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"Pretty dull" haha!! The unprocessed vocal is so well recorded/sung/time-aligned that already sounds better than the finished vocals from anything I mixed during my first 5 years! Working my way up I was given horrible recordings, and struggled so much (I was known for making miracles), that it was some pretty intensive training. But it also felt like I was struggling 90% of the time, instead of enjoying the process. I even gave up at some point and stopped mixing for a few months. Meanwhile, some of my mixes were released, and were kind of successful, so I was back in the game in no time, and at a different level. The first time I was given a real professionally recorded session, complete with production notes, and EVERYTHING PROFESSIONALLY EDITED / TUNED and ready to go, I cried of happiness! Nearly everything I tried worked, sounded good, and had a place in the mix without an insane ammount of effort/problem fixing. The whole process became easy, smooth and, best of all, CREATIVE. It all made finally sense. So fellas, don't be surprised if you try everything that Jordan does here and you don't get the same results. The source material is as important as what you do with it. Go find people that are as passionate as you are with sound engineering/producing/mixing and try to be more selective with the quality (and execution) of the music that ends up in your hands. And then, watch this video again!
@@barneyrubble8255 ha! If you think that a nice preamp and not singing too close to the mic is enough for a good take, then you're definitely missing the point I was making. The singer, the microphone you choose, the acoustic treatment, the preamp settings, the audio interface AD converters, the headphone mix for the singer, the recording levels, the producer's notes and guidance, the vocal comp, the editing, the tuning, the vocal tracks layering. It all comes before getting the tracks for mixing, and you're not in control of it (that is, if you're just the mixing engineer!)
How did I miss this video when it came out? Jordan, you are becoming one of my favs. Appreciate the info, and appreciate someone that just tells people what works instead of dancing around the subject for 40 minutes. Here's your frequency, this is what it does, boom bingo bonzai baby we're mixin now. I'd like to know who the female singer is. That's a killer song.
I totally dig your easy goin’, friendly on-camera presence. This was a great tutorial. I’ve been doing this stuff for almost as many years as you’ve been alive, but I still learned a nifty little new technique. Usually, I keep a close eye on the upper mid bands, but I guess for modern pop vocals, that 1.5k boost works. :) God bless. Keep up the good work, mate. :)
Those raw vocal takes sound amazing on their own, both tracking and the artists performace are spectacular. I wonder if a compressor was used during tracking, maybe an La-2a?
This was a great video but i'm sure that these vocals have already been through much mixing already. However, i do believe this method alone can sometimes work, but it would also depend on your equipment (e.g microphone & interface) and the kind of vocals you are working with.
@@campar1043 Absolutely not lol! Please trust me, I literally do this all day every day. They have either been mixed a little already or were tracked with compression and eq. I can hear the compression on the peaks lol. A "raw" vocal track will have a rather large dynamic range 75% of the time. Especially in this genre. You can hear him go from quiet to super loud with very little change in dynamics. That's only one of the many things lol. There is nothing wrong with that. I prefer if my clients send me their work with a touch of starting eq and compression as long as they know how to use it. It's kind of like using a preset as a starting point lol. Can be a HUGE time saver! :D 100000000000% agree on the mic and preamp. They were top notch as well! :D
I really struggle with mixing vocals, I'm just starting so I don't mix that great yet but I'm really looking forward to improving. Thanks for your videos!
remember serial compression is your friend, it sounds to my ears the dry vocal track on this video is also been compressed before even EQing and adding another compressor
I'm fairly new to mixing so this has been incredibly useful, thanks RR and Jordan! Question: I often find engineers suggesting putting an LA-2A style compressor immediately after the 1176 in the chain, that they work best together, etc. I see that Jordan doesn't do that here, so I'm just wondering why. Is it simply a matter of taste? Or unnecessary? Thanks for the great content!
The songs are so damn good! Im gonna dig through the comments, I’m curious of the vocal chain. Both vocals had great foundations as far as the “raw vocal” takes. Haven’t seen the technique of the release as fast as possible. Gonna try this tomorrow. Cheers Jordan
my biggest mistake is spending way too long on a mix, my aural vision gets clouded. i miss things because of that cloudiness. especially because i tend to do vocals last.
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this enlightening video! Great example of what sound you can get by putting the EQ before a lot of compression. I too would love to know who the artist and or writer was for the first song so I can buy the track. Amazing vocal and band. Reminded me a little of Badfinger.
Raidio ready are u serious I tried this and it squashed my vocals?? My vocal chain sounds so much clearer and crispy. But then again. My mixer has British compressors and eq as I record live
There is no "radio ready" chain absolutely. The vocal sounds just a little bit stronger with a quantum of plugins which also CLIPPING. And finaly why i should use a non existed "radio ready" sound for only vocal? And why i should mix the song because a radio? What about also TV ready mix? Where is the car audio ready mix?
i kinda thought the raw vocal sounded way too good to be raw....maybe it had compresson and EQ on the way in??? tbh I thought it didnt sound dull at all haha :(
@@lodougherty no way.. 18i20 wouldnt have enough clean gain to push SM7b up without raising its noise floor. the "raw vocal" imo, had low cut and some high shelf raised(or with a preamp that had some high end sparkle) and some light compression. or that singer is just naturally gifted with radio ready vocals lol
@@AgapeSignal Sorry, forgot to mention I also use a cloud lifter. The third gen 18i20's also have a lot more horsepower than previous gen as far as pre amps go imo.
Jordan usually records vocals through sm7b through a distressor. In previous videos he said he doesn't like to eq on the way in. I dont know if that's still true.
Muddy mixes are not the result of a certain daw, it’s a sound control issue. You just hear wrong your sound material and do unnecessary processing in low and low mids. Can be solved with proper room treatment and use of references.
Muddy mixes are not the result of a certain daw, it’s a sound control issue. You just hear wrong your sound material and do unnecessary processing in low and low mids. Can be solved with proper room treatment and use of references.
@recordingrevolution - I get it, maybe the song isn't released - but I can't figure out why the artist can't be shared so anyone watching the video can follow them or become a fan? This video has been up 6 months, multiple people have inquired, and no one associated with the video can answer? You'd think the band would want the free publicity.
The cardinal sin of A/B comparison is stopping the demo to talk between variations. Auditory memory is SHORT, and we can all see you pressing 'bypass', so here's a pro tip: Select a 3-5 second loop. Say, _I'm going to loop a short section. Listen as I switch the effect in and out._ Then run the A/B a few times with NO INTERRUPTIONS. Anything you have to say can wait until AFTER the demonstration.
Loved the tutorial, great representation of "today's sound" ... not a fan of mega-compression, I'm a 3db nice and easy kinda guy but that's what the industry has turned into and why I'm not doing any work in it anymore .. great tutorial though and going to have to watch some of your other work!
Does anyone know how to best emulate these compressor settings in a compressor that goes by miliseconds instead of 1-7 like the CLA-76? I can't find the ms equivalents for the cla76 settings online. Thanks!
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What's the song name?
What is that mixer you’re working on there?
Those raw vocals sound better than my finished vocals ever will.
Thought the same. Raw vocals sounded great. Wasnt even 2mins into the video and I'm already confused.
"Pretty dull" haha!! The unprocessed vocal is so well recorded/sung/time-aligned that already sounds better than the finished vocals from anything I mixed during my first 5 years!
Working my way up I was given horrible recordings, and struggled so much (I was known for making miracles), that it was some pretty intensive training. But it also felt like I was struggling 90% of the time, instead of enjoying the process. I even gave up at some point and stopped mixing for a few months. Meanwhile, some of my mixes were released, and were kind of successful, so I was back in the game in no time, and at a different level.
The first time I was given a real professionally recorded session, complete with production notes, and EVERYTHING PROFESSIONALLY EDITED / TUNED and ready to go, I cried of happiness! Nearly everything I tried worked, sounded good, and had a place in the mix without an insane ammount of effort/problem fixing. The whole process became easy, smooth and, best of all, CREATIVE. It all made finally sense.
So fellas, don't be surprised if you try everything that Jordan does here and you don't get the same results. The source material is as important as what you do with it. Go find people that are as passionate as you are with sound engineering/producing/mixing and try to be more selective with the quality (and execution) of the music that ends up in your hands.
And then, watch this video again!
What do you mean by properly recorded? they didn't have a nice pre amp and sung to close to the mic? Or you just mean they were all crappy singers.
Thank you for sharing, I'm just starting so it feels great to get some foresight : )
Such a good take, I was on my way to say the same thing but you said it much better!
Almost 20 years I’ve been mixing. This was a good story and some FANTASTIC advice you just gave
@@barneyrubble8255 ha! If you think that a nice preamp and not singing too close to the mic is enough for a good take, then you're definitely missing the point I was making. The singer, the microphone you choose, the acoustic treatment, the preamp settings, the audio interface AD converters, the headphone mix for the singer, the recording levels, the producer's notes and guidance, the vocal comp, the editing, the tuning, the vocal tracks layering. It all comes before getting the tracks for mixing, and you're not in control of it (that is, if you're just the mixing engineer!)
Didn’t expect to see Neck Deep or Silverstein producer on Recording Revolution. This is dope
Well, the raw vocal sounds good to begin with. It does not need a lot of work as you said.
That’s the key. Get it nearly right from the get go.
This would be great if the raw vocal didn’t sound like it was recording with a 251, in a heavily treated room running through a bae or neve 73
Maybe "Radio ready vocal chain" just meant a chain to use on your radio ready vocals 😂
Exactly the same fact in my mind
This is why he always stresses getting a good source sound. That’s the whole point lol can’t polish a turd
@@georgeadamz5269 it’s a difference btw a good recording and 20k chain also
@@bsteve3981 yeah of course it is
GREAT video! The most important part is getting a great recording source! So, so important.
How did I miss this video when it came out? Jordan, you are becoming one of my favs. Appreciate the info, and appreciate someone that just tells people what works instead of dancing around the subject for 40 minutes. Here's your frequency, this is what it does, boom bingo bonzai baby we're mixin now.
I'd like to know who the female singer is. That's a killer song.
I know is not the focus of the video, but those drums in the first track sound sooo good!
I totally dig your easy goin’, friendly on-camera presence. This was a great tutorial. I’ve been doing this stuff for almost as many years as you’ve been alive, but I still learned a nifty little new technique. Usually, I keep a close eye on the upper mid bands, but I guess for modern pop vocals, that 1.5k boost works. :)
God bless. Keep up the good work, mate. :)
Why no mention of reverb or echo in this tutorial, what do you use and when?
Those raw vocal takes sound amazing on their own, both tracking and the artists performace are spectacular. I wonder if a compressor was used during tracking, maybe an La-2a?
Definitely had some compression. Sounded good
99% sure it was tracked with a Distressor
Thats what I thought too. The raw tracks sound amazing.
yea that "raw" vocal is not raw at all
Guarantee it was tracked with a legit setup.
Like others are saying this just really highlights the NECESSITY to get it right on the way in. Practice practice practice. Thanks for the vid!
Came for the mixing tips, stayed for the Leafs shirt 👌🏼
This was a great video but i'm sure that these vocals have already been through much mixing already. However, i do believe this method alone can sometimes work, but it would also depend on your equipment (e.g microphone & interface) and the kind of vocals you are working with.
They for SURE are not raw vocal tracks lol!
9:50
Agree. I finally got my dream vocal chain Neve/CL 1b in AD Burl. Very expressive but mixing vocals have been just this simple.
they sound pretty raw but with a quality mic and preamp
@@campar1043 Absolutely not lol! Please trust me, I literally do this all day every day. They have either been mixed a little already or were tracked with compression and eq. I can hear the compression on the peaks lol. A "raw" vocal track will have a rather large dynamic range 75% of the time. Especially in this genre. You can hear him go from quiet to super loud with very little change in dynamics. That's only one of the many things lol. There is nothing wrong with that. I prefer if my clients send me their work with a touch of starting eq and compression as long as they know how to use it. It's kind of like using a preset as a starting point lol. Can be a HUGE time saver! :D
100000000000% agree on the mic and preamp. They were top notch as well! :D
Lol that raw vocal sounds great compared to some mixed vocals I hear!
man, your tutorials are incredible. what a treat. thank you.
Excellent worrrrk ....love the 1176 beautiful compressor
I saw this video in my neuro science class and that was awesome
I really struggle with mixing vocals, I'm just starting so I don't mix that great yet but I'm really looking forward to improving.
Thanks for your videos!
remember serial compression is your friend, it sounds to my ears the dry vocal track on this video is also been compressed before even EQing and adding another compressor
@@satyarsh665 Thanks for the tips, I'll pay close attention to it from now on
I struggled a lot. Then I got decent monitors. Then I understood half my struggle was just that.
@@syze2537 what monitors did you get?
@@bhuber77 Adam t5v , not high end but Im enjoying them.
Jordan is a super under rated engineer.
Its amazing how good plugins are sounding these days!
I swear up and down I'm getting a 70's kind of sound with the CLA-76
@@Giovanni_B9 That's what made me buy them; A noticable sonic difference.
Man I love her voice 🔥🔥🔥
I'm fairly new to mixing so this has been incredibly useful, thanks RR and Jordan! Question: I often find engineers suggesting putting an LA-2A style compressor immediately after the 1176 in the chain, that they work best together, etc. I see that Jordan doesn't do that here, so I'm just wondering why. Is it simply a matter of taste? Or unnecessary? Thanks for the great content!
The songs are so damn good! Im gonna dig through the comments, I’m curious of the vocal chain. Both vocals had great foundations as far as the “raw vocal” takes. Haven’t seen the technique of the release as fast as possible. Gonna try this tomorrow. Cheers Jordan
What were the 3 Aux sends already engaged when you said "Raw Vocals"? I could clearly here one was delay...
I learned so much sounds proffesional Graham wouldnt allow anything less, your voice for taching is goodand easy to follow Thankyou
SSL E & CLA76 are a power couple 🖤
It's always an 1176 😂
can't go wrong whith it lol
They have the fastest attack and release because they are transistor (FET) compressors. Great for fast lyrics.
Honestly
Vocalist kinda sounds like panic at the disco. Cool track and thanks for the tips!!
Bro, You are always just minimal to awesomeness. I just use your cheatsheet and i love my mixes😎
where is that cheatsheet? :D
Love this video! It's so much easier to listen to his advice when it sounds this good
Wow you are working with some really great singers
my biggest mistake is spending way too long on a mix, my aural vision gets clouded. i miss things because of that cloudiness. especially because i tend to do vocals last.
Great video🤘 the vocals sound great with the blue 1176. I use that on vocals and guitar. I also like to use the Plugchild
i found that the howard benson vocal plugin is almost all i need just 4 more comps added to it at the end and im good!
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this enlightening video! Great example of what sound you can get by putting the EQ before a lot of compression. I too would love to know who the artist and or writer was for the first song so I can buy the track. Amazing vocal and band. Reminded me a little of Badfinger.
I really like the easy explaining of your approach its great..
Silverstein is a classic band to me. You worked on that?
Nice video. Very minimalist for the most part. Sorry about your Maple Leafs' early exit. My team didn't even make the 2021 playoffs :(
Great work BUT when did you put the reverb and echo in the chain which plug ins? what settings?
Where can we hear these songs?? I really love the one with the female singer
What song is this? Id love to listen to the finished mix
Jordan I really Like this record bro major cool bounce to it 🔥🎶
Great reminder on how to do it, Thanks
Never seen Jordan so grizzly. Must've been using a little more decapitator than usual! 😜
The song with female vocals sounds great! Who's the artist?
Also wanna know :)
It’s on my pop punk playlist. The song is called Tired Hearts by Goodbye Sky Harbour :)
@@edwardkenemorales Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm gonna check it out. 😀👍✌️
The female record is FIRE!!
Goodbye Sky Harbour - Tired Hearts
Does anyone know what the artist/name of the first song is? Giving me old-school Panic at the Disco vibes, love the track.
That was my first thought as well!
pretty sure its the silverstein guitarist's solo project - the newer dude Paul
@@bestfrndsclub but is the song out? or yet to be released?
Yeah. Like nine in the afternoon.
Graham, i was just able to get my hands on a stam audio sa76 blue stripe and am super stoked to use it!!
Did anyone notice that David survived the dentist? 😂 Great tunning!! Thanks a lot! What are the songs names?
whats the name of the songs? Love it!
First of all - nice T-Shirt :)
Nine in the afternoon type beat
I would just like to let u know u just helped me so much with this video
Amazing, so simple, so clean, so well explained. Bravo!!
Great video! Is the compressor really doing 10-20dBs of GR?
It‘s Jordan, guys. Sure! 😂
@@endlichjura I guess that makes sense as he’s also boosting 7-8dBs with the eq. :)
@@RoopeBb - right!
Should have included what equipment the guy singer used to get that vocal to be so warm and full before it hit any processing
Thanks for this tutorial
Burst in bloom was a fantastic fucking band!
Biggest crossover yet
Raidio ready are u serious I tried this and it squashed my vocals?? My vocal chain sounds so much clearer and crispy. But then again. My mixer has British compressors and eq as I record live
Great approach 👏
How am I supposed to compare between with and without the compressor if you put and ad between them?
What mic, Mic Amp and Compressor hardware do you use, before you use any plug Ins? No one never shows that..
This was a great straight to the point tutorial!
This is really great, thank you guys!
It really helps when the vocals are recorded and performed well.
There is no "radio ready" chain absolutely. The vocal sounds just a little bit stronger with a quantum of plugins which also CLIPPING. And finaly why i should use a non existed "radio ready" sound for only vocal? And why i should mix the song because a radio? What about also TV ready mix? Where is the car audio ready mix?
Not sure if you mentioned, but what mic did you use?
I’m going to start a band called “Radio Ready”. Ima get loads of free publicity on these videos! “W” 😂
What the name of this male vocal track? I like it and wanna hear the complete song
So what mics were used on the original recordings??
Thank you for your helpful tips
Reverb/delay part?
hey, i love this video. was this vocal chain on a bus or directly on the vocal?
everytime on a track, kill your problems , there where it happen
i kinda thought the raw vocal sounded way too good to be raw....maybe it had compresson and EQ on the way in??? tbh I thought it didnt sound dull at all haha :(
Sounds similar to when I track vocals into my SM7B, through a 18i20.
Could be your microphone choices.
@@lodougherty no way.. 18i20 wouldnt have enough clean gain to push SM7b up without raising its noise floor. the "raw vocal" imo, had low cut and some high shelf raised(or with a preamp that had some high end sparkle) and some light compression. or that singer is just naturally gifted with radio ready vocals lol
@@AgapeSignal Sorry, forgot to mention I also use a cloud lifter. The third gen 18i20's also have a lot more horsepower than previous gen as far as pre amps go imo.
@@lodougherty oh.. that makes sense :P, if you are getting good sounds then all power to you bro~ keep it up
Jordan usually records vocals through sm7b through a distressor. In previous videos he said he doesn't like to eq on the way in. I dont know if that's still true.
This was very helpful, thanks. I have always been told my vocals and mix are muddy and unclear. What DAW is that? Pro Tools?
Yep that's pro tools
Muddy mixes are not the result of a certain daw, it’s a sound control issue. You just hear wrong your sound material and do unnecessary processing in low and low mids. Can be solved with proper room treatment and use of references.
Muddy mixes are not the result of a certain daw, it’s a sound control issue. You just hear wrong your sound material and do unnecessary processing in low and low mids. Can be solved with proper room treatment and use of references.
Thanks! Very helpful!
whats the second song called
What reverb and delay are being used on the vocals
@recordingrevolution - I get it, maybe the song isn't released - but I can't figure out why the artist can't be shared so anyone watching the video can follow them or become a fan? This video has been up 6 months, multiple people have inquired, and no one associated with the video can answer? You'd think the band would want the free publicity.
Toronto maple leads. Awesome.🙃😉
Let’s go!
Killer video!
this is very good tips. tnx
Great, thanks!!!
there's me thinking I was hitting the 1176 hard at 8db GR hahaha
Very Nice, God Bless!
Came here after getting recommended by @yashrajmukhate on @beerbiceps show. 😊
That raw vocals sound better that mixed vocals in ma tracks ... :/
Question: Is It Okay If I Have A Preset For My Voice Then After fully recording, render then re mix the audio as a whole?
Wondering If I Could Achieve The Same Sound Because Im not that good at mixing
I dont use those plug-ins,but this will help anyway : )
Very helpful Thank you.
Really cool, thank you
The cardinal sin of A/B comparison is stopping the demo to talk between variations. Auditory memory is SHORT, and we can all see you pressing 'bypass', so here's a pro tip: Select a 3-5 second loop. Say, _I'm going to loop a short section. Listen as I switch the effect in and out._ Then run the A/B a few times with NO INTERRUPTIONS. Anything you have to say can wait until AFTER the demonstration.
thanks
Loved the tutorial, great representation of "today's sound" ... not a fan of mega-compression, I'm a 3db nice and easy kinda guy but that's what the industry has turned into and why I'm not doing any work in it anymore .. great tutorial though and going to have to watch some of your other work!
what's the title of the song
I would like to know what kind of mixer you are using to control p.t.
looks like the SSL control surface.
No reverbs, delays or sends on that? Somehow sounds like its already there from the room sound maybe in the recording?
Looks like the vocal track is sending to Verb & Delay. (SHTL & STER).
Yes, he always uses a stereo delay with 180 ms left and 220 right.
Does anyone know how to best emulate these compressor settings in a compressor that goes by miliseconds instead of 1-7 like the CLA-76? I can't find the ms equivalents for the cla76 settings online. Thanks!
Who cares 76 on vocals is almost always too much if ur mastering chain is proper. Try a 2a its basically impossible to mess it up