This thing gave me a heart attack when i was trying to turn fight it in my 109 F4. Bad idea in hindsight, but you would think a divebomber isn't that maneuverable as well. And then the guy out turned me with A DAMAGED ENGINE. The only reason i won was because i dived away into a valley with my dick in between my legs and the plane eventually lost all power.
If you want something similar try the MB175t at 3.3. It's less armed & less agile, but much faster and has a whopping 20 in the rear. That's my go to sleeper plane, always good for a rebound game.
I had a Bf 109-F4 complain that he died to a fat slow dive bomber that could out-turn him. Just for shits and giggles I kept with the turn way longer than I needed to just to add salt to his wounds when I evaporated his plane at 3-400m. I love the helldivers(except in arcade, the FM is really shitty)
Yeah, I just hope everyone uses the gunpods (you really shouldn't use the gunpods on the SB2Cs). I'm way more scared of SB2Cs without gunpods than with them.
This plane is great in RB, but in sim its horrible to take off in, the engine torque always throws it to the left, and even with rudder input it will still drift to the left, ive only ever been able to take it off twice because of how bad it is.
I don't understand why people use gun pods in the SB2Cs (don't head on in this plane, you can easily just kill them by getting on their tail from out turning). They give the plane more weight and way too much drag, and you can get more than enough kills by using the 20mm cannons (which are the AN/M2s that have a slower rate of fire which in fact help to conserve your ammo). The TRUE SB2C pilot takes 8 x HVARs and uses them for Air-to-Air purposes against big bombers like the Me 264, Pe-8, BV-238 and other bombers (most bombers in general). To wrap it up, the Helldiver is a plane that most people underestimate by many levels, both in diving ability (by this I mean you can hold a 90 degree vertical dive using dive flaps, where as the enemy fighters will have to break off or rip their wings) and in the turning ability. I've out turned zeros at higher speeds with no problem. Yaks get eaten alive, and Bf 109s just cry. Don't use the gun pods, Spitflyer! Try it with HVARs and become the 4.0 F4 Phantom II!
Only in WW2 though... They have been pioneers in air combat in the early 20th century and came back during the cold war with many good planes such as the Mirages which we might start to see soon ;)
Yo when you do get the F86K, play it like a vulture. Side climb away from radar when you take off. Low level climb to at least 800 KM/H Then climb at 30 degrees to 5000 Meters or more. Then get to full speed on the way to the battle. You can swoop in and out of the battle like crazy with it. It is also the perfect counter to their contemporary vatour
The Helldiver being bad is a misconception, it was only the first model that was disliked. The problems it had were ironed out, and newer models were well-liked by the aviators that flew them.
I absolutely love the Helldiver....especially the US BR 3.3 one...in which I have more than 600 kills in air RB. Not bad for a bomber😂 Nice game there Spit 😊
I really enjoy this plane! I guess I wish the gunner was better, as I pretty much just have to ignore him. But good plane! It just dropped to 3.7 in rb too.
.50 cal irl - "it took hundreds of shots to take a single Russian plane down" .50 cal in wt - lol ez and quick kill, why did they put 1500 ammo in it if 50 shots is more than enough?" 20mm+ cannons irl - "It shredded us planes like cheese. 1 plane could take down multiple us planes with just a bunch of shots, totally ignoring any armor or angle that it hit" 20mm+ in wt - why did they put so little ammo in these things? I can't even kill a bi-plane with just 120 shots! How were Russians so successful when their weapons sparked like crazy, had no ammo and we're basically useless?!?!?! If gaijin finally made .50 and 20mm+ guns historically accurate - OMG gayjizz with their RUSSIANBIAS at it AGAIN
Idk if ya noticed but .50 cals don't rip wings off in one hit and 20mm HEFI does so.. Most my kills are in the sb2c-4 with full APIT belts they kill pilots and start fires. As far as I know the physics are realistic enough and the ammo payload is historically accurate so it works how you think it would
Reminds me of my favorite plane in the game - Japanese B7A2 Ryusei. it doesnt have that firepower advantage but its not slow, it can climb relatively well and it turns like a zero xD
I must say from my experience, that i enjoyed first firefly more. It is kinda similiar in performance, only difference being a little bit more speed and different guns.
Helldiver is finally starting to get some more attention. But Spit do a follow up and fly the American 3.3 Helldiver, it's even more fun in a way. (See if you can beat 7 kills against germans/Italians😉)
Lituraly every plane in the game can outrun and outclimb the SB2C. Even when the SB2C has a energy advantage over the BF 109 the 109 can still outstall it. And yet not a single axis player tryes to do so. The onely thing they do is try to turn with you, when they see that this doesnt work they dive(IT IS LITURALY CALLED THE HELLDIVER SO GUESS HOW THAT GOES?!) and then when you kill them they spam SO OP in the chat. Its hilarious
Outrunning is one thing, but the SB2C-4 and -5 get better engines and while you will be able to out stall the Helldiver, the Helldiver pilot (who is already going to be at least a good player) will not need more than a second to line up and kill you in the stall before he drops away (which is not for another 4 seconds). I highly recommend you not try to out stall this thing. You will regret it.
I flown the American version of this and honestly it seems like a fun plane and it turns really well when its not really slow which it's slow already enough but good guns and good turn and it can be fun
Played this plane a few times and not gonna lie it literally shred people no one can do anything as long as u surprise them but then even in dogfighting if found out it still shreds.
Dammit. I used it to grind SL. It was so easy and people didn't expect it to do good. Now however, things will change.... On the other side it's nice that a TH-camr finally noticed it. 🙂
Hey Spit, I really am a fan of soviet planes. However I do really struggle with playing them. Would it be possible for you to make a video on how to play Yaks for example the the Yak 3 (4.0)? I found many videos but most of the are not up to date and the plane has been nerve over the past few years. I would be very thankful if you could make such a video. Keep going :) Cheers!
shvaks are overperforming. FI-T has almost the same damage as minengeschoss and even higher armor penetration on the fragments all the while having 8 times less explosive filler. and the muzzle velocity is higher than real life as well. russian bias.
It plays Very different in Sim, as it has Wicked engine torque. It is Not forgiving to takeoff with. Newbs should avoid this plane in Sim until they learn how to deal with torque.
To be good at this game, you need a certain type of intelligence. Spatial awareness in a big 3D environment. Some people lack that intelligence and will never be a good fighter. Like me. Maybe I need more practise. I usually stick to Boom 'N' Zoom and bombing. He's right about the top tier vehicles. Too many people focus on them.
The match is over so it doesn't go to anything: no death, no tk, no repair. That's why you can do it. No one is affected by it at all as long as the mission is over
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo. MY DAYS ARE OVER I HAVE BEEN CAUGHT, NO MORE ACE GAMES IN MY HELL DIVER WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I eat these in my IL-2. It's this thing but the guns insta kill at any BR. Also I'm not doing the event because I got that meme P-63 premium re-skin and it's the only one i ever needed. and yes, shvaks are terrible
Well there is areason why i have a talisman on this bucket from the first day i unloc it and that was when France wad put in the game hell 3/4 of french aircraft are unlock by all mighty SB2C-2OP :-P I em glad you find this litle gemstone :-) (i did scream at you to fly it but) Take USA one in squad and turn fight zeros LOL
Yesterday i manage to get 3 air kills in one game and 4 kills next game against russians. Its hilarious fun noone expect you to play like a fighter and with gunpods is so powerfull
I don't use the gunpods on this thing, takes away from the already not to great performance. I find 2 AN/M2s with air targets to be doing plenty of enough work. Sad everyone's going to be playing it now though.
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Eveybody gangsta ‘til they die to a divebomber
*SB2U-3 would like to know your location*
2,000m above the sb2u in a spitfire
Dammit, now everyone will play it, Gaijin will see the bump in statistics and nerf it. REEEEE
I hope they won't, the 1c is my favorite plane...
Nah there's one in the American tree to drag the stats down, and this will stay in place to match
Ikr, I always head on with it and turn fight in it with air brakes
Fun thing it still slap ass til now
Helldiver gunner through all this: uhh, jeff? This is not a p 51!
Shrek Wazowski um does this mean we have to combine sully and donkey into sunkey?
This thing gave me a heart attack when i was trying to turn fight it in my 109 F4. Bad idea in hindsight, but you would think a divebomber isn't that maneuverable as well. And then the guy out turned me with A DAMAGED ENGINE. The only reason i won was because i dived away into a valley with my dick in between my legs and the plane eventually lost all power.
Hmmm could that Helldiver-pilot have been me? I remember a dogfight with a F-4 on the Tunisia map, having a damaged engine...
Me, looking at my SL after watching this video: "I'm sorry, little one."
how what?
Citia he’s gunna buy a plane
Warlikecomic 20 oh I didn’t know people still did that lol
This thing is cheap af tho.
The Helldiver is the best fighter in the French tree
Hell no there is the potes the So.8000. Narval the Vg.33
And the diabolic mb174
Yes
YES
Also the h75a-4 and the D520
It's not too bad if it has gun pods. It's basically an attacker classified as a bomber that can't retain energy but it can maneuver pretty darn well.
As an ex bv238 driver I had a severe case of ptsd while watching this.
Bf-109: I fear no plane, but that thing
It scares me
"you shouldn't go head on with *lists every German aircraft"
What about the HE111?
@@Patriotic_Brit H 16 has a forward facing 20mm which i have seen guys kill Spits and P 38s head on in it.
@@Patriotic_Brit It will leave no survivors the he 111 just happens to be one of them
Sort of surprised you didn't mention its nickname: "Son of a Bitch 2nd Class"
PT-76 or bust! I know you remember.
If you want something similar try the MB175t at 3.3. It's less armed & less agile, but much faster and has a whopping 20 in the rear. That's my go to sleeper plane, always good for a rebound game.
I had a Bf 109-F4 complain that he died to a fat slow dive bomber that could out-turn him. Just for shits and giggles I kept with the turn way longer than I needed to just to add salt to his wounds when I evaporated his plane at 3-400m. I love the helldivers(except in arcade, the FM is really shitty)
It was a hidden jem and you ruined it everyone is going to play that now
I TOTALY AGREE
Yeah, I just hope everyone uses the gunpods (you really shouldn't use the gunpods on the SB2Cs). I'm way more scared of SB2Cs without gunpods than with them.
@@MH-km8ik thats how i like to play them i just go in with bombs and drop them right away
I don't agree in the one year since you posted this comment how many times have you faced against a helldiver.
This plane is so easy to underestimate. I had to learn this the hard way lol.
Mate I outmunverd a mustang and to wyvern with this dive bomber
This plane is great in RB, but in sim its horrible to take off in, the engine torque always throws it to the left, and even with rudder input it will still drift to the left, ive only ever been able to take it off twice because of how bad it is.
Vulcan 9248 I guess you could say it dives you straight to Hell
Basically the Ju87D-5 without the gears
Gmae results show up
Spit:
*proceeds to shoot down a favorite plane*
I don't understand why people use gun pods in the SB2Cs (don't head on in this plane, you can easily just kill them by getting on their tail from out turning). They give the plane more weight and way too much drag, and you can get more than enough kills by using the 20mm cannons (which are the AN/M2s that have a slower rate of fire which in fact help to conserve your ammo). The TRUE SB2C pilot takes 8 x HVARs and uses them for Air-to-Air purposes against big bombers like the Me 264, Pe-8, BV-238 and other bombers (most bombers in general).
To wrap it up, the Helldiver is a plane that most people underestimate by many levels, both in diving ability (by this I mean you can hold a 90 degree vertical dive using dive flaps, where as the enemy fighters will have to break off or rip their wings) and in the turning ability. I've out turned zeros at higher speeds with no problem. Yaks get eaten alive, and Bf 109s just cry.
Don't use the gun pods, Spitflyer! Try it with HVARs and become the 4.0 F4 Phantom II!
Potez 631 4lyf, but the SB2 is probably second most fun for me (at least in French tree)
WANNA HEAR A JOKE???
FRENCH AVIATION
Je surrender
lmao
Only in WW2 though... They have been pioneers in air combat in the early 20th century and came back during the cold war with many good planes such as the Mirages which we might start to see soon ;)
In warthunder? Yea, IRL, nope. They did made a couple of turds in WW2, but during WW1 and post WW2 to today they had/have excellent aircrafts.
a_random_TANK_152mm exactly what I’m saying
I literally just got a talisman for the SB2C-1 in the US tree. Doesn't get the gunpods, sure, but it's still a hell of a plane.
So this is essentially the French-American Ju.87 D-5.
Yo when you do get the F86K, play it like a vulture. Side climb away from radar when you take off. Low level climb to at least 800 KM/H Then climb at 30 degrees to 5000 Meters or more. Then get to full speed on the way to the battle. You can swoop in and out of the battle like crazy with it. It is also the perfect counter to their contemporary vatour
The Helldiver being bad is a misconception, it was only the first model that was disliked. The problems it had were ironed out, and newer models were well-liked by the aviators that flew them.
I absolutely love the Helldiver....especially the US BR 3.3 one...in which I have more than 600 kills in air RB. Not bad for a bomber😂 Nice game there Spit 😊
I really enjoy this plane! I guess I wish the gunner was better, as I pretty much just have to ignore him. But good plane! It just dropped to 3.7 in rb too.
.50 cal irl - "it took hundreds of shots to take a single Russian plane down"
.50 cal in wt - lol ez and quick kill, why did they put 1500 ammo in it if 50 shots is more than enough?"
20mm+ cannons irl - "It shredded us planes like cheese. 1 plane could take down multiple us planes with just a bunch of shots, totally ignoring any armor or angle that it hit"
20mm+ in wt - why did they put so little ammo in these things? I can't even kill a bi-plane with just 120 shots! How were Russians so successful when their weapons sparked like crazy, had no ammo and we're basically useless?!?!?!
If gaijin finally made .50 and 20mm+ guns historically accurate - OMG gayjizz with their RUSSIANBIAS at it AGAIN
source?
Idk if ya noticed but .50 cals don't rip wings off in one hit and 20mm HEFI does so.. Most my kills are in the sb2c-4 with full APIT belts they kill pilots and start fires. As far as I know the physics are realistic enough and the ammo payload is historically accurate so it works how you think it would
Reminds me of my favorite plane in the game - Japanese B7A2 Ryusei. it doesnt have that firepower advantage but its not slow, it can climb relatively well and it turns like a zero xD
Welcome back to Wor Thunda
I must say from my experience, that i enjoyed first firefly more. It is kinda similiar in performance, only difference being a little bit more speed and different guns.
Can you do a video on the yak 9T? On how to be effective at fighting others
finally a video about my favourite turn fighter
Sb2c 4 i think it is the one with 2x 20mm and even can get 2 gunpods with 2 .50cals
Helldiver is finally starting to get some more attention.
But Spit do a follow up and fly the American 3.3 Helldiver, it's even more fun in a way. (See if you can beat 7 kills against germans/Italians😉)
lol i got 6 kills in that thing at 3.3
Yeah, my friend and I did like a 2v12 once (we literally killed the entire enemy team in our SB2Cs). It was glorious day.
@@MH-km8ik Yeah so long as the energy is there you can pull off some stupid stuff.
Lituraly every plane in the game can outrun and outclimb the SB2C. Even when the SB2C has a energy advantage over the BF 109 the 109 can still outstall it. And yet not a single axis player tryes to do so. The onely thing they do is try to turn with you, when they see that this doesnt work they dive(IT IS LITURALY CALLED THE HELLDIVER SO GUESS HOW THAT GOES?!) and then when you kill them they spam SO OP in the chat. Its hilarious
*Literally...and I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to be helpful
Outrunning is one thing, but the SB2C-4 and -5 get better engines and while you will be able to out stall the Helldiver, the Helldiver pilot (who is already going to be at least a good player) will not need more than a second to line up and kill you in the stall before he drops away (which is not for another 4 seconds). I highly recommend you not try to out stall this thing. You will regret it.
Is the American Helldivers great at this as well?
I flown the American version of this and honestly it seems like a fun plane and it turns really well when its not really slow which it's slow already enough but good guns and good turn and it can be fun
So basically the cooler Dauntless..?
The helldiver is awesome
Ohhh so this fucking thing was able to follow my Bf109 G6 into my zoom after booming someone else
Those cheeky SB2Cs
I love it, always great fun to fly. Quite a burden for those 264 pilots.
It is a pretty fun plane to play. Can mess a lot of planes with those guns and tanks with the bombs. Nice video spit
Played this plane a few times and not gonna lie it literally shred people no one can do anything as long as u surprise them but then even in dogfighting if found out it still shreds.
IL-10 is the head-on master.
Amen, brotha! I've loved rocking this thing. Outturns 109s EASY!!
Thanks a lot for making this video, Thanks to you I found my new favorite plane, down with the 109s!
Aaah, the SBD-3 on steroids.
Ironic for a plane called "Son of a Bitch 2nd Class".
Meh I prefer my stuka with my 2 20mm gun pods
Dammit. I used it to grind SL. It was so easy and people didn't expect it to do good. Now however, things will change.... On the other side it's nice that a TH-camr finally noticed it. 🙂
finally someone highlights this thing
Hey Spit,
I really am a fan of soviet planes. However I do really struggle with playing them. Would it be possible for you to make a video on how to play Yaks for example the the Yak 3 (4.0)? I found many videos but most of the are not up to date and the plane has been nerve over the past few years. I would be very thankful if you could make such a video. Keep going :)
Cheers!
2× ShVaK (armored targets) > 2× M2 50. Change my mind
shvaks are overperforming. FI-T has almost the same damage as minengeschoss and even higher armor penetration on the fragments all the while having 8 times less explosive filler. and the muzzle velocity is higher than real life as well. russian bias.
@@Killatomate85 mineshells weren't designed for fragmentation and the damage they did from fragments was negligible at best.
It plays Very different in Sim, as it has Wicked engine torque. It is Not forgiving to takeoff with. Newbs should avoid this plane in Sim until they learn how to deal with torque.
This was my French grinding plane, got a little sick of it, although its great with the rockets.
>Lackluster armament
>AN/M2s
Please put the crack pipe down
This video was made by the imperial Japanese Navy
Love that plane. Play it as a fighter and just have fun.
Soon we'll have the Mirage :)
Of course it'll have awful turning, a reverse afterburner and dreadful missiles. OH DID YOU HEAR THE USA ARE GETTING MORE CAS??
Where my jake paulers @
@the forest
To be good at this game, you need a certain type of intelligence. Spatial awareness in a big 3D environment. Some people lack that intelligence and will never be a good fighter.
Like me. Maybe I need more practise.
I usually stick to Boom 'N' Zoom and bombing.
He's right about the top tier vehicles.
Too many people focus on them.
re.2005 should be illegal
11:25 what a D**k move, u know he won't get any repair fee don't u.
The match is over so it doesn't go to anything: no death, no tk, no repair. That's why you can do it. No one is affected by it at all as long as the mission is over
Notification Squad?
U wot m8
Here
Notified
Yeahhhhhhhhhh boiiiiiiiiii
Here
IT GETS 4 CANNONS?!
There’s a reason this plane is the one I have the most kills in
Don't tussle with angree bive domber
Do y'all not hear the name... HELLDIVER!
I also heard not playing the attacker is illegal
try to play the 1c, it can even out turn some japanese fighters
It’s as fun as my stuart line up
Air brakes and WEP at the same time?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo. MY DAYS ARE OVER I HAVE BEEN CAUGHT, NO MORE ACE GAMES IN MY HELL DIVER WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, at the end of that fight, would you shoot down an ally ?
Game was over. It makes no difference and I do it all the time postgame
Seems a bit rude to me but.....
When are the new russian SU plane seried getting added? It feels like they have been abandoned by gaijin
I eat these in my IL-2. It's this thing but the guns insta kill at any BR.
Also I'm not doing the event because I got that meme P-63 premium re-skin and it's the only one i ever needed.
and yes, shvaks are terrible
I love this plane a bit too much...
This plane has the wrong flight model, it ruins low BR CW. Gaijin should fix it, it weights 4,5T and turns better than any 109.
to be honest I kinda hoped you guys would stay at high tier being all about that and everyone would leave the fun part (2.3-5.0) alone
Well there is areason why i have a talisman on this bucket from the first day i unloc it and that was when France wad put in the game hell 3/4 of french aircraft are unlock by all mighty SB2C-2OP :-P
I em glad you find this litle gemstone :-) (i did scream at you to fly it but)
Take USA one in squad and turn fight zeros LOL
Once i killed a Zero and a Reppuu back to back with this thing, this thing is so op plz nerf
Yo estoy cerca de obtenerlo!
Me gusta mucho, me gusta por el simple echo del parecido con el avion SBD 3 del Medal Of Honor Pacific Assault
Not as fun after the G.55 and re2001 have been added
Wait this is illegal
you mean the BaguetteDiver?
I prefer good old laser stuka
Yesterday i manage to get 3 air kills in one game and 4 kills next game against russians. Its hilarious fun noone expect you to play like a fighter and with gunpods is so powerfull
Yea, SB2C is cool lol
Son of a
Bitch
2nd
Class
Oh Boi that's disgusting
Really liked your vids. Thumbs up from me
Can I play with you
Headons?! Only for mouse aimers who couldn't be bothered beating their opponents.
WHY SPITFLYER WH ?!?!?!?! U RUINED MY GRINDER
I don't use the gunpods on this thing, takes away from the already not to great performance. I find 2 AN/M2s with air targets to be doing plenty of enough work.
Sad everyone's going to be playing it now though.
Then why are you playing it
Epic