I love when he has multiple "stations" set up in the set, and the ensuing awkwardness when he moves on to the next station leaving the salesman just standing there.
I usually like to play a game when this happens. I've found there are usually three possible outcomes. 1. The guest leaves their chair and exits the frame without us seeing. I like to call this the "ghost maneuver" 2. The guest leaves while the camera is on Mr. Cheifet, allowing us to see them leave. This is the least professional of the bunch. I'd imagine it happens because the guest is nervous. No harm, no foul. 3. This one is my favorite. The first guest stays seated through the entirety of the second interview. The building tension wondering "are they going to just sit there the entire time....?" is usually all I can focus on in these situations. Usually if they're there by the 2nd cut back to Mr. Cheifet, they're in it for the long haul.
@@remghoost Lol, it would be great if the first guest randomly turned around and was like "Oh, Mr. Cheifet, sorry to interrupt, but there's one feature of our product that might be of interest here...."
I love those who pretend that the interview was just a short distraction and they resume working on something "important" in the background as they get out of focus.
Back then it really was plug and pray because the windows drivers for it were very unstable. It would just die by itself if you were lucky enough to get it working in the first place. haha
@@vernonsmith6176 i just say remember using BBC computers at school, that was when the school only had 3 to 4 computers. All were on a red wheeled computer desk. By the time i was 9 we got a couple of newer systems, that ran windows 3.1, and some one decide to turn the monitor to very dark. Which had the school teachers baffled for a few days, they even got some one out to have a look. Holly hell let loose over that one. Due to the school getting just them in.
HYPER! DSG *critique. Man you really don't know shit do you? But hey, go on and try to force people to think you are smart with lies like "I have written papers for blah blah..." when clearly you have no grasp of the English language, and If you wrote a peer reviewed paper, I'm Mary Poppins... We clear? Good, you may fuck off now. I do not care for morons.
HYPER! DSG You have no desire to learn, my good sir, you have a desire to troll, make no mistake. You want an honest reply, with no name calling? Here we go. My original post had no reference to your name in it. You where the one who assumed that it was a reply to your comment and decided to start picking apart every single syllable of it so that you could refute it. (Using facts, I might add, facts which may not pertain to the actual content of my own comment, but nonetheless, I have to praise you for knowing at least something about something). I don't really know why you decided to do that, and my promise to not be offensive precludes me from speculating, so I will not. So, when I decide that you are obviously trying to start, whatever you where trying to start there, and call you out on your, whatever that was, you decide to dig your hole a little further and try to tell me that you have written papers on some such, which i see you have handily deleted, because they where probably bald faced lies (sorry, speculation, stopping) and then, when I tell you that basically I think you are trolling, and really hammer home the point that I do not suffer trolls and will just needlessly fuck with them (because they seriously hate that and cannot handle it), your reply is to act like the sheep in the whole thing, delete any reference to any "writing papers" garbage, replacing it with a heartfelt have a nice life comment, to try to, what, look like the good guy here? I really don't care what I look like on some backwater youboob comment, who the hell will ever read this, besides you and me anyway? Do you think that by now the OP has not muted his own comment because of this whole thing? Trust me, I have been quietly chuckling to myself for days now every time you have replied to me and I have been able to have a little fun with you, so I really don't care what kind of face you are trying to put on today, tomorrow or the next day, I think this conversation has kind of reached an end with that last comment of yours being just about unintelligible, from a grammar and sentence structure point of view, that I now think that you might have English as a second language, so I am just going to leave this little detour here to fester in some server at Google's farm, where it shall be stored for generations so that your children can witness this glorious achievement, when... wait, I'm slipping into sarcasm, I'm a little tipsy and tired from a hard day's work, forgive me. Ok, I think that, either way, I have made my point by now, if you even still reading. I don't mind typing a while for you. You are welcome. Have a nice life yourself! I hope that you can find something better than a computer to keep you company some day. Namaste.
worlds going that way now sadly, those days where we would drop another upgrade in is becoming a thing of the past, and i recon the PC will go that way at some point too. Just chuck it and buy a new one.
This is a pretty dated way at looking at Macs. Most of them are upgradeable - some more than others. But other than RAM (which few people upgrade these days unless you REALLY cheaped out on RAM to begin with), what would you really need to upgrade? It's not like people do this on PCs or phones or tablets; the only people who do it semi-regularly are PC gamers, and that's an incredibly niche category that Apple doesn't care about. Calling out Apple in this regard is disingenious.
@@BlownMacTruck How are they upgradable? With the transition to apple silicon, the storage, ram, GPU, CPU, and security chip are all built into a single module, tied together with ids that require reflash if you want to replace them, and can only be replaced if you happen to have a station capable of reballing them. On top of that, the screens have also started being tied to the motherboard, meaning you cant replace or upgrade that either. I genuinely, other than software, cant think of how a modern mac can be upgraded, and I own a M1 macbook air and am an apple user. Maybe you can call the Mac Pro upgradable since it has PCIE ports, but even then they dont support graphics cards.
@@nabagaca You have what is basically an external pcie bus with Thunderbolt. Add as much storage as you want. Want iops? Get an nvme DAS array. Want bulk? Get petabytes of nl storage. And I laugh at your cpu / ram upgrading. No one does that anymore, not even on the PC side (and this is coming from someone who builds gaming PCs). Size accordingly when you purchase.
More than that. A lot of motherboard manufacturers would place more slots than the bus could ever handle. The mouse interface is what really made it evident. The cursor would pause.
2:05 I used that exact CD/SB16 upgrade kit back in the day on the family Compaq Prolinea 425/S we had at the time. The drive was a 2x if im not mistaken.
@@raven4k998 Mine didn't but I was a little lucky. It was a Circuit City sale PC and was used as a store demo unit :) Unlucky in that it had a password to boot it lol and I had to call back and have them find it.
I remember sometimes even when I had made sure every card had its own unique IRQ and base memory addresses, it still would not work. I would spend countless hours changing all the settings on each card and in the OS repeatedly until finally I figured out that one card would only work with a certain IRQ (even though it had other possible settings available on its DIP switches or jumpers). Very frustrating.
@@jeffyp2483 Huh? First, your profile picture is a Commodore logo. Commodore was never owned by Microsoft. I guess it is possible that one can be both a Commodore fan and a Microsoft fanboy. But back in the day, Microsoft and Commodore were rivals. Second, what you stated was not the case for me. The cards I had did not "require a tsr to set that up". If you had cards that did that and worked fine with Windows 95, then great! That just was not the case with me.
@@georgeh6856 some cards used software to set dma, irq, etc if yours werent thats great and not surprising to me. microsoft authored the basic in commodore computers. some of the last computers to wear a commodore badge were x86 based. im not a microsoft fanboy, but i have used their oses starting with msdos. i am (slowly) moving away from windows + linux based oses part time to linux full time. windows has gotten worse over the years. i think it was best between 95 and xp (inclusive) but win3.x has a nostalgic quality the others cant.* *for me, in case anyone has difficulty.
@@longlivebytor Plug and play still uses IRQs. It just assigns them programmatically. With that kind of thinking, you should be sending your messages via telegraph, not TH-cam.
I remember the very next day after my wife got me my first PC I installed a Sound Blaster 16 sound card. I was nervous but I read the manual completely and I took off the case cover, shoved in the card, Connected my speakers, and installed the drivers. Took me 20 min because I was taking it slow. No problem. Was the beginning of my decades long upgrades.
yeah and this was before the only bloatware on your computer was windows it self back then they bloated it up with useless shit to slow it down for you right off the bat those where the days I remember them well
Nowadays most if not all DIY motherboards have AMI UEFI BIOS, Phoenix mostly does server and IoT stuff now, and then you have InsydeH2O UEFI BIOS in many laptops and prebuild PCs.
I remember when I was a kid and using Windows 95. Plug and play was improved on Windows 98SE greatly. Windows 95 PnP was a nightmare, or it would work the first time; hit or miss.
how things have changed since those days my friend, Now windows 10 goes out into the world and finds the drivers for you. When you think about it, windows 95 must be like MSDOS to windows 10, and windows XP would like windows 3.11 todays standards.
Even without plug and play, it doesn't take me days to get everything working. It's more complicated but it takes me a few hours at most to figure everything out. And when using software that tells me all the resources that are in use, it goes even faster. I don't know how it takes a supposed expert days to figure it out.
now the way things are going with PCs you can practically have a system up and running with in an hour. All of it is practically on the motherboard now. Just pre the full lot on the board, and if you have a spare PSU and a switch you could even install the OS, before you put the board in the case!
Plug and Play is the best feature to connecting hardware and software to work together without the drudgery of building components, even without computer engineering knowledge.
IR data transfer was extremely slow and it didn’t take much to cause a print job or data transfer to fail. Block the IR connection (or turn off the sending device too soon) and bang, print job corrupted! Also one thing I’ve noticed watching these shows is that Stewart Cheifet liked to keep things moving quickly, so there was no way that guy was getting his press release printed on TV anyway!
and even if you did have access to compuserve or usenet or whatever, you likely only had one device that could access it, which is the one you where working on.
It was not a fun process. This is why when I see various retro computing channels trying to do what I had plenty of days doing before I just shake my head and move on. Had plenty of my fill and zero desire. I'll use my modern devices happily.
Kinda hate how Stewart and the guest act like before PnP it was the dark ages of computers. I mean ya PnP is amazing especially at that time. But I got my first PC in 1994 and had no idea about how to do anything . Yet the next day I installed a SB 16 sound card and was up and running in 15 minutes. It was simply read the manual, check the jumpers, install the card, then install the drivers and reboot. Tada. They make it sound like some amazing unknown task.
In 1994 the capacity of a 650 Mbyte CD ROM disks was incredible in comparison to the capacity of a hard disk which was hardly one gigabyte. From the 1.44Mb of floppy disks user move to the 100 MB of Zip disk and the 650 Mbyte or 700 Mbyte of CD ROMs. I remember well that period. CD ROM changed everything and were the main reason before internet for many people to buy a computers. Sound cards existed long before CD ROM but weren't very popular or cheap.
@@McVaio Eh, CD-Burners and media weren't anywhere as cheap as they are these days in the mid 90's and were orders of magnitude slower at accessing data than hard-drives.
@@yellowblanka6058 People want to look back with rose colored glasses and forget that CDRs and CDRWs were a whopping 1-4x speed back then, not the 48x standard they are now lol.
ACCESS.Bus was a totally separate standard by DEC and Philips that only supported really slow devices like keyboards and mice and predated USB by like 2 years. It was a total failure in the market and is completely unrelated to USB.
Not quite, @vitajazz "An industry group, the ACCESS.bus Industry Group, or ABIG, was created in 1993 to control the development of the standard. There were 29 voting members of the group, including Microsoft. By this point DEC had introduced A.b on some of their workstations and a number of peripherals had been introduced by a variety of companies. Development of USB began the next year, in 1994, and the consortium included a number of the members of the A.b group, notably DEC and Microsoft. Interest in A.b waned, leaving Philips as the primary supporter."
The worst part of my early computer days was fiddling around with jumpers on my motherboard or new hardware to make it work. Then might have to mess with the irq til something worked lol. Even then I'd boot up and then a pop up would say I'm missing a file or DLL before I could use it. All this when I was 8 years old 😐
the 90s was the best time for computer technicians. Back when you actually rely on a computer tech to maintain your. I bet the avid computer gamer now who knows how to build a water cooled cpu and gpu does not know what parts were going into 7:06. Its really important to understand these fundamentals for future computer technicians. These days, From a business standpoint, Most of these hardware stuff are worked on by manufacturers like Dell, Lenovo, HP and Compaq (thats a joke). The technicians of today are needed for software and application support. Cloud storage and local storage support. Days are gone when you have to go onsite and check the motherboard lol
If I could hazard a guess - the first card looks like a modem, the second looks like a SCSI/parallel port controller thing, and the third might be a soundcard. But being able to tell what they are from a grainy video is irrelevant almost thirty years later - all of that functionality is integrated or hopelessly obsolete by now.
@@MattExzy This - unless you're working with legacy systems in industry etc. that information is largely irrelevant these days. So many functions that used to require large add-in cards now occupy a small portion of a chipset.
@billn.1318 i bet they wouldn't even know how to build an old system like that, let alone even seen windows 3.x A kid i used to work with, has a Gaming PC, and he never even saw windows 98! he said i used something called windows which had a black screen, (which would have been windows XP, ) I showed him photos of windows 3.11 and windows 95, he said that's the stone ages! I said you never lived!
also @billn.1318 yeah the Computer tech roll now is more software based, and the hardware is bought from manufactures from DELL and HP. id be surprised if a onsite Tech even goes anywhere inside a PC now. When i studied windows XP 20years ago, and i did some work building PCs, and from what i got in my hand, i knew that PC building wasn't where the money is at all. On the Microsoft course i did, we used VMWare which would be the up and coming thing, my friend who is in the field. Didn't believe me, until one night we were having a drink, and said he was sorry, i was for what? He said for not listening to you about VMWare. We have just started to use it and its already made some hardware systems redundant. Now nearly 20 years later, my friends server room that had well over 10 to 15 systems in. Are now down to two little boxes. All running VMware.
If you'd had a PC with a SCSI harddrive and thus an already installed & supported SCSI card, this would be exactly the same as on the apple... Its just about open choices, which will come with different problems yes...
There's actually little of the 1981 PC left. ACPI came in 1996 and modernized the OS interface to buses and I/O, this fixed problems with plug and play. Then UEFI became mandatory around 2011 and replaced the BIOS. You can't boot MS DOS on a modern PC because of this.
If I remember correctly things weren’t that different before plug and play. You installed the card or device and setup irrupt settings in bios telling computer how give resourc accesses to devices without conflicts.
I love those old Packard Bell computer, the first computer I've use look like exactly this Packard Bell computer ! It was a PB 486 SX 25 with Windows 3.1
I have to imagine the Packard Bell team that made these beautiful machines and had the ahead of it's time idea with Navigator got snitched up by others (Next? Apple?) Their branding and design came out of nowhere and then just stalled as the quality control and performance dropped, and then Gateway and Dell took over the rest of the 90's and 2000's.
I moved from Win 3.11 to Win95 and I still needed boot discs for every game because none of my games was supported by Win95 (except for Kings Quest VII).
@@JanJanJanJanJanJanJanJanJan2 I was watching a recent interview with the presenter and they said they had so many problems with how to set up cameras with people and being able to see the computer or whatever they were presenting, so this probably explains why they were nearly in each other's clothes. :D
Win95 really changed the game, however, cheaper systems could run into major problems with plug and play, with irq conflicts, and not enough FSB bandwith, also, board power, ic, and psu all had to be compatible, many were not.
You still had to disable IRQ conflicts. If you wanted to use something. As it had a 16 IRQ limit. And being the sound card use 3 right off the bat. The video card used 3, A CD rom added 2 and a printer used 2 IRQ...After installing a floppy, A Hard Drive... You reached the limit. I found it too be the worst experience ever. Not to mention adding an USB external device.
That's very exaggerated. The sound card could potentially use 3 IRQs, one of which was for the CD-ROM interface. Other chips mostly just used one IRQ. For example, IDE used one IRQ as a whole, that wasn't per drive. Printers were connected to the parallel port which used just 1 IRQ, etc.
@@McVaio It's not "Exaggerated".. I had to instruct employees to stop sending in tickets for this issue. So We sent out Cards on how to deal with it.. And it got worse with external USB devices coming out..As Windows 95 sucked. And it's still an issue with Windows users today..
6:10 that's CLEARLY Windows 95. How did he get an Advanced copy? Whenever adding new hardware ALWAYS unplug the computer and drain the power first. so you don't fry the card.
@Невада большевик Yeah I know putting a PC together now involves just installing everything and turning on the PC Back when I had the Packard Bell sx 25 I had a hell of a time getting my new sound card and modem working.
The idea of Plug and Play devices to hook up to a PC was an amazing concept, but it was eventually associated with the USB (Universal Serial Bus) on the Windows 95 and beyond. This particular TV program was aired just months prior to the debut of Windows 95. Since I have a Windows 95 Pentium MMX 233 Mhz PC I didn't have to worry to much of these things at the time.
It's still done with expansion cards, plug in a new graphics card or a NVMe expansion card and PnP will work its magic. You should still check for updated drivers if it isn't a generic device, but that goes for USB, too.
@@fattomandeibu of course my Pentium MMX 233 Mhz Windows 95 PC had the original USB 1.0 which was eventually replaced by the USB 2.0 on Windows 98 and beyond, so I couldn't port things over to a new PC using a USB flash thumb drive because of incompatibility between the two different USB formats. I resorted to copying files smaller than 1.33 MB on a bunch of 3.5 inch disks and the large size files had to be burned to CD-Rs to be transferred.
To this day I still do fresh installs every time an OS update comes out. Especially since nowadays it goes pretty quick, I think it's just good practice.
That palmtop thing with the HP StarLink device plugged into it allows it to receive news and info via satellite?! I didn't know they had devices like this in the early 90s! Damn. Its crazy to think just how technologically advanced we were in the 90's even though most of this cutting edge stuff was underground, only used by rich tech nerds. It took 15 years of progress and development to get these products the the hands of the common man. It's crazy to know the ideas and much of the technology we use today, albeit in a much more primitive form, actually existed 25 years ago!!!
You should find videos of Steve Jobs showing off NeXTstep. It had many of the technologies of modern macOS. Even some of the applications were near identical. And it was released as early as 1985. Things like drag-and-drop, being able to visually design applications, being able to run automated scripts, etc, have been around a long time.
It wasn't satellite, it was based on paging networks. Where satellites came in was with the nationwide paging networks: the data stream was uplinked to a satellite and simultaneously broadcast to hundreds of paging base station transmitters across the country, which would then transmit the same message. It was needed because the paging networks, at that time, were strictly one-way.
The High Sierra filesystem was the original filesystem used on CD-ROMs. It was named after a casino where they met, and it eventually evolved into ISO 9660.
There's a difference between internal and external installation of a CD-ROM drive. The Backpack CD-ROM drive for example, was just as simple to install on a PC through the parallel port. Want to install an internal CD-ROM drive on that Mac II? You can't. It's impossible, period, because of how the case is designed. PCs were definitely more versatile but therefore also more complex.
The parallel port was awful and slow, and you'd run into printer compatibility problems, not to mention printing would basically stop your CD. CDs were the worst because they fundamentally transferred data into the PC, and it did this by literally twiddling the out of paper status lines, an extremely slow process. Meanwhile, Macs since the Mac Plus had SCSI built-in, so you'd get internal-level performance with external convenience. Before USB, PCs were plain bad at ports. 2 serial ports and a parallel port and that's all you got. A modem, printer, mouse, and you were done.
Be happy these are even around, especially the 80's materials. If it were BBC or something they would've reused the video reels for other show tapings and edits. Tons of material irrevocably lost forever.
How the hell did Windows stay so successful through the time period when the other four major Operating Systems were so much easier... Even Windows 98 was a nightmare when we had to install an Ethernet port on our old Compaq.
1. Cost. people would get a cheap pc and settle for it. 2. it what most items supported. Yea you could get os/2 but when you add windows 3.1x or 95 to it. AKA to be able to run those programs. Why not just purchase windows 95 and save the os/2 cost. Among other things.
What other four major operating systems were easier than Windows 95? The Macintosh didn't have a real operating system, and Unix definitely wasn't easier than anything. OS/2 had very specific and demanding hardware requirements and NT had the Windows 3.1 interface for a while, then later lacked things like the Device Manager. Windows stayed so popular because it was the easiest of all of them for consumers.
@@McVaio Agreed, and the mac doesn't count since it was proprietary so not like you had a choice about what OS to use with it. OS/2 was the only real viable x86 competitor OS and while it had its moments, it felt like abandonedware even when it was released. I remember Computer City had a whole row of Windows 95 boxes and associated 3rd party enhancement software, while OS/2 occupied an obscure shelf in an out of direct vision sight line, next to the $5 budget titles on clearance.
You almost had to be an electrical engineer to install peripherals back then. Sometimes you even had to play with jumpers on the motherboard and on the peripheral. I don’t miss it one bit.
It was really frustrating. Easily had to spend an entire afternoon or even a whole weekend just to get everything working right. So many wasted days that I remember being so frustrated.
the fake typer at 6:00 looks hillarious, he doesn't make spaces very often :D That reminds me of a gux who did a fake phone call on a landline phone, as a manager was at visit. Unfortunately there was no cord connected to the earpiece.
Win95 had a long beta period. You could run various "Chicago" builds as early as 1993. Many of the late betas looked identical to the final release of 95.
There is somehow retro community that has these thingies still... I'm not retro PC community dude but i have some hardware that is from early 90's and i can burn CDs with them :D
I love when he has multiple "stations" set up in the set, and the ensuing awkwardness when he moves on to the next station leaving the salesman just standing there.
I usually like to play a game when this happens.
I've found there are usually three possible outcomes.
1. The guest leaves their chair and exits the frame without us seeing. I like to call this the "ghost maneuver"
2. The guest leaves while the camera is on Mr. Cheifet, allowing us to see them leave. This is the least professional of the bunch. I'd imagine it happens because the guest is nervous. No harm, no foul.
3. This one is my favorite. The first guest stays seated through the entirety of the second interview. The building tension wondering "are they going to just sit there the entire time....?" is usually all I can focus on in these situations. Usually if they're there by the 2nd cut back to Mr. Cheifet, they're in it for the long haul.
@@remghoost Lol, it would be great if the first guest randomly turned around and was like "Oh, Mr. Cheifet, sorry to interrupt, but there's one feature of our product that might be of interest here...."
I love those who pretend that the interview was just a short distraction and they resume working on something "important" in the background as they get out of focus.
Highly underrated comment! @@yellowblanka6058
we use to call it plug and 'pray'
hifijohn Was just going to say the same thing :D
Back then it really was plug and pray because the windows drivers for it were very unstable. It would just die by itself if you were lucky enough to get it working in the first place. haha
Yep! Plug and pray, or plug and play with!
Europe here: same.
@@BollingHolt lol plug and pray as in pray windows didn't lock up or worse bluescreen of death
I’ve been binging through these old videos. Damn the nostalgia is hitting hard.
Yes it does, I remember running a BBS system using vision software on my commodore 64 in 1989-1991!
@@vernonsmith6176 I ran one using Renegade on my 486
@@vernonsmith6176 i just say remember using BBC computers at school, that was when the school only had 3 to 4 computers. All were on a red wheeled computer desk. By the time i was 9 we got a couple of newer systems, that ran windows 3.1, and some one decide to turn the monitor to very dark. Which had the school teachers baffled for a few days, they even got some one out to have a look. Holly hell let loose over that one. Due to the school getting just them in.
It's interesting how much you can learn about modern computers and issues by watching these old videos.
Hey, wait a minute... HP invented Starlink 30 years ago!
It seemed for me that no matter what modem and soundcard I had Windows 95 didn't have the drivers for it.
+joseph fulks PnP is not about drivers, this is a mechanism to discover new HW and allocate resources for it
If it wasn't for the internet, we would all have the same problem to this day!
HYPER! DSG
That network on interconnected computers is where you get most of your drivers from these days... That's what.
HYPER! DSG
*critique.
Man you really don't know shit do you?
But hey, go on and try to force people to think you are smart with lies like "I have written papers for blah blah..." when clearly you have no grasp of the English language, and If you wrote a peer reviewed paper, I'm Mary Poppins... We clear? Good, you may fuck off now. I do not care for morons.
HYPER! DSG
You have no desire to learn, my good sir, you have a desire to troll, make no mistake.
You want an honest reply, with no name calling?
Here we go.
My original post had no reference to your name in it. You where the one who assumed that it was a reply to your comment and decided to start picking apart every single syllable of it so that you could refute it. (Using facts, I might add, facts which may not pertain to the actual content of my own comment, but nonetheless, I have to praise you for knowing at least something about something). I don't really know why you decided to do that, and my promise to not be offensive precludes me from speculating, so I will not.
So, when I decide that you are obviously trying to start, whatever you where trying to start there, and call you out on your, whatever that was, you decide to dig your hole a little further and try to tell me that you have written papers on some such, which i see you have handily deleted, because they where probably bald faced lies (sorry, speculation, stopping)
and then, when I tell you that basically I think you are trolling, and really hammer home the point that I do not suffer trolls and will just needlessly fuck with them (because they seriously hate that and cannot handle it), your reply is to act like the sheep in the whole thing, delete any reference to any "writing papers" garbage, replacing it with a heartfelt have a nice life comment, to try to, what, look like the good guy here?
I really don't care what I look like on some backwater youboob comment, who the hell will ever read this, besides you and me anyway?
Do you think that by now the OP has not muted his own comment because of this whole thing?
Trust me, I have been quietly chuckling to myself for days now every time you have replied to me and I have been able to have a little fun with you, so I really don't care what kind of face you are trying to put on today, tomorrow or the next day, I think this conversation has kind of reached an end with that last comment of yours being just about unintelligible, from a grammar and sentence structure point of view, that I now think that you might have English as a second language, so I am just going to leave this little detour here to fester in some server at Google's farm, where it shall be stored for generations so that your children can witness this glorious achievement, when... wait, I'm slipping into sarcasm, I'm a little tipsy and tired from a hard day's work, forgive me.
Ok, I think that, either way, I have made my point by now, if you even still reading. I don't mind typing a while for you. You are welcome.
Have a nice life yourself!
I hope that you can find something better than a computer to keep you company some day.
Namaste.
Amazingly Macintosh has become even more easy to upgrade - now you simply throw your old Mac away any buy a new one
worlds going that way now sadly, those days where we would drop another upgrade in is becoming a thing of the past, and i recon the PC will go that way at some point too. Just chuck it and buy a new one.
This is a pretty dated way at looking at Macs. Most of them are upgradeable - some more than others. But other than RAM (which few people upgrade these days unless you REALLY cheaped out on RAM to begin with), what would you really need to upgrade? It's not like people do this on PCs or phones or tablets; the only people who do it semi-regularly are PC gamers, and that's an incredibly niche category that Apple doesn't care about. Calling out Apple in this regard is disingenious.
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@@BlownMacTruck How are they upgradable? With the transition to apple silicon, the storage, ram, GPU, CPU, and security chip are all built into a single module, tied together with ids that require reflash if you want to replace them, and can only be replaced if you happen to have a station capable of reballing them. On top of that, the screens have also started being tied to the motherboard, meaning you cant replace or upgrade that either. I genuinely, other than software, cant think of how a modern mac can be upgraded, and I own a M1 macbook air and am an apple user. Maybe you can call the Mac Pro upgradable since it has PCIE ports, but even then they dont support graphics cards.
@@nabagaca You have what is basically an external pcie bus with Thunderbolt. Add as much storage as you want. Want iops? Get an nvme DAS array. Want bulk? Get petabytes of nl storage.
And I laugh at your cpu / ram upgrading. No one does that anymore, not even on the PC side (and this is coming from someone who builds gaming PCs). Size accordingly when you purchase.
those were the days, IRQ conflict and blue screen
Man! You just brought back a tone trauma I had hidden deep in my soul... thanks!
More than that. A lot of motherboard manufacturers would place more slots than the bus could ever handle. The mouse interface is what really made it evident. The cursor would pause.
@@Astinsan fsb was critical, only higher end systems could handle the input.
2:05 I used that exact CD/SB16 upgrade kit back in the day on the family Compaq Prolinea 425/S we had at the time. The drive was a 2x if im not mistaken.
how much faster was scsi over ide?
That Packard Bell overlay was totally useless and simply took up resources.
yeah but all brand name computers are like that dude they all have bloatware to slow them down
@@raven4k998 Mine didn't but I was a little lucky. It was a Circuit City sale PC and was used as a store demo unit :) Unlucky in that it had a password to boot it lol and I had to call back and have them find it.
@@Daehawk nope you just didn't notice the bloatwares power loss had you uninstalled it that computer would have been a screamer
Compaq Homebase was worse.
@@Daehawk
How big of a discount did they give you? What year was it?
I remember sometimes even when I had made sure every card had its own unique IRQ and base memory addresses, it still would not work. I would spend countless hours changing all the settings on each card and in the OS repeatedly until finally I figured out that one card would only work with a certain IRQ (even though it had other possible settings available on its DIP switches or jumpers). Very frustrating.
add a card that required a tsr to set that up, then install 95. sheesh!
@@jeffyp2483 Huh? First, your profile picture is a Commodore logo. Commodore was never owned by Microsoft. I guess it is possible that one can be both a Commodore fan and a Microsoft fanboy. But back in the day, Microsoft and Commodore were rivals. Second, what you stated was not the case for me. The cards I had did not "require a tsr to set that up". If you had cards that did that and worked fine with Windows 95, then great! That just was not the case with me.
@@georgeh6856 some cards used software to set dma, irq, etc if yours werent thats great and not surprising to me. microsoft authored the basic in commodore computers. some of the last computers to wear a commodore badge were x86 based. im not a microsoft fanboy, but i have used their oses starting with msdos. i am (slowly) moving away from windows + linux based oses part time to linux full time. windows has gotten worse over the years. i think it was best between 95 and xp (inclusive) but win3.x has a nostalgic quality the others cant.*
*for me, in case anyone has difficulty.
Yeah and there was no TH-cam to walk you through the process lol.
@@longlivebytor Plug and play still uses IRQs. It just assigns them programmatically. With that kind of thinking, you should be sending your messages via telegraph, not TH-cam.
I remember the very next day after my wife got me my first PC I installed a Sound Blaster 16 sound card. I was nervous but I read the manual completely and I took off the case cover, shoved in the card, Connected my speakers, and installed the drivers. Took me 20 min because I was taking it slow. No problem. Was the beginning of my decades long upgrades.
yeah and this was before the only bloatware on your computer was windows it self back then they bloated it up with useless shit to slow it down for you right off the bat those where the days I remember them well
Well done, Phoenix, AMI and the other BIOS developers. Still form a hidden part of our PCs, with only 3 BIOS developers of note left.
Nowadays most if not all DIY motherboards have AMI UEFI BIOS, Phoenix mostly does server and IoT stuff now, and then you have InsydeH2O UEFI BIOS in many laptops and prebuild PCs.
@@DripDripDrip69 Phoenix do the BIOS for Lenovo also, I understand.
I remember when I was a kid and using Windows 95. Plug and play was improved on Windows 98SE greatly. Windows 95 PnP was a nightmare, or it would work the first time; hit or miss.
how things have changed since those days my friend, Now windows 10 goes out into the world and finds the drivers for you. When you think about it, windows 95 must be like MSDOS to windows 10, and windows XP would like windows 3.11 todays standards.
Took them days getting their multimedia setup working. It took me a few hours to assemble a new pc.
Dude, you are amazing, really !!
Yeah, shows you how great plug and play actually ended up being once they worked out the initial hiccups.
Even without plug and play, it doesn't take me days to get everything working. It's more complicated but it takes me a few hours at most to figure everything out. And when using software that tells me all the resources that are in use, it goes even faster. I don't know how it takes a supposed expert days to figure it out.
now the way things are going with PCs you can practically have a system up and running with in an hour. All of it is practically on the motherboard now. Just pre the full lot on the board, and if you have a spare PSU and a switch you could even install the OS, before you put the board in the case!
Sound blaster DMA and irqs used to drive me mad
0:34 - 3DO? :P
+venichen1 Yup.
+venichen1
What about it?
6:17 Carl Stork of Microsoft gets technical. I love it.
Don’t forget guys, join the discussion with their forum ON-LINE..
Plug and Play is the best feature to connecting hardware and software to work together without the drudgery of building components, even without computer engineering knowledge.
Plug and play. Hmmm. Amiga was doing that in the late 80s. It was also more powerful than PC's released at the same time.
25:34 I think the IR connection failed because that sure doesn't look like a press release to me.
IR data transfer was extremely slow and it didn’t take much to cause a print job or data transfer to fail. Block the IR connection (or turn off the sending device too soon) and bang, print job corrupted!
Also one thing I’ve noticed watching these shows is that Stewart Cheifet liked to keep things moving quickly, so there was no way that guy was getting his press release printed on TV anyway!
Imagine installing additional devices ... having problems ... but no internet available ... well, that really could take a few days, back then.
and even if you did have access to compuserve or usenet or whatever, you likely only had one device that could access it, which is the one you where working on.
It was not a fun process. This is why when I see various retro computing channels trying to do what I had plenty of days doing before I just shake my head and move on. Had plenty of my fill and zero desire. I'll use my modern devices happily.
Kinda hate how Stewart and the guest act like before PnP it was the dark ages of computers. I mean ya PnP is amazing especially at that time. But I got my first PC in 1994 and had no idea about how to do anything . Yet the next day I installed a SB 16 sound card and was up and running in 15 minutes. It was simply read the manual, check the jumpers, install the card, then install the drivers and reboot. Tada. They make it sound like some amazing unknown task.
My parents worked at Compaq and I remember it being refered to as Plug and Pray for several years by Compaq staff.
In 1994 the capacity of a 650 Mbyte CD ROM disks was incredible in comparison to the capacity of a hard disk which was hardly one gigabyte.
From the 1.44Mb of floppy disks user move to the 100 MB of Zip disk and the 650 Mbyte or 700 Mbyte of CD ROMs.
I remember well that period. CD ROM changed everything and were the main reason before internet for many people to buy a computers. Sound cards existed long before CD ROM but weren't very popular or cheap.
In 1994, most computers even had hard drives that had a lower capacity than CD-ROMs. CD-ROM was an incredibly cheap mass storage medium for the time.
@@McVaio Eh, CD-Burners and media weren't anywhere as cheap as they are these days in the mid 90's and were orders of magnitude slower at accessing data than hard-drives.
@@yellowblanka6058 People want to look back with rose colored glasses and forget that CDRs and CDRWs were a whopping 1-4x speed back then, not the 48x standard they are now lol.
In 1994, we were just starting to see 1 gb drives. I bought a 720 MB because it was finally affordable. LOL
Note that the access bus discussed here became USB, the most successful and dominant peripheral communication standard.
Yep, and it didn't come from Apple of course.
ACCESS.Bus was a totally separate standard by DEC and Philips that only supported really slow devices like keyboards and mice and predated USB by like 2 years. It was a total failure in the market and is completely unrelated to USB.
Not quite, @vitajazz
"An industry group, the ACCESS.bus Industry Group, or ABIG, was created in 1993 to control the development of the standard. There were 29 voting members of the group, including Microsoft. By this point DEC had introduced A.b on some of their workstations and a number of peripherals had been introduced by a variety of companies.
Development of USB began the next year, in 1994, and the consortium included a number of the members of the A.b group, notably DEC and Microsoft. Interest in A.b waned, leaving Philips as the primary supporter."
The worst part of my early computer days was fiddling around with jumpers on my motherboard or new hardware to make it work. Then might have to mess with the irq til something worked lol. Even then I'd boot up and then a pop up would say I'm missing a file or DLL before I could use it. All this when I was 8 years old 😐
Hahaha that is what your current job id based on, right? What you do for living?
god i hated jumpers on the pentium 1 motherboards, used to get the arsehole twitching in case i fried the processor.
the 90s was the best time for computer technicians. Back when you actually rely on a computer tech to maintain your. I bet the avid computer gamer now who knows how to build a water cooled cpu and gpu does not know what parts were going into 7:06. Its really important to understand these fundamentals for future computer technicians. These days, From a business standpoint, Most of these hardware stuff are worked on by manufacturers like Dell, Lenovo, HP and Compaq (thats a joke). The technicians of today are needed for software and application support. Cloud storage and local storage support. Days are gone when you have to go onsite and check the motherboard lol
If I could hazard a guess - the first card looks like a modem, the second looks like a SCSI/parallel port controller thing, and the third might be a soundcard. But being able to tell what they are from a grainy video is irrelevant almost thirty years later - all of that functionality is integrated or hopelessly obsolete by now.
@@MattExzy This - unless you're working with legacy systems in industry etc. that information is largely irrelevant these days. So many functions that used to require large add-in cards now occupy a small portion of a chipset.
@billn.1318 i bet they wouldn't even know how to build an old system like that, let alone even seen windows 3.x A kid i used to work with, has a Gaming PC, and he never even saw windows 98! he said i used something called windows which had a black screen, (which would have been windows XP, ) I showed him photos of windows 3.11 and windows 95, he said that's the stone ages! I said you never lived!
also @billn.1318 yeah the Computer tech roll now is more software based, and the hardware is bought from manufactures from DELL and HP. id be surprised if a onsite Tech even goes anywhere inside a PC now. When i studied windows XP 20years ago, and i did some work building PCs, and from what i got in my hand, i knew that PC building wasn't where the money is at all. On the Microsoft course i did, we used VMWare which would be the up and coming thing, my friend who is in the field. Didn't believe me, until one night we were having a drink, and said he was sorry, i was for what? He said for not listening to you about VMWare. We have just started to use it and its already made some hardware systems redundant. Now nearly 20 years later, my friends server room that had well over 10 to 15 systems in. Are now down to two little boxes. All running VMware.
Back in the days gamers knew something, nowadays nope. And that is why newcomers to software development are some python scriptkiddies lol ;)
I love how they just sent a simple txt file through infrared, had they sent a couple of megabytes it would have taken ages.
You figured that out all by yourself?
@@cappaculla I'm really smart, aren't I?
The way IR worked, a few megabytes probably would have failed, like the “press release” print job did later!
4:53 -- I thought she was gonna say "This notebook user is a hot donkey" XD
Spasticated.
Hot docking , so many damn laptops and desktops around the office who needs a hot dock
Gold at $400 an ounce....how I'd love to go back in time.
Woops i just copied THAT floppy lol
If you'd had a PC with a SCSI harddrive and thus an already installed & supported SCSI card, this would be exactly the same as on the apple...
Its just about open choices, which will come with different problems yes...
That very Multimedia upgrade kit was the first PC hardware I ever installed. The one in the opening, not the creative:(
"The PC has been around since 1981 and it's getting antiquated" God, if he knew...
There's actually little of the 1981 PC left. ACPI came in 1996 and modernized the OS interface to buses and I/O, this fixed problems with plug and play. Then UEFI became mandatory around 2011 and replaced the BIOS. You can't boot MS DOS on a modern PC because of this.
If I remember correctly things weren’t that different before plug and play. You installed the card or device and setup irrupt settings in bios telling computer how give resourc accesses to devices without conflicts.
"notice it's a single click" damn that's advanced
3:14 And Now is a Mac OSX version... Also a CD ROM format
Anyone know what kind of watch Stewart was wearing here?
Vintage Casio dual time watch ⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰
I love those old Packard Bell computer, the first computer I've use look like exactly this Packard Bell computer ! It was a PB 486 SX 25 with Windows 3.1
I amazed that OSD control with PC is so rarely used, it's 30 years now.
That's one hell of a combover, its award winning, not quite the oscar standard of donald trump but still an award winner.
I have to imagine the Packard Bell team that made these beautiful machines and had the ahead of it's time idea with Navigator got snitched up by others (Next? Apple?) Their branding and design came out of nowhere and then just stalled as the quality control and performance dropped, and then Gateway and Dell took over the rest of the 90's and 2000's.
I moved from Win 3.11 to Win95 and I still needed boot discs for every game because none of my games was supported by Win95 (except for Kings Quest VII).
Ah, early Plug and Play. Only worked when it felt like it
Nice bi flag
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OMG THAT SPEAKERS SIDE BY THE MONITOR
We need a remake of the Computer Chronicles but this time wrapped in a thick vaporwave mist
Plug 'n "pray" is what we used to call it
8:11 could they stand any closer to each other?
2020 does weird things to us.
@@JanJanJanJanJanJanJanJanJan2 I was watching a recent interview with the presenter and they said they had so many problems with how to set up cameras with people and being able to see the computer or whatever they were presenting, so this probably explains why they were nearly in each other's clothes. :D
@@JanJanJanJanJanJanJanJanJan2 feels weird watching them stand like that in 2020/2021!!!
Win95 really changed the game, however, cheaper systems could run into major problems with plug and play, with irq conflicts, and not enough FSB bandwith, also, board power, ic, and psu all had to be compatible, many were not.
it was said that windows 3.x was the game changer with drivers, windows 95 came out, that's when things really started to kick off, for standards
You still had to disable IRQ conflicts. If you wanted to use something. As it had a 16 IRQ limit. And being the sound card use 3 right off the bat. The video card used 3, A CD rom added 2 and a printer used 2 IRQ...After installing a floppy, A Hard Drive... You reached the limit. I found it too be the worst experience ever. Not to mention adding an USB external device.
That's very exaggerated. The sound card could potentially use 3 IRQs, one of which was for the CD-ROM interface. Other chips mostly just used one IRQ. For example, IDE used one IRQ as a whole, that wasn't per drive. Printers were connected to the parallel port which used just 1 IRQ, etc.
@@McVaio It's not "Exaggerated".. I had to instruct employees to stop sending in tickets for this issue. So We sent out Cards on how to deal with it.. And it got worse with external USB devices coming out..As Windows 95 sucked.
And it's still an issue with Windows users today..
25:20 StarLink
internet had just started. if you lost the driver disk you were basically screwed...
6:10 that's CLEARLY Windows 95. How did he get an Advanced copy? Whenever adding new hardware ALWAYS unplug the computer and drain the power first. so you don't fry the card.
Public Beta release. Microsoft had a lot of public betas of Windows 95, even before it was called Windows 95. At one point it was Windows 4.
And, 25 years hence, P&P still sort of works only some of the time.
@Невада большевик Yeah I know putting a PC together now involves just installing everything and turning on the PC Back when I had the Packard Bell sx 25 I had a hell of a time getting my new sound card and modem working.
@Невада большевик Correct. No one has to deal with IRQs anymore since Windows 2000. A lot of people talk random bs on the Internet.
Still remember when Gates was on stage and got BSOD trying to install a printer i think
The idea of Plug and Play devices to hook up to a PC was an amazing concept, but it was eventually associated with the USB (Universal Serial Bus) on the Windows 95 and beyond. This particular TV program was aired just months prior to the debut of Windows 95. Since I have a Windows 95 Pentium MMX 233 Mhz PC I didn't have to worry to much of these things at the time.
It's still done with expansion cards, plug in a new graphics card or a NVMe expansion card and PnP will work its magic. You should still check for updated drivers if it isn't a generic device, but that goes for USB, too.
@@fattomandeibu of course my Pentium MMX 233 Mhz Windows 95 PC had the original USB 1.0 which was eventually replaced by the USB 2.0 on Windows 98 and beyond, so I couldn't port things over to a new PC using a USB flash thumb drive because of incompatibility between the two different USB formats. I resorted to copying files smaller than 1.33 MB on a bunch of 3.5 inch disks and the large size files had to be burned to CD-Rs to be transferred.
Nothing ever went smoothly upgrading an OS or installing multiple cards, even after 95 and a plug'n'play bios.
To this day I still do fresh installs every time an OS update comes out. Especially since nowadays it goes pretty quick, I think it's just good practice.
Oh boy ribbon cables, glad they went away.
Gold being $400 per ounce? Man, last I checked it's $1900 per oz now.. Madness
Bro, don't forget Inflation. You can't compare the value by number.
@@SpiDey1500 Yep, I was actually commenting about... the inflation
That palmtop thing with the HP StarLink device plugged into it allows it to receive news and info via satellite?! I didn't know they had devices like this in the early 90s! Damn. Its crazy to think just how technologically advanced we were in the 90's even though most of this cutting edge stuff was underground, only used by rich tech nerds. It took 15 years of progress and development to get these products the the hands of the common man. It's crazy to know the ideas and much of the technology we use today, albeit in a much more primitive form, actually existed 25 years ago!!!
You should find videos of Steve Jobs showing off NeXTstep. It had many of the technologies of modern macOS. Even some of the applications were near identical. And it was released as early as 1985. Things like drag-and-drop, being able to visually design applications, being able to run automated scripts, etc, have been around a long time.
It wasn't satellite, it was based on paging networks. Where satellites came in was with the nationwide paging networks: the data stream was uplinked to a satellite and simultaneously broadcast to hundreds of paging base station transmitters across the country, which would then transmit the same message. It was needed because the paging networks, at that time, were strictly one-way.
Where's Maria Gab...briel?
25:28 That paper looks like it is possessed!
Did they have starlink back then too? I thing todays starlink is a bit faster!
3:15 the installer says “Reading High Sierra File Access”…
"Reading High Sierra File Access" at 3:14
yup that mac was way ahead of its time
The High Sierra filesystem was the original filesystem used on CD-ROMs. It was named after a casino where they met, and it eventually evolved into ISO 9660.
access bus was basically USB V 0.1 which I believe was developed in 94 or 95
No random access?
danwat1234
Just random crashes... :-)
"Hot docking" is a funny term
There's a difference between internal and external installation of a CD-ROM drive. The Backpack CD-ROM drive for example, was just as simple to install on a PC through the parallel port. Want to install an internal CD-ROM drive on that Mac II? You can't. It's impossible, period, because of how the case is designed. PCs were definitely more versatile but therefore also more complex.
The parallel port was awful and slow, and you'd run into printer compatibility problems, not to mention printing would basically stop your CD. CDs were the worst because they fundamentally transferred data into the PC, and it did this by literally twiddling the out of paper status lines, an extremely slow process. Meanwhile, Macs since the Mac Plus had SCSI built-in, so you'd get internal-level performance with external convenience. Before USB, PCs were plain bad at ports. 2 serial ports and a parallel port and that's all you got. A modem, printer, mouse, and you were done.
Windows 95, sounds fancy.
I'm still using TOS.
I wish the computer chronicles were updated to 1080p on bluray. I know i would buy it.
@@peterjszerszen nowadays, AI is actually capable of up-scaling low-resolution videos, and the results can actually be pretty impressive :)
Be happy these are even around, especially the 80's materials. If it were BBC or something they would've reused the video reels for other show tapings and edits. Tons of material irrevocably lost forever.
How many times do these guys repeat "plug and play"????
At least 1000 times!!
It gave me so much anxiety that they didn't "read that first"
they must have been blown away by usb
Circuit City?
Ahh the Plug and Pray era.
I wish I had floppy disk to copy.
Star Link?!
Law suit for Mr. Musk, surely?
I'd love to see these guys rich beyond their wildest dreams....
How the hell did Windows stay so successful through the time period when the other four major Operating Systems were so much easier...
Even Windows 98 was a nightmare when we had to install an Ethernet port on our old Compaq.
1. Cost. people would get a cheap pc and settle for it. 2. it what most items supported. Yea you could get os/2 but when you add windows 3.1x or 95 to it. AKA to be able to run those programs. Why not just purchase windows 95 and save the os/2 cost. Among other things.
What other four major operating systems were easier than Windows 95? The Macintosh didn't have a real operating system, and Unix definitely wasn't easier than anything. OS/2 had very specific and demanding hardware requirements and NT had the Windows 3.1 interface for a while, then later lacked things like the Device Manager. Windows stayed so popular because it was the easiest of all of them for consumers.
@@McVaio Agreed, and the mac doesn't count since it was proprietary so not like you had a choice about what OS to use with it. OS/2 was the only real viable x86 competitor OS and while it had its moments, it felt like abandonedware even when it was released. I remember Computer City had a whole row of Windows 95 boxes and associated 3rd party enhancement software, while OS/2 occupied an obscure shelf in an out of direct vision sight line, next to the $5 budget titles on clearance.
APU advanced processing unit holds pnp
You almost had to be an electrical engineer to install peripherals back then. Sometimes you even had to play with jumpers on the motherboard and on the peripheral. I don’t miss it one bit.
It was really frustrating. Easily had to spend an entire afternoon or even a whole weekend just to get everything working right. So many wasted days that I remember being so frustrated.
So Starlink is from HP and from 1994 ;)
OMG navigator. I had that. lol. It was terrible....
Well, considering it basically evolved into firefox, you might just be using it's great, great, great grandchild!
@@ballsrgrossnugly no that was a different terrible navigator, I had that in the windows 95 version which resembled a house with 3 rooms.
**Knocks mac off table** Whoops
This was called Plug amd Pray.
Post check beep nostalgic
the fake typer at 6:00 looks hillarious, he doesn't make spaces very often :D That reminds me of a gux who did a fake phone call on a landline phone, as a manager was at visit. Unfortunately there was no cord connected to the earpiece.
I LOVE USA!
How come this video is tagged as 1994 when some guy is using Windows 95 on it
Win95 had a long beta period. You could run various "Chicago" builds as early as 1993. Many of the late betas looked identical to the final release of 95.
It's a beta version from 1994
Were those available to the public before?
Fun fact: All of the electronics in this episode are gone since long, or maybe some part is in a museum somewhere...
There is somehow retro community that has these thingies still...
I'm not retro PC community dude but i have some hardware that is from early 90's and i can burn CDs with them :D
5:00 Apple did it with PowerBook duo
These days plugging in a peripheral is a foreign concept, aside from GPU :)
"HP Starlink" lol
I took the bus once , was a great ride and I ended up in the destination I was expecting.... outstanding
Windows XP was the first version were it worked somewhat.
That music that trys to sound techno 😂
OMG the scsi drives before Ide
Plug and Pray