anyone else come back and watch this every couple of weeks? as my own opinions change along with my knowledge and needs this is a great, "check" on my own thoughts. sincere thank you.
Great episode and I love that your cat/monohull debate included a focus on safety. You both made great points. One check mark in the pro cat safety column is redundancy of systems. Most monohulls are also mono engine, mono rudder (not the Southerlys but most...:), mono prop, mono fuel tank and when those systems fail you are potentially dead in the water. The redundant systems inherent to a cats design offer quite a bit of reassurance that a mechanical failure would rarely leave you dead in the water. The other side of the coin is you have the cost of maintaining two systems. Every pro has a con but in this case, I think the pro out weighs the con. Keep the great debate going.
Spot on you two, love your comfortable, casual, humorous style. There's a lot of duality that just pops between you four. We'll be watching for some new camera techniques you've picked up from the Wynns too. Four of the fastest rising Legends on S/V TH-cam!! Love the Ruby 🌹 and Wynns...Thank you Nick & Teresa.
What a great week of videos with Nikki and Jason. If you both enjoyed the past week half as much as it looked, than I would say it was a fantastic time. The Wynns are great people and it would be a dream to spend the day with them let alone a week with them on the water too. You both are so enjoyable to watch and pairing the four of you together was simply magical! Thanks for bringing us along for several episodes! I am really looking forward to your new season. Thank you both for all you do. It makes my rough days so much better! I thank you sincerely!!!
This collaboration has been so much fun to watch! I can’t tell you how much I looked forward to every new update. I hope you make the move to a catamaran, it would be really cool to see the transition. Love watching your videos. Cheers 🍻 Oh and take us boat shopping with you plz!!!
My wife an I have sailed our older Fountain Pajot al over the Atlantic and Caribbean for a number of years. I have owned both mono's and cat's. First we rented about a half dozen cats over the years to check them out. We were in our 60's then. We are now in our 70's. We had to sell our boat because of 2008 debacle but we loved our cat. Put much sweat equity into it and we learned a lot. We were in storms with her and doldrums. She alway got us through. The one and only drawback that we had was the expense of storing her on the hard. We were charged with taking up the space of two boats. She was not fast, about as fast as a mono but very comfortable and stable.
@@sailingrubyrose No unfortunately . If you have any questions I might be able to help in you quest for a cat. Love following you both. Started following the Wynns and now you. I guess what I like is the fact you all are younger than me. You all more energy. Not that I am a slug but you know.
I agree with Ivan. Really good comments and perspective. I’ve always felt like a monohull is like 5 people camping in a 2-man pup tent on a hill, but a catamaran is more like a London flat.
You mentioned you are thinking about the next boat (previous videos). Of course the decision is 100% yours and I do get the advantages of a catamaran, when at anchor, but I'd still stick with a monohull. Another channel decided to move from a monohull to a catamaran and the charm of their channel just disappeared for me. I no longer follow them. I believe they've reached a financial independence with TH-cam that associated w/ the catamaran just made the current videos seem "shallow". I keep enjoying your channel. The relevance you present, down to Earth dialog and chemistry between the two of you keep me coming back. Thanks and stay the good course. :-)
Cheers my friend, I hope that whatever we get we will stay the same as people. I’m been goofing around my entire life, both professionally as a dentist and outside of that. I don’t think it’s going to change :)
Nice Video guys. As an old mono sailor and now having owned my Leopard 40 since 2015 I love my Leopard. I have done 10 000 NM miles with her including Seychelles, Comoros including 38 knots apparent downwind sailing in 4-5m seas I still prefer my Leopard. Many have said that my model 40 are solid sailors when in rough waters and she has surprised me how well she handles in rough weather. Next year my full time cruising starts and I have the odd thought about buying a Leopard 46 but why invest more just for the 2 of us when my 40 is so reliable and set up now.
Fantastic stuff Mike. I agree- stick with the boat you know, love, and fulfils your needs. No point changing up just for the sake of it. Best of luck with your cruising plans!
Glad to have met you from watching the Wynns. Two of the nicest Salts on TH-cam! I was in the Coast Guard Station Honolulu Hi and a couple came in to report their Catamaran missing they abandoned at sea! The serviceman asked for a description. He told them to come with him and I followed. Their Cat was tied up outside in perfect condition! Talk about screams of joy! It beat them in by a day. Cat or Mono they can take more than us most of the time!
Perhaps the best collaboration in utube history... Can't say how much I appreciate you, and your willingness to share... thank you) (yes, both channels))) hehehe )
Great series of videos with Jason and Nikki! You guys need to do that again, it seems you jelled really well with one another and you seemed sad when you had to leave. Anyway, good luck on your quest for the catamaran and safe travels.
Knew you were going to get a Cat when you started talking about it. It is like when you buy a car or whatever. The second you start shopping it is just a matter of when not if. I am sure you will be very happy with whatever you get. I can't wait to see what it will be. Living vicariously through you both at the moment while I am planning for my boat purchase sometime down the road. Guess I should put a date on it to force the issue. Anyway great vids from Tahiti. Looked like a blast. Have to get there myself one day. Have fun being "stuck" in Valencia for a bit.
Another great vid.. Thanks so much.. I look forward to the new season... As for cat vs mono.. Your choice.. do what is best for you...I will still watch no matter.. It is cool you spend so much time in Adelaide.. I grew up there..
8:15 to the end - thank you for the very congenial conversation of a topic that tends to get peoples' dandruff in a frenzy. Well presented, balanced and focused. Fair winds.
Another interesting video and a continuation of what is becoming an age old conversation, cat VS mono. The points you both raised and answered are right, the chances of being caught in something really nasty nowadays is pretty slim as long as you monitor your weather charts and if something unpleasant starts to build you usually have plenty of time to avoid it. The way a cruising cat is built now is way different to even ten years ago, they are stronger in hull and rigging and you would have to do something pretty dumb to tip one over. The motion is different but like most ocean sailing you get accustomed to it. Last and probably not least, most cruisers spend at least 80% of their time 'on the hook' and going no-where, with that in mind a cat would win hands down every time for livability, your own travels over the past few years should show you how much time you spend actually sailing and how much time sitting still exploring your location. Enjoy Ruby Rose II when she arrives.
Awesome set of videos . found you 2 when watching the gone with the Wynn’s video this morning . Sat down and watched this hole set very fun and injoyable videos . Have now subscribed to your videos . From Steve stott ( a new fan )in sutherlin Oregon u.s.a.
Hey guys. Love the Cat vs Mono debate, although I thought after spending some time with the Wynns you would have been saying "We can't wait to get a cat!". We have our Mono but know our next boat will be a Cat once we finally retire to become full-time sailors. I know the first trans-Atlantic passage I did on the Catamaran convinced me that I want to cross oceans on a Cat that stays mostly level as opposed to heeled over 24/7 like we would have been on a Mono. Just sooo much more comfortable. I felt a bit seasick the first day because the motion is different than a mono, but you get used to that motion really fast. As long as you follow the trade winds around the world, a decent Cat (even a "big & slow" production cats) perform quite well. On the 50' Cat I crossed on, we would sail at 6+ knots on relatively low wind days with just the spinnaker and sail at over 10 knots on a decent breeze day and over 17 knots in a strong wind. A Mono would have a hard time doing those speeds because of the keel hanging down causing a lot of drag. So as long as you don't need to sail into the wind for long passages, I feel the Cat wins in performance and comfort. Oh yes, side note, Terysa said it right. Only racing cats that are light and built for speed can flip. Big heavy production cats filled with water tanks, fuel tanks and all your personal belongings are way too heavy to flip so that is a wives tale, probably told my ardent mono hull people to scare people away from cats. Your mast would snap way before it would flip. Added bonus, Cats really cant sink because the hulls are made to be buoyant so even if you punch a hole in your hull by hitting a log or a shipping container you can wait on your boat to be rescued. A mono will sink really fast if you hit something and get a hole below the waterline. So Cat wins in safety too. I'll be doing the 10K mile passage from South Africa to the USA in May so I'll let you know if I feel the same after that massive passage. Fingers crossed we don't get caught in a massive storm and flip. Now wouldn't that be embracing after what I just said? ha ha. That's our 2 cents on the Cat vs Mono debate. Best of luck in your upcoming season of sailing. Cheers! Craig & Janice
Hey Craig & Janice- thanks for commenting! Your channel is a great option for anyone interested in catamaran reviews & boat tours, so for those reading this, go check them out. We were actually thisclose to coming with you and Paul and Sheryl on that transatlantic, it was only the dates that didn't quite match up that stopped us. Bit of a shame in hindsight- would have been a great experience. Anyway, we definitely *did* finish that week saying how amazing it was to live on a catamaran, and I think we can safely say that we're looking to buy a cat for our next boat. BUT- we also love monohulls and so getting a (much) bigger mono is still an option that we haven't discounted. However, onto more catamaran research, which will be a large part of what we do over the next 12 months. Can't wait! See you on the water one day- Terysa
Other than cat vs mono, what did you think about the difference between Ruby Rose and her cozy wood interior and what some call the "plastic fantastic" of the Leopard? Was it fine after a while or would you go for an older Privilege, Catana, or ? to get the higher level of finish you've become accustomed to? I also agree with Terysa's comment about the poor view forward while underway. For long passages, would love to be relaxing with a book and feet up and be able to just lift my head up and scan the horizon. Just not how most cats are laid out. Maybe a Seawind or Maine Cat.
sv Curiosity is a 2006 model and is definitely not 'plastic fantastic'- like many manufacturers, Leopard's older models are much more 'boaty' in feel and incorporate more wood, creating a much cozier space. The modern trend of sharp corners, light coloured veneers (wood or... whatever they use) and square shapes are really seen only in newer boats. We like sv Curiosity, and I've actually always liked the older Leopards before they added the forward facing cockpit and changed up the interior styling. Now, it's not to our taste. We do like the boaty, cozy feel- Nick likes a more traditional style, whereas I don't mind the more modern designs, as long as they're still a *bit* boaty and not too ikea-y. Like, the new Lagoon range has gone back to darker wooden veneers in the interior, which I like. Not a fan though of the new Leopards, which are very light inside. Hope that makes a bit of sense, sorry for the rambling answer! - Terysa
Loved watching ur adventures with the wynns u to looked liked u had an amazing time from that crazy hike to sundowners and leaning about a cat looking forward to ruby rose seasons with full sails and sunsets ❤️🎩❤️
I own a 36 mono, and have spent many weeks on a 43 leopard. You have listed the differences very well, except for one thing. After a few days on the mono, I get used to the motion and can easily move around . With the cat, that just doesnt seem to happen as it seems to have a 'broken' motion, which is much more unpredictable and difficult to anticipate, probably caused by waves hitting each hull at different times.
Yes, I know what you mean. Even when it's really rough, there's a rhythm to the movement of the boat so you can sense how the boat is going to move a split second before it does. I can see how you wouldn't get that on a cat.
I've owned both. There's some truth in what you say, but there's a bit more to it. The point of sail and conditions matter. Upwind it's pretty much a wash. Jerky motion vs heeling. Beam seas, mono's can be more predictable. Downwind, or quartering seas, the cat is vastly more comfortable. Far less roll, less corkscrewing, much greater directional stability. At anchor, where cruisers spend most time, there's simply no comparison.
Totally agree to all of your points, however that wasn't really what I was trying to say. It isnt the amount of rock and roll, it is how you can anticipate it, and I find that easier on a mono
I really enjoyed your mini-series with the Wynn's! Before we bought our catamaran (a custom Crowther 50'), we really debated between a monohull and a catamaran. We did a few passages, some we had to pay a substantial amount for, and some passages with friends. In the end, we could have gone with either or, but when we found SOBAD (an acronym I hope to tell you over drinks someday), we knew she was the one. We knew going the catamaran route, we would be conceding some performance level, but daggerboards definitely help with that. Cheers!
I know this is late, but in our Spronk Cat built in St Kitts, we flew the windward centerboard down leeward board up. Make sense? If you start to fly a hull, the high side comes out of the water and you lose the tracking and the boat slides back into the water towards leeward. Also unlike monohulls you have to steer downwind if you start to fly a hull not upwind to dump the air out of the sail...
Seen lots of Cats cross the Atlantic Nick, they all made it. I saw an Aus hit a reef in his Cat and sink, but not seen one flip What if you tripped over a Cat this year that was an opportunity not to be missed ? Never forget even Nelson was seasick (and Hornblower) Your week with the Wynnes was a pleasure to watch , as you are solo Thanks for the hard work in producing your vids for our entertainment See you back in Spain
Nick bought up some great points on the safety aspect of mono hulls which I totally agree with, but as you both said there are good and bad points with both vessels ....... I'm a mono hull fan........Keep Safe guys
Hey guys really interesting and open discussion on monohull vs catamaran. I’m sure this is only chapter 1 of a series! Some of the downsides to cats from my monohulistic perspective are: 1. Initial outlay is huge for a catamaran even a used one 2. Assuming you have 2 diesel saildrives that means two lots of oil changes filter changes etc etc 3. Mooring costs for those times you don’t drop anchor...just think of big numbers! Having said that I do agree with your view that as a full-time liveaboard, the cat would appear to be a much more comfortable choice. Thanks for vlogs - they’re always interesting & informative. Cheers Gerard, a monohull sailor from the Gippsland Lakes region in Vic, Australia. We have a 365 Dufour btw
Gerard Wall, where I am (West Coast Canada) a true blue water monohull locally, is close to the cost of a comparably outfitted catamaran in other countries. I am willing to pay for a few flights to find the right boat for me but, generally, you are correct that Cats are more expensive. As for the two engines and sail drives on a cat, you don't have to do the oil changes at the same time. Most often only one engine is running at a time. Running both doesn't gain enough speed to offset the wear and tear, fuel, etc. Most people are saying about a 1/2 knot to a full knot extra speed to have the second engine running. So if you plan correctly you can run one engine until maintenance time and then run the other. If you normally service your engine every 100 hrs on a monohull, there is no difference in the amount of maintenance required. I would think that the redundancy of having a 'spare' engine at sea outweighs any 'inconvenience' of the extra 'perceived' maintenance and required storage of spares. Mooring costs- yes! No disputing that one. Also add in haul out (marinas charge extra for using the bigger lift). Also, what about bottom paint- two slightly shallower hulls versus a deeper hull on a mono plus the keel. Maybe balance out for area to be coated? Not sure. Scrubbing the bottom? Seems like a bigger chore with two 40 foot hulls versus only one. But again, how much difference there is in actual area. If I was out there full time sailing, it would be on a Cat. I would only come in to a marina for haul out and maintenance. The rest of the time I would hope to be out on the hook in a protected anchorage somewhere beautiful. Cheers M8, been to your beautiful country twice! Can't wait for my next visit
Marcel D hi interesting comment. If you refer to your countryman on ‘Cruising Off Duty”’. He and his partner have done massive reviews of Cats - all sizes and believe me they cost a BOMB compared to Cats. In Oz a new 38’ mono would be $380Aust and the comparable cat would be double that plus more. I don’t hate Cats but they are an expensive alternative! No way are they the same cost, otherwise we’d all have Cats!
Marcel D Sorry Marcel just read completely through your comments. Very fair comments & maybe the discussion shouldn’t be Cat or Monohull it sail or not sail! Let’s unite in the view that sailing us fun, is generally easy and so liberating! If you ever get to Ozz, let me know! Gerard
@@gerardwall8847 , thanks. I will take that as "WHEN" I get to Oz... we'll share a froth or two! Sail or not to sail- that IS the question. I rode motorcycles for 30 years. I waved at all of them unlike some riders of certain brands that only acknowledge riders on similar bikes. New boat, old boat, cat, trawler, if you are out on the sea we are all brothers (and sisters) and should be looking out for each other. As for my search for boats, there are a few locally available for $189K to mid $200s for fully outfitted monohulls. There are a few comparable Cats around the globe for high $200s to $350K (after considering exchange rates). More money for sure but, if it is what I want, it will be worth the extra. Search for Gary Fretz. He is a boat broker with tons of info about buying and selling boats. One thing he mentions is to buy 'off season'. That season varies around the globe. So unless you are in a hurry, which is never advisable, shop around! See you on the blue!
Marcel D cheers Marcel. I think our two countries at opposite ends of the globe have many things in common or at least their people do! It would be great to see you down south sometime! Cheers Gerard
I’ve also got to congratulate you both on the cat Vs monohull analysis and comparison. Very thorough, and with your personal touch. I’ve got a question, though... Have you considered a trimaran? The space of a cat, and the performance and safety of a monohull?
We haven't, no. We're going to look at the Neel trimaran at the Grande Motte boat show, but I can't see it being a serious contender. Just not our cup of tea right now.
You talk about not ever getting stuck in a terrible storm mid-ocean, and I think that's a big fear for a lot of people (myself included) when imagining a transoceanic voyage. You should consider doing a video on that topic. Seasonal planning, monitoring weather, and any contingencies that you might have for that time when you are at sea and serious weather is predicted.
!! that's a big draw for me, the weather. Obviously not to be in some mad storm. But all the planning required of the handful of variables. a friend of mine says he would be afraid to sail an ocean, because the whole not near land thing.
That's a great idea Mark. It's actually not at all scary once you understand the world's weather systems, but I get that many people won't know much about that if they're just starting out. I highly recommend Jimmy Cornell's World Cruising Routes (it's a book), which explains this in incredible detail. But yeah, a video could be a good idea.
check out a balance 451.. they are a performance catamaran with daggerboards and they can point to 30 degrees and sail fast at 10 kts. the only down side is if you r over 6' tall the saloon clearance is tight. higher ceilings in the hulls. reverse bows and long sugar scoops make it more stable and smoother ride. its a balance between performance and comfort. Terysa is right about cats capsizing. Downwind sailing in a cat is better as you don't round up as much.
Yep, looked at Balance catamarans online, would be great if we could see one without having to fly to SA though! They do look good, but hard to tell until you're actually walking around (and sailing) one.
Yep, looked at Balance catamarans online, would be great if we could see one without having to fly to SA though! They do look good, but hard to tell until you're actually walking around (and sailing) one.
Nice to hear you guys talking yourselves into a cat... I'm with you as I get older it's about not having to bend in half to change a fuel filter. Keep on keeping on :-)
Great video guys, just as a note, I went from mono hull to cat back to mono; primarily due to the motion of the cat,( I never grew to like it) and secondly I was fed up with paying twice the mooring fees in marinas. Rob
Hi guys, we crossed the Atlantic in Jan 18' we have a Lagoon 400 owners version. 45knt winds, 7m seas, surfed at 16knts, and Balance took it all in her stride, and I never felt unsafe or concerned, obviously we were reefed accordingly. We researched Cats for 2 years before purchasing the 400. Two of us on board most of the time, and we have masses amount of space, we are four up quite often with friends sailing with us, 6 footers, and never feel crowded. The Lagoon is heavier than the FP, and the Leopard, but that is due to quality of fittings. No deck bounce, Lagoon use the same rigging and fittings on the 400, as they do on their bigger cats. We often are hitting 8 a 10 knots , and will happily sail pointing 40-50 degrees , especially in higher winds very well. Hope this is of use. 😃 Neil & Rita, Balance 2
Thankyou Rita! We have friends with a 400 and they were kind enough to take us for a day sail. It was great! They also subsequently crossed the Atlantic and had a fantastic crossing. We too were impressed with the quality of Lagoon compared to FP and Leopard. Nothing wrong with Lagoons if you want a production cat, great interior volume and decent quality at that price point. I like the 42. We shall see. - Terysa
I really like your channel has well as the Wynn's. If you like there cat you should look at Voyage catamarans, they are very similar to Leopard and have a bit of an edge on sailing performance. I own a Voyage 440 for 14 years and will be setting out this winter for the Bahamas. Still working now in Cape Cod. Great stuff, Cheers.
It was interesting to hear how professional you thought Jason and Nikki were, They actually really only learnt how to sail around the same time they bought their catamaran. Pretty mind blowing now they have traveled half way around the world on her.
1 other thing for you 2 you might not have thought of. Do all your deep water places like Patagonia for example, in a mono. Then when you go to the warmer shallow areas the cat will make your lives easier just due to draught. Great chat.
So tempted by a catamaran for the living space but we have likely settled on a monohull for our upcoming trip as a family of four (15 month Med/Caribbean loop). You touch on it but cost was a major factor in our decision, both to purchase and with regards to ongoing running costs (2x marina costs and the like). We are looking at AWBs (rather than those fancy Southerlies) and from everything I can see, you can pick up a 45-50 ft mono, one-owner and well looked after, for perhaps 60% of the cost of an equivalent age AWB 40-42 ft catamaran that probably has 5 years of chartering bashed into it. An extra 5+ ft makes it somewhat more comparable in space terms although clearly still not as nice a living space. Most importantly, saving GBP 75,000+ helps make sure we actually do this rather than just watch youtube videos of others doing it!
My friend, maybe consider just buying in the Carib. someone like Dream Yacht Charter. Save the 20k in needing all the offshore sailing gear, be in the Carib. Without the ocean crossing and voila , happy family. My friends did just this. Purchased an ex charter beneteau 45 ( I think). 5 years old and cost $115k. The charter company fixed everything they found on survey and our friends had a massive cruising kitty.
@@sailingrubyroseWe are relatively experienced sailors but complete novice owners so we are hoping to find someones 'pride and joy' who for whatever reason are moving on. The four we are seeing in the next two weeks are either people retiring from sailing or trading to a new boat having lightly used them previously (to be confirmed!). All Beneteau models (473, 46 and 50). As to buying in Caribbean, I think we want to sail in the Med so need VAT paid (or who knows Brexit wise) and my thinking is that we can baby step the kids and ourselves up from island hopping in Greece / Croatia, to some multi-day trips to get to the Western Med, to real ocean sailing down to the Canaries, to a proper ocean crossing (probably with the ARC) late in the year. Nothing against ex-charter but what I hadn't appreciated until recently is that you need to buy the charter boats at the end of the season or they are back in the fleet for next year, so October in Europe or around now I suppose in the Caribbean. Not sure I want to sit around for 6 months waiting for the right season. As always, safe travels.
Cats are like a raft sitting on the water, in a big storm you set a sea anchor and wait for it to pass. or run a drogue off the stern. they are much safer than monohulls in all situations once you get your head around the stability principles. but there are cats that sail well and can out point a mono and there are cats that are condos and don't sail well. The same can be said for monos.. Cheers Rustie.
4:15 and in my inexperienced opinion, Curiosity seems to have a very different feel from even a similar-vintage charter market boat with four heads, four double cabins and two more bunks stuffed into the very bows
Catamarans get dis-masted in heavy weather. Tipping over only happens in racing where extreme conditions are not caused by sea change and boats are designed to be light and get their hulls out of the water. Cats are like a barge. They sit flat and provide huge forces to accumulate on the rigging and the superstructure in heavy weather. Mono-hulls fall over and relieve the stresses on the rigging when handled correctly in high seas. Note: I am only talking about the most extreme sea conditions.
Are you guys planing to check out a Bali (4.1 or 4.3) cat? I find that to be a nice live-aboard cat, dont know about the performance though... And they seem quite resonably priced (at least the 4.1).
Hey mate, We probably won’t review that Bali as we know it has very few of the qualities we want for a long distance cruiser. While they are perfect for the Carib and for charter, they are not really designed for a big circumnavigation. Hope this helps,
Probably the best opinions on the mono vs cat question on the youtube . Short , nice and clear ! Great video ! Cheers !
Ivan Todorov agree
Gregor Miller, why do you watch?
anyone else come back and watch this every couple of weeks? as my own opinions change along with my knowledge and needs this is a great, "check" on my own thoughts. sincere thank you.
a pretty smile makes any conversation, comment or joke that much more enjoyable, funny and impactful. cheers!!!!
Just want to state, although this is now months later. I enjoyed your adventure with the Wynn’s . Thank you for documenting your journeys. Enjoy!
Great episode and I love that your cat/monohull debate included a focus on safety. You both made great points. One check mark in the pro cat safety column is redundancy of systems. Most monohulls are also mono engine, mono rudder (not the Southerlys but most...:), mono prop, mono fuel tank and when those systems fail you are potentially dead in the water. The redundant systems inherent to a cats design offer quite a bit of reassurance that a mechanical failure would rarely leave you dead in the water. The other side of the coin is you have the cost of maintaining two systems. Every pro has a con but in this case, I think the pro out weighs the con. Keep the great debate going.
Spot on you two, love your comfortable, casual, humorous style. There's a lot of duality that just pops between you four. We'll be watching for some new camera techniques you've picked up from the Wynns too. Four of the fastest rising Legends on S/V TH-cam!! Love the Ruby 🌹 and Wynns...Thank you Nick & Teresa.
What a great week of videos with Nikki and Jason. If you both enjoyed the past week half as much as it looked, than I would say it was a fantastic time. The Wynns are great people and it would be a dream to spend the day with them let alone a week with them on the water too. You both are so enjoyable to watch and pairing the four of you together was simply magical! Thanks for bringing us along for several episodes! I am really looking forward to your new season. Thank you both for all you do. It makes my rough days so much better! I thank you sincerely!!!
Awww, cheers my friend. Glad you enjoyed them
This has been a great set of videos guys. Really well done, funny and entertaining. I barely missed the rants from Nick, but I do miss them.
Absolutely fantastic video! Really love your honest and thorough opinion on catamaran vs. monohull. Great job. Thank you.
This collaboration has been so much fun to watch! I can’t tell you how much I looked forward to every new update. I hope you make the move to a catamaran, it would be really cool to see the transition. Love watching your videos. Cheers 🍻
Oh and take us boat shopping with you plz!!!
You both have to do this again, all four of you were awesome together I so looked forward to both of your blogs.
Fun time with Jason and Nikki, I will follow you two on the Ruby Rose Nick & Terysa!
My wife an I have sailed our older Fountain Pajot al over the Atlantic and Caribbean for a number of years. I have owned both mono's and cat's. First we rented about a half dozen cats over the years to check them out.
We were in our 60's then. We are now in our 70's.
We had to sell our boat because of 2008 debacle but we loved our cat. Put much sweat equity into it and we learned a lot. We were in storms with her and doldrums. She alway got us through.
The one and only drawback that we had was the expense of storing her on the hard. We were charged with taking up the space of two boats.
She was not fast, about as fast as a mono but very comfortable and stable.
Thanks mate. Are you still sailing?
@@sailingrubyrose No unfortunately . If you have any questions I might be able to help in you quest for a cat. Love following you both. Started following the Wynns and now you. I guess what I like is the fact you all are younger than me. You all more energy. Not that I am a slug but you know.
Found your channel while watching your visit with the Wynns. Really enjoy the humor and insights. Happy Trails
Wish you could get back in the tropics soon. Amazing scenery.
Right!? We're working on it... Although we're VERY excited for this coming season. Maybe not what people are expecting...!
I agree with Ivan. Really good comments and perspective. I’ve always felt like a monohull is like 5 people camping in a 2-man pup tent on a hill, but a catamaran is more like a London flat.
This was a wonderful series! You've got me as a subscriber and will look forward to the bonus video as well as your new season!
Welcome my friend
Came to this channel after watching you with the Wynns, a series I have thoroughly enjoyed and I look forward to binge watching your videos.
Loved it. You bring the childishness out in each other. It was great... No doubt a lifetime friendship was born...
Absolutely my friend. They are fantastic people
What fun. I'm a subscriber to the "Gone with the Wynns" as well as Ruby Rose. Both of you are Numero Uno for entertainment!
Great video. I am really liking you guys more and more. I like your down to earth opinions and attitude. Thank you for sharing..
Pleasure mate
well said and we look forward to your weekly episodes keep up the great work cheers
You mentioned you are thinking about the next boat (previous videos). Of course the decision is 100% yours and I do get the advantages of a catamaran, when at anchor, but I'd still stick with a monohull. Another channel decided to move from a monohull to a catamaran and the charm of their channel just disappeared for me. I no longer follow them. I believe they've reached a financial independence with TH-cam that associated w/ the catamaran just made the current videos seem "shallow". I keep enjoying your channel. The relevance you present, down to Earth dialog and chemistry between the two of you keep me coming back. Thanks and stay the good course. :-)
Cheers my friend, I hope that whatever we get we will stay the same as people. I’m been goofing around my entire life, both professionally as a dentist and outside of that. I don’t think it’s going to change :)
What a trip...doesn't get any better.
Glad you got to experience the time with The Winn’s. Variety is the spice of life. Love your matter-of-factness...
Nice Video guys. As an old mono sailor and now having owned my Leopard 40 since 2015 I love my Leopard. I have done 10 000 NM miles with her including Seychelles, Comoros including 38 knots apparent downwind sailing in 4-5m seas I still prefer my Leopard. Many have said that my model 40 are solid sailors when in rough waters and she has surprised me how well she handles in rough weather. Next year my full time cruising starts and I have the odd thought about buying a Leopard 46 but why invest more just for the 2 of us when my 40 is so reliable and set up now.
Fantastic stuff Mike. I agree- stick with the boat you know, love, and fulfils your needs. No point changing up just for the sake of it. Best of luck with your cruising plans!
Glad to have met you from watching the Wynns. Two of the nicest Salts on TH-cam! I was in the Coast Guard Station Honolulu Hi and a couple came in to report their Catamaran missing they abandoned at sea! The serviceman asked for a description. He told them to come with him and I followed. Their Cat was tied up outside in perfect condition! Talk about screams of joy! It beat them in by a day. Cat or Mono they can take more than us most of the time!
Haha, welcome my friend
Thanks for your commentary about the monohull verses A catamaran. Enjoyed watching you with the Wynns. I'm a long time follower of both of you.
You’re so lucky to be able to say, “ Let’s motor back to Tahiti”. Many of us are seeing our bucket list ports of call through you. Enjoy!
Perhaps the best collaboration in utube history... Can't say how much I appreciate you, and your willingness to share... thank you) (yes, both channels))) hehehe )
Thanks mate, appreciate the good vibes
Great series of videos with Jason and Nikki! You guys need to do that again, it seems you jelled really well with one another and you seemed sad when you had to leave. Anyway, good luck on your quest for the catamaran and safe travels.
Knew you were going to get a Cat when you started talking about it. It is like when you buy a car or whatever. The second you start shopping it is just a matter of when not if. I am sure you will be very happy with whatever you get. I can't wait to see what it will be. Living vicariously through you both at the moment while I am planning for my boat purchase sometime down the road. Guess I should put a date on it to force the issue. Anyway great vids from Tahiti. Looked like a blast. Have to get there myself one day. Have fun being "stuck" in Valencia for a bit.
thanks so much loved the episodes with nikki and jason
Good stuff! I can't wait to see what's next! I would also love to see Wynns on the Rose
They will always be welcome.
Great series with the Wynns. Thank you
Coolest couple of all sailing channels on YT so far.
Thanks so much for sharing your amazing adventures. Absolutely loved the south pacific trip wow!!!!!
Both of my favorite sailing channels together.
Cheers mate
I’m binge watching you guys. Great stuff.
Another great video and boat discussion from the Pierce Brosnan and Ms Moneypenny of youtube boat vloggers. Very cool folks.
Thanks for a charming debriefing... good thought well spoken :)
Another great vid.. Thanks so much.. I look forward to the new season... As for cat vs mono.. Your choice.. do what is best for you...I will still watch no matter.. It is cool you spend so much time in Adelaide.. I grew up there..
Oh no way?? Well don't miss next week's episode then- it's based in SA :)
@@sailingrubyrose cool.. I will..
Great ending of the mini series! Looking forward to see Ruby Rose floating and the new sails catching it's first wind!
I really enjoyed this series. Smooth sailing.
What fun you all had! Great series!
one of the best mono/cat discussions i've seen, thanks for your experience and insight
Thanks mate
8:15 to the end - thank you for the very congenial conversation of a topic that tends to get peoples' dandruff in a frenzy. Well presented, balanced and focused. Fair winds.
Great video... as always.
Another interesting video and a continuation of what is becoming an age old conversation, cat VS mono. The points you both raised and answered are right, the chances of being caught in something really nasty nowadays is pretty slim as long as you monitor your weather charts and if something unpleasant starts to build you usually have plenty of time to avoid it. The way a cruising cat is built now is way different to even ten years ago, they are stronger in hull and rigging and you would have to do something pretty dumb to tip one over. The motion is different but like most ocean sailing you get accustomed to it. Last and probably not least, most cruisers spend at least 80% of their time 'on the hook' and going no-where, with that in mind a cat would win hands down every time for livability, your own travels over the past few years should show you how much time you spend actually sailing and how much time sitting still exploring your location. Enjoy Ruby Rose II when she arrives.
We've really enjoyed your videos with the Wynn's... Two of our favorite channels at once!!
Great mini series. Thank you
Awesome set of videos . found you 2 when watching the gone with the Wynn’s video this morning . Sat down and watched this hole set very fun and injoyable videos . Have now subscribed to your videos . From Steve stott ( a new fan )in sutherlin Oregon u.s.a.
Thanks mate. Welcome to our channel.
I agree! On to Ruby Rose II!
Nice video with the Wynn's. Wish they were still RVing.
Hey guys. Love the Cat vs Mono debate, although I thought after spending some time with the Wynns you would have been saying "We can't wait to get a cat!". We have our Mono but know our next boat will be a Cat once we finally retire to become full-time sailors. I know the first trans-Atlantic passage I did on the Catamaran convinced me that I want to cross oceans on a Cat that stays mostly level as opposed to heeled over 24/7 like we would have been on a Mono. Just sooo much more comfortable. I felt a bit seasick the first day because the motion is different than a mono, but you get used to that motion really fast. As long as you follow the trade winds around the world, a decent Cat (even a "big & slow" production cats) perform quite well. On the 50' Cat I crossed on, we would sail at 6+ knots on relatively low wind days with just the spinnaker and sail at over 10 knots on a decent breeze day and over 17 knots in a strong wind. A Mono would have a hard time doing those speeds because of the keel hanging down causing a lot of drag. So as long as you don't need to sail into the wind for long passages, I feel the Cat wins in performance and comfort. Oh yes, side note, Terysa said it right. Only racing cats that are light and built for speed can flip. Big heavy production cats filled with water tanks, fuel tanks and all your personal belongings are way too heavy to flip so that is a wives tale, probably told my ardent mono hull people to scare people away from cats. Your mast would snap way before it would flip. Added bonus, Cats really cant sink because the hulls are made to be buoyant so even if you punch a hole in your hull by hitting a log or a shipping container you can wait on your boat to be rescued. A mono will sink really fast if you hit something and get a hole below the waterline. So Cat wins in safety too. I'll be doing the 10K mile passage from South Africa to the USA in May so I'll let you know if I feel the same after that massive passage. Fingers crossed we don't get caught in a massive storm and flip. Now wouldn't that be embracing after what I just said? ha ha. That's our 2 cents on the Cat vs Mono debate. Best of luck in your upcoming season of sailing. Cheers! Craig & Janice
Hey Craig & Janice- thanks for commenting! Your channel is a great option for anyone interested in catamaran reviews & boat tours, so for those reading this, go check them out. We were actually thisclose to coming with you and Paul and Sheryl on that transatlantic, it was only the dates that didn't quite match up that stopped us. Bit of a shame in hindsight- would have been a great experience. Anyway, we definitely *did* finish that week saying how amazing it was to live on a catamaran, and I think we can safely say that we're looking to buy a cat for our next boat. BUT- we also love monohulls and so getting a (much) bigger mono is still an option that we haven't discounted. However, onto more catamaran research, which will be a large part of what we do over the next 12 months. Can't wait! See you on the water one day- Terysa
Please make a yt vid of the passage
That is a really good commentary on this subject. Happy Trails
Great summary of both styles.
You are both in love with Ruby Rose !!!
Thank you for the great side videos! I really enjoyed hearing your perspective on the cat vs monohull debate! Keep up the great work!
Thanks mate
Other than cat vs mono, what did you think about the difference between Ruby Rose and her cozy wood interior and what some call the "plastic fantastic" of the Leopard? Was it fine after a while or would you go for an older Privilege, Catana, or ? to get the higher level of finish you've become accustomed to? I also agree with Terysa's comment about the poor view forward while underway. For long passages, would love to be relaxing with a book and feet up and be able to just lift my head up and scan the horizon. Just not how most cats are laid out. Maybe a Seawind or Maine Cat.
sv Curiosity is a 2006 model and is definitely not 'plastic fantastic'- like many manufacturers, Leopard's older models are much more 'boaty' in feel and incorporate more wood, creating a much cozier space. The modern trend of sharp corners, light coloured veneers (wood or... whatever they use) and square shapes are really seen only in newer boats. We like sv Curiosity, and I've actually always liked the older Leopards before they added the forward facing cockpit and changed up the interior styling. Now, it's not to our taste. We do like the boaty, cozy feel- Nick likes a more traditional style, whereas I don't mind the more modern designs, as long as they're still a *bit* boaty and not too ikea-y. Like, the new Lagoon range has gone back to darker wooden veneers in the interior, which I like. Not a fan though of the new Leopards, which are very light inside. Hope that makes a bit of sense, sorry for the rambling answer! - Terysa
Great thanks
Love it! We love the Wynns also and so enjoyed these videos!
Loved watching ur adventures with the wynns u to looked liked u had an amazing time from that crazy hike to sundowners and leaning about a cat looking forward to ruby rose seasons with full sails and sunsets ❤️🎩❤️
Cheers Dale
good job folks ,well done .
I own a 36 mono, and have spent many weeks on a 43 leopard. You have listed the differences very well, except for one thing. After a few days on the mono, I get used to the motion and can easily move around . With the cat, that just doesnt seem to happen as it seems to have a 'broken' motion, which is much more unpredictable and difficult to anticipate, probably caused by waves hitting each hull at different times.
Yes, I know what you mean. Even when it's really rough, there's a rhythm to the movement of the boat so you can sense how the boat is going to move a split second before it does. I can see how you wouldn't get that on a cat.
I've owned both. There's some truth in what you say, but there's a bit more to it.
The point of sail and conditions matter. Upwind it's pretty much a wash. Jerky motion vs heeling.
Beam seas, mono's can be more predictable.
Downwind, or quartering seas, the cat is vastly more comfortable. Far less roll, less corkscrewing, much greater directional stability.
At anchor, where cruisers spend most time, there's simply no comparison.
Totally agree to all of your points, however that wasn't really what I was trying to say. It isnt the amount of rock and roll, it is how you can anticipate it, and I find that easier on a mono
I really enjoyed your mini-series with the Wynn's! Before we bought our catamaran (a custom Crowther 50'), we really debated between a monohull and a catamaran. We did a few passages, some we had to pay a substantial amount for, and some passages with friends. In the end, we could have gone with either or, but when we found SOBAD (an acronym I hope to tell you over drinks someday), we knew she was the one. We knew going the catamaran route, we would be conceding some performance level, but daggerboards definitely help with that. Cheers!
Thanks Kristi. Look forward to hearing about that acronym over drinks :)
Excellent video what a journey
Good, Informative, well chosen words. Sail Safe. Ant & Cid xx
Now Nikki and Jason have got to come visit you!
Yes my friend, that’s the plan
They actually did. How awesome is that
Interesting to hear your thoughts about catamarans. Great video.
I know this is late, but in our Spronk Cat built in St Kitts, we flew the windward centerboard down leeward board up. Make sense? If you start to fly a hull, the high side comes out of the water and you lose the tracking and the boat slides back into the water towards leeward. Also unlike monohulls you have to steer downwind if you start to fly a hull not upwind to dump the air out of the sail...
Great series of videos! Looking forward to the Mediterranean!
Seen lots of Cats cross the Atlantic Nick, they all made it.
I saw an Aus hit a reef in his Cat and sink, but not seen one flip
What if you tripped over a Cat this year that was an opportunity not to be missed ?
Never forget even Nelson was seasick (and Hornblower)
Your week with the Wynnes was a pleasure to watch , as you are solo
Thanks for the hard work in producing your vids for our entertainment
See you back in Spain
We are heading to the Med in our Leopard 45....perhaps you want to meet up and spend a day or two on the newer version with the forward cockpit?
This was an awesome summery. We look forward to being with you through the transition.
Nick bought up some great points on the safety aspect of mono hulls which I totally agree with, but as you both said there are good and bad points with both vessels ....... I'm a mono hull fan........Keep Safe guys
Hey guys really interesting and open discussion on monohull vs catamaran. I’m sure this is only chapter 1 of a series! Some of the downsides to cats from my monohulistic perspective are:
1. Initial outlay is huge for a catamaran even a used one
2. Assuming you have 2 diesel saildrives that means two lots of oil changes filter changes etc etc
3. Mooring costs for those times you don’t drop anchor...just think of big numbers!
Having said that I do agree with your view that as a full-time liveaboard, the cat would appear to be a much more comfortable choice.
Thanks for vlogs - they’re always interesting & informative.
Cheers
Gerard, a monohull sailor from the Gippsland Lakes region in Vic, Australia. We have a 365 Dufour btw
Gerard Wall, where I am (West Coast Canada) a true blue water monohull locally, is close to the cost of a comparably outfitted catamaran in other countries. I am willing to pay for a few flights to find the right boat for me but, generally, you are correct that Cats are more expensive.
As for the two engines and sail drives on a cat, you don't have to do the oil changes at the same time. Most often only one engine is running at a time. Running both doesn't gain enough speed to offset the wear and tear, fuel, etc. Most people are saying about a 1/2 knot to a full knot extra speed to have the second engine running. So if you plan correctly you can run one engine until maintenance time and then run the other. If you normally service your engine every 100 hrs on a monohull, there is no difference in the amount of maintenance required. I would think that the redundancy of having a 'spare' engine at sea outweighs any 'inconvenience' of the extra 'perceived' maintenance and required storage of spares.
Mooring costs- yes! No disputing that one. Also add in haul out (marinas charge extra for using the bigger lift). Also, what about bottom paint- two slightly shallower hulls versus a deeper hull on a mono plus the keel. Maybe balance out for area to be coated? Not sure. Scrubbing the bottom? Seems like a bigger chore with two 40 foot hulls versus only one. But again, how much difference there is in actual area.
If I was out there full time sailing, it would be on a Cat. I would only come in to a marina for haul out and maintenance. The rest of the time I would hope to be out on the hook in a protected anchorage somewhere beautiful.
Cheers M8, been to your beautiful country twice! Can't wait for my next visit
Marcel D hi interesting comment. If you refer to your countryman on ‘Cruising Off Duty”’. He and his partner have done massive reviews of Cats - all sizes and believe me they cost a BOMB compared to Cats. In Oz a new 38’ mono would be $380Aust and the comparable cat would be double that plus more. I don’t hate Cats but they are an expensive alternative! No way are they the same cost, otherwise we’d all have Cats!
Marcel D Sorry Marcel just read completely through your comments. Very fair comments & maybe the discussion shouldn’t be Cat or Monohull it sail or not sail! Let’s unite in the view that sailing us fun, is generally easy and so liberating! If you ever get to Ozz, let me know! Gerard
@@gerardwall8847 , thanks. I will take that as "WHEN" I get to Oz... we'll share a froth or two!
Sail or not to sail- that IS the question. I rode motorcycles for 30 years. I waved at all of them unlike some riders of certain brands that only acknowledge riders on similar bikes. New boat, old boat, cat, trawler, if you are out on the sea we are all brothers (and sisters) and should be looking out for each other.
As for my search for boats, there are a few locally available for $189K to mid $200s for fully outfitted monohulls. There are a few comparable Cats around the globe for high $200s to $350K (after considering exchange rates). More money for sure but, if it is what I want, it will be worth the extra. Search for Gary Fretz. He is a boat broker with tons of info about buying and selling boats. One thing he mentions is to buy 'off season'. That season varies around the globe. So unless you are in a hurry, which is never advisable, shop around!
See you on the blue!
Marcel D cheers Marcel. I think our two countries at opposite ends of the globe have many things in common or at least their people do! It would be great to see you down south sometime! Cheers Gerard
I’ve also got to congratulate you both on the cat Vs monohull analysis and comparison. Very thorough, and with your personal touch. I’ve got a question, though... Have you considered a trimaran? The space of a cat, and the performance and safety of a monohull?
We haven't, no. We're going to look at the Neel trimaran at the Grande Motte boat show, but I can't see it being a serious contender. Just not our cup of tea right now.
You talk about not ever getting stuck in a terrible storm mid-ocean, and I think that's a big fear for a lot of people (myself included) when imagining a transoceanic voyage. You should consider doing a video on that topic. Seasonal planning, monitoring weather, and any contingencies that you might have for that time when you are at sea and serious weather is predicted.
!! that's a big draw for me, the weather. Obviously not to be in some mad storm. But all the planning required of the handful of variables.
a friend of mine says he would be afraid to sail an ocean, because the whole not near land thing.
That's a great idea Mark. It's actually not at all scary once you understand the world's weather systems, but I get that many people won't know much about that if they're just starting out. I highly recommend Jimmy Cornell's World Cruising Routes (it's a book), which explains this in incredible detail. But yeah, a video could be a good idea.
check out a balance 451.. they are a performance catamaran with daggerboards and they can point to 30 degrees and sail fast at 10 kts. the only down side is if you r over 6' tall the saloon clearance is tight. higher ceilings in the hulls. reverse bows and long sugar scoops make it more stable and smoother ride. its a balance between performance and comfort. Terysa is right about cats capsizing. Downwind sailing in a cat is better as you don't round up as much.
Yep, looked at Balance catamarans online, would be great if we could see one without having to fly to SA though! They do look good, but hard to tell until you're actually walking around (and sailing) one.
Yep, looked at Balance catamarans online, would be great if we could see one without having to fly to SA though! They do look good, but hard to tell until you're actually walking around (and sailing) one.
I have truly enjoyed your videos with the Wynns. Great chemistry between the four of you.
Thanks Cory
Nice to hear you guys talking yourselves into a cat... I'm with you as I get older it's about not having to bend in half to change a fuel filter. Keep on keeping on :-)
Super fun watching you with the Wynns! Following you now......understanding Nick better, even with accent. :)
It takes some adjustment! Thanks for following!!
Have you read Chris White's Cruising Multihull? Lots of good discussion about seaworthiness and survivability.
Great video guys, just as a note, I went from mono hull to cat back to mono; primarily due to the motion of the cat,( I never grew to like it) and secondly I was fed up with paying twice the mooring fees in marinas. Rob
Yeah, if we go for a cat we really are committing to cruising grounds with loads of anchorages... which we prefer anyway.
Thanks guys your doing a lot of home work for a lot of us, we will be like the wynns brand new to sailing job done 😄😄😄
Fab! That's why we want to film and show the entire process- so we can be a source of information to others. Hope you enjoy!
Hi guys, we crossed the Atlantic in Jan 18' we have a Lagoon 400 owners version. 45knt winds, 7m seas, surfed at 16knts, and Balance took it all in her stride, and I never felt unsafe or concerned, obviously we were reefed accordingly. We researched Cats for 2 years before purchasing the 400. Two of us on board most of the time, and we have masses amount of space, we are four up quite often with friends sailing with us, 6 footers, and never feel crowded. The Lagoon is heavier than the FP, and the Leopard, but that is due to quality of fittings. No deck bounce, Lagoon use the same rigging and fittings on the 400, as they do on their bigger cats. We often are hitting 8 a 10 knots , and will happily sail pointing 40-50 degrees , especially in higher winds very well. Hope this is of use. 😃 Neil & Rita, Balance 2
Thankyou Rita! We have friends with a 400 and they were kind enough to take us for a day sail. It was great! They also subsequently crossed the Atlantic and had a fantastic crossing. We too were impressed with the quality of Lagoon compared to FP and Leopard. Nothing wrong with Lagoons if you want a production cat, great interior volume and decent quality at that price point. I like the 42. We shall see. - Terysa
Wonderful vlog! We found your channel by accident and subscribed. Can’t wait to watch your adventures. Nick - love the sunglasses, brand? Type? Thanks
Hey mate, welcome. Sunglasses are Oakley frog skins. Clear frame, iridium lenses
: Very glad you had such fun on the Catamaran. Just like RV's there is not the perfect RV or boat. Trade offs always. Stay well &happy.
I really like your channel has well as the Wynn's. If you like there cat you should look at Voyage catamarans, they are very similar to Leopard and have a bit of an edge on sailing performance. I own a Voyage 440 for 14 years and will be setting out this winter for the Bahamas. Still working now in Cape Cod. Great stuff, Cheers.
Good luck with your plans mate
It was interesting to hear how professional you thought Jason and Nikki were, They actually really only learnt how to sail around the same time they bought their catamaran. Pretty mind blowing now they have traveled half way around the world on her.
Oh yeah, they're impressive. We actually meant professional in terms of their film-making though. 😉
Really enjoyed the crossover series!
1 other thing for you 2 you might not have thought of. Do all your deep water places like Patagonia for example, in a mono. Then when you go to the warmer shallow areas the cat will make your lives easier just due to draught. Great chat.
So tempted by a catamaran for the living space but we have likely settled on a monohull for our upcoming trip as a family of four (15 month Med/Caribbean loop). You touch on it but cost was a major factor in our decision, both to purchase and with regards to ongoing running costs (2x marina costs and the like). We are looking at AWBs (rather than those fancy Southerlies) and from everything I can see, you can pick up a 45-50 ft mono, one-owner and well looked after, for perhaps 60% of the cost of an equivalent age AWB 40-42 ft catamaran that probably has 5 years of chartering bashed into it. An extra 5+ ft makes it somewhat more comparable in space terms although clearly still not as nice a living space. Most importantly, saving GBP 75,000+ helps make sure we actually do this rather than just watch youtube videos of others doing it!
My friend, maybe consider just buying in the Carib. someone like Dream Yacht Charter. Save the 20k in needing all the offshore sailing gear, be in the Carib. Without the ocean crossing and voila , happy family.
My friends did just this. Purchased an ex charter beneteau 45 ( I think). 5 years old and cost $115k. The charter company fixed everything they found on survey and our friends had a massive cruising kitty.
@@sailingrubyroseWe are relatively experienced sailors but complete novice owners so we are hoping to find someones 'pride and joy' who for whatever reason are moving on. The four we are seeing in the next two weeks are either people retiring from sailing or trading to a new boat having lightly used them previously (to be confirmed!). All Beneteau models (473, 46 and 50). As to buying in Caribbean, I think we want to sail in the Med so need VAT paid (or who knows Brexit wise) and my thinking is that we can baby step the kids and ourselves up from island hopping in Greece / Croatia, to some multi-day trips to get to the Western Med, to real ocean sailing down to the Canaries, to a proper ocean crossing (probably with the ARC) late in the year. Nothing against ex-charter but what I hadn't appreciated until recently is that you need to buy the charter boats at the end of the season or they are back in the fleet for next year, so October in Europe or around now I suppose in the Caribbean. Not sure I want to sit around for 6 months waiting for the right season. As always, safe travels.
I really like how all the sailors on TH-cam are working together! These are the best videos!
Cats are like a raft sitting on the water, in a big storm you set a sea anchor and wait for it to pass. or run a drogue off the stern. they are much safer than monohulls in all situations once you get your head around the stability principles. but there are cats that sail well and can out point a mono and there are cats that are condos and don't sail well. The same can be said for monos.. Cheers Rustie.
Great video, appreciate the level headed analysis. One reason you guys are in my top three channels.
4:15 and in my inexperienced opinion, Curiosity seems to have a very different feel from even a similar-vintage charter market boat with four heads, four double cabins and two more bunks stuffed into the very bows
Love Wynn’s and Rose’s
Catamarans get dis-masted in heavy weather. Tipping over only happens in racing where extreme conditions are not caused by sea change and boats are designed to be light and get their hulls out of the water. Cats are like a barge. They sit flat and provide huge forces to accumulate on the rigging and the superstructure in heavy weather. Mono-hulls fall over and relieve the stresses on the rigging when handled correctly in high seas. Note: I am only talking about the most extreme sea conditions.
Does the dagger boards help the cats point as well as single hull?
Not quite as high as a monohull
Are you guys planing to check out a Bali (4.1 or 4.3) cat? I find that to be a nice live-aboard cat, dont know about the performance though... And they seem quite resonably priced (at least the 4.1).
Hey mate,
We probably won’t review that Bali as we know it has very few of the qualities we want for a long distance cruiser. While they are perfect for the Carib and for charter, they are not really designed for a big circumnavigation. Hope this helps,
@@sailingrubyrose In short, why do you think they are not fit for longer trips/oceancrossing?