What about getting back to basics!Build the vehicles that people need and want. Not everyone needs a high end vehicle or a mid range vehicle. Some of us would be very happy with a basic vehicle. I would love to have my old Dodge D-50 with a standard transmission and four wheel drive and a almost 8ft box. Standard everything. Windows, seats, ac and heat,basic stereo. You say you want to save the environment, but yet you want all this throw away technology? Give me back the basics and you guys will sell more vehicles.
@@garrydefilippis4492 that's not what happened. At least, not to the extent to bring the prices back into line with where we were pre COVID . People are still buying. Not at past years rates but not enough to force more drastic cuts
They are selling $45K trucks for $100K so 35% isn’t enough . They need to start selling the higher end trucks for $45K to $50K and offer $27K models for the lower trim models . I’m just being realistic here and I realize they can’t sell these for 20K that they are trying to sell for 100K but they can do it for 45K and they better figure it out . The car car companies need to higher fierce negotiators to explain to the morons in congress and the epa the difference between reality and fantasy too and work together as a whole to refuse to comply with a lot of their outrageous regulations . If all the auto companies refuse to comply with their dumb regulations at the same time they’ll stop because they will be blamed when things go down hill and government bureaucrats never want everybody pointing the finger solely at them for all the problems that are going on . By doing this they can cut cost even more and a mechanic wont have to have a degree in rocket science to be truly competent in vehicle repair . All this high tech mumbo jumbo is going to require serious degrees at some point in the future resulting in much higher repair costs . There are so many things wrong with the auto industry right now due to greed and the government and very few if any politicians have been a mechanic, engineer, factory worker, or car salesman so they have no idea what they are doing when then write legislation on anything to do with automobiles .
@@saddestoftimes411 yeah but they have to make it to where their labor force can afford their product if they can’t do that they are failures . A lot of cost comes with complying with ridiculous government regulations and a bunch of high tech garbage that nobody needs . It costed a lot less money to build a car in the 80s, and 90s and wages are the same or less when adjusted for inflation .
The key word in Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is "Suggested". A 35% price reduction from the manufacturer means that dealerships have more room for profit and will likely not pass that price reduction on to buyers. That's why they called dealerships and not automotive retailers.
the last new truck i bought cost me 23k. it was a 2000 ram 1500 4x4, i still own it today. now they want 50 to 100k. i know there will be price increases over time but this is absolutely insane.
Even if they cut prices they still make a garbage product. Stellantis didn't just increase prices. They cut corners to make vehicles as cheap as possible to keep profits high. Don't be fooled by cheaper prices.
It won't matter much so long as dealerships can markup pricing. Meaning that their profit margins will go up, but customs likely will not see any major changes in pricing trends. Dealerships are effectively scalpers for cars.
@@dsonnek7781you gotta adjust for inflation though. That 24k in 1996 it’s about 48k in 2024. The problem is that these top of the line trucks are all like 100k fully loaded.
It costs what $15k to build one! And then they want you to pay 6x what it costs to build? WTF? I could see $30k from factory to dealer and then $45k from dealer to customer! But $100k-$160k? No Fkn Way! I bought a Tundra TRD Pro for a total of $91k only because my previous Ford, Chrysler and GMC products were hunks of junk! By the time I paid them off after 5-yrs I had 100k miles on them and I'd essentially paid for them twice when factoring in all the repairs! I bought a Tundra new in 2007 and drove it til 2023, it had 285k miles and was worn out from parking 200 ft from the ocean for 14-years. In all that time the only mechanical issues were the serpentine belt tensioner wheel, the radiator, and several batteries. By 2023 the constant exposure to salt air had rusted the body, frame, bumpers, etc...
I had great luck with two Ram 2500 Cummins. One a 1998 and 2007 respectably. Both were pre government mandated emissions controls. They were assembled in Saltillo, MX where it's a cherished job and they can be fired for doing subpar work. never a squeak or rattle in either with scores of Baja runs carrying a 2200# popup cabover.
Lol why not just give for free while they are at it, some of you have unrealistic expectations, 35-40% would be the mark to be what prices would of been almost 10 years ago adjusted for inflation, definitely a step in the right direction.
@@giovannimorales1675 I am being more realistic then you could ever be! Why not buy 4 or more at regular price be realistic you don't need 35 -40 % off !
That just means they will offer 35% less for your trade now🤣 Example, your 100k 392 Rubicon you want to trade for an RHO RAM, now has a trade value of 19,500💲
I would suggest that ALL truck manufacturers get back to building much cheaper, more reliable, work-oriented vehicles. Not everyone needs or wants four door cabs, with cargo beds shrunk to minuscule size or bloated overall lengths. Not everyone wants failure prone, expensive to maintain electrical features and subsystems.
Stellantis did not stand up for us when thier disgusting dealerships took us for whatever they could and more. Not a great business moto. That goes for all of the big three especially, stellantis!!!
I worked for Chrysler many years. Before Covid a SRT grand Cherokee was 62 thousand and a wrangler Sahara was 42 thousand now basic grand Cherokee is 60 thousand and a wrangler is going for 70k. That’s nuts
Even if the new price is reasonable....it's the crappy quality of the Stellantis group is selling that turns off so many buyers. No one should buy unless that absolutely have too. And I'm talking from a guy who has bought five new Dodge/Chrysler products over the years, and was pretty happy with them.
If American car makers are selling $45,000 trucks for $80,000 grand, then the Japanese can sell their $30,000 trucks for $65,000. If corporate America was not so greedy, the imports would not overprice their reliable cars and trucks. Then, the consumers would be the winners, and American brands would not have lots filled with onsold vehicles.
I would never buy a Stellantis product at this point. They raised prices and lowered the quality. And Chrysler products weren't exactly the reliability leaders in the first place.
I thought about buying a new auto a year ago but dealer marked up $2500 over MSRP and that was enough for me to walk away continue driving my 2004 Accord and by the sound of it I’ll have to for the foreseeable future as dealers continue their mark up shenanigans
They are going to need to do more than just dropping prices! They need to give us our V8 engines back. These V6 engines can not give the trucks the power needed for towing and hauling.
I bought a very nice 1996 F150 with the straight 6 , 5 speed. 2 wheel drive, duel tanks and an 8' bed. I paid $2,000. then sunk $10,000. into it buying every part that might be bad or going bad. Either way, my truck will outlast any new truck another 28 years. My #2 car is a 2008 Ford Focus with 25,000. miles on it, my mom stopped driving and gave me the car. These new cars are not only unreliable, but they keep track of you and can be shut off with a click of a switch by the government. I'll keep my privacy and peace of mind Thank you. I have worked at Roush Performance doing Retro repairs straight off the assembly line. New cars are only built to outlast the warranty.
They increased the MSRP by 41% since 2019, it's why we decided not to buy again for a couple yrs, and we may not buy new anymore, get one second hand F' these greedy monopolies. stay well
Stellantis should concentrate on improving RELIABILITY, and produce simple, affordable vehicles. Many new cars contain too much technology that often breaks down after a few years. Also, produce some affordable compact cars. Many drivers want a basic car to get to work.
Won't save them. They stuck it to way too many die hard mopar coustomers for WAY too long! Who will ever forget the challenger shenanigans?! No one ever!!
Will dealership greed still be allowed? They should not be allowed to add on packages the customers do not want or do ANY mark ups! Ex. Bolton Dodge in Port Artur TX has a 40k mark up on a 2022 Jeep wrangler. Lets hope they go out of business
We customers won’t buy them and watch them sit and rot on the car lots of years. I don’t know about others, but I don’t need a new vehicle every few years. I’ll wait 4-5 years before I buy a used vehicle lol they need to listen to it’s customers
Critical and 'not as critical' engine components made of plastic is what the buying public should be more outraged about. Vehicles with premature failures, not matter what they cost, is what should cause consumer backlash. But most people probably never open the hoods of their cars, so manufacturers continue to get away with it; which is why current vehicles are just 'lease-mobiles' or 'after warranty throw-aways'.
Most mechanics that have plenty of experience (meaning they are old generation) will tell you that turbo charged v6's wont last as long as a V8's and are way too complicated to work on (more parts...more to go bad). I've been keeping my v8's as long as possible (RAM and Chevy trucks) because of that stupid decision to get rid of v8's. They are NOT more efficient. You only typically get 2 miles a gallon more but all the trouble they cause with repair bills you will be losing money in the long run. People like me (farming) need the v8's for power and dependability.
I decided in the middle of COVID, not to buy/lease any vehicle until prices took a 40% decrease. Like auto prices went up 40%+. Everyone stop buying/leasing and take your control back!
Don't know why they kept on showing the former CEO, whom they "retired". Hopefully Tim Kuniskis will be able to right this ship. Follow Toyota's lead on their current trucks. They have major quality problems but are backing up their product--replacing engines on 110,000 '22-24 Tundras and replacing transmissions in the new Tacoma. No, they shouldn't be having these quality problems but they are addressing them without being forced to in lawsuits or NHTSA recalls. A similar problem with Ecodiesels at RAM was met with denial and delay in backing their customers. Their trucks are the best riding, most comfortable, quietist, and best interiors now all they need is to raise the quality and drop the prices. And, contrary to a number of just plain silly comments below, that means drop prices by 20-25% (saying they need to drop prices by more than 35% is rather stupid--look at SUV and car prices and a 20-25% drop will make the trucks cheaper than the SUV's).
I have a simple solution for the big three….. quit forcing everyone to buy vehicle safety equipment we don’t really need! I KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. Airbags , not everyone really needs them , seatbelts do the bulk of the work and are not super expensive like airbag systems, anti-lock brakes, not necessarily needed, tpms systems not really needed, ADAS SYSTEMS (VERY EXPENSIVE) NOT REALLY NEEDED, SUPER EXPENSIVE STEREO AND DISPLAYS SHOULD BE OPTIONAL! IF I CAN JUMP ON MY 200 MILE PER HOUR kawasaki POCKET ROCKET IN MY THONG SWIMSUIT WITH ABSOLUTELY no safety equipment of any kind and hit 60 mph in 3- seconds what’s the !@%£#¥!@& governments problem! You could probably cut 20-30 thousand dollars of the cost of the vehicles! Let the rich people order those high dollar options if they want them.
The dealers are thieves, the one in merriville Indiana, there is a guy there that is really rud, pushy. Loud mouth, I hope the dealer fires him. I’m going to spread the word how he treats customers
He said the V8 comeback, they should have never been discontinued. The auto industries don't give the consumer what they want, they make their cars and trucks and tell us, this is what you need. Buy it or leave it, you have no other options.
Carlos has been gone for 2 weeks now, John Elkann is the Chairman and Executive Director of Stellantis, while the role of CEO is vacant. Carlos Tavares was the CEO of Stellantis until he left the company. He was appointed CEO and Executive Director on January 17, 2021, when Stellantis was formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Peugeot maker PSA Group. Tavares was known for being a successful automotive leader, and was credited with turning around Opel. However, he left the company amid concerns about the company's performance. Other members of Stellantis' board of directors include: Robert Peugeot: Vice Chairman and Non-executive Director Henri de Castries: Senior Independent Director
They have to improve the quality and build these parts here need to tariff imports to the point the parts will be so expensive that they will thru necessity build them here.
Today here in NC I offered a dealer 30% below the original MSRP for 2 x 3500's valued at $89k and I was flatly turned down. They did not want to talk. So sad.
I bought my 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie in March 2019. It was priced at $57,100. They sold it to me for $45,000 or 20% off the MSRP because it had been on their lot for over 6 months. Today, a similarly optioned 2024 Ram 1500 is listed at $67,500 MSRP. So, 35% off $67500 would be a price of $43835 or a $1165 lower price than I paid in 2019. This seems like a good deal to me, but my truck has been so good I have no plans to trade for a V-6 turbo powered pickup.
My 2019 GMC Sierra Denali 2500hd with duramax window sticker was $63k brand new. Today the same truck with more technology features is $80-110k. My theory is they raised all of these car prices to equal the value of the EV vehicles and offset those costs of being built. EV’s in the beginning were way more and who can afford them right! So let’s level the playing field and that’s what they’ve done and try to push the EV’s on us and make them look more affordable.
In 2004 a loaded 3/4 ton Ram Diesel had a msrp of roughly 35,000. Using an inflation calculator, $35,000 in 2004 is equivalent to $60,000 in 2024. Factor in all the tech and gadgets in today's truck VS a 2004 Ram and you can see that there is so much more in the current truck. $70k-$80k for a fully loaded 3/4 ton diesel in 2025 is more than reasonable. Factor in sales and rebates and promotions that happen through the year and an average price of $75k msrp with the possibility to buy under $70k during sales promotions is more than fair. i think Ram and Dodge have many good things to look forward to with Tim Kuniskis back at the helm. Hopefully he will find a better suppliers for outsourced parts with better quality, have enough operating cash to even increase in-house parts that have the largest margins, and sell the hell out of vehicles again. Regardless of the brand, more than passenger vehicles I truly believe pickup owners have a sense of pride in their trucks and hopefully... the MSRP drops will be the start of a fierce competition with the top 3 to make better trucks at a lesser cost to the buyers.
Stellantis raised their prices over 60% from 2020. Companies like Subaru only kept up with inflation and raised prices 24%. Stellantis was ripping people off and they are now paying for it with fewer customers. Them slashing prices by 35% brings them back in line with inflation, they’re not doing anything.
My Grandfather and father have both retired from Chrysler Corporation, and both are probably rolling in their graves from what this once great car company is now. Plymouth, Chrysler and Dodge all used to have multiple models , Now the whole manufacturer is owned by another country and about to go under.
I wanted a gas HD truck. I almost bought a RAM 2500 in 2024 but ended up with a slightly used GMC AT4 2500HD because I don't trust the Hemi oiling system or Stellantis quality in general. We do own a 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee and that has been reliable but that was 2020!
It's a start, but it doesn't go far enough. In the long run, the manufacturers also must design the vehicles so that they can be better and more easily maintained. You can't just design a vehicle where maintenance items are not accessible, because it means that maintenance costs will be much higher. And people cannot afford to buy new cars as they did in the past.
Imagine being the sucker who bought a car a day before these cuts. Now imagine being someone thinking about buying one, but waiting to see if there will be another large % drop, so you wait. This was a dumb play for the auto company on every level.
I see This may tank refinance options for used stellantis vehicles( in simple terms this could bring values down even in the used market, thus speeding up depreciation of older models forcing people to sell and buy new so they don’t drown in payments)
People Say they won't buy when they are high prices. Now there is a dealer ship near me trucks wouldn't move from the lot for over a year and most people said they were not going to kiss their ass and pay for one. Well that changed now my neighbor got a truck after taxes and tags 71678.00 his payment for 72 months is 1147 a month at lowest rate of 9% interest
35% MSRP cut is a nice start. But it's only a start. The MSRP has to match consumer potentialities. They need the metric to fall into this... What is the percentage of the MSRP level with the result of default on payment. What has the default rate become? Bring the prices down to the point where people shouldn't have to choose between making a car payment or feeding their family. Now put pressure on the government for passing laws that force the MSRP upward for features NO ONE wants or cares about.
Automobile prices will only go up! All auto manufactures have recently given their production associates HUGE raises. Even the frame worker in Alabama makes $32.00 an hour not counting benefits.
35% is not enough.
These vehicles are not worth $65,000 or anything near that.
AGREEEEE!!!
Yep.
Exactly 💯
I just knew they were going to say 50k! Then we could negotiate down some more. Wishful thinking I guess. I’ll stick to my 2006 Nissan
I'd take a rebel for 42k new
Even at 35% its not enough no truck is worth 80k to 100k
Agree with that!
Imagine what would happen to prices if customers went on strike and just didn’t buy vehicles for one month.
Guess we're never going to find out.
Imagine if they did it for 3 months (1 fiscal quarter). That would really get their attention.
That would be interesting. Supply and demand!!!!
Let’s bring these greedy people back to earth and NOT buy them for at least 3 months and then see how they feel!
What about getting back to basics!Build the vehicles that people need and want. Not everyone needs a high end vehicle or a mid range vehicle. Some of us would be very happy with a basic vehicle. I would love to have my old Dodge D-50 with a standard transmission and four wheel drive and a almost 8ft box. Standard everything. Windows, seats, ac and heat,basic stereo. You say you want to save the environment, but yet you want all this throw away technology? Give me back the basics and you guys will sell more vehicles.
You want to bring prices down? STOP BUYING!!
That’s exactly what happened
If only the consumer minded sheep could figure that one out.
@@garrydefilippis4492 that's not what happened. At least, not to the extent to bring the prices back into line with where we were pre COVID . People are still buying. Not at past years rates but not enough to force more drastic cuts
First, they raised the price 65%, now is 35% off.
Add to this , they will compensate the difference in spare parts prices and maintenance.
@@zuhairjanbi1887 no joke there all are very unreliable
That’s what I’m saying. They’re full of crao. They will get the Gov. to bail them out and still raise prices while never having to pay back loans.
UAW hat ja auch kräftige Lohnerhöhung bekommen
It needs to be 50% to even hit reasonable.Not just Stellantis either.
Absolutely! All vehicles have climbed to the ridiculous number. I will NEVER pay 6 figures for a car or truck.
They are selling $45K trucks for $100K so 35% isn’t enough . They need to start selling the higher end trucks for $45K to $50K and offer $27K models for the lower trim models . I’m just being realistic here and I realize they can’t sell these for 20K that they are trying to sell for 100K but they can do it for 45K and they better figure it out . The car car companies need to higher fierce negotiators to explain to the morons in congress and the epa the difference between reality and fantasy too and work together as a whole to refuse to comply with a lot of their outrageous regulations . If all the auto companies refuse to comply with their dumb regulations at the same time they’ll stop because they will be blamed when things go down hill and government bureaucrats never want everybody pointing the finger solely at them for all the problems that are going on . By doing this they can cut cost even more and a mechanic wont have to have a degree in rocket science to be truly competent in vehicle repair . All this high tech mumbo jumbo is going to require serious degrees at some point in the future resulting in much higher repair costs . There are so many things wrong with the auto industry right now due to greed and the government and very few if any politicians have been a mechanic, engineer, factory worker, or car salesman so they have no idea what they are doing when then write legislation on anything to do with automobiles .
True
Quality-wise, more like $35,000 trucks.
Once they drop union labor, they can. Most of the cost comes from labor cost increases
@@saddestoftimes411 yeah but they have to make it to where their labor force can afford their product if they can’t do that they are failures . A lot of cost comes with complying with ridiculous government regulations and a bunch of high tech garbage that nobody needs . It costed a lot less money to build a car in the 80s, and 90s and wages are the same or less when adjusted for inflation .
We need u tubers exposing greedy dealerships
Humm...
This.🤌🏽💯
35% reduction means that the vehicles are still too expensive. Even a 50% cut would make them too expensive in my opinion
The key word in Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is "Suggested". A 35% price reduction from the manufacturer means that dealerships have more room for profit and will likely not pass that price reduction on to buyers. That's why they called dealerships and not automotive retailers.
Brought it down to regular prices, no deal
Huh?... When has MSRP on a new SUV been under 50k?
@@demetricklouis5710 stealership.
@AH-ne3qn I could care less or give a rat's ass about "When". They're way overpriced...period...end of story
Sell everything with 60% discount without warranty and start over with reliable products
My thoughts exactly
Yep
It will be nowhere near enough until trucks are 30 or $40,000 will not even consider it
Build a truck not a luxury car. Forget the dealership's direct sell to the buyers.
Now that’s a statement that makes sense right there! Cut out the middle man, you’ll sell more and the customers will pay less! Win win for everyone!
If it costs over 30,000, it is not worth it. If it wont go over 300,000 it is junk.
$65,000.00 way overpriced! People are living paycheck to paychecks! This is a Joke!!!
I keep hearing this on TH-cam, but reports from buyers still say dealers aren't budging much.
$90,000.00 as price, add financing, insurance, licensing and now you have the price of a home in many states just a few years ago.
Price cuts don:t mean squat if the product is not reliable.
the last new truck i bought cost me 23k. it was a 2000 ram 1500 4x4, i still own it today. now they want 50 to 100k. i know there will be price increases over time but this is absolutely insane.
This CEO has destroyed the company
Even if they cut prices they still make a garbage product. Stellantis didn't just increase prices. They cut corners to make vehicles as cheap as possible to keep profits high. Don't be fooled by cheaper prices.
It won't matter much so long as dealerships can markup pricing. Meaning that their profit margins will go up, but customs likely will not see any major changes in pricing trends. Dealerships are effectively scalpers for cars.
I'm 62 years old and I still love my horsepower Cars
I won't buy until you have a V8 full sized truck for $20k
Bingo!
Long bed single cab A/C big 6 or a V8
You can absolutely buy a truck like that. Of course it would be a 2010...
My new 1996 dodge ram loaded was $24K, with the inflation the government caused, you'll never see that low of a price again.
@@dsonnek7781you gotta adjust for inflation though. That 24k in 1996 it’s about 48k in 2024.
The problem is that these top of the line trucks are all like 100k fully loaded.
That'll never happen
It costs what $15k to build one! And then they want you to pay 6x what it costs to build? WTF? I could see $30k from factory to dealer and then $45k from dealer to customer! But $100k-$160k? No Fkn Way! I bought a Tundra TRD Pro for a total of $91k only because my previous Ford, Chrysler and GMC products were hunks of junk! By the time I paid them off after 5-yrs I had 100k miles on them and I'd essentially paid for them twice when factoring in all the repairs! I bought a Tundra new in 2007 and drove it til 2023, it had 285k miles and was worn out from parking 200 ft from the ocean for 14-years. In all that time the only mechanical issues were the serpentine belt tensioner wheel, the radiator, and several batteries. By 2023 the constant exposure to salt air had rusted the body, frame, bumpers, etc...
I had great luck with two Ram 2500 Cummins. One a 1998 and 2007 respectably. Both were pre government mandated emissions controls. They were assembled in Saltillo, MX where it's a cherished job and they can be fired for doing subpar work. never a squeak or rattle in either with scores of Baja runs carrying a 2200# popup cabover.
They can keep them, that's not enough to be considered a massive cut !
Make it 50% to 60 % now that's massive!
Right on
75-80%
@@Chirtopher-x4e Why not!
Lol why not just give for free while they are at it, some of you have unrealistic expectations, 35-40% would be the mark to be what prices would of been almost 10 years ago adjusted for inflation, definitely a step in the right direction.
@@giovannimorales1675 I am being more realistic then you could ever be! Why not buy 4 or more at regular price be realistic you don't need 35 -40 % off !
35% off is 65k. That's insane.
We complained about trucks costing the same as a house....so house prices quadrupled.
That just means they will offer 35% less for your trade now🤣 Example, your 100k 392 Rubicon you want to trade for an RHO RAM, now has a trade value of 19,500💲
I would suggest that ALL truck manufacturers get back to building much cheaper, more reliable, work-oriented vehicles. Not everyone needs or wants four door cabs, with cargo beds shrunk to minuscule size or bloated overall lengths. Not everyone wants failure prone, expensive to maintain electrical features and subsystems.
Stellantis did not stand up for us when thier disgusting dealerships took us for whatever they could and more. Not a great business moto. That goes for all of the big three especially, stellantis!!!
Oh boy $65,000 what a deal ! NOT !
On a quite night you can hear a Dodge rusting.
😂😂😂
Plastic don't rust, it dry rots 😂
LOL! High quality and value were never an attribute of Chrysler or Stellantis and the dealers are the worst for markups!
People don't even know how safe their job is in this economy.
I worked for Chrysler many years. Before Covid a SRT grand Cherokee was 62 thousand and a wrangler Sahara was 42 thousand now basic grand Cherokee is 60 thousand and a wrangler is going for 70k. That’s nuts
Manufacturers and dealerships blamed Covid for the huge price increases while raking in record profits.
35 % is not enough
I pity the tools that bought at the top of the market. I would wait longer.
Even if the new price is reasonable....it's the crappy quality of the Stellantis group is selling that turns off so many buyers. No one should buy unless that absolutely have too. And I'm talking from a guy who has bought five new Dodge/Chrysler products over the years, and was pretty happy with them.
can't wait for them to drop their prices as it will force Toyota and Honda to drop their outrageous prices.
If American car makers are selling $45,000 trucks for $80,000 grand, then the Japanese can sell their $30,000 trucks for $65,000. If corporate America was not so greedy, the imports would not overprice their reliable cars and trucks. Then, the consumers would be the winners, and American brands would not have lots filled with onsold vehicles.
I would never buy a Stellantis product at this point. They raised prices and lowered the quality. And Chrysler products weren't exactly the reliability leaders in the first place.
I thought about buying a new auto a year ago but dealer marked up $2500 over MSRP and that was enough for me to walk away continue driving my 2004 Accord and by the sound of it I’ll have to for the foreseeable future as dealers continue their mark up shenanigans
they raise prices by 45% then they lower by 35%, looks like a shell game gg.
It means absolutely nothing if dealerships can inflate prices by 100%.
They are going to need to do more than just dropping prices! They need to give us our V8 engines back. These V6 engines can not give the trucks the power needed for towing and hauling.
I bought a very nice 1996 F150 with the straight 6 , 5 speed.
2 wheel drive, duel tanks and an 8' bed.
I paid $2,000. then sunk $10,000. into it buying every part that might be bad or going bad. Either way, my truck will outlast any new truck another 28 years. My #2 car is a 2008 Ford Focus with 25,000. miles on it, my mom stopped driving and gave me the car.
These new cars are not only unreliable, but they keep track of you and can be shut off with a click of a switch by the government. I'll keep my privacy and peace of mind Thank you. I have worked at Roush Performance doing Retro repairs straight off the assembly line. New cars are only built to outlast the warranty.
You have EFI on that engine. That dramatically improved drivability and mpg. The carb'd versions could get out of their way and sucked gas.
They increased the MSRP by 41% since 2019, it's why we decided not to buy again for a couple yrs, and we may not buy new anymore, get one second hand F' these greedy monopolies. stay well
Stellantis should concentrate on improving RELIABILITY, and produce simple, affordable vehicles. Many new cars contain too much technology that often breaks down after a few years. Also, produce some affordable compact cars. Many drivers want a basic car to get to work.
Absolutely
Yes. Reliability sells.
Its a no brainer they were way over priced
I Wouldn't Buy 2 Rams For$65K With A 6 Cylinder 😅😅😅
Anyone that buys a Stellantis product is taking a massive risk !
Won't save them. They stuck it to way too many die hard mopar coustomers for WAY too long! Who will ever forget the challenger shenanigans?! No one ever!!
Stellantis needs to drastically cut prices and improve quality just to get into the game.
also review dealer customer satisfaction. Local dealers in North GA don't give a damn about customer service. 1 shot deals.
Commercial for Dodge And Jeep. Bad one at that.
The MSRP is the "suggested" retail price, that does not guarantee the dealers will play along.
This might work, until Toyota cuts prices 40%
Until they replace 120K engines. 2024's are showing up with the engine blowing up too.
Toyota is going downhill fast too. I'll stay with my t100
Will dealership greed still be allowed? They should not be allowed to add on packages the customers do not want or do ANY mark ups! Ex. Bolton Dodge in Port Artur TX has a 40k mark up on a 2022 Jeep wrangler. Lets hope they go out of business
We customers won’t buy them and watch them sit and rot on the car lots of years. I don’t know about others, but I don’t need a new vehicle every few years. I’ll wait 4-5 years before I buy a used vehicle lol they need to listen to it’s customers
Critical and 'not as critical' engine components made of plastic is what the buying public should be more outraged about. Vehicles with premature failures, not matter what they cost, is what should cause consumer backlash. But most people probably never open the hoods of their cars, so manufacturers continue to get away with it; which is why current vehicles are just 'lease-mobiles' or 'after warranty throw-aways'.
Most mechanics that have plenty of experience (meaning they are old generation) will tell you that turbo charged v6's wont last as long as a V8's and are way too complicated to work on (more parts...more to go bad). I've been keeping my v8's as long as possible (RAM and Chevy trucks) because of that stupid decision to get rid of v8's. They are NOT more efficient. You only typically get 2 miles a gallon more but all the trouble they cause with repair bills you will be losing money in the long run. People like me (farming) need the v8's for power and dependability.
bet it's a rolling discount curve... 35% on 100k, 30% on 90k, 25% on 80K..etc. You won't receive 35% off on a $55k MSRP vehicle.
I decided in the middle of COVID, not to buy/lease any vehicle until prices took a 40% decrease. Like auto prices went up 40%+. Everyone stop buying/leasing and take your control back!
Bought a new 25 Ram in September. All the Fords on the same lot are still 24s. Rows of them that aren't selling???
Doesn't make sense to announce 35% price cuts for Q2 25' in Q4 24'. Not sure were this info came from. Are they trying to sell no vehicles in Q1?
The jeep maintenance prices in the shop have gone up 100%. They will get you in the shop.
Don't know why they kept on showing the former CEO, whom they "retired". Hopefully Tim Kuniskis will be able to right this ship. Follow Toyota's lead on their current trucks. They have major quality problems but are backing up their product--replacing engines on 110,000 '22-24 Tundras and replacing transmissions in the new Tacoma. No, they shouldn't be having these quality problems but they are addressing them without being forced to in lawsuits or NHTSA recalls. A similar problem with Ecodiesels at RAM was met with denial and delay in backing their customers. Their trucks are the best riding, most comfortable, quietist, and best interiors now all they need is to raise the quality and drop the prices. And, contrary to a number of just plain silly comments below, that means drop prices by 20-25% (saying they need to drop prices by more than 35% is rather stupid--look at SUV and car prices and a 20-25% drop will make the trucks cheaper than the SUV's).
Still not good enough!!!!
Give another 50% then you may have my attention!
I have a simple solution for the big three….. quit forcing everyone to buy vehicle safety equipment we don’t really need! I KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. Airbags , not everyone really needs them , seatbelts do the bulk of the work and are not super expensive like airbag systems, anti-lock brakes, not necessarily needed, tpms systems not really needed, ADAS SYSTEMS (VERY EXPENSIVE) NOT REALLY NEEDED, SUPER EXPENSIVE STEREO AND DISPLAYS SHOULD BE OPTIONAL!
IF I CAN JUMP ON MY 200 MILE PER HOUR kawasaki POCKET ROCKET IN MY THONG SWIMSUIT WITH ABSOLUTELY no safety equipment of any kind and hit 60 mph in 3- seconds what’s the !@%£#¥!@& governments problem! You could probably cut 20-30 thousand dollars of the cost of the vehicles! Let the rich people order those high dollar options if they want them.
It seems like a step in the right direction.
The dealers are thieves, the one in merriville Indiana, there is a guy there that is really rud, pushy. Loud mouth, I hope the dealer fires him. I’m going to spread the word how he treats customers
He said the V8 comeback, they should have never been discontinued. The auto industries don't give the consumer what they want, they make their cars and trucks and tell us, this is what you need. Buy it or leave it, you have no other options.
NO V8 NO CUSTOMERS!!!!
Until their quality control approaches that of Lexus & Toyota they can KMA!
Carlos has been gone for 2 weeks now, John Elkann is the Chairman and Executive Director of Stellantis, while the role of CEO is vacant.
Carlos Tavares was the CEO of Stellantis until he left the company. He was appointed CEO and Executive Director on January 17, 2021, when Stellantis was formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Peugeot maker PSA Group. Tavares was known for being a successful automotive leader, and was credited with turning around Opel. However, he left the company amid concerns about the company's performance.
Other members of Stellantis' board of directors include:
Robert Peugeot: Vice Chairman and Non-executive Director
Henri de Castries: Senior Independent Director
Making them more affordable? ... that is STILL UNAFFORDABLE... WTF?!? Start at 70% off... seriously 70-75% off.
They have to improve the quality and build these parts here need to tariff imports to the point the parts will be so expensive that they will thru necessity build them here.
Today here in NC I offered a dealer 30% below the original MSRP for 2 x 3500's valued at $89k and I was flatly turned down. They did not want to talk. So sad.
Maybe with 35% off people will forget that they've turned every vehicle in their lineup into unreliable trash? And, maybe not!
I bought my 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie in March 2019. It was priced at $57,100.
They sold it to me for $45,000 or 20% off the MSRP because it had been on their
lot for over 6 months. Today, a similarly optioned 2024 Ram 1500 is listed at
$67,500 MSRP. So, 35% off $67500 would be a price of $43835 or a $1165 lower
price than I paid in 2019. This seems like a good deal to me, but my truck has been
so good I have no plans to trade for a V-6 turbo powered pickup.
My 2019 GMC Sierra Denali 2500hd with duramax window sticker was $63k brand new. Today the same truck with more technology features is $80-110k. My theory is they raised all of these car prices to equal the value of the EV vehicles and offset those costs of being built. EV’s in the beginning were way more and who can afford them right! So let’s level the playing field and that’s what they’ve done and try to push the EV’s on us and make them look more affordable.
They better do something
The true value will come out after the repo, and what scrap prices are!
In 2004 a loaded 3/4 ton Ram Diesel had a msrp of roughly 35,000. Using an inflation calculator, $35,000 in 2004 is equivalent to $60,000 in 2024. Factor in all the tech and gadgets in today's truck VS a 2004 Ram and you can see that there is so much more in the current truck.
$70k-$80k for a fully loaded 3/4 ton diesel in 2025 is more than reasonable. Factor in sales and rebates and promotions that happen through the year and an average price of $75k msrp with the possibility to buy under $70k during sales promotions is more than fair.
i think Ram and Dodge have many good things to look forward to with Tim Kuniskis back at the helm. Hopefully he will find a better suppliers for outsourced parts with better quality, have enough operating cash to even increase in-house parts that have the largest margins, and sell the hell out of vehicles again.
Regardless of the brand, more than passenger vehicles I truly believe pickup owners have a sense of pride in their trucks and hopefully... the MSRP drops will be the start of a fierce competition with the top 3 to make better trucks at a lesser cost to the buyers.
Stellantis raised their prices over 60% from 2020. Companies like Subaru only kept up with inflation and raised prices 24%. Stellantis was ripping people off and they are now paying for it with fewer customers. Them slashing prices by 35% brings them back in line with inflation, they’re not doing anything.
35% price cut just brings the price down to where it always should have been. But that still doesn’t take away my reliability concerns.
The quality of the vehicles today is disgusting compared to what the prices were 10 years ago
imagine how pissed people are that bought before the 35% pricecut, guarantee they never buy stellantis ever again
What happens to the previous instock inventory of dealers?
My Grandfather and father have both retired from Chrysler Corporation, and both are probably rolling in their graves from what this once great car company is now. Plymouth, Chrysler and Dodge all used to have multiple models , Now the whole manufacturer is owned by another country and about to go under.
Loved the Hemi-Cuda!
I wanted a gas HD truck. I almost bought a RAM 2500 in 2024 but ended up with a slightly used GMC AT4 2500HD because I don't trust the Hemi oiling system or Stellantis quality in general. We do own a 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee and that has been reliable but that was 2020!
Imagine what would happen if those car buyers who paid 10-30 thousand Over the MSRP quit paying for their cars? In January 2025 we start to find out.
Repo
After repo we will get a better idea of the true value, or scrap price.
And they will still be over priced
It's a start, but it doesn't go far enough. In the long run, the manufacturers also must design the vehicles so that they can be better and more easily maintained. You can't just design a vehicle where maintenance items are not accessible, because it means that maintenance costs will be much higher. And people cannot afford to buy new cars as they did in the past.
Imagine being the sucker who bought a car a day before these cuts.
Now imagine being someone thinking about buying one, but waiting to see if there will be another large % drop, so you wait.
This was a dumb play for the auto company on every level.
My accountant said we all need to not buy for 1 year. And they need to build basic cars and trucks.
I see This may tank refinance options for used stellantis vehicles( in simple terms this could bring values down even in the used market, thus speeding up depreciation of older models forcing people to sell and buy new so they don’t drown in payments)
People Say they won't buy when they are high prices. Now there is a dealer ship near me trucks wouldn't move from the lot for over a year and most people said they were not going to kiss their ass and pay for one. Well that changed now my neighbor got a truck after taxes and tags 71678.00 his payment for 72 months is 1147 a month at lowest rate of 9% interest
35% MSRP cut is a nice start. But it's only a start. The MSRP has to match consumer potentialities.
They need the metric to fall into this... What is the percentage of the MSRP level with the result of default on payment. What has the default rate become? Bring the prices down to the point where people shouldn't have to choose between making a car payment or feeding their family.
Now put pressure on the government for passing laws that force the MSRP upward for features NO ONE wants or cares about.
35% isn't nearly enough. Drop it down to 60%, and then we can start talking numbers
Nice discussion of the issues!
Automobile prices will only go up! All auto manufactures have recently given their production associates HUGE raises. Even the frame worker in Alabama makes $32.00 an hour not counting benefits.