***A couple of things I never demo'd here*** 1. Patching the ADSR into the AR routing on the VCA mixer gives a much greater max release.. from around 4s to over 20s! The 2 inputs to the mixer are labelled as linear and exponential, so give different results, but I hadn't realised quite how ,much ;) 2. The electric switch works both ways sending C to A then B as well as sending A then B to C. I think that's about it... but will add anything if anyone spots other omissions.
Kudos to you mate! Thanks for this in depth walk through. I just got a Blue Marvin version. I was lucky enough to spend some time with a friend's 2600 back in the 70's, and I owned an original Odyssey, so I kind of knew my way around the ARP but you're the first person to explain the voltage processors in a musical way that I could finally understand. I never thought of using the envelope follower with a drum machine from my iPad modulating the VCF. Simply brilliant! Also thanks for using musical examples. It really shows the usefulness of some features that I never understood, or thought of using before. You've given me a lot of new avenues to explore.
For those concerned with how it looks it's worth noting that with this version of the 2600 the Halloween orange labeling seems to have been changed to brown. As far as I can tell this doesn't seem to be officially announced anywhere and many vendors are still showing the orange version in their pictures, so keep it in mind if you're thinking of buying one.
Yes totally. I have seen two recently and they are different shades of darker orange and the other is brown. Almost 2 different shades of brown. odd to start with then after a while I much prefer the not orange versions.
Just wanted to say thanks Starsky and really enjoyed the demo. Reading the comments has made me sad, mostly for you mate as there are some out of touch/ungrateful people wasting their/your time typing attention seeking nonsense. They are the exception- not the norm...keep smiling and don’t change what your doing.
W00t - been waiting for your review. So worth it! I got the Blue Marvin version, going through the patch book. While I've been synthing for awhile now, this would be a great first synth.
Great review. Nice, friendly and informal but with a lot of technical depth. Usually you get one or the other but seldom you get both. So well done :-)
I’m making too many comments, but that was a great vid. I’ve had the 2600 since November so it didn’t tell me much I didn’t know, but it’s a really good intro to the way it works. Nice job.
great timing!- just bought one off ebay tonight- was looking at new and there where + 10 in stock at a uk seller but that seems to have changed litraly in days to pre order- weirdly , anyway great video as always- hope some one lends you an origional id like to here a comparison
I received a B2600 y'day for my 69th birthday from someone very close to my heart -ME. It's still unopened cos I was too pissed from celebrating to carry it in my cave so will try it later today. By the way are you Blue or Red ??
Man this one is really fun to mess around with.. slide up saw VCO3 (only) in mixer.slide FM control from VCO2 on VCO3 all the way up. slide FM control from VCO1 on VCO2. slide S&H FM Control on VCO1. mess with S&H rate. This is R2D2. have fun.
During this winter I bought two relatively expensive quality instruments from an actual store, which were constantly out of stock over at thomann - and I didn't pay any extra. People should support their local dealerships.
@@Stopinvadingmyhardware Yeah, I don't know why you are asking from me but isn't it obvious - synthesizer. Music made with synthesizers is a product of various forms of synthesis for example from mixing voltage controlling and various waveforms together to make sounds, or synthesizing analogs for various instruments. There is a whole heap of guitar effects, which do exactly the same thing.
Great overview! I hope someone loans you an ARP or KARP version. Did anyone else here see Biting Eye's 3-way ARP/KARP/BARP comparison before he took it down? In his case, the BARP sounded closer to his original than the KARP did. For someone with all 3, he seems to be using the BARP most in his recent videos, I would guess because it is more self-contained and sits on the table without having to have a keyboard attached, so it seems more convenient to sequence and modulate than the others.
I know a person who’s a total 2600 freak who was asked by Korg to check out their version, they said Korg got it surprisingly wrong with the envelopes and filters. For that price, there’s not really an excuse for getting it wrong.
Behringer has announced they will be LOWERING the prices of all of their synths by up to 60%. Behringer is insane. Just think about the stark contrast between Behringer and a company like Teenage Engineering who is doubling prices. Behringer is probably the coolest synth company on earth.
These videos are my own version of meditation. Thank you sir. :) Dumb question: what exactly is different in the Blue Marvin & Grey Meanie? Is it just the reverb unit?
Yeah, just the reverb really. They say there are better capacitors in the filter but I tested and couldn’t hear much if anything. I’ve made a video comparing you can search for
I'm watching this with my BRAND NEW BEHRINGER 2600!!! it's still in the box !! I'm watching this as I unbox with you hahaha. I waited about a year for this!!
Hi Starsky, a good tip for vibrato via the mod wheel... if your controller keyboard has a mod output plug this into one side of your RingMod input. Take the vibrato out from the 2600 to the other RingMod input. Set RingMod to DC. Now take the RingMod output to the 'Ext Vib in'. Your Mod wheel will now control the amount of the LFO send to the oscillators as the RingMod is now effectively a VCA with the two input signals
@@StarskyCarr I figured out something that I feel is important! If you have the 2600 face up under a ceiling fan, the VCOs will never stay perfectly in tune! You can actually just wave you hand in front of the VCO sliders, you can hear them fluctuating. Was driving me crazy, and I thought I had a defective 2600. Gotta love VCOs! I have learned so much from your videos, and plan to hit the patroon page next. Thanks again for the wonderful and informative videos! I watch them nightly! Cheers!👍
The two VCA inputs are different. The one on the left is linear and the one on the right is exponential. If you want longer sweepier release tones patch the ADSR to the left VCA input and whack up the release. The EXP input on the right is better for quicker attacks. This is the same as the original. (Also the second input into the VCA (the one normaled to the Ring Mod) is a secret inverter)
Nice info. The exp and linear are labelled, but the ring mod input inverter on the VCA isn’t. Took me ages to find that, but I demo it in my HP/BP video. It’s so useful but quite hidden.
@@ogasi1798 :) can't complain with Subsequent 37CV and Polybrute on my table, but yes, a real ARP2600 and MoogMini is a pair I'd would love to play what Depeche Mode did decades ago :) (also a common pairing in my tracks)
@@peterldelong hehe, and for us programmers, only poking screen with a finger, korg gadget app on the phone :) btw, i don't mean any insult for the behringer users (as to behringer itself ripping off, chasing easy profit, I don't support for several reasons), but yes, anyone can choose there own poison :)
@@samprock as in Behringer, bringing extremely overpriced instruments and equipment to the average person to explore sounds without spending 5 to 10 grand.
Note that the panel graphics are misleading - you can't use an external clock on the electric switch. It's internally clocked only, although I gather it's fairly easy to modify the circuit.
The panel graphics were wrong on the first batch, as they also are on the Korg version and all but the last ARP versions. They have redone the labels on the blue and grey and also the latest Xmas tree versions.
man my focal shape 65's didn't pick up on that low frequency until it was closing in on 40hz. I went back out over my 18" JBL subwoofer pair that I have for PA and *those* sure as hell made the concrete slab I'm on shake though. lol! Great video, thanks for covering the basics. I got a Gray Meanie 2600 mounted today, damn thing is intimidating me! :)
0:59 at Sweetwater here in the US, we get a little packet of sweets. Whenever I buy anything from them, I usually bypass the synth or whatever and go after the sweets 😂
The long decay/release time has to come from the eg controlling the volume. If the filter envelope is set long decay/release but the volume one is set to LESS release time then the release time is governed by the volume envelope times and not the envelope controlling the filter.
I’ve got a more in depth tutorial on the envelopes on its way - recorded it today. Best way to increase it is to use the linear VCA input with the ADSR ... over 20 seconds of release.
I'm eagerly waiting for my Blue Marvin so show up... I'll be waiting until July, sadly. Awesome demo, I'd love to see an all 2600 jam vid!! That thing sounds amazing!
I recently purchased TD-3 and Crave to create some kind of hardware version of Rebirth RB-338, still missing the RD-9 and then an additional lead synth. I have looked at Pro1, K-2, Neutron, CAT and whatnot but then I found this review. I was ready to add the K-2 but this is kind of next level device. Sounds as angry as the K-2 but adds oscillator sync and lots of other things. Thank you!
oh ma, I'm half way through and I have a serious question . how did you get the audio out of the iPad? is that an old one with the 1/8 jack? and do you think that the input sound and the 2600 sound are muddied from being mixed together? I find that thing going on in my Soma Pulsar 23. And let me say, that in the few hours I've had with it, the Pulsar 23 and 2600 go together really nice. I'm already realizing that the 2600 stands in its own place in a mix. that is one of the difficult things of using a bunch of synths and drum machines , to get them to stand on their own. but killer vid bro.
I never realised my iPad was so old! but yes, it has a standard audio output. The sounds definitely aren't muddied by being mixed in the 2600... but if you mix 2 muddy sounds then yeah ;).
It just depends where you are in the list I suppose. I tried Andertons but their waiting list was even longer in Jan. I wonder whether people drop off when they find another etc?
@@StarskyCarr I think they must have had a series of deliveries, and they must have fulfilled their waiting list. Thanks for the video. I'm still learning how to get the most out of the 2600 and there's a few nice and clear examples of patch options in your video that gave me new ideas to try.
OH just another little comment :) With the electric switch, A, B and C can all be inputs or outputs. You can send an input to C then it will alternate outputting it to A or B. Can be used for some really interesting effects! You can of course use audio or modulation signals for any of these or a mix of both!!
Yeah.. I think I edited the sentence out where I remarked on this at the end of that section. Probably a cat crying in the background or something had to go!! then I forgot to add in my annotations duh!. Thanks for the comment.
... (the patch inputs) ..."basically override the text in the box???" Sorry, I'm a bit confused on that comment. Are you referring to the reference manual?
Ooh that formant filter sound is lovely. I hardly ever use the hardwired source on that filter input, I always patch something like the sample and hold into it, but it’s a really nice sound.
I have a TTSH which I built myself and it sounds pretty much the same to me, and Mate, its a 2600 for £500. Buy your own patch cables with the £4k you didnt spend on an original one.😂 You can also take those green and blue leds out and swap for all reds if you want it to look more authentic..
Haha you’re right about the patch cables... just thought I’d mention it as some folks might not have them. I really like the orange LEDS... I might have a look at how to do that at some point.
Hi I watch all your videos I really enjoyed them and you are very good with the synths brilliant, can I ask you Im looking to buy another synth what do you think between the behringer 2600 or poly d, I allready got an odyssey can you help I'm confused thanks 👍🎼
Thanks :) That's a tough one. I'm not surprised you're confused! I've had more fun with the 2600, and as you've got a keyboard you can use that to play the 2600... but the PolyD would give you a different tone. Overall I find myself leaning more toward the 2600.
Thanks a lot for this amazing walkthrough! One question that I have, is the Blue Marvin and Grey Meanie versions worth it over this? I can only get my hands on the black and orange version I want to know if the extra 100$ is worth it including the wait. Thanks
It just so happens I’ve made a demo comparing them: Behringer 2600 Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie vs Black & Orange: review, and comparison th-cam.com/video/7OGgBPVMoCQ/w-d-xo.html
@@StarskyCarr I saw it not long after i made this comment! You're the man! You've sold me a Deepmind 12, Behringer Odyessey and now a Black and Orange 2600 is on the way! Thanks for all the hard work that you do!
Hmmmmmmm?! So, IF there’s a “quick start guide”, is it safe to conclude from this the existence of a proper “user’s manual”? As in, one with more than 12 pages?! Eeeeeehhhh. The APP??! I’ve forgotten the APP! I counted 78 of those sliding faders on that one, so I’ll go ahead and order 80 of the great covers for those LED sliders that make them much less fragile and a little less visible. Now I WAIT, as I have been informed that for now, my 2600 isn’t shipping until middle of June?!! The horror!! I’ll watch your video and play pretend to myself that I am you!! THANKS AGAIN FOR SHARING!!
Download the original Arp2600 manual it’s basically a guide to synthesis and runs through about 100 pages. Read that cover to cover before June and you’ll already be an expert when you open the box :)
@@StarskyCarr AAHH. HA HA!! That’s right!! David Friend, Thomas Piggoti, and Alan wrote a textbook titled ‘Learning Music With Synthesizers’ that was quite comprehensive because they were selling the things to schools. So the aim there was to publish a book, and the textbook serves as a sort of bait to sell the synth to the music department at some college, where in those days synths hadn’t been experienced, even by many musicians. So I easily found facsimiles in pdf format of the textbook, user’s manual, service manual, and patch book!! THANKS for the suggestion!!
Great demo as always. Going to resist buying this one for as long as I can. I kinda like that Behringer has their own sound, actually. I don’t need it to sound like an original. Just some feedback for the sake of getting the most out of monetization. the ad placement made it pretty tough for me to watch through the mobile app. Was way too frequent for me to not switch on my adblocker. Some of those ads can run for 20 minutes too, and even back to back, so one might watch 3 hrs of ads to your 20 minute video, which makes your video more like a commercial than vice versa. 😂 it was just way to frequent. Got me frustrated even. People will probably tell me to shut up for even mentioning it, but I appreciate your videos and trying to support you. I could just turn on my adblocker, which doesn’t help you. I do believe it is enough to make you lose traffic and viewing time. I could not watch this and do something in the kitchen for example. Hope that is helpful feedback. Cheers.
Thanks I’ve had a few comment on the ads already. I’ve left them in for the first time ie left with TH-cam’s automated system everyone uses. I normally go I to this and manually delete most of them... but almost every other vid I see leaves them in... so am I throwing income away needlessly.. got to experiment with the system sometimes to find the right balance.... can’t you just skip them after scout event of seconds anyway? I can!? Thanks though... useful feedback.
I don't mind ads at the start and end, but recently youtube is getting v aggressive. 10x 2 ads through your vid here. Just for info. Keep them on or off, I'll still watch, always quality vids man 👍
Enjoyed that. Cheers. It looks like this does a fair bit more than an odyssey, so will probably grab this over the korg/arp odyssey module. Seems to be better value overall. Just curious, there is no way to sync the odyssey to a DAW no?
There’s a section showing a workaround near the end. Nothing via MIDI. If you send something from the DAW into the preamp you can use that as a trig/envelope/LFO. I use a drum loop to demo the basics
@@StarskyCarr well it arrived today :-) The first filter in the Korg Odyssey is quite a beast. And this filter is not on the 2600. I may keep them both. After an evening of playing with it I’ve heard the complete Depeche Mode Speak and spell and A broke frame album replicated. Those albums where mostly done on the 2600.
37:50 - I've almost gone to sleep until this LOUD moment :)))) I think it's better to check audio tracks (at least graphically) in your video editors before rendering the whole video.
I did.. then again.. then again... Every time I watch through takes 45 minutes... No idea what happened there. very annoying. This was about draft 10.. and none of the others did this...Aaargh :)
@@StarskyCarr oh! ) Maybe you've accidently touched some point in the volume's graph. Or maybe you've accidently doubled the audio track. Depends on the editor... probably some of them makes this mistake very possible.
@@KiR_3d Stuff like this normally happens when I'm adding the annotations. I start typing and FCPX hasn't caught up yet.. and every letter I type is a shortcut key!! so all sorts of madness happens and I have to undo until it all looks normal!! A right pain once you've finished and are adding little extras.. because as I say to find everything takes another 45 minutes ...urgh!
How do people patch up that preamp kick drum effect, as used by Vince Clarke and Depeche Mode amongst others? I have got as far as output of the VCF into preamp, but I'm not sure where next...
Hey Starsky - great review. You looked at and demonstrated sections which other reviews didn't. I lusted after an ARP 2600 back in the day but I've been getting into modular and have a Moog Grandmother semi-modular and I'm wondering if this would bring anything new to the party. Got any thoughts on that?
It'd be a nice addition to the GM. especially as this has no sequencer or arpeggiator. I've had a little play with the 2 of them together... just t check how they played together.
@@StarskyCarr Oooooh, that sounds great. Video please :-) I think the Grandmother would fit into any modular system but I was mainly wondering about the benefit of adding a 2600 to an existing modular system. Yes, it depends on what's in your modular :-) but I have Oscs and filters, etc. Possibly the biggest benefit is that you get lots of 'modules' in the 2600 for your money. Decisions, decisions...
@@IanWaugh I you're looking to add extra functionality to some semi modular and modular bits, I'd take a look at what you could get for a similar cost. It might bring more adventurous patches... but could also be the start of a slipper slope!
@@StarskyCarr Too late! I'm half way down the slope already :-) For the £££ I could get maybe 2, possibly 3 modules which is why the Behringer is attractive. In terms of functionality, though, I guess it doesn't add anything. I think I'm looking for an excuse to buy one :-( I should have practised more with my guitar... :-)
Wow... The orange and red one has been showing as being available for ages on Thomann.... I got my Gray Meanie from them two weeks ago! Now showing delivery date unknown..
@@StarskyCarr It was exactly on the 11th Feb. I'm 99% certain Thomann first put them up on their website that day too so I must have been very early to have put the order in. They must be the first batch. The spring reverb is quite noisy though, as you would expect....
There's no companion app as far as I'm aware - unless you're taking about the synthtribe app that works with all the Behringer synths. I simply use a free iPhone app for tuning all my analogs.
Thanks for the great video but is there any way you can reduce the frequency of the adverts? This one kinda felt like a series of commercials with synth breaks in between. :-(
its really not up to Starsky...Those damn Zoot´s has the ungodly Utubular Ball´s to take us all for commercial prisoners , OR pay 10 quids a month, to be freed of there evil planet wreaking propaganda,-of "Buy more Useless crap" or else....
Since Brexit it's now cheaper to buy from the UK than it is to buy from Thomann. I bought an Elektron Analog Rytm and a Behringer Neutron a couple of weeks ago from Thomann and they wanted an additional £340 or so for Vat and import duty so the whole deal would have ended up costing me about £150 more than if I had bough them here in the UK. I had them sent back and I'm now waiting for a refund from Thomann. Thomann are talking massive losses over this as it obviously costs them money to have goods shipped back. An utterly ridiculous situation.
It’s not released yet... only completed it yesterday. But may be Patreons only in the end. it’s a little too focussed as an out an out quick tutorial for this channel I think.
I’ve almost canceled my sweetwater pre-order a dozen times. It’s taking MUCH longer than promised and I start wondering if I need it at all (I don’t). And yet, I continue waiting.
lol right there with ya buddy just sitting here. w my preorder. chillin. waitin. wondering. watching reviews of this thing... figuring out what kinda rack I need to make it vertical lol
Stay with the plan 😂 ... Ill be with my headphones and fireworks will be going off outside... July I hope... lol...I'vee heard nothing, but good things about this one.
Dude. That’s where I ordered mine from (just last week), and they really don’t want me to cancel the order, but my hunch is that they’d have it as quick as anyone else. The bad news was in the first notice I received was to inform me that we are looking into Mid-JULY!!??! I guess they’re feeling some of the microchip lead-times that have been plaguing automobile companies lately?? That’s what I got in my e-mail on this last Tuesday (April 6 or 7?)... so that’s the bad news they gave me. Was supposed to be my birthday present, so it’ll be for my half way b-day instead. Hang in there!
No ideaZ you need to check if the tip is positive or negative - I can’t remember what the 2600 uses. The ampage is the amount of power it can supply … so as long as it’s at least the minimum it’ll work. But you can’t use a 12v power supply in a 9v synth etc. Is voltage and positivity need to be the same the milliamps or amps need to be at least the stated value (more is no problem).
Hi Starsky, Thanks for a great review and walkthrough of the Behringer 2600. I also just bought one but I can’t figure out how to NOT let the synth make Sound all the time. In your video the synth only sounds when you play the keyboard, Can you help me out?
Initial gain should be down... as should the VCF input to the main out. The VCF is patched into the VCA - so turn it up there.. and modulate with the AR or ADSR.. then only turn up the VCA to the main output.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks a lot! I have been struggling with this issue since I've got the synth. Just saw your video on the Ring Mod section and it was also very inspiring and usefull, please keep them coming :)
Difficult. I love the Pro1 but wish they had a full sized version. The Monopoly to me is ‘special’ as I now have a MonoPoly! I have the Minimoog so Poly D lacks the excitement - although I’m planning on putting the Poly D against the MinoPoly. So this or the MP for me. I have an Odyssey so leaning toward the MP. lucky me :)
***A couple of things I never demo'd here***
1. Patching the ADSR into the AR routing on the VCA mixer gives a much greater max release.. from around 4s to over 20s! The 2 inputs to the mixer are labelled as linear and exponential, so give different results, but I hadn't realised quite how ,much ;)
2. The electric switch works both ways sending C to A then B as well as sending A then B to C.
I think that's about it... but will add anything if anyone spots other omissions.
Kudos to you mate! Thanks for this in depth walk through. I just got a Blue Marvin version. I was lucky enough to spend some time with a friend's 2600 back in the 70's, and I owned an original Odyssey, so I kind of knew my way around the ARP but you're the first person to explain the voltage processors in a musical way that I could finally understand. I never thought of using the envelope follower with a drum machine from my iPad modulating the VCF. Simply brilliant! Also thanks for using musical examples. It really shows the usefulness of some features that I never understood, or thought of using before. You've given me a lot of new avenues to explore.
For those concerned with how it looks it's worth noting that with this version of the 2600 the Halloween orange labeling seems to have been changed to brown. As far as I can tell this doesn't seem to be officially announced anywhere and many vendors are still showing the orange version in their pictures, so keep it in mind if you're thinking of buying one.
Yes totally. I have seen two recently and they are different shades of darker orange and the other is brown. Almost 2 different shades of brown. odd to start with then after a while I much prefer the not orange versions.
damn i like the orange
not a fan of the xmas lights, like halloween and xmas had a fling in Vegas, but may get over it...
You and Daniel Fisher are by far the best synth demonstrators on TH-cam.
Including Nick Batt as well.
Running it through the preamp is next level. just tried it and it's unleashed the beast inside the crazy Christmas tree
Just wanted to say thanks Starsky and really enjoyed the demo. Reading the comments has made me sad, mostly for you mate as there are some out of touch/ungrateful people wasting their/your time typing attention seeking nonsense.
They are the exception- not the norm...keep smiling and don’t change what your doing.
W00t - been waiting for your review. So worth it! I got the Blue Marvin version, going through the patch book. While I've been synthing for awhile now, this would be a great first synth.
Going through the patch book is a great way to learn this synth.
Behringer are really doing great stuff with their remake/clones😊
Great review. Nice, friendly and informal but with a lot of technical depth. Usually you get one or the other but seldom you get both. So well done :-)
I’m making too many comments, but that was a great vid. I’ve had the 2600 since November so it didn’t tell me much I didn’t know, but it’s a really good intro to the way it works. Nice job.
copyright strike for a frequency sweep made my day
I've been waiting for this one from you😁
I hope it doesn’t disappoint!! Always nervous !! 😂
@@StarskyCarr I would be nervous if it was sitting in front if me too. But you really get to grips with it fast.
great timing!- just bought one off ebay tonight- was looking at new and there where + 10 in stock at a uk seller but that seems to have changed litraly in days to pre order- weirdly , anyway great video as always- hope some one lends you an origional id like to here a comparison
I received a B2600 y'day for my 69th birthday from someone very close to my heart
-ME.
It's still unopened cos I was too pissed from celebrating to carry it in my cave so will try it later today.
By the way are you Blue or Red ??
Thank you very much Starsky Carr for your clear explanations about what it seamed to me an untamable beast.
You're a good teacher !
GREAT Video!!! I just ordered one. Currently awaiting its arrival.
This video is bloody useful when starting with the 2600. Great stuff!
19:02
Wow that was low. I could definitely hear that on my Sennheiser HD650 headphones.
Yes. I am an actual whale who lives in the ocean and I really liked listening to these low frequencies
Man this one is really fun to mess around with.. slide up saw VCO3 (only) in mixer.slide FM control from VCO2 on VCO3 all the way up. slide FM control from VCO1 on VCO2. slide S&H FM Control on VCO1. mess with S&H rate. This is R2D2. have fun.
During this winter I bought two relatively expensive quality instruments from an actual store, which were constantly out of stock over at thomann - and I didn't pay any extra. People should support their local dealerships.
I live in Guitar country. What’s a synthesis device?
@@Stopinvadingmyhardware Yeah, I don't know why you are asking from me but isn't it obvious - synthesizer. Music made with synthesizers is a product of various forms of synthesis for example from mixing voltage controlling and various waveforms together to make sounds, or synthesizing analogs for various instruments. There is a whole heap of guitar effects, which do exactly the same thing.
Another one to order!
Thanks for demonstration of this synth, I was watching from last year !
Great overview! I hope someone loans you an ARP or KARP version. Did anyone else here see Biting Eye's 3-way ARP/KARP/BARP comparison before he took it down? In his case, the BARP sounded closer to his original than the KARP did. For someone with all 3, he seems to be using the BARP most in his recent videos, I would guess because it is more self-contained and sits on the table without having to have a keyboard attached, so it seems more convenient to sequence and modulate than the others.
I know a person who’s a total 2600 freak who was asked by Korg to check out their version, they said Korg got it surprisingly wrong with the envelopes and filters. For that price, there’s not really an excuse for getting it wrong.
Behringer has announced they will be LOWERING the prices of all of their synths by up to 60%. Behringer is insane. Just think about the stark contrast between Behringer and a company like Teenage Engineering who is doubling prices. Behringer is probably the coolest synth company on earth.
I can't be bothered waiting for synths to warm up but popping them in the oven to 5 minutes is nice.
30 seconds in the microwave should suffice.
These videos are my own version of meditation. Thank you sir. :) Dumb question: what exactly is different in the Blue Marvin & Grey Meanie? Is it just the reverb unit?
Yeah, just the reverb really. They say there are better capacitors in the filter but I tested and couldn’t hear much if anything. I’ve made a video comparing you can search for
@@StarskyCarr Thank you. Will def check those out. Trying to decide between the 3 models, so that will certainly help with the decision :)
@@johnghadimi For me it all came down to the colour... :)
@@StarskyCarr haha. Totally get it. I personally feel the Grey is easier on the eyes, but this is all subjective.
@@johnghadimiI know… I wish I’d gone for the grey myself 😂
That last minute sounded so awesome!
Enjoyable as ever lots of fun to be had with this :)
I'm watching this with my BRAND NEW BEHRINGER 2600!!! it's still in the box !! I'm watching this as I unbox with you hahaha. I waited about a year for this!!
Whoah... a year!! I waited 6 or 7 months and thought that was bad!
Great stuff as always - I fear I am reaching for the wallet already.
Hi Starsky, a good tip for vibrato via the mod wheel... if your controller keyboard has a mod output plug this into one side of your RingMod input. Take the vibrato out from the 2600 to the other RingMod input. Set RingMod to DC. Now take the RingMod output to the 'Ext Vib in'. Your Mod wheel will now control the amount of the LFO send to the oscillators as the RingMod is now effectively a VCA with the two input signals
Cool.
You should be the opening act for Tangerine Dream! @29:52 amazing !!!!! @42:21 sounds like Rabbit in the Moon - Subconscious
FANTASTIC! Watching it again! Thanks for this brilliant tutorial. Going to order today. Hopefully it won’t take 5 months! Thanks for all the tips! 👍😀
Fingers crossed!
@@StarskyCarr I figured out something that I feel is important! If you have the 2600 face up under a ceiling fan, the VCOs will never stay perfectly in tune! You can actually just wave you hand in front of the VCO sliders, you can hear them fluctuating. Was driving me crazy, and I thought I had a defective 2600. Gotta love VCOs! I have learned so much from your videos, and plan to hit the patroon page next. Thanks again for the wonderful and informative videos! I watch them nightly! Cheers!👍
The two VCA inputs are different. The one on the left is linear and the one on the right is exponential. If you want longer sweepier release tones patch the ADSR to the left VCA input and whack up the release. The EXP input on the right is better for quicker attacks. This is the same as the original. (Also the second input into the VCA (the one normaled to the Ring Mod) is a secret inverter)
Nice info. The exp and linear are labelled, but the ring mod input inverter on the VCA isn’t. Took me ages to find that, but I demo it in my HP/BP video. It’s so useful but quite hidden.
I don't behringer, but this is one of my fav synth to mess with, arturia or gadget :) Enjoyed!
you are missing out ;-)
@@ogasi1798 :) can't complain with Subsequent 37CV and Polybrute on my table, but yes, a real ARP2600 and MoogMini is a pair I'd would love to play what Depeche Mode did decades ago :) (also a common pairing in my tracks)
For us the serfs, Behringer.
@@peterldelong hehe, and for us programmers, only poking screen with a finger, korg gadget app on the phone :)
btw, i don't mean any insult for the behringer users (as to behringer itself ripping off, chasing easy profit, I don't support for several reasons), but yes, anyone can choose there own poison :)
@@samprock as in Behringer, bringing extremely overpriced instruments and equipment to the average person to explore sounds without spending 5 to 10 grand.
Note that the panel graphics are misleading - you can't use an external clock on the electric switch. It's internally clocked only, although I gather it's fairly easy to modify the circuit.
I’ll have to check that out.
The panel graphics were wrong on the first batch, as they also are on the Korg version and all but the last ARP versions. They have redone the labels on the blue and grey and also the latest Xmas tree versions.
man my focal shape 65's didn't pick up on that low frequency until it was closing in on 40hz. I went back out over my 18" JBL subwoofer pair that I have for PA and *those* sure as hell made the concrete slab I'm on shake though. lol!
Great video, thanks for covering the basics. I got a Gray Meanie 2600 mounted today, damn thing is intimidating me! :)
0:59 at Sweetwater here in the US, we get a little packet of sweets. Whenever I buy anything from them, I usually bypass the synth or whatever and go after the sweets 😂
The legendary sweetwater 🍬 🍬🍬
The long decay/release time has to come from the eg controlling the volume.
If the filter envelope is set long decay/release but the volume one is set to LESS release time then the release time is governed by the volume envelope times and not the envelope controlling the filter.
I’ve got a more in depth tutorial on the envelopes on its way - recorded it today. Best way to increase it is to use the linear VCA input with the ADSR ... over 20 seconds of release.
Was waiting for this. Nice one!!!!!
Thanks for the upload man!
My 2600 included a set of 6(?, don't remember exactly) patch cables, sufficient for the first steps.
I'm eagerly waiting for my Blue Marvin so show up... I'll be waiting until July, sadly. Awesome demo, I'd love to see an all 2600 jam vid!! That thing sounds amazing!
Was it worth the wait? I'm hovering above the Buy Now button.
Fun watching this after spending a year with mine.
So...why do some describe the colors as being black and orange? I see brown and orange.
I get mine next week. Managed to get one on eBay and can't wait. Been following your feed for ages and desperate to see you do the 2600 👍
Thanks. I hope it’s useful.
@@StarskyCarr yes very useful. You should do some training videos, I'd pay to learn it properly.
I recently purchased TD-3 and Crave to create some kind of hardware version of Rebirth RB-338, still missing the RD-9 and then an additional lead synth. I have looked at Pro1, K-2, Neutron, CAT and whatnot but then I found this review. I was ready to add the K-2 but this is kind of next level device. Sounds as angry as the K-2 but adds oscillator sync and lots of other things. Thank you!
i love the bass sounds from 2600.
There is something wrong with the Reverb tone around 30:00. The Reverb is completely disappear in Mono. Nice vid btw! :-)
Yet again, another awesome walkthrough on a piece of kit.
oh ma, I'm half way through and I have a serious question . how did you get the audio out of the iPad? is that an old one with the 1/8 jack? and do you think that the input sound and the 2600 sound are muddied from being mixed together? I find that thing going on in my Soma Pulsar 23. And let me say, that in the few hours I've had with it, the Pulsar 23 and 2600 go together really nice. I'm already realizing that the 2600 stands in its own place in a mix. that is one of the difficult things of using a bunch of synths and drum machines , to get them to stand on their own. but killer vid bro.
I never realised my iPad was so old! but yes, it has a standard audio output. The sounds definitely aren't muddied by being mixed in the 2600... but if you mix 2 muddy sounds then yeah ;).
Wish i had the multi coloured LED'S on my Blue Marv.
aren't spring reverbs too delicate to be practical? I would rather stick with the digital version.
Not if you only drop it every now and then 😂
I got mine in February, delivered three days after I ordered it from Andertons.
It just depends where you are in the list I suppose. I tried Andertons but their waiting list was even longer in Jan. I wonder whether people drop off when they find another etc?
@@StarskyCarr I think they must have had a series of deliveries, and they must have fulfilled their waiting list. Thanks for the video. I'm still learning how to get the most out of the 2600 and there's a few nice and clear examples of patch options in your video that gave me new ideas to try.
Ordered loads from Thoman, always got my extra plugs that was last June/July.
OH just another little comment :) With the electric switch, A, B and C can all be inputs or outputs. You can send an input to C then it will alternate outputting it to A or B. Can be used for some really interesting effects! You can of course use audio or modulation signals for any of these or a mix of both!!
Yeah.. I think I edited the sentence out where I remarked on this at the end of that section. Probably a cat crying in the background or something had to go!! then I forgot to add in my annotations duh!. Thanks for the comment.
great detail review as always a lot of synthesis components!
yes! yes! the best reviewer on YT
... (the patch inputs) ..."basically override the text in the box???" Sorry, I'm a bit confused on that comment. Are you referring to the reference manual?
When you plug something into the CV socket it overrides the default setting.
been waiting for your review of this
Got some nice sound demos coming tomorrow as well :)
You're so lucky... but that sounds about right.... ordered in Jan was updated now grrrr....July... Thank you for providing a thorough preview.
Thanks for a great walkthrough! Yeah, duplicating the main outs on the back would've been really nice. But it am what it am.
Can’t be too hard to do a mod for that...
I'll order it now for next Christmas.
I waited even longer when I got the option of upgrading my order to the Blue Marvin :) Well worth the wait though.
Ooh that formant filter sound is lovely. I hardly ever use the hardwired source on that filter input, I always patch something like the sample and hold into it, but it’s a really nice sound.
I have a TTSH which I built myself and it sounds pretty much the same to me, and Mate, its a 2600 for £500. Buy your own patch cables with the £4k you didnt spend on an original one.😂 You can also take those green and blue leds out and swap for all reds if you want it to look more authentic..
Haha you’re right about the patch cables... just thought I’d mention it as some folks might not have them. I really like the orange LEDS... I might have a look at how to do that at some point.
Thanks for the great review! Greetings from Germany :)
Great video. Could've skipped the detailed test of the mystery filter switch, tho. Expect it's more significant in transient response anyway.
Hi I watch all your videos I really enjoyed them and you are very good with the synths brilliant, can I ask you Im looking to buy another synth what do you think between the behringer 2600 or poly d, I allready got an odyssey can you help I'm confused thanks 👍🎼
Thanks :) That's a tough one. I'm not surprised you're confused! I've had more fun with the 2600, and as you've got a keyboard you can use that to play the 2600... but the PolyD would give you a different tone. Overall I find myself leaning more toward the 2600.
THX so much for this instructive video - and with british humor too ;-) - will play with my 2600 later!
Check out my other vids on it... some nice tips you may not have found yet.
Great stuff this as ever mate, am def glad I waited out for the Blue Marvin still mind!! still, for the $$ you cannot complain aye!! :-)
Thanks a lot for this amazing walkthrough! One question that I have, is the Blue Marvin and Grey Meanie versions worth it over this? I can only get my hands on the black and orange version I want to know if the extra 100$ is worth it including the wait. Thanks
It just so happens I’ve made a demo comparing them: Behringer 2600 Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie vs Black & Orange: review, and comparison th-cam.com/video/7OGgBPVMoCQ/w-d-xo.html
@@StarskyCarr I saw it not long after i made this comment! You're the man! You've sold me a Deepmind 12, Behringer Odyessey and now a Black and Orange 2600 is on the way! Thanks for all the hard work that you do!
Ugh the one part I've been searching for is skipped lol. hooking it to pc..connecting to audio interface.. the actual unboxing basically.
I wouldn’t know what to show tbh… plug the synth into the interface? Connect the interface to the PC … super simple.. That’s it.
Hmmmmmmm?! So, IF there’s a “quick start guide”, is it safe to conclude from this the existence of a proper “user’s manual”? As in, one with more than 12 pages?! Eeeeeehhhh. The APP??! I’ve forgotten the APP! I counted 78 of those sliding faders on that one, so I’ll go ahead and order 80 of the great covers for those LED sliders that make them much less fragile and a little less visible. Now I WAIT, as I have been informed that for now, my 2600 isn’t shipping until middle of June?!! The horror!! I’ll watch your video and play pretend to myself that I am you!! THANKS AGAIN FOR SHARING!!
Download the original Arp2600 manual it’s basically a guide to synthesis and runs through about 100 pages. Read that cover to cover before June and you’ll already be an expert when you open the box :)
@@StarskyCarr AAHH. HA HA!! That’s right!! David Friend, Thomas Piggoti, and Alan wrote a textbook titled ‘Learning Music With Synthesizers’ that was quite comprehensive because they were selling the things to schools. So the aim there was to publish a book, and the textbook serves as a sort of bait to sell the synth to the music department at some college, where in those days synths hadn’t been experienced, even by many musicians. So I easily found facsimiles in pdf format of the textbook, user’s manual, service manual, and patch book!! THANKS for the suggestion!!
super job Starsky - super synth this #behringer 2600
Great demo as always. Going to resist buying this one for as long as I can. I kinda like that Behringer has their own sound, actually. I don’t need it to sound like an original.
Just some feedback for the sake of getting the most out of monetization. the ad placement made it pretty tough for me to watch through the mobile app. Was way too frequent for me to not switch on my adblocker. Some of those ads can run for 20 minutes too, and even back to back, so one might watch 3 hrs of ads to your 20 minute video, which makes your video more like a commercial than vice versa. 😂 it was just way to frequent. Got me frustrated even. People will probably tell me to shut up for even mentioning it, but I appreciate your videos and trying to support you. I could just turn on my adblocker, which doesn’t help you. I do believe it is enough to make you lose traffic and viewing time. I could not watch this and do something in the kitchen for example. Hope that is helpful feedback. Cheers.
Thanks I’ve had a few comment on the ads already. I’ve left them in for the first time ie left with TH-cam’s automated system everyone uses. I normally go I to this and manually delete most of them... but almost every other vid I see leaves them in... so am I throwing income away needlessly.. got to experiment with the system sometimes to find the right balance.... can’t you just skip them after scout event of seconds anyway? I can!? Thanks though... useful feedback.
I don't mind ads at the start and end, but recently youtube is getting v aggressive. 10x 2 ads through your vid here. Just for info. Keep them on or off, I'll still watch, always quality vids man 👍
The footswitches on the back ,, you don't say whether you need a sustain or momentary type of switch.
It's arrived.... Woohooo!
Final tune sounds almost like a Paul Kalkbrenner intro :) Great review, thanks a lot!
thanks a lot for posting this.
Very nice mate. Lovely piece of kit.
Enjoyed that. Cheers. It looks like this does a fair bit more than an odyssey, so will probably grab this over the korg/arp odyssey module. Seems to be better value overall. Just curious, there is no way to sync the odyssey to a DAW no?
There’s a section showing a workaround near the end. Nothing via MIDI. If you send something from the DAW into the preamp you can use that as a trig/envelope/LFO. I use a drum loop to demo the basics
@@StarskyCarr Oh ya, I seen that. I meant can the korg odyssey be synced or are you actually talking about the korg odyssey ha?
Oh yeah... sorry. No 😂
@@StarskyCarr Ha, seals the deal then. 2600 it is so. Cheers
I have a Korg Odyssey but I’m thinking about also buying the ARP 2600. Would that make the Odyssey redundant?
A little bit yes tbh.
@@StarskyCarr well it arrived today :-) The first filter in the Korg Odyssey is quite a beast. And this filter is not on the 2600. I may keep them both. After an evening of playing with it I’ve heard the complete Depeche Mode Speak and spell and A broke frame album replicated. Those albums where mostly done on the 2600.
Not sure if you answered this before, but are you planning on comparing any of the behringer 2600s to the korg 2600 m? Thanks!
If I can get my hands in one I will. Coincidentally I was asking someone yesterday.
Great to hear! Hopefully you can get a hold of one soon. Looking forward to your comparison. Thanks for all your hard work!
37:50 - I've almost gone to sleep until this LOUD moment :)))) I think it's better to check audio tracks (at least graphically) in your video editors before rendering the whole video.
I did.. then again.. then again... Every time I watch through takes 45 minutes... No idea what happened there. very annoying. This was about draft 10.. and none of the others did this...Aaargh :)
@@StarskyCarr oh! ) Maybe you've accidently touched some point in the volume's graph. Or maybe you've accidently doubled the audio track. Depends on the editor... probably some of them makes this mistake very possible.
@@KiR_3d Stuff like this normally happens when I'm adding the annotations. I start typing and FCPX hasn't caught up yet.. and every letter I type is a shortcut key!! so all sorts of madness happens and I have to undo until it all looks normal!! A right pain once you've finished and are adding little extras.. because as I say to find everything takes another 45 minutes ...urgh!
May be a tad early to get a verdict but do you feel this Orange Grawler might be a keeper ?
I'll tell you after I've tried the Blue Marvin ;).. but one will be staying.
How do people patch up that preamp kick drum effect, as used by Vince Clarke and Depeche Mode amongst others? I have got as far as output of the VCF into preamp, but I'm not sure where next...
If it’s what I think it is I demo a sound doing similar in the preamp but. I use a bass but same principles.
It is a beautiful synth. Nice demo.
37:38 watch out sudden volume increase.
You could try disconnecting the right channel into yr interface as the synth is in the left side and yr vx is central - monaural
Hey Starsky - great review. You looked at and demonstrated sections which other reviews didn't. I lusted after an ARP 2600 back in the day but I've been getting into modular and have a Moog Grandmother semi-modular and I'm wondering if this would bring anything new to the party. Got any thoughts on that?
It'd be a nice addition to the GM. especially as this has no sequencer or arpeggiator. I've had a little play with the 2 of them together... just t check how they played together.
@@StarskyCarr Oooooh, that sounds great. Video please :-) I think the Grandmother would fit into any modular system but I was mainly wondering about the benefit of adding a 2600 to an existing modular system. Yes, it depends on what's in your modular :-) but I have Oscs and filters, etc. Possibly the biggest benefit is that you get lots of 'modules' in the 2600 for your money. Decisions, decisions...
@@IanWaugh I you're looking to add extra functionality to some semi modular and modular bits, I'd take a look at what you could get for a similar cost. It might bring more adventurous patches... but could also be the start of a slipper slope!
@@StarskyCarr Too late! I'm half way down the slope already :-) For the £££ I could get maybe 2, possibly 3 modules which is why the Behringer is attractive. In terms of functionality, though, I guess it doesn't add anything. I think I'm looking for an excuse to buy one :-( I should have practised more with my guitar... :-)
@@IanWaugh ill second that ! (im a bassplayer - but these long lonely lockdown stretches got me proper down the rabbit hole :-O
Wow... The orange and red one has been showing as being available for ages on Thomann.... I got my Gray Meanie from them two weeks ago! Now showing delivery date unknown..
Lucky you... when did you order the Grey Meanie?
@@StarskyCarr It was exactly on the 11th Feb. I'm 99% certain Thomann first put them up on their website that day too so I must have been very early to have put the order in. They must be the first batch. The spring reverb is quite noisy though, as you would expect....
I missed that window!
@@StarskyCarr I was looking on Thomann's website every day....hey, just watched your arp/filters no talking demo, amazing, best one on here..
Does the companion application have a built in tuner for each OSC? That’s the main thing I like about the Neutron app. Very handy, that.
There's no companion app as far as I'm aware - unless you're taking about the synthtribe app that works with all the Behringer synths. I simply use a free iPhone app for tuning all my analogs.
Thanks for the great video but is there any way you can reduce the frequency of the adverts? This one kinda felt like a series of commercials with synth breaks in between. :-(
Noted.. I just left them on whatever TH-cam auto stuff does.
its really not up to Starsky...Those damn Zoot´s has the ungodly Utubular Ball´s to take us all for commercial prisoners , OR pay 10 quids a month, to be freed of there evil planet wreaking propaganda,-of "Buy more Useless crap" or else....
Since Brexit it's now cheaper to buy from the UK than it is to buy from Thomann. I bought an Elektron Analog Rytm and a Behringer Neutron a couple of weeks ago from Thomann and they wanted an additional £340 or so for Vat and import duty so the whole deal would have ended up costing me about £150 more than if I had bough them here in the UK. I had them sent back and I'm now waiting for a refund from Thomann. Thomann are talking massive losses over this as it obviously costs them money to have goods shipped back. An utterly ridiculous situation.
Thanks yr reply, unable to find yr in depth vid on the envelope times
It’s not released yet... only completed it yesterday. But may be Patreons only in the end. it’s a little too focussed as an out an out quick tutorial for this channel I think.
I’ve almost canceled my sweetwater pre-order a dozen times. It’s taking MUCH longer than promised and I start wondering if I need it at all (I don’t). And yet, I continue waiting.
Stick with it... it’s a great synth. ... and you NEED it 😂
lol right there with ya buddy just sitting here. w my preorder. chillin. waitin. wondering. watching reviews of this thing... figuring out what kinda rack I need to make it vertical lol
Stay with the plan 😂 ... Ill be with my headphones and fireworks will be going off outside... July I hope... lol...I'vee heard nothing, but good things about this one.
Dude. That’s where I ordered mine from (just last week), and they really don’t want me to cancel the order, but my hunch is that they’d have it as quick as anyone else. The bad news was in the first notice I received was to inform me that we are looking into Mid-JULY!!??! I guess they’re feeling some of the microchip lead-times that have been plaguing automobile companies lately?? That’s what I got in my e-mail on this last Tuesday (April 6 or 7?)... so that’s the bad news they gave me. Was supposed to be my birthday present, so it’ll be for my half way b-day instead. Hang in there!
So I I have 2 12v amp charges but none of them say 2000ma and I need to know which are them are the right plug for my behringer so I don't fry it
What is the brand??
No ideaZ you need to check if the tip is positive or negative - I can’t remember what the 2600 uses. The ampage is the amount of power it can supply … so as long as it’s at least the minimum it’ll work. But you can’t use a 12v power supply in a 9v synth etc. Is voltage and positivity need to be the same the milliamps or amps need to be at least the stated value (more is no problem).
@@StarskyCarr thank uuu
Now that the 2600M is out, anyone have any thoughts on which is better?
Hi Starsky, Thanks for a great review and walkthrough of the Behringer 2600. I also just bought one but I can’t figure out how to NOT let the synth make Sound all the time. In your video the synth only sounds when you play the keyboard, Can you help me out?
Get Initial Gain slider all the way down :)
@@RobakStudio Hey 😀 Thank you very much, you just made my day 🍾
Initial gain should be down... as should the VCF input to the main out. The VCF is patched into the VCA - so turn it up there.. and modulate with the AR or ADSR.. then only turn up the VCA to the main output.
@@tsklausen Thanks! It was my first ever comment on TH-cam. Really :)
@@StarskyCarr Thanks a lot! I have been struggling with this issue since I've got the synth. Just saw your video on the Ring Mod section and it was also very inspiring and usefull, please keep them coming :)
it may have made you nervous but i got a great laugh out of it! 🤣 😉👍 thanks!
😁
what would you say is behringers best piece of kit they have released? poly d? monopoly? possibly this?
Difficult. I love the Pro1 but wish they had a full sized version. The Monopoly to me is ‘special’ as I now have a MonoPoly! I have the Minimoog so Poly D lacks the excitement - although I’m planning on putting the Poly D against the MinoPoly. So this or the MP for me. I have an Odyssey so leaning toward the MP. lucky me :)