Why Russian Army Uses this Weird Close Combat Sniper Rifle
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The VSS Vintorez and AS VAL are strange sniper rifles created by the Russian Military back in their soviet union era days of the 1980s. It has a number of unique features that set it apart from any other army sniper rifle. Truly there is nothing quiet like it in the United States military's arsenal. So why do Russian special forces spetnaz and other elite operators prefer to use this rifle?
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Hey Cappy! The US considers the .300 BO PDWs used by special forces to be their equivalent to the VSS Vintorez!
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I'd still prefer 300 BLK subsonic.
messed up the bullets at 7:32, you've shown 5.56 as the round used by the ak74 and vice versa
If you can shoot several times with no one knowing where the hell it’s coming from, then there’s plenty of reason to not have to be km away. As stated, urban warfare is probably its home.
This is the answer, a sniper with a heavily silenced weapon it's something to fear
@@internetisinteresting7720 of course. Especially in cities where ranges rarely go beyond a few hundred yards, and I’d bet my last paycheck (which was pretty small this week) that they also use it something like the 300 black out. No idea why this guy didn’t talk about it, instead of just reciting what he read on the internet. No way special forces wouldn’t use this for CQB special operations.
Absolutely
Also, that "effective ranges" like 800 m for more common sniper rifles are very exaggerated, most of wars are not like in Afghanistan where you shoot from one mountain to other mountain.
100 m is already distance that you barely see the target without scope (you can aim only to siluete, not to specific part of body), so 100-300 m is already sniper distance and it's enough distance that when enemy see you, they can't effectively hit you with standard guns and you still have enough of time to escape if they start chasing you. People who never shot are crazy about distances, they see bullshits in movies, yes, you can hit something on 800 m, but you need to lie on ground with good bipod and be patient, as I said, you are a good shooter when you hit something on 100 m.
Have no experience with weapons (except some air guns) but you are right. Never thought about, but the goalkeeper on a soccer/football field is already quite a small siluette and even if you can still see him, it would be hard to hit the head without scope. Just realised what it means to shoot over 300m because in video games, thats usually pretty easy.
In Soviet Russia, the silencer has a gun attached.
In Soviet Russia gun silences you
that sounds more like a description of a welrod.
Communist at war is the deifinition of sneaky
@@HubertofLiege In the USA education cripples your mind and medical bills will finish you, and you will think how you live in the greatest country in the world, that has something to do with democracy.
@@ozymandiasnullifidian5590 Soviet Spy detected, someone, inform them of the existence of human rights, quick!
"No stopping power" I think your under estimating the power of 9x39, they don't use the cheap FMJ shit you get in the US, they use BP (7N12) which is capable of penetrating type III body armor under 300m which is its effective range, add the fact that this rifle is about as loud as a suppressed .22 then you have yourself a very deadly weapon.
Oh
Dude, it's about Russian/Soviet weapons . Of course they gotta downplay and say anything they make is inferior to what the West, especially the US, make.
Even if Soviet-manufactured military equipment (from guns to tanks, helicopters, etc) include some of the most quirky and practical solutions seen in weaponry.
@@juangallego7197 They also did quirky shit like adding a hook to the bottom of their jets because they saw the US do it, despite the fact that they didn't have any aircraft carriers to actually justify that.
How do you think that has any more "stopping power" over FMJ? The only difference is that the military rounds penetrate soft body armor. No 9x39 round is meant to expand or fragment and will make a hole straight through, exactly like a 9x19mm FMJ bullet.
@@plmokm33 fyi many land based fighter aircraft have tail hooks - they're used during emergency landings when the plane might not be able to stop before the end of the runway. the F-15, F-16, F-22, F-35A, & Eurofighter Typhoons all have tail hooks even though they can't operate from a carrier. not very quirky
The VSS Vintorez is no joke. Had the pleasure of shooting one several times and although it looks weird, it’s a great rifle none the less.
Is it hard to shoot with it from three hundred meters because I have heard people whining about the bullet drop
@joemama51930 Muzzle velocity is low, bullet drop is high
Weird? The sleek design is just flawless
The VSS Vintorez is actually a brilliant design. The click is quiet enough that the audible range is substantially less than the effective range, and you could easily dismiss it as something else even if you heard it. And the round is powerful enough to penetrate many types of body armor. It's therefore a great "urban sniper" weapon, where you may be engaging high value targets at comparatively close ranges. When you start to think of it as an urban sniper instead of a traditional sniper rifle, then it starts making a lot of good sense. Firing this thing from inside a building, the click may not even be audible 20 feet away outside.
Yeah sure. Movies and video games aren’t real.
Any bullet with the mass that this rifle fires that has the speed needed to penetrate body armor would break the sound barrier which would be audible, even at pretty big distances.
This guys videos are 100% goofy swill made for people that have never fired weapons in real life.
Edited to add: the 130 db this thing is reported to fire at would be very loud. It’s the equivalent of a jet taking off with afterburners engaged at 50 yards distance.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood agree
All sounds that exceed 85 decibels are considered dangerous to human hearing
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood Actually, no, it's subsonic. There are videos showing it being used. It really is just a loud click.
@@WardenWolf if it’s subsonic, it wouldn’t be able to penetrate body armor unless the bullets are made of plasma.
I remember watching some old, I think 2016 or even older, video of clashes in Donbas an fights around some airport where a Ukrainian fighter claims he was surprised cos he didn't hear shots when Russians broke into the building and close fighting started. He said he could hear bullets hit the walls and stuff, he could occasionally see some muzzle flashes from down the corridor, but he couldn't hear the gun actually firing...
93rd brigade at donetsk airport right?
when gunpowder was first invented, the shock of the sound and smoke it produced caught people off guard. I guess nowadays its the silence that catches people off guard
Could have just been his adrenaline
pretty sure he's talking about this clip th-cam.com/video/0AtszHyy8rY/w-d-xo.html
they actually provide the date for the firefight they're talking about, 29th nov. 2014
@@tekna_ brilliant. Thanks
There was a story I read on a newspaper. It was from a Ukrainian serviceman. It went; 'i was relaxing with my squad leader and my squad mate, then a shot hit just above me. We all dashed for the trench but my squad mate who was to my right was hit in the jaw which shattered killing him instantly while also mangling his face. No chance of a open coffin. Then my squad leader, who was behind me when we all started running for the trench, was hit in his forehead. His head was cracked open causing his head to split open. I was in the trench then peaked out and was hit in the shoulder causing me to pass out.' this was all done by a single soldier with a vintorez and none of them had any clue where the soldier was
Most soldiers couldn’t hit a target at 6,7,800m… but with practice many could be proficient at 300m it makes sense to put a rapid fire marksman rifle into lots of hands, especially special operations units.
And that bullet is huge, so what gets hit stays hit.
Also it’s subsonic, meaning it does not break the sound barrier and create shockwave blast. That means it’s much much quieter. It’s suppressor is made to sound like breaking branch when shooting.
300 to 600m is the standard in the British infantry. 900m first rnd hit
With up to 1200m with the L96
.338 changed all that
@@ifv2089 That’s a really high bar. You’d need excellent optics. But the perfect conditions for a long range shot would be rare in real-life active conditions, so what I mean is… It’s better to have the quiet and accurate rifle, that hits hard, and troops can use effectively out to 300m. Surely not much combat is happening at a kilometre-plus, so not every soldier needs to be able to snipe. And again, under fire would be more difficult than on a range.
@@goawayihavecommentstomake1488 that's basic uk infantry standard. What do you mean by not much combat is happening past a kilometer? Of course it is the enemy move around same as us , name of the game is to have weapon systems that out range the enemy's.
@@ifv2089 At a 600+ meter distance against Russians you'll be shooting at incoming mortar, artillery, MRLS and autocannon rounds, most likely, than their troops.
Not gonna lie, this rifle was something I always considered so freakin' cool!
Same here!
Embrace it. It is truly something special, and truly fucking beautiful.
two of us!!!
Not sure why this weapon is branded a sniper or marksman rifle. It should be branded as a covert ops weapon. It fulfills the function needed for operating behind enemy lines with no support. Reminds me of the fg42, has the concept the nazis believed in for success of these kind of combat roles.
@@YTStopCensoringFreedomOfspeech actually i think special purpose carbine would be a better classification for it but it gets put as a sniper because it was scoped at the time when scopes were really only on sniper and marksman rifles for the most part (remember ACOG's didn't get to be a much of a thing until after the first gulf war and this is an early mid 80's piece!!) plus it was meant to precision shooting and on top of that it the VSS doesn't really fit neatly in any regular category!!
I remember playing an old game called "stalker: pripyat" and the vss was the most useful and OP weapon you could have
Bro you didn't have to phrase it like that. Please bro you're making me feel ancient
an old game. man. an awesome game. Wait for the new stalker to be released : heart of Chornobyl
I still go back to it occasionally. Great game. Great weapon.
In SOC these guns are very rare. Only 2.😎
@@atana5588 What are you on about m8? Veteran stalkers carry them all the time
Просто большое количество Винторезов осталось после 1990-2000 годов. Помню выдавали ребятам в Чечне Винторезы и АС ВАЛы, на отряд штуки 3-4 точно было, для скрытых задач. Часто мы с них часовых снимали
It's a great rifle; better arguably than .300 BLK, as 9x39mm is 250-278 grains, which is heavier than .300 BLK (around 220 grains); so more stopping power. The latest rifle for this round, the SR-3 Vikhr has a detachable silencer and can be used with or without the suppressor. Also 30 round mags are available, something the video failed to mention. One big advantage of this system is that AS VAL/ SR-3 Vikhr mags will not fit into an AK. That may not sound like a big deal but when you have two type of ammo on the battlefield, having one magazine can be a huge problem. That's also probably why this rifle is issued to grunts, while the .300 BLK is only issued to special forces, who are less likely to mix the mags up.
Tbf, it has the same design choice as the 7.62×39. The 7.62 diameter was chosen because it can take advantage of existing tools to make the barrel instead of having to build new tooling machines. And the 300 was chosen because it can be made from already existing cartridges. While it doesn't enjoy the benefit of a specialized cartridge designed from the ground up, it has the advantage of having more raw materials readily available.
The closest thing to the VSS the U.S was going to have was the honey badger for which was meant for SpecOps, it was chambered in .300 blackout which is a 5.56x45 casing accommodating a .30 cal bullet, it has better ballistics than the 7.62x39 and uses the same 5.56x45 magazine and bolt while keeping the same rounds count of 30 for standard mags.
The idea was for the operator to use the subsonic ammo for silent engagements, and having the ability to switch to supersonic ammo when shit hits the fan to get extra velocity, range and penetration.
It wasn't adopted by the military but it found its way in the civilian market.
It wasn’t widely adopted. It still is used but in very small amounts
@@danieljennings5393 By who? Domestic terorrists?
Not to be that guy but no civilian needs a firearm like that.
@@segakiler your that guy
@@segakiler you should try reading the 2nd Amendment
Some western armies do use weapons firing 300 Blackout ammunition for suppressed fire. The most significant silenced weapon used by the west has been the HK MP5SD for suppressed firing. 300 Blackout has similar performance to the Russian 9mm x 39mm super and subsonic ammunition. These calibers can come in subsonic and supersonic ammunition depending on requirements. Supersonic rounds can be used for extra power when suppression is not vital. .300 blackout has nearly the same caliber as the AK 7.62mm x 39mm commonly used with older AK rifles. Not all countries disclose the use of these rifles. The US and the Netherlands are known to have used 300BO rifles. They can provide accurate fire at over 200 meters. That is better than 9mm in suppressed sub-machine guns like the 9mm HK MP5SD. More powerful suppressed ammunition that be fired from AR-10 type rifles using 7.62mm NATO ammunition. They can fire much larger bullets at subsonic speeds over a longer range. Two rounds have been developed. the .375 Raptor and 8.6mm Blackout from Faxon. With subsonic and supersonic loads. They have superior performance over the 9mm Russian caliber. Like 300 BO they mainly require a barrel change for 7.62mm NATO rifles to fire these new calibers. And likely some minor modifications for more reliable action and use with suppressors. Such as increased gas pressures. This includes AR-10, M-14, HK G-3 and FN FAL rifles. Special forces have a much greater range of equipment they can use. .300 BO is also very useful as a PDW, personal defence weapon. They provide more accurate fire than 9mm sub-machine guns. This would be every useful for REMF soldiers and non riflemen in front line units. Sig Saure and Daniels defence offers a variety of .300 weapons. They would be distributed like .30 M-1carbines used during WW2 but .300 BO has significantly better performance. And can penetrate some body armor.
T+P made a video about the 300 Blackout
.30 Carbine can penetrate level 2 soft body armor at 100 yards.
300blk does not go in .308 rifles.
Nice post. Thank you for the info.
@@PAYTONLB999 where did he say that
VSS penetrates 4 mm steel sheet at a distance of 500 meters (depending on the ammunition), thanks to a special subsonic nomenclature of unique ammunition (SP-5, SP-6, SPP, BP). And now, during the Ukrainian conflict, the VSS became a common weapon complex in the Russian armed forces.
That, and they've now had decades of manufacturing set up. It's no longer the 'new' rifle.
A couple of days ago fired with VSS. I've got the target on the 50 meters and fired standing on hands, using 2x scoup. The bullet is so heavy that when you are trying to fire "in 10 score", you are getting only 6-7 score (near 10 centimeters down). It's very silent and it has no recoil by the way
I think the most sneeky-breeky thing the Russians made was the self-sealing cartridge. It utilized a plunger to expel the bullet through the barrel while keeping the combusted gasses inside the casing.
MY GOD ANOTHER PERSON KNOWS OF THESE!
Yep. I wonder if a cartridge like that would be legal in the US? 🤔
Oh yeah the PSS pistol
@@Bran_Nuthin I can't see why one couldn't try making one themselves if they're a reloader. It would be sketchy af but I think it could be done.
Now, whether or not it would be legal? I'm pretty sure AFT would consider it some sort of suppressed device even though it's just ammo.
@@JohnDoe-vf2yo Maybe Brandon Herrera will make some one day?
As far as the aft, yeah they pretty much just make shit up as they go so they'd probably consider it a suppressor even if it doesn't meet the definition.
I mean.... It's a suppressed, subsonic armor piercing bullet. Sounds pretty freaking handy to me. It's just a bonus that it happens to be a sniper rifle.
oh and it can shoot at like 900 rpm or something crazy
Its also sexy AF
First time I seen this rifle was playing metal gear solid 4. That game had so many real life guns and correct calibers was a awesome game to use as reference. Vss 9mm was mainly used for body armor penetration. Uses a armor piercing round I forget the make up of the round.
Thank you, Task and Purpose, for yet another very detailed weapon system breakdown that is both info-dense and well-produced as well as entertaining.
One of the best weapons in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
My absolute favourite in Call of Pripyat. By the way, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 was originally announced for this year, but then "something" happened...
GET OUT OF HERE STALKER
it's great in all 3 games
only sniper i ever use
vss my beloved
Some extra facts about the VSS and VAL and 9x39 guns in general are
the VSS can be dissembled and fitted into a special suitcase, this was a feature meant for the KGB for covert operations.
As the VSS and VAL are milled guns they are rather expensive so in the 90's the Russians produced the VSK-94 and 9A-91 which are stamped sheet metal with plastic furniture and their suppressors where also detachable, said guns fell out of use by the late 2000's and where only really used by the MVD and other internal units, the 9a91 also had two prototypes with a grenade launcher and a second with an under barrel shotgun which was based of the RMB-93 a top loaded tubefed forward pump action shotgun. They also only had 20rd mags that where not compatible with the VSS/VAL and where completely straight rectangular boxes made of metal.
The VAL and VSS are also related the the SR3 and SR3M which where later designs with differnt features such as the SR3 being super compact with detachable suppressor while the SR3M was more a VAL with a foldable forgrip and detachable suppressor and said guns also had a new 30rd mag steel that can be used in the VSS/VAL, latter a plastic 30rd mag was made with the new VSSM and upgraded VAL. Both guns keep the VSS style fire selector behind the trigger while having an AK style safety that must be disengaged first.
The 9A-91 was my favorire gun on BF.BadCo. series...
As well as OTs-12 and OTs-14
@@quik478 yes there is also the AK9 and some other new things in 9x39
@@deltaforce2780 you mean the zoomer plastikov? Tbh, man, I fucking hate Kalashnikoc Concern. They just necrophile the great name turning it into a brand of airsoft tier plastic.
To dissemble is to lie. DISASSemble is what you're looking for in a word.
Serdyukov is pictured holding the sr1 pistol. Very cool and advanced for its time, even by today's standards tbh. Powerful and you can quickly swap barrels to fire a more powerful round.
Thanks for your excellent coverage of the war
Having seen Brandon Herrera's video, the funniest thing about it is how they managed to make such a crude, simplistic suppressor system work surprisingly well
The russias would be some of the best designers in the world if they could actually afford to put things into production.
@@goldman6506 Their silencer designs are garbage in comparison to western designs.
@@ExpatriotSilencers Garbage compared to what? What western designs have similar low cost/ease of construction and what is their perormance compared to the Russian offerings?
The Russian designs are crude, but from all acounts they are more than good enough for the task. Most western designs are poorly suited for low-cost mass production, requiring expencive/scarce alloys. Along with specialized construction methods. Your average compitently built Form 1 can is already plenty quiet
@@ExpatriotSilencers Most of silencer in west are more silent but can not last long,Val silencer can not broke if used properly easy to clean and doing his job just fine...
Didn’t brain say that his suppressor isn’t the original, but rather a westernized version?
One of the reasons to built it was the fact that soviet recon soldier used to grab two AKs: one with silencer attached and one without it. It was actually heavy setup, USSR decided to build special weapon which will be light-weight sneaky one for recons. VSS and Val are basically that sneaky AKM replacement.
@@tenditown2378 смотри настрящего американского журналиста Птрика Ланкастера чтоб знать правду который всегда на пепедовой. Но не продажных проамериканских которые сидят в тылу и снимают фэйки.
bs. nobody would carry 2 identical rifles . if you need supression you will use it if not then why bother.
@@vihreelinja4743 Supressed and unsupressed AK has different ballistic so if you want to be sure that you will hit target in 100 meters using your ironsight mark you must zeroing your rifle with supressor attached. If you just attach supressor without zeroing your AK will not hit target at 100 meters by your 100 meters mark due to different ballistic.
That is the reason why recon used to has two AK.
@@anannoyingnpclewis270 ... I have no idea what ur talking about.
Youre "stuck" with a suppressed weapon if you bring an AK fitted with a surpressor or a VSS or VAL.
Whats the difference? And whats the issue with having a surpressor fitted if you think it May be needed, but in the end it didnt matter. It doesnt make the weapon useless. I also think one could be trained to compensate the different trajectory between surpressed and un surpressed.
Can you back up any of your claims because im pretty lost
@@koettfaers English is my second language.
This the process of zeroing an AK by Russians: th-cam.com/video/GrgVN2LF6K8/w-d-xo.html
>And whats the issue with having a surpressor fitted
You must zeroing your rifle with suppressor again and make all corrections like in video above.
>I also think one could be trained to compensate the different trajectory between surpressed and un suppressed.
The bullet trajectory could move sideways, you must correct your sights to be sure where it takes.
Thanks CAPPY!! GREAT CONTENT as always!!👍🔥💪
Just realized. It's basically a more dedicated version of our DMRs, looking very good for its role exceeding ours in general but only really shining in closly contested fights or in domestic situations we usually have no business fighting in
It'd be so cool if Cappy and Brandon Herrera collabed on stuff like this. Cappy with his military expertise and Brandon with the actual firearm. Plus Cappy would have so much fun at the range.
I'm a huge fan of his work would be cool to collaborate some day
@@Taskandpurpose big fan of your content. Keep up the good work. Love from Miami.
yeah but Cappy is in Commie/National Socialist occupied New York while Brandon is in the free state of Texas. I'm not even sure if cappy is allowed to shoot a squirt gun in NY
Not to disparage Brandon who clearly knows stuff that I don't, but I'd like to see Cappy in a discussion with Ian at Forgotten Weapons.
@@aaronleverton4221 yes! I’d love to have Brendan here but gun Jesus is needed
A perfect weapon
for urban warfare.
true
...in video games
@@thebigmon IRL aswell. High fire rate, ammo that has beastly penetration, always supressed, compact. There is a reason why it got adopted way before anyone knew about it.
@@thesayxx IRL no one uses this shitty weapon in urban battles (i dont talk about call of duty). 5.56 or 7.62 + machine gun per group + RPG. when the REAL battle begins, no one cares about these silent bullets.
Dude, imagine having rubber baffles inside a suppressor in this day and age. Brandon Herrera purchased a VSS parts kit and his gunsmith build it for him, the original baffle design was so outdated that they simply decided to redo all the design itself and put more baffles in there to suppress shit more effectively.
The VSS is basically a monocore with four welded washers inside, not rubber. That was an older version of a previous attempt, but regardless, it's still trash. 130+db for subs is pretty subpar.
@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper subs don't do 130db. No way.
@@LuisC7 You're not very up to date on the silencer industry if that's what you think. 130db was done a long time ago, we're in the 124-126db range these days. Hell my F1 can meters 128db reliably with no FRP, and I made that with a simple non-CNC lathe and mill.
@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper but that's a very small decrease in db. There are some in the market that do 20 db decrease
@@LuisC7 Wait, are you trying to say that you really believe there are cans on the market that'll do 110db? First you're saying that 130db is not possible with subs, then you say 124db is a small decrease. You're really sending some mixed signals, unless you think unsuppressed subs aren't even 130db, in which case holy shit you need to find someone that knows something about cans.
I don't really see many actual drawbacks from this. Granted, it's got fewer bullets so you'd have to carry an extra mag or two to make up the difference, but seeing as normal doctrine is to fire semi-auto I don't see how you'd have any major drawback by having to reload after 20 instead of 30. You've got essentially the normal effective range that soldiers fire at, up to 300m, it's suppressed, it's accurate, got decent penetration ability and it's light. It wouldn't replace a sniper rifle, but for a normal squad it seems like a great addition or even substitute for current rifles in many countries, provided the price is right.
Usually big slow objects dont have penetration ability. Wouldnt its velocity be lower as well?
Yeah only drawback is the subsonic ammo can't penetrate body armor, but its still gonna hurt like hell, maybe crack a few ribs
@@parkerdaniel960 The rifle and ammunition for it were literally designed to effectively penetrate personal protection - some "internet expert" says that it "cannot penetrate body armor."
It's funny.
When will you finally run out of such "experts"?
@@YuriiTemnikov Never claimed to be an expert, didn't know that it had specially designed ammo, I support Putin.
The VSS can use just about any AK pattern 30rd mag with virtually no mods done to it. The cartridge OAL and width remains identical to a 7.62x39, it's just the follower that needs to be replaced, and that can be taken from a 20rd mag and dropped into a 30rd mag. Two reasons why they chose the 20rd capacity is length and reliability. For length, you need only look at how they're shooting it from a prone position, it's just easier to operate closer to the ground when there's not a mag trying to become a tripod. Reliability, the problem comes from the added weight of that heavy 9mm projo compared to the 7.62 projo, stacked up in the mag there's a lot more weight for the spring to lift and feed, so a standard AK mag spring can cause feeding issues. Add extra spring weight and now you're getting into the issue of spreading the feed lips out because of that extra pressure. It's a relatively easy fix though, as the updated version of the VSS does come with 30rd mags and those issues were addressed.
It's a weapon tailored to how the Spetznaz operate. Or operated. Clearly an urban weapon - and dual purpose - sly shooter or shootout shooter.
We romanticize the sniper as a long reacher. But concealment in confined areas is on the menu as well.
Further a sniper's job is often observation, scouting and reporting. ...
Is that the Spetznaz' job? Is their job more on the lines of getting narrow tasks accomplished? Then they've probably got the right rifle here.
Finally someone understands what functionality really is. Most of the people want to use the "sniper" or DMR name for this weapon because of the optics (maybe?). But as you wrote, this gun was built to fulfill the requirements of the purpose and methods of a particular SF unit of which the tasks are completely different from the regular units'. Sometimes it is not important to add things to categories, but to understand their purpose and there wouldn't be misunderstandings.
By the way, yours is an underrated comment.
UKranian solder explain it very simply.They use artillery from morning till dusk,we can not sleep or rest,then come night with night come Specnatz (or some other grup)with Vals and thermal,then in morning Army push if they do not brake our line ,rance and repeat..till they brake it..pretty deadly weapon..it is no joke uses Tungsten tip 9×39mm bullets,can penetrate 4 mm of titanium at 400 m easy ,vest can not help...
@@erikkoszas2562 Yeah
A nice reminder, that Sniper doesn't nessary mean Long Range.
That's news to a layperson.
it means MORE than 400m ANYWAY !
This gun looks amazing. Reminds me of like a Nordic 1980s luxury ski cabin getaway
They work,very well,thankyou
The VSS reminds me a lot of the De Lisle Commando Carbine from WWII.
We do have something similar to this in the US, and it's the 300blk Pistol with subsonic rounds.
Do they still have one at Warminster?
@@calholli But are they using that in the military yet?
Was thinking the same thing. There was a need for that doctrine back then, there's no way modern armies with modern tech don't have any less need for it now.
@@eisleyism No they were all destroyed as being to dangerous, when fired the only sound was the working parts
Hahahahhaha you have some funny timing bro. I’m about to test the AP loads
@NaN we don’t have anything similar. 300 blk doesn’t really compare. The only thing that comes sorta kinda not really close is that weird 458 socom round and beowolf
@NaN .300BLK is not a comparison. 9x39 has way heavier bullets.
VSS is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen and it's nice to see it get recognition
First, the dragunov is a marksman rifle. second, 9x39 which is what the VSS and VAL shoot, both have more stopping power, and penetration ability than .300 blackout, which was the US answer to this rifle. If I'm remembering correctly, this round also has more stopping power than a 5.56 as well. Stopping power being joules delivered to target on impact.
If "joules delivered on impact" is the meaning, shouldn't "impact energy" be the term?
@@leeham6230 they're the same thing. Stopping power is just the fudd term for it.
"Sneaky barrel" is my new favorite term
When I first started watching, I didn’t think I would look forward to your posts, keep up the good work brother, one of the best channels on yt
I think it serves the special niche, and it serves it well. Brilliant for SF and CQC. Geat idea, would love one for close up varmint hunting and house protection
> creates an arcane weapon
> refuses to elaborate
> dissolutes
Cappy, a friendly safety/security heads-up: unless you really want to be doxxed or just don't care, please never indiscriminately show your abode's or neighborhood's surroundings. Beware of the bad actors.
I remember the early days of PUBG on console, a lot of people liked the VSS. I also remember using it to snipe two guys that were about 100 meters away from me. they had no idea where the shots were coming from. I was right in front of them, but they thought the shots were coming from their right
I still use it occasionally
@@damyr seems like you care.
@@user-tg4bb3jb1s Of course I care that stupid kids are coming to this video talking about freaking video games. GTFO of here kids and go watch minecraft or something.
@@damyr does it bother you? Too bad. Learn to cope
@@damyr don’t gotta out yourself like that dude.
When it comes to ranges and magnifying optics in conflicts, many people have some very unrealistic perceptions as i had them. When i was younger i thought that i would surely pick the rifle with the longest range and the highest precision if i had to choose in the case of a war. Imaging myself camouflaged in the woods and equipped with a good old bolt action rifle, because the effective range of them beats the effective range of cold war era rifles by far. Than i learned that nato estimates about average combat ranges in europe was something around 150 meters and how important follow shots are. Warfare seems to be not the cool sniping from a secure position, but more like not got fucked over while moving and fighting it out in close ranges. I also remember the time when the G36 with the build in magnifying optics got into service and so many people were complaining about the scope and the inferior caliber compared to the g3. Turned out that you can't see a soldier in camouflage hiding in the scrub on 100 meters anymore with your naked eye and that soldiers using g36 had a huge advantage over soldiers using the unscoped g3.
The most similar weapon is a suppressed M1- 30x30 carbine. But it lacks in long distance penetration. It's range is about the same and speed of round. But it lacks punch at 300y. Only penetrating 4mm of steel. It's the closest we got. 30 round mag full auto. 18 in barrel foldable stock. In paratrooper model.
But this is auto
Tarkov players knows and fear this weapon.
not anymore, they're more likely to hit the ceiling than me.
@@ThatGuy-bz2in I'll be honest, haven't played for a year or more. But back then it was the best choice on small maps like factory or labs
@@ProAverageGuy fair. last wipe it was great. This wipe they redid recoil and it is awful.
Speznaz are not necessary military units. The VSS and VAL were meant mostly for urban combat and found most of it's effective application in counter-terrorist operations.
I do remember the first time seeing it pop up in news was when Russia hit a house barricaded by terrorist, the guy using it weren't even in uniform.
I love to play with this gun and ASVAL on video games such as Battlefield and Call of Duty. It is so exotic.
Just one of the best looking rifle ever made
00:04 Two months ago, you told us the US military, at least the secret squirrel parts of it, already have rifles in 300 blackout, which is the exact same idea.
No, that’s why Q came out with the 8.6 blackout
@@donh1572 🙄
@@Pest789 check it out for yourself. The 300 blk can’t penetrate armor while subsonic and accuracy is subpar
They arent marksman weapons
@@___meph___4547 maybe for supersonic but not so much for subsonic. You can dismiss Q but they are a major developer of 300 blackout and even admit it’s flaws. Hence why they came out with 8.6 blackout
Actually, the US does have an analog. It's suppressed rifles in ,458 SOCOM on an AR platform.
No, that’s why Q came out with the 8.6 blackout
SOCOM is NOT "rank and file" troops :D
@@piotrd.4850 Neither is VSS VAL ; )))
@@donh1572 yep the 8.6 blackout has very similar ballistics to 9x39 with subs. Plus the supersonic packs a punch. I hope 8.6 blackout becomes more popular so I can get my hands on one. I already love 300 blackout.
@@piotrd.4850 Neither is VSS 😉
I think it's a great piece of hardware. I suppose it's just a difference in approach: will you choose a specialized weapon, with the drawback of needing special training and special ammo?
That'll get you an edge over the competition in certain scenarios. Or will you modify an existing platform to fill this need, having everything more in line?
It's not much better or worse, it's just different.
That's a specialist tool. I like that 9x39. Makes good combination.
It reminds me of the MP5 in 7.62mm, obviously designed to defeat body armour at short range. We brits had something like this in WW2, the De lilse carbine which was a short suppressed rifle for special forces. Too niche for most engagements but cool and interesting none the less.
It sounds like what you're describing is a the MC51 made by FR Ordnance Intl. It was designed for the SAS as a short maneuverable rifle that could defeat body armour by using 7.62 Nato. It would be more accurate to describe it as a cut-down G3 variant.
Russians build this rifle for own purpose and need but uploader says "this bizarre" rifle....
As usual everything is bizarre in Russia even someone can't understand.....
Cheers.
@@user-lr3dt4me5j Well, VSS are used in principle in special operations where stealth is needed. VSS Vintorez, like AS VAL, is used for anti-terrorist operations, as it was in Afghanistan and Chechnya, as well as for urban battles, where distances often do not exceed 300-400 meters. For fighting at such distances, this weapon is ideal.
I was hoping somebody would mention the De lilse carbine. I would like one of those.
I remember using this gun as a full auto sniper rifle in Battlefield play for free, good times :)
BF Play for Free was the best. VSS was lethal on that game!
@@benjaminloyd6056 amen brother man!!! Haha I agree, once they let you change the scope on it too! Yummy! There was a lot of unique guns in that game, one thing it did very well was give each gun a separate feeling unlike other BF games where if you shoot one gun you’ve shot them all.
My particular favorite was the MG3
Also in bad company 2. Awesome weapon
@@nikolaangelov3583 oh yes!!! Least we still have that game, if if the guns feel different some what. I forgot the BFP4F Engine was based on that.
@@manemperorofmankind8119 Haha, I loved this game :) Oman was my favourite map, loved to fly helis, Mi-28 playstyle fitted me well, but Little Bird was simply OP just hovering over enemy spawn point and killing anyone who couldnt find vechicle or run into a building fast enough (especially on this Asian map with lake in the middle).
Still the funniest part was switching to RPG and shooting crazy jeep drivers, wanting to drive over me, they never learned :D
Anyway thanks for bringing me some good memories, its been like a decade, I thought that everyone has forgotten about this game.
Vss Vintorez and As Val are beautiful weapons. Would love to own one
Ultimate sneaky ninja gun. Always loved the versatility of this platform.
I would argue the SIG MCX is a close US comparison to the VSS/AS-VAL. It fires subsonic .300 blackout ammo, has rather large rounds with decent stopping power and is fielded by SOCOM, an equally narrow "spec-ops" style circumstance. I'm iffy on the effective range but I'm pretty sure it will accurately reach into 300m with the LVAW config used by the seals.
Edited: spelling.
It's actually the .300 AAC not the blackout. The AAC is Sami registered the blackout isn't.
@@richardledlightguy Dude. the saami sheet says 300 aac blackout.
@@mattvanourney128 exactly this
@@richardledlightguy wdym? It’s designated as the 300 BLK by the SAAMI. AAC isn’t even in the designation lol. Talk about being confidently incorrect…
Aside from arguments over semantics, .300 AAC, .300 Blackout, .300 Black, 7.62x35mm, are all synonyms for the same cartridge based off of it's predecessor the .300 Whisper. I'd agree that a short suppressed .300 Blackout AR variant, or the SIG MCX variants with integral suppressors, with an added LPVO (maybe 1-4x or 1-6x), using the heavy subsonic 220gr .300 bullets would be the closest US/NATO equivalent. As you mentioned the MCX is already in limited SF use by our SEAL teams, as well as their allied UK counterparts in the SAS and SBS, have adopted the MCX as well. To my knowledge, The Honey Badger was a prototype produced in very limited numbers, like the KAC PDW in 6x35mm, maybe a dozen made at most, that never really saw anything more than maybe one or two field trials, but the MCX is definitely the most successful platform aside from modified AR-15s to use the .300 Blackout. Plus unlike most ARs, you can fit a side folding stock (making it even closer to the AS VAL and also the AR-18, the original system the MCX is based on) since it's a short stroke gas piston operated gun, yet does not need any buffer tube whatsoever. You throw on a LPVO (1-4x, which would be pretty close to the fixed power modified PSO-1 scope used on the VSS/VAL.), or even a Trijicon ACOG on there? And you have a very close western analog.
Still, I will give props and respect to the designers of the rifle and the cartridge. They were definitely ahead of their time and offered a clever solution to a weapon that many special forces teams around the world found themselves needing. A compact close range rifle for urban/CQB covert operations with better ballistics and accuracy than a pistol or an MP5SD, armor penetrating capabilities, and with the lowest noise/flash signature possible. Thirty years later, the west improved upon what the Russians started with the 9x39, and .300 Blackout was our answer. Not only can you use the slow and heavy subsonic bullets in the .300, you can also use supersonic full power ammo for when discretion/stealth is not required or body armor is a factor, plus you gain 7.62x39mm like ballistics even out of SBR length ARs. The VAL and the VSS were never designed to use anything other than slow and heavy subsonic bullets in 9x39, as far as I know the Russians have never made or issued 9x39mm supersonic ammo. Still, the 9x39 was in my opinion, without a doubt, influential to the design and the success of the .300 Blackout cartridge.
The VAL and VSS were created with the active participation of Spetsnaz and are more or less like the swiss army knife - you have a sniper, suppressed weapon and rifle with ability to penetrate body armor all in one. It covers a lot of angles that special missions require - stealth, firepower and compact size. The higher caliber and the less amount of ammo in the magazine are not an issue considering the level of training of the Special forces. Their are not in the "spray and pray" game.
Also, suppressing is a really stupid idea if the enemy doesn't get to hear any supersonic crack at all.
No idea why they have it. Any of their special forces are, well, in a way dumb. They will overkill an item without caring about sound even if hostages die in mass (do I need to give the examples Russia are well known for). For fucks sake they even sometimes take a BMP with a 30mm cannon and will start shooting the house until it falls if the 'bad guy' is inside (KGB). So no idea when Russian doc is basically (fuck it; over kill x10) vs something like Us special forces where they use it for stealth. The more you get to know Russian culture they don't tend to use logic/planning/thinking for a lot of stuff - I don't understand why other then it is cheaper to exclude that stuff. I mean, even Russian's special forces are not really special forces but more similar to the US Marines in training and action - they don't even have decent special forces like the US. Not trying to say Russian's tatics/etc is bad and they suck - but there is plenty of info online which confirms it.
@@JohnAdams-qc2ju It is almost impossible for a westerner to understand the Russians. There is one old joke - "NASA spent 3 mil USD do invent a pen that can be used in space. The Russians use pencil."
@@Pystro Sound suppression, not suppressing fire ...
@@hallojutuhb9071 I know. My point is that you might very well not notice that you're being suppressed without the sound of the bullets flying past your head.
No sound therefore means forget about suppressing fire. And no suppressing fire means you barely ever need 30 rounds in the mag.
A 300m engagement range plus the ability to fire auto, definitely makes for a number of use cases. The logistics, ok that is an issue for a section or squad level issue, but, definitely a viable weapon system for SF and probably SWAT/ CT units
That's all it was made for: recon units and spec-ops.
The similar AS-VAL is my favorite combat rifle.
Ah the VSS!
Spent two thousand hours killing +10000 ppl with this stealthy beauty.
Just the red dot for headshots and no extra ammo.
Miss those days playing Battlefield Bad Company 2
And here it is in the flesh
Eerie somehow to see that my favorite beast is actually real...
Good times.
I've first seen this weapon in a gun magazine called Kalibar (caliber) back in 1994. I remember the article mentioned the sound the bullet makes was described to be as loud as when you first break billiard balls.
My favourite gun in the STALKER series. It's beautiful.
I cannot help myself but this rifle and SR-3 Vikhr are the coolest looking weapons ever.
The Brits had a similar rifle in the 50s and 60s for their jungle operations. It had an Enfield stock with a 45 cal action and a long suppressor which made the subsonic 45 bullet almost silent apart from the slap on target.
De Lisle carbine 1944 is what you are talking about. see wiki
@@vultureTX001 you beat me to it. I've always wanted to build a new version of that by putting a integrally suppressed barrel on a ruger 77/44. It would be an ideal little brush gun chambered for 44 mag/special.
@@vultureTX001 Thanks. I saw one in England but couldn't remember the name.
I built a DeLisle replica a few years back, it's such a fun little gun and a favorite with the family. Even with my own admittedly mediocre baffle design, all that extra volume to work with more than made up for it. The DeLisle is a surprisingly quiet carbine and a lot lighter than it appears.
Justin...I've seen an integral 77/44 and got to shoot it, they're very similar to a DeLisle and you can run some really heavy subs through them compared to a .45acp. My vote would be the 96/44 though, it's a faster rifle and stubby suppressed lever actions are cool as hell.
Personally love the VSS and AS Val I wish we can get them in the US
The AS VAL and its brother here are in my opinion, the most aesthetically appealing rifles, i don't know why they just really look so cool to me.
an absolute masterpiece of a rifle. 10/10
As far as I know, the requirements for the system were drawn after the kgb spetsnaz had an experience in the Tajbeg palace assault at the beginning of soviet-afghan war. The main silent weapon for sneaky operations was an akm with pbs and subsonic ammo (the combination is still being used today in russian army), but it has a poor distance and stopping power. Also it takes a time to deattach the silencer and change magazine to the one with regular cartridges if it's necessary.
Engineers have tried to make vintorez and val in 7.62x39mm at first, but then decided to create a new subsonic cartridge with heavier bullet for the system.
Iirc subsonic 7.62 * 39 didn't cycle reliably in suppressed AKMs, that was what spurred them to develop a dedicated subsonic 9 * 39 round with AP abilities
@@alijankhan3330 there seems to be a problem with modern ak silencers, but cycling with an original pbs-1 was working fine. It also may depends on cartridges and gas tube settings though. Looks like I was wrong about distance and stopping power of subsonic 7.62x39 system, the main trouble seems to be a pbs itself. The suppressor had an outdated design, it's just a tubes with rubber wibes. Theese rubber wibes had a short lifetime of 20-50 shots, then it's accuracy drops drastically. And the first shots with new rubbers runs randomly, the rifle's aiming should be rearranged again.
@@__-zm5wr I can't remember if it was the subsonic ammo or the silencer which was the issue but I'm guessing it was the ammunition. What I remember for sure is that whatever the issue was, it caused the gun not to cycle properly.
i have shot this rifle, and i can tell it is impossible to hit a moving target with it. the bullet velocity is very low, it is inacurate, you can hardly hit anything at 400 m distance. the only thing it is good for is sneaking at night. also the bullet has a decent stopping power, it will hardly pierce 4 class armor plate, but you will anyway recieve a severe damage.
So its better use with nightvision
So it is great weapon in our view point.
Where did you fire it?
This wasn't vss mabe some crafted copy
Agree with you. Even in India, the MARCOS use it for night ops. Enemy operatives do hear suppressed muzzle report, but since the muzzle flash isn't visible, they stay clueless on where the fire is coming from.
Also, this isn't a DMR, or anything like that. It is hardly used for engagements beyond 100 metres.
definition of sniper - concealed shooter. Range does not dictate a sniper rifle but helps with concealment.
The Russians spetnaz also utilize a rifle called the SV-99 which is toggle lever or straight pull bold action chambered in 22lr and is fully suppressed. They head shoot and or aim for gaps in body armour up to a maximum range of 200m which is more than enough to kill someone.
Fun fact, slagga manufacturing is currently making the VSS, or well vss clone, here in the states to release to the general public, looks and functions just like the real deal and shoots same 9x39mm round.
I think it has “stopping power”!!! It puts out a 250-280 grain bullet at 950-1050 feet per second. That’s around 700 foot pounds or beyond what a submachine gun fires energy wise and way way heavier.
But vss range it's not that far right
@@SHN0o1 400 meters effective range, that's comparable to most service rifles, and while the VSS might be called a "sniper rifle", it really isn't one. It's a fancy integrally suppressed assault rifle that put's on a long range optic to feel like a sniper rifle. The VSS does the job it was designed for very well, but a sniper system it is not, nor is it even a designated marksman's weapon, really.
@@andrewboyce2703 when im playing it in pubg mobile,it feel like a compact sub machine gun with 6x scope tho 😅
@@SHN0o1 that's PUBG for you. No attention paid to realism.
@@andrewboyce2703 well i miss shot when firing over 500 meter so,it's almost real.beside my country doesn't allow live firearm owns by civilian
We do have something similar to this in the US, and it's the 300blk Pistol with subsonic rounds.
I have the same setup the US troops use for silenced use. It's not the 556 like mentioned here. They actually have the 300 Blackout for this work. It don't have as much range or AP penetration. But it very quiet and good for close quarters. I have 2 actually, a standard SIG Rattler in 300, and a SIG Canebrake. It's exactly what the military uses, but sometimes on a select fire lower tho. I think the 350 Legend cartridge would be a good comparison to this rifle in the video. I have one of those also. They can be used for stealth silent work, then shoot long range pretty good with a simple mag change to lighter bullets.
I'd love to have a VSS tho, it's a very cool looking setup. I've heard thier bullets are made a special way also. Maybe another user here can elaborate into that
The closest thing to this has to be the DeLisle(?) carbine from WW2…suppressed .45 cal bolt gun fed by 1911 mags.
I included this one in Weapons Simulator. It shoots very diferently than other weapons because of the subsonic ammo, very curvy but very precise!
There are a whole host of guns in this caliber in Russian service that have no analog in US service. It does have stopping power. Whilst the bullet moves slowly it is very heavy. The teething issues described were actually from suppressed AKM's with PBS-1 suppressors with wipes. The VSS and AS-VAL were designed around the 9x39 round. The PBS-1 suppressor doesn't have rubber baffles though. It uses rubber wipes that close off the bore.
I have had the distinguished honor of firing this weapon several times in my many tours of PUBG. Excellent weapon indeed.
I remember this supposedly also being used as a vehicle disabling rifle to target vehicle optics and crew sitting exposed.
Wonder how effective that actually is.
I think, you confusing this gun with 12,7x55 VSSK "Vykhlop". That one is a silenced .50 antimaterial rifle suppose to break light vehicle engine or destroy tanks sights.
@@Lar1ng1tS I mean possibly. But I remember it being distinctly mentioned aside from that. Who knows would be going senile in my young age 😁
No. The round was shown to have issues penetrating a thin metal helmet.
I think your on crack if your backing that up
For targeting vehicles, if it's not effective it likely wont matter if it's also not heard.
The AS Val…
All I know is that it sucked in BF3 outside of Metro or Grand Bazaar
Well for that you had to have the PKM.
I see quite a lot of people using it in BF3 though, myself included. It does suck until you get the extended mag. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
One of the best weapon in STALKER.
Silenced and no muzzle flash sounds like a winner to me
this thing is a silenced sledgehammer in Tarkov, even its worst ammo eclipses most other rounds
Well, keeping in mind most fights in tarkov happen within it's effective range. Good luck killin anyone at 100m and farther tho.
Brandon Hurrera put one of these together for himself with a great deal of effort but it works fine
Works even better than the real thing because he modernized the suppressor.
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Yep.
Just in those training videos, those soldiers have more heart in training than in combat.
I had a similar idea: a tactical .22LR (or .25 ACP) bolt action "marksmanship" rifle with integral silencer and subsonic ammo, the whole idea for it to be as quiet as possible.
I mean this has a big bullet
This reminds me of a Swiss firearm, the G150 rifle which fired the 10.4x33mm subsonic, it is extremely rare.
searched it up, legit looks like an air gunm interesting
Thanks mate, learnt something new today
1. Sniper rifle and a DMR are not exactly the same thing. SVD for example is a DMR, purpose built for the role.
2. saying that NATO is dead against new ammo types just as US adopted M5 with 2 new ammo types is droll.
VSS Vintorez :) Small but deadly !
My experience with this gun (in tarkov) is as an infantry designated marksman smg.
This thing would dominate urban warfare. You don't need extreme ranges in urban warfare , you need stealth. With a suppressor and scope , you essentially have an invisible sniper that can take out enemies without being noticed.
"NATO doesn't want to add new ammo types"
*Laughs in 6.8*
I honestly thought he was going to flash the M5 on the screen.
I would love to have been a fly on the wall in a European/NATO Partner materiel command office when they got the news that the US was switching to a new round.
Many a potato mashed, baguette broken, and scotch egg flung at a wall.
which will unify the ammo for infantry, SAW, machinegun, DMR and sniper roles down to ONE cartridge... replacing 5.56, 308 and 6.5
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing or cheers of joy because they are finally ditching the underpowered round suitable for knife fight ranges but not wide open terrain of the Europe ...
@@Asghaad Eh, you aughta understand how political and STINGY european budgets are. A change in ammo is a massive, massive upheaval to them. Far more than it is to us.
I suspect we will see a big political fight where EU and US just break with tradition and use different ammo. Especially with H&K being so influential about Germany's vote on materiel standards in NATO. They have got to be PISSED about this, son.
Like he said, US doesn't have one because they don't need one. The m4 can be short barreled and/or suppressed, and used with sub sonic ammo, or even chambered in 300 blackout. Cool gun though
In the beginning the armor piercing subsonic ammunition was made specifically against US Pershing 2 systems in Europe. The SS 23 OKA super accurate system wasn't ready yet and wasn't deployed I'm sufficient numbers and this was a solution that was developed. That is why if you wstch the first training videos for this rifle it you can see that it comes with a small business briefcase. Also easy assembly and disassemble was key. Also the person in the informational video was with civilian clothes and black leather jacket..... which was quintessential look for the time of the KGB agent looks, or at least watch people thought. There is a whole series of silent weapons from this era that are very interesting. Most popular after VSS is the shooting knife. It is even more silent as it has no moving parts.