I hope Scan wins it all. It was between him Bishop and Dewalt for who I wanted to win. All these competitors are great though. This has been a lot of fun to watch. Thanks for posting and commentating Artosis. I learn a lot from you.
I'm surprised how rare magic erasers are at high-level play. I'm glad to see them used to high effect here, but maybe they're just too risky for expensive Science Vessels to do. After all, if you just get scourged, plagued, Hydra'd or Mutalisked, you pretty much lose two vessels for free. Glad to see them effective in the 2nd game on this video.
Hello arty, you mentioned recently that sc developement was rushed. Do you know what Kind of changes Blizzard would have made, except for pulsating Evolution chambers when upgrading ? Maybe someone could make a "starcraft finished" mod with this knowledge.
Back in 2017 I made a mod that added work animations to all structures, it's not that difficult to do and it helped players understand the stakes of a fight a lot better.
@20:30 why don't they ever irradiate their valkyries and force the dark-swarm/defilers/etc., to run and reposition somewhere other than the dark swarm cloud, else 2-3 of them will die, instead of irradiating ONE thing? Zerg has ZERO Anti-Air at this point.
I'm seeing you mentioned on uthermal's channel. You're the only two TH-cam channels i watch about sc. I want your commentary on how he is playing the new mod with bw units.
@@alexfriedman2152 I almost always get it, but these “pro” players count every resource as seconds lost off their timing, so I do understand. It does help me to think differently watching these. Like for them 100/100 is a +1 attack or armor or fielding another unit. And for them they frequently win or lose based on single engagements, so they count every resource as an opportunity cost.
@@ghost-user559 But when you know in the late game it's almost certainly gonna happen it's worth the 100/100 to save the drones. I mean if it was like 200/200 I would understand but it's so cheap.
@@alexfriedman2152 I totally agree, but I think they micro so much, they have to “trust the plan”. I think they get locked into a play and rarely deviate once they make a decision, especially with so many moving pieces in play. It’s just not something a lot of them want to manage in addition to everything else. Think about it, when you can’t micro a burrowed unit can’t engage automatically. I think at the pace they play at they rely on having unit instantly engage and automate a lot of that with rally points/patrols. They do so many micro plays I think they overlook the value of a more slow paced strategy.
Name suggestion for this Zerg build: "the Grinder", cause "hydra-lurker-defiler" is a little bland and also a mouthful. Because basically it grinds down your opponent's units and resources
That mod isn't really that good. All the Brood War spells are their SC2 campaign versions so they are incredibly nerfed, like a 5 sec Lockdown or Dark Swarm being a tiny 2x2 patch with less duration as well. It puts BW armies at even more of a disadvantage already having to deal with way more composition styles than they were designed for
@@junioraltamontent.7582 Yeah. Well it's good for BW vs BW but not BW vs SC2. They added sooo many abilities and units in SC2 LOTV it's crazy playing such a limited game play in BW.
Zerg was never in it. There's a gap in skill level. The closest zerg got was with the muta harass, and once valks came out it was neutralized due to good valk and marine control and bad scourge control.
wut? That was pretty close. IF he didn't lose drones like 4 times he would be in a better spot. He actually played a lot better than the Terran if you judge by army movements and micro.
Zerg units are the weakest in the game. They can adjust the fastest, but they don’t have any ability to handle an all out assault if they are in the middle of pivoting.
Spoilers! The zerg not setting down at least 1 Sunken and 1 Spore turret to deal with things like drops or 'erasers' ... 2 drones and what 300 minerals each base tops to save 2000k+($, attention, braincells, stress) is peak ego flex greed. Glad to see the punishment dished out.
It’s a mind game. Just like Scan wasn’t expecting continuous zerglings so he didn’t block the ramp, Yoon was also not expecting heavy Vessels against Hydra Lurker Defiler, so he produced more Lurkers than necessary, and certainly not mentally prepared to deal with a heavy vessel game where erasers are a legitimate and repeating threat. Pro players ain’t gods, they have exceptional instinct on how games are MOST LIKELY to play out so they optimize their mental energy on a massive level so their games look impossibly smooth and smart, but if the game diverged, you can tell players are scrambling and making simple mistakes because their brains are still slowly transitioning to the reality from what they mentally prepared for.
It's a tradeoff. The time and effort to repair is sometimes not worth it. Plague for example...your vessels are just gonna get plagued again so repairing really doesn't make sense unless you have restoration which is insanely hard to use on top of microing the vessels. Early on against mutas though the valks on the other hand should always be repaired. A softened up valk dies to one scourge, you want to force zerg to spend more on scourge since those can't hit the marines.
Dude, these games are good but... Zerg feels so cheap. Scan's doing all this micro, all this hard work, only for 1 defiler to roll up and go "lol all your units are 1 hp." or "lol, all my units are invulnerable now, your only counter-play is to retreat." It's so cheap... Dark Swarm should be a 50% miss chance, not a 100% miss chance. BLAAAAAAAAAH...
Nah no way. Microing Hydra lurker defiler is one of the hardest things in the game to do, while SK Terran is like 10X easier. Zerg actually out played Terran but Irradiate killed like 50 drones.
really dislike how korean pros just refuse to build spore and sunken. It's always hyper-optimized for a specific play and they always end up being punished in the worst way possible. sad!
Yeah I don't see it pay off that well either, zerg really gets punished a lot by DTs and vessels as a result. It's kind of like when terrans refuse to make the bunker, we've even see that crop up.
One of the big meta shifts Terran has made is building a bunch of bunkers at their expansions. It used to be just a group of Marines with a medic standing at the ramp. I don't know why more zergs don't use spores. They are so good against plagued vessels and zergs rarely struggle with mineral income when erasers and vessels moving in to irradiate become an issue.
Idk about all that. Protoss does Make cannons everywhere and Terran makes Turrets, (not really bunkers unless vs late game Zerg). Zerg though doesn't have the econ to make spores and sunkens like Toss and Terran. I see a lot of games where they add a spore at the front, and it just tickles the vessels and they still get the irradiate off. It's not really worth it tbh. At low level like D rank it makes sense to add a spore at each base for anti DT or anti science vessel something but not B rank + because it's just so mathematical and optimized.
Notice how a single Zergling under dark swarm holds back 14 marines and 4 medics? Believe me, everyone, including Zerg players know.... Notice how a single plague takes 8 science vessels totaling 1600 hit points (cost: 800 min, 1800gas) down to literally 8 shot kill for a single hydra? Believe me, everyone, INCLUDING ZERG PLAYERS know... Notice how before Terran gets vessels, needs 3 comsat stations to scan for lurkers on hold position on the way to the zerg base? Etc.
This has been an absolutely nutty series so far. I love it.
12:49
Medics in the mineral line. I'd like to see more of that.
Scan is doing everything that we viewers hope the players can have the extra APM to do
20:16 you can just hear it in his voice without it being said: "invincible lurkers on the map".
I like Scan, he is a chill and skilled player and Yoon got very lucky to pull off such a move with a run by into run back into flybugs
I hope Scan wins it all. It was between him Bishop and Dewalt for who I wanted to win. All these competitors are great though. This has been a lot of fun to watch. Thanks for posting and commentating Artosis. I learn a lot from you.
21:32 medic killed by her friends :
Didn't even notice that lol poor medic
how toxique
she was cheating on her boyfriend
@@nandinoo REDf4gALERT
@@nandinoo ShariaCraft.
19:48 There's a notification sound in the original recording.
absolutely bonkers series! also these matches teach so much
What a wild 3rd game
Eraser foiling the scourge is some black magic.
It has been a wild series. I am very happy with how these matchups are going. Neither have been totally one sided. Great entertainment value
I'm surprised how rare magic erasers are at high-level play. I'm glad to see them used to high effect here, but maybe they're just too risky for expensive Science Vessels to do. After all, if you just get scourged, plagued, Hydra'd or Mutalisked, you pretty much lose two vessels for free.
Glad to see them effective in the 2nd game on this video.
Love the casts - I look forward to them!
Hello arty, you mentioned recently that sc developement was rushed. Do you know what Kind of changes Blizzard would have made, except for pulsating Evolution chambers when upgrading ? Maybe someone could make a "starcraft finished" mod with this knowledge.
Back in 2017 I made a mod that added work animations to all structures, it's not that difficult to do and it helped players understand the stakes of a fight a lot better.
Wow thats cool, can the mod be downloaded anywhere ?
I disenjoy this new concept of foretelling (spoiling) the most clutch play of the vid
*Tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu intensifies*
Happy to see good ol SC, even with commentary!!
Hey Artosis love your casts been watching all your videos! Keep it up! :D
Can someone link the Mihu game that Arty referenced towards the end?
What are the neutral lurker eggs for?
@20:30 why don't they ever irradiate their valkyries and force the dark-swarm/defilers/etc., to run and reposition somewhere other than the dark swarm cloud, else 2-3 of them will die, instead of irradiating ONE thing? Zerg has ZERO Anti-Air at this point.
I'm seeing you mentioned on uthermal's channel. You're the only two TH-cam channels i watch about sc. I want your commentary on how he is playing the new mod with bw units.
You have been ERASED! -Scan 2024 referencing a movie from 1996
Zerg really needed some spores after that first eraser hit him. Even one spore at each base helps so much against that kind of stuff.
Arty should start every single zerg vs terran/protoss with an explanation of Dark Swarm mechanics.
Orange cloud ftw
Why Doesn't Zerg ever get Burrow late into the game? When Vessels are out it seems worth it to get Burrow to hide drones if they eraser.
Burrow is a great early game strategy. But once everyone gets mobile detectors it’s a waste of resources.
@@ghost-user559 It's like 100/100 not a big investment. If it saves even 1 eraser and you save a few drones it's worth it.
@@alexfriedman2152 I almost always get it, but these “pro” players count every resource as seconds lost off their timing, so I do understand. It does help me to think differently watching these. Like for them 100/100 is a +1 attack or armor or fielding another unit. And for them they frequently win or lose based on single engagements, so they count every resource as an opportunity cost.
@@ghost-user559 But when you know in the late game it's almost certainly gonna happen it's worth the 100/100 to save the drones. I mean if it was like 200/200 I would understand but it's so cheap.
@@alexfriedman2152 I totally agree, but I think they micro so much, they have to “trust the plan”. I think they get locked into a play and rarely deviate once they make a decision, especially with so many moving pieces in play. It’s just not something a lot of them want to manage in addition to everything else. Think about it, when you can’t micro a burrowed unit can’t engage automatically. I think at the pace they play at they rely on having unit instantly engage and automate a lot of that with rally points/patrols. They do so many micro plays I think they overlook the value of a more slow paced strategy.
I know what "tempo" means I'm chess, what does it mean in BW?
Let's go Scan!! Thanks for the cast Artosis!!
I always wondered why terran don't eraser more like this, WP
Artosis explained in one of his videos, Terran players always WANT to do this if they can, but it’s hard in games.
apparently eraser can't hit burrowed units, but yeah this seems strong.
This genius, critical, high IQ maneuver 4:28. That's is a reason i love a zerg
Name suggestion for this Zerg build: "the Grinder", cause "hydra-lurker-defiler" is a little bland and also a mouthful. Because basically it grinds down your opponent's units and resources
Scan the Man
More KCL when?
arty no sc1 vs sc2 games? are you feeling sadge? :(
That mod isn't really that good. All the Brood War spells are their SC2 campaign versions so they are incredibly nerfed, like a 5 sec Lockdown or Dark Swarm being a tiny 2x2 patch with less duration as well. It puts BW armies at even more of a disadvantage already having to deal with way more composition styles than they were designed for
@@junioraltamontent.7582 Yeah. Well it's good for BW vs BW but not BW vs SC2. They added sooo many abilities and units in SC2 LOTV it's crazy playing such a limited game play in BW.
He is casting SC: Evo Complete on the second casting chanel (ArtosisCasts2) and playing the mod himself on ArtosisTV
SCAN IS THE MAN
great series.
Crazy how zeg can fight with 50-100 supplies less for such a long time.
Turns out ignoring defense upgrades and complete and total damage immunity are pretty good, I guess.
Cause Hydra cost 1 supply, and Zergling cost 0.5 supply, and Ultra is 4 supply.
Zerg supply is Hella deceiving.
Macro hatches let you pump out supply
Excellent game design isn’t it
If Zerg couldn’t hold on with their lower supply units, they’d lose 100% of games to Terran
I think it is intentional that burrowed zerg are hard to see on Ashworld.
Looks accidental to me, but care to elaborate?
@@lashs5311 Ashworlds are their homeworld Zerus and Capital Char.
Artosis is a very smart man .
26:58 "Holy SHIT" xD
Zerg was never in it. There's a gap in skill level. The closest zerg got was with the muta harass, and once valks came out it was neutralized due to good valk and marine control and bad scourge control.
wut? That was pretty close. IF he didn't lose drones like 4 times he would be in a better spot. He actually played a lot better than the Terran if you judge by army movements and micro.
Zerg units are the weakest in the game. They can adjust the fastest, but they don’t have any ability to handle an all out assault if they are in the middle of pivoting.
FRONT FACING BABY CHICK FRONT FACING BABY CHICK
MARIO SEIZES TOAD AND CANNOT CONTAIN HIS ERROUSAL ANYLONGER AND PROCEEDS TO STICK THE TOP OF TOAD'S HEAD IN..
Amazing Bio-vessel almost no mech late game against Zerg
Scan!!❤
First one was fun to watch
Spoilers!
The zerg not setting down at least 1 Sunken and 1 Spore turret to deal with things like drops or 'erasers' ... 2 drones and what 300 minerals each base tops to save 2000k+($, attention, braincells, stress) is peak ego flex greed. Glad to see the punishment dished out.
It’s a mind game. Just like Scan wasn’t expecting continuous zerglings so he didn’t block the ramp, Yoon was also not expecting heavy Vessels against Hydra Lurker Defiler, so he produced more Lurkers than necessary, and certainly not mentally prepared to deal with a heavy vessel game where erasers are a legitimate and repeating threat. Pro players ain’t gods, they have exceptional instinct on how games are MOST LIKELY to play out so they optimize their mental energy on a massive level so their games look impossibly smooth and smart, but if the game diverged, you can tell players are scrambling and making simple mistakes because their brains are still slowly transitioning to the reality from what they mentally prepared for.
hmmm alot to take in. Mostly, speedlings, muta, and lurkers dgaf about turrets or bunkers lol.
LETS GO SCAN 🔎🧹 !!!!!
The BO(body odor) tactics are real lol
ggs
Spoiler blocker
It absolutely drives me crazy that Terrans refuse to repair their vessels and valks.
It's a tradeoff. The time and effort to repair is sometimes not worth it. Plague for example...your vessels are just gonna get plagued again so repairing really doesn't make sense unless you have restoration which is insanely hard to use on top of microing the vessels. Early on against mutas though the valks on the other hand should always be repaired. A softened up valk dies to one scourge, you want to force zerg to spend more on scourge since those can't hit the marines.
gg
Defiler is the most broken unit I’ve seen in any RTS game it’s just crazy
Dude, these games are good but... Zerg feels so cheap.
Scan's doing all this micro, all this hard work, only for 1 defiler to roll up and go "lol all your units are 1 hp." or "lol, all my units are invulnerable now, your only counter-play is to retreat." It's so cheap...
Dark Swarm should be a 50% miss chance, not a 100% miss chance. BLAAAAAAAAAH...
Nah no way. Microing Hydra lurker defiler is one of the hardest things in the game to do, while SK Terran is like 10X easier. Zerg actually out played Terran but Irradiate killed like 50 drones.
Giga macro from Scan.
really dislike how korean pros just refuse to build spore and sunken. It's always hyper-optimized for a specific play and they always end up being punished in the worst way possible. sad!
This this this, bunkers, cannons and spores and sunkens past 9minute pros just yeet the existence of these out into another dimension!!!
Yeah I don't see it pay off that well either, zerg really gets punished a lot by DTs and vessels as a result. It's kind of like when terrans refuse to make the bunker, we've even see that crop up.
One of the big meta shifts Terran has made is building a bunch of bunkers at their expansions. It used to be just a group of Marines with a medic standing at the ramp.
I don't know why more zergs don't use spores. They are so good against plagued vessels and zergs rarely struggle with mineral income when erasers and vessels moving in to irradiate become an issue.
Idk about all that. Protoss does Make cannons everywhere and Terran makes Turrets, (not really bunkers unless vs late game Zerg). Zerg though doesn't have the econ to make spores and sunkens like Toss and Terran. I see a lot of games where they add a spore at the front, and it just tickles the vessels and they still get the irradiate off. It's not really worth it tbh. At low level like D rank it makes sense to add a spore at each base for anti DT or anti science vessel something but not B rank + because it's just so mathematical and optimized.
can't believe he managed to lose that first game hahaha
Don't put spoilers in videos titles please
turns out vessel good unit
how much u take for a game? u nOooB.. ( i know u win )
10 or 20? ..i know win, but for fun
Gay run by
geez... that terran was terrable
Notice how a single Zergling under dark swarm holds back 14 marines and 4 medics? Believe me, everyone, including Zerg players know....
Notice how a single plague takes 8 science vessels totaling 1600 hit points (cost: 800 min, 1800gas) down to literally 8 shot kill for a single hydra? Believe me, everyone, INCLUDING ZERG PLAYERS know...
Notice how before Terran gets vessels, needs 3 comsat stations to scan for lurkers on hold position on the way to the zerg base?
Etc.
First