@@dan98996 It was a head injury that is rumored to happen in a fall of a fight in a bar, but nobody really knows anything but complications from a head injury.
@@connclissmann6514 Newsflash .... Newsflash ... conn - statistics now shows that people are using their fax more than ever these days, thank you very much!!!
How things have changed. Mainboards these days have everything needed for a complete PC which eliminates the need for expansion boards. But you still have the option to install boards if you need special or enhanced functionality. Add-in video cards, SSD host adapters are very popular. And there are sound cards still around.
Computer Chronicles should have been at least 1 hour instead of 30 minutes. Not enough time to completely discuss anything. It is still fun watching these episodes to see the evolution of computing technology.
16:13 Before "doing a Dew" was popular with the Gen Xers, "do a Dir" was what the cool kids in tech were saying to show they were part of the "In Crowd".
26:00 back in 1988 they were talking about GBit connections speeds and I am stuck at home with 20Mb internet connection in 2021 Something is not right or is it?
Nothing is wrong if you're rural, but in 1988 gigabit speeds were a dream for just unless you were government or something. The Internet didn't even exist yet back then
I bought an add-on board for connecting a joystick controller for playing Windows PC video games on my computer. However unfortunately I found out that the later versions of Windows no longer support this type of game controller. So I have an add-on board that I cannot use. 😢
Computing as a hobby was a horrifically expensive hobby back then if you wanted the best most recent technology that we take for granted today. It's why I have little fond memories of this era because I could not afford to get anything remotely modern and had to use very old equipment that was painfully slow.
@@oldtwinsna8347 makes you wonder though how cheap and small would a modernized 486 dx gaming pc be if you made one cause think about it if you did a die shrink to 7 nm that would let you condense the cpu and chip set into one chip not to mention what they could do with the sound card chips
@@raven4k998 you do realize that add-on sound cards tend to be far superior to onboard sound chipsets right? Surely you’ve kept up with creative labs sound cards.
@@nyccollin it's the 21st century now kid grow up and accept that creative sound cards sound the same is on board sound mind you linux makes the sound a lot better sounding
16:19 - Here is a thing that frequently bugs me on this show. "Let's run DIR in DOS, and here's how it looks at XT speeds, and here's how it looks at 386 speeds! Of course you wouldn't spend $1000 just to get faster DIR" THEN WHY IS THAT YOUR DEMO?!? It's like when Apple reps demo'ed the IIc+ and to show off the 4MHz speed they ran Math Blaster, and it was like "see how much faster? Of course that makes the game unplayable, so you wouldn't do that..." Yeah, no, turbo mode on a IIc+ is all but worthless for games. Show Appleworks or GEOS or something! Like, come on guys, figure out what is the good thing to demo, and demo that! The AutoCAD example isn't necessarily one that everyone would relate to but it's very much a visual demo, you can see the computer doing something cool, and doing it faster. The Lotus 1-2-3 example is less of a visual demo but it's one that more users would be able to relate to, since spreadsheets were a big killer app in the 80s. Both were good examples IMO. So why waste time with DIR?
The apple one with math blaster was literally because apple didn't bother to bring their own apple software and the only thing they could find that showed any easy to see difference was a producers daughter's copy of math blaster. Stewart has talked about it, it was a last minute fix because apple didn't give a damn about the ] [ or the ] [c etc
5:31 - "What is the difference between extended memory and expanded memory?" Ugh... I had DOS PCs back in the day, dealt with all this nonsense and I still can't keep it straight in my head. Like they're called "Extended" and "Expanded" and they both start with the letter "E" and with the "X" sound and so they're XMS and EMS... What always threw me was that I thought EMS ("Expanded memory") was the better, more desirable one, but I guess it's actually just the more compatible one because the EMS driver can usually be configured to auto-provision space as needed, so if you have EMS set up then you're compatible with both XMS and EMS software...
No Apple doesn’t. The hosts spoke to how Apple designs products as appliances (and they have options for installing what you want - that’s what the Mac Pro is for). You can still replace basic parts and build to order, but their philosophy isn’t exclusive - if you don’t like what they’re doing, there are other choices. That’s how the market works. In fact as Apple has progressed through the years, they’ve become more open, specifically in the software side. If they were really about locking you down, they wouldn’t use an OS based around even more open standards than when this was originally filmed. But hey, spitting out stupid comments is way easier than understanding nuance.
Jeeez that made my brain stutter as bad as Maria. Now, if there were add-on cards for the Rotary Phone, including a camera module.* I helped my uncle jack off a horse. I helped my uncle jack, off a horse. Less time on Minecraft, more time with books.
I tried it found my first virus on it and cleaned it off the install discs those were the good old days shitty ms dos anti virus scanner was worthless couldn't find the virus like norton could
@@raven4k998 My first vírus that I knew off was "Stonned Angelina", circa 1995. I think Norton was What I used at the time, too. But it came from a cousins floppy disk.
This is comfort food for me now. Wish Gary was still with us.
Didn't Gary die in a gay motorcycle bar?
@@dan98996 It was a head injury that is rumored to happen in a fall of a fight in a bar, but nobody really knows anything but complications from a head injury.
This is bloody excellent. I LOVE this show!
so in this day and age what's the last addon board you needed to add to your computer now be honest now
Man, this is great! I love this episode. I'm going to start using my built in fax on my all-in-one HP Pavilion 23 TouchSmart Computer.
you can't it does not have a modem lol
@@raven4k998 Yes I can because I have an external modem ... LOL .... :-)
@@lenovovo make sure it has OS/2 support! need something future proof!🤭
Not many still around to whom you can send a fax.
@@connclissmann6514 Newsflash .... Newsflash ... conn - statistics now shows that people are using their fax more than ever these days, thank you very much!!!
Nice videos to learn from past, or get some sleep, anyway, I like so much this content :)
How things have changed. Mainboards these days have everything needed for a complete PC which eliminates the need for expansion boards. But you still have the option to install boards if you need special or enhanced functionality. Add-in video cards, SSD host adapters are very popular. And there are sound cards still around.
heck, system on chip , most commonly known as your smartphone, has everything on a single chip.
@@oldtwinsna8347 Except the modem/WiFi.
in 88, a CD burner would have easily tacked on THOUSANDS to the MSRP of the NeXTstep. It would not even have been an internal drive for that matter.
Sara is left handed. Very nice.
Computer Chronicles should have been at least 1 hour instead of 30 minutes. Not enough time to completely discuss anything. It is still fun watching these episodes to see the evolution of computing technology.
That way they wouldn't have to talk so fast at times.
Really, Cheifet has to hurry up presenters often.
@@gblargg he coldly gets up with his clipboard and walks to the next guest.
@@larsfladmark2482 it's not cold
A reminder of everything we've lost.
The AST expanded memory segment was filmed on the day I was born. Had an AST Advantage as a kid.. weird.
16:13 Before "doing a Dew" was popular with the Gen Xers, "do a Dir" was what the cool kids in tech were saying to show they were part of the "In Crowd".
“In crowd” did ls
I bought at least one 387 co pro recently...I have two 386 machines that I'd like to put them in :D
Searching for one
are you going to turn your pc into a fax machine?
17:46 - Wait, did he have ACAD, Word, Quatro Pro and a Dos Prompt all running at once on a 1988 era DOS machine?
26:00 back in 1988 they were talking about GBit connections speeds and I am stuck at home with 20Mb internet connection in 2021 Something is not right or is it?
Nothing is wrong if you're rural, but in 1988 gigabit speeds were a dream for just unless you were government or something. The Internet didn't even exist yet back then
GM was using all those computers to make the W-body, which debuted in 1989.
4:15 "At least part of the success of the ADD-IN card has to be the DROP-IN price." Hah, I see what she did there.
I bought an add-on board for connecting a joystick controller for playing Windows PC video games on my computer. However unfortunately I found out that the later versions of Windows no longer support this type of game controller. So I have an add-on board that I cannot use. 😢
@5.10: Wow, i did not know that Huey Lewis was in the Computer Business before he made Music.
Thanks God I was not part of this as my first PC was a Pentium 166 MMX and 32 MB RAM in 1997...
Still, that is nothing compared to now or even 10 years later in 2007.... You would have been happy with what you had in 1988
The AI marketing on the net today is so heavy that i had to go to the command line the other day just to get around all the junk . . . go figure.
happens all the time now days I remember back in the day when that shit never happened cause no one had yet figured that shit out yet
ahh back when you needed a sound card as an addon board before they became part of the mobo those were the dark ages of computers back then
Computing as a hobby was a horrifically expensive hobby back then if you wanted the best most recent technology that we take for granted today. It's why I have little fond memories of this era because I could not afford to get anything remotely modern and had to use very old equipment that was painfully slow.
@@oldtwinsna8347 makes you wonder though how cheap and small would a modernized 486 dx gaming pc be if you made one cause think about it if you did a die shrink to 7 nm that would let you condense the cpu and chip set into one chip not to mention what they could do with the sound card chips
True bro, albeit I feel some nostalgia
@@raven4k998 you do realize that add-on sound cards tend to be far superior to onboard sound chipsets right? Surely you’ve kept up with creative labs sound cards.
@@nyccollin it's the 21st century now kid grow up and accept that creative sound cards sound the same is on board sound mind you linux makes the sound a lot better sounding
16:19 - Here is a thing that frequently bugs me on this show.
"Let's run DIR in DOS, and here's how it looks at XT speeds, and here's how it looks at 386 speeds! Of course you wouldn't spend $1000 just to get faster DIR"
THEN WHY IS THAT YOUR DEMO?!?
It's like when Apple reps demo'ed the IIc+ and to show off the 4MHz speed they ran Math Blaster, and it was like "see how much faster? Of course that makes the game unplayable, so you wouldn't do that..."
Yeah, no, turbo mode on a IIc+ is all but worthless for games. Show Appleworks or GEOS or something!
Like, come on guys, figure out what is the good thing to demo, and demo that!
The AutoCAD example isn't necessarily one that everyone would relate to but it's very much a visual demo, you can see the computer doing something cool, and doing it faster.
The Lotus 1-2-3 example is less of a visual demo but it's one that more users would be able to relate to, since spreadsheets were a big killer app in the 80s.
Both were good examples IMO. So why waste time with DIR?
I imagine it was sort of a "Look. Your PC struggles at even the most *trivial* tasks without our product" thing.
@@ssokolow i mean it is a ligit example of how much faster the 386 was
if the dir if faster then what else is?
The apple one with math blaster was literally because apple didn't bother to bring their own apple software and the only thing they could find that showed any easy to see difference was a producers daughter's copy of math blaster. Stewart has talked about it, it was a last minute fix because apple didn't give a damn about the ] [ or the ] [c etc
5:31 - "What is the difference between extended memory and expanded memory?"
Ugh... I had DOS PCs back in the day, dealt with all this nonsense and I still can't keep it straight in my head. Like they're called "Extended" and "Expanded" and they both start with the letter "E" and with the "X" sound and so they're XMS and EMS... What always threw me was that I thought EMS ("Expanded memory") was the better, more desirable one, but I guess it's actually just the more compatible one because the EMS driver can usually be configured to auto-provision space as needed, so if you have EMS set up then you're compatible with both XMS and EMS software...
Apple telling you what's best in your PC since 1984 LOL
No Apple doesn’t. The hosts spoke to how Apple designs products as appliances (and they have options for installing what you want - that’s what the Mac Pro is for). You can still replace basic parts and build to order, but their philosophy isn’t exclusive - if you don’t like what they’re doing, there are other choices. That’s how the market works.
In fact as Apple has progressed through the years, they’ve become more open, specifically in the software side. If they were really about locking you down, they wouldn’t use an OS based around even more open standards than when this was originally filmed.
But hey, spitting out stupid comments is way easier than understanding nuance.
@@BlownMacTruck Apple's continued success shows that there must be some benefit to the customers with their more closed approach.
@@BlownMacTruck it's extremely easy to be an apple shill if you're rich
@@jr2904 What does that even mean in this context?
I remember Jameco. Never bought from them, though.
They were and still are a good company. Sometimes I miss their phone book sized catalogs.
I still buy components from them.
Ominous that Columbia was featured. Spooky.
Now if there were add-on cards for the Rotary Phone including a camera module.
Jeeez that made my brain stutter as bad as Maria.
Now, if there were add-on cards for the Rotary Phone, including a camera module.*
I helped my uncle jack off a horse.
I helped my uncle jack, off a horse.
Less time on Minecraft, more time with books.
does anyone still use add on boards
dude, they are very common....
graphics cards,
ethernet adaptors,
wifi adaptors
etc....
but now pci and pci express are the buses
I'm sorry I forgot about graphics card but Internet is built in to the motherboard now a days but I understand wi fi cards and also
Yeah but when these fails u need a PCI or USB one
Today you can perfectly use a computer without any thing plugged into the expansion slots
Yeah.i know nowdays chipset controle almost everythinhg
14:28 Intel Inboard the legendary
Used to have 5 add in cards. Now Im down to 2. Graphics and sound. Because onboard of both SUCK. I do miss my internal 28.8 / 33.6 modem.
dir go vroom.
if you run the Duuuuur.... OMG LOL
I used Lotus 123 for budget up until 1994. My Acer ran it fine.
I tried it found my first virus on it and cleaned it off the install discs those were the good old days shitty ms dos anti virus scanner was worthless couldn't find the virus like norton could
@@raven4k998 My first vírus that I knew off was "Stonned Angelina", circa 1995. I think Norton was What I used at the time, too. But it came from a cousins floppy disk.
Jameco! Man I haven't heard that name since watching Colin's Lab videos years ago on youtube
Add on beards? Weird CC episode!
Anno 2016, we still don't have ultranet,lol.