Eric Weinstein & Michael Shermer: UFO DEBATE!
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- What is the nature of the abundant accounts of unexplained aerial phenomena? Are they harbingers of advanced extraterrestrial engineering, math, and physics, beyond our standard model? Or is there a more prosaic, though no less significant explanation, ranging from military operations, unreliable witnesses, or confirmation bias? Is our government sharing all it knows? Or is there really anything 'there' there?
Beyond wanting to believe, do we have any evidence for our beliefs?
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Why is it that all the footage of Michael Shermer in this discussion is so grainy and blurry? I can't take his existence seriously until I see some HD footage.
Don't worry, I have firsthand experience of being abducted by Michael Shermer. That should settle any debate.
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I guess it would be really funny if it was the skeptics mutilating the cows all along.
Maybe Michael Shermer is just blurry.
the irony of Shermer complaining about an image being blurry
The issue is they need distractions in the time of the AI anti Christ so they can create chaos purposefully.
I thought that too, but then he mentioned he was still using 56K dial up. Maybe he thinks Broadband is an impossible technology that will never replace Frequency Shift Keying.
😂😂😂
I've not seen clear evidence of any Shermer.
The three things in life that are blurry: UFOs, Bigfoot, and Shermer.
I'm so glad Eric is talking about this subject. When I first read the Times story and saw the military videos, I was shocked that it was business as usual the next day. What? How can we not be investigating this. No matter what this is we need to know. We should be getting our top SCIENTIFIC people on this.
I feel like its the same situation as 'ghosts'. Some people (most) prefer to quickly dismiss certain things that scares them.
@@vintageplanet9376
Do you believe in ghosts?
@@redmed10 not sure but im sure about the fact that strange things have been reported for thousands of years. I keep an open mind
@@vintageplanet9376
I believed in both when I was young, ghosts and UFO's. Gradually lost that belief as I got older. Mainly because of lack of proof. There are a lot of charlatans out there who make money and get fame by propagating these types of beliefs. I have come to look at why people believe these things rather than what they actually believe.
U need to do your own research on this subject. U need to get through all the fake news, debunkers with no education, you have to check FOI records, old CIA documents and understand who is telling the truth and who is part of the deep state that just want to brainwash civilians.
Mankind’s history is far more in-depth than what we have been told.
There was a civilization here that was more advanced than us that are no longer here. If you study Graham Hancock or Randy Carlson along with many more people then you’ll start to get the idea of what was here before us.
Good luck in your endeavours.
There are other forms of consciousness already here and have been for thousands of years.
ALL “debunkers” (who are not skeptics), just lightly skim over topics but still firm opinions which is very easy to pick apart. Most skeptics like Eric have great questions.
We really need to move past this and start contacting the other entities. Figure out the W-5’s.
I came here for EW, his combination of intelligence, wisdom and empathy is something I, personally, have never experienced. But I subbed for you and your content Dr. Brian. Please keep producing and Thank you.
I love your comment, thank you for adding to the community!
You realize Brian Keaton is just a skeptical skeptic? Like he is so bias he could be abducted and say it was just his mother....can you open your mind enough to see what is actually happening
The zoom function on the FLIR pod is NOT like a normal camera! At no point does the POD lose track of the object when zooming x2. This is a misconception by Shermer and Mick who know little about how these systems work. Speak to fighter pilots or technicians who work with them. Alternatively, load up DCS World Sim and fly the F/A 18 Hornet and learn to use the FLIR pod.
cool worlds debunk the recent sightings on YT. His guest shows how the technology creates these effects, artifacts and optical illusions.
Shermer doesn't care about details, never has.
you have never used a FLIR pod , dont act like an expert on them . Saying load up a retail product simulator and use one on there is a really bad argument. I played sims all my life and they are nothing like the real thing . Fun escapism yes , a real simulator , not even close. They simulate the plane ok for what they are but that's it. It's bordering on COD players who think they are experts on guns and combat.
@@gingerbill128 Eh, Fighter pilots use DCS World for training. Some air forces use it, included the US. And plenty of former fighter pilots on TH-cam can attest to its usefulness for procedural and systems training.
Two fighter pilots: "This is way better than the sims we use in the Navy": th-cam.com/video/wae9YzQXJAQ/w-d-xo.html
Again, you do some TH-cam searchers and Google searchers and you'll find fighter pilots comment on how good DCS World is. Yes, it's not perfect. Yes there are some features that are classified. But generally operating these systems is quite accurate.
And yes I do use the FLIR pod in the F/A-18 and use VR to fly in DCS Sim. Go and look at my channel. Thanks.
@@gingerbill128 After you checked out the video in my previous response, you should also look at: The publicly available extreme-fidelity air combat video game is so accurate that actual A-10 pilots are now using it to train.
thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40620/a-10-warthog-pilots-are-using-the-digital-combat-simulator-video-game-to-train-in-vr
And there are more examples.
Waiting on Mick West to blame it on swamp gas.
Tis hot air coming from his ego
He was the self-proclaimed "smartest kid in the entire school" when he was young, so obviously he can't be wrong.
😂👍
It's just gas. Stop eating beans.
I think it’s a swamp pelican this time. Innovative.
Weinstein bears an uncanny resemblance to the Eraserhead theatrical release poster.
Not relivent but ok...
@@Gavin-hg2kk *relevant. Correct spelling would add gravitas to your reply. But okay…
Brian, this is a marvelous debate. One remark about the technical aspect, a simple but important one: Please be sure that the volume of the sound of each party is at the same level. Thank you!
Having watched academic freedom as a mere high school English teacher steadily erode over the course of my twenty years in profession has been the worst part of my job. Hearing Eric rant against the like at the university level is always inspiring
As a nurse of 25+ years, on the short side of completing a NP degree, I feel the same way; except I am so repulsed by what I’ve witnessed with Covid, and then/now with this vaccine. I have lost all faith in medicine. In fact, I hear and see more integrity, values, and ethics from Ph.D’s. MD’s/medical community appear to be cowing down to threat’s instead of upholding our oath to “do no harm”. As a female, I did not grow up thinking about being drafted/having to fight in a war to protect my country, it’s values, humanity-but with every passing day, I welcome and frankly, am ready-it’s long past due; that.we the people unite and revolt every facet of this agenda being shoved down our education, healthcare, agriculture; everything seemingly reliant upon the government as a primary revenue source-the trend I keep circling back to is national gov’t involvement.
But Eric in his own academic arrogance, is part of that swamp.
@niles stone High school kids disagree, sir. Ask them. The loathe prefab curriculum, pacing guides, standardized testing, etc. They love it when they get to exercise a meaningful degree of control over the course of their own learning. They like being listened to in class discussions. This requires academic freedom at the “lowly” high school level
benlogan100 - Yes I feel the same
@@dannnunn4821 Please don’t tell me you are one of those antivax nurses. That would put everything else you said into question.
I gotta say, Eric Weinstein made a really powerful argument as to why this issue needs to be taken seriously. Bravo.
Thanks I agree with your thoughts
Elvin, would you consider our military “woo woo people”? Because they seem to be taking this issue very seriously.
@Elvin R You didn't answer the question. You clown.
@Elvin R "travel from another galaxy"
bad strawman bro
@Elvin R like a ghost of Kiev?
Shermer is so suspicious of everything, and everyone, except the military. He believes whatever they say.
I'm turning into a Eric Weinstein fan. He always offers a good perspective that leads to the fact that more data is available and needs to be released.
I just posted a comment,,,
Any thoughts from the Sts75 video?
@@peterfalcon9961you don’t have to write that you posted a comment when you post a comment, we know anyway because we can see it.
Learn how to decode Eric's shrouded comments.... It is all there but never right on the surface.
Me too
The volume levels on this were all over the place.
Yeah, it was awful!
“Brian, you are doing stuff that nobody is doing.” Eric put it so perfectly, and he I am sure intended this compliment on more levels than just the obvious one. Thank you for what you are doing, what you do matters!
That means so much to me. Thanks Robert
March 2023 I tuned into this on you tube and learned this is Brian's last podcast.
Sad ending to a great start..
Could you imagine a Trump/Weinstein 2024 run?
Thank you, for this intelligent, very much needed conversation. Another great Keating podcast!
No that's not why we have a Nuclear Triad Strategy. The triad assures MAD, it is a defense strategy.
Eric was brilliant and he was speaking plainly enough for me to follow him this time.
Still absolutely impossible for him to provide a direct answer with out all sorts of distractions and metaphors. It is so frustrating.
Boy is Eric is a hunk
1:00:00 - Technology
1:02:50 - Antigravity Programs dating back to the 1950s!
1:18:36 - Centralized Narratives!
1:28:15 - This is key! Well said!
That centralized narrative segment is so spicy!
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Thanks mate🇬🇧
Thanks Paul
Thank you Jeremy!
"Nobody has really figured out what generates the majesty of Jimi Hendrix"- what a fantastic statement, thank you Eric Weinstein.
Thanks
Indeed. This applies to Bob Marley as well I find, and to Jimmy Page.
really? most retarded false equivalence ive ever heard. but keep coping skeptics, its the smugness of your own sense of rightousness that keeps you alive after all
Talent and practice.
Michael Shermer - a professional skeptic. This says it all. His ability to be open minded about anything is 0.
People of sense, particularly scientists, are sceptical of everything.
Being a Skeptic doesn't mean you're closed minded at all. It's at the heart of the scientific method as well.
@@kevinmm20 , healthy skepticism is not just fine - it's necessary! But Mick West and Michael Shermer are compulsive debunkers! They often twist themselves into pretzels in order to explain away everything which doesn't fit into their fairly limited horizon, and unlike Eric Weinstein they are not willing to change their minds.
I am not at all sure what to think about the new revelations about UAPs. However, I am fairly sure that Mick West's explanations don't work, and Michael Shermer is too credulous as far as Mick West is concerned 😂.
Spoken like a true believer! Being skeptical is not the same as being close minded. In fact, believers are the ones who tend to be closed to new ideas.
I'm just s humble retired wood worker who was lucky enough to raise some very exceptional children and whenever I get to listen to your show with Eric I leave smarter and more hopeful that the world isn't going to burn down tomorrow.
The world burning is a wood worker’s worst nightmare.
Yeah Jason, if only the world were as crisp and sure as a good mortise and tenon joint and some hide glue…
Me too
Any nations worst enemy is apathy.
Idk. Michael's face was so blurry. I don't think we should jump the gun and assume he was there talking.
lol
Yeah, I’ve heard Michael Shermer exists, but the evidence that this could really be true is so fuzzy as to stretch credibility, special pleading if you will.
Do you think any of these guys will ever listen to experiencers? Not a chance. Do they realize most experiencers do not recognize entities they encounter as extraterrestrials, though some seem to be. Do they understand that there is far more evidence they haven’t bothered looking at; Eric says he has avoided this topic for many years “with ease”.
Hey, let’s have another pointless discussion about the Fermi Paradox which is eternally puzzled that the aliens should be here, but aren’t. May I suggest we stop avoiding this topic “with ease”, it would be good for Eric’s mood.
Best podcast around.
Micheal is a skeptogram. I’ve seen this before… more study is needed ;)
I'm a retired Navy cryptologist. In July of 2000, I was outside just after sunset when a "tictac" UFO passed over my parents' house at a slow jogging pace about 10 feet above the roof ridge. It was a cylinder about the length of two mini vans bumper to bumper and had rounded ends. There were no wings, engines, windows, or seams. It made no sound and gave off a soft bluish light, not unlike neon.
If it was one of ours , it is some next level $hit.
have you heard of the pais effect. i think the blue light is cherchov radiation. sorry i spelled it wrong, my area of expertise is quantum semiconductor theory
I only hope it's one of ours.
Like a blimp?
Yeah that was me m8
You were drunk.
LOVE the way you think and articulate your thoughts, Eric. Society is lucky to have you
Since you've had Mick West on you should do an interview with Chris Lehto, a former fighter pilot that has debunked Mick West's simulations. Perhaps having both of them on the podcast and debate each other would be interesting.
@Singularity yes, thirded ! and a Aegis radar engineer to do the math 2/3/4/5 SIGMA level calculation for multiple aegis radars to see the same 'dust' go hypersonic from still at 5000g ! IF its 5sigma , we can at least call them real signals
@@cryptolicious3738 Spot on.
@Elvyn Jones The opposite is true.
Fully agree. Chris highlights some key points that Mick doesn’t understand or just plain doesn’t know.
I appreciate Mick and have doubt he’s super sharp. However, he just doesn’t know a lot of factors and methods when it comes gauging these videos. This is where Chris comes in to explain the depth of knowledge and skill needed.
@@patrickl6932 Lehto's last debunk video destroys mick and exposes him for making a mundane error, one that clearly shows why mick shouldn't be speaking on flight physics and conditions until he takes some lessons to understand how the math and basics work first.
High resolution and clear photographs and videos assumes that the phenomena has no control over us capturing the images … That’s a very narrow-minded assessment for a genuine skeptic.
CHECKOUT THE BILLY MEIER PHOTOS,UFO,S OVER TURKEY,REPLETE WITH OCCUPANTS.THE RUSSIAN SKINNY BOB VIDEO & THE GULF BREEZE SIGHTINGS.ALL CLEAR PHOTOS & OR VIDEOS.
There is no reason to assume that the phenomena can control our ability to capture images. Sure, it's possible. But you haven't provided any evidence to think so. It's possible that leprechauns can erase my memory of having seen them. But it's more reasonable to assume that there's no such thing as leprechauns.
Dr Keating, your show is full of deeply interesting conversations by unique and brilliant guests....in fact, your show is so good that you almost (not quite, but almost) have a moral obligation to make sure the audio and visual quality of each show is top-notch. This was the first time I left your show without watching to completion, because the volume differential between you and your guests was too extreme. I'm sure you will fix this. Please fix this. Your show is fantastic and shouldn't lose views due to an overlooked production technicality. Also, look into the camera. Engage your audience instead of looking at the keyboard or off to the side of the screen. Notice Eric and Michael's rapt attention to the conversation. No looking away, or daydreaming, or monitoring something else. Take this as constructive criticism that is being offered ONLY because I love your show and want to watch it grow. Cheers!
I have fixed in subsequent episodes sorry
Could you imagine a Trump/Weinstein 2024 run?
I have NEVER seen Michael Shermer so quiet on any topic. Not a bad thing... I think it is just a testament to how brilliant and logical Eric Weinstein is that the guy who has something to say about everything has not much to say.
There's not a whole lot to say about something when there is zero real evidence. This whole topic is just fairy tales.
@@gomey70 lol @ you
@@gomey70Yes seriously, we have all of human history showing that people constantly make stuff up, constantly misidentify stuff, are imaginative and inventive... And incredibly prone to inventing the fantastical out of ordinary mundane experience... So what's more likely that this is more of the same? of people making up fairy tales?? or that this is really the great exception of actual extraterrestrials visiting us???
Seriously how likely is it that aliens would travel incredible distances under incredible painstaking effort and yet look very much like misidentified drones and misidentified tricks of photography?
I mean come on All the evidence says that advanced civilization level life is incredibly rare and incredibly fraught with potential disaster. The universe is not a hospitable place towards life and especially towards advanced multicellular life that can create technology. Just look into supernovas and all the potential devastation to life evolving to multicellular complexity... Yet we do know that people love to create fantastical stories. And we do it by the millions every year.
So guess what a trillion to one that this is just more fantastical stories that are not real
Mick West and Michael Schermer should start a band that does YES-covers, but call the band NO.
Thanks 👍😘🇸🇪
lol
Eric "Let's not let Mick drive the bus unless he wants to come on right now" Weinstein. Made my fucking day. Love you, Eric.
Wunderbar👍😂
Eric’s comment was so perfect!
I'm genuinely interested in this discussion but all I want to do is make comments about how 3 smart guys can't figure out basic audio mixing levels. Maybe uap videos are blurry because they are phasing in and out of alternate realities... Much like the audio of this podcast...
After listening to Eric for many sections, I still can't figure out what he is saying.
audio levels: 110%, 10%, 100%
With these guests you’d think he’d have it figured out by now ,
I'm sure Brian is aware and working on it. I'm inclined to be pretty forgiving considering the quality of these discussions. But it was jarring at times.
I didn't want to say anything but yes he needs to adjust his audio.
@@billlyons7024 brian is not aware of it: he botched the recent mick west interview the same way. he's gone full-boomer on this
We're not going to get much false humility from these guys & hey that's a good thing !!
Who needs FALSE humility and/ or modesty, even from an Arrogant know nothing
like SHERMER !!
Really gota hire someone to run the podcast so you can focus on the guest! And get the audio levels right lol
Seriously. The audio is killing me.
Complainers are complaining for the sake of complaining. Lame sauce if you are a complainer. Complaining really reveals how inadequate the complainer is concerning this. Such complaining about it 🙄.
Had to stop watching because the audio levels were so far off. Major fail.
Brilliant conversation. The value that somebody like Eric brings to these conversations cannot be overstated at this point.
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@@DrBrianKeating Eric's initial criticism of this topic and many others is one of framing the discussion and pointing out the relevant questions.
Personally I find that Eric can't seem to clarify these distinctions before getting muddled in an anecdote then distracted by another guest. I wish he could make a clear point and ask the most relevant question up front, without falling to the sides of this important task.
@Rob Bailey Brian's ghost account^
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“Maybe Bigfoot is Blurry, and that’s extra scary. There’s a large, out of focus Monster roaming the Countryside” - Mitch Hedberg
Maybe Bigfoot is stuck on a broken escalator. The big out of focus monster just isn't smart enough to realize the escalator simply turned into stairs.
R.I.P one of the greatest comics ever. Mitch gone too soon 🔥
All Shermer does is quote from books he's read, and Mick Wests cartwheels have been thoroughly debunked now
His comparison of the 90s area 51 interest and today's UAP discussions is dishonest.
As long as scientists are locked into a single criteria for evidence to discern facts or possible hypotheses, they’ll always end up having this blind spot about investigating the UAP phenomena.
Sometimes, scientists should be curious enough to seek out data as opposed to always sitting back asking for it. This is the difference between Avi Loeb and the scientists that the likes of Schermer represents.
"What incident?"
"When?"
"I'm sorry I'd have to do some research on it"
- Michael Shermer
It’s distressing so many people take the media at mostly face value and trust in what displays. I applaud these fellas for having a realistic view devoid of fantasy. It is important to dream, learn and practice empathy in your affairs regarding ones interactions with others in the field. Opinion and views can/will change as we learn, teach and discover.
As a skeptic I'm getting really tired of the 'cameras wre everywhere but why are the images always blurry' argument. Have you ever tried to snap a picture of the moon with your phone? It usually comes out to be a low resolution blurry mess. The moon subtends about 0.5° in the sky, and it is still a few orders of magnitude larger of what these supposed UAPs are said to be. Just because there are cameras everywhere doesn't mean the resolution or capture quality is very high. Sure, phones are everywhere, but how many people do you see with a Nikon P1000 in their pocket?
Agree completely. This is a weak argument that should be discounted.
So why do we keep hearing that "the navy has been spotting these objects for WEEKS on end...." Maybe bring your iphone and take a video. EVERY DAY FOR WEEKS? GTFOH
Thank you
@@patrickl6932 Maybe because these incidents being discussed happend 10-20 years ago. and you want to film a moving object while flying in a fighter jet. what do you think that footage wouldve looked like? Probably grainy and blurry. also, if you see the same thing everyday why bother filming it? the Plane camers already captured it.
@@FamousGSE28 An infrared camera "captured' the so-called tic tac. Many other Navy pilots and operators claimed to have tracked these objects for WEEKS on end... Not one photo? GTFOH
Shaming Shermer never pays attention. Fraver has told us what those numbers on the screen meant play by play.
yeah but Fravor didn't do any math
@@alquinn8576 fravor didn't do math? come on man. if you are denying this phenomenon, at this point it's only out if ignorance or personal bias. Even Obama has given validity to this subject.
@@alquinn8576 so pilots who have to navigate, constantly making calculations and adjustments for direction, vector, speed, acceleration, deceleration, temperature, altitude, engine rpm, torque, air pressure, weather conditions, radar, communications, etc. aren't doing the math?! What kind of fantasy world do you and schmucker live in lol? It's one thing to be a skeptic for the sake of science but downright ignoring and avoiding information is a whole other motivation.
@@justintaylor2938 yeah and when i drive my honda civic around a banked curve in the road, i am doing classical mechanics in my head?
@@alquinn8576 where talking about general math not classical mechanics and theres a big difference driving in a 2 dimensional plane vs 3d airspace lol.
They dismissed eye witness testimony, the videos were not great but these things could shift with no sonic boom. The most superior Radar equipment with a witness had them moving at 23,000mph, dropping thousands of feet in under a second. The sceptics slating the grainy video and the sound and picture was duff on their podcast. Smart guys that are so out of place discussing the topic,,, get up to speed on the subject or your condescending comments mean nothing.
Thank you Brian for a great debate. Eric hit a home run while Michael got a walk to first. What has always fascinated me were radar confirmed UFO sightings through the decades. From the famous Washington sightings in 1952, to the Belgium incident on March 30, 1990 and the declassified 2004 USS Nimitz event, we have several radar confirmed reports of UFOs doing things that we can't .
"Obscure scientists" is a very arrogantly “ACADEMIC” term. DATA, DATA, DATA!!! How about you guys get off your high horses and investigate to resolve the mystery via simple scientistic curiosity. DATA doesn’t guide curiosity when an event, albeit uncontrollable, but repeated independently from scientific control. Scientists will need to adapt and be creative to the phenomena as opposed to the other way around.
"Why is Mick West anywhere in the story?" -Eric Weinstein
The most valid question of the century, thank you!
Because he offers rational explanations based on facts and reasoning?
@@LoneWolfDion *Based on a hand-picked subset of the available data.
He does not explain all the data and does not even have close to all data.
There's none from the incidents that say this is BS. None.
But believe an armchair debunker rather than real experts.
@@ethereummining3943 who are the real experts which have presented all the data and rational explanations. Is that not the point? Mick West uses data that's available on the screens of the videos that were released. How is he suppose to come up with an explanation with unavailable data?
@@LoneWolfDion Those that have the data (USG/Pentagon/Navy), those that have received the UAP-briefing, those that actually encounter these (not sitting behind a computerscreen googling) say that there's a real phenomenon that needs to be understood.
Did you miss that?
@@LoneWolfDion Oh, btw. You just answered the question... "How is he suppose to come up with an explanation with unavailable data?": HE'S NOT, he should not participate by drawing most likely false conclusions. Just STFU and wait. He can speculate, like the rest of us. But he's not open to being wrong in the slightest.
Shermer's hypothetico-deductive inference ("if military pilots are seeing UAP everyday, then everyone else should be seeing them just as frequently.") is problematic. It assumes there is no intentionality behind the phenomenon to be scene by military personnel. We cannot use that assumption as a premise to argue for mundane explanations.
It’s frustrating while listening to this, I’m noticing, that this panel isn’t privy to Commander Fraver breaking down the tic tac videos data showed on that radar screen in his Rogan Podcast, and others I believe. Taking Fraver’s word on it of course, it appears pretty cut and dry.
Fravor and his wingman ( woman) said they saw a 40 ish foot “ white propane tank” object with no wings and no signs of propulsion react to them and disappear. What would Would they say to that? They were confused ? All four crewman? Then another pilot goes out and gets FLIR of the thing. Come on guys.
We dont what they saw. All we know is what they think they saw. If you've ever seen the Braingames series on National Geographic Channel, it becomes very clear to you how your own mind can cause you to see things that are not there, or see things the incorrect way, with naturally occurring optical illusions. Something that was 2 inches long might have been misinterpreted as "40 feet" long, due to the lack of perspective when flying over the featureless open ocean
. I've done plenty of mushrooms and acid, so I know what it's like to experience illusions, and sometimes full blown hallucinations, depending on the lighting in a room. So I'm not wildly impressed by two people saying that they briefly saw something weird while they were flying in jets at 700 miles per hour over the sea.
Even if we assume that they DID in fact see something real, then what they saw was most likely a hologram or some other form of classified technology being tested on the two pilots by the naval high command.
Finally, there is always the possibility that the story is simply fabricated, and that the two pilots are Naval intelligence officers, and are part of a propaganda effort against the American public by the u.s. government.
Aliens travelling across the galaxy to troll navy pilots for a few seconds is about a one in a trillion chance. There are thousands of more likely explanations. 500 years ago, people used to see "angels" and jesus everywhere. And ghosts and spirits. aliens are the modern version of those sightings
@@stevencoardvenice all four minds were this confused? Enough to go public with it ? To testify in Congress? Man I don hi I so
@@dougg1075
Watch that brain series on national geographic. It doesn't matter how many people. Everyone is fooled, that's the point.
Anyway, I mentioned several other explanations as well, besides optical illusions, such as some type of deception or propaganda by the navy against its own officers
@@stevencoardvenice No one is saying we have to accept fully what the pilots saw. The problem is complete dismissal because it’s a eyewitness report. It allows you to discount it all and say “oh we don’t need to pay attention to this.” That’s ridiculous. Their story is compelling enough to take seriously, and when coupled with the other sensor data, and radar operator testimony…….how can’t you be curious to find out what’s going on???
Shady navy war games
Michael Shermer needs a deep dive into the vast amount of UFO footage available online. He seems almost dogmatic in his skepticism. A fallen hero of mine
no. MS needs to believe what is obviously not true.
Have you seen JRE 962? Same shit.
It's all blurry nonsense. Just stop.
@@babaka3278 Sounds like you're just upset that MS doesn't believe that aliens are here flying around in space ships.
@@babaka3278 Your post is nonsense. Back it up, coward. Give one example.
Mr. Shermer is blurrier than the UFOs
These men all seriously underestimate the impact this new tech will bring. The science and materials exist on earth. It isn’t very expensive overall. So if this tech gets out Lockheed Martin loses its cash cow as its propulsion systems are made obsolete. Lockheed Martin made more money than any other private contractor last year! They have no reason to let this tech out into the world!
If you don't open your mind to the posibilities, you will never discover them.
"It wasn't a weatherballoon, it was a weatherballoon"... The crash test dummies were dropped like 5 years after Roswell.
How can Shermer not know this?
@James Wimer That's not what he said. He named 5 other people not in the conversation that could potentially look at the data. But his point is really: release the data for everyone to look at and draw conclusions from.
@@ethereummining3943 Eric wants Ed Witten to work on this. Not sure why. High school geometry is more than enough to test various claims made by the pilots.
I think Roswell is likely garbage but dropped a dummy from 10,000s of thousands of feet to see what happens. That’s frankly stupid to believe they would do that.
Because he doesnt want to see it. His financial security depends on his stance.
Shermer, like many people, points to cellphone cameras. If you have ever tried to take a video, zoomed in, of a distant object you will find they are all blurry and of poor quality. These cameras aren't not made for such things. They are made to take photos and video at relatively close distances
Scientific Journals need to start publishing negative results. Then I'll have more faith. I work in the sciences and help to publish data professionally. There's a lot of crap out there and we cannot even write up how wrong we are when it happens. It's all spin for the next grant.
I smoked a few joints, got fuzzy vision and I thought Dr keating was lex friedman for a second or three 😊
Anyone who was even moderately curious and willing to do some digging is *not* surprised by the reality of "the phenomenon" bubbling up into visibility (and therefore finally becoming fair game for serious discourse in polite, serious company). I say this as a critical thinking fan, career physical chemist and at least moderately well-established research scientist. I admire Dr. Weinstein's logic and openness here. With a bit more reading, perhaps some of J. Vallee's books, perhaps field notes from NIDS, he will soon be within range of getting all the corners of the sheet to fit. At that point, I think the field will benefit greatly from the clarity of his voice (unless he completely loses patience with the ufo community...for which i would not blame him).
Explain what you mean. I’m not very smart
Yeah it’s really annoying that so many of the people actually interested in and working in the subject make so many assertions with zero evidence to back it up.
Good point, J. Curtis. But the UFO community is hardly a community at all. If they were a community, they’d probably have moved this issue forward a couple decades ago. I’m on their side, though. There do seem to be other intelligences of some sort in our midst. It’s more than just speculative. And it’s not about belief. We really ought to look at this with both eyes, and stop whistling in the dark.
J. Curtis, it's a pity that Eric Weinstein only started very recently to acknowledge certain phenomenons and observations. Oh, well - better late than never. Unlike most professional hyper-sceptics he is willing to change his mind! And yes, he definitely should have a long conversation with Jacques Vallee, who has a great mind and who is by no means uncritical. Many UFO believers are not aware that Vallee changed his mind about the extraterrestrial origins of certain phenomenons many decades ago. And he also acknowledges that we should not underestimate that many governments engage in clandestine disinformation campaigns. Yes, Eric Weinstein should definitely consult Jacques Vallee!
The argument that because people have cameras in their pockets they should be able to take clear pictures of things in the sky is completely bogus. Whenever I see an interesting bird in my yard and take a picture it is never even remotely as clear or interesting as I hoped it would be. Never. Unless you are taking a picture of an object that covers a big part of the phone camera frame and it is well illuminated, phone camera pictures are almost always underwhelming.
EXTREMELY engaging exchange by three VERY brilliant thinkers! Thank you all!!!
Thank you too!
They completely ignored the fact that the "zooming object" was seen on radar "zooming"a week before the Fravor incident. Two of the radars were recalibrated and still showed the same tracks. This was seen by a halicoptor also. These objects did amazing things on radar, then Fravor was sent out... They're focusing on the video...
I love this! Two of my favorite people talking about my favorite thing! Thank you Brian!
You’re welcome!
thank you for fixing the volume!!
you can say pilots make errors of perception but that ignores the fact of the radar data that backs their claims up.
So true. This is a common trait of these supposed “debunkings”; ignore the facts that don’t fit their narrative.
Dr. Keating, can you get Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program on your show?!
I think it's an ancient terristeral entity of some kind
Eric is the only guy out there essentially asking for more physics. What a mad world.
I think you are mot following physics closely. All physicists know our theories aee incomplete and some are working on solutions and Grand theory reconciling gravity and quantum mechanics. Howevrt this is very difficult to solve and people have not cracked it yet.
He's welcome to come up with some himself.
Wonderful to hear these topics discussed without hyperbole.
Love the show but Brian please improve your audio I can barely hear you.
He changes it midway through, so we can barely hear anyone except him.
Mick West thanks for the lack luster debunking that ever person directly involved has said his conclusions are not relative.
Is he suggesting we could have recorded these crafts with our cell phones
Audio could use some work, maybe do a test before broadcast to adjust the mics. I love this conversation. Thank you for hosting this.
It'd be mind-boggling if tech associated with UAP helped confirm the fascinating theoretical work made by Eric on Geometric Unity.
Shermer bothers me. He seems so dismissive. When Eric talks about taking UFOs seriously and not just stick our heads in the sand... He's indirectly pointing the finger at Shermer, who is the biggest advocate for head in the sand dismissal of even the most creditable cases like those that disrupt our nuclear weapons. Shermer's M.O. is to make fun of the topic with little green alien dolls. In my view his defiant attitude does a disservice to the serious research of the UFO phenomena.
They could prove him wrong tomorrow. They won't though.
This is a description of any debunker. That's what they get followers and money from. Telling (some) people what they want to hear. The most comfortable reality. But guess what; Reality is what it is, and the truth will get out sooner or later.
Shermer has no idea what he's talking about when he brings up the zoom function no the FLIR pod. At no point should the pod lose track of an objection when you zoom. It does not operate like a normal camera in that way. If he truly wants to understand this, he ought to speak to fighter pilots or someone who works on these pods. Or he can load up DCS World flight sim and operate the FLIR pod with the F/A 18 C Hornet.
@@ethereummining3943 Actually it's more profitable to propagandise than to debunk.
@@reinforcedpenisstem Ask Thunderf00t. He gets away with calling Go Fast a duck, and got almost 1 million subscribers. Anyone can say what people want to hear, but it's not ideal if you want to find the real truth IMO.
The Philippine dwarf kingfisher (known to science from the 19th century) was photographed for the first time in 2017. The photographs came from a decade-long expedition by a team of researchers. Imagine if people in 2016 were saying "If the Philippine dwarf kingfisher existed we would have hundreds of thousands of clear photographs of them by now." Worse is that a science expedition had to take these photos and not amateur bird enthusiasts. "Why should we fund a research expedition to get information about a bird which doesn't exist?"
I'm a skeptic also but to rely on the NY Times for responsible reporting is ludicrous.
Another interesting and enjoyable podcast, thanks Brian. Sorry I didn't make the live broadcast.
Thanks Jim! Have a great weekend!
Loved it, thank you for your work and dedication to bring this discussions to the general public. Warm salut from Portugal
Thanks as always my friend
Amazing conversation as always.
Are they saying that corruption can happen anyone, including their institutions....no, say it ain't so. I think honesty needs to be enforced and not begged. Eric is right on, release the damn data . Shermer's even keel perspective is a must as well. Great work to you all
not much data to release
It’s your honesty and integrity that has kept you out of the loop. The military industrial complex would love to have your brain at their service, but it’s your personalities that they don’t want to deal with.
Omg it’s the holy trinity of podcasters talking about the holy grail of topics
Holy Trinity, holy moly.
Not even the Holy TRINITY's altar boys, helpers, or secretary's.
Having had my own personal experience i started thinking a lot about this issue. I feel like there has been good reason for the powers that be to keep things quiet. The implications of some other intelligence lifeforms will change our relationship with ourselves, technology, the planet as well as our new neighbors. This seems to me to be such a destabilizing event that no power structure would want to do it for fear of bringing down the whole house of cards.
But they will do it. It’s being orchestrated
The scale of the Universe is hard to comprehend it's practical to assume most of our species believes life exist elsewhere.
Not to mention religion
This is a widespread thought
@@tearlelee34 And impractical (read: improbable) that any of it would be close enough in the vastness of spacetime to make contact. Moreover, belief is not particularly relevant to reality.
With the aspect of incremental technological growth, there should also be an importance placed on exponential growth factors. At some point technologies start to influence the speed of development of other technologies. Meaning a, "Big Leap", in technological advancement is not unlucky. Nor is it mathematically impossible, or improbable.
Sometimes listening discussions on UFOs and the paranormal keeps me sane from the present mainstream reality. Feels like the 90s again!
15:00 - 19:00 EW nails it... THAT the data exists, HOW it exists, and WHERE it's kept, is what's important to discuss here. That has the potential to reshape the zeitgeist. He also makes a great quick point for listeners, especially 'ufologists', to take to heart for their own mental health (imo): "I desperately want to meet aliens..." but there's other stuff in the world worth caring about!
Yes, but at the same time, we need obsessed people in every field. They're the ones who usually make breakthroughs.
It's really not. Two completely different topics.
One problem; most if these discussions are mostly about recent years and the USA but there is so much more than this.
I know right? How the discussion came off to me was of 2 people who are trying to make the facts fit their conclusions and thus limiting any serious consideration and immediate dismissal of glaring other facts. Smugly ignoring countless credible testimonies and falling back on “Occams Razor” like its some how a law of nature. If Occam’s razor was a law and determined the progression/direction of scientists, then we would have stopped with Newton and everyone would have dismissed/ignored Einstein the way keiting and shurmer do to anyone who makes any claims about UFO’s. Eric is making a good faith appeal to a scientific approach to the topic when a lot of the data is fuzzy and you can see how defensive they get and the gymnastics they’re doing to not address the fundamental question Eric’s asking. One example being, what does the incompetence of the pentagon have to do with the evidence that UFO’s are real? Or what does it matter the motives behind the writers of the NYTimes column have to do with the facts behind the events? It’s like Eric is playing checkers and they are playing pick up sticks.
@@Ismith019 Absolutely agree and yeah; Ockham's Razor, it's like it fell from heaven for some [people.
Doesn’t appear skeptics are needed on this topic anymore.
I think what we have here is the rapid advancement we had up till the 50’s was intentionally stopped by fixing society in place with an artificial status quota. Science advancements were buried to limit competition.
Eric Weinstein keeps saying that nobody bothered to contact the scientific community about these subjects, but has he ever spoken to Dr. Eric Davis aout this ? as he's been very vocal about his activities (and that he wasen't alone working on them)
Hearing Eric touching on aspects of our society throughout this makes me depressed about the state of the world... Lol. Great content though I agree with Eric. What you're doing is great and nobody does it.
"The danger of housing weaker subjects next to strong subjects".
"Low quality images". That's strange since these are taken by the airforce using some of the most sophisticated eqipment deviced by man. Equipment that is designed to let the airforce positively spot and follow anything and everything within their airspace. They lock onto real, physical objects that are there, that are able to manoeuvre in ways and with a speed that we have no clue on how to replicate. And finally, when the military and mainstream media are actually willing to openly talk about it these snobs complain about it. They have been smirking and ridiculing people who have been talking about this for decades and now when actual, credible information hits mainstream they are irritated about it and tries to twist the whole issue into something political.
A thermal camera has nothing like the resolution of an optical camera. Still a valid question…
good talk fellas. you're leaving me with more to think about
I enjoy listening to Eric, but by no means would he be healthy in political office. He does not believe that citizens should have the say so
I think four trains pilots can tell that something is a plane or looks like a tic tac. These pilots and technology are good enough to keep them alive and to protect us. But they describe what they see and it's not believed?
A deluge of evidence supporting the existence of UAPs, credible eye witness testimony, military recordings, purported crashes and recovered debris, etc…
Shermer: “the residue problem”
Dr. Keating, Please stop playing with the video during the podcast. It's distracting and it gives the impression that you're not listening. Great podcast though, and thank you for your work.
Would love. To hear these 3 gentlemen discuss California's attempt to reduce advanced math education to all because it is not attainable by all.
I'm sceptical on the quality of Michael's camera and/or wifi
If a UFO attacks Manhattan, understand that it isn't aliens.