprints made me uneasy. Not to mention the B plot of this case is all about the corrupt and unjust ways prosecutors put people in prison. There were people who lose their jobs, family and free will because of the old case that was completely based on fake evidence. Also the villain is kinda messed up. Grant was really intimidating to me, just his natural sprite staring into my soul as the music fades out made me know how powerful this man was. He was a lovely man at first and I enjoyed his nicknames and funny quips a lot. But he activated my flight or fight reflex every time I felt like we made him mad or said something we shouldn’t have. The way he killed Neil Marshell freaked me out. We were lead to believe that no matter how you look at it, Neil was killed in some way during the fight with Joe Dark, we just don’t know who killed him or how he died. But then it turns out that he WASNT killed during the fight and was just unconscious when Grant found him. So Grant PICKED UP AN ALIVE MAN AND SKEWERED HIM ON A SPEAR. The case was just kinda more f*cked up in some places and more serious I think.
Honestly, I absolutely loved this case and my only real complaint with it was the sheer length and sometimes the feeling of dragging on after itself. However, I honestly loved the plot, as well as how Phoenix does this mostly under his own merit with some help from Edgeworth-there are no spiritual tricks or Mia coming from the dead to save him; he and Edgeworth trap Gant by themselves. I honestly loved Damon Gant as a villain, too. I know the whole thing with spirituality has significant and appropriate meaning in Japanese culture, but it was a really big turn-off for me from the future games as a western player.
In my opinion it's important consider this case separate from the rest of the first Ace Attorney. It's so different in tone and in characters. It's a lot darker and I actually appreciated it. I don't think it's one of the best, but I think it's a very memorable case and is definitely somewhere in the upper middle of case rankings.
I loved this case, and especially the cast. I feel it adds more context to Edgeworth’s arc in JFA, and the Skye sisters are some of my favourite characters conceptually in the original trilogy. Gant manages to feel on par with Von Karma in terms of threat, and the final trial moments versus him is the pinnacle of AA1 imo. It certainly has problems, such as the length (the speedrun for RFTA is the same length as 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 and 1-4 combined) but the cast and brilliant twists more than make up for it for me.
My #1 issue with this case is its length. I LITERALLY called it a marathon right after I finished it. While the intro looks cool it's not REALLY accurate to the actual crime. That being said I do agree that this game helps justify Edgeworth's actions between AA1 & AA2. On a side note: still can't believe Edgeworth was never formally accused of murder. Or that Mike Meekins was accused at all after looking at that video tape. Oh, and if Ema wasn't so likable I would have loathed defending Lana at all. It doesn't help that Phoenix doesn't even WANT to take the case until Ema BEGS him. Other odd points: 1) Evidence Law MATTERS all of a sudden. 2) Perjury is actually mentioned (I don't remember it coming up in any other case in the trilogy). 3) Phoenix gets fired as Lana's Attorney (but it's ignored?). 4) Gumshoe gets fired by Gant (but it's ignored?). 5) This case almost feels TOO self contained to the point of feeling seperate from not only AA1, but the entire trilogy. PS- I love the Blue Badger and his themesong. :)
1) - The evidence law book given actually doesn't contradict a single presentation of evidence in the trilogy (Fun fact, it actually does prevent the presentation of the last piece of evidence in Apollo justice's last case!) 2) It isn't, but it's definitely good that it is, and it's a trend that gradually improved in Takumi's games to the point where in Tgaa almost every single case of blatent perjury (At least, for the first time per witness) is admonished directly by the judge. 3) - Edgeworth immediately objects to Lana's statement and basically says "That's horseshit someone is clearly manipulating you" 4) - Gumshoe presumably is still fired during day 3, and is re-hired after Gant is proven to be the mastermind and stripped of his power.
5. yeah that was pretty much the plan, it was never a part of the storyline until the DS release, pretty much its only purpose is to introduce ema and introduce the new evidence examining mechanics
one more weird thing for me is that, didn't Gant revoke his right to make statements by refusing to testify but then proceeded to give statements anyway
I recently finished the AA trilogy on Switch and for the most part the cases kept on getting better with ever case I did but Rise of the Ashes felt off imo. I don't really know how to describe it but I just wasn't a fan of cases story till the last quarter of it. Length is a factor in it but imo this is the first AA trial where I had more fun investigating for evidence then the court segment as I found myself using a guide to get through most the trial something I didn't want to do while playing these games.
Same, it was the only case in the entire trilogy where I had to use a guide for the court segments because I was so completely lost at some points that I didn't even know what I was supposed to be proving anymore. It was really frustrating having to do that bc I felt like an idiot, but it got to the point where I just wanted the whole thing to be over. I also feel like the pacing of the whole thing was really off. Guess it didn't help that it came just after Turnabout Goodbyes which felt like the perfect ending to the first game.
I wouldn’t call it my favorite case in the series (that goes to 2-4 easily), but I enjoyed it more than certain other cases **cough cough turnabout big top cough cough**
@@МанфредФонКарма It's actually really decent. Case 2-1 is by far the worst. One does not simply break his neck and "have time to write down a name". That's f**** stupid.
From a narrative perspective? It's great, and a really fun ride seeing Gant's case slowly crumble over the course of the story (even if his theme was a clear red flag). Gameplay-wise, though, it went on for far too long and definitely could've been a 2-parter or something.
I think Rise from the Ashes has one of the best stories out of all the Ace Attorney cases. Playing it, though? It's rough. It lasts too long, some of the puzzles require gargantuan leaps in logic, or just don't mentally prepare you for what's to come. Story-wise: It's great Gameplay-wise: It could be a lot better.
Gant was probably the most satisfying villain to break down. Yeah couple of the mini games were Bad and Meeks with his megaphone screeching was annoying, but I really enjoyed this case. The stakes were abnormally high. It wasn’t just one killer getting away and one person being wrongly convicted. This was a corrupt police chief. If Felt very good to take him down.
It was an acceptable case that definitely overstayed its welcome, had hit-or-miss characters, but it introduced Ema Skye who is best girl in the Apollo Justice era. 11/10
Gants honestly this guy gives off the most impressive vibe in the entirety of the ace attorney series. You can feels so overwhelm with him and his abuse of power is something that I find very impressive as much as his design is. His design is sooooo threatening even if you dont know how he is involve you can tell for sure he got a key role. You can get that vibe from other characters but Gants he stands out among the crowd to the point it kind of scary you can easily be like yep this guy the killer for sure idk what happen but he got the presence of the world on his shoulder that is beggin to be used
Its a bit too long winded, Angel Starr is one of the worst people when it came to testifying in the franchise, and the jar puzzle sucked, but besides that it was pretty good, and Gant is definitely one of the most iconic AA villains, which is weird because Redd White supposedly had him wrapped around his finger.
i agree that edgeworth leaving the prosecutor's office because of this case is way better than because of turnabout goodbyes, but it sucks that the aa trilogy didn't capitalize on this in any rereleases. like jfa still goes on pretending rfta never happened in the aa trilogy releases. the case itself was insanely long and it felt like after every day you get more and more evidence you only use one time. holding on to that screwdriver for three days was testament to that. also i think i might just be lucky or something but i first tried the badger-vase thing both on ds and on the hd trilogy, so it wasn't that bad for me. the evidence room video section still sucks though. however, the case was also very interesting and exhilarating at points though. landing the finishing blows with edgeworth at the end were amazing, and the killer's breakdown was incredible. gant's "damage" sprite is still one of my favorites in the entire series spoilers for gaac: the parallels between this case and 2-5 were incredible, i'm glad it got a better spiritual successor in this case in terms of pacing and fun (and no bullshit sections like the vase and video)
To me the bads in this case pale in comparison to the goods. I liked the new forensic tools and the 3D stuff a lot (except that fucking vase). Watching the security camera footage and trying to find clues was so cool, it made me feel like a detective going frame by frame (although I agree on the music being annoying part). Also figuring shit out without a guide was SOOOO satisfying, holy shit, especially the final piece of evidence showing that Ema was innocent. Also Gant is so intimidating, my god. One of the best villains in the series, period. The twists were fantastic too, thinking that Ema of all people killed a dude, even on accident, was so bitter. And Edgeworth and Phoenix teaming up to bring Gant down was awesome. 9/10 would play again. I just wished there was a "Story Mode" like in the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles to fast forward the slower parts.
If I look at it in a vacuum, RftA is my favorite case in the entire series. I think it's amazing. However, I can agree that it's out of place being pushed as the grand finale of AA1. IIRC, in Japan it was released as a side-story, rather than just a part of the first game, and I think it works better there.
I'm so glad you explained that about this not being from the original game, having just played the trilogy for the first time on the Switch I thought it was really wierd how it had forensics and videos where later games and previous cases didn't. That makes me look at it completely different
I think it's the best case they have ever made. I was replaying it again along with my wife was playing it for the first time. I have played to this case about three or four times at that point. Despite all of that, it still had me feeling like it was a brand new case
It says a lot when you literally get so bored of a case within the first day in an ace attorney game, that you dont even want to finish it. The only reason I ever want to finish it is bc the characters. They were so entertaining in a case that would make me wanna play the other 2 games instead bc they aren't this case.
Funny story, when I began this case, I didn’t get through “Day 1 - Investiagtion” because I got bored and after coming back, this was a great case. I’m glad they added this.
I feel so mixed about Rise from ashes and a lot of my problems really comes down to this: This case really should been after Trails and tribulations. Both Phoenix and Edgeworth characterizations feels like it was straight out of T&T as you said. And I really didn't like that Edgeworth turned out to not have partaken in forgery, I feel like it kind of undermines his character development of going from a corrupt lawyer to a guy who will strive to find the truth as fair as possible. It would've made more sense that Phoenix stopped taking cases for a bit just rest up and reflect after bridge to turnabout and would also very easily explain Maya and Pearl absence as they'd do the same. And of course, the length and the gimmicks that overstate their welcome is a huge factor in my problems with this case. And there is a lot of other problems I have that will be basically a huge essay. But man I can ignore those problems when it pays off with Phoenix and Miles teaming up to taking down Gant. That's one of the series biggest highlight and line of Edgey saying to Gant "Just sit there and feel the noose tighten around your neck!" is one of the most awesome lines in video games ever.
As someone who only played the first game and half of the second, I think Rise From the Ashes is the best case of the entire game. Phoenix is amazing in this case. Despite his triumph against von Karma, the guy found himself without a purpose. Maya is far away, Edgeworth is doing his own thing, so he's basically with no one there. No one he cares to help. That is until Ema showed up, and he kinda rediscovered his reason the become a defense attorney: help people who are suffering injustice. I personaly liked the investigation system that Ema introduced. I really like examining stuff and getting new comments about what I find. I also like how smart Phoenix is in this trial. He's not a rookie anymore. He has beaten someone who was considered a god of prosecution in 2 different cases and gets him arrested in one of the worst scandals of the country, and he acts as the badass lawyer he had to be to pull all of this off. I think this was the most important episode for the character of Phoenix Wright, as he find his purpose once more and wins the trial without depending on one of Mia's channelings. He is a pro on his own and it's great to see him being treated as such.
Kinda late, but I definitely agree with all the points you brought there. Another thing I would like to mention (maybe just a small nitpick of mine) are the testimonies, especially Angel's. God, I fucking hated the part where I needed to cross-examine her, because her testimony was full of holes. I know she was lying, I just couldn't prove it for some reason. Definitely the most frustrating testimony in the original trilogy, if you ask me.
My first exposure to the Ace Attorney franchise was this game on the DS around a decade ago. The cases prior to this one were all great, but the gameplay was getting a bit stale by the end. Then suddenly we get a new case with new gameplay elements including forensics. It surprised me and got me hooked on the rest of the Ace Attorney games. I still look back on it as one of my favourite cases in the franchise. I could imagine it being long and tedious on repeat playthroughs, though. Despite some crazy moments, the first game is by far the most grounded in reality. I love the rest of the trilogy, as well as Apollo Justice and parts of the Investigations games, but the first game will always be the one I look back most fondly upon.
I somewhat enjoyed this case, but it seemed way too long to me, and i also had to use a guide several times. The game expected me to present the same vase over and over, and i was honestly a little frustrated because a case of this length was way too much for my pea brain i guess. But i still liked the story a lot and found Damon brilliant, both because of his somewhat friendly and charismatic tone in court but also because of his plan. But i personally prefer aa2s last case because again, its not as long as RFTA. Not sure about aa3s yet, as i just recently started case 5, but i am hopeful it will be pretty good.
I have mixed opinions on this case, right now I look back on it and think ‘that was really good’ but when I was actually playing it I was confused and felt like it was dragging on forever I was confused for a couple reasons; first being the completely new cast second being the fact that the story was isolated from the rest of the cases in the game despite it being labelled as case 5 Third was The slightly different style (more mysterious intro, new game mechanics like fingerprinting) And when I say confused I mean really freaking confused to the point of thinking my game was a dodgy copy or something But anyways I searched up the case, found out some info and got up a walkthrough (cause i’m dumb and get stuck a lot) I did like investigating edgeworth’s office though: the gifts from Wendy and the chessboard being set up as the red knights with ‘edges’ surrounding the blue spiked haired pawn made me laugh In conclusion I think the case was good but could have been made better by being presented as a completely isolated bonus case
I really enjoyed it mainly because I'm too poor to afford the game myself so I watched RTgames play it. Not only was it fun to figure out a puzzles along with someone else, he does a great job with the voices. But besides that the case itself is such an interesting one. The characters have so much depth and personality. It's set up in such a unique way. I want to give this case more praise but I just can't think of the words to express it properly.
I played through this case recently and loved it, I almost cried when Ema hugged Lana after all that they've been through But it does have some downfalls which you mentioned. Cross-examining Angel a million times. 2000 pieces of evidence. The video, and of course... THE FUCKING JAR
I used to complain about how long the case was years ago. However, I don't see it as too much of an issue anymore since recent AA games have cases that are almost just as long as RFA, if not longer. Plus, GAC has made me love RFA even more than I already did. Alot of things in that game reminds me of stuff from this case.
Seeing some parallels to this case (and an aspect of 1-4) referenced in The Resolve Of Ryunosuke Naruhodo, the final case tin TGAA Chronicles, was really interesting to me, and I would like to discuss it a bit while I'm here. SPOILER WARNING If you're curious but don't want to be spoiled I do recommend that you play the game yourself, so enjoy some filler text before I get to the point. Well here's what I was noticing: The office of the Prosecution is viewed from an angle suspiciously akin to the major office in this case, even arranged in that 3-screens-wide manner in a way I thought of as a subtle homage to RftA. The Prosecutor himself is a returning friend of the defense attorney, and the defendant is the game's initial prosecutor. The case has a murder seemingly happening at two different locations, this time a boat and a run-down lodging. The victim is also a detective. You have to take down the most powerful person by the end of it all. Someone who has been a manipulator throughout the game. The serial killer Joe Darke and the older Marshall brother could be seen as similar roles to Barok's older brother Klint and the father of Kazuma Asogi, Genshin. A past incident usually has a bearing on any AA game's finale. I hope I'm not reaching; I genuinely enjoyed the homage, and it threw in plenty of its own unique twists too like the Boone one. I had a lot of fun playing it recently.
Also, the reason the murder took place in 'two different places' confusion was all because of the Detective's ID yet again down to the reason how the detective ID was there matching up. (being vague for spoilery reasons, but if you know, YOU KNOW)
For me (as of playing through 2-3) it's about tied w/ 1-4 (despite the cutscene spam) because I love the characterization, particularly the arc between ema and lana as well as phoenix and edgeworth's bromance, along with being packed full of the best courtroom drama style plot I enjoy in the series
It's terribly long, but so good! Specially character wise. Damon Gant was easily one of the best villains, Jake Marshall was my man, and they had banger songs.
It's a weird case, full of top notch elements like Emma as a sidekick, Lana as a defendant, Gant as a villain, or having so much interaction with Edgeworth outside court, paired with godawful things like having to fix a broken jar or the infernal music of the Blue Badger. I think that Phoenix being so confident even without Mia's help could be chalked to Edgeworth deciding to be an absolute bro during this case. I don't think he ever helped you that much even against Matt Engarde, here he was almost finishing your phrases (granted, it took until the third day, the second day he was still up to usual Edgeworth shenanigans, but the way he used your own plan against you made him seem incredibly cool, when he finally switched gears and decided to help you it seemed almost like cheating) A little detail that I liked is that Gumshoe was purposefully left out of the investigations because he was so personally loyal to Edgeworth and the police was trying to screw him, ngl at the beggining I thought that Marshal and Angel Starr were conspiring against both Lana, Goodman and Edgeworth as revenge for losing their jobs. It felt a bit like this case was aping too much from 1-4, a prosecutor who insisted on their guilt and rejected Phoenix as an attorney is the defendant, a murder is getting pinned on a child that had a traumatizing moment in darkness, a powerful figure moving the strings to accuse said child for personal reasons, everything goes bad for Edgeworth and he has to change his mentality...
Okay so I actually like this case but it's so. Goddamn. Long. My only other gripes are the Meekins video and that STUPID GODDAMN JAR, I HATE IT, do you KNOW how many times I had to try that thing? You have to get it pixel-frickfrackfrackalacking-PERFECT. That section made me feel pain like nothing I've ever experienced.
I just finished this case for the first time on the remastered trilogy, you should note that I've never played this series before, and dear god this case was not satisfying to complete at ALL. When I finished turnabout goodbyes right before this case I was absolutely hooked, and I loved how everything in that case connected together absolutely perfectly like Edgeworth realising himself that von karma was the screamer from his dreams and how Larry gives back the money that he had stolen all those years ago. Now, in this case? You barely see any of those characters again, and you take on a case that feels like an anomaly compared to the other ones, because up until this case you've taken cases only for people you actually care about and have an emotional connection to like your childhood friends and your partners favourite actor, but in this case you defend a prosecutor that you've quite literally never heard of before? And all you because they remind you of your late partner and her younger sister? What type of bullshit is that? When I finished Edgeworth's case I felt like I was accomplishing what Phoniex was destined to do since he was but a young child, but when I finished this case I felt like I hadn't accomplished anything of note! After the case ends all that happens is thag the sisters reunite, but I don't care about that! Because all I've seen up until that point was the other sister being an annoying bitch that refuses to help me find her innocent because of her fearing that her sister is a killer, but she refuses to think for even a moment that the scummy waste of space that blackmailed her couldn't have also had something to do with the death. I seriously don't understand how the game portrays her as some legendary prosecutor when she does something as stupid as this. Tldr: Supbar case and super super super bad when compared to the case just before it, and doesn't make you wanna play the game after it, which the case before it accomplished incredibly
Every time one of my friends picks up Ace Attorney I ALWAYS recommend them to skip this case and come back to it right before getting into Apollo Justice, because thematically, gameplay-wise, and in terms of characterization, it just works better as a prequel to Apollo Justice than it does in the position it was retconned in. I advocate for re-retconning this case accordingly.
I like the different tone of ROA. The absence of Maya, the vastly different characters having unique personalities both to the other ROA characters and the main 4 cases, the minigames and the different locations all contributed to a unique atmosphere that was never recaptured spare Investigations Edgeworth. A lot of people say it's too different with it having things that never returned but I'm willing to accept it as it's a noncanon case with no baring on the overall story aside from Ema. The devs got to experiment with different things not seen in the original trilogy. It's wholly unique to itself which is why I'm one of the 2 people that like Apollo Justice with it's deviation from the norm.
I feel like this case mostly suffers from the timeline. It would've been perfect to place it after the final case in AA3 and before AJ due to how smart Phoenix was in AJ
Rise from the ashes has lots of Great Characters. Damon Gant has to be one of my favorite villains in Ace Attorney. His theme is both goofy and elegant at first when you meet him however it has this creepy tone to it after you discover all the stuff he has been doing to blackmail Lana. Camera and Jar sections tho are ass, there is no denying it.
Ong he legit seemed like a simple humble dude and I actually loved him. Until later u start uncovering the truth…. He is by far one of the best villains in the ace attorney series
I didn't understand what you meant that the jar evidence was bad. But when I saw the clip, it brought back nightmares of that part. I do miss the fingerprint features and the forensic luminol spray.
RFTA is one of my favorite cases, if only because of the characters it introduced. Emma of course is key to the overall series now, but Lana, Marshall, Angel and especially Gant are some of THE best original trilogy characters. Gant for me is up there with people like Godot and Mia as those characters you never forget. Everything about the man is iconic. And yeah, day 2 sucks but so does day 2 in a surprising amount of cases, including other "final" cases (this is more of an extra stage than a last stage tbh).
This is my first game and I just finished this case today. I was very engaged into the story that I had some sleepless nights trying to find the contradictions and even caught on a bad ending too! I thought at first Mia is going to help out more than just the first trial (Ms. Starr), but turns out we're completely on our own on the final day; it's quite the leap, I mean Phoenix could have been just stepping up because of the stakes, but you're definitely right, he leapt heaps and bounds above his rookie standing there, like he's already a veteran! I'll need to be prepared to be dumb again coming into the 2nd entry lol. It's not going to be easy to get used to it XD
It only took me about 8 tries with the jar and I'm so proud of it I'm never playing this case again, but I loved it overall. Easy top 5 cases of the first trilogy, but just a one-time playthrough will do
To me, this case is awesome, chief gants feels like a von karma part 2 and have a very good breakdown but is hard to catch until you take him down by his own words wich is more awesome but what i hate about this case is how easy is to get stuck in a part I get stuck like 5 times in the invistigation part and 3 times in the witness part, a lot of save and come back
What I like about Rise of Ashes is that it maintains the same tempo and rhythmic excitement that I got from play Turnabout Goodbyes. Ema Skye is a lot more tolerable character than Maya or hell even Pearl when she’s with you. It includes great features in the game allowing for more in depth knowledge of the evidence being presented to you. And while technically this case came out far after the original trilogy, it also does a clever thing of not including the character portraits to be used as evidence. This is actually a really smart thing to do given where the case is located. Any new player wouldn’t think to present the portraits as evidence for the simple reason as they wouldn’t know about that until JFA. The case also comes after my personal favorite case in the entire series, turnabout goodbyes, which is a phenomenal case in itself. Not only is the music and story intriguing in the case itself, but their are so many memorable moments that make me want to replay that case over and over. Manfred Von Karma is a hell of a prosecutor to take down, figuring out who Yanni Yogi is, is kinda humorous but at the same time not entirely out of the picture when you account for how it’s a staged testimony until he finally comes clean which is such a big break. And then there’s the DL-6 case. Arguably one of the most important backdrops to the entire ace attorney series as it is essentially the root and cause of all the other cases if not most of the cases that occur within the Ace Attorney series before and even after turnabout Goodbyes. So when I heard that Rise of Ashes had its own backdrop case, the SL-9, I knew that not only would we be solving the case we are in now, but also the reason as to why it all happened to begin with. It’s amazing, articulate, and, if it wasn’t for the fact that I got stuck on a few points, very high paced and engaging. Still really freaking long though.
Akward to play through, but the characters are AMAZING. Damon Gant is just SO well made, both as a character and as a sprite. Everything about him screams "Something's off about him, but if you point it out he will fuck you up"
Rise from the Ashes is hands down the best case in the entire franchise as far as I'm concerned. All the narrative beats hit just right, the mystery is layers upon layers of well-constructed with a difficulty to it that is genuine and well-paced; not a moment of "wait where the hell did this come from" nor passages where the solution is obvious, but it still takes entirely too long to get there. I've done three whole runs of this case, more than any other in the series, loved it every time, and picked up on some new detail that I previously missed with every new run. I got into AA with the trilogy ports, so this was effectively my first final case, and it is the standard that I hold any other final case to.
I'm probably the very few that liked the length of this one, sure sometimes the investigations do drag-on a lot (god imagine this case but with psychelocks...) But i feel this was done on purpose, not only is the case itself complex and full of conspiracies but Gant is one of the hardest villains to ever get a guilty verdict given his power and influence alone It's something that made this very case more unique than it already is The only thing i truly disliked from this case was trying to get the right angle from that broken vase during the "blue badger was flying" testimony, fuck that shit
A very complicated question with a very simple answer. It's the Ace Attorney equivalent of a superboss. Not one you take on normally, but rather one you have the option to take on when you're overpowered and looking for a legitimate challenge for something that's only semi-relevant to the main story. (Even Capcom are aware how out of place this story is mostly. When they made the Ace Attorney trilogy game they included several mini references/call forwards that ties to this case to the third game....specifically case 3 for some odd reason) That's why it's so much longer, that's why it's so involved, that's why it's harder than most if not all "final" cases in the other games. It's a test to show your dedication to the Ace Attorney style and it rewards you with an incredibly complex and indepth story that gives some extremely strong insight on some of your favorite characters.
Having played Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Justice for All and some of Trials and Tribulations, I honestly think this is an awesome case. It's definitely long, and it's crazy how much evidence we're carrying around, but my main two gripes with this chapter are the vase scene and the Blue Badger video part. Concerning Phoenix actually being capable in Rise from the Ashes, I don't necessarily find it all that weird. It's been a little while since Maya left, and like they tell us at the beginning of the chapter, Phoenix is lonely. He wonders why he even bothers to come to the office anymore. It could be he's a lot more dependable when in a crisis situation. Sure, in the De Killer case he does what he is told, but his hands are tied. It's possible that he's actually very clever, and a lot more, heh, edgy, than Edgeworth, but with the Feys around, he's more relaxed and goofy, leaving his guard down. That's me trying to justify it anyway. As this case was probably written after the other games, I'm not surprised there are inconsistencies in his character. The Ace Attorney games aren't known for making a whole lot of sense. But I love them anyway; perhaps a little more because of their ridiculousness.
I felt it was a good case, certainly not the best but at least good. I did learn that it was added on, on the DS rerelease so I assumed when I played Justice for all that it too would have a fifth case added on which disappointed me greatly when I finished case four. I know it may be trivial but I wished it wasn't called Rise From The Ashes and stuck with the Turnabout something naming the rest of the series does. Kinda wish Ema Skye had been given that CSI type spin-off game instead of that first Miles Edgeworth Investigations.
The parts of Rise From the Ashes that are good are *really* good, like arguably some of the best-in-the-series good but for me it gets dragged down by too much stuff that feels unnecessary (like Meekins whose testimony was like pulling teeth) and for that reason I can’t put it on the same level as my favorite cases in the series
Very long comment but this case and the video got me really excited so bear with me: I love Rise from the Ashes. I actually believe Rise from the Ashes makes the trilogy make more sense in my head, the reason why Edgeworth disappeared and his rediscovery of himself during his time far away makes so much more sense to me after the events of Rise from the Ashes. If it weren't for Rise for the Ashes I wouldn't have this "head canon" in which Phoenix isn't mad at Edgeworth disappearing because he lost to him, but rather that Phoenix is mad at Edgeworth disappearing because he thinks Edgeworth let the case destroy him (at least temporarily). It is true that the case is awfully long but as it starts picking up speed I felt as thrilled and excited with the plot twists as I did with many other great cases in the trilogy. Finally, the game shows not that Wright is a mastermind in anynway, but that there is no case that Phoenix and Edgeworth can't solve if they start searching for the truth, I think this case and not only Turnabout Goodbies is the one that cements Edgeworth's trust in Phoenix and after playing it, it helped me at least to trust Edgeworth in Farewell my Turnabout.
the first time you have to point out an error in the video tape to prove it wasn't goodman but then the court only accept the light being on despite every single error pointing to exactly that was kinda dumb and I guess that's the root of the whole issue for me... it's a really intriguing case but being so intricate and having so many pieces of overlapping evidence in a game where you have to present specific evidence at specific times could've been handled a little bit better.
To be fair, Phoenix only had Pearl channel Mia in the second part of the trial because he didn't want her to see what kind of a psycho bitch her mom was...
Since I've played on the DS the jar minigame was way easier. I love this and I don't really care how long it is, it's literally the last one so I can forgive the duration
IMO Rise from the Ashes is a good StandAlone trial, but yeah, its place at the timeline makes it weird, and JFA script not mentioning this trial in Edgeworth's retiring bit questions if this trial is canon on the trilogy or not. And speaking of DS mechanics on this trial, they should make a whole game with this feature, after T&T. That would fix the retcom issues, the consistency on Phoenix asking Mia for help and it would not draggin on and on if it was the last trial of the hypothetical game.
I enjoyed the case, The testimonies with Angel, Meekins, and Jake were great and challenging. What let me down was the final testimony, showdown with Damon was too easy, using those two pieces of evidence, there wasn’t much of a challenge to think through. Maybe the game writers had to rush to wrap things up. It just felt anti climactic. But still I really enjoyed case a lot, it also had lot of development for Edgeworth.
I thought it was excellent as a mystery and I personally really like the CCTV puzzle(but can see the frustration); I can understand the whole post T&T Phoenix fitting better with this case but I like to think that Phoenix really is this good without Mia. Difficulty wise I love it, its perfect Post-game content as its not needed to understand the main story but really works well on its own. But the jar puzzle drove me wild with only three attempts, that was abysmal.
My issue is that the events that unfold stand at odds with the plot of Justice For All, in particular Phoenix’s bitterness towards Edgeworth throughout JFA. Having been deeply involved with the events that led to Edgeworth’s resignation, Phoenix should well have known why Edgeworth stepped down. Yet, Phoenix resents Edgeworth and accuses him of doing it out of pettiness, because his ego couldn’t stand losing. Like, buddy, you were there. You KNOW what happened.
Really? Phoenix had full confidence in Edgeworth that he would see the light that prosecution was more than just a perfect record or enmity towards criminals. Edgeworth then 'chose death' (the parallel in using this term is more apparent in the JP version, where Phoenix literally says 'choose life' in the epilogue) which made Phoenix bitter and think prosecutors were all the same. If only Edgeworth just stepped down without faking his death...
@@s07195 Yes, really. It should be obvious that Edgeworth didn't "choose death" because he was mad about his perfect win record. I don't know how you can possibly "really?" me about that. They are well past the subject of the win record by the time case 5 finishes up. He resigned because he discovered he was tricked into using falsified evidence in court, and Phoenix was right there in court with him when Lana confessed as much. Only an absolute knob would deduce it was because of the win record at that point.
At the start i love playing it, and then mid investigation not so much, but then the last part was amazing. It's a mix for me, but overall i enjoyed story very much
The badger security video is absolutely hilarious in how the culprit's face is obscured the entire time. I laugh every time I watch it.
Lmao yep super convenient
Didn't they say it's because Jake Marshall knew where the cameras were and how to avoid them?
@@Bladehound83 That explains why he can't be seen leaving, but that the flag covers his face perfectly during the altercation is pure art.
I feel like that look was perfectly made. It matches the poorly made feel of the blue badger and actually serves the game a real purpose beyond looking like Gumshoe made it.
@@Bladehound83 He knew but the situation changed and his face would appear on camera... Except, by his short-term lucky, the badger was there.
The thing I loved the most on this case was the absence of Mia, it's the thing that I hated the most throughout the trilogy and having a giant case without a cheap solution like Mia magically appearing and saving the day felt so good and satisfactory. But yeah, going into JFA afterwards and not having a case like this or any reference of the characters from it for the rest of the trilogy felt really disappointing as a new player.
Mia does appear (not credited) in a few lines on the last day, but it's not certain if it's just imagination or actually Mia.
And here's where the investigations series comes in
Emo skye
> as a new player
I mean, as a new player myself with the Switch release, I at least knew these were GBA games first, and got a bunch of rereleases. So when we get to the end of the game, it says "BONUS CASE" and it's full of DS mechanics, it was pretty obvious this case was added after the fact and that the sequels would have none of this.
I mean we do see Blue Badger references all over the other two games in the trilogy.
Obviously those references were made before 1-5 was even conceived, but it kinda helps the case fit in with the rest for me
I love how in this case Edgeworth never seems to be antagonistic towards Phoenix and instead just wants to find the true culprit just as much as he does showing how much he's changed.
feels like post JFA Edgeworth, which is weird
It seemed to me more that Edgeworth is sick of the case and just wants to be done with it so that it never bothers him again, as evidenced by the "You want a minute? I'll give you three." line. At first I thought this was the case because he found the case tedious (though this is my projection more than anything), but on second thought, I think that Edgeworth had the feeling that the evidence was forged and the guilt was eating him from the inside. He wanted to face the truth rather than hide from it.
@@TallTapper really? jfa edgeworth seemed a lot more sure of himself, rfta edgeworth felt very much so on the brink of falling apart. he didn't really feel truth-seeking, rather he was repentative and guilty, HENCE he sought the truth and the truth only. which i think actually helped his character in the long-run, it honestly made the transition from his initial characterization a lot smoother.
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@@TallTapper and this information is relevant how...? i'm just putting out my own thoughts under the first comment i saw lol
Rise of the Ashes is one of if not the best cases when taken as a stand-alone. It’s still top tier to me by any categorization, but the fact that it’s technically a filler case while having all the emotional weight of a concluding case for a game is just incredible to me. I also personally love how long it is. I am sometimes sad at how short some of the ace attorney cases are, and this is one of the few cases that truly feels like you get down to the wire as it takes the full three days to resolve, which is doubled down on the fact that the SL9 incident was about to be permanently closed due to the evidence transferal. Damon Gant is one of the greatest villains in the whole franchise and all the side characters are not only enjoyable but most are also deeply layered in a way that most side characters in the franchise usually aren’t. Overall I love this case and it’s clearly a top 5 case in the franchise to me.
Rise from the Ashes was the best case for me. The plot and mystery really had me hooked. All the characters were memorable. Ema, Lana, Gant, Angel Starr, Jake Marshall (ok except Meekins, I hate him and I hate how he's the only character other than Ema to return to the series). And I also loved the "SL-9 Incident" soundtrack. Perfect for this case, where it was all over for everyone already.
I'm extremely sad that Jake Marshall and his banger theme didn't come back :( It's especially weird because with many other characters they frequently use the "joke" possibilities of their themes or characteristics as much as they can (e. g. Grossberg's hemorrhoids or Bikini's back problems), and they had a great occasion to do that with the return of Jake and his cowboy theme. But they just... didn't give him a return, which to me is just so unlike them :T
I was watching the blue badger video thinking how to figure out it might not be Goodman. And I thought, maybe I'm missing a detail elsewhere, looking at the locker in the court record, I realized the single clue I was missing. It was a swell 2nd trial day from there.
I think I may be the only person who likes meekins lol
This is one of the real room-splitter cases to the point where I have seen it argued as either bad or as a favorite.
A lot of it to me comes down to not minding the length, liking the Skye sisters as individuals, finding Gant an intimidating and worthwhile challenge in spite of his easily identifiable role in the grand scheme, and brushing aside the retcon with Edgeworth's retirement. I really like this case even though I know it's got some flaws throughout. It has heart and ambition and made use of the system it was on to create something similar to the DLC cases in games much later.
I don't know why do you desribe RTFA's difficulty as a bad thing, it's exactly the reason i love this case so much. So many evidences, so many vital witnesses involved, and just the way the murder was done makes it the most interesting experience i had with Ace Attorney series.
RFTA is excellent... in Japan. In America, it's only okay.
Now I know what you're thinking, "what are you TALKING about? They're the same game!" Quite. But the context is different. In Japan, RFTA is a special-edition bonus case. It's a prequel case for people who have already beaten the trilogy to sweeten the deal on rebuying a game they already own. Thus, it's the hardest game in the series so that it offers a meaty challenge to fans, it exposes neat lore stuff that those fans might enjoy, and it also gives them a sneak peak at the new mechnics and characters (well, character) who will feature in the shiny new Ace Attorney game currently in development. In that context it's amazing. In America... it's a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere, it's long, it's weirdly placed, and probably turned a lot of players off.
>a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere
It was placed at the very end of the game, if people expect the ending of a game to be easy then they shouldn't play games in the first place. You're acting like this was thrown into the story in the middle of the tutorial or something...
Really? I enjoyed it because it was difficult! Except the freaking jar alignment
@@abeke5523 Same. My biggest problem with the trial is that it drags in places.
i adored it because it was so huge, engaging, and “difficult” since it came at the end of the game
@@abeke5523using the keyboard controls helped me massively
I did the vase thing first try without a guide, honestly it confused me when I heard people complaining about it before I found out how lucky I was
Does anyone else like this case for the aesthetics and character designs?
Still my favourite case in the canon, for three reasons:
- The creepy atmosphere, particularly caused by the fact that you are partly investigating an old serial killer case. Even the name "DL-6 incident" sounds creepy.
- The overwhelming feeling from early on that you were uncovering an enormous conspiracy, and you didn't know what it was, who was friend and who was foe (or sometimes, who was both)
- Less of the supernatural. I am actually not bothered by this aspect in the series, but in this particular case the absence of it was perfectly appropriate.
I’ll tell you when I’m done with that VASE
Yeah me too
TBF I never really questioned Phoenix becoming way smarter all of sudden, given that I kinda just thought that was his "thing" you know.
Like one second Phoenix is unraveling a 15 year old case that no one else could crack and the next he's struggling to remember which way his pants go on in the morning.
I feel like this was one of the more f*cked up cases.
The meekins video was straight up eerie and creepy and having to look closely at bloody fingerprints made me uneasy.
Not to mention the B plot of this case is all about the corrupt and unjust ways prosecutors put people in prison.
There were people who lose their jobs, family and free will because of the old case that was completely based on fake evidence.
Also the villain is kinda messed up. Grant was really intimidating to me, just his natural sprite staring into my soul as the music fades out made me know how powerful this man was. He was a lovely man at first and I enjoyed his nicknames and funny quips a lot. But he activated my flight or fight reflex every time I felt like we made him mad or said something we shouldn’t have.
The way he killed Neil Marshell freaked me out. We were lead to believe that no matter how you look at it, Neil was killed in some way during the fight with Joe Dark, we just don’t know who killed him or how he died. But then it turns out that he WASNT killed during the fight and was just unconscious when Grant found him. So Grant PICKED UP AN ALIVE MAN AND SKEWERED HIM ON A SPEAR.
The case was just kinda more f*cked up in some places and more serious I think.
Honestly, I absolutely loved this case and my only real complaint with it was the sheer length and sometimes the feeling of dragging on after itself. However, I honestly loved the plot, as well as how Phoenix does this mostly under his own merit with some help from Edgeworth-there are no spiritual tricks or Mia coming from the dead to save him; he and Edgeworth trap Gant by themselves. I honestly loved Damon Gant as a villain, too.
I know the whole thing with spirituality has significant and appropriate meaning in Japanese culture, but it was a really big turn-off for me from the future games as a western player.
In my opinion it's important consider this case separate from the rest of the first Ace Attorney. It's so different in tone and in characters. It's a lot darker and I actually appreciated it. I don't think it's one of the best, but I think it's a very memorable case and is definitely somewhere in the upper middle of case rankings.
I loved this case, and especially the cast. I feel it adds more context to Edgeworth’s arc in JFA, and the Skye sisters are some of my favourite characters conceptually in the original trilogy. Gant manages to feel on par with Von Karma in terms of threat, and the final trial moments versus him is the pinnacle of AA1 imo. It certainly has problems, such as the length (the speedrun for RFTA is the same length as 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 and 1-4 combined) but the cast and brilliant twists more than make up for it for me.
My #1 issue with this case is its length. I LITERALLY called it a marathon right after I finished it. While the intro looks cool it's not REALLY accurate to the actual crime.
That being said I do agree that this game helps justify Edgeworth's actions between AA1 & AA2.
On a side note: still can't believe Edgeworth was never formally accused of murder. Or that Mike Meekins was accused at all after looking at that video tape.
Oh, and if Ema wasn't so likable I would have loathed defending Lana at all. It doesn't help that Phoenix doesn't even WANT to take the case until Ema BEGS him.
Other odd points:
1) Evidence Law MATTERS all of a sudden.
2) Perjury is actually mentioned (I don't remember it coming up in any other case in the trilogy).
3) Phoenix gets fired as Lana's Attorney (but it's ignored?).
4) Gumshoe gets fired by Gant (but it's ignored?).
5) This case almost feels TOO self contained to the point of feeling seperate from not only AA1, but the entire trilogy.
PS- I love the Blue Badger and his themesong. :)
"I love the Blue Badger and his theme song"
Sir, I think you may be a psychopath
1) - The evidence law book given actually doesn't contradict a single presentation of evidence in the trilogy (Fun fact, it actually does prevent the presentation of the last piece of evidence in Apollo justice's last case!)
2) It isn't, but it's definitely good that it is, and it's a trend that gradually improved in Takumi's games to the point where in Tgaa almost every single case of blatent perjury (At least, for the first time per witness) is admonished directly by the judge.
3) - Edgeworth immediately objects to Lana's statement and basically says "That's horseshit someone is clearly manipulating you"
4) - Gumshoe presumably is still fired during day 3, and is re-hired after Gant is proven to be the mastermind and stripped of his power.
5. yeah that was pretty much the plan, it was never a part of the storyline until the DS release, pretty much its only purpose is to introduce ema and introduce the new evidence examining mechanics
one more weird thing for me is that, didn't Gant revoke his right to make statements by refusing to testify but then proceeded to give statements anyway
@@manhmo I think the difference is that he was kinda forced to, instead of voluntarily giving statements
I recently finished the AA trilogy on Switch and for the most part the cases kept on getting better with ever case I did but Rise of the Ashes felt off imo. I don't really know how to describe it but I just wasn't a fan of cases story till the last quarter of it. Length is a factor in it but imo this is the first AA trial where I had more fun investigating for evidence then the court segment as I found myself using a guide to get through most the trial something I didn't want to do while playing these games.
Same, it was the only case in the entire trilogy where I had to use a guide for the court segments because I was so completely lost at some points that I didn't even know what I was supposed to be proving anymore. It was really frustrating having to do that bc I felt like an idiot, but it got to the point where I just wanted the whole thing to be over. I also feel like the pacing of the whole thing was really off. Guess it didn't help that it came just after Turnabout Goodbyes which felt like the perfect ending to the first game.
I wouldn’t call it my favorite case in the series (that goes to 2-4 easily), but I enjoyed it more than certain other cases **cough cough turnabout big top cough cough**
Anything's better than turnabout big top. Especially when you soft lock yourself halfway through and have to restart
@@firegirl2593 wait how do you softlock in that trial??
@@firegirl2593 unpopular opinion: Turnabout Big Top is good
@@МанфредФонКарма It's actually really decent. Case 2-1 is by far the worst. One does not simply break his neck and "have time to write down a name". That's f**** stupid.
@@МанфредФонКарма for once an unpopular opinion that is actually unpopular
From a narrative perspective? It's great, and a really fun ride seeing Gant's case slowly crumble over the course of the story (even if his theme was a clear red flag). Gameplay-wise, though, it went on for far too long and definitely could've been a 2-parter or something.
I think Rise from the Ashes has one of the best stories out of all the Ace Attorney cases. Playing it, though? It's rough. It lasts too long, some of the puzzles require gargantuan leaps in logic, or just don't mentally prepare you for what's to come.
Story-wise: It's great
Gameplay-wise: It could be a lot better.
I was always a big fan of this one. Gant is probably even my favourite villain in the series.
Gant was probably the most satisfying villain to break down. Yeah couple of the mini games were Bad and Meeks with his megaphone screeching was annoying, but I really enjoyed this case.
The stakes were abnormally high. It wasn’t just one killer getting away and one person being wrongly convicted. This was a corrupt police chief. If Felt very good to take him down.
It was an acceptable case that definitely overstayed its welcome, had hit-or-miss characters, but it introduced Ema Skye who is best girl in the Apollo Justice era. 11/10
Gants honestly this guy gives off the most impressive vibe in the entirety of the ace attorney series. You can feels so overwhelm with him and his abuse of power is something that I find very impressive as much as his design is. His design is sooooo threatening even if you dont know how he is involve you can tell for sure he got a key role. You can get that vibe from other characters but Gants he stands out among the crowd to the point it kind of scary you can easily be like yep this guy the killer for sure idk what happen but he got the presence of the world on his shoulder that is beggin to be used
Its a bit too long winded, Angel Starr is one of the worst people when it came to testifying in the franchise, and the jar puzzle sucked, but besides that it was pretty good, and Gant is definitely one of the most iconic AA villains, which is weird because Redd White supposedly had him wrapped around his finger.
I think Redd White was over exaggerating. He loses his grip on the judge a few minutes into his trial.
i agree that edgeworth leaving the prosecutor's office because of this case is way better than because of turnabout goodbyes, but it sucks that the aa trilogy didn't capitalize on this in any rereleases. like jfa still goes on pretending rfta never happened in the aa trilogy releases.
the case itself was insanely long and it felt like after every day you get more and more evidence you only use one time. holding on to that screwdriver for three days was testament to that. also i think i might just be lucky or something but i first tried the badger-vase thing both on ds and on the hd trilogy, so it wasn't that bad for me. the evidence room video section still sucks though.
however, the case was also very interesting and exhilarating at points though. landing the finishing blows with edgeworth at the end were amazing, and the killer's breakdown was incredible. gant's "damage" sprite is still one of my favorites in the entire series
spoilers for gaac: the parallels between this case and 2-5 were incredible, i'm glad it got a better spiritual successor in this case in terms of pacing and fun (and no bullshit sections like the vase and video)
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To me the bads in this case pale in comparison to the goods. I liked the new forensic tools and the 3D stuff a lot (except that fucking vase). Watching the security camera footage and trying to find clues was so cool, it made me feel like a detective going frame by frame (although I agree on the music being annoying part). Also figuring shit out without a guide was SOOOO satisfying, holy shit, especially the final piece of evidence showing that Ema was innocent.
Also Gant is so intimidating, my god. One of the best villains in the series, period. The twists were fantastic too, thinking that Ema of all people killed a dude, even on accident, was so bitter. And Edgeworth and Phoenix teaming up to bring Gant down was awesome.
9/10 would play again. I just wished there was a "Story Mode" like in the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles to fast forward the slower parts.
If I look at it in a vacuum, RftA is my favorite case in the entire series. I think it's amazing. However, I can agree that it's out of place being pushed as the grand finale of AA1. IIRC, in Japan it was released as a side-story, rather than just a part of the first game, and I think it works better there.
I'm so glad you explained that about this not being from the original game, having just played the trilogy for the first time on the Switch I thought it was really wierd how it had forensics and videos where later games and previous cases didn't. That makes me look at it completely different
I think it's the best case they have ever made. I was replaying it again along with my wife was playing it for the first time. I have played to this case about three or four times at that point. Despite all of that, it still had me feeling like it was a brand new case
It says a lot when you literally get so bored of a case within the first day in an ace attorney game, that you dont even want to finish it.
The only reason I ever want to finish it is bc the characters. They were so entertaining in a case that would make me wanna play the other 2 games instead bc they aren't this case.
It absolutely drives me bananas to hear her named said "Emma" when I've always thought it was E-ma. Like the letter E, and "ma" xD
Funny story, when I began this case, I didn’t get through “Day 1 - Investiagtion” because I got bored and after coming back, this was a great case. I’m glad they added this.
I feel so mixed about Rise from ashes and a lot of my problems really comes down to this: This case really should been after Trails and tribulations. Both Phoenix and Edgeworth characterizations feels like it was straight out of T&T as you said. And I really didn't like that Edgeworth turned out to not have partaken in forgery, I feel like it kind of undermines his character development of going from a corrupt lawyer to a guy who will strive to find the truth as fair as possible. It would've made more sense that Phoenix stopped taking cases for a bit just rest up and reflect after bridge to turnabout and would also very easily explain Maya and Pearl absence as they'd do the same. And of course, the length and the gimmicks that overstate their welcome is a huge factor in my problems with this case. And there is a lot of other problems I have that will be basically a huge essay. But man I can ignore those problems when it pays off with Phoenix and Miles teaming up to taking down Gant. That's one of the series biggest highlight and line of Edgey saying to Gant "Just sit there and feel the noose tighten around your neck!" is one of the most awesome lines in video games ever.
As someone who only played the first game and half of the second, I think Rise From the Ashes is the best case of the entire game.
Phoenix is amazing in this case. Despite his triumph against von Karma, the guy found himself without a purpose. Maya is far away, Edgeworth is doing his own thing, so he's basically with no one there. No one he cares to help. That is until Ema showed up, and he kinda rediscovered his reason the become a defense attorney: help people who are suffering injustice.
I personaly liked the investigation system that Ema introduced. I really like examining stuff and getting new comments about what I find. I also like how smart Phoenix is in this trial. He's not a rookie anymore. He has beaten someone who was considered a god of prosecution in 2 different cases and gets him arrested in one of the worst scandals of the country, and he acts as the badass lawyer he had to be to pull all of this off. I think this was the most important episode for the character of Phoenix Wright, as he find his purpose once more and wins the trial without depending on one of Mia's channelings. He is a pro on his own and it's great to see him being treated as such.
Kinda late, but I definitely agree with all the points you brought there. Another thing I would like to mention (maybe just a small nitpick of mine) are the testimonies, especially Angel's. God, I fucking hated the part where I needed to cross-examine her, because her testimony was full of holes. I know she was lying, I just couldn't prove it for some reason. Definitely the most frustrating testimony in the original trilogy, if you ask me.
My first exposure to the Ace Attorney franchise was this game on the DS around a decade ago. The cases prior to this one were all great, but the gameplay was getting a bit stale by the end. Then suddenly we get a new case with new gameplay elements including forensics. It surprised me and got me hooked on the rest of the Ace Attorney games. I still look back on it as one of my favourite cases in the franchise. I could imagine it being long and tedious on repeat playthroughs, though. Despite some crazy moments, the first game is by far the most grounded in reality. I love the rest of the trilogy, as well as Apollo Justice and parts of the Investigations games, but the first game will always be the one I look back most fondly upon.
I somewhat enjoyed this case, but it seemed way too long to me, and i also had to use a guide several times. The game expected me to present the same vase over and over, and i was honestly a little frustrated because a case of this length was way too much for my pea brain i guess. But i still liked the story a lot and found Damon brilliant, both because of his somewhat friendly and charismatic tone in court but also because of his plan.
But i personally prefer aa2s last case because again, its not as long as RFTA. Not sure about aa3s yet, as i just recently started case 5, but i am hopeful it will be pretty good.
Say what you will about the case itself, but I will never not feel super satisfied whenever Gant gets struck by lightning and goes demon mode.
I have mixed opinions on this case, right now I look back on it and think ‘that was really good’ but when I was actually playing it I was confused and felt like it was dragging on forever
I was confused for a couple reasons; first being the completely new cast
second being the fact that the story was isolated from the rest of the cases in the game despite it being labelled as case 5
Third was The slightly different style (more mysterious intro, new game mechanics like fingerprinting)
And when I say confused I mean really freaking confused to the point of thinking my game was a dodgy copy or something
But anyways I searched up the case, found out some info and got up a walkthrough (cause i’m dumb and get stuck a lot)
I did like investigating edgeworth’s office though: the gifts from Wendy and the chessboard being set up as the red knights with ‘edges’ surrounding the blue spiked haired pawn made me laugh
In conclusion I think the case was good but could have been made better by being presented as a completely isolated bonus case
I really enjoyed it mainly because I'm too poor to afford the game myself so I watched RTgames play it. Not only was it fun to figure out a puzzles along with someone else, he does a great job with the voices. But besides that the case itself is such an interesting one. The characters have so much depth and personality. It's set up in such a unique way. I want to give this case more praise but I just can't think of the words to express it properly.
I'm a CallMeKevin enjoyer myself.
@@tbone415 i- yeah i guess. Sorry I'm assuming this is a joke but since im a fan of both of them, It's kind of flying over my head.
@@animal_gal_adventures9885 Ah they used to jokingly have beef over being the best Irish youtuber.
@@tbone415 ah got it. Thanks
I played through this case recently and loved it, I almost cried when Ema hugged Lana after all that they've been through
But it does have some downfalls which you mentioned. Cross-examining Angel a million times. 2000 pieces of evidence. The video, and of course...
THE FUCKING JAR
I used to complain about how long the case was years ago. However, I don't see it as too much of an issue anymore since recent AA games have cases that are almost just as long as RFA, if not longer.
Plus, GAC has made me love RFA even more than I already did. Alot of things in that game reminds me of stuff from this case.
i was THAT new player and it was kind of a bump to not ever use the mic again on my DS, beside that, pretty cool case overall
Seeing some parallels to this case (and an aspect of 1-4) referenced in The Resolve Of Ryunosuke Naruhodo, the final case tin TGAA Chronicles, was really interesting to me, and I would like to discuss it a bit while I'm here.
SPOILER WARNING
If you're curious but don't want to be spoiled I do recommend that you play the game yourself, so enjoy some filler text before I get to the point.
Well here's what I was noticing:
The office of the Prosecution is viewed from an angle suspiciously akin to the major office in this case, even arranged in that 3-screens-wide manner in a way I thought of as a subtle homage to RftA.
The Prosecutor himself is a returning friend of the defense attorney, and the defendant is the game's initial prosecutor.
The case has a murder seemingly happening at two different locations, this time a boat and a run-down lodging.
The victim is also a detective.
You have to take down the most powerful person by the end of it all. Someone who has been a manipulator throughout the game.
The serial killer Joe Darke and the older Marshall brother could be seen as similar roles to Barok's older brother Klint and the father of Kazuma Asogi, Genshin. A past incident usually has a bearing on any AA game's finale.
I hope I'm not reaching; I genuinely enjoyed the homage, and it threw in plenty of its own unique twists too like the Boone one. I had a lot of fun playing it recently.
Also, the reason the murder took place in 'two different places' confusion was all because of the Detective's ID yet again down to the reason how the detective ID was there matching up.
(being vague for spoilery reasons, but if you know, YOU KNOW)
For me (as of playing through 2-3) it's about tied w/ 1-4 (despite the cutscene spam) because I love the characterization, particularly the arc between ema and lana as well as phoenix and edgeworth's bromance, along with being packed full of the best courtroom drama style plot I enjoy in the series
It's terribly long, but so good! Specially character wise. Damon Gant was easily one of the best villains, Jake Marshall was my man, and they had banger songs.
"i feel it's best to leave a sour taste in my viewers' mouths by the time they leave" LMAO
It's a weird case, full of top notch elements like Emma as a sidekick, Lana as a defendant, Gant as a villain, or having so much interaction with Edgeworth outside court, paired with godawful things like having to fix a broken jar or the infernal music of the Blue Badger.
I think that Phoenix being so confident even without Mia's help could be chalked to Edgeworth deciding to be an absolute bro during this case. I don't think he ever helped you that much even against Matt Engarde, here he was almost finishing your phrases (granted, it took until the third day, the second day he was still up to usual Edgeworth shenanigans, but the way he used your own plan against you made him seem incredibly cool, when he finally switched gears and decided to help you it seemed almost like cheating)
A little detail that I liked is that Gumshoe was purposefully left out of the investigations because he was so personally loyal to Edgeworth and the police was trying to screw him, ngl at the beggining I thought that Marshal and Angel Starr were conspiring against both Lana, Goodman and Edgeworth as revenge for losing their jobs.
It felt a bit like this case was aping too much from 1-4, a prosecutor who insisted on their guilt and rejected Phoenix as an attorney is the defendant, a murder is getting pinned on a child that had a traumatizing moment in darkness, a powerful figure moving the strings to accuse said child for personal reasons, everything goes bad for Edgeworth and he has to change his mentality...
Okay so I actually like this case but it's so. Goddamn. Long. My only other gripes are the Meekins video and that STUPID GODDAMN JAR, I HATE IT, do you KNOW how many times I had to try that thing? You have to get it pixel-frickfrackfrackalacking-PERFECT. That section made me feel pain like nothing I've ever experienced.
I just finished this case for the first time on the remastered trilogy, you should note that I've never played this series before, and dear god this case was not satisfying to complete at ALL. When I finished turnabout goodbyes right before this case I was absolutely hooked, and I loved how everything in that case connected together absolutely perfectly like Edgeworth realising himself that von karma was the screamer from his dreams and how Larry gives back the money that he had stolen all those years ago. Now, in this case? You barely see any of those characters again, and you take on a case that feels like an anomaly compared to the other ones, because up until this case you've taken cases only for people you actually care about and have an emotional connection to like your childhood friends and your partners favourite actor, but in this case you defend a prosecutor that you've quite literally never heard of before? And all you because they remind you of your late partner and her younger sister? What type of bullshit is that? When I finished Edgeworth's case I felt like I was accomplishing what Phoniex was destined to do since he was but a young child, but when I finished this case I felt like I hadn't accomplished anything of note! After the case ends all that happens is thag the sisters reunite, but I don't care about that! Because all I've seen up until that point was the other sister being an annoying bitch that refuses to help me find her innocent because of her fearing that her sister is a killer, but she refuses to think for even a moment that the scummy waste of space that blackmailed her couldn't have also had something to do with the death. I seriously don't understand how the game portrays her as some legendary prosecutor when she does something as stupid as this.
Tldr: Supbar case and super super super bad when compared to the case just before it, and doesn't make you wanna play the game after it, which the case before it accomplished incredibly
Every time one of my friends picks up Ace Attorney I ALWAYS recommend them to skip this case and come back to it right before getting into Apollo Justice, because thematically, gameplay-wise, and in terms of characterization, it just works better as a prequel to Apollo Justice than it does in the position it was retconned in. I advocate for re-retconning this case accordingly.
I like the different tone of ROA. The absence of Maya, the vastly different characters having unique personalities both to the other ROA characters and the main 4 cases, the minigames and the different locations all contributed to a unique atmosphere that was never recaptured spare Investigations Edgeworth. A lot of people say it's too different with it having things that never returned but I'm willing to accept it as it's a noncanon case with no baring on the overall story aside from Ema. The devs got to experiment with different things not seen in the original trilogy. It's wholly unique to itself which is why I'm one of the 2 people that like Apollo Justice with it's deviation from the norm.
Just seeing this video in my recommended reminded me of the horrors of trying to make that jar look like the blue thingy
UGHHH
@@DishonorableMentions452 yeah...
I played this and had a lot of trouble with this case it was hard!
I love how 90% of this video is just explaining the case (like genuinely)
Shits too complex lmaooo
I feel like this case mostly suffers from the timeline. It would've been perfect to place it after the final case in AA3 and before AJ due to how smart Phoenix was in AJ
Rise from the ashes has lots of Great Characters. Damon Gant has to be one of my favorite villains in Ace Attorney. His theme is both goofy and elegant at first when you meet him however it has this creepy tone to it after you discover all the stuff he has been doing to blackmail Lana. Camera and Jar sections tho are ass, there is no denying it.
Ong he legit seemed like a simple humble dude and I actually loved him. Until later u start uncovering the truth…. He is by far one of the best villains in the ace attorney series
Imo its one of my favorite cases in the series, and I love its eerie atmosphere
I didn't understand what you meant that the jar evidence was bad. But when I saw the clip, it brought back nightmares of that part. I do miss the fingerprint features and the forensic luminol spray.
RFTA is one of my favorite cases, if only because of the characters it introduced. Emma of course is key to the overall series now, but Lana, Marshall, Angel and especially Gant are some of THE best original trilogy characters.
Gant for me is up there with people like Godot and Mia as those characters you never forget. Everything about the man is iconic.
And yeah, day 2 sucks but so does day 2 in a surprising amount of cases, including other "final" cases (this is more of an extra stage than a last stage tbh).
This is my first game and I just finished this case today. I was very engaged into the story that I had some sleepless nights trying to find the contradictions and even caught on a bad ending too! I thought at first Mia is going to help out more than just the first trial (Ms. Starr), but turns out we're completely on our own on the final day; it's quite the leap, I mean Phoenix could have been just stepping up because of the stakes, but you're definitely right, he leapt heaps and bounds above his rookie standing there, like he's already a veteran! I'll need to be prepared to be dumb again coming into the 2nd entry lol. It's not going to be easy to get used to it XD
It only took me about 8 tries with the jar and I'm so proud of it I'm never playing this case again, but I loved it overall.
Easy top 5 cases of the first trilogy, but just a one-time playthrough will do
my favorite moment in this case is how much of moment in the courtroom sessions with lana skye causing quite the uproar jesus
To me, this case is awesome, chief gants feels like a von karma part 2 and have a very good breakdown but is hard to catch until you take him down by his own words wich is more awesome but what i hate about this case is how easy is to get stuck in a part
I get stuck like 5 times in the invistigation part and 3 times in the witness part, a lot of save and come back
What I like about Rise of Ashes is that it maintains the same tempo and rhythmic excitement that I got from play Turnabout Goodbyes. Ema Skye is a lot more tolerable character than Maya or hell even Pearl when she’s with you. It includes great features in the game allowing for more in depth knowledge of the evidence being presented to you. And while technically this case came out far after the original trilogy, it also does a clever thing of not including the character portraits to be used as evidence. This is actually a really smart thing to do given where the case is located. Any new player wouldn’t think to present the portraits as evidence for the simple reason as they wouldn’t know about that until JFA.
The case also comes after my personal favorite case in the entire series, turnabout goodbyes, which is a phenomenal case in itself. Not only is the music and story intriguing in the case itself, but their are so many memorable moments that make me want to replay that case over and over. Manfred Von Karma is a hell of a prosecutor to take down, figuring out who Yanni Yogi is, is kinda humorous but at the same time not entirely out of the picture when you account for how it’s a staged testimony until he finally comes clean which is such a big break. And then there’s the DL-6 case. Arguably one of the most important backdrops to the entire ace attorney series as it is essentially the root and cause of all the other cases if not most of the cases that occur within the Ace Attorney series before and even after turnabout Goodbyes.
So when I heard that Rise of Ashes had its own backdrop case, the SL-9, I knew that not only would we be solving the case we are in now, but also the reason as to why it all happened to begin with. It’s amazing, articulate, and, if it wasn’t for the fact that I got stuck on a few points, very high paced and engaging. Still really freaking long though.
Akward to play through, but the characters are AMAZING. Damon Gant is just SO well made, both as a character and as a sprite. Everything about him screams "Something's off about him, but if you point it out he will fuck you up"
I like the case because Emma’s relationship with Lana is just wholesome.
Rise from the Ashes is hands down the best case in the entire franchise as far as I'm concerned. All the narrative beats hit just right, the mystery is layers upon layers of well-constructed with a difficulty to it that is genuine and well-paced; not a moment of "wait where the hell did this come from" nor passages where the solution is obvious, but it still takes entirely too long to get there. I've done three whole runs of this case, more than any other in the series, loved it every time, and picked up on some new detail that I previously missed with every new run.
I got into AA with the trilogy ports, so this was effectively my first final case, and it is the standard that I hold any other final case to.
I'm probably the very few that liked the length of this one, sure sometimes the investigations do drag-on a lot (god imagine this case but with psychelocks...) But i feel this was done on purpose, not only is the case itself complex and full of conspiracies but Gant is one of the hardest villains to ever get a guilty verdict given his power and influence alone
It's something that made this very case more unique than it already is
The only thing i truly disliked from this case was trying to get the right angle from that broken vase during the "blue badger was flying" testimony, fuck that shit
I needed to watch a Slyzer video to figure out the jar 😭
A very complicated question with a very simple answer.
It's the Ace Attorney equivalent of a superboss. Not one you take on normally, but rather one you have the option to take on when you're overpowered and looking for a legitimate challenge for something that's only semi-relevant to the main story. (Even Capcom are aware how out of place this story is mostly. When they made the Ace Attorney trilogy game they included several mini references/call forwards that ties to this case to the third game....specifically case 3 for some odd reason)
That's why it's so much longer, that's why it's so involved, that's why it's harder than most if not all "final" cases in the other games. It's a test to show your dedication to the Ace Attorney style and it rewards you with an incredibly complex and indepth story that gives some extremely strong insight on some of your favorite characters.
I stayed 1 hour to put that damned vase in the right position.
THAT. DAMN. VASE. I SPENT WAY TO MUCH TIME DOING THAT AAAAAA.
Good video... but I could live without this case. Not without its characters my God I love them
Having played Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Justice for All and some of Trials and Tribulations, I honestly think this is an awesome case. It's definitely long, and it's crazy how much evidence we're carrying around, but my main two gripes with this chapter are the vase scene and the Blue Badger video part.
Concerning Phoenix actually being capable in Rise from the Ashes, I don't necessarily find it all that weird. It's been a little while since Maya left, and like they tell us at the beginning of the chapter, Phoenix is lonely. He wonders why he even bothers to come to the office anymore. It could be he's a lot more dependable when in a crisis situation. Sure, in the De Killer case he does what he is told, but his hands are tied.
It's possible that he's actually very clever, and a lot more, heh, edgy, than Edgeworth, but with the Feys around, he's more relaxed and goofy, leaving his guard down.
That's me trying to justify it anyway. As this case was probably written after the other games, I'm not surprised there are inconsistencies in his character. The Ace Attorney games aren't known for making a whole lot of sense. But I love them anyway; perhaps a little more because of their ridiculousness.
I felt it was a good case, certainly not the best but at least good. I did learn that it was added on, on the DS rerelease so I assumed when I played Justice for all that it too would have a fifth case added on which disappointed me greatly when I finished case four. I know it may be trivial but I wished it wasn't called Rise From The Ashes and stuck with the Turnabout something naming the rest of the series does. Kinda wish Ema Skye had been given that CSI type spin-off game instead of that first Miles Edgeworth Investigations.
The parts of Rise From the Ashes that are good are *really* good, like arguably some of the best-in-the-series good but for me it gets dragged down by too much stuff that feels unnecessary (like Meekins whose testimony was like pulling teeth) and for that reason I can’t put it on the same level as my favorite cases in the series
I’m definitely in the minority when I say it is better than turnabout goodbyes, but admittedly goodbyes serves as a better ending.
13:00 this gave me actual PTSD
Very long comment but this case and the video got me really excited so bear with me: I love Rise from the Ashes. I actually believe Rise from the Ashes makes the trilogy make more sense in my head, the reason why Edgeworth disappeared and his rediscovery of himself during his time far away makes so much more sense to me after the events of Rise from the Ashes. If it weren't for Rise for the Ashes I wouldn't have this "head canon" in which Phoenix isn't mad at Edgeworth disappearing because he lost to him, but rather that Phoenix is mad at Edgeworth disappearing because he thinks Edgeworth let the case destroy him (at least temporarily).
It is true that the case is awfully long but as it starts picking up speed I felt as thrilled and excited with the plot twists as I did with many other great cases in the trilogy.
Finally, the game shows not that Wright is a mastermind in anynway, but that there is no case that Phoenix and Edgeworth can't solve if they start searching for the truth, I think this case and not only Turnabout Goodbies is the one that cements Edgeworth's trust in Phoenix and after playing it, it helped me at least to trust Edgeworth in Farewell my Turnabout.
the first time you have to point out an error in the video tape to prove it wasn't goodman but then the court only accept the light being on despite every single error pointing to exactly that was kinda dumb and I guess that's the root of the whole issue for me... it's a really intriguing case but being so intricate and having so many pieces of overlapping evidence in a game where you have to present specific evidence at specific times could've been handled a little bit better.
To be fair, Phoenix only had Pearl channel Mia in the second part of the trial because he didn't want her to see what kind of a psycho bitch her mom was...
One of my fav cases, going against chief of police at the end was great, granted after that case the evidence law is never followed again
I mean a lot of why the case is good is on the final days but vase exists so I don’t know what I’m saying
My favorite case in the game, and probably my favorite case of all time.
Since I've played on the DS the jar minigame was way easier. I love this and I don't really care how long it is, it's literally the last one so I can forgive the duration
IMO Rise from the Ashes is a good StandAlone trial, but yeah, its place at the timeline makes it weird, and JFA script not mentioning this trial in Edgeworth's retiring bit questions if this trial is canon on the trilogy or not. And speaking of DS mechanics on this trial, they should make a whole game with this feature, after T&T. That would fix the retcom issues, the consistency on Phoenix asking Mia for help and it would not draggin on and on if it was the last trial of the hypothetical game.
JFA doesn’t mention RftA because RftA came out 3 years after
I think it a good case in general and is great narratively since Edgeworth would be disgraced after being exposed for using false evidence.
This case is practically its own game due to how long it is. That being said, it’s SOOO GOOOODDDDDD
I finished the trilogy not long time ago, and for my it was my favorite case of the game
I enjoyed the case,
The testimonies with Angel, Meekins, and Jake were great and challenging.
What let me down was the final testimony, showdown with Damon was too easy, using those two pieces of evidence, there wasn’t much of a challenge to think through. Maybe the game writers had to rush to wrap things up. It just felt anti climactic.
But still I really enjoyed case a lot, it also had lot of development for Edgeworth.
I thought it was excellent as a mystery and I personally really like the CCTV puzzle(but can see the frustration); I can understand the whole post T&T Phoenix fitting better with this case but I like to think that Phoenix really is this good without Mia. Difficulty wise I love it, its perfect Post-game content as its not needed to understand the main story but really works well on its own. But the jar puzzle drove me wild with only three attempts, that was abysmal.
The case art is AMAZING. What.
Not nearly as good as the rest. Still better than what comes later though.
@@tbone415 I like it better than any other case art in the first game. The others are so messy. This one's clean, nice and sharp.
My issue is that the events that unfold stand at odds with the plot of Justice For All, in particular Phoenix’s bitterness towards Edgeworth throughout JFA. Having been deeply involved with the events that led to Edgeworth’s resignation, Phoenix should well have known why Edgeworth stepped down. Yet, Phoenix resents Edgeworth and accuses him of doing it out of pettiness, because his ego couldn’t stand losing. Like, buddy, you were there. You KNOW what happened.
Really? Phoenix had full confidence in Edgeworth that he would see the light that prosecution was more than just a perfect record or enmity towards criminals. Edgeworth then 'chose death' (the parallel in using this term is more apparent in the JP version, where Phoenix literally says 'choose life' in the epilogue) which made Phoenix bitter and think prosecutors were all the same. If only Edgeworth just stepped down without faking his death...
@@s07195 Yes, really. It should be obvious that Edgeworth didn't "choose death" because he was mad about his perfect win record. I don't know how you can possibly "really?" me about that. They are well past the subject of the win record by the time case 5 finishes up. He resigned because he discovered he was tricked into using falsified evidence in court, and Phoenix was right there in court with him when Lana confessed as much. Only an absolute knob would deduce it was because of the win record at that point.
@@waynestrange Oh, it was more of a question sort of 'Really', not exasperation. Just wanted to provide a different perspective.
At the start i love playing it, and then mid investigation not so much, but then the last part was amazing. It's a mix for me, but overall i enjoyed story very much