We are flooded with "knowledge" these days, yet we are starving for "wisdom". Very few role people have the prudence to pick out the TRUTH from the vast amount of information out there. You, Jordan, are one of these few. And for that, we are immensely grateful. On behalf of everyone Jordan, thank you.
I'm not in a position to get back to university, but I get free education from these videos which are a valuable and time-saving alternative to studying. Thank you Dr.Peterson.
@@AFringedGentianf you can get through that wear the honor for what is. Suffering through a track that is not what it used to be. One that speaks of wealth, or ability to fulfill the metrics over several years. What you learn is convenient and can be quite enlightening. But it’s largely trappings so others know you are part of the club. And that’s critical. Just now poor all around for measuring much else. I guess grad school is for more, but really people waste massive sums of money for not much there. Consuming and applying knowledge like this is where you can find your true meat. Over 10 years how will that have compounded? Hopefully we’ll if done right.
@@donnasherwood283that’s a very good question. Perhaps we get our beliefs elaborated upon and validated. In other words, our egos get inflated. Even though I know this, I keep watching these conversations.
@@michaelg1569 thanks i cannot say they lack merit but in the case of some of those invited by Dr. Peterson I believe the word "discernment" fits quite nicely. My issue with JP is his idiom is entirely too complex and technical he should work in structuring a presentation starting with a more streamlined and concise opening and progress from there. these talks appear to be aimed at doctoral students. Another issue is he verbose and has a tendency to go off on tangents. Stream of consciousness seems apt. academic speak but nowhere near as bad as many others with their neologisms, verbosity and abstruseness. I have been stunned to observe how our un and undereducated population have followed him. we live among those who pepper speech with "likes" every few words into a sentence.
Psilocybin saved my life . I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September . I have zero cravings . This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment .
Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression ... The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself ... I used antidepressants for some years but it only made me feel like a zombie but with immediate use of mushroom in few months I feel like I'm living a whole new Life .
I have researched and found out that shrooms are very helpful , it has really helps to reduce anxiety and depression . I would love to try magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some , Is there any realiable source I can purchase one
I was having this constant , unbearable anxiety because of stress. Not until I also came across Dr.Mile a very intelligent mycologist. He came through for me with his knowledge on psychs.
I’m feeling the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety level. I am so glad to be part of this community.
I do microdose on shrooms and other psychedelics and I can say it has improved my daily attitude. I'm more focused and feeling less trauma. I don't do it just for the trips, take a mini dose to ease my brain receptors. I can confirm that I have had some of the most profound mind bending experiences a human can have in their lives.
I hope someone that reads my comment finds this useful in some way. For context, I am an adult male that has experienced childhood trauma added with the the increasingly common absent father. These things had left me with emotional "impairments" from childhood that became more obvious and hindering as I got older. I was going through the darkest time in my life a few months ago. I was a dead man walking, literally. I was at the point of ending it all, the cowardly easy way out. I was desperate to find anything but having experienced drug use in my 20's I knew that was not the path of truth and enlightenment. Long story short, I ended up trying psilocybin a few months ago. I don't know how to explain it properly but all I can say is I woke up the next morning like a new person. I felt a calmness, I got up from bed and looked around me and felt peace, gratitude, and love. Love for myself and things around me. The things that might have aggravated me before now make me smile and shrug off. It was like a switch was flipped in my mind while I slept after my experience with psylocibin. I didn't even take enough to have a deep trip! But I was changed somehow, all the anxiety, depression, anger and resentment vanished completely. Even now when I explain it, it doesn't sound real. But all I can say is it literally saved my life. So if you're reading this, don't give up, no matter how hard it may seem. There is hope! I've been listening to Jordan for 4 years but sometimes we need something that makes a change internally. Words aren't enough for some of us when our mind is broken.
Hey, and thank you for sharing this. - I know exactly, what you are writing here. I wish your life will be well from now on to the future. - Greetings from Finland -
For a year I used psilocybin I didn't tell a single person in my life, I waited untill my spouse (military) was on a 6 month overseas job, Nobody knew but me, That way I could record my experience without outside biases , I took it 3 days on 3 days off and a 2 to 3 week break every 5 weeks , It completely eradicated my ocd It completely eradicated all auditory and visual hallucinations It stabilised my mood to the point where people close to me were pulling me aside and letting me know they see a huge postive change in me, My social anxiety was massively reduced, My paranoia was massively reduced, It completely eradicated my underlying want to drink achohol (even though I would only drink mabey once a year I always had a feeling or need to think about it) I was able to remember an incredible amount of repressed memory's starting within the first week ! It has changed my life and in turn It has changed my children's lives I have stopped contact with my toxic family, I have seperated from my spouse I have never been as healthy Mentally or physically, I cannot recommend it enough for people such as myself Who have experience trauma with a capital T as they say, It has helped my "wake up" I know that there is a danger in unearned wisdom, but as a jump start in a controlled environment I think psilocybin could be life changing.
I have been diagnosed with depression since I was a child. October first 2022 I did a ton of mushrooms to get high. Ended up spirit traveling and when I woke I was different. My depression was completely gone. Still gone to date and I'm living my life
Nice! I always love to hear when shrooms help. May I share? As well? I did a cap and stem together. Nothing big, just wanted to test the material. The maxim of the high was like a dream state, it was that spot just before falling asleep. In my imagination, I watched this deeper part of me taking the wall covers off to reveal hundreds of nervous system paths, they were all tangled together and when an emotion would erupt it would fire through those other ideals as collateral too. Where it was like yours is that when I became sober, I didn't have to contemplate the truth.l, I just felt it within and the depression was non-resonant. Only side effects was, that I felt like I was in the matrix again. I saw everybody's programming. I reintegrated after a few days. Minus that crippling pain. Thanks for reading.
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I use Dr. Peterson for a litany of audio/visual information in my men's specific wilderness based wellness and recovery program here in the united states Pacific Northwest, the astronomical improvement I've seen in my guys livelihood and demeanor who take part in "Silliboi" assisted therapy and micro dosing is absolutely astonishing. The amount of trauma in this world that men hold is extremely daunting and unfathomable in it's extent. The exponential growth that the therapy and mding ushers in is more than anything I have ever seen in any other formal intent, it's really too bad that the war on consciousness has become an offensive anti-wellness front for the US government and it's lackeys. I applaud all who continue research and are pioneering plant medicine alternatives, given to us by our creator, to further our wellness as a whole. GOOD ON YOU. 🙌🙏🙌
The secret in my marriage about who should change was this. I prayed about it. I asked God to help me change how I responded to the problem. As I changed me, God worked on him. Oh praise the Lord for that wisdom. Our marriage turned around and we loved each other again.
I have a lot to thank Joe Rogan for. Got into his podcast as a 22 year old MMA fan with no interest in academia (or so I thought). I'm now 31 and can't believe cage fighting led me through a ripple effect from Rogan, to people like Peterson and ultimately Nietzsche. Crazy.
I took the road less travelled, dropping out of uni, but privately studying intellectual topics (I assume to make up for my academic failures), then fairly recently discovering Joe Rogan, who has opened up a whole new slew of people to listen to and things to study! Joe is an extremely valuable individual, not least through the Covid debacle. His influence is incalculable.
@@tomwinterfishing9065 I came from a working class family in the north of England, and education post 16 years old stopped when I became a young father. As I got older, I found myself craving intelligent conversation and knowledge and Joe's podcast was where I found it. I now rarely listen to his podcast, as there's so much more media now for me to consume but I'll forever be grateful. Without Joe, I would be a completely different person now as an adult and father.
I loved sports and played football my whole life. But I was always also into science and philosophy very much. Kind of a a weird mixture of nerd and jock. But Rogan was everything I hoped for. The most brilliant minds conversing in depth. It's a free education and more
As a student studying psychotherapy and trying to get into the field of psychadelic-assisted psychotherapy, these lectures are so amazing. Obsessing over psychedelics as a profound pharmacological aspect of therapy I can say for sure within the coming years the future of mental health depends on it. Imagine combining therapeutic approaches like CBT and client-centered therapy with the use of psychedelics. It would be so amazing not only for the client but for the therapist to learn new methods of practice !!! Thank you for the informative content Dr. Peterson. P.S I use a lot of your thoughts and philosophical explanations of the world in my work as a student and will continue to use them in my work as a therapist in the future. Also, i would love to hear anyone's experience of using psychedelics and how it helped or did not help them in their mental health process, this would help me a lot as a student learning about what types of experiences create transformations in individuals. Thank you !!!
Thx for your sharing. Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, do you just rely on doctors for spiritual treatment such as hallucinations? There may be some effect, but the patient may not be completely cured
I had the opportunity of being able to experience the world through the LSD lens. I learned much more through this experience than from any other conscious experience. Experiences and lessons that are unobtainable through natural means.
Its The agenda behind it. Just like energy (Green. And basically all of The industries). The corps pushing it for control cus public school isnt 100% anymore. Too many outliars. Look up matthew north, he got killed exposing them. J rogan etc. And their criminal drug comedians business and agenda promoting. Personally i have nothing against free will and the use of natural products. Unfortunately ud be Lucky to get weed thats actually a whole other type of strain. Not fundamentalt changed by montsanto just to make profits and control of The plants structure. Their total reign of seeds and modified, unhealthy food. The seed and farming industry totally over run and corrupted. Well, hope People will research it and for ones not just swallow and look The other Way.
I've used mushrooms (liberty caps) on and off for years. I'm rather prone to depression, holding onto inconsequential issues and wallowing in a certain amount of gloom. I also suffer from needing/seeing(?) too much structure in all aspects of life, possibly due to autism, dunno really. Mushrooms give me a way to step out from my own narrow reality, let go of all the accumulated shite and treat myself as someone I'm willingly helping which has helped immensely with getting my priorities straight.
I'm a 24 years old male who had been strugling with trichotollimania for the probably last 14 years, just 11 days ago, I went to Amsterdam to use magic truffles to cure it. After using it i felt like i was reborn and the stress that was making me pull out my hair is almost totally gone.
1:32:00 Alien possession, I can absolutely relate to this in a large dose I had recently. It felt as though the mushroom had spread itself across my sensory array because it was seeking to experience the existence of what had consumed it. I had very sad traumatic thoughts coming up, which the mushroom 'entity' was trying to communicate that I should just laugh them off and be happy. I could not, and thought that this 'entity' doesn't understand the implications of my thoughts, and the associated pain. It was really cool actually. It then populated my lungs and reprimanded me for smoking not in words but making them burn to a worrying amount; quitting was one of my intentions for the trip, which I did do successfully the next day (although it wasn't just out of the blue, I had been preparing and weaning for months).
I’ve been interested in JP for about 3 years now, and what keeps me fascinated is he seems to have a calling to explore the potential of what could be. I think he’s comfortable with not knowing , which makes him a great information explorer.
Maybe ask DailyWire+ to insert advertisements between conversation segments, rather than between question and answer? I understand that the advertising is part of the deal, but it's difficult to hold complex multi-part questions in my head while the conversation is suspended for an advertising insert. Great conversation, and thanks for continuing to make your content freely available to the world. I feared it would all disappear behind a paywall, but you seem to have worked out a deal that benefits everyone.
5:30 ; 11:00 unconscious - implicit category system to perceive the world through; in the structures that goern perceptual categories 13:15 rebirth 16:54 neuropharmacologically inducing effects post-stress. it's interesting bc meditation is like a baseline psychedelics experience and all these ppl. like Wim Hoff basically say they can in duce physiological responses via breathing exercises that make you "high on your own supply." 20:40 hyper-stress response and re-inducing awe in perception 28:10 very interesting, so there's no inhibiton 48:30 and maybe this refers to "letting go" 1:10:44 play 1:12:30 meditators 1:13:55 psychedelics put play in the system 1:22:00 serotonin 1:33:00 risk of psychedlics 1:46:30 self-entropic theory
One major problem is personal efficacy. Psychology often only focuses on internal thoughts and beliefs and not the efficacy of the individual. A lot of stress can be generated by the external world if one is incompetent or struggling to manage the external world. This can be both an individual and societal problem. The extremes on both sides blame either the individual or the society but psychology often focuses solely on the individuals perspective and self beliefs which can be a waste of time or ignoring the serious external problems the individual needs solved. I think this happens because a lot of times the external problems are difficult if not impossible to solve and it's easy to analyze a person's thoughts and provide interpretations of their beliefs and perspectives that can give them a re-frame but will not hold in an onslaught of external problems if they aren't given new abilities or knowledge that can help them solve the external problems and become more efficacious.
The stress is, in part, due to our schizophrenic society. To be able to face and survive in this world, one must be, to some degree, aggressive, or at least fight for a place in it. This means, you will often need to beat and compete with others. But society, frowns on competition, frowns on men competing and becoming dominant. Simultaneous they frown on incels, products of a society putting males in a social straightjacket. In a world where you are damned if you do and damned if you don't, the stress (and hopelessness) prevails.
@GaslitWorld f. Melissa B Glad to hear it! I was in the same boat for quite a while and still am though as my economic situation improved so did my mental health. And as my financial situation gets worse it becomes harder and harder to not fall back into addictions and self destructive behaviors/attitudes despite all the psychological tricks I have learned and progress I've made.
I agree. I was raised by psychopaths, narcissists, paedophiles and their enablers. School was a nightmare, up to and including university level (I dropped out due to sexual threats!) I married young, had children young all the time striving for safety and sanity. All the time under constant attack from my family of origin. Decades later (2 decades of therapy later) I still struggle with issues of poverty, complex ptsd, marginalisation, societal abuse etc etc. especially at this time of the year(Christmas period which is a huge trigger!) I healed immensely after the majority of my enemies died by natural attrition. But I still have a long way to go. I am currently 57. Sometimes it seems hopeless but I have created a life for myself even under worse circumstances. Miracles do happen. I am still a work in progress. I have never partaken of psychedelics ie dmt, psylocybin, lsd) which are purported to heal cptsd. So I watch these debates with speculative interest.
@@tdarons I'm sorry you had to go through that and it seems like you have done well for yourself despite the unfair and traumatizing life you have survived. It is clear from people like you that not all people have the same difficulty level in this 'game' called life. I am interested in psylocybin and lsd for healing as well though I have done mushrooms before and had some awful trips. I think it was because I didn't have the right 'set and setting' and also hadn't done enough inner work. I'm still skeptical of doing it again unless I had someone to help guide me through it I trusted due to my psychology being somewhat paranoid. I think it's a great tool though and could be useful for many in the right circumstances. But it's always good to remain skeptical especially when the claim is a one time cure.
@@johnsmithers8913 Males are set to aggressive state by the Females, so we are sacrificed to the predator along with the children whilst mum runs away Biology is grown by the feminine and all biology copies the feminine, all the masculine has is its imaginary temporary constructed mental game The Masculine is destined to do nothing but watch the sky's for meteor strikes , Whilst she biology gets on with everything else, The feminine can never stop, understand ? The masculine does nothing at all, But the Slavers, now they created a different mind set altogether so encompassing and vast most never see their are a slave And the master wants you busy So creates the imaginary imagined accountable to the master "I" or sense of individuality (where there is none) And holds that "I" to task
Re: Rebirth - so, rough childhood, by the time I got to my 20's I had a lot of issues with how I viewed myself and how I interacted with others. I started using mushrooms and each session was a hyper-real first person training video..."look, this is what you said to this person...this is how it made them feel", I could feel what the other person felt...I was shown the consequences of my behaviour...this happened over and over and over. It wasn't all bad - after each lesson I was shown funny things, so each session had me laughing then crying then laughing then crying. Mushrooms are absolutely the thing I needed to straighten me out...once the very rough edges of my character were resolved, we started to shift gradually in to more spiritual matters, for want of a better term. I used the drug over a period of 30 years...then they asked me stop and suggested I take up yoga. So I did. When I say that the mushrooms were "life-changing"...it doesn't come close to capturing the positive influence they had on my life.
I'd like to thank Dr. Carhart-Harris for being one of a handful of researchers who are conducting this extremely important work. Thank you to Dr. Peterson for providing a platform to inform people of this work, and for helping to destigmatize what will likely be the "breakthrough" in how we approach mental health.
6:58 I've thought for a while that many of the things that are conceptualized as psychopathologies are actually the effect of an error in learning analogous to the pianist building the habitual system of playing the wrong note. To tie this to how we treat psychopathologies with drugs, we treat these things like they are static when they really might be a form of "bad learning" at a deep level that we just can't yet "touch" because of their subjectively experienced nature. Things like Cognitive Behavioral Training I think are the start to this, and I've wondered if things like Neuralink might be the next step by being able to track neural activity of an individual throughout the day since this is really where these maladaptive strategies play out.
You are right, but there are new studies that involve microbiome that adds even more complexity. Microbes have been shown to effect behavior, one study involved healthy mice and mice with depression cause by antibiotics. End of the study concluded that lactobacillus changes the mice behavior and sent signals to the brain that prevented depression. Your microbiome changes the way you perceive the world, if your perception is different then what you learn is different.
@@2100suprafreak Imaging a television screen showing the shakespearean tragedy, behind the screen is a technician who is monitoring the electronics using sophisticated measuring devices. The technician is able to tell you if the colour values, sound quality and picture resolution are correct and exactly how they can be tracked and adjusted. The viewer, in front of the screen, is watching the tragedy unfold on the screen exposing the complexities of the human condition. Neither individuals are aware of each other and thus their perceptions of what is significant are totally different....... is this where we are going?
Quick note: I’m a huge fan and believer of synchronicities. As soon as I started typing Mr. Peterson mentioned Mircea Eliade. I’ll speak more on Eliade In a bit. I’m 46 years old and I’ve been in and out of institutions since the the early 20s and suffered from addictions most of my life. I’ve lived a rather exciting life coming from a small border town in (Laredo) Texas. LSD did improve my life as well as this medication called Neurontin which I’ve been taking since 2012. It’s fair to say that Neurontin made it so much easier for me to remain sober for 10 years away from cocaine, alcohol and Xanax. I’ve also been an avid church goer for over 2 decades so haven’t given up on spiritual faith yet I’ve develop a lot of faith on Tarot readings as well. I do my own readings and use them as psychotherapy sessions. Back to Mircea Eliade, It was last year when I got fed up with my own cowardice and lack of responsibility. I remember I watching Malidoma on TH-cam which happens to be a gifted healer while starting to read Rites and Symbols of Initiation by Eliade. Lets just say all I remember is that there’s 6 countries in the world where in order to be welcomed to adulthood (Rites of Passage) an adolescent has to be left in the middle of wilderness for 24 hours while the village dresses up as beasts, monsters, etc. I chuckled after that because I remember blowing on a cake on my 18th birthday, I think I did since I was always under the influence but I was always “mommy’s little boy.” Well anyways, for some reason since 2 years ago the Law of Attraction new age philosophy was the biggest trend at that time in our city and out of spite I decided to manifest something that till this day I have no idea why I was hateful and ruthless against myself I felt at that time. I just didn’t feel love for myself whatsoever. And well, it went a little something like this: The way people describe God sounds like they’re describing processed cheese. God, Jesus… murder me twice than thee. I remember calling 2 of the most responsible adults in my life and explained to them what I was doing and why. I guess I was just bitter and thought that if I really want to “love” I have to prove it first. And so since then I’ve been on this incredible journey that I don’t feel is useful to say because my out of the world experiences will be shot down and I want to remember them as valuable to me. Let’s say when you get on a intense spiritual journey, everything that comes out in daily tarot reading, daily scriptures and mental spiritual downloads coincide with each other. Thankfully this past Monday, December 12,2022 my son was with me before, during and after evening Mass that he got to witness first hand what I’ve been trying to explain to other close friends which still doubt me. It was this year January 11, when I completed my first spiritual journey which I have 2 witnesses that know about it. Around that time I had very little sleep for 3 nights and it felt better than winning the lottery, hard to explain but I was filled with never felt before excitement and awe. Then on my birthday I attended evening Mass and to make long story short, I just remember how it felt while at Mass, it felt as if all my mental and spiritual gifts were stripped away. In other words, scripture that day was: “you fool you were suppose to be like Jesus not Mr Hollywood Star.” So after I got home with my tail between my legs and so torn apart from left to right, top down… I had to announce online about my immature and grave mistake, since I have a bunch of people that consider me a local “influencer” in town. Sorry if I digress but my life keeps getting more serious yet I have to pray and meditate for valor since it ain’t easy. It’s not for the faint of heart. Blessings to all.
So you love Jordan Peterson’s pathology of thinking he is the most intelligent person in every case because he has a very strong and multifaceted world model that he troubleshoots constantly in discourse without ever letting the argument be presented in a deep and meaningful way because he can’t shut up? Interesting, you must be an incel with absolute maniac depression of which you get a large dopamine hit because your ego has latched onto JP’s intellect as a gross tumor of your own greatness and is lift with each perceived win in civil discourse.
I found Carhart-Harris and Peterson at nearly the exact same time, back in my second year of university! Did a presentation of psychedelics and heavily cited Carhart-Harris, and he gave me first contact to material about the Default Mode Network, which I quickly became obsessed with. Crazy. Feels like synchronicity.
I really liked the discussion around play vs. domination, and how a mutual benefit is maintained in play necessarily, or it ceases to be play. I have been thinking recently on cooperation vs. competition on a larger social scale. For example, let's look at the need to quell cancer. Supposing in the current socioeconomical climate (let's call it capitalism), a cure for cancer was found and could be converted to pill application. What would be the likely outcome? It would be patented and sold for as much as could be economically justified compared to other forms of treatment. May well result in a $10,000 pill. Suppose a different socioeconomical system (apart from capitalism) in which cooperation was esteemed, instead of domination, what could the outcome yield? The formula could be shared, scrutinized, improved, perfected, and scaled in a exponentially higher level of efficiency and effectiveness, with a network of skills and knowledge that cannot be duplicated by any size of organization or resources in a domination (competition) format. I have not explored a large breadth of scenarios, but I feel fundamentally, this logic seems to hold weight. I would love to hear others' thoughts on this train of thinking. What is cooperation doing for growth, that a large scale cooperation, motivated in a similar direction could not provide and/or improve upon?
I'm not sure what & when the ideal ratio is found. I'm reasonably certain that there is a yin yang type of relationship & they're both neccessary & somehow two sides of the same coin.
I just finished listening to this and immediately thought “this conversation could be summed up by PINK FLOYD’s Saucer Full of Secrets.” Psychedelic, chaos becoming order, artists playing with their craft creating consciousness and beauty. Not to mention the fractals 😉. Check out the “Live in Pompeii “ version and see what I’m talking about. Stellar!
I would love to meet you Jordan Peterson , Since there is no such chance I would like to encourage you to continue and be that voice of the one crying in the desert, may God keep you firm and strong, you help so many lost and confused people I hope the your heart is happy despite the attacks, you make a difference. Your story will be told and your name is already written in history!
As JBP said at approx 35:00 it has to a base function. If we hypothesize that the "fight or flight" response is over active then that would put the depressed person in a state of constant stress. The impairment of of executive function (self control, planning etc.) could be due to it being over ridden by the fight or flight response. The F or F could be so strong that it could suppress/skew all? the higher order functions such as complex/adult self image ( I'm a rotten and worthless person), ability to socialize (RUN cuz this is a dangerous situation what ever the situation is). If executive function is walled off/isolated due to the F or F response (can't stop to think it through when the tiger is about to eat your head). Psychedelics may break down that wall and re-integrate or strengthen the exec. func., allowing a change in self image, learning, memory, emotional regulation. Tripping on shrooms, DMT MDMA is an integrative experience???? OK roast me for my rantings
It’s easy to play with ideas in conversation with someone in your daily life because you can see their reactions and facial expressions as you play, for instance, you can gage approach or intensity and adjust appropriately. Using social media however, I could be getting too close to the edge for someone’s comfort, but there’s no way to gage it until after I’ve already written the thought or argument and hit the send button. That’s a problem I think with social media, there’s no attunement (is that the right word? Synergy, alignment); constantly either one or the other is leading with each response, receiving zero facial or body language cues. My thought might take me to the edge and I’m having fun, but the reader may go over and I wouldn’t know it until it was too late. And unless you know someone, you don’t understand their personal sensitivities either. What’s a beautiful ring of golden knowledge for me may be another’s horrible rope of despair. It’s like trying to play with your eyes closed - at the cliff’s edge! Most of the time I think it doesn’t pose a problem. But when people are passionate about a topic or issue, things can get uncalibrated. This probably doesn’t have anything to do with psychopaths, they could care less if their blind or not I would think bc they aren’t playing to begin with. They’re just out to harm. By the way, I almost passed this one up because of ‘magic mushrooms’ but this was so much more than the title indicated. Glad I stopped in to listen. Carhart-Harris is a very interesting guy~
1:33:33 is so important: the epiphany trap combined with the tremendous emotional punch.. Plus the current hype about psychedelics is not addressing the problem of risking your mental health with psychedelics: if you are prone to react hypersensitive to dopamine like 1. people on the paranoid schizophrenia side and many people don't know that they are prone to develop paranoid schizophrenia until they took it and then you are fucked for life (!) or 2. you are already on the schizotypal or 3. bi polar spectrum, which again is connected to too much dopamine in your system already or 4. you are very, very high in openness etc. Too much dopamine release at one time - (which is basically what psychedelics do on the neurotransmitter level) is NOT a good experience for anyone! Those warnings should be out there, because it's reality. There's a bloody reason why they stopped clinical experiments in the eighties with psychedelics and like so often, the history is forgotten. And now those young researchers are repeating the same "psychedelics are the answer" bullshit philosophy like the hippies in the 70s... I am not impressed nor surprised about the fact that a huge study found out that a) they couldn't replicate the hopeful findings of small experiments. It's said that even one dosis of psychedelics can alleviate severe depressive symptoms. However, results were quite mixed and they found out that the results were not as great as small studies (with methodology design problems) promised!! But big pharma is rubbing their hands already.. b) The main reason why one researcher will shout out "we have great results" is that they do not use double blind trials with randomly assigned adults. Which they did in the huge study, and what a surprise, they couldn't replicate the findings. c) Plus they critized that former hype studies don't measure long-term effects. d) Plus they found out that those psychedelics is the answer researchers minimize the negative effects. for example half of the patients had an INCREASE in suizidal thoughts and those hyping researchers interpret that as "normal for depression". WTH? Really? d) Another finding was that the dosis of psychedelics wasn't a "1 mg micro dose" for resistant depression. It was much higher to have an effect (it was 25mg, which looks little but it is not ).. e) And the biggest problem is that 77% of patients had adverse effects like severe headaches, nausea and no matter how small the dose, they had suicidal ideations or wanted to hurt themselves. Read this again: suicidal ideation or behavior or self injury occurred in all dose groups. If you have major depression and are suizidal, you should not risk increasing your downwards spiral. -->That's exactly what JP says when he questioned if an increase in openness (= high dopamine) combined with high neuroticism (=negative emotions like in depression) is maybe not a good idea... I couldn't agree more!
I can't find a source anywhere for any good psychedelics in my area, I suffer some pretty bad depression and i got a chance to try K and man it was a miracle substance, I felt free,the only high or euphoria was from the relief of my vices being released, that's exactly what it did
A kind of throwaway comment in this discussion, if we can call it that, that I am very interested in is the notion that mania is the impulse or ability of cognitive and category reorganization, but what it is missing or or has some defect in is the catalyzation. So, in effect, you have the upwelling of arguably increased perception plus generative activity, but the ability to transform that into something sustained and useful on the back-end is compromised. Either way, it's like going through the trip without any back-end shift. There's the experience of a rapid-fire experimentation with different connections, but nothing actually gets rewired. As I think about that more, there's also a component to mania which often involves returning to essential narrative or delusion, and so in that sense, it's like there's all this hyper experimentation with new connections, while at the core, there is this very rigid catalyzation, or what they are referring to in some places as overlearning. It's interesting that even in this kind of whirlwind of potential new connection generation, there is this rigid overlearning that stands at the center, unfazed and untransformed.
Thank you gentlemen, that seems to be a highly interesting topic you are exploring and discussing about. I have found myself automating speach whilst typing something else. In other cases, have I found myself making errors, if I was watching the keyboard, rather than concentrating on the heard text and typing without putting attention to the keyboard. I strongly believe in the memory of the body, or motor output (?). At about 1:50:00 It appears to me that a lot of human activities is striving to be energy efficient.
10:50 ok so this situation hits really close to me. My dad honestly is the worst man I have ever met, and it's true it calibrated my brain so that It wasn't tuned to genetic people, which may I add are totally dull, some parts of me are greatful for my trauma as it didn't accustomed me to hate man, but rather to see the world in such a different lense and that sometimes is a blessing and a curse. It is such an automatic incorrect assumption, but it did lead me to over analyze everyone's personality to the way where I can profile it correctly, but my situation growing up opened a relationship with me and my mind where I perhaps spend a lot of time overthinking and analyzing myself and others, to the point of dissecting myself in a way where I don't recognize. I specialize in finding the flaws of broken people or people who have actually lived a traumatic live and the trauma that created those flaws. Not justifying them just knowing why they are the way they are, but things turn so much darker when I do it to myself. I wonder what specifically made him go to the man hating scenario though, considering its a father he dismissed the affection that an offspring might have for their parents regardless of their monstrosities, kind of surprises me that he so willingly overlooked that. It makes me question on wether he was trying to appease his Main audience which Is dominantly male.
Totally understand Mr. Petersons enthusiasm, but would've liked to hear more from his guest, because he also has A LOT of insight, knowledge and wisdom.
Jordan, you've interviewed some of the most popular figures in the field of psychedelic research, but I strongly recommend to talk with lesser-known figures, whom have been working on psychedelics for much more time and produced more professional and rigorous work, such as the Swiss ones (Vollenweider, Liechti, Preller). They will provide an insight from the best science that could be done.
These are the types of conversations I have sought throughout my life - across every subject, not simply psychedelics. I have met only a very few, two maybe three others who are either interested or capable of this level of investigation. Why do people choose to watch banal television when there is so much to learn. How can anyone ever so 'I'm bored'? I have never ever been bored - I don't know what it feels like. Anyone else out there feel this way? Namaste x
Interesting... When they were talking about rebirth, I immediately thought about Frank Herbert's Dune saga. In many of those books, characters are fundamentally transformed or reborn through traumatic experience. For example, Duncan Idaho is reborn thousands of times. His clones 're-awaken' to his past memories, always through intense pain. Intense experience triggers a "hard reset" in many of the characters.
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I hope this proves to be somewhat helpful: ego is a circumference of a circle, within a circle is a pure abstraction, no meaning, so it can become whatever it needs to be. Outside of what the ego perceives is reality which is the opposite of abstraction: absolute meaning since it can't be anything else. Ego is the mediator between the those two extremes and just an aspect of personality. So it is the job of the ego to filter and to function as balance between the two extremes: abstract and absolute. The ego actually dissolves/recycles perceived reality to create personality. And personality is a pattern which finds/creates meaning from abstraction (in conjunction with reality), the personality is the only pattern which ego can recognize. A perhaps fun fact that personality may contain more than one circumference, like ripples in water and reality is the stone that makes them. Unfortunately that sometimes results in disorders rather than layers of being and perceiving. So i think that probably all psychological 'disturbances' originate from perception of empathy gone awry. And maliciousness is not the core of a disturbance, it's the consequence. For instance, empathy is not how someone feels it's how 'i' feel or it wouldn't be empathy. So I'm guessing that some ego may perceive empathy as a false reality because it introduces a strange/new type of 'self' which doesn't fall into a typical patten within personality since it originates from a different form of abstraction or pattern of meaning formation. So empathy to an extremely rigid ego might seem like an intruder since it's a non familiar pattern which implies chaos...
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I had a good friend who used to grow mushrooms. We did a decent dose of it and I got visions of him being in a hedge maze hiding from himself. The second time (approximately 1 month later it resulted in a deja-vu sensation. Everything said by either of us felt like we said it before. This was ongoing until I decided to just lay down and go to sleep. It is intriguing to say the least. I still want to try it again but in a setting with someone with more experience in this matter.
At 1:11:00 I am loving where JBP is going…I just started reading Anthony Esolen’s “ten ways to destroy the imagination of your child”. So far highly recommend but now I’m left in despair with no where to turn. I want to be at home with my 6yo and 3yo, or find an environment that will nurture their creativity (rooted in truth).
Dr. P. Masterclass for all mental health pract. Excellent views on perception Dr. P. It is my hope as this topic develops in the mental health field, we take a slow approach with topics like prior addiction, the marketing of this topic, family studies-origin, other applications such as dementia or brain injuries. Basic ethical considerations Dr. P. Once good studies are done, how will this be used with AI to rewire the brain in a positive direction. Yes, unlearning negative behaviors of addiction through positive ritual replacement. A larger question sir is how larger organizations will adopt this topic into their mission statement to help people A great deal of gray areas Dr. P. Good work sir. Keep it up.
49:13 Wouldn't schizophrenia be a better example of a pathology of creativity? Manic depression strikes me more as a result of too much extraversion and neuroticism. Then you can, hypothetically, map out pathologies associated with each of the five-factor model of personality: High openness: schizophrenia. High conscientiousness: OCD. High extraversion: mania. High agreeableness: Munchhausen? High neuroticism: anxiety/depression. Then there would be pathologies that correspond to too low degrees of these factors (e.g. narcissism = low neuroticism) and combinations of several factors (e.g. manic depression = high extraversion and neuroticism). Note: when I say "high," I mean overregulation by the system providing corrective behaviour rooted in a particular factor.
Excellent insights and interesting. However, I would have enjoyed discussion more if JP pulled back, allowing his guest more time to speak. In particular, JP could have spent much more time eliciting opinions instead of giving them.
Peterson!! I’d love to hear more about your personal experiences with psychedelics, I know you tend to focus on more ‘scholarly’ topics; but the insight you gained from that experience you briefly mentioned in an interview with Dawkins is revolutionary and needed.
In contrast to every other point in history, the fact that the layman now has access to these kind of conversations, brings a quantum leap in our ability for self development and understanding.
I wondered all the time my whole life about why God loves us so much. And I've never been able to come up with anything in 39 years until right now. I think it's because we put our eternal souls on the front lines in the battle between good and evil, here on Earth in bodies of extremely sensitive flesh completely exposed to good and evil with faith alone guiding us forward
Jordan you've gotta stop interrupting your guests man. You have important shit to say, just work on holding on to it until the speaker is finished haha.
Half the conversation I don’t understand but the more I listen the better I get at understanding the conversation.. in awe of the intelligence and I hope to aspire to that one day
Terrance Mckenna once said, “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to the commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a featherbed.”
Today I understood that I need to get my house in order even more. As to decrease my neuroticism levels constantly in a manner that potential gets maximised. Or is there even a maximum? if you keep housing new material and knowledge and experiences in your mind as you keep order as they come in. Keep learning and process each unit of knowledge enterring your environment. I think today, the processing part might be the hardest since the knowledge is so widely available with the invention of the internet. Might also explain the overlearning syndrome. Throwing multiple concepts in here that seem to me are very well connected. -the action taken to the problem -the limitless potential that we can increase (imagine if we live two centuries.) -what might fundamentally be what overlearned is. The incapacity to process new data - or the unwillingness to try to ingest new data. Any thoughts?
A wonderful conversation, a minor issue that bugged me: Dr. Peterson seemed a bit impatient in waiting for Dr. Carhart-Harris to complete voicing his ideas every now and then, especially if something came to mind in the middle of what Dr. Carhart-Harris was saying. Perhaps it's just the way their particular personalities interact, but I felt a bit sorry for Dr. Carhart-Harris xD
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Just a glance at this world, shows people how little we really understand. I honestly feel bad for anyone that hasn't tried LSD. To see your own hands but as you see them they appear and feel like they are made of a ancient and noble oak, and to feel that what inside you is ancient, and noble at it's very roots, can really change how someone feels day to day. That is just one moment I felt out of many. After my first experience my eyes were replaced with a child, and 20 years later I haven't lost that completely.
Ah. Only 8 mins in and I hav learned that we "automate" our habits by repetition. Our brain creates new neural connections to automate things that we do repeatedly. Although I knew that subconsciously; having it put in words this way makes it much clearer to understand. When we put effort into making good habits our brain will begin to make those good habits happen without us thinking about it is.
Tbh I would be very, very, very careful in disposing of Terrence McKenna's ideas as " in all likelihood false". (1:32:00) It can very well be that Terrence was ahead of his time. Anyhow, you shouldn't dismiss them without knowing the terrain intimately yourself. It's like saying that someone speaking of a foreign land or deep earth crusts that have never been probed is false because you yourself haven't been there or haven't seen it yourself. I'm not saying T.M. is right by default or in all his points, but I found that things of his which I dismissed at first have come to make sense more and more to me over the years the more I have come to understand what he actually means. What's the difference in presuming "it's real" vs presuming "it's not real"?
@@Tacit_Tern hey at least it’s folks trying to transition from monkey to man. For the small price of $120 my ex- roommate, a slightly naive but otherwise good dude, got a quick and useful education 😆
In college I minored in cognitive science philosophy. I was forever changed by what I learned. I have great interest in Paul Thagard's notion of "coherence" and how the belief system can be built around a coherence philosophy. Please reach out to Dr. Thagard and do an episode on his theories on coherence.
I truly hope Dr. Peterson can talk more about the beauty of art. How could ordinary people appreciate the artwork and not tie up to all those political ideology debates so much?
My name is Matthew iam 35 and I would like to say thank you iv been listening to you for the past year your Bible lectures and so on iam I was an addict up to about ten years ago and iv changed my life I never wanted a family or anything like that but after listening to you iv have changed my life so much more this past year iv gotten with someone and am really thinking about starting a family we have been together for a year now and are looking to the future with hope witch I never had in my life since childhood won't get into the details but not good so thank for the hope and responsibility
I became a real bad alcoholic I was sick on it I needed whiskey in morning to numb the sickness before I could function. And out of know where I woke up one morning and it was over like a light switch turned completely off. I can even casually drink now without the fear of addiction. I can not explain it. Except God answered my prayer
I've had a similar experience. Went to AA and everything, thinking I was doomed to the destiny of alcohism. I left AA, didn't try very hard to quit. Kept waking up to that drink. One day, woke up, and it was over. Maybe I have a drink once a month, it's been at least three months where i sit now. No cravings, nothing. Just casual drinking if I'm in a socal situation where it's appropriate.
I had that but I switched to other stuff again unfortunately. So without that I can see how strong of and experience that would be if not using something else.
What visual artist doesn't explore visual representation but also cultural representation! Apophenia and Pareidolia are logical counters to being in a highly plastic perceptual state. If you're in the middle of perceptual flux of course you'll try to make sense of it and depending on the dosage of the drug things will be made manifest by the unconscious mind if you let it, unfortunately all your senses are communicating with each other at the same time. Add to that highly emotionally charged responses then you've got a full bingo card for something going awry unless you ignore it all and comfort yourself with the fact that this is a situation whereby it is better to be detatched and lucid rather than overly reacting emotionally or intellectually as you may find yourself down some very dark or at least surreal alleys. On the other hand you can just enjoy or at the very least decant the experience. How you approach your own perception is crucial. Artists can exploit such avenues. As a teenager I practised techniques to enable astral projection and lucid dreaming. I had more real than real experiences but on reflection years later I would say the mind is capable of building environments in immense detail but in the end it is just lapidary solipsism. I think the hierarchical biological, neurological, cultural stuff linked to Biblical narrative here by Peterson, however, is just such an example of dodgy thinking or overthinking; it's a pretty apophenic in itself... it also may explain a few of his "issues". But it's unsurprising that he'd turn to such hermeneutics...When people extrapolate into knock ons into cultural issues then I'm not so convinced - in fact I'm very, very leary. The fact that we should all return to nature as some sort of neurological and mental health 'heimat' for the 'volk' or some Christian doctrine doesn't fill me with assurance but then I'm probably overly interpreting this. But it would be easy to make those leaps wouldn't it? Having said that Carhart-Harris's paper on the entropic brain is fascinating and well worth downloading.
I am yet to watch this but I will say this. I have always been against drugs and psychedelics as a route to spiritual truth. There is a reason why the wise of the past warned against them (I'm thinking Buddha in particular). There are no shortcuts. Perhaps they can be helpful in the short term. But, true transformation comes over time from a life dedicated to spiritual practice, whatever the tradition. Ask the meditation and contemplation teachers who tried things like LSD back in 70s and (fortunately) discovered that wasn't the way. Apologies if I completely missed the point of the discussion.😄
I'm guessing you are correct, but I can see them used as a way to break a psychological log jam and be a psychological boost to get some one out of a ditch.
Reading "how to change your mind", Michael Pollan. He got a lot of benefit, but presents it as "spiritual but not supernatural". It's a way for "absolutist materialists" to get our head on straight.
I choose not to reset. I choose to carry forward courageously while negotiating with all the baggage so that I can be above all the pain and misery. I believe that is what we are called for, and the thought of resetting back to the last starting line is horrifying to learn the lessons again. Got the T shirt and not going back.
Love the attitude, certainly admirable. I just think of it more like a hard drive cleanup than an actual reset or loss of some crucial data. Actually, 15 years ago I even wrote my master thesis on the great and promising work of Stanislav Grof in the 1950s and 60s, which was then promtly cut with the onset of the „war on drugs” (Grof's, not mine)... ... Then I became a low-tier career musician and all of that went to hell, my mental health included 😀 At least we got brilliant people like that still chasing the subject and making it public in such a competent and captivating way.
I think you’re misinterpreting what a “reset” means in reference to psychedelics. It’s not like your brain becomes a blank piece of paper. You are just able to view your thoughts and experiences for what they truly are and not what others impose on you. It’s just like cleaning up a dirty room. Keeping the room dirty doesn’t make you “courageous” or more driven. It bogs down your ability to be productive in that room. When your room is clean you feel refreshed. You feel more like yourself.
Thank you JBP. I've watched this doctor's lectures for a number of years now. I have ZERO education in his field of study, but he knows his material so well, that he can explain it clearly enough that I can follow.
I think I have to agree with Robin. Overlearning, which he also termed defensive learning, has been, and continues to be, a life inhibitting habit. Instead of choosing to face the unknown in good faith while seeing and learning things as they truly are, I build and expand on past learnings. It kills experience and aliveness.
To me this episode could be summed up as a discussion of the permeability of honeycombs - if your brain were composed of honeycomb cells full of dreams/temperaments/traits/neurons/stars dust/photos/galaxies-of-photons/electricity/energies, etc etc and they’re actually capturing/articulating this idea using an array of real life, applicable, examples. I really wish he had all his conversations in person though. I think we’re suffering from lack of the element that creates. Petersen’s reddening quality is that he can almost get away with this because we always do seem to walk away with armfuls of fruit. I also dare to dream if I could handle a conversation with him on his podcast - I wish he would just talk to the average joe sometimes - it would ameliorate the bridge between white and blue collar by us who carry out the spirit Petersen puts forth in our own custom, yet aligned, way. I enjoy Jordan’s step down from the intellectual heights when he humbled himself and draws on personal examples, it’s at that resolution that we’re hook, sinker, and bobber to the damn grill 😂. I’d love to throw some of my wrapped ideas on the table in front of him and see if he turns on his father-mode, God that would be funny and feel so therapeutic haha. Now. Phone down. Laundry again. 😂
I'm extremely skeptical about psychedelics. It maps far too well onto the story of the fall in Genesis where Adam and Eve grab for knowledge and power that they are not ready for. I don't know how JP hasn't seen this connection
Some are ready for the beatific visions psychedelics have the potential to induce. Emphasis on SOME and POTENTIAL. Mystical experiences also come on naturally and spontaneously (as it did in my case in March 2013) so it’s clearly not a forbidden experience.
There's a lot of assumptions baked in there. The attainment of knowledge could also be seen as the awakening of consciousness in the Human experience, imbuing that which the knowledge is bestowed *responsibility*. Perhaps psychedelic's have played a role. But this is part of the human story. We might otherwise revert back to animals
@@MrThogin that you Kathy Newman? No that's not at all what I'm saying. But psychedelic use was heavily regulated in the past by long standing societal traditions that grew over a great period of time. This ain't it
So under Robin's idea, psychedelic experience is physiologically and psychologically similar to natural high-stress dissociation and near-death experience. I wonder if our ancestors that did a majority of the evolution of the human organism had more regular/frequent high-stress experiences (lion attacks, etc.), and if this led to more functional/adaptive "mental health" (or less frequency of chronic depression/pathology). And then if psychedelic use became more regular in safer societies of people as a way of getting the same "fix." I am curious about how/if PTSD manifested in earlier people as well. It seems to me like PTSD is only recognizable in people that are now in a non-traumatic environment.
I used LSD yesterday, a small amount. In the middle of the "the trip" (you could barely call it one) I suddenly felt like I chipped my front tooth. It was a minor chip, but I felt it very clearly with my tounge and lips... My right front tooth was sharper and thinner.... I freaked out. When did this happen?! Then I remembered I had chipped that tooth 10 years ago! It seems to me like my brain had been filtering out the sensory input relating to it from entering my contious mind all these years... and somehow under lsd the filter fell away. Now it's the next day and the sensation is filtered out again, but because I remember, I can now focus on the tooth and still feel the chippedness with my tongue and finger. And I see in the mirror it's the same size as it was... barely noticible. Not sure what this says about how psychedelics work, but i thought it was interesting. General disclaimer: always get screened for manic depression and schizophrenia in the family before trying lsd or other psychedelics. Don't end up like Kanye.
Hope that Bos Peterson could go to Bali and make a little bit research about psychedelic on Balinese Magic Mushroom. Thank you for spread the knowledge, Mentor🙌
We are flooded with "knowledge" these days, yet we are starving for "wisdom". Very few role people have the prudence to pick out the TRUTH from the vast amount of information out there. You, Jordan, are one of these few. And for that, we are immensely grateful. On behalf of everyone Jordan, thank you.
Well said brother
Yes SCREENSHIP!
Honestly, so much crap out there on the internet... so hard to keep track of it all!
I agree, thank you Jordan!
Knowledge is basically useless, it's all about taking action!
I'm not in a position to get back to university, but I get free education from these videos which are a valuable and time-saving alternative to studying. Thank you Dr.Peterson.
Sizzuck his dizzack a bit harder brah!
@@AFringedGentianf you can get through that wear the honor for what is. Suffering through a track that is not what it used to be. One that speaks of wealth, or ability to fulfill the metrics over several years. What you learn is convenient and can be quite enlightening. But it’s largely trappings so others know you are part of the club. And that’s critical. Just now poor all around for measuring much else. I guess grad school is for more, but really people waste massive sums of money for not much there.
Consuming and applying knowledge like this is where you can find your true meat. Over 10 years how will that have compounded? Hopefully we’ll if done right.
Really what really do you think you have learned from this ?
@@donnasherwood283that’s a very good question. Perhaps we get our beliefs elaborated upon and validated. In other words, our egos get inflated. Even though I know this, I keep watching these conversations.
@@michaelg1569 thanks i cannot say they lack merit but in the case of some of those invited by Dr. Peterson I believe the word "discernment" fits quite nicely. My issue with JP is his idiom is entirely too complex and technical he should work in structuring a presentation starting with a more streamlined and concise opening and progress from there. these talks appear to be aimed at doctoral students. Another issue is he verbose and has a tendency to go off on tangents. Stream of consciousness seems apt. academic speak but nowhere near as bad as many others with their neologisms, verbosity and abstruseness. I have been stunned to observe how our un and undereducated population have followed him. we live among those who pepper speech with "likes" every few words into a sentence.
Psilocybin saved my life . I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September . I have zero cravings . This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment .
Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression ... The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself ... I used antidepressants for some years but it only made me feel like a zombie but with immediate use of mushroom in few months I feel like I'm living a whole new Life .
I have researched and found out that shrooms are very helpful , it has really helps to reduce anxiety and depression . I would love to try magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some , Is there any realiable source I can purchase one
I was having this constant , unbearable anxiety because of stress. Not until I also came across Dr.Mile a very intelligent mycologist. He came through for me with his knowledge on psychs.
I’m feeling the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety level. I am so glad to be part of this community.
I do microdose on shrooms and other psychedelics and I can say it has improved my daily attitude. I'm more focused and feeling less trauma. I don't do it just for the trips, take a mini dose to ease my brain receptors. I can confirm that I have had some of the most profound mind bending experiences a human can have in their lives.
I hope someone that reads my comment finds this useful in some way. For context, I am an adult male that has experienced childhood trauma added with the the increasingly common absent father. These things had left me with emotional "impairments" from childhood that became more obvious and hindering as I got older.
I was going through the darkest time in my life a few months ago. I was a dead man walking, literally. I was at the point of ending it all, the cowardly easy way out. I was desperate to find anything but having experienced drug use in my 20's I knew that was not the path of truth and enlightenment. Long story short, I ended up trying psilocybin a few months ago.
I don't know how to explain it properly but all I can say is I woke up the next morning like a new person. I felt a calmness, I got up from bed and looked around me and felt peace, gratitude, and love. Love for myself and things around me. The things that might have aggravated me before now make me smile and shrug off. It was like a switch was flipped in my mind while I slept after my experience with psylocibin. I didn't even take enough to have a deep trip! But I was changed somehow, all the anxiety, depression, anger and resentment vanished completely. Even now when I explain it, it doesn't sound real. But all I can say is it literally saved my life. So if you're reading this, don't give up, no matter how hard it may seem. There is hope! I've been listening to Jordan for 4 years but sometimes we need something that makes a change internally. Words aren't enough for some of us when our mind is broken.
Thanks for sharing.
Good to hear you’re doing better.
@@AlanCarson726 I appreciate that Alan, hope you're also well.
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Good journey, brothers and sisters!🥰
Thanks for sharing, I'm glad you're feeling better!
Hey, and thank you for sharing this. - I know exactly, what you are writing here. I wish your life will be well from now on to the future.
- Greetings from Finland -
For a year I used psilocybin I didn't tell a single person in my life, I waited untill my spouse (military) was on a 6 month overseas job, Nobody knew but me,
That way I could record my experience without outside biases , I took it 3 days on 3 days off and a 2 to 3 week break every 5 weeks ,
It completely eradicated my ocd
It completely eradicated all auditory and visual hallucinations
It stabilised my mood to the point where people close to me were pulling me aside and letting me know they see a huge postive change in me,
My social anxiety was massively reduced,
My paranoia was massively reduced,
It completely eradicated my underlying want to drink achohol (even though I would only drink mabey once a year I always had a feeling or need to think about it)
I was able to remember an incredible amount of repressed memory's starting within the first week !
It has changed my life and in turn
It has changed my children's lives
I have stopped contact with my toxic family,
I have seperated from my spouse
I have never been as healthy
Mentally or physically,
I cannot recommend it enough for people such as myself
Who have experience trauma with a capital T as they say,
It has helped my "wake up"
I know that there is a danger in unearned wisdom, but as a jump start in a controlled environment I think psilocybin could be life changing.
I have been diagnosed with depression since I was a child. October first 2022 I did a ton of mushrooms to get high. Ended up spirit traveling and when I woke I was different. My depression was completely gone. Still gone to date and I'm living my life
KEWL!
Nice! I always love to hear when shrooms help. May I share? As well? I did a cap and stem together. Nothing big, just wanted to test the material. The maxim of the high was like a dream state, it was that spot just before falling asleep. In my imagination, I watched this deeper part of me taking the wall covers off to reveal hundreds of nervous system paths, they were all tangled together and when an emotion would erupt it would fire through those other ideals as collateral too. Where it was like yours is that when I became sober, I didn't have to contemplate the truth.l, I just felt it within and the depression was non-resonant. Only side effects was, that I felt like I was in the matrix again. I saw everybody's programming. I reintegrated after a few days. Minus that crippling pain. Thanks for reading.
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Makes me want to invest in Big Pharma all in on mushrooms, thanks for the stock tip.
Remember to make important, long-lasting key changes in your life so that when the post-trip bliss wears off you have a lot to fall back on instead of just going back to your usual life
I use Dr. Peterson for a litany of audio/visual information in my men's specific wilderness based wellness and recovery program here in the united states Pacific Northwest, the astronomical improvement I've seen in my guys livelihood and demeanor who take part in "Silliboi" assisted therapy and micro dosing is absolutely astonishing. The amount of trauma in this world that men hold is extremely daunting and unfathomable in it's extent. The exponential growth that the therapy and mding ushers in is more than anything I have ever seen in any other formal intent, it's really too bad that the war on consciousness has become an offensive anti-wellness front for the US government and it's lackeys. I applaud all who continue research and are pioneering plant medicine alternatives, given to us by our creator, to further our wellness as a whole.
GOOD ON YOU.
🙌🙏🙌
The secret in my marriage about who should change was this. I prayed about it. I asked God to help me change how I responded to the problem. As I changed me, God worked on him. Oh praise the Lord for that wisdom. Our marriage turned around and we loved each other again.
That is so beautiful. God bless you and your husband.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🥰
Well done. You have to change because you are the only person who you can change directly. The only way to change them is to change yourself.
I have a lot to thank Joe Rogan for. Got into his podcast as a 22 year old MMA fan with no interest in academia (or so I thought). I'm now 31 and can't believe cage fighting led me through a ripple effect from Rogan, to people like Peterson and ultimately Nietzsche. Crazy.
He would kick your ass
Mine was judo, Joe, prison, nietzsche, Peterson etc...
I took the road less travelled, dropping out of uni, but privately studying intellectual topics (I assume to make up for my academic failures), then fairly recently discovering Joe Rogan, who has opened up a whole new slew of people to listen to and things to study! Joe is an extremely valuable individual, not least through the Covid debacle. His influence is incalculable.
@@tomwinterfishing9065 I came from a working class family in the north of England, and education post 16 years old stopped when I became a young father. As I got older, I found myself craving intelligent conversation and knowledge and Joe's podcast was where I found it.
I now rarely listen to his podcast, as there's so much more media now for me to consume but I'll forever be grateful. Without Joe, I would be a completely different person now as an adult and father.
I loved sports and played football my whole life. But I was always also into science and philosophy very much. Kind of a a weird mixture of nerd and jock.
But Rogan was everything I hoped for. The most brilliant minds conversing in depth. It's a free education and more
As a student studying psychotherapy and trying to get into the field of psychadelic-assisted psychotherapy, these lectures are so amazing. Obsessing over psychedelics as a profound pharmacological aspect of therapy I can say for sure within the coming years the future of mental health depends on it. Imagine combining therapeutic approaches like CBT and client-centered therapy with the use of psychedelics. It would be so amazing not only for the client but for the therapist to learn new methods of practice !!! Thank you for the informative content Dr. Peterson. P.S I use a lot of your thoughts and philosophical explanations of the world in my work as a student and will continue to use them in my work as a therapist in the future. Also, i would love to hear anyone's experience of using psychedelics and how it helped or did not help them in their mental health process, this would help me a lot as a student learning about what types of experiences create transformations in individuals. Thank you !!!
Thx for your sharing. Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, do you just rely on doctors for spiritual treatment such as hallucinations? There may be some effect, but the patient may not be completely cured
I had the opportunity of being able to experience the world through the LSD lens. I learned much more through this experience than from any other conscious experience. Experiences and lessons that are unobtainable through natural means.
Its The agenda behind it. Just like energy (Green. And basically all of The industries). The corps pushing it for control cus public school isnt 100% anymore. Too many outliars. Look up matthew north, he got killed exposing them. J rogan etc. And their criminal drug comedians business and agenda promoting. Personally i have nothing against free will and the use of natural products. Unfortunately ud be Lucky to get weed thats actually a whole other type of strain. Not fundamentalt changed by montsanto just to make profits and control of The plants structure. Their total reign of seeds and modified, unhealthy food. The seed and farming industry totally over run and corrupted. Well, hope People will research it and for ones not just swallow and look The other Way.
I've used mushrooms (liberty caps) on and off for years. I'm rather prone to depression, holding onto inconsequential issues and wallowing in a certain amount of gloom. I also suffer from needing/seeing(?) too much structure in all aspects of life, possibly due to autism, dunno really. Mushrooms give me a way to step out from my own narrow reality, let go of all the accumulated shite and treat myself as someone I'm willingly helping which has helped immensely with getting my priorities straight.
Lol your trying to sound smart but is truly tarded brah
I'm a 24 years old male who had been strugling with trichotollimania for the probably last 14 years, just 11 days ago, I went to Amsterdam to use magic truffles to cure it. After using it i felt like i was reborn and the stress that was making me pull out my hair is almost totally gone.
☝️☝️look up that handle above,he ships directly,and he got shrooms, LSD, dmt, chocolate bars and microdosing pills 💊🍄🍫
@adem I have trichotollimania too. Any tips?!
@@JM-co6rf Tips usually don't work :/ and i have none.
1:32:00 Alien possession, I can absolutely relate to this in a large dose I had recently. It felt as though the mushroom had spread itself across my sensory array because it was seeking to experience the existence of what had consumed it. I had very sad traumatic thoughts coming up, which the mushroom 'entity' was trying to communicate that I should just laugh them off and be happy. I could not, and thought that this 'entity' doesn't understand the implications of my thoughts, and the associated pain. It was really cool actually. It then populated my lungs and reprimanded me for smoking not in words but making them burn to a worrying amount; quitting was one of my intentions for the trip, which I did do successfully the next day (although it wasn't just out of the blue, I had been preparing and weaning for months).
I’ve been interested in JP for about 3 years now, and what keeps me fascinated is he seems to have a calling to explore the potential of what could be. I think he’s comfortable with not knowing , which makes him a great information explorer.
Not knowing is the first step to the infinite because the infinite can’t be comprehended.
Maybe ask DailyWire+ to insert advertisements between conversation segments, rather than between question and answer? I understand that the advertising is part of the deal, but it's difficult to hold complex multi-part questions in my head while the conversation is suspended for an advertising insert.
Great conversation, and thanks for continuing to make your content freely available to the world. I feared it would all disappear behind a paywall, but you seem to have worked out a deal that benefits everyone.
Agreed. Ads in between makes it feels like valuable “extra content” rather than an annoying obstruction.
get an adblocker
@@nuqwestryour ad blocker downloads TH-cam videos and cuts out advertising segments for you?
5:30 ; 11:00 unconscious - implicit category system to perceive the world through; in the structures that goern perceptual categories
13:15 rebirth
16:54 neuropharmacologically inducing effects post-stress. it's interesting bc meditation is like a baseline psychedelics experience and all these ppl. like Wim Hoff basically say they can in
duce physiological responses via breathing exercises that make you "high on your own supply."
20:40 hyper-stress response and re-inducing awe in perception
28:10 very interesting, so there's no inhibiton
48:30 and maybe this refers to "letting go"
1:10:44 play
1:12:30 meditators
1:13:55 psychedelics put play in the system
1:22:00 serotonin
1:33:00 risk of psychedlics
1:46:30 self-entropic theory
One major problem is personal efficacy. Psychology often only focuses on internal thoughts and beliefs and not the efficacy of the individual. A lot of stress can be generated by the external world if one is incompetent or struggling to manage the external world. This can be both an individual and societal problem. The extremes on both sides blame either the individual or the society but psychology often focuses solely on the individuals perspective and self beliefs which can be a waste of time or ignoring the serious external problems the individual needs solved. I think this happens because a lot of times the external problems are difficult if not impossible to solve and it's easy to analyze a person's thoughts and provide interpretations of their beliefs and perspectives that can give them a re-frame but will not hold in an onslaught of external problems if they aren't given new abilities or knowledge that can help them solve the external problems and become more efficacious.
The stress is, in part, due to our schizophrenic society. To be able to face and survive in this world, one must be, to some degree, aggressive, or at least fight for a place in it. This means, you will often need to beat and compete with others. But society, frowns on competition, frowns on men competing and becoming dominant. Simultaneous they frown on incels, products of a society putting males in a social straightjacket.
In a world where you are damned if you do and damned if you don't, the stress (and hopelessness) prevails.
@GaslitWorld f. Melissa B Glad to hear it! I was in the same boat for quite a while and still am though as my economic situation improved so did my mental health. And as my financial situation gets worse it becomes harder and harder to not fall back into addictions and self destructive behaviors/attitudes despite all the psychological tricks I have learned and progress I've made.
I agree. I was raised by psychopaths, narcissists, paedophiles and their enablers. School was a nightmare, up to and including university level (I dropped out due to sexual threats!)
I married young, had children young all the time striving for safety and sanity. All the time under constant attack from my family of origin.
Decades later (2 decades of therapy later) I still struggle with issues of poverty, complex ptsd, marginalisation, societal abuse etc etc. especially at this time of the year(Christmas period which is a huge trigger!)
I healed immensely after the majority of my enemies died by natural attrition. But I still have a long way to go. I am currently 57. Sometimes it seems hopeless but I have created a life for myself even under worse circumstances. Miracles do happen. I am still a work in progress. I have never partaken of psychedelics ie dmt, psylocybin, lsd) which are purported to heal cptsd. So I watch these debates with speculative interest.
@@tdarons I'm sorry you had to go through that and it seems like you have done well for yourself despite the unfair and traumatizing life you have survived. It is clear from people like you that not all people have the same difficulty level in this 'game' called life. I am interested in psylocybin and lsd for healing as well though I have done mushrooms before and had some awful trips. I think it was because I didn't have the right 'set and setting' and also hadn't done enough inner work. I'm still skeptical of doing it again unless I had someone to help guide me through it I trusted due to my psychology being somewhat paranoid. I think it's a great tool though and could be useful for many in the right circumstances. But it's always good to remain skeptical especially when the claim is a one time cure.
@@johnsmithers8913 Males are set to aggressive state by the Females, so we are sacrificed to the predator along with the children whilst mum runs away
Biology is grown by the feminine and all biology copies the feminine, all the masculine has is its imaginary temporary constructed mental game
The Masculine is destined to do nothing but watch the sky's for meteor strikes ,
Whilst she biology gets on with everything else,
The feminine can never stop, understand ?
The masculine does nothing at all,
But the Slavers, now they created a different mind set altogether so encompassing and vast most never see their are a slave
And the master wants you busy
So creates the imaginary imagined accountable to the master "I" or sense of individuality (where there is none)
And holds that "I" to task
Re: Rebirth - so, rough childhood, by the time I got to my 20's I had a lot of issues with how I viewed myself and how I interacted with others. I started using mushrooms and each session was a hyper-real first person training video..."look, this is what you said to this person...this is how it made them feel", I could feel what the other person felt...I was shown the consequences of my behaviour...this happened over and over and over. It wasn't all bad - after each lesson I was shown funny things, so each session had me laughing then crying then laughing then crying. Mushrooms are absolutely the thing I needed to straighten me out...once the very rough edges of my character were resolved, we started to shift gradually in to more spiritual matters, for want of a better term. I used the drug over a period of 30 years...then they asked me stop and suggested I take up yoga. So I did. When I say that the mushrooms were "life-changing"...it doesn't come close to capturing the positive influence they had on my life.
I'm curious, how did they contribute to your spirituality?
I'd like to thank Dr. Carhart-Harris for being one of a handful of researchers who are conducting this extremely important work. Thank you to Dr. Peterson for providing a platform to inform people of this work, and for helping to destigmatize what will likely be the "breakthrough" in how we approach mental health.
6:58 I've thought for a while that many of the things that are conceptualized as psychopathologies are actually the effect of an error in learning analogous to the pianist building the habitual system of playing the wrong note. To tie this to how we treat psychopathologies with drugs, we treat these things like they are static when they really might be a form of "bad learning" at a deep level that we just can't yet "touch" because of their subjectively experienced nature. Things like Cognitive Behavioral Training I think are the start to this, and I've wondered if things like Neuralink might be the next step by being able to track neural activity of an individual throughout the day since this is really where these maladaptive strategies play out.
You are right, but there are new studies that involve microbiome that adds even more complexity. Microbes have been shown to effect behavior, one study involved healthy mice and mice with depression cause by antibiotics. End of the study concluded that lactobacillus changes the mice behavior and sent signals to the brain that prevented depression. Your microbiome changes the way you perceive the world, if your perception is different then what you learn is different.
@@2100suprafreak Imaging a television screen showing the shakespearean tragedy, behind the screen is a technician who is monitoring the electronics using sophisticated measuring devices. The technician is able to tell you if the colour values, sound quality and picture resolution are correct and exactly how they can be tracked and adjusted. The viewer, in front of the screen, is watching the tragedy unfold on the screen exposing the complexities of the human condition. Neither individuals are aware of each other and thus their perceptions of what is significant are totally different....... is this where we are going?
Quick note: I’m a huge fan and believer of synchronicities. As soon as I started typing Mr. Peterson mentioned Mircea Eliade. I’ll speak more on Eliade
In a bit.
I’m 46 years old and I’ve been in and out of institutions since the the early 20s and suffered from addictions most of my life. I’ve lived a rather exciting life coming from a small border town in (Laredo) Texas.
LSD did improve my life as well as this medication called Neurontin which I’ve been taking since 2012. It’s fair to say that Neurontin made it so much easier for me to remain sober for 10 years away from cocaine, alcohol and Xanax. I’ve also been an avid church goer for over 2 decades so haven’t given up on spiritual faith yet I’ve develop a lot of faith on Tarot readings as well. I do my own readings and use them as psychotherapy sessions.
Back to Mircea Eliade, It was last year when I got fed up with my own cowardice and lack of responsibility.
I remember I watching Malidoma on TH-cam which happens to be a gifted healer while starting to read Rites and Symbols of Initiation by Eliade. Lets just say all I remember is that there’s 6 countries in the world where in order to be welcomed to adulthood (Rites of Passage) an adolescent has to be left in the middle of wilderness for 24 hours while the village dresses up as beasts, monsters, etc. I chuckled after that because I remember blowing on a cake on my 18th birthday, I think I did since I was always under the influence but I was always “mommy’s little boy.”
Well anyways, for some reason since 2 years ago the Law of Attraction new age philosophy was the biggest trend at that time in our city and out of spite I decided to manifest something that till this day I have no idea why I was hateful and ruthless against myself I felt at that time. I just didn’t feel love for myself whatsoever. And well, it went a little something like this:
The way people describe God sounds like they’re describing processed cheese. God, Jesus… murder me twice than thee.
I remember calling 2 of the most responsible adults in my life and explained to them what I was doing and why. I guess I was just bitter and thought that if I really want to “love” I have to prove it first. And so since then I’ve been on this incredible journey that I don’t feel is useful to say because my out of the world experiences will be shot down and I want to remember them as valuable to me.
Let’s say when you get on a intense spiritual journey, everything that comes out in daily tarot reading, daily scriptures and mental spiritual downloads coincide with each other. Thankfully this past Monday, December 12,2022 my son was with me before, during and after evening Mass that he got to witness first hand what I’ve been trying to explain to other close friends which still doubt me.
It was this year January 11, when I completed my first spiritual journey which I have 2 witnesses that know about it. Around that time I had very little sleep for 3 nights and it felt better than winning the lottery, hard to explain but I was filled with never felt before excitement and awe. Then on my birthday I attended evening Mass and to make long story short, I just remember how it felt while at Mass, it felt as if all my mental and spiritual gifts were stripped away. In other words, scripture that day was: “you fool you were suppose to be like Jesus not Mr Hollywood Star.”
So after I got home with my tail between my legs and so torn apart from left to right, top down… I had to announce online about my immature and grave mistake, since I have a bunch of people that consider me a local “influencer” in town. Sorry if I digress but my life keeps getting more serious yet I have to pray and meditate for valor since it ain’t easy. It’s not for the faint of heart. Blessings to all.
Sometimes it seems that Dr Peterson invites people on the podcast as an veiled excuse to talk about the subject the guest specialize and I love it😁
So you love Jordan Peterson’s pathology of thinking he is the most intelligent person in every case because he has a very strong and multifaceted world model that he troubleshoots constantly in discourse without ever letting the argument be presented in a deep and meaningful way because he can’t shut up? Interesting, you must be an incel with absolute maniac depression of which you get a large dopamine hit because your ego has latched onto JP’s intellect as a gross tumor of your own greatness and is lift with each perceived win in civil discourse.
I thought that was the point lol, or what we're you thinking, Jeopardy style topics?
I found Carhart-Harris and Peterson at nearly the exact same time, back in my second year of university! Did a presentation of psychedelics and heavily cited Carhart-Harris, and he gave me first contact to material about the Default Mode Network, which I quickly became obsessed with.
Crazy. Feels like synchronicity.
Only the Jung Ones notice.
Research oliver sacks and Freud, and havelock ellis, read Havelock Ellis' essay on Mescaline called 'mescal, a new artificial paradise'
Dr. Peterson thank you for all the messages, advice and help you are giving to us men especially of the younger generation....God bless you
I've been watching Peterson for years now, and listening to him converse with another psychologist is still such a gauntlet
I'm here to say that I will be watching this many and many times over . There are some gold nuggets of knowledge packed in this episode 😉
I really liked the discussion around play vs. domination, and how a mutual benefit is maintained in play necessarily, or it ceases to be play. I have been thinking recently on cooperation vs. competition on a larger social scale. For example, let's look at the need to quell cancer. Supposing in the current socioeconomical climate (let's call it capitalism), a cure for cancer was found and could be converted to pill application. What would be the likely outcome? It would be patented and sold for as much as could be economically justified compared to other forms of treatment. May well result in a $10,000 pill. Suppose a different socioeconomical system (apart from capitalism) in which cooperation was esteemed, instead of domination, what could the outcome yield? The formula could be shared, scrutinized, improved, perfected, and scaled in a exponentially higher level of efficiency and effectiveness, with a network of skills and knowledge that cannot be duplicated by any size of organization or resources in a domination (competition) format. I have not explored a large breadth of scenarios, but I feel fundamentally, this logic seems to hold weight. I would love to hear others' thoughts on this train of thinking. What is cooperation doing for growth, that a large scale cooperation, motivated in a similar direction could not provide and/or improve upon?
I'm not sure what & when the ideal ratio is found.
I'm reasonably certain that there is a yin yang type of relationship & they're both neccessary & somehow two sides of the same coin.
I just finished listening to this and immediately thought “this conversation could be summed up by PINK FLOYD’s Saucer Full of Secrets.”
Psychedelic, chaos becoming order,
artists playing with their craft creating consciousness and beauty. Not to mention the fractals 😉.
Check out the “Live in Pompeii “ version and see what I’m talking about. Stellar!
I would love to meet you Jordan Peterson , Since there is no such chance I would like to encourage you to continue and be that voice of the one crying in the desert, may God keep you firm and strong, you help so many lost and confused people I hope the your heart is happy despite the attacks, you make a difference. Your story will be told and your name is already written in history!
Side note, this guy was subject of a documentary you can watch on Netflix called "Magic Medicine" I believe.
And Neurons to Nirvana.... I believe.
As JBP said at approx 35:00 it has to a base function. If we hypothesize that the "fight or flight" response is over active then that would put the depressed person in a state of constant stress. The impairment of of executive function (self control, planning etc.) could be due to it being over ridden by the fight or flight response. The F or F could be so strong that it could suppress/skew all? the higher order functions such as complex/adult self image ( I'm a rotten and worthless person), ability to socialize (RUN cuz this is a dangerous situation what ever the situation is). If executive function is walled off/isolated due to the F or F response (can't stop to think it through when the tiger is about to eat your head). Psychedelics may break down that wall and re-integrate or strengthen the exec. func., allowing a change in self image, learning, memory, emotional regulation. Tripping on shrooms, DMT MDMA is an integrative experience???? OK roast me for my rantings
I’m all into this new psychedelic renaissance!🙏✌️❤️ 🍄
I don’t need pharmaceutical pain killers any longer.💪
It’s easy to play with ideas in conversation with someone in your daily life because you can see their reactions and facial expressions as you play, for instance, you can gage approach or intensity and adjust appropriately. Using social media however, I could be getting too close to the edge for someone’s comfort, but there’s no way to gage it until after I’ve already written the thought or argument and hit the send button. That’s a problem I think with social media, there’s no attunement (is that the right word? Synergy, alignment); constantly either one or the other is leading with each response, receiving zero facial or body language cues. My thought might take me to the edge and I’m having fun, but the reader may go over and I wouldn’t know it until it was too late. And unless you know someone, you don’t understand their personal sensitivities either. What’s a beautiful ring of golden knowledge for me may be another’s horrible rope of despair. It’s like trying to play with your eyes closed - at the cliff’s edge! Most of the time I think it doesn’t pose a problem. But when people are passionate about a topic or issue, things can get uncalibrated. This probably doesn’t have anything to do with psychopaths, they could care less if their blind or not I would think bc they aren’t playing to begin with. They’re just out to harm.
By the way, I almost passed this one up because of ‘magic mushrooms’ but this was so much more than the title indicated. Glad I stopped in to listen. Carhart-Harris is a very interesting guy~
Commenting 6 minutes after the video has come out. Good to know how many people will comment without actually watching
Hey look 👀 the thought police 🚓. Time to rewind. ⏪
Y is there no sound in this video
1:33:33 is so important: the epiphany trap combined with the tremendous emotional punch.. Plus the current hype about psychedelics is not addressing the problem of risking your mental health with psychedelics:
if you are prone to react hypersensitive to dopamine like
1. people on the paranoid schizophrenia side and many people don't know that they are prone to develop paranoid schizophrenia until they took it and then you are fucked for life (!)
or
2. you are already on the schizotypal or
3. bi polar spectrum,
which again is connected to too much dopamine in your system already or
4. you are very, very high in openness etc.
Too much dopamine release at one time - (which is basically what psychedelics do on the neurotransmitter level)
is NOT a good experience for anyone!
Those warnings should be out there, because it's reality. There's a bloody reason why they stopped clinical experiments in the eighties with psychedelics and like so often, the history is forgotten. And now those young researchers are repeating the same "psychedelics are the answer" bullshit philosophy like the hippies in the 70s... I am not impressed nor surprised about the fact that a huge study found out that
a) they couldn't replicate the hopeful findings of small experiments. It's said that even one dosis of psychedelics can alleviate severe depressive symptoms. However, results were quite mixed and they found out that the results were not as great as small studies (with methodology design problems) promised!! But big pharma is rubbing their hands already..
b) The main reason why one researcher will shout out "we have great results" is that they do not use double blind trials with randomly assigned adults. Which they did in the huge study, and what a surprise, they couldn't replicate the findings.
c) Plus they critized that former hype studies don't measure long-term effects.
d) Plus they found out that those psychedelics is the answer researchers minimize the negative effects. for example half of the patients had an INCREASE in suizidal thoughts and those hyping researchers interpret that as "normal for depression". WTH? Really?
d) Another finding was that the dosis of psychedelics wasn't a "1 mg micro dose" for resistant depression. It was much higher to have an effect (it was 25mg, which looks little but it is not ).. e) And the biggest problem is that 77% of patients had adverse effects like severe headaches, nausea and no matter how small the dose, they had suicidal ideations or wanted to hurt themselves.
Read this again: suicidal ideation or behavior or self injury occurred in all dose groups.
If you have major depression and are suizidal, you should not risk increasing your downwards spiral.
-->That's exactly what JP says when he questioned if an increase in openness (= high dopamine) combined with high neuroticism (=negative emotions like in depression) is maybe not a good idea...
I couldn't agree more!
I can't find a source anywhere for any good psychedelics in my area, I suffer some pretty bad depression and i got a chance to try K and man it was a miracle substance, I felt free,the only high or euphoria was from the relief of my vices being released, that's exactly what it did
Check
[_James_trayy]
Got psychs
@@sarahh321 Is he on on Instagram or what?
@@Jerryberger9235 Yeah, he's got chocolate bars, magic mushrooms and other psych's
@@sarahh321 thanks, I will get some right away
@@Jerryberger9235 be careful people are on this scamming people all the time. Go to hippy type of show if you like music.
Wow. It’s incredible to hear actual intelligent conversation about psychedelics. Wow.
Psychedelics are a tool.
Not a toy.
Indeed!
A kind of throwaway comment in this discussion, if we can call it that, that I am very interested in is the notion that mania is the impulse or ability of cognitive and category reorganization, but what it is missing or or has some defect in is the catalyzation. So, in effect, you have the upwelling of arguably increased perception plus generative activity, but the ability to transform that into something sustained and useful on the back-end is compromised. Either way, it's like going through the trip without any back-end shift. There's the experience of a rapid-fire experimentation with different connections, but nothing actually gets rewired. As I think about that more, there's also a component to mania which often involves returning to essential narrative or delusion, and so in that sense, it's like there's all this hyper experimentation with new connections, while at the core, there is this very rigid catalyzation, or what they are referring to in some places as overlearning. It's interesting that even in this kind of whirlwind of potential new connection generation, there is this rigid overlearning that stands at the center, unfazed and untransformed.
Thank you gentlemen, that seems to be a highly interesting topic you are exploring and discussing about. I have found myself automating speach whilst typing something else. In other cases, have I found myself making errors, if I was watching the keyboard, rather than concentrating on the heard text and typing without putting attention to the keyboard. I strongly believe in the memory of the body, or motor output (?). At about 1:50:00 It appears to me that a lot of human activities is striving to be energy efficient.
Should interview Peter Sjöstedt-Hughes. Philosopher with special emphasis on Whitehead and Nietzsche, and psychedelics.
10:50 ok so this situation hits really close to me. My dad honestly is the worst man I have ever met, and it's true it calibrated my brain so that It wasn't tuned to genetic people, which may I add are totally dull, some parts of me are greatful for my trauma as it didn't accustomed me to hate man, but rather to see the world in such a different lense and that sometimes is a blessing and a curse. It is such an automatic incorrect assumption, but it did lead me to over analyze everyone's personality to the way where I can profile it correctly, but my situation growing up opened a relationship with me and my mind where I perhaps spend a lot of time overthinking and analyzing myself and others, to the point of dissecting myself in a way where I don't recognize. I specialize in finding the flaws of broken people or people who have actually lived a traumatic live and the trauma that created those flaws. Not justifying them just knowing why they are the way they are, but things turn so much darker when I do it to myself. I wonder what specifically made him go to the man hating scenario though, considering its a father he dismissed the affection that an offspring might have for their parents regardless of their monstrosities, kind of surprises me that he so willingly overlooked that. It makes me question on wether he was trying to appease his Main audience which Is dominantly male.
Two great minds elucidating profound, meaningful topics.
By injecting the thought disease of religion into everything. He's an arrogant ignorant pompous ay whole
Totally understand Mr. Petersons enthusiasm, but would've liked to hear more from his guest, because he also has A LOT of insight, knowledge and wisdom.
Jordan, you've interviewed some of the most popular figures in the field of psychedelic research, but I strongly recommend to talk with lesser-known figures, whom have been working on psychedelics for much more time and produced more professional and rigorous work, such as the Swiss ones (Vollenweider, Liechti, Preller). They will provide an insight from the best science that could be done.
These are the types of conversations I have sought throughout my life - across every subject, not simply psychedelics.
I have met only a very few, two maybe three others who are either interested or capable of this level of investigation.
Why do people choose to watch banal television when there is so much to learn.
How can anyone ever so 'I'm bored'? I have never ever been bored - I don't know what it feels like.
Anyone else out there feel this way?
Namaste x
Beware of rabbit holes.
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Interesting... When they were talking about rebirth, I immediately thought about Frank Herbert's Dune saga. In many of those books, characters are fundamentally transformed or reborn through traumatic experience. For example, Duncan Idaho is reborn thousands of times. His clones 're-awaken' to his past memories, always through intense pain. Intense experience triggers a "hard reset" in many of the characters.
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I hope this proves to be somewhat helpful: ego is a circumference of a circle, within a circle is a pure abstraction, no meaning, so it can become whatever it needs to be. Outside of what the ego perceives is reality which is the opposite of abstraction: absolute meaning since it can't be anything else. Ego is the mediator between the those two extremes and just an aspect of personality. So it is the job of the ego to filter and to function as balance between the two extremes: abstract and absolute. The ego actually dissolves/recycles perceived reality to create personality. And personality is a pattern which finds/creates meaning from abstraction (in conjunction with reality), the personality is the only pattern which ego can recognize. A perhaps fun fact that personality may contain more than one circumference, like ripples in water and reality is the stone that makes them. Unfortunately that sometimes results in disorders rather than layers of being and perceiving. So i think that probably all psychological 'disturbances' originate from perception of empathy gone awry. And maliciousness is not the core of a disturbance, it's the consequence. For instance, empathy is not how someone feels it's how 'i' feel or it wouldn't be empathy. So I'm guessing that some ego may perceive empathy as a false reality because it introduces a strange/new type of 'self' which doesn't fall into a typical patten within personality since it originates from a different form of abstraction or pattern of meaning formation. So empathy to an extremely rigid ego might seem like an intruder since it's a non familiar pattern which implies chaos...
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One thing we need is instruction in how to pray. Not to ask god for favors but learn to pray for grace. Prayer is a powerful psychotechnology
Finally. Robin's work needs more exposure. This man is a hero.
Dr. Peterson's swag is on point right here! 👌
I had a good friend who used to grow mushrooms. We did a decent dose of it and I got visions of him being in a hedge maze hiding from himself. The second time (approximately 1 month later it resulted in a deja-vu sensation. Everything said by either of us felt like we said it before. This was ongoing until I decided to just lay down and go to sleep. It is intriguing to say the least. I still want to try it again but in a setting with someone with more experience in this matter.
Sometimes it’s better alone.
At 1:11:00 I am loving where JBP is going…I just started reading Anthony Esolen’s “ten ways to destroy the imagination of your child”. So far highly recommend but now I’m left in despair with no where to turn. I want to be at home with my 6yo and 3yo, or find an environment that will nurture their creativity (rooted in truth).
He worked with Dr. Nut to develop the magic mushrooms?! I am beginning to see the origin of the Italian plumbers dood.
Dr. P. Masterclass for all mental health pract. Excellent views on perception Dr. P. It is my hope as this topic develops in the mental health field, we take a slow approach with topics like prior addiction, the marketing of this topic, family studies-origin, other applications such as dementia or brain injuries. Basic ethical considerations Dr. P. Once good studies are done, how will this be used with AI to rewire the brain in a positive direction. Yes, unlearning negative behaviors of addiction through positive ritual replacement. A larger question sir is how larger organizations will adopt this topic into their mission statement to help people A great deal of gray areas Dr. P. Good work sir. Keep it up.
Questions:
What happens when a person goes under these drugs with negative emotions vs positive emotions?
The person can either integrate and learn from the negative emotions or they curl into a ball.
It can get worse than you're currently able to imagine. Can really scramble your stuff & leave you pretty well shellshocked.
"Bad" trip vs "Good" trip. But you always learn something and grow
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Wouldn't schizophrenia be a better example of a pathology of creativity? Manic depression strikes me more as a result of too much extraversion and neuroticism. Then you can, hypothetically, map out pathologies associated with each of the five-factor model of personality:
High openness: schizophrenia.
High conscientiousness: OCD.
High extraversion: mania.
High agreeableness: Munchhausen?
High neuroticism: anxiety/depression.
Then there would be pathologies that correspond to too low degrees of these factors (e.g. narcissism = low neuroticism) and combinations of several factors (e.g. manic depression = high extraversion and neuroticism).
Note: when I say "high," I mean overregulation by the system providing corrective behaviour rooted in a particular factor.
Excellent insights and interesting. However, I would have enjoyed discussion more if JP pulled back, allowing his guest more time to speak. In particular, JP could have spent much more time eliciting opinions instead of giving them.
It’s not always easy for people to acknowledge that we are invisible, forgettable, micro dots of energy within the fabric of a vast Universe.
We are reflections of the infinite.
Peterson!! I’d love to hear more about your personal experiences with psychedelics, I know you tend to focus on more ‘scholarly’ topics; but the insight you gained from that experience you briefly mentioned in an interview with Dawkins is revolutionary and needed.
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In contrast to every other point in history, the fact that the layman now has access to these kind of conversations, brings a quantum leap in our ability for self development and understanding.
I am a Patreon supporter of Jordan Peterson, I am a member of Daily Wire and have TH-cam premium. Shouldn’t this mean I don’t have to listen to ads?
I wondered all the time my whole life about why God loves us so much. And I've never been able to come up with anything in 39 years until right now.
I think it's because we put our eternal souls on the front lines in the battle between good and evil, here on Earth in bodies of extremely sensitive flesh completely exposed to good and evil with faith alone guiding us forward
We ARE God!
@@michaelg1569 we are part of God's creation
@@billymeadows1739 realizing that we are God is liberating.
Jordan you've gotta stop interrupting your guests man. You have important shit to say, just work on holding on to it until the speaker is finished haha.
Half the conversation I don’t understand but the more I listen the better I get at understanding the conversation.. in awe of the intelligence and I hope to aspire to that one day
Oh boy, are we going to hear about Dr. Peterson's mushroom experience soon?
He had an interview with Richard Dawkins where he details his experiences.
@@JFroTheMusician oh wow, I am not a fan of Dawkins so I probably skipped that one.
Terrance Mckenna once said, “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to the commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood.
This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a featherbed.”
Always good to hear from you each week.
Today I understood that I need to get my house in order even more. As to decrease my neuroticism levels constantly in a manner that potential gets maximised. Or is there even a maximum? if you keep housing new material and knowledge and experiences in your mind as you keep order as they come in. Keep learning and process each unit of knowledge enterring your environment. I think today, the processing part might be the hardest since the knowledge is so widely available with the invention of the internet. Might also explain the overlearning syndrome.
Throwing multiple concepts in here that seem to me are very well connected.
-the action taken to the problem
-the limitless potential that we can increase (imagine if we live two centuries.)
-what might fundamentally be what overlearned is. The incapacity to process new data
- or the unwillingness to try to ingest new data.
Any thoughts?
And in the end, the point of ingesting and processing new data would be to increase in "wisdom"
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A wonderful conversation, a minor issue that bugged me: Dr. Peterson seemed a bit impatient in waiting for Dr. Carhart-Harris to complete voicing his ideas every now and then, especially if something came to mind in the middle of what Dr. Carhart-Harris was saying. Perhaps it's just the way their particular personalities interact, but I felt a bit sorry for Dr. Carhart-Harris xD
People do that when they're excited and engaged in the discussion.
i liked this conversation but wish it focused more on the psychedelic experience and his research
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Just a glance at this world, shows people how little we really understand. I honestly feel bad for anyone that hasn't tried LSD. To see your own hands but as you see them they appear and feel like they are made of a ancient and noble oak, and to feel that what inside you is ancient, and noble at it's very roots, can really change how someone feels day to day. That is just one moment I felt out of many. After my first experience my eyes were replaced with a child, and 20 years later I haven't lost that completely.
Ah. Only 8 mins in and I hav learned that we "automate" our habits by repetition. Our brain creates new neural connections to automate things that we do repeatedly. Although I knew that subconsciously; having it put in words this way makes it much clearer to understand. When we put effort into making good habits our brain will begin to make those good habits happen without us thinking about it is.
Tbh I would be very, very, very careful in disposing of Terrence McKenna's ideas as " in all likelihood false". (1:32:00)
It can very well be that Terrence was ahead of his time.
Anyhow, you shouldn't dismiss them without knowing the terrain intimately yourself.
It's like saying that someone speaking of a foreign land or deep earth crusts that have never been probed is false because you yourself haven't been there or haven't seen it yourself.
I'm not saying T.M. is right by default or in all his points, but I found that things of his which I dismissed at first have come to make sense more and more to me over the years the more I have come to understand what he actually means.
What's the difference in presuming "it's real" vs presuming "it's not real"?
Public service announcement: DONT be tempted to buy psychedelics from ppl in YT comments, trust me.
That's just Darwinism, right there.
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In college I minored in cognitive science philosophy. I was forever changed by what I learned. I have great interest in Paul Thagard's notion of "coherence" and how the belief system can be built around a coherence philosophy. Please reach out to Dr. Thagard and do an episode on his theories on coherence.
Conscious. Psychedelics.
I truly hope Dr. Peterson can talk more about the beauty of art. How could ordinary people appreciate the artwork and not tie up to all those political ideology debates so much?
God bless you Jordan. Thank you.
My name is Matthew iam 35 and I would like to say thank you iv been listening to you for the past year your Bible lectures and so on iam I was an addict up to about ten years ago and iv changed my life I never wanted a family or anything like that but after listening to you iv have changed my life so much more this past year iv gotten with someone and am really thinking about starting a family we have been together for a year now and are looking to the future with hope witch I never had in my life since childhood won't get into the details but not good so thank for the hope and responsibility
I became a real bad alcoholic I was sick on it I needed whiskey in morning to numb the sickness before I could function. And out of know where I woke up one morning and it was over like a light switch turned completely off. I can even casually drink now without the fear of addiction. I can not explain it. Except God answered my prayer
I've had a similar experience. Went to AA and everything, thinking I was doomed to the destiny of alcohism. I left AA, didn't try very hard to quit. Kept waking up to that drink. One day, woke up, and it was over. Maybe I have a drink once a month, it's been at least three months where i sit now. No cravings, nothing. Just casual drinking if I'm in a socal situation where it's appropriate.
I had that but I switched to other stuff again unfortunately. So without that I can see how strong of and experience that would be if not using something else.
Give credit where it is due.
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What visual artist doesn't explore visual representation but also cultural representation! Apophenia and Pareidolia are logical counters to being in a highly plastic perceptual state. If you're in the middle of perceptual flux of course you'll try to make sense of it and depending on the dosage of the drug things will be made manifest by the unconscious mind if you let it, unfortunately all your senses are communicating with each other at the same time. Add to that highly emotionally charged responses then you've got a full bingo card for something going awry unless you ignore it all and comfort yourself with the fact that this is a situation whereby it is better to be detatched and lucid rather than overly reacting emotionally or intellectually as you may find yourself down some very dark or at least surreal alleys. On the other hand you can just enjoy or at the very least decant the experience. How you approach your own perception is crucial. Artists can exploit such avenues. As a teenager I practised techniques to enable astral projection and lucid dreaming. I had more real than real experiences but on reflection years later I would say the mind is capable of building environments in immense detail but in the end it is just lapidary solipsism. I think the hierarchical biological, neurological, cultural stuff linked to Biblical narrative here by Peterson, however, is just such an example of dodgy thinking or overthinking; it's a pretty apophenic in itself... it also may explain a few of his "issues". But it's unsurprising that he'd turn to such hermeneutics...When people extrapolate into knock ons into cultural issues then I'm not so convinced - in fact I'm very, very leary. The fact that we should all return to nature as some sort of neurological and mental health 'heimat' for the 'volk' or some Christian doctrine doesn't fill me with assurance but then I'm probably overly interpreting this. But it would be easy to make those leaps wouldn't it? Having said that Carhart-Harris's paper on the entropic brain is fascinating and well worth downloading.
I am yet to watch this but I will say this. I have always been against drugs and psychedelics as a route to spiritual truth. There is a reason why the wise of the past warned against them (I'm thinking Buddha in particular). There are no shortcuts. Perhaps they can be helpful in the short term. But, true transformation comes over time from a life dedicated to spiritual practice, whatever the tradition. Ask the meditation and contemplation teachers who tried things like LSD back in 70s and (fortunately) discovered that wasn't the way. Apologies if I completely missed the point of the discussion.😄
I'm guessing you are correct, but I can see them used as a way to break a psychological log jam and be a psychological boost to get some one out of a ditch.
@@johnsmithers8913 Yeah agreed
Reading "how to change your mind", Michael Pollan. He got a lot of benefit, but presents it as "spiritual but not supernatural". It's a way for "absolutist materialists" to get our head on straight.
I choose not to reset. I choose to carry forward courageously while negotiating with all the baggage so that I can be above all the pain and misery. I believe that is what we are called for, and the thought of resetting back to the last starting line is horrifying to learn the lessons again. Got the T shirt and not going back.
Love the attitude, certainly admirable. I just think of it more like a hard drive cleanup than an actual reset or loss of some crucial data.
Actually, 15 years ago I even wrote my master thesis on the great and promising work of Stanislav Grof in the 1950s and 60s, which was then promtly cut with the onset of the „war on drugs” (Grof's, not mine)...
... Then I became a low-tier career musician and all of that went to hell, my mental health included 😀
At least we got brilliant people like that still chasing the subject and making it public in such a competent and captivating way.
Welcome to reincarnation.
I think you’re misinterpreting what a “reset” means in reference to psychedelics. It’s not like your brain becomes a blank piece of paper. You are just able to view your thoughts and experiences for what they truly are and not what others impose on you. It’s just like cleaning up a dirty room. Keeping the room dirty doesn’t make you “courageous” or more driven. It bogs down your ability to be productive in that room. When your room is clean you feel refreshed. You feel more like yourself.
" There's a point of agreement." These words just changed my ability to communicate for the better. Thanku Dr Peterson
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very happy to see this topic
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@Bryson Martinez sounds like a trap
Love the content Jordan Magic Mushrooms saved my life, any thoughts on psychonaughts??
Thank you JBP. I've watched this doctor's lectures for a number of years now. I have ZERO education in his field of study, but he knows his material so well, that he can explain it clearly enough that I can follow.
When the mushrooms become idols...
I think I have to agree with Robin. Overlearning, which he also termed defensive learning, has been, and continues to be, a life inhibitting habit. Instead of choosing to face the unknown in good faith while seeing and learning things as they truly are, I build and expand on past learnings. It kills experience and aliveness.
*Shrooms legit saved my life after the military.*
To me this episode could be summed up as a discussion of the permeability of honeycombs - if your brain were composed of honeycomb cells full of dreams/temperaments/traits/neurons/stars dust/photos/galaxies-of-photons/electricity/energies, etc etc and they’re actually capturing/articulating this idea using an array of real life, applicable, examples. I really wish he had all his conversations in person though. I think we’re suffering from lack of the element that creates. Petersen’s reddening quality is that he can almost get away with this because we always do seem to walk away with armfuls of fruit. I also dare to dream if I could handle a conversation with him on his podcast - I wish he would just talk to the average joe sometimes - it would ameliorate the bridge between white and blue collar by us who carry out the spirit Petersen puts forth in our own custom, yet aligned, way. I enjoy Jordan’s step down from the intellectual heights when he humbled himself and draws on personal examples, it’s at that resolution that we’re hook, sinker, and bobber to the damn grill 😂. I’d love to throw some of my wrapped ideas on the table in front of him and see if he turns on his father-mode, God that would be funny and feel so therapeutic haha. Now. Phone down. Laundry again. 😂
I'm extremely skeptical about psychedelics. It maps far too well onto the story of the fall in Genesis where Adam and Eve grab for knowledge and power that they are not ready for. I don't know how JP hasn't seen this connection
So you are saying Adam and Eve should be the only humans period (storyline wise not reality)
He’s strongly cautioned about seeking unearned wisdom before even if he didn’t mention the genesis story.
Some are ready for the beatific visions psychedelics have the potential to induce. Emphasis on SOME and POTENTIAL. Mystical experiences also come on naturally and spontaneously (as it did in my case in March 2013) so it’s clearly not a forbidden experience.
There's a lot of assumptions baked in there. The attainment of knowledge could also be seen as the awakening of consciousness in the Human experience, imbuing that which the knowledge is bestowed *responsibility*. Perhaps psychedelic's have played a role. But this is part of the human story. We might otherwise revert back to animals
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No that's not at all what I'm saying. But psychedelic use was heavily regulated in the past by long standing societal traditions that grew over a great period of time.
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So under Robin's idea, psychedelic experience is physiologically and psychologically similar to natural high-stress dissociation and near-death experience. I wonder if our ancestors that did a majority of the evolution of the human organism had more regular/frequent high-stress experiences (lion attacks, etc.), and if this led to more functional/adaptive "mental health" (or less frequency of chronic depression/pathology). And then if psychedelic use became more regular in safer societies of people as a way of getting the same "fix." I am curious about how/if PTSD manifested in earlier people as well. It seems to me like PTSD is only recognizable in people that are now in a non-traumatic environment.
I used LSD yesterday, a small amount. In the middle of the "the trip" (you could barely call it one) I suddenly felt like I chipped my front tooth. It was a minor chip, but I felt it very clearly with my tounge and lips... My right front tooth was sharper and thinner.... I freaked out. When did this happen?! Then I remembered I had chipped that tooth 10 years ago! It seems to me like my brain had been filtering out the sensory input relating to it from entering my contious mind all these years... and somehow under lsd the filter fell away. Now it's the next day and the sensation is filtered out again, but because I remember, I can now focus on the tooth and still feel the chippedness with my tongue and finger. And I see in the mirror it's the same size as it was... barely noticible. Not sure what this says about how psychedelics work, but i thought it was interesting. General disclaimer: always get screened for manic depression and schizophrenia in the family before trying lsd or other psychedelics. Don't end up like Kanye.
Hope that Bos Peterson could go to Bali and make a little bit research about psychedelic on Balinese Magic Mushroom. Thank you for spread the knowledge, Mentor🙌
I am forever grateful to have discovered you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and also making me think deeply…