AS Val, VSS Vintorez, OTs-14 Groza, and more: 9x39mm with Max Popenker
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Today we welcome back Max Popenker of ModernFirearms.net to discuss the Soviet and Russian development of the 9x39mm suppressed rifle cartridge. From the early unsuccessful and sidetracked efforts to replace the PBS suppressor through the AMB-17 currently in development by the Kalashnikov Concern, we will discuss the AS Val, VSS Vintorez, OTS-14 Groza, SR-3, SR-3M, VSK-94, and more!
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"Medium weight game, like humans..."
This is the sort of dark humor I love Max for. Would be fascinating to hear him talk about 9x21 "Грюза" cartridge sometimes in the future.
It's "Гюрза" (blunt-nosed viper, levant viper or macrovipera lebetina), not "Грюза" :)
I think with western obesity rates, we might be considered heavy weight game now.
Is it “dark humor” or just simply “Russian humor”?
@@krzyryry8382 Russia is mostly dark anyway, so both :D
Гюрза NO Гoрза Yes
Гюрза pronounced GREEOOZA and is not a real word.
Гoрза pronounced GROZA and means lighting.
All I know is the 9x39 is a must for engaging heavily armored Monolith soldiers.
VRAG MONOLITA
Get out of here, STALKER
Cheeki breeki
@@maxwellschmid588 You can take the STALKER out of the zone, but can’t take the ZONE out of the stalker
We need a round that is subsonic, long range, defeats body-armor, and cycles a semi-auto rifle. What ELSE could you possibly stack on top of those insane requirements?
You forgot "sniper level accuracy"
Probably the new 8.6 creedmoor?
@@nestorarcilaosorio2457 isn't it 6.8?
It needs to be heat seeking, like those pesky incendiary 50bmg baby killing bullets
@@dELTA13579111315 didnt darpa used to made that ?
Funny, slightly related fact. While "Groza" means "Thunder" in Russian, in Polish, it means "Dread".
Quite fitting, in my opinion.
Well, technically Groza means thunder and dread/danger/fear in Russian depending on the context. For example Grozniy/Grozny (city in Chechnya) means fearsome, not some thunder city.
Ugroza Угроза - dread
гроза = thunderstorm
Great album by MGLA, look it up
Can have both meanings in Russian, can confirm, угроза~=threat, гроза=the-bane-of/thunder.
Cheers
I would do strange things to get an AS VAL parts kit in the U.S.
Dunno about an AS VAL, but a VSS Vintorez may be able to be a reality........
Yeah, but that might be the first 2 stamp kit.
@@ABowlofPho VSS parts kits IS a reality....umm....so I've heard I mean....haha
I too would do strange things for one... Or a VSS, or a VSK,
You and me both buddy, I feel ya (emotionally)
As a Russian myself I’m adoring Max here. Why? Because it’s VERY hard to speak another language with barely any stops for half an hour, so every time I sit around with my English-speaking friends to play I bring myself a bottle of water-after an hour of unstoppable callouts and chatting this bottle is empty, that’s how my throat is tensioned. So ones again thanks to Max, I’m dying to see him again on this channel!
u playing EFT?
I was just thinking about this. He nailed it.
I can speak polish (i'm from Poland) for hours without stop but i can't really speak english fluently for a long time because i start to stutter and i forgot some words.
Yes very smart guy
9x39mm is and always will be the most interesting and wonderful cartridge to me. Thanks guys!
Despite preferring the AK platform over the AR if I get a 9x39 weapon it is likely to be built on the Stoner platform just for economy.
@@dbmail545 AK-likes are just fine with it. Got some hands-on experience with СР-3М, involving dismembering the stray dog on the run.
Still 7.62x25mm for me.
@@dbmail545 There is the AK-9 that used the 9x39mm tho.....
I don't know if "wonderful" is an adjective I'd use to describe something whose exclusive purpose is murdering human beings. But that's just me.
"Round is designed for Medium game... like humans..."- This is why I like Max!
Привет из Болгарии!
hehehe
Mehmed Nedjib, Medium game but Apex Predator.
Болгарии as in the federal republic, or as in the Republic of Bulgaria (Република България) from the Balkans?
@@cyborg_patat9492 Republic of Bulgaria
@@mehmednedjib7361 Кажи така бе, брат :D
This is the cheeki breekiest episode ever! The Groza-4 in OTs-14-4A-04 configuration (grenadier configuration as seen in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.), 9x39mm over 40mm, is also known as the Groza-9/40. GSC Game World, through S.T.A.L.K.E.R., increased interest in 5.45 and 9x39 firearms in the West. Also, Skinflint totally looks like early 2000s Max Popenker.
9:57 AP, aka BP, which I think is sometimes called "black-tip" (or "black-stripe" or something to that effect), is also designated SP-6. It's the overall best ammo type to use against Monolith heavy troopers wearing exoskeletons.
13:39 Didn't realize PAB-9 was so structurally similar to SP-6.
14:25 Interestingly, the original unmodded S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl taught me exactly that! I typically used SP-5 in the Vintorez and SP-6 in the Val and the Groza.
19:17 I never did the endgame of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl without a Groza. There's also the Paranoia mod for the original Half-Life which features the Groza-1 (7.62x39) in OTs-14-1A-03 configuration (suppressor and scope).
21:19 So in other words, if you need a grenade launcher, it's better to mount a GP-30 or GP-34 on an AK-74 or AK-103.
I always fiddle around in the file directory with the ltx files so I can take off / put on the PSO scope on the Vintorez In Stalker, never liked that you couldn't take it on and off at will. Also means you can use the VSS as an assault rifle if you have to. Instead of having to carry the VAL along with it, only downside is finding a scope for the VSS separately.
Both the VAL and VSS (at least in COP) aren't zeroed to their world model's iron sights very well. So they shoot high left no matter if you're firing in full auto or semi. Its especially bad when you have them upgraded for max accuracy, a stream of tracers fly out a few pixels left of the barrel.
There's also a texture issue I've never seen anyone fix, where a small space on the charging handle for the VSS/VAL rifles isn't textured, so there's this transparent gap through it, once you notice it you can never unsee it.
Call of Pripyat has a 5.45 Groza which is one of a kind in the game, (you can only buy it from one trader, nimble.) But the devs forgot to give it "5.45 damage." So the 5.45 Groza does 9x39mm damage in the game. If you check around online it's one of the rifles people recommend in Late-Game play for being the highest damage 5.45x39mm gun in the game.
And Max was right, only reason people know the Groza is videogames, lol.
@@xmm-cf5eg I actually read about it on his Modern Firearms and Ammunition site even before S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl came out. As for being able to add and remove a scope, that's what I like about the SVD in the Oblivion Lost 2010 mod.
Seen here: th-cam.com/video/svU3xaSpbYo/w-d-xo.html
I did a Let's Play of that mod: th-cam.com/play/PL3C86UcPO_CY1hboZA7JPzS5zTmdXzNOX.html
One of these focuses on the Groza: th-cam.com/play/PL3C86UcPO_CaBJcNhVEyGmMW0xz8b4VGY.html
More Groza: th-cam.com/video/ZBFLueIZDaQ/w-d-xo.html
*Note:* The 5.45 Groza is also in ShoC. It's used by the Dutyer known as Barin who usually hangs around the camp outside the Desolated Village in Army Warehouses. Its real-world counterpart would have been known as the Groza-2 had it gone into production. There were also plans for a Groza-3 in 5.56. The Groza-1 is 7.62x39 and the Groza-4 is 9x39 and I think those are the only calibers they made it in.
I knew of the Groza 1 and 4, I think the Groza 1's more "popular" in practice.
@@xmm-cf5eg Probably because the ammo is cheaper and more prevalent.
I can't believe Russians stole Groza from Stalker
His accent is a bit difficult to understand, but Max is a really cool guy with LOTS of knowledge about russian weapons. It's always a good day when Ian brings his cool russian friend to the channel. Also, Max's page is on my favorites list!
You only need some Russian accent practice. Play Metro 2033 for a while.
Turn on Subtitles. They are very helpful.
Fun fact Max is pretty hated person on Russian small firearms forums. Not completely understand why.
@@ArcturusOTE actually no. His most popular fault is being too theoretical. AFAIK he wasn't conscripted, so hardcore fans assumed that he is not a professional weapon user and thus his conclusions about some issues are misleading from their POV.
@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 how she was?
Watch life of boris videos it makes it easier to understand this guy
That 100 yard 1/4" steel penetration from a 9x39 is impressive. I liked everything.
17:54 ЦКИБ СОО - Центральное конструкторско-исследовательское бюро спортивного и охотничьего оружия. (TsKIB SOO - Central Design and Research Bureau of Sporting and Hunting Arms).
КБП - Констру́кторское бюро́ приборострое́ния, (KBP - Instrument Design Bureau)
22:30 Klimovsk was a town (in 2015, it became part of the city of Podolsk), where located ЦНИИточмаш - Центральный научно-исследовательский институт точного машиностроения (TSNIITOCHMASH - Central Scientific - Research Institute for Precision Machine Engineering)
This guy is perhaps my favorite guest. Vickers is great, too, but this guy has a really good perspective of how Russia and the Russian people have experienced their own history with firearms and firearms development. I'm still laughing about the appeal of the AR-15 over in Russia, just like how the US guys like the AK. Great guy. I love him.
Well, what we got there.... maybe, actually I will agree, that it is not a technology marvel of 31'st century, but all that we got there is a descent firearms. Not even close to "real, ameican-made AK" of (in)famous "century arms"
A fine weapon is a fine weapon. Its a universal language.
Every time I see a 9x39mm... I think of those overpowered weapons from that modded STALKER COP...
Armor piercing 9mm rounds?
Who needs ballistic when their heads are the only target?
Oh good, it's not just me then! As soon as I see 9x39mm, I think of the Sniper VLA and how those Duty bastards never stood a chance. And that was a vanilla weapon if I recall correctly.
@@LessDevoid freedom is the scourge of the zone! duty is our saviors of humanity.
@@LessDevoid I always find some bandit who uses that stubby looking AK that uses 9x39 in the fueling station... and its the only weapon I use in the game... that is until I pick up the 4 gauge shotgun...
@@geronimo5537 I think you got it the other way around. Duty is the true scourge of the zone.
We love Max's help over here in the West! Thank you Mr. Popenker
9X39 in my morning TH-cam feed? It's gonna be a good day.
Still, I wish I could get some in the US, even just as souvenirs.
I wonder if it's possible to hand-make the brass from necked up 7.62x39 and hand-load the ammunition.
I may sound foolish here though.
Civil version of VSS with 9x39 is available on Russian market, but without supressor.
Tula is packaging the ammo for US sale and some US bullet maker is selling .366" bullets. Check out Iraqvet8888. Shame that the AP round is not importable.
Wolf is selling the 9x39 in the US
Wolf is definitely selling 9x39 in the US, though it is expensive. A surprising number of components are out there, built a pistol-length 9x39 AR upper with a KAK barrel.
Man, for a second I thought we were going to get a VSS/AS VAL video!
I thought the ATF made weird determinations. Now that I see Russian "shotgun ammo" I see its world wide
Well, to be fair, it's not that different from a slug, just smaller. Never underestimate the ingenuity of the gun owning community and the engineers that design the guns.
Yeah, these weird things exist only because of harsh restrictions and people doing all kinds of tricks to get around them.
It's not only .366.
We also have .345 - 9x19 round made to be used in these "not rifled rifles" and 9,6x54 - 7,62x54R.
All because of our gun law that prevents you from buying a rifled "anything" before you own a smooth bore for 5 years in a row
@@RusZugunder have you ever heard of the couch that is a car? Or is a car that is a couch? On thing is for certain, its street legal in Britain and you can see it here on youtube.
@@alecnolastname4362 amazing.
Just an FYI Target Sports U.S.A. sells an AR15 upper receiver chambered in the 9X39mm and ammo.
but .... why?
@@clouster75 www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/9x39-wolf-ammo
Because the ammo is available and provides all the benefits over .300 BO described in the video.
@@ericgrumbles447 Wow, so what does 300 BO bring to the table compared to 9x39? Aside from being able to use more commonly available 223 mags?
@@ArcturusOTE more accurate as Max said 9x39 for sport shooting has more or less no meaning and would be probably harder to find
I really like that SR3M. That’s a damn fine looking rifle.
I would absolutely love to shoot one!
I’m kind of a fan of 300 Blackout, but I agree with Max that a 9mm projectile is going to create a larger wound channel at subsonic speeds.
With the sounds of Tunder.
And the jiggy music coming from the Bandit base over in Dark Valley.
Bandit radio best radio
Would definitely love to see Max sponsored with a proper microphone if nothing else. His knowledge really is invaluable and definitely needs to be heard more of.
This. His accent is fine, and his english is fantastic, its the poor audio quality here that makes it difficult.
Would love to see a video with Max talking more about the .366 TKM, Russian Firearms Law Technicalities (Like the Klash based "shotguns" with paradox rifling) and their perception within the Russian Firearms Community.
molot.biz/plant/gladkostvolynoe/ 2nd & third pages "shotguns" .366 TKM & 9,6/53 Lancaster
The .366 is dead as for now, no matter how lively the corpse looks. Vladimir Fucking Putin and his bitches were so afraid of their own country that forced a prohibition, making it (and Paradox\Lancaster bores) equally regulated as rifles, what makes these nothing but an inferior overpriced versions of conventional guns. What was born to circumvent the scizophrenic regulations, was finally slain by regulators when fear took over greed. Russian classics.
Thank goodnes there is no embargo on Russian knowledge.
sjoormen1 don’t give them ideas :/
@@nra4ever2011 They already have ideas, unfortunately.
Just wait till the Duma goes ahead with their "Russian internet" proposal.
So... how are things with import of russian guns in the states?
Travis Tucker the sanctions on Russia affect manufacturers connected to Russia’s military industrial complex, so of course that includes all the major players because most of their manufacturers make stuff for both the military and commercial markets. If, however, there were an independent, strictly commercial manufacturer, in theory that might be actually allowed to sell in the US... but I don’t know of any such manufacturers.
Glad to hear you getting closer to the proper pronunciation of his name. Love to hear Max's info on Soviet/Russian weapons development.
Having played Escape from Tarkov, I understand everything he talked about.
I knew Forgotten weapons for some time, started playing Tarkov almost 2 years ago to test all he was talking about...
🤣🤣 sp-6 bruh
when he picked the cartridge up off his desk I was like "Hey that's a BP round"
I especially liked the .366 mention. Its crazy that they can pass off the limited rifling as a "choke" of sorts and still have a "rifle"
They just released the asval in Dayz on console!
Thanks to both Max and Ian for this video. The idea and design of the 9x39 round has always intrigued me and this has really provided much insight.
I've learned so many new stuff from ONE video. Thank you both for taking your time and making this possible
this is one of the few presentations I would sit through for more than 30 minutes and enjoy! love the SR-3M and Max has great info!
I can't believe it. I was on Max's website 15-16 years ago looking for the info on Barrett M82A1 and finding other cool anti material rifles like for example Steyr IWS 2000/2500 :)
BTW
This is a really forgotten weapon and it needs a video about its development and design.
I’d also like to see a video about the VSSK Vychlop. Basically a subsonic 50. rifle. Increased range and damage
This is exactly what I've been waiting for! Thank you Ian for this awesome interview with Max. A knowledgeable guy with much to share on weapons lesser known to the West. 9x39mm and subsonic cartridges... what a dream. Hopefully we can see more of the internals of these weapons in the future.
This guy's website got me interested in firearms a very long time ago after finding it by accident. Thank you Max!
We used it for research for the Battlefield 2 mod: Point of Existence, which is really ironic because we ended up including the AS-VAL for one of our Russian classes, and maybe got the whole ball rolling with that and video games.
Also apparently we had the VSS Vintorez but I forgot about it; www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/vss-vintorez#imagebox
And a link to the VAL: www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/as-val-rifle2#imagebox
The Groza has always been the only bull-pup I would have done crazy things for just to be able to shoot and/or own. It's looks exactly what I'd imagine a bull-pup to look like if the Soviets made one.
Many thanks for the subtitles, guys. Especially the acronyms and bracketed explanations. Made this a really enjoyable vid.
Thanks Ian, for all of your hard work! And thank you Max, for your knowledge and willingness to entertain us with your expertise on Soviet and russian firearms
It's great to hear all this info from 1st hand.
Thanks for great story. I have 366 TKM AK-103. For 100 meters it shoots like 7,62. For 200 m and more you need to put the sight significantly higher than normal AK. Effective range of 366 TKM is not more 300 m. For hunting and defense purposes it’s good caliber. Interesting that the recoil feels much higher than the normal 7,62x39. With the 13 grams bullets it’s even hurts your shoulder.
I'm always waiting for episodes with Max. Interesting to listen. It would be great to see more.
Super interesting introduction into the ammo topic done by an exceptionally knowledgeable host Maxim. Much appreciated!
The VSS Vintorez is my favorite gun in every Stalker game glad to learn some history behind it and why it feels almost identical to the AS Val
Thanks for bringing up 336 tkm round. Learned a bit something new about 9x39 today. :)
Thanks Max! Good to hear from you again.
отлично рассказал. you see, Ivan, we need a dedicated subsonic suppressed weapon long range shooting👌
>Make suppressed sniper rifle
>Only good at short range
>Shoot from rooftop to rooftop
>We meant to make it this way.
hehe
Thank you, excellent refresher course, comrade!
Sincerely,
Not a Western Spy
Most of weapons mention here are present in "Escape from Tarkov" video game.Including one of Russian built M4 clone named ADAR 2-15!
Kristian Herdi I scrolled down expecting to see STALKER and EFT posts. I was not disappointed lol. Getting anxious for 0.12, what do u think of the whole “no putting stuff in gamma container” thing they’re gonna try during the pre-wipe events?
@@Pdro-gw7lu I think it will be painful for some beginners trying to make some money, but I mean there is still the option of playing as a SCAV so the gamma container is not as useful in the end. It is when it comes to putting meds, ammo and keys without risking losing those items. Honestly I think they should make it that the gamma container should only be able to accept those items, because having the risk of losing keys is quite meh imo. Meds and ammo is more acceptable on the other hand. Just the keys, don't touch that otherwise it will make exploration a bit useless which is a problem for the overall game experience. And also some exit points that require keys. If the devs really want to remove the gamma container on the long term, I feel that they should replace this EOD edition bonus with something else that matters like a free stash container/case or I don't know.
Jensen I kinda like the idea personally. I think a better idea is restricting the types of stuff to what you have said, like statues, Bitcoin, cash, keys etc. I think the guys running a mag case out of them and shit is taking the piss. The case needs to stay as a concept I believe but needs to be restricted a little.
I think adding a hardcore mode with a seperate PMC would be a more interesting experiment to try as well.
Awesome to hear the history of not just the round but the different weapon platforms for this unique cartridge
I like these episodes with Max... always with a lot of great information!
Thank you Max. Спасибо Максим, ваш английский улучшается с каждым видео. Так держать.
Ever since I started following this channel I've been hoping to see something on the 9x39 guns, and you picked the perfect guy to collaborate with. Max is a treasure trove of knowledge and an excellent presenter. You should seriously start a fundraiser for a Russia trip, Ian. I would be the first to pitch in. Thank you for all the awesome content you continue to provide for us!
Love these videos with Max, keep em coming!
I have been really looking forward to this since it was mentioned as an idea the last time Max brought us the Knowledge. Thanks Max, and thanks Ian for bringing this to us!
VSS, is my favorite weapon of all time, I wish it was included in more games
Well 9a-91 for me
One of the best parts of PUBG. ^~^
man the damage is so bad in pubg
Check out Escape from Tarkov! That game is basically a gun simulator behind the curtains, and has a lot of great guns, including both the VAL and VSS, very well simulated and highly lethal. :)
@@muumuumu its damage isnt too bad, however the bullet drop makes it kind of a difficult gun to use. Even on console though, i can win many games using that in the final circles. Made me love the gun so much I got one irl. ^~^
woah, thanks for max and you to deliver ACTUAL information about these weapons. There's a lot of partial knowledge about it and most you find about it is in russian.
There's quite a lot of knowledge dumped in half-hour video, gotta watch it again later. 9.39 sounds like reasonable choice to deliver rifle power kick in smg sized weapon.
what I find interesting is that integrally supressed rifle. I think Ian mentioned some german vs. british ww2 versions like that on previous videos
Loving the collabs with Max!
Outstanding. Thank you for letting your guest speak without interruption. It helped facilitate the flow of Max's dialogue, as well as my admittedly limited ability to process information from someone with an accent that I need to assimilate my beer-addled brain to. Looking forward to more of this.
In my hometown, municipal services use it to shoot down "sosulki" that grow so big in the springtime that they're start presenting a hazard.
@@Laenthal
_Spasibo!_
It would be epic to see Ian and Max shoot some exotic weaponry together, in Russia. Ian should buy a plane ticket to Moscow and in the meantime, Max can heat up a samowar and make a call to a friendly shooting range.
Угу
Fantastic guest. Thank-you Ian.
World guns was the website that got me into gun history, glad to see it come full circle on forgotten weapons
This has quickly become some of my favorite content. World.guns.ru was one of my favorite places for reading material back in the day, so to have these videos straight from Max himself is a wonderful thing. Thank you both very much, and I look forward to more.
It's really funny that some people find Mr Popenker's accent hard to understand, while a Slav like me has no difficulty in understanding him, because I'm used to hearing English being butchered by my not-so-fluent kinsfolk. Also, is there a chance we'll see the good ol' M2 Browning anytime soon?
I love Slavic English. Yugopnik is my favourite channel for that.
No chance, the M2 is not a Forgotten Weapon. Now the towed, quad mount M3 water cooled anti-aircraft variant of the caliber fifty I've only seen in the Air Defense Artillery Museum at Fort Bliss, that's a Forgotten Weapon.
@@davidgoodnow269 Neither is the M1 Carbine or the PPSh-41, and yet Ian made videos on them.
@@janwacawik7432 True, they still exist. Kind of difficult/pricey to get hands on either in my neighborhood, and while that is very true also of the Browning M2, it is still being manufactured and is current issue in militaries around the world. There are other examples of this, like the FN P90 and HK MP7A1, but those are quite rare in comparison and I'm sure he was sponsored by those manufacturers to do those episodes.
Like, "If you want access to these super-rare versions of the long-discontinued Heckler & Koch P7, please make this infotainment video of the current MP7A1."
@@janwacawik7432 Besides, I really enjoyed his history of the production of the PPSh-41, so I'm not going to complain about it! One of my favorite burp guns.
Always enjoy Max and his insights...
Outstanding conversation! I have sampled a bit of Max's extensive knowledge over email exchanges but before this video I've never had a face to put with the name. Please keep these videos coming!
Oh wow, I didn't know he ran World guns. That takes me way back.
Always enjoy it when Max is on!
Awesome interview!
When my Grand Children ask me where I was at the turn of the new year of 2021, I can proudly say "I was on the toilet watching Gun Jesus and pals talk about the 9x39mm cartridge ".
Great video, guys. Very cool guns - I'll take one of each please! Where do I send my suitcase full of Rubles?
Love these videos with Max in, he's bloody great.
Great video. Thanks for all.
I just had the urge to go and reinstall STALKER
Try out STALKER Anomaly. It's a good standalone mod based on CoP.
Was fiddling with dds weapon skin files for STALKER yesterday, small world.
Yeah, i highly recommend Anomaly as well! Great mod and one that they are still updating and working on! If you get around that corner I work on an addon by the name of Trader Overhaul Complete.
@@ARTalive01 the best Stalker mod ever made!
@@AdamBorseti Indeed. hence why I even bothered to make an addon in the first place.
civilian vintorez cost about 1900-2150$ right now in Russia... if anybody is interested in this info...
Nvm, I googled it, and it seems the civilian Vintorez is no more than just a name and looks. The similarities are only visual, the action is completely different.
@@miloradowicz selling suppressed weapons to civilians is against the law in Russia
@@ldsmmsh yep, but the thing with this gun, is that it's a different cartridge, different barrel (not only unsuppressed, but twice longer according to what I read), different bolt-locking system and different action overall. Different receiver and even its cover and scope mounting rails are different. It's Vintorez in the same sense as an airsoft gun is a real gun. Same shape, different insides.
@@miloradowicz sure, it's pure marketing bs
Thanks so much for bring Max on Ian! He is bringing loads of great knowledge that is not well known in the West.
Always a pleasure to have Mr. Popenker speak. :)
To quote my character from Jagged Alliance 2: Unfinished Business. "I always wanted to put few rounds through one of these" while picking up AS Val.
These 9x39mm guns remind me of S.T.A.L.K.E.R and Metro 2033. :D They look so badass.
Unfortunately in Metro they're converted to 5.45x39, which somewhat makes sense since they can use commonly found ammo
Yayo' Ariowibowo Not much sense tho.
Converting 9x39mm weapon to 5.54x39mm you need to change at least bolt, mag and barrel. That's like almost all the important parts of a gun.
@@XtreeM_FaiL I think they covered that though, one of the metro tunnels goes right under an arms factory which was in full production of 5.45 barrels/ mags / bolts basically the tooling for everything they need and ammunition manufacturing as well, I believe it's under Hanza control but I could be wrong. 9mm ammo would definitely be in short supply compared to 5.45 though
These would be the real things the games copied and typically renamed. Metro's "VSV" in particular is a VSK 94 (seen at 26:38) rechambered for 5.45mm and given a different name.
Love these Popenker featuring videos
I've been waiting & wanting this for ages! I love the AS VAL, SR-3M and VSS they have great aesthetics as well as seeming to be very fit for purpose.
9x39 best x39
I'm not inviting you to my barbecue now.
@@xmm-cf5eg listen man, we can still be friends. My akm doesn't like 9x39....and we all know how much I love your sweet steel casing
D'aw, that's a nice compliment.
@@xmm-cf5eg dont worry, 9x39 hasn't gotten here yet. We can still do things like we used to
"Get out of here Stalker."
*I am referencing the Meme from a video game series and mean no ill will towards Max or Ian
I just wanted to ask for a video with max about the PKM, then i saw it in the recommended stuff. Youre both doing such amazing work
the closed captions are surprisingly on point
Dont know what everyone is on about, sure its not perfect english but perfectly understandable imo....
It's better in higher quality, but for us folks in the sticks with terrible internet it's a little difficult to understand in 360p and below. Still, very informative.
Agreed
max is sometimes hard to understand. not his fault offcourse but subtitles would help...
Press c to get subtitles
If you would like to contribute, you can also click the 'gear' icon, click 'Subtitles/CC', click 'Add Subtitles/CC', and follow the instructions to create subtitles for the video which are available to everyone.
Closed captions aren't to bad tbh.
@@nomdemorte1302 why would someone ask for subtitles like this if they didn't need them to understand what max is saying? In order to contribute you need to be able to understand what he said.
Auto generated cc is not exactly very good for this
Click on the 3 dots on top right and turn captions on if need
Max needs a better microphone thats not ten dollars.
Great video. Thank you gentlemen.
This video covers up insane amount of info on 9x39 that actually requires so much of effort and evaluation to extract from the Internet...awesome video
Well yeah, especially when it comes to Russian internet. They have real deep informations. But this video didn't go in depth in how they developed this cartridge. Like, why 9x39mm but not 7.62x39 subsonic. I have to go and look around for some informations for a few days to answer that question
Well yeah, especially when it comes to Russian internet. They have real deep informations. But this video didn't go in depth in how they developed this cartridge. Like, why 9x39mm but not 7.62x39 subsonic. I have to go and look around for some informations for a few days to answer that question
@@thedesignerblacksmith5953which is?
@@thedesignerblacksmith5953 i thought he covered that? 762soviet subs developed at the time, didnt fly as far, didnt hit as hard, less room for the steel core. nowadays you could shoot ebrs in that caliber.
Is there any information about what was improved with the modernisation of the Val and VSS, other than external differences? I'd assume current production is ASM Val and VSSM Vintorez by now.
This needs to be seen
Hey, aren't you one of the Call of Chernobyl devs? cool mod.
"Military special operations are on the rise for the Russian army"
This quote aged well.
This quote aged well?: th-cam.com/video/g3xEnAKzomg/w-d-xo.html
@rodjarrow6575 I wasn't being sarcastic, the link you sent litteraly shows part of a Russian Military Operation.
The original video was made before the invasion and thus the quote turned out to me more true than Ian expected.
@@sionsoschwalts2762 There was no Russian invasion. Because there was a NATO invasion of Ukraine by a coup d'etat in February 2014, followed by the establishment of a puppet regime in Kiev subordinate to NATO (subordinate to Washington and London). This puppet government under the control of NATO in Ukraine in 2014 began a bloody terror against Ukrainians and regions of Ukraine who refused to obey the puppet regime of NATO in Kiev, which was the beginning of this war, which has been going on for 9 years since 2014. Russia intervened in 2022 to help the rebellious regions of Ukraine get rid of the occupation regime NATO in Ukraine... This is an explanation from a citizen of Ukraine from the territory of the eastern regions of Ukraine, which failed to occupy NATO forces in 2014. This is an explanation from a citizen of Ukraine about 9 years of lies spread by the NATO media about the events in Ukraine.
@rodjarrow6575 If NATO was in control of Ukraine since 2014 why is Ukraine not a member state and protected by NATO? This does not make sense. I'd also like some sort of sources for evidence of a coup d'etat.
It would be pointless having a territory and not protecting it.
I'd also have to argue that since a coup d'etat means a replacement of government then taking territory from the new government is still an invasion even if you consider them illegitimate.
Also it doesn't matter if you want to call it an invasion or not, my comment said military special operations which is exactly what Putin himself is calling it.
@@sionsoschwalts2762 About the difference between the legal concepts of Law and Lawlessness: 1) A coup d'etat in any country of the world, committed with money and forces from abroad, is lawlessness! This is an invasion of a sovereign power! This is an occupation that has nothing to do with the concept of Law and the Constitution! Therefore, the power of the impostors, who in Ukraine are controlled by external NATO forces from abroad (from Washington and London), will eventually be expelled from the old analogous to the expulsion from Afghanistan... 2) The fact that for 9 years you had no idea about the NATO coup d'etat in Ukraine in February 2014 indicates the total lies of the media in NATO countries, which are subordinate to Washington and London. However, everyone who wants to search for the truth will easily find on the web the facts of the bloody coup d'etat in Ukraine 9 years ago in February 2014. 3) The same thing, the fact that for 9 years you had no idea about the beginning of this war in Ukraine, not in February 2022, but in February 2014 - the war unleashed by Washington's special services in Kiev and other cities of Ukraine, starting with mass sniper citizens of Ukraine and police officers of Ukraine, with a gradual transition to the use of heavy army weapons (artillery, tanks, bomber aircraft) against the garods of Ukraine, who refused to obey the NATO occupation authorities in Kiev - indicates the total lies of the media in NATO countries that are subordinate to Washington and London. 4) Therefore, being a regular viewer of the NATO media, it is obvious that you also have no idea about the bombing of 9 consecutive years in the very center of Europe, in Ukraine in the Donbas, since 2014 (similar to the recent bombing by Israeli forces on the civilian population of Palestinian Gaza in 2023). With Biden's blessing back in 2014 daily bombardments by artillery, missiles and aircraft for 9 years in a row on the civilian population of cities and villages of Eastern Ukraine in the Donbas (since 2014), bombing as punishment - for the persistence with which the Ukrainians of Donbass did not let NATO impostors into their territory. 5) Do you need proof? However, in the network: Whoever is looking for will always find it since 2014...! Including the fact of the crime of the NATO special services in Ukraine, which is the burning alive, after the use of live gases against the protesting 40 residents of the Ukrainian city of Odessa on May 2, 2014, who peacefully protested against the coup d'etat and the subsequent NATO occupation of Ukraine. This monstrous crime of medieval times, committed in the very center of (supposedly civilized) Europe in 2014 in the city of Odessa, occurred after Biden's visit to Ukraine and his "blessing" to his puppets, who seized power in Ukraine as a result of the coup d'etat. All these facts of the bloody crimes of the NATO special services in Ukraine since 2014 are online! Whoever has the desire to seek the truth will surely find the truth!
Excellent video and information, now I want a VSS even more!
Awesome! I love me some 9x39, and it's pretty hard to come by any but the most basic information about it.
Hey, that's Skinflint from Shadow of Chernobyl!
Holy SHIT! You're right! Max is Skinflint! He seems like Freedom type. "Check out these cool new guns, boss! Hey..... while you're looking..... maybe you can test the new hardware on some bloodsuckers that have been giving our boys some trouble. It's just over there, in that village with burnt fuzz and comets flying around. There's also a lot of radiation, and if you step too close to those cement foundations, you'll burst into flames. If you can tap-dance your way around that, then you can kill that C'thuhlu-faced mutant asshole for me, and I will give you 🥁......... a piece of bread!"
@@Hulbetley monolith are basically brainwashed fanatics who can barelly, speak properly
I did read somewhere, years ago, that one or more STALKER npc portaits are modeled on the people who ran the websites where they go their information. This was back in the early 2000s, so there were fewer websites.
Do you have a video on the 9A-91?
th-cam.com/video/EmGGpnlv6_A/w-d-xo.html
For a few pictures you can google 9A91 Syria. They were delivered to the Republican Guard there along with the VSK-94. Seems like having one is quite a status symbol there.
As always, the content is top notch! Thank you both. Would it be possible however to capture the sound directly from the computer to mitigate the bad quality? The sound clarity is pretty off :)
Finally! I waited so long for those to be covered!
I *really* want to get my hands on some to test on gel and armor.
The Chopping Block SGAmmo sells it.
@@winkleried I'll get in touch with them. Who makes rifles or AR uppers?
The Chopping Block No clue.
Where to donate so Max can get actually usable camera and mic? If we do good maybe some internet too.
Hey, awesome, getting to see the webmaster of the most formative gun site of my childhood!
I do like Max's explanations and presentation, very nice
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