MD80 Pilot Terrible Decision to Land in Ocean
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- Hollywood seems to make unnecessarily bad decisions when they are trying to figure out a plot to a movie. Plane, staring Gerrard Butler, is no exception
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BAHAHA "If someone put a picture of their family on the Yoke I'd be very nervous" 😂😂😂
My mind immediately went to a 9/11 situation
I think the reason Hollywood has to be ridiculously unrealistic is that if they made a realistic airliner movie, it's wouldn't be scary at all.
Not really.
Like he said. There could be a realistic way to get in this situation. This is just offensive wrong.
And that’s so funny he couldn’t finish this movie 😂
Exactly. The more realistic ones either don't have crashes or are based on specific incidents, usually in the somewhat distant past (even the 90s is a period peice at this point.) It's a good problem, tbh! And I'm glad they don't base movies like this on real crashes as I think it's a bit disrespectful, when the plane going down is just a way to set up the plot.
@@Systox25 he said there was a realistic way to get blood on the captain's face, but did not offer one that would have the plane ditched. Yes it's technically possible to do this realistically but you've got to remember issues like pacing and not confusing the audience, and not just piling on problem after problem that would take out every other option for the pilots. That would feel "convenient" and ridiculous to the audience, and far less chilling than something so simple as a storm and a bureaucratic, greedy failure to provide enough fuel. You have to make the audience feel like this could happen to them. And it's tacky AF to just use a real crash for a plot device on a movie that is actually about what happens afterwards... So, we get this.
Right!
@@stellangios A plane could develop a hydraulic leak which will result in loss of control within minutes. A plane could have a fire in an inaccessible area near some control cables, which could result in the pilots having an unknown but likely limited amount of time before the plane becomes uncontrollable. A plane could develop a fuel leak which would limit the amount of time available before it turns into a glider.
What's ironic is that having all of the displays all go dark may have been more dramatic than having most of them go dark, but would have made it impossible to maintain stable flight without view of an outside horizon, even if the pilot's controls were connected to the plane's control surfaces with functional cables and hydraulics, and further caused any statements about running off batteries to be pure guesswork.
I think what's probably going on dramatically is that if one tried to have a realistic movie plot, it would be difficult for the audience know what options would and would not be available to the crew. Setting things in a universe where the only options that are available will be those that have been covered in the exposition may lead to more effective dramatic storytelling than would otherwise be possible *for an audience that knows nothing about how airplanes really work*. I think it would be interesting to see a simulator run where the pilots had to use a tablet as the only inertial guidance instrumentation (the tablet would need to receive information from the similator about the difference between actual and simulated motion, and adjust its display accordingly). I don't think a tablet's instrumentation would be good enough to allow smooth flight, but yaw and roll rate indicators might be just enough to let pilots stay airborne.
"Okay, I'll go check on the passengers." I don't know why but that just hit me at the right moment, I was laughing for about 20 minutes.
I, for one, really appreciate the effort that Hollywood put into naming this movie. ✈🛩
so creative
Such effort wow 😂
✈️ 🛫
I haven't seen it, but got the impression its a rip off of Flight. Even the overly simplified 1 word title. Plane. The family photo on the 1st officer's yoke is a rip off from the first Top Gun - Goose.
It's like the writers, purposely wrote EVERYTHING WRONG, Not The correct terms/procedures, for WHAT? hype??? SHAME on them, outrageous!!!!!!!
as soon as I saw the first officer clip his family picture on the yoke, I had the expectation he wasn't going to survive the movie. everybody knows talking about your family or how close you are to retirement is a death sentence.
I was thinking he is going to pull a Germanwings… or MH370….
"I'm one day from retirement and my daughter's graduating the day after"
Yep. He's gonna die.
Totally agree… foreshadowing
Well, they couldn't give him a red shirt, so they had to do something else.
@@elissahunt bwahaha was just about to mention the color of his shirt. =D
The part where the pilot leaves the cockpit to check on the passengers, right heading in to a storm, while there are flight attendants there. 😅
They all fainted
He wanted to check on the pretty flight attendant and if there was any liquor left v🧐.
3:40 - THANK YOU for mentioning dispatchers and the fact that we work to keep flights safe. Our entire job revolves around routing planes around the weather instead of through it! The phone calls I get most often are, "Hey, thanks for the long route... think we could shorten it up at all?" I've started remarking flight releases to say, "Accept shortcuts and direct routings at your discretion as ATC and weather permit." But I'm not going to START with a route that goes through an area of crazy-ass weather!!!
Interesting about routing planes around storms. I used to run operations for bulk carrier ships carrying oil products across the Atlantic. What people don't realise is that big ships like big planes will go round storms not through them.
Mark, you have an AWESOME JOB. ...
@Mark Sanders Yes, your job, indeed ALL of Air Traffic Control, are much of the reason that flying is so safe.
And your jobs are often highly stressful and most of ATC is simply not paid enough for the work that they do.
Passengers seriously love dispatchers. Not kidding ground control.
@marksander768 How many flights does a dispatcher monitor on a given shift?
My dad was a freight pilot flying a DC8 towards the end of his career, used to sit through movies with him and any time there was any flying or anything going on like in this movie he'd pick it all apart instantly. Good times
Good Dad. I had one, too.
My mother is a doctor and she does the same with medical scenes. She'll laugh at how like an ekg machine is not hooked on properly. As if I care.
@@mdogzino i love to hear stuff like that, means they care about their work
No engine generators, no APU, no RAT, dead batteries, and the FO's legs are too short to reach the pedals for the emergency generator. Hmmmmm That would scare most 6 year olds.
I made the (informative) mistake of watching Top Gun with my fighter pilot Dad when it came out...
That’s honestly hilarious he got up and said let me check on the passengers mid turbalance 😂
Thinking about his family he secretly puts on his parachute.
Instead of just calling the flight attendants, leaves the FO alone in the cockpit with his creepy family photo stuck to the yoke. 😂
Knock it off, man. It's 2023. Maybe he identifies as a flight attendant. Nothing wrong with that.
@@madelaki that’s true man my bad
As an ordinary person with no aviation experience, I wouldn't have noticed a problem with a lot of the stuff you pointed out, but I'll tell you one thing... if we had just major turbulence and the pilot came strolling back to have a chat with us, I'm pretty sure all of us passengers would be screaming our heads off for him to go sit his butt back in that chair and fly the danged plane.
But, keep in mind, you're on a channel about aviation. So, it should be somewhat expected. 😁
Oh, Captain?
Yes?
So, we've hit some turbulence and you're back here with us, who's flying the plane?
Jack.
Jack?
Jack Daniels.
Ah, that explains it, I'm an extra in Flight...
Bad boy rant.
@@thebeaz1 actually, bad old fart rant joke.
Flight was a 2012 film involving a drunken pilot.
Good point!
Also- if I had just seen a bear eat an entire kilo of cocaine that had been dropped from a plane, I wouldn’t hang around to find out what the effect may be
The “hat wearing” cracked me up. My husband has been in law enforcement for 32yrs now, and when an officer acts like “a hat wearin pilot”, they call those cops “John Wayne” cops or they say “they are wearing their badge heavy” - lol . I guess you have “those types” in every profession! 😅
Human nature
The takeoff scene absolutely, positively, was shot on an Airbus A320 cockpit right down to the dials.
They probably used an A320 simulator for the scene and maybe duct taped an MD yoke on it!
I was just about to say how no one addressed an A320 with a yoke :D
same lol, and.i almost cried when I saw the exterior was an MD80 😂
The take off scene kinda pissed me off knowing their was a yoke in that cockpit at forts I assumed it was an a300 but damn
An airbus A320 classic with CRT, but with yokes instead of side sticks. Thats hilarious. It wasnt a simulator, Aribus doesnt use yokes since the 70s.
@@thekbsessions That's why they probably duck taped the yokes on for the show...
As a pilot and a film connoisseur, I can never understand why the film and script maker can't get good technical advice on how aircraft and pilots, as well as air traffic control, really work. I'm I asking too much?
Yes, we are asking too much :)
Because it would be boring. Flying should be boring because boring is safe.
the sad reality is most writers that produce Hollywood action flicks aren't the brightest. They fully suffer from Dunning-Kruger where they simply don't get how childish their understanding about ALMOST EVERYTHING is, because they often were the "creative type" back in the day who never paid any attention to life when they were supposed to be learning. I say this having run into many "adults" who clearly had almost zero idea how anything worked - meanwhile 8 year old me could have beat these adults on any knowledge or skills test - on just about ANY subject.
To circle back to your question, they're too stupid to understand how stupid they are - they don't get that people WILL notice their mistakes, so they don't even bother to minimize them. Basically the wrong people are writing this stuff... we need Kelsey writing some scripts.
Because Hollywood nowadays shuns competence. Be it knowing and adhering to source material, be it staying faithful to the events, be it keeping facts straight. The writers are actively *expected* to despise the franchize, the theme, the worldbuilding, and replace it with their own vision. Rings of Power, The Witcher, the new Star Wars, Velma, that's all stemming from the same culture. And outliers like Top Gun: Maverick, or John Wick 4, are shunned for doing what the audience desires.
I am an IT engineer and I ask myself the same thing. Every single computer on a movie beeps all the time, why?
As a passenger I'd be really concerned seeing the pilot walk around picking up random bottles while we are flying through a storm lmao.
"Joinks, You're coming with me" 😄
Get back to the f cockpit. I scan clean, I can’t fly. Move it.
Just pure BS , been a passenger for 40 years seen the pilot go the washroom once, and I was in the cockpit of a 747, and 737 pre 9/11!
@@Zzrdemon6633Walking around and picking random stuff up from the cabin, all while flying through a storm, is different from going to the bathroom.
If he was picking up a champagne bottle that big, it must a been a party plane
When my son was a baby we were on an Air Canada flight from Boston to Vancouver, and the flight crew were all friends and colleagues of my flight attendant aunt and Captain uncle’s. We sat in the cockpit, and I did notice that no one was wearing a hat…except after a few moments when my 8 month old son who loved hats, pointed at a hat, and said “hat”, and was then given the Captain’s hat to wear while we were in there 😂.
I never saw this channel until two days ago. I think it's one of the best things ever. I'm not interested in flying a plane. But through watching these video clips it's Most helpful to have a real pilot that takes the time to be a real person,a very likable person. There's a sense of trust we build by watching and listening to you. It is quite a gift and i'm pretty sure I will be a much more relaxed traveler from here on. Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing your gift..
nope, i'm a fan of aviation but I'm still a nervous flier lol i know nothing will happen but my body just reacts to the pressure change and inertia from flying lol. I'm not going to freak out just never did enjoy the feeling.
I know I'm late here, but checkout Mentour Pilot too if you haven't already, it's more technical/in-depth and is really good. They even collab sometimes.
I showed a few of your videos to my boyfriend, including the one you made a long while ago about the pilot shortage, and he has now passed his private pilot test and just has to do his check ride! He didn't realize he wanted to fly until he heard about the shortage and started looking into it and what it would be like to be a pilot. Thanks to your videos he is now chasing a dream.
Congrats keep going CFI around the corner
@@adrianotravis6833 Thank you! He's working really hard towards it and just accomplished his first night flight!
@@alybloodshade No interest in flying yourself? You could be the lovers of the air. Flying in and out of places, each taking turns, rivalry for the captains stripes. In all seriousness, it sounds like you've got a good man there who doesn't hold himself back. Just wonderful.
hope they know there is a CAPTAIN ATPL shortage in the continental USA -> there is NO shortage of low time pilots (
Everybody needs to be chasing their dream.
an MD with an airbus cockpit and an airbus cockpit with a yoke? taking off at FL400? I tried watching this movie, but as an avgeek, i was turned off by this very moment and stopped. why are they hesitant to make things realistic? its just a turn off. I LOVE YOUR WORK KELSEY
The airbus cockpit in the MD-80 was the icing on the cake 🤣
@@djrivera2219 I was laughing at this the entire movie, but then I was wondering if they were going for a Boeing 717 look (DC-9 with a Honeywell glass cockpit..).... So I backed off on that one. Though I was wondering if someone would mention that.
I saw this movie before seeing your reaction video. I got a big laugh at that complete electrical failure part too. I'm a retired aircraft mechanic, not a pilot. But I've recovered numerous flights that landed with reported lightning strikes. They usually never amount to much more than maybe weather radar system failures, a static dissipater or two...or three being damaged, or a problem with an avionics related component. Gerard Butler's character also mentioned something about "essential bus". I remembered telling my wife about how that bus handles all of the equipment that is essential to keeping the aircraft flying...just what's needed as a minimum to allow the aircraft to complete its flight. There are always transformer-rectifiers, inverters, etc. that can all mitigate effects of lightning strikes. A lightning strike usually enters at one point on the aircraft, then exits at another point. It isn't likely to impact anything that isn't in the immediate vicinity of the lightning's entry-to-exit path. Speaking of these lightning strikes, I had one such flight land where the pilots didn't even know they were struck. They just knew their weather radar failed, if I recall. It wasn't until after they landed and we found the burn mark on the radome consistent with a lightning strike that it became apparent what had actually happened.
Don't forget that most modern aircraft also have a Ram Air Turbine (RAT) that can drop down from the belly to provide emergency electrical power, in the one in 11ty-billion chance that a complete electrical system failure does occur too. Gotta love Hollywood dramatics though. lol
It's kinda wild to me that the pilots didn't notice a lightning strike hit their radome. I mean, that thing is always located at the tip of the nose, right? So right under the cockpit windows? I'm thinking that there should've been a flash so bright it'd illuminated the entire cockpit like an oversized camera flash 😅
@@mnxs Maybe that lightening bolt suffered a avionics failure and was flying dark also. 😂
with out the drama we wouldn't have any movie and can't feed the fear of flying lol
"...11ty-billion chance..."
I like that. Can I borrow it?
I'm a retired aircraft mechanic, fixing, maintaing, rebuilding, and testing F/A-18 jets for the Marine Corps, including as an instructor and an inspector. I understand full well what you are talking about in your comment.
@davidcruz8667 when and where did you work on F/A-18's? One of the guys who worked under me came from an F/A-18 unit at NASNI or MCAS Miramar or wherever it was. He switched from USMC to USAFR after he became one of the many USMC casualties of not having a secured job at the end of his USMC enlistment.
Kelsey should definitely be a film consultant for proper accuracy when he winds down his flight career.
They are hopeless!!!!
Your reaction to the “Pilot” banging his head on the overhead bin is priceless! I had to watch it twice!😂
As a GA pilot and actor, I was once called to play a 747 co-pilot (with a real 747 co-pilot called to play the pilot) for a made-for-TV movie that the BBC was making. I was excited to be able to put a little realism into the show, and we were inside an actual decommissioned 747 at one of the plane graveyards here in Arizona. When the producer said he didn't think pilots wore roper cowboy boots to fly (what I wore to set) and the other actual 747 co-pilot showed up and backed me up on that (no laces, not likely to fall off, still looked mostly like dress shoes) I thought we could really contribute to the realism that these folks might not be familiar with. Unfortunately, they had to scratch our scene due to time and had to shoot it back in the UK somehow. I got paid for the day but I never did see how they ended up doing it.
You were *that close* to being another G. Butler! Now the only drama you deal with is with flight attendants and unruly passengers... ;)
I rather share a Cockpit with T.Hanks as Sully.
I'm hoping you loved being in the best state! Arizona is awesome with the best food.
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Yeah you can only convince someone not from the US that Arizona is somehow the best state.
I wear lace up Ropers that are like an old friend to me. After 20 odd years of wear; I just re-sole them every couple of years. That said, I can’t even imagine working rudder pedals with boots on!? Don’t you need a good sense of ‘feel’ like a F1 driver on the petrol/brakes?
I’ve been slowly chipping away at my PPL for gosh … 10 yrs now… but fighting a medical DQ after my doc put me on a new Rx and failed my last physical due to that popping up on my screen. So am trying to find a work around for that now - but as dorky as I’d look I’d think I’d almost rather wear racing boots if I were allowed!! 😂
The yoke deathgrip was what really cracked me up. So many people don't know that you absolutely do not deathgrip the yoke when flying any non-military aircraft.
This reminds me of that paraglider pilot that got sucked up into a thunderstorm. She was going up at around 200km/h lost consciousness at around 6500m got spat out the storm at over 10000m, regained consciousness at around 4000m severely hypothermic, but managed to land in a field soaking wet and with a harness full of hail. She survived but another pilot got zapped with lightning and died unfortunately.
The take-off from flight level 400 certainly wasn't the only issue. They're taking off out of Singapore at 250 knots with the autopilot set for an arrival and yet somehow they're picking up the ILS for runway 4R at Boston Logan International Airport. Also, they're wanting to get to flight level 400, but if it's supposed to be an MD-80, those can't fly above flight level 370 anyway.
"Tower, Trailblazer 119 nine thousand, four hundred miles final for 4 right"
@@vbscript2 Stand by Trailblazer 119 nine thousand, still making the coffee,
And they show an A320 cockpit !!!
@@francisbenoit3432 Well, at least partially. The primary flight display, navigation display and MCP are definitely Airbus. I believe the limited views of the overhead panel, too. But the yoke?! So ridiculous.
Additionally, their indicated airspeed showed 230 knots while sitting still on the runway.
It’s pretty rare that Kelsey just ends with “I’m done with this movie.”
I thought it was pretty hilarious, on the “runway”, how quickly they got to “80” then took forever to get through the other speed markers, all while the engines were still spooling up through V1.
And he didn't even cover an aircraft pruning half the trees in a jungle, then taking off after that, zero realistic repairs and oh yeah, a few thousand round of ammunition hitting the aircraft.
Even more so when you consider that they positioned on the runway at FL400 indicating 250 kts!
@@patmx5 I always did say that it looks like a bad assed airplane, looks fast sitting still!
While I was a student pilot, I read a book called "Weather Flying." I think the first chapter was only one or two pages with three rules: 1.. Do not fly into or near thunderstorms. 2. ditto. 3. ditto.
Rule 4-There is no rule 4.
Robert Buck. A classic.
@Dave-n¹❤❤😂😂k6qz
The md-80 with A320 COCKPIT WITH A YOKE. 😂😂
Kelsey, one more thing you forgot, when the pilot left the cockpit, he never had a flight attendant take his position in case the first officer chose to lock him out and took full control of the flight deck for nefarious purposes...or with a pilot THIS bad, to SAVE everybody's life from the pilot who "stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last night".
True, I was on a 757 in 2021 in first class. When the pilots came out to use the bathroom, they put the food cart in front of the bathroom and cockpit and the pilots took turns with the flight attendant sat in the cockpit while they used the facilities.
(previous: ~~Doesn't apply at the time this movie is portraying (somehow they got that right... pure chance)~~)
I was wrong and this is a movie from this year.... Sigh...
@@brunoais how did you get that the movie is portraying before 2015? Online I couldn't find this info so far.
@@MauroPanigada I saw the wrong information. I confused "plane" with "plane!". I'll fix my message.
"in case the first officer chose to lock him out and took full control of the flight deck for nefarious purposes"...........Especially a first officer who plants a picture of his family on the yoke!🤯
The way he said “No!! NO!! NO!!” when the guy whipped out his phone! 😂😂😂
Your expression at 19:46 - brilliant and hysterical! 🤣
Never fear a lightning strike just never leave your first officer alone with your daughter - another great video Sir, thank you
The true takeaway of this video! Haha
Wait a minute here… the boy is an FO, AND a gentleman 😊😉
Why did he say that about the daughter?
Ha, ha, ha
LEON!!! HAAAAALP!!!
Having a pilot with a deep voice who delivers his lines dramatically is also *slightly* Hollywood. lol
Thanks for your good work, Kelsey.
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On my third flight ever for my PPL, we had an alternator failure toward the end of our hour-long flight on a C172. We lost all avionics, which included communications, as well as our flaps. My instructor ended up taking that particular landing, but I got to experience what a lost communication procedure was like as well as a zero-flap landing, which I know most aircraft are capable of with no problem, but it was just above my skill level at that time.
I really love Hollywood VS. Reality. Kelsey is just so awesome when he reviews these films. It's so much fun to see his reaction to the stupid things Hollywood does. He totally EXCORIATED this movie, lol! Even though I really like Gerard Butler, I think I'll skip this movie. I'm an avgeek, and all the mistakes that Kelsey mentioned would have me climbing the walls. Thanks for the review, Kelsey! You're so much fun. I have all the respect and admiration in the world for you.
Madgascar 2 was the peak of hollywood vs reality but i'd still love to see more of these so many you could do!
Saw this movie with my wife. She asked me to not let her know about everything that the movie got wrong and it was SO hard to bit my tongue as soon as I saw the MD-80 going from Singapore to Tokyo, or whatever route it was neither certified or capable of flying. 😂😂 Those old Airport movies were more technically accurate than anything we see today, and they were goofy as heck! 😂
What did she think of his remarks that pilots don't want their kids to marry pilots?
@@thomasmiller1650 They especially don't want their daughters to date pilots because pilots know what pilots are like.
The old Airplane comedy movies were more accurate than this movie.
The old movies were way more accurate, comedy and serious. I’ve never understood why Hollywood doesn’t care about accuracy, at all, like showing a picture of a 737 with a wide body interior. Fortunately, our unfortunately for my wife, I’m not a pilot, just a super big plane nerd / frequent flyer that should’ve been a pilot.
@@jeremyroberts4760 I always thought that the 'never care about reality' was called 'The American Dream' /s
Given that each engine contains two generators, it is unlikely that all busses would fail simultaneously. Even then the PCU or RAT could be activated to supply emergency, electric power. Not to mention the exhaustive design and test applied to all designs prior to FAA certification. The airframe is designed to act as a Faraday cage to shield the interior. Radoms are equipped with diverter strips, comms with spark gaps protection devices, charge dissipaters on the trailing edges, etc. Testing is performed in accordance with RTCA DO-160 Sections 22 & 23, ARP45416, various circular advisories, FAA directives, and airframer specifications. Hollywood often ignores the extensive design features built into most systems.
What rat ram ?????
@@georgen9755 Ram Air Turbine. It is a propeller driven generator used for emergencies.
I’m loving these. My mom was a pediatric neurologist and she used to this while watching medical shows. 😂
I have so much about this..... I'm a aircraft avionics tech on the Airbus A320 series aircraft, 30+ years, started on B737-200/300's. I cannot sit through a show or movie that has aircraft in it without criticizing it BIG TIME... The only one I have ever really found to be as close to reality as possible with very little discrepancy is "SULLY". Kudos to Clint Eastwood and his production crew who did a great job researching for Sully. The production crew for this movie did ZERO... Looks like all they researched / reenact other crappy airplane movies...
I love it when Kelsey is watching the clip and shaking his head... I can relate...
So far the biggest thing I notice and that I cannot stand is that the flight deck and airframe DO NOT MATCH... a MAD DOG MD-80 does NOT look like the cockpit of an Airbus A320...nowhere near it... This is either supposed to be a MD-80 due to the 3 x 2 seat config n the cabin or it's an A320 series due to the cockpit and the galley area with the Forward Attendant Panel (FAP on classic A320's, new ones are touch screen) along with the reinforced cockpit security door we had to install after 9/11...
The MD-80 service ceiling is only FL370 (37,000ft).... This plane cannot physically fly at FL400!!! Damn JT-8D's might flame out at that alt....
I heard an Altitude Alert horn go off (that's my phone app notification sound, my text notification is the A320 Autopilot disconnect warning, I know, I'm an aviation dork...)... Anyway, that's a Boeing Aural Warning... not Airbus... maybe an MD80, I'm not sure...unfamiliar with the Mad Dogs Altitude Alert...
Kelsey's take on pilots showing other pilots pictures of their daughters cuz no pilot ever wants to see their daughter dating a pilot is pretty much same same for aircraft mechanics (me) who have daughters (mine) that are flight attendants that do not want to see their daughter dating pilots...lmao
Yes... the overhead panel buttons, knobs, and switches do not budge and hurt like hell when your head comes into contact with them.....without turbulence....
The pilot getting up to tell the FA to have the passengers stay seated is to be done via the interphone system....THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE!!!!
Lightning strikes are extremely common, the whole aircraft electrical system and avionics systems getting fried due to lightning...practically unheard of...
For more explanations as to why this movie sucks for die hard (don’t get me started on that movie…lol) aviation enthusiasts, see the reply comments.
For lightning strikes, if MD80, it's a fly by cable aircraft and they would be able to maintain directional control of the aircraft. If it supposed to be an A320, you lose all power, you lose flight controls until power is restored, via the APU, RAT (Ram Air Turbine) for ship batteries for @ 25 mins of power, worse case... There are only two flight control systems on the A320 that can be cable driven manually with limited directional control, the rudder and the THS (Trimmable Horizontal Stabilizer). One other system that has cables is the Gravity Extension of the Landing Gear...
BTW, the engines won’t stop running just because you lose electrical power. There are mechanical “suction” pumps on the engines to continue feeding fuel to the engines. If this is an MD80, the engine controls are cable driven, if this is an A320, the engines are electronically controlled, but the ECU / EEC has a designated alternator on the engine gear box to provide electrical power to still control the engines…
There are standby instruments on aircraft that are separate from the main systems, old school mechanical in the MD80 or independent battery operated on the A320, so they’ll have airspeed and altitude available.
You sir are my people. I work as a nurse in a hospital so medical dramas or any medical scenes in movies drive me nuts. 99% of the time they are wrong. I'm constantly yelling at the TV. It makes my boyfriend crazy lol.
Most any profession can say that. I am a retired firefighter, and I have the best laugh riots of the evening watching any of the fire-themed shows on TV. And, of course, where would the medical profession be without uber-attractive people in clean clothes and perfect hair all the time?
Same for me watching any show where people are doing scientific research
I always loved "the bullet always has to come out", with some having utterly uncontrollable bleeding until the bullet is removed and suddenly the wound magically stops bleeding and *full* function is restored.
And the bullet is pretty much always intact, not expanded, not fragmented, went straight and usually gets extracted from its own hole...
Or, as a retired soldier, watching someone fire a machine gun and waving it in a 60 degree fast arc, magically hitting anything. Or the press branding the M4/M16/AR15 a super lethal round designed to always kill humans - it's a varmint round, designed so that soldiers could carry a lot more ammunition than the old 30-06 and .308 monster rounds and getting terminal effects beyond death ray wrong - they're actually far less predictable and nastier.
My dad was a retired American 747 captain and was always telling me about him and the pilots fighting dispatch for fuel. Dispatch wanted cargo at the expense of less fuel (this pays). Pilots wanted extra fuel for inclement weather.
I saw this in theaters and the entire time kept noticing things you might point out and kept thinking I couldn’t wait for you to hopefully do a Hollywood versus reality on It, and sure enough you did! Was not disappointed lol there was more than I thought you’d find on it. As always, another great video!
Also, I’d love to see you review the rest especially where they “refly” the plane after crash landing
Yeah I was hoping he was going to say come back for part two.
One thing I’m not to sure on is the range of this aircraft and whether it has a (I think they said) 6 hour flight
Do they take off from the ocean? I didn’t think this could get sillier, but clearly it does 😂
This has been one of the most enjoyable videos from 74Gear. Kelsey is one of those guys who doesn’t seem to easily get upset if he can help a situation but this movie seems so badly done to the point of being unfixable.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. The pilots in the movie seem to have forgotten the first one!
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As a submariner who has watched submarine movies, I feel your pain. At least for nuclear submarines, I can tell myself they messed up some details on purpose so they aren't revealing any classified techniques, procedures, etc.
Down Periscope got the audio levels in the engine room WAY off, so I guess you're right 😂
I'm a computer programmer, and I hate movies that feature computers-especially because all writers (who, ironically, probably used a computer to write the script) seem to think that ever computer is connected to every other computer in the world and is accessible from any other computer in the world.
I get annoyed at the myth so many Hollywood writers seem to believe that nuclear reactors can blow up in a nuclear explosion (e.g. K-19). Creating a nuclear explosion is one of the most difficult things mankind has ever done. It literally requires compressing a metal to a tiny fraction of its original volume. No nuclear reactor is capable of that.
@@timsmith2525 so u mean to say not everyone is expert hacker with green screen with lots of 0 and 1?
@@hiteshadhikari if you’re interested, try color 2, then dir/s in the windows cmd for hacker effect
lol I knew 74 Gear would tear apart this film.
Growing up with commercial Captains in the family (ever since I was a kid) and just listening to all their stories and knowledge about aviation... every time watching almost all movies with planes, I was like, "Could that happen?" "No." "Would that happen?" "No."
Having no personal experience myself (outside of instructional Cessna flights) I didn't pick up on all the items you called out, but I remember watching most of the plane scenes in this movie heavily rolling my eyes.
I spent 43 years as a professional aviator (1st for the Navy then for AA). I never once got forced or coerced into taking a route I didn’t want. While I admit that the vast majority of the time I agreed with the dispatcher, I NEVER, not even once, was denied extra fuel, alternate routing, gate delay, etc.
Did anyone realize that it was an A320 cockpit with a yoke?!?🤦♂️🤦♂️😂. Great video Kelsey🔥😁
"No, NO NO!" My favorite part of the entire video! I almost want to ask you to sit through the rest of the movie just to see how bad it really gets. Thank you for saying what all of us who work in this industry are screaming in our minds when we watch these movies.
Hi Kelsey, to answer your question about the pilot consultant on the movie, his name is Steve Campbell. And yes I agree with your comments about the Studio asking for a refund of his (I assume substantial) fee !! Safe travels and hope to run into you in an airport someday. 😃
Your response reminds me so much of my reaction when Unstoppable came out. I had been a locomotive engineer for many years when that film came out and the inaccuracy of the film was astounding. Let's just say we had many good laughs at work after its release.🤣
Kelsey’s frown while reviewing videos needs a Grammy. Got me cracking up😂.
Oh how I have missed Hollywood vs. Reality! Thank you for bringing it back, Kelsey! At least from what we viewed they didn't have a snowglobe scene...HAHA! Have a great week everyone!
Def need more of these!
'while the other pilot is idk, looking out the window' made me lol
...or making YT videos.
We just had that happen! We were at ACY going to Tampa the captain came on and said there is weather near Tampa and we are waiting for new flight plans. Then the pilot left the aircraft then came back with papers in hand! Then announced that they received the new flight plane and it would be a few more minutes because we were taking on more fuel! I never saw a pilot leave the aircraft after it was boarded before but because of your videos I had a good idea what was going on! Thank you Kelsey.
This is your best vlog yet.I truly laughed all the way through watching your frown face and your cringe face your laugh face and especially your NO NO NO face when the 1st officer placed his family photo on the yoke.😂😂😂😂
Brilliant.
I kept waiting for Leslie neilson to appear with a grin on his face
Honestly, I love all Hollywood vs reality episodes of yours, but this one was especially hilarious. First, I felt your pain (Even I as a random passenger knew a lot of this better than the film makers.) and secondly, your facial expressions were so funny!!! Great job, Kelsey 🎉❤🙌
I do agree. I think i made the same facial expressions 😅
Absolutely love your videos, Kelsey! Just want to tell you how much of an inspiration you are to me, sir. I've spent 202 days in the hospital due to a bone disease which has caused to get 2 hip replacements and several back surgeries before the age of 46. Every Chance I get,I motivate myself to stay as physical as possible and keep my body as healthy as possible. Your videos are an extremely good distraction from the pain I have on a daily. I appreciate you, and thank you sincerely for the quality content you share with all of us! Ya LEGEND!!
I wish you the very best recovery and I hope that the pain will go away step by step. Good luck!
I hope you will be able to regain your strength and comfort someday.
@@ekkef70 Bless you!!! Thanks a million!!
@@ndzmendoza8313 much appreciated. My bones are basically disintegrating, bit as long as Kelsey keeps cracking me up it helps immensly!!
Successful recovery to you. Keep up the physical therapy and heal well. 👍
Kelsey. You are thee best! I find ALL your videos fascinating….and love your eye-rolls and humor !! Thank you for doing these. 👏❤️
The one time I was in a plane that was struck by lightning, the thunder didn't sound like thunder. It was more like a quick loud boom at the same time as the lightning flash. We didn't stick around the source long enough to hear the rumble.
Thank you Kelsey! You now helped me determine to NOT watch this train wreck of a movie!! You saved me a ton of my time!
No, it's a PLANE wreck of a movie, it's right there in the title man!
I’m much more confident flying on planes now
I wasn’t scared, now I just scream to the other passengers about what Kelsey has taught me.
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Lol
Just keep in mind when Kelsey became a pilot, we still lived in a meritocracy, sadly that is no longer the case and I am willing to bet there is now a significant percentage of pilots who will be lost IF and WHEN the electronics fail and they are forced to 1 manually fly 2 do math 3 apply critical thinking . LOL have a nice plane flight
@@j.sarnak1391 All pilots should have to fly on a plane with only basic instruments to learn how in case of emergency
@@AHHHHHHHH21: They all do.
I am a student studying aircraft maintenance, we recently covered regulations and electrical systems, and the part about the electrical systems really rubs me the wrong way. Not only is it extremely unlikely to have all main electrical systems taken out by one lightning strike, but even if the systems were to all fail completely except for the battery, at least in Canada it is a legal requirement for an aircraft's battery to be able to supply all emergency systems (flight controls, basic instruments, and all other things required for safe flight) "for the period of time specified in the certification basis of the aircraft" or "it is recommended that 30 minutes of flying time would be appropriate" Ref. CARs 551.201 (b). So this plane with only 10mins of flight time on battery would never be allowed to leave the ground. Fantastic video, always appreciate the quality content
Great episode! So fun to watch :D
I feel like I could have almost done a better job as a non-pilot advising them of what to say just by watching these 74 Gear videos as the totality of my experience.
I’d say 99% of non-pilot aviation enthusiasts could easily do a pretty good job of making aviation scenes more realistic.
My nose turned into a double-barreled water (coffee) gun when you started saying "Nope nope nope nope! If I saw my copilot pin up a picture of their family, I would be *very* worried what they were intending on doing." because I thought the same thing, lol. That's not a pilot thing---that's a people thing! Wow, this movie though. Thanks for this! Hope you're doing well and are happy!
My thought was oh god too. Id refuse to fly with him. I wear my hat whenever the deck door is open cause I don’t always follow hair grooming standards. Also wonder why if the Engine GEN are INOP why not turn on APU?
@@idkjames I don't even think it's possible on any commercial plane for *every* system to go offline without a single backup until the plane's fully underwater or broken up into pieces, in which time it's obviously irrelevant. But hey! No one accused this movie of even vaguely resembling anything realistic. 😅👍
@@Veldrusara I mean anything I can happen I suppose. But even if someone both gens did. The APU GEN wouldn’t have been under load. But there is also the RAT. Idk lol. Like he said clearly didn’t consult a pilot. If systems did go offline like that thoughI would be thinking Fire somewhere.
I lost it when he said that no pilot wants his daughter to date a pilot.
😂 I’ve never laughed so much watching a video! You’ve got a fantastic sense of humour Kelsey, you find the really funny stuff amusing - or at any rate you find the same kind of stuff amusing that I do 😂. I’ve not seen this movie or even heard of it, but I couldn’t watch it now. This is one of the very best channels on TH-cam.
Awesome analysis of the airmanship relevant parts of the film. Thank you!
I love it! Please continue to ridicule Hollywood's seeming inability to do any research to give themselves and their movies an iota of credibility. Both my wife and I come from aviator families, and we love your videos!
Thank you for your content! I am a recovering addict and watch educational TH-cam videos to help with this. You said in one of your videos that to never give up no matter what and I think that can be said about a lot in life on the ground. I cannot explain it but your content has helped me through a lot of stress and has taught me a lot! Thank you!
Hey, do you know about Ted-talks? Just in case you need more distraction. And good for you! Im from shitty part of town and seen too many friends go thru addiction, getting sober is a struggle and then some. Youre worth it, your future is worth it. Dont give up!
Have your doctor check your vitamin D level.
Learned from YT Dr. John Campbell white people (especially, but also darker people) living in northern latitudes is often way too low. Essentially for healing, including brain. Other stuff may be needed, K3 or manganese, but D3 is vital.
Retired Librarian
P.S. My very best wishes to you Anthony. I started drinking heavily during Covid quarantine out of boredom. Damaged my liver. Luckily, our livers will heal. Abstinence, doc said. Now that Covid's lifted / lifting, there are other things to do. I still get the urge once in a while, but so far I've held out.
Keep recovering Sir, best wishes
So many kind replies. Kelsey has the best subscribers 😊
Just want to add that I admire your strength in recovery. Every day is a challenge and you are strong enough to persist!
Awesome work as always, keep it up, God bless you.♥🙏
i love you. your so correct and grate sense of humor. keep up the good work. we love watching you from the Philippines
That's why I instilled in my son who is a writer to take the extra step in getting the technical stuff right and getting the right people to advise him. I agree that most people don't see the flaws.
According to the PFD they were doing 250 knots while lining up for departure. Outstanding.
Only if that was only one nonsense on PFD and ND. Literally, everything there is showing nonsense, from FMA, to even how it looks.
Thats fast taxing
awesome video!!! more movie breakdowns please!
Ok excuse me, that Voldemort joke at the end? Chef's kiss 😂😂😂😂
Sadly, they probably had several people on set telling them how they were diverging from reality and the director/producer didn't care because it interfered with how they envisioned the film.
That's exactly the scenario on most film sets.
In any movie, story is (or should be) king and picture (what you see) is right up there too. It it serves the story and makes a more compelling frame, then yes, that dispatcher will show up on the flight deck. Spend even a single day on a film or TV set and these kind of errors, whether intentional or not, will make a lot more sense to you.
Great video (again), Kelsey! Love your stuff.
My bet is that the next flight you are piloting, you have the first officer clip a picture of their family to the yoke.....all whilst wearing their hat!
Ha ha ha 😂😂.
Best post I have seen for a while 😂👍
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is great to again hear your wisdom and see your smile sir, even when you're calling complete BS!
Thank you for giving us a glimpse into your world, and helping us to understand.
I don't know if someone already noticed and commented but when one member of the flight deck leave the cockpit typically a FA gets in. And nowadays FA gets inform that the door will be open so they can block from passengers
Here you can actually see an A320 family jet cockpit, with a Boeing yoke and tail-mounted engines. Funny combination :D
And at 15:07 you can slightly see something below the FOs EFB that could be the shiny upper side of a regular Airbus Sidestick. So maybe they have dual control in case something fails? :D
Hilariously, even my Cessna has 30 minutes of battery back up on avionics and my iPad with Foreflight more than an hour with AHRS and moving map, weather etc. If Peter Graves were the pilot and Loyd Bridges was in the tower it would have all made some sense. 😂😂
Great job Kelsey on this one!
Love this episode! Would truly enjoy to see more of these Hollywood checklist segments
Hi Kelsy, batteries for emergency lighting are autonomous from the rest of the aircraft system. Once armed, they are kept in hot standby by a relay that receives power from either L or R AC busses. When yoy lose both, the relay relaxes and connect their seperate batteries to these lights.
The cockpit has the layout of the A320, but with a b737 type yoke ( with the note clip), the DC9/MD80 yoke has a different center part) , The overhead panel has push type buttons, while DC9/MD 80 has mostly mechanical switches.
Love your channel. Regards from VTBS.
Mechanisms that require power to stay off are common in other areas as well.
For example the ballast for deep sea submarines is held by electromagnets so if it has a power failure, the ballast gets automatically dropped.
This movie probably had a technical advisor, but the way it works today is that the technical advisor has a long idea session with the writers, and then the writers either disregard 90% of what the advisor said (and cherry pick the rest) or the writers just stretch and exaggerate everything the advisor said. When I was in the military I was sent into a no win situation and a major put his career on the line to vouch for me and save my bacon. Therefore, I developed an admiration for the major. Fast forward 15 years. In that timespan I noticed that the major had been promoted to lieutenant colonel, retired, and that he had worked on a bunch of films as "technical advisor", even though these films stank because they got a bunch of things wrong. I ran into the, now lieutenant colonel, at a reunion, then basically hovered near him. I found that the Lt. Col. had become a name dropping snooty pooper with a high opinion of himself who didn't, in any way, resemble the strong and brave major I once knew. It was such a huge disappointment for me.
I sat in a talk by the former president of the American Chemical Society who gave some advisement to the writers of Breaking Bad. Before production, she unequivocally told them super pure meth could not be blue
@@animal_cookie Which is why, as an author, I am meticulous about the research I do and I will fight any editor tooth and nail to keep the researched parts intact. You should have seen me going over flight paths, schedules, airports, travel times to the middle of Switzerland, etc. Even with a private Lear, that was some real research. And my brother had been a private pilot and I had him checking some of the info.
Same when I blew up a building in book 4. I told my friends on Facebook to get bail money together because I was going to go talk to the local bomb squad about how to build bombs to do what I needed to do. A friend called me almost the moment I hit "post" and said, "What the hell are you doing?" Thankfully, he had been involved in bomb stuff in the Army and he talked me though it, with what I could put in and what to leave out. He was the expert, I followed his lead.
And, the last one I wrote, last year, I have a scene with the burial of a Marine Corps Gunnery Sargent at Arlington. I did as much research as I could, then I sent it to my other brother (the younger) who had been in Washington and had done some of the burials. He called me and told me "You have to dump this, it's Army. Over here you say...nope, that's not right either." The result was something much better than I did originally.
Obviously, the experts aren't listened to much in Hollywood (which is why I will demand all creative control if I get lucky enough to sell the books to the movie makers...).
He went Hollywood.
Hollywood has that effect on some people......
@13:50
"What are you planning to do"
Me: "She took everything 😭, now everyone here will have to pay😭😭😭"
Love your videos, Kelsey.. I was laughing out loud with this one... 🤣
Amazing. Happened to our friends flying from Amsterdam to Prague - didn't have enough fuel for weather issues so had to divert, land, fuel up, and then continue to Prague
How baldy do you have to f* up if you don’t have enough fuel to fly from Amsterdam to Prague… that‘s not even a 1 hour flight, maybe 1.5
I agree. I'm surprised you didn't mention that the pilot was sitting leaning forward in his and still trying to fly while the FO was connecting his shoulder belts. The pilot didn't have any apparent shoulder harness on and then suddenly he did and had to remove them to go in the back.
It cracked me up the way you finished this video! Embracing the meme! Man you are so good!
Please never die!
Kelsey, thank you for doing this. I giggled all the way through it. Made my morning...,70 in Hawaii 🌴🌺
Not a pilot, but a weather aficionado after living in Tornado Alley most of my life. After such, I'm well aware that Supercell thunderstorms can be boiling far above the service ceiling of a commercial aircraft. Hence, why nobody who has graduated flight school and soloed will aim to fly "above" a storm.
Do you know what else is Hollywood? The fact that there are 14 people on the plane! When is the last time you’ve gotten on a commercial flight and you aren’t packed in like sardines? Maybe it’s just me.
This was a great post! Love your facial expressions and thanks for making me lol!
Once years ago I flew on a night flight from Cleveland to Milwaukee that had close to that number of passengers. I'm sure the only reason that flight was flown was because the aircraft and crew were needed in Milwaukee for flights the next day.
Twice I have seen so few passengers on my airplane. Right after 9/11 and during Covid.
Loved this video Kelsey. Your facial expressions while watching the Hollywood nonsense were awesome. Please keep making videos. Always look forward to seeing your content. You rock!
“This is the one part that never gets old.”
[lines up with taxiway]
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Geez, Kelsey, Hollywood could have called one of us too! We have all learned enough from your videos to know this was going to be a crazy movie! When he suggested to go above the storm🤨 and then when the Pilot got up and went to the back! I was like 😳WHAT? The storm isn’t these peoples biggest problem….(it’s the writers! Lol)
Thanks for the great video! ❤
“It’s not something pilots would do…. If they wanna live” 🤣 Thank you for the intense laughs through this video… 😂
Cheers Kelsey! I’m a B737 Max Captain and I find your videos very entertaining! Keep it up!
The best part of this video is watching Kelsey's facial reactions.