@@zaink7037 Your budget. Anything below £45k then go for the 981 Cayman. I personally loved the 981 Cayman, it was a fantastic car and the only thing I didn't like about it were the false pops and crackles. It depends if you want an analogue brute which will throw you around if you don't drive it correctly and it takes a while to get the best out of it, or do you want a car you can jump in that just works and is well engineered with a snappy DCT gearbox (and auto-blip if you go for the manual). I'd personally go for the Cayman first, enjoy it for 2 years then buy the Aston. Then decide which you prefer
@@fullyplantd I had a 981 CGTS manual for five years. Lovely, but the steering is stone-dead and the gears are too long. Have you posted your Aston V8 video yet?
@@blzebub2 I test drove a 981 S and loved it. Then went to buy one and on that example the steering was stone dead as you say. I was really disappointed as I loved everything else about the car. Aston is still sat at Bamford Rose unfortunately. Been there for 4 months. I've been told I should have it back soon.
First comment on youtube and unfortunately not a good one.. the points made in the video are specifically targeted to drive the point home that the Vantage is not a good car in his eyes. I currently own both the V8 vantage and porsche 718 spyder and can say the handling on the Vantage isn’t nearly as bad as he claims. It’s just not as darty as the Porsche, but far more predictable due to slower steering ratio (smoother and less busy during hard cornering). Repairs haven’t been terribly expensive. The clutch is actually fully adjustable. It is obvious this guy only drove one or two for a couple minutes and based his remaining opinion on internet research. The one and only real downside to the Vantage that he never mentioned were the brakes, it needs aftermarket pads to feel right. The 4.7 is plenty powerful and more torque than the 4.0 porsche powerplant. The bilstein sport suspension rides firm but not as firm as the Porsche, while still offering great damping. Dealerships now offer a twin-disk clutch upgrade when you need to change your clutch. The paint is SUPER thick, the clear coat is on the soft side, but is super easy to polish. The residual values have been climbing steadily. The leather isn’t super durable but the traditional way it is installed from factory makes for easy repairs from a professional upholstery shop. All his complaints can be summed up: not enough seat time and too much time chasing Porsche ideology. Sorry, but this will also be the last video I watch from you.
Thank you for that! I'm driving a boxster 981 for 5 years now and I love it - nice sound, decent power and never had a significant technical issue so far. But somehow I begin to feel the need for a bit "more drama" and character. I think the Aston represents exactly this...
I've owned two, and the only reason I own the second one (2012 V8VS) is because I regretted selling the first one (2009 V8V). I got rid of a much faster car (550 horsepower tuned V8 Biturbo Merc E-coupe) to get back into a (slower) Vantage because of how much I enjoyed the car. That's my experience, and the only thing I'd get rid of my V8VS for is the V12 if the right deal came along, but otherwise it's sticking around for the long haul. Love it.
@@chrisg9615 I've had the automatic version for nearly 4 yrs now. It's fine and I think it's actually slightly faster at gear shifting than the manual. Obviously it's not the same experience and I don't blame people for wanting "the real thing" for the ultimate old school driving experience. But the idea that the first version of the automated manual is undrivable -- as some people on the Internet seem to infer, and is what I have -- is "bollocks" as they would say in England. 😛
As an Aston owner, I think the video was well on point. Aston is an exotic car and it comes with exotic bills. However, the only reason you hear so much about this with the Aston is the upfront cost for a depreciated Aston is pretty approachable, not so much for Ferrari or Lambo, so people buy them when they probably shouldn’t. They are not a cheap financial proposition. I have a new one and can renew the extended warranty for 10 years. It ain’t cheap but that is not what owning an exotic is about. You hold your nose and spend the money. It’s not that complicated. You want a cool, cheap, fun car...buy an old MG or Triumph. Or buy a Porsche,they are very easy to live with in terms of repairs but they have had a lot of mechanical issues over the years that fanboys easily overlook. Porsche bulletproof engineering is a bit of a myth. Finally...50 quid...80 quid....WTF...what decade do you live in..Nothing is ever that cheap to fix on any modern sports car I have owned.
Same here, but the forums I’m on have a few lists of compatible parts. It’s an exotic car that didn’t use a lot of exotic parts. A Bosch pump is a Bosch pump.
You’ve got it all wrong. A Picasso is obviously not worth millions and millions, after all it’s just paint on a piece of canvass! The Vantage will go down in history as one of the most beautiful cars ever designed, a piece of art! If you want something fast buy a Ferrari, if you’re after a drivers car get a Lotus or a Porsche! If you’re after a piece of art, love a Vantage!
I never liked the Gaydon design cars, and I think it was a low point for Aston design. They were basically all the same: DB9 - DB9 Rapide - DB9 extended Vanquish - DB9 In drag DBS - DB9 with a body kit Virage - DB9 midlife refresh My first Aston love will always be the Vantage from the Bond film Living Daylights - th-cam.com/video/h9RqM2fXssY/w-d-xo.html then the twin supercharged Vantage, as reviews by Jeremy - th-cam.com/video/5d-gAn3piaA/w-d-xo.html And Tiff th-cam.com/video/K23gPnaHBu8/w-d-xo.html
Having owned a variety of cars over the years including a Cl55 AMG Mercedes, 911s etc and driven a huge variety of sports cars...you make very good comments, almost all of which I agree with. In particular parts costs, however there are often fixes or alternatives if you cross reference parts in Ford and volvo, JLR group...but you totally miss the point!!. If you go into the purchase with eyes open, then you understand why you buy one. Yes the car has a slightly heavy clutch, but not excessive. ..its nowhere like an old mustang...I know as I own one as well...and that really does drive like crap...but I love it...for the same reason as the Aston. It's actually about 24mpg unless you are really hustling. If you know how to drive properly..which I do as an advanced qualified driver.. it's a hugely capable car and fast around twisting roads. So..its not about lap times...its about the whole package. For the money and exclusivity there isn't another comparable car. Yes there are technically better ones , like the 911..yes there are more expensive ones, but for an average person to afford and own, there isn't anything as beautiful and provokes such a positive reaction as a V8V. On a recent 600 mile trip in the sunshine...I saw loads of porsche,Ferrari and Lambo. I didn't see one Aston. That exclusivity comes at a price....when you see it takes two days of craftsmanship to make the bonnet badge...you then understand why you buy an Aston.....its just makes you feel special and excites you in a way not many cars do.
I'm a 911 owner (991.1 C2S) and thinking about converting to V8V. 991s are good cars but they just feel too "clinical" to me. Every time I say this I get baffled faces (especially my fellow 911 owners). But cars are very personal things. If a car doesn't speak to you, you just can't love it no matter how highly others have praised it.
@@925vincent I would say take the plunge and never look back. I had a number of Porsche 911 and they are fantastic cars...but that's their problem. They are too predictable, don't sound like they used to and are almost on every street corner. An Aston V8V on the other hand makes you feel special...you just love looking at it ...and its noise is just one of the best ever from a car!. Go and buy one...
@@paulmoor595 You are absolutely right about the sound. I don't like how modern 911s (991 upwards) sound either. The best way I can describe it is that it sounds like the singing of a carol when it hits 6k+ rpms - everything is so harmonized and pleasing to the ear but you lose that sense of being close to the edge. Electric steering is another thing. I know it's a cliche but you do lose sense of the road. Someone said to me electric steering is faster and more accurate. But I'm not a racing driver!
I own a 2014 4.7 Sportshift and love it- not entirely sure where the comments about underpowered come from, though I’ve never driven a 4.3. Yes it is not perfect, but the majority of these points just aren’t relevant for owners. I know it’s more expensive to run and doesn’t drive as well as a 997 would, but the noise, comfort, looks, and overall experience are leagues apart
Yeah I have a 4.7 Sportshift I -- so in theory the worst specs for the automated manual -- and it's fine. The paddles eliminate a lot of the drawbacks as well, and they are easy to do without thinking about. Agree for many points not being relevant -- overall experience is what counts. No one is getting any GT/sports car for practicality's sake!
I had a 2007 V8V and it was a really reliable car. I changed out the clutch myself (a huge pita and still very $$$), but very interesting to have gone through in the end. I unfortunately had to sell because the pandemic F'd my business, but I have great memories.
I've had my 2007 V8V for 2 years now. Great car with lots of power and presence. Niggles for me are ensuring the trickle charge remains on (to avoid electrical messages) and it has a poor handbrake design. We need more Aston Specialists as the Stealerships want to take your pants down everytime. Had a twinplate clutch put in at 60k miles. I'm sure the original would have lasted but it was killing my hip. Everyone including tradesman try to apply Aston tax on quotes when they visit and assume that you're minted and not worked all your life and lived relatively prudently so as to afford one. Road tax is unfairly high when considering most only do 1-2k miles per year
When the Tin man met the Wizard of Oz, even though the Wizard explained how impractical having a heart was because they could never be made unbreakable, the Tin man simply said “but I still want one” I agree, it has its faults, but who could not look at it every time and think Wow!
many people view them as unreliable because they run to the dealership every time they get a warning light on the dash and the occur all the time. most are red herrings and can be safely ignored. but many people are terrified of them and head directly to the dealership to have them "fixed". on a recent cross country trip i had six or seven warning lights. from O2 sensor warnings (deep in the manual it states that these can occur if the driver simply changes the "style" of their driving, to tpms warnings to air bag warnings to tire inflation warnings on a cool morning. none of them needed attention. in fact i drove the car 5500 miles across the country without any mishap at all. the only warning that would have been of assistance but was not registered is that the thermostat was defective. this guy is all over the place, way too may digressions... anyway the biggest fault of the early vantages was with the transmission on the manuals. the reverse gear is way, way too high. it results in an abnormal amount of stalling and a consequent slipping of the clutch to deal with it. too, the throttle response in reverse, for some reason is atrocious and only adds to the difficulty of backing up. many don't like the semi-automatic paddle shifting transmission either, but honestly none of them from that era was particularly good. and yes the parts are ridiculously expensive. some however can be with a bit of diligence sourced from ford or volvo or jaguar. for example, the aforementioned thermostat was sourced from ford for $15.00 (NAPA) rather than from Aston Martin for $172.00 (amazon). same savings are for the taking on brake pads. if you want to have a vantage and maintain it inexpensively, stay away from the dealership, find a good independent garage or do it yourself and spend time on the internet looking for any parts you need. that's my advice.
Couldn’t disagree more. Having owned 2 Vantages in the past, one V8 and the other a V12, I found them both relatively reliable and parts not overly expensive. As with any luxury brand, you can always pick out a few items that are eye wateringly expensive, but in the main its reasonable. There are a number of reputable specialists out there to even keep servicing costs down. I think your research would be more reliable and trust worthy if you spoke to owners rather than relying on unverified sources on the internet 👍🏼
I test drove a 2016 V8 4.7S. In sport mode the car feels super alert and sounds amazing. I think i prefer the Sportshift over the manual gearbox, this is mainly because im 6'5" tall and the manual clutch is tiresome. Anyway, unless you have a lemon, my research tells me they are pretty reliable. The best used examples have Aston warranties.
Picked up my V8 Vantage in Feb and I love everything about it. I've driven manual ones before, along with the fully auto gearbox in the DBS and the SS-2 gearbox wins me over every time. The shear sound is something that puts a lump in your throat every time those valves open up.
Yes Ive experienced some of your "issues" first hand but you miss the point. The Vantage is an achingly beautiful car from just about any angle and the sense of occasion you get every time you drive her makes it worthwhile. Sure there are other cars that are more powerful, that handle and go round corners better, that are cheaper to run but if you go into ownership with your eyes open you will not be disappointed. I use mine as a daily driver and on most outings a member of the public will compliment me on the car - in my experience you don't get that with a Porsche or Ferrari.
@James Pink I have (sports package, I believe) M5's are awesome. I was more so speaking on the curvey roads I like to go on. Z4/ 3 series all day for that purpose of overall fun.
Some interesting points I agree with (clutch is horrible, parts too expensive in cases, Aston not supportive of owners, 4.3 not quite pokey enough) but a lot I disagree with. Which one of these did you drive? A Vantage should handle beautifully
@@fullyplantd Yeah correctly maintained, setup etc... that should be a very engaging and enjoyable car - maybe you drove a bad one, or maybe the Aston's just not for you. It happens
Owned a 2014 V8, 2016 V8S then had a 2015 Boxster S and now back to Aston with a V12S. Saved up hard for each in turn. Tried Porsche but it was less reliable, sounded like a bag of spanners unless wrung out, boring PDK gearbox, didn’t feel premium through the cabin materials used, inadequate “premium” hifi, costly and very sniffy main dealer who refused to fit Michelin PS4S as the car wasn’t built with them. All looked after Vantages are involving to drive at all speeds, not just license-losing, relatively good value to service at a main dealer, plenty of third party support (also, contrary to the video, pattern parts do get made, but I’d stick to original), you can get a good manufacturer warranty extension for over 10 years, etc. But forget all that. The biggest reason I own an Aston is the community and support network. It’s much more than just owning another mass produced car. It’s about being part of something special and feeling every mile made you lucky to be on earth. Or you could listen to somebody who jumped in a bad example for 0.2 miles and then learnt the world through forums 🤷🏻♂️
I own a 2013 manual coupe in California. I’m an engineer too, I can’t argue with your experience and your opinion and that’s all there is your opinion and I have my own opinion of the car. You missed a point, what’s your criteria of a good car or what are you looking for in a car or your 2nd or 3rd car and how much is that worth to you specifically is very different from me. Luckily for me I’ve owned one for the past 4 years and lucky for you there are many other options that you can choose over a vantage. Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make it wrong or right. Not sure what sources you used for your quoted information but some of your facts are not correct and it’s ok. I’m happy majority of people miss the point makes it more unique. Thanks for your review.
Bomb proof engine, rising prices, great place to sit, top after sales servicing from specialists, great kerb appeal, beautiful inside and out. “For a normal car it will cost you fifty quid to repair, this will cost you seven hundred” Name one thing that costs fifty quid on a “normal car” (whatever you think normal is) that costs seven hundred on a Vantage? Garbage.
I've owned three of them..One FHC and two roadsters..Great cars in all areas and always respect from the public. I think matey here may have had his judgement blown away with his syrup..
@@utubecomment21 Why would you want to what? The question was drive *OR* own. Why wouldn't you want to *drive* one?? If you're into cars...makes no sense
I have had a 2010 v8v with MT for almost a year (4.7 liter). Love it! Definitely some quirks and flaws but beautiful and incredibly rewarding to drive/own. Clutch could be better but still...
Own one for three years now. Stock AMV8 2006 manual. Pro’s : 1) Design: perfect ratio car, elegance, headturner. 2) Interior: comfortable, leather everywhere 3) Driving: a great GT car. Negatives: 1) Hight biting point clutch 2) Reverse : this car was not designed to reverse a lot ( especially not uphill). Overall: A great car that is a treat to drive especially as a GT ( the stock AMV8 manual 2006).
@@sillybilly7467 the clutch that Aston Martin fitted and what most if not all manufacturers fit to manual gearboxes is a single plate clutch however, you can buy an aftermarket twin plate clutch that all Ng with a lightened flywheel that is far better, can handle more power and is lighter on the clutch pedal. All for the same price (maybe cheaper) than a stock clutch.
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r alright thank you my friend. I also watched an in-depth video of RedPants about this. But this issue is present also in the sportshift transmission or only in the manual ?
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r I wanted to buy a manual desperately for the feeling of real driving , but if the clutch sucks then I’d rather go for a cheaper sport shift. Many reviews say they are the better alternative. Which one is it in your experience ?
Appreciate this guy's perspective but he's sort of splitting hairs and making things sound like major differences or drawbacks... but compared to what?? The comments about the clutch are exaggerated and perplexing. The clutch isn't particularly odd or challenging, certainly not to trigger such a visceral reaction. Also odd/incongruent that the video shows mostly footage of 430 hp V8V... which performed about the same as a Carrera of the same era... while saying the Vantage is substantially underpowered. It did 0-60 in 4.8 seconds.... what would be considered sufficiently powered? 4.4? Just begs the question: Underpowered compared to what? Even taking his review on its own terms, the conclusion in the title (don't buy one) doesn't seem to logically follow..... he acknowledges a lot of valid reasons why people love the car, agrees they are really well built, attractive, reasonably obtainable price point... sure they have expensive repairs but no more so than any exotic..... so I conclude you should not buy one.
I've had a 2012 V8V for nearly 4 years now (got it July 2019), so the 4.7L one. It's definitely more of a GT than a true sports car. I think this is mostly true of the AM brand in general, by the way; they are a mix of luxury and sportiness. (Not as much as a Bentley Continental GT, but still.) It's plenty fast for me, and still a blast to drive and it's the only car I have (mainly for city commutes.) It temporarily stranded me when it wouldn't start, and did so properly one more time when the clutch gave out and had to be towed. These problems were in the first month or two of owning, even after a PPI. Ditto with replacing the TPMS. *However*, after sorting these issues out -- which was not cheap, but obviously the car itself was a great deal compared to alternatives at the price point -- it's basically been trouble free for me ever since. I use the paddles (yes D mode can be jerky), and I have the dreaded V1 of the automated manual. I avoid reversing up hills and stopping on a hill can be awkward engaging afterward, but it's manageable and any manual car will have the same basic problems. Most people who aren't familiar with the AM brand still think it's a new car, and IMO it's the prettiest understated sporty GT car out there still. It's also unique enough and *different* than 911s that it positively sticks out for most car enthusiasts. So, I don't dispute a lot of the points made in this video, but to summarize: the looks, combined with the fact that it's fun to drive around town, gets you most of the way there as to why it's popular among a certain set of people. I wouldn't chalk it up to an emperor-has-no-clothes conspiracy! 😛
Yeah, I shouldn't have bought my second Vantage, but I love my convertible (sport shift) so much that I had to buy a coupe (6 spd manual) to add to the stable. What is this guy talking about? I LOVE mine and often find myself taking the longest routes because I don't want to get out of them! Sorry, but ask owners how they feel about them and they will tell you they love them. The Vantage is THE car to get in 2021 - prices are only moving UP, and for good reason!
Yeah I bought my V8V in mid 2019 -- and got the 4.7L generation. I don't like the new Vantage's looks as much, and I think this sentiment has helped push up the older Vantages. From my perspective, 2023's prices are above 2019s as I did a lot of research at the time to see what the price points were. They are still a good deal today but not quite as much as they were just before pre COVID.
I’ve owned 2 Aston Martins one was a Vantage.. I’ve had Porsches many other sports cars. I can honestly say the Aston’s were the most reliable cars and most enjoyable to drive the after service from the dealership is also amazing . The only one that comes close for enjoyment is the BMW X5 M which is running at 750 bhp now … which is a much better car than my Porsche or the Rs4 . an Aston Martin is probably one of the best looking cars ever made . Ask James Bond ;)
You must own one for 10 years and driven it over 100k miles, which I have. It is not the fastest or best handling car out there, however the steering feel is as good or better than anything out there. It does have the trailing throttle hop which can be lethal as it was in Lemans a feww years back, but if you are aware of it, it is tolerable, you just have to know it is coming and not lift. The car was designed and built under Ford tenure and mechanically very reliable. The clutch BS is from the poor folks that don't know how to drive a manual, and there must be quite a few. It is my go to car for any drive up to 3-4 hrs in any weather save snow. I reccomend forums over videos for gathering info. The key to a car is how one feels in the seat and how much, and how quickly, confidence in the car manifests. It is a great car to have in flyover country, especailly in gray; few know what it is and fewer care, irradicating the problems with a car on the rare side in more urban areas. Also, I would not consider tracking one of these in street condition ever. All four corners have to be completely readied as the bushing are not up to the task. Also, the crank shaft is a thing of beauty, a work of art, but the rods and pistons deifinitely are not, fine for street driving but inviting disaster if run hard continually. If you want to race, get a cart or buy a car and make it track ready, you will have way more fun, save a lot of money, and maybe your life. BTW. in america we got plenty of scrap yards, replaced a bent knuckle on the car from a bump i hit. Also, I have until recently used mustang gt rotors at $90 instead of AM rotors. I replaced the High spec alarm system, FoMoCo right on it $47. Nobody in ther right mind will ever fix the sat nav, this guy is nuts. I have 170k miles on my original clutch. The 4.3 is fine with power. He is nuts about the clutch weight, his is likely spent, power is more than adequate, i do have power pak and high flow cats. I often skip gears. It is fine in corners, and confident, and has a heavy feel which is great as it is much more predictable, except for the hop mentioned earlier, surprisinngly not even mentioned in the video which is demonstrative of the knowledge base on display here. If you are looking seriously, this is not an unbiased video.
I’ve owed a Cayman S, F21 M5 and a 4.7 V8 Vantage. The Aston was my favourite. Everyone let’s you out, people come and tell you what a nice car it is, the sound is amazing, it’s a V8, it’s timeless.
Agreed -- and the timelessness of the V8V's design, plus the relative uniqueness, is ultimately what won me over vs a 911. (Which I also like. As well as some of the BMW coupe models too. I've been in / "built" online many of these over the years.)
Have those guys owned a Vantage for long enough?? Mine is 15 years old and still going strong!! It is a beautiful car period. I have 2 Porsches 996 and a 991.2 4S. I love the Aston. It is not as fast I know. With the double clutch and a engine map and cats removed! I love it.
Umm, those aren't reliability issues, if you insist on paying AM £100 for a filter you can buy in a Mazda box for £20, that's just stupidity. As for "the paint is bad, it might need a respray after 15 years", seriously? Finally, a "double flywheel" clutch? Did you perhaps mean a "twin plate clutch"? 😂😂😂
Very informative video thanks. I test drove a 2010 manual Vantage yesterday and I liked it a lot. Previously coming from a manual E92 V8 M3 with similar power I was surprised how much more special the Aston felt during the run. I was originally looking at buying a 997 2s or 4s with rebuild completed or spend more and go for the 997.2 but just love the look of the Vantage. Late nights ahead deciding🤔
What did you end up buying? I have a similar shopping list. 997.1 is an amazing car but bore scoring issue is a worry? Is like a 14k ticking time bomb potential engine rebuild?
Absolutely loved my 2007 V8V that I owned for about 2.5 years - but we should never be concerned about honest reviews like this, so that a constructively critical purchase approach can be made. 'Upgraded' recently for a slightly younger manual V12V. Not looking back. BTW - I think AM parts etc are way better 'value' than Lambo - it's all relative,and (massive understatement) sources vary wildly on price...
Last week, I had the opportunity to drive a 2012 V8 Vantage, and I must say, it's a remarkable car both inside and out. The steering and response were impeccable, the balance was great, and it was definitely an attention-grabber. However, my only complaint was the clutch engagement when shifting into first gear, which felt unnervingly thin compared to other manuals I've driven, including my current E39 M5. Once you get past first gear, though, it's a marvel. Nevertheless, I am a lifelong ///M guy and wouldn't consider driving this car daily. However, as an additional car to the collection, it's definitely a great choice.
STOP PRESS:- it has a shitty standard plastic ended radiator - but NAR group uk Ltd will sell you the upgraded one for half the price of a dealer ….service it at BAMFORD ROSE with the bald headed one & drive your car future AM happy !!
I've owned over 30 sports cars over the years and have a V8 Vantage 4.3 in the "stable". Love it. Comfortable, excellent steering feel, fun and usable. In 3 years, I've had no issues beyond wear items and routine maintenance. Gets just enough attention, but nicely under the radar. Kinda lol at "difficult to drive". Couldn't be easier. Clutch really isn't that heavy. Double flywheel? I think you mean twin plate clutch with a lightweight flywheel. I've pushed this car into corners very fast. Also own a featherlight Lotus. The Aston handles very admirably for something as comfortable and usable as it. The steering isnt't "GT" steering, it's just of the era. All cars in that era aren't fast and effortless like modern cars. Which I actually prefer. Modern Porsches have no feel. I also average 19MPG.
Thank you for your review.Some of the things that you mention reflect one's feelings about a bad day when perhaps the engine warning light comes on for no apparent reason!What is misses is the sense of occasion one feels driving a beautiful hand built car at home on a twisty country road! I am now retired and have throughout my life had many exotic cars but I would not swop my 2006 V8 Vantage for any of them and I will only sell it when I can no longer climb in and out of the sumptious leather interior! As for its value,I paid £29k for my 20 thousand mile car just 2 years ago and.on a routine annual fixed price( £680 )service was offered £36k! How's that for an expensive car to own!
I don't believe for a second replacement springs on s Ferrari are £80. My 1990 Vauxhall Nova SR needed new front springs in 2003 and that was £120 then for a Nova!
Or, if you’re not caught up on brand identity and posing, get a BMW e92 M3 which will pummel a V8 vantage in all performance categories. If BMW is too pedestrian for you then look at the R8, 997.2 or 991.1. Very true about 997.1 Porsche. Bore scoring and IMS bearings issue are endemic.
this sounds more like an advert for why you SHOULD buy a V8 4.7 Vantage. Had my 2015 model 6 months and I love it. My 911 carrera 2S had a major rebuild then the guy I sold it to had to have the same bloody rebuild - cylinders 4,5,6 - apparently its very common - and I did not even think it was fast - it felt Meh. In comparison the Vantage feels pretty fast. And its just such an awesome car - every time you get into it, its a thrill. My Merc S500 was almost as fast and the detailing just as good, but it didn't feel as special as this - its such a great place to be - the design and build quality is still great 10 yrs on. Price of failures - is something I had factored in before I bought it. You would not buy a Ferrari and expect to get £50 repair bills ? I cant think of any other car I'd rather have - and essentially its all analogue - I love that also.
I don't quite understand the car fix comment, I am currently waiting on $300 repair on my subaru that only has 25000 miles on it and is 3 years old, the part shouldn't have broken, plain and simple, cars have issues all the time, and supercars are no different, when owning a supercar, its typically not an issue of money
I like the offering but I've heard reliability is bad. Modern saloons are incredibly boring so it's frustrating considering that the Ghibli should be something with a bit of character. I'd rather consider something like a Panamera, Alfa Giulia, B8 RS4, Jaguar XE V6 S.
it's good to let people know that they can't buy an aston and expect the dealership to treat it like a brand new 25k car, but I never would. I'd do all of the work it needs myself, source the parts myself, and that will ALWAYS save you money, even more so on something simple that has higher cost because of pedigree. Also if I was going to own one, it'd be an 08 4.3 coupe manual. In regards to power/mpg, there's a few kits for a couple grand where you can signifigantly bump power and torque, like 60 hp, and make real world mpg go go nearly 28 on the highway just be freeing up the intake and exhaust system with less restrictions. The fuel tank is enourmous btw, 20 us gallons. Even stock you will probably get 400+ miles per fill up.
I'm not an owner, but I would love to be able to own one some day. IMHO, another selling point for the 2005-2017 V8 Vantage is that it is the best looking car of all time. Nothing else captures the sleek elegance of this car. Even its more premium contemporary V12 stablemates, while using a similar design language, just don't capture the same look. The new one (2019+) has lost the magic completely. The 2005-2017 V8 Vantage is simply the most gorgeous car ever made, and possibly the most gorgeous car that will ever be made.
He is right. Most people buy a almost 20 years old Aston not because they love the brand. It is only because they can finally buy a exotic car for around 50k. They buy to make themselves look good, to flex in front of their friend and families, on social media, etc. Then they got hit by a normal Aston repair bill that they just don’t have the extra fund to spend. They are the people who complaint about Aston. People who love the Aston Brand and really ready to own one already knew and ok with the possible repair bill.
The 2006 to 2009 v8 vantage uses a lot of parts from other cars. The engine is two ford i4 put together so you can get cheap ford parts to replace anything on it. The infotainment system is Volvo so you can replace it with volvo components. Personally I love working on my car so this makes that generation of Aston a steal.
I’ve owned a 2006 Vantage V8 6-speed for 3 years. It has been very reliable. Just oil changes and a few hood and door struts. You missed one of the best selling points which is the beautiful styling of the Vantage that was specially designed using the golden ratio. I upgraded to a Velocity AP x-pipe, 200 cell cats and a stage 2 tune. It woke the car up. It is a blast to drive. MPG and the stereo system mean absolutely nothing to me. The same applied to both my 911’s
I've only known three people who bought Aston's, and it was a bad experience for them all. My boss bought a DB9, and the engine sounded great ... when it worked (cough), which wasn't very often! *Month 1* - 16 days at the dealer being repaired ... *Month 2* - 15 ... *Month 3* - 18 days ... *There wasn't a month 4!* He ditched it for an F430 ... oh well ... out of the frying pan .......... But nothing was worse than my cousins and brother's Porsche stories … but that's a comment for another time!
@@jazzcat5950 People say that cars have become more reliable … maybe with Toyota's, but I look back at the Saab Turbo's my (step) dad had, and I remember that the turbo blew @ 140k. But there are many brands, especially German brands, that struggle to see a turbo last 40k miles, let alone 140k. Wild horses couldn't drag me to buy a Merc from the last ... 25 years, and forget about BMW's .. in 6, 8 or 10 cylinders, it doesn't matter, they've all been a disaster. As for the SMG gearbox (cough). And after my brother's experience, the less said about Porsche the better. I think what has changed is us. We don't want to drive anymore, instead, we want sofa's for seats, we can't do with just a simple radio, we want the whole THX, 7.2 surround sound ... we're not content with one Turbo, now we need four (BMW). I think we need to slow down (forget 0-60 and top speed), lose some weight and width (have you tried to get a modern car into one parking space, it's impossible!) because I think we're going somewhat backwards. The reason we need so much safety in our cars, is because there are estate cars and saloons that can do over 200mph, Yeah, like we all drive at a constant 203mph, when ever we get into the car. ... anyway ....
Being a once proud owner of a manual 2009 Vantage one of the first 4.7l. I sold the car with 10,000miles on the clock, after having only owned the car for 8 months. The intolerably heavy clutch had become the cause of anxiety of being snarled up in traffic...Im now considering a Lexus LC500 and would welcome any feedback
HAHA!!! Vantages have some issues, but fewer than all the cars i have had before - 43 cars, including 8 Porsches -( I still have a Porsche 996 ,2001 as my everyday car -and it is the 996 and EARLY 997 that had some issues with engines) If you are a Car enthusiast, You do your research, and understand what can happen, and what you can do about it.You are right!!!It is the perfect GT car,but NOT a Sportscar!!!The trunk will take a lot of bagage for 2 people on vacation. We have been driving almost 6000Km the last few years through Europe with this car. The Parts are not expensive.You buy them on E-bay -and if you take some time to look on forums , you buy complete service kits for the same money as for my Audi.. Every Part i have needed, was a Part from one of the Car companies owned by Ford at the Time! Ford parts- Mazda- Volvo- Jaguar. Go to a good Garage with your workshop book,or go to a Specialist like Bamford & Rose, if you live in England. Funny that you say that the clutch is good ( but so hard, you cannot drive the car in traffic..) The Clutch is actually rubbish...The car was meant to have the double clutch from the V12, but the " Beancounters" found it to expensive... Aston was ( and still is.. ) a small Company.. Only after having left the early Vantage platform in 2016 ? They put together a double clutch package... Earlier, there where other companies that put together kits, which involved lighter flywheels and double clutch. This will not only make Your clutch lighter,but also give you a new feeling of the car. With some other modifications, you could transform your Vantage to what you wan´t. I have modified my Navigation by changing it to a Garmin Touch system, for example. MPG..Yes... It is expensive..Some modifications bring the MPG down, ... BUT!! the Petroltank is actually 80 liters, so you do not go from A to B trying to find petrolstations... Why are Aston Vantages so popular by their Owners? 1. The perhaps most beautiful car ever built. 2. It is a Car, people on the street admire, and you are not seen as a "Douchbag" 3. NOT expensive to own, if you do some research 4.A car that is still more Analogue than Digital... Knobs and Switches!!! 5. Every time you go out in it, it is a Pleasure and a Feeling of being in something special, and knowing that it will not break down immediately ( Unlike the( few.. ) Maseratis and Ferraris I have had.... 6.The sound 7. The interior ( I rather like the the early versions... much cooler with whole skins on the sets , without seams... ) I am a 63 year old Dentist from Sweden, who have lived in England, Germany, Kenya, Denmark and now again , in Sweden. My cars are : Audi A2 1.6 TDI ( 119HP -tuned) 2005 - Porsche 996, 2001 - Aston Martin Vantage V8 , 2006
The manual clutch is heavy, high biting point, and the car was not meant to be driven in reverse. Everything else: the AMV8 2006 is a very comfortable GT and a joy to drive on a motorway. In town : yeah, you need to show that you know how to handle it. But that is part of the game.
Hi Hans, nice to read your commetns and great list of cars you have! Just returned from a Stockholm trip - such a nice place to see a lot of well keept cars on streets ;) i'm 36 and as i can see that V8V or AM in general is not a choice for youngsters and lovers of 0-60 or nurburgring laptimes - these car are more for people who can enjoy aesthethic or flow of the good curved road driving fast but in a delicate way, if you collect all the points from the author of this video it seems like a best car option should be a hardly tuned Golf or Octavia but that is still will be covered by warranty ))))
Im currently on the fence buying one. I gave your opinion an honest chance but I just want one. I make 150k a year, have more than that in savings. I am now finally at the point in my life where I can afford a luxury car, and though I could go for something brand new I want to have something that tickled me in my youth. Youre right. The car isnt fast (not slow either) but thats actually a plus to me. You can step on thr peddle and actually hear that V8. Imagine this this having 600hp and it doing 0-60 in 3.4 seconds. That would ruin it for me totally. The navigation unit is horrible, but honestly what nav in a 17 year old isnt?
Hi mate, love the videos keep them up! In response to your video I would some advise on the following; 1. A daily driver that has a bit of a split personality (calm daily vs fast sports car feel) 2. Something not too common 3. A saloon or big coupe (not a sports coupe like z4 or TT) 4. Budget = 30-40K 5. Something on the high end of its spec (to hold its value) Looking forward to hear back from you, Triv
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - Unbelievable car, it's unique, feels special to drive, very chilled when you want it to be (it has an efficiency mode too which shuts off some cylinders, cars like the M3 and C63 don't have this). They weren't cars which were sold in huge numbers but are appreciated by car fanatics so should hold well. It also has a ZF gearbox which is very well tuned, this means it is easy to drive daily but lightning quick when you want to push on.
@@fullyplantd too fast for the road, brake pads for example are more expensive that V8V )))
2 ปีที่แล้ว
A friend of mine, Banker, who earned 500,000 Swiss Francs a year, drove his V8 Vantage every day, as only car, he had. Around 60,000 Kms, his clutch needed to be renewed, which is normal, they said... so, servicing plus a new clutch, they asked for 18,000 Swiss Francs. He had enough and left the car at the dealership, buying a used Jaguar s-Type instead, with notably the same V8 under the hood. This was so reliable and costed almost nothing in maintenance, compared to the Aston... Therefore, i drive a DB7 i6 (perfect car) and a ultra rare Cygnet, which costs nothing in maintenance...
Thats for the content-very helpful. My GLE PCP plan is up for renewal. I’m just about to sign a new deal, but a PCH hire this time & it’s a better deal. I do around 8k miles a year. Would you say this is a wise choice? Thanks
My DB9 is awesome. V12 with plenty of power. Only problem I have had was a blown radiator which I had re-cored at a good price. Have driven a Vantage and is now where near the DB9.
Some of what you say is true. However, to say its a dog to drive simply isn't true. Would be good to hear your context on why you feel it's not good to drive. Steering is direct, chassis is set up for GT car, its no Lotus in this respect however, to say its a dog to drive is garbage. I will agree the original cars fitted with the Dynamics dampers can be crash especially with the OEM fit Bridgestone tyres but the tyres being a wearable item, you soon fit Pilot sport 4s and its a different car. Mileage... I've never had 15mpg, always get around 20mpg, 22 on a run. Parts can be expensive (rear lights £1500 the pair) but there are plenty of spares specialists that offer better prices (but that's the same for all cars). Handling is not rubbish, you can carry a lot of speed into corners..... Who's car did you drive? Was it correctly set up? Technology in the cars upto 2009 were behind the times.
Please keep up these videos. I wish there were more like this for my own personal benifit. I was lazy buying a V8 Vantage manual last year and the prices shot up because of videos on the "best kept secrete - Aston Vantage". I still really want one buy I want the 2019 price. I thought this review was well done.
Just like any business this one has to generate income. And in the TH-cam universe there is no better way to grab views than to throw in a potentially controversial title that will gather some attention. And Voila views come in and money rolls into the account. Here is my two cents - unless you have lived with an Aston Martin Vantage - and it is painfully obvious this person has not - you are not in a position to make the comments you are making. They are substantiated only by data you are gathering from the internet which is all inherently biased and more often then not wrong. People who buy performance cars do not and should not care very much about resale value, reliability and the like. If we did Alpha, Aston, Ferrari, Lamborghini and others would have gone by the way of the Dodo many years ago. We buy these cars because we love driving them. This is why comparison videos are quite silly as well. I don't care that the 911 is "better" then the Vantage according to this auto journalist or the next one. The only thing I care is that in my hands on the wheel and with my ass on the seat I have a bigger grin in the Aston then in the Porsche. That's it!!! That is the only argument I have to process. And so does every other true petrolhead. I drive what I love - not what others tell me I should love. The Vantage is a special car. Sounds great, drives great, comes with a proper gearbox and Aston will actually happily sell you one unlike some of it's competitors where one has to beg and pray that to get an allocation and be allowed into the "family". The Vantage turns more heads then any of it's competitors because it looks better (if that's your kinda thing) and mostly people in North America don't know what it is so you don't automatically get boxed in as an Asshole, which always a good thing. So many plusses - maybe I should make a video called: Why You SHOULD Buy a V8 Vantage in 2021 / What people do tell you...
This guy nailed it on the head! You’re right , it’s absolutely insane to think someone who’s never owned or experienced the car as an owner would sit here giving biased stats he pulled out of the internet. As a sports car owner , enthusiast and driver I absolutely agree that the only argument that stands is how I feel when I drive the car, not what others tell me I should be feeling. Smiles for miles cost money, that’s the price of membership. Buy a Honda or a Prius if you want to save gas, money on repairs and to A to B. My previous CEO had an Aston and anywhere we went he always turned more heads than any 911 owner I have known: The car exudes class and elegance
Seems like a bit of Texas Sharpshooter logical fallacy going on. I was curious so I looked up the spring cost for the Ferrari 360 mentioned. £138 each but the kicker is the damper is £835 and that is the part that wears out... By comparison Aston V8 Vantage is £965 for the complete damper unit (spring + damper already assembled). So both cars are comparably expensive in that example. I have an alternate theory that the low prices for some Vantages tempts people who would not normally buy an exotic. Then they need to replace a Vantage specific part and get sticker shock.
I don't know about this, for lots of parts e.g. A nav unit or lights, you would pull it from a scrapped car and springs if they were so much, you would just get aftermarket like bilsteins. It sounds like you drove a dog tbh, bad tires and alignment.... Watch some reviews from someone like jayemm if you haven't, he doesn't hold back on his reviews and is very honest, he shits on cars if they are bad and does not own one. Fuel economy and the clutch is literally no concern for a weekend car. It seems like a strange video, idk what you are trying to do? Maybe get them down to the point you can afford them?
Hi Doug, great video! Can you help, I’m wanting a ‘new shape’ AM Vantage 2019/20. Full warranty and I plan to keep it for just 12 months. What’s the best way to get myself into one and a guarantee of costing no more than £20k in depreciation over this period? I’m aware that many of the original extras are now standard. David
The V8 Vantage is a winner because it's just as good as the competitors for a fraction of the price. It's seriously slept on and like every 90s hero car, it is going to become unaffordable one day.
You should try to test drive a Vantage. I was blown away by it, and I would say that the video is more accurate than not, it doesn't accurately capture the overall *sentiment* that results from flaws in the car. In other words, the looks and style, and general day-to-day drivability (and ample trunk space) can make it a great daily that isn't too expensive to maintain. And a mini-event each time you take it out.
Thank you, my philosophy is that when I see the owner of an Aston Martin sitting next to his car in a shop giving an honest review is that I will run from that car, You wanna have no issues with tail lights, clutch, door lock, and electrical window modules??? Get yourself a Lexus and enjoy your life
I don't have or have never owned an Aston Martin, but there could also be the factor than many owners enjoy their cars regardless and haven't had all the problems some owners have reported.
Yes I had a bunch of problems at first. Was in the shop a fair amount. Afterward... going on a 4th year of basically no issues (except 2 yr service, and one or two check ups when a warning light went amiss but it wasn't anything costly in the end.) A lot of people are buying the older Astons for looks, having some deferred maintenance to sort out and parts to replace, and then having it be fine if it's driven regularly afterward. But if you just did right after you bought, then maybe you'd note that it was problematic. However I question whether these people have bought other used European cars. Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Range Rover, Bentley etc are all notorious as well for being expensive to maintain. Especially once it's out of warranty.
I just got a service and a new drive shaft on my ford transit custom £800.00 at a Ford Dealer . I did get 75.00 discount because I do work for them now and again.
I gave you the thumbs down not because I own one, but because of your laziness. As an owner of a used to be very expensive car you want your cake and eat it. Those era Astons are FoMoCo parts bin galore. Probably one of the cheapest "exotic" cars to own if you do some basic homework.
I thought that was a very objective video and certainly buying one that had been run on a budget would be asking for expense and trouble unless the price reflected it as I found when I bought my E46 325ci sport several years ago - that cost me many thousands to get right but it’s perfect and I’ll never sell it. Your comment regarding 15mpg or so and regular fuel station stops - I also have an early 4.0 mk2 Range Rover and you’re right about that too, it’s much more economic when it’s parked in my garage! Incidentally they have a reputation for unreliability and expense but mine has been looked after and is great, 17 years ownership and counting. Just going to watch your vid on the M2 now as that’s another car on my radar. Ps - sounds great economy from your slk 55, my wife has the 200 kompressor and don’t think she manages that. Cheers :-)
Nice! The M2 is a completely different car, it's very stale in comparison, I've often wondered if the manual is more engaging than the DCT, I'll have to drive one sometime. I drove a Lotus Evora last week and that was everything I wanted the Aston to be, it was light, engaging, easy to drive and a ton of drama even just cruising down the motorway.
You clearly aren’t a connoisseur of art my friend. It is quite possibly the most beautiful timeless design of a coupe in the modern era. I would have one simply just to look at it.
If you want a cheap to run car, buy a Nissan Micra. If you want a totally reliable car, buy a Honda. If you want a boring car, buy a Tesla. But if you want an exclusive (i.e. rare), lovely looking and exciting car to own - buy an Aston. No less reliable than a contemporary Ferrari, Maserati or Lambo. And parts prices are roughly on a par (ask me how I know this). You miss the point of owning an exotic - of any make.
Don’t forget that they now being Mercedes in a Aston body, getting a 3rd party garage to work on them is pretty much nil. They need to buy very expensive diagnostic machines, PLUS the software, PLUS the yearly SUBSCRIPTION to even use any of it. Only to have maybe one Aston a yr to come by.
Considering this is a "feeling issue". Been comparing to Maserati Gran Turismo and a couple of Ferraris, and any of these cars is upon right approach of it's owning: if the cost is an issue owning such a vehicle, there are endless amount of cost effective options out there. It's stupidity to buy one and complain it costs to maintain. During viewing I started to think about design furniture: you pay 5000-10.000e for a piece, saying it won't "lose appreciation" or even goes up on value. Sure. But do you sit better than on 399e Ikea couch? You can have 10 of them. Also the clutch issue; why hardly any automaker continued making big engines with manual gearbox is THE CLUTCH. Big engine, high torque, manual gearbox - you must pump iron with it. You don't need more than turbocharged cars from late 1990s to have left leg damaged. A good, traditional automatic would have been a match with A-M V8, but there's none to compare to. Also, a heavy car with naturally aspired big engine means big consumption. Try Bentleys. Bringing SLK in as comparison it's quite something; it's a tiny car. Technically speaking, nobody should buy an Aston Martin. Neither Ferrari. Be an engineer, be rational. But a good question is how V8 Vantage sold so much, if it wasn't a good purchase? And what comes to appreciation: I found many for €40k and under two-three years ago. Now all in prestige condition are above €50k, are if sold in Finland, you must pay €65-80k for 2006 models with below 100.000km and well maintained. Means, it's getting up. And we could always discuss about Mercedes quality when all money went to support failed Chrysled merge, or Porsche until 2007-8 and necessary updates. But I think as a Finn it's like those Artek furniture pieces: those are absolute horror to sit on, but take decades... so you rather suffer to own design. Rational? If you value design and decor you see above the feeling in your ass. And can say, after driving 6700km around Europe in Fiat 500 Twinpower (yes, it's 875cc two cylinder) and thinking it was best of all cars I did the tour so far. With 5,1L/100km however you drove. So, I'm considering having perhaps Aston Martin - and keep the Fiat. :D -tk-
This guy is a joke. He left a review about a used car he test drove and never owned First he claims the car didn’t handle well, as an Aston Martin owner I can verify these cars handle and corner very well and maybe his test car was a piece of crap Second he claims the repairs are too expensive and compares prices to a Ford --seriously? I have own about 120 cars by now and I could cherry pick Ford parts that would make your eyes water too. The parts he mentioned are not even parts that get commonly replaced While these cars are more expensive than the average car to repair, they are one of the cheapest exotic car to own and repair My costs to own have been very reasonable-far less than any of 6 bmws I owned that would get 4000-5000 repair bills every couple months (this is not an exaggeration) He complains about driving a clutch in rush hour traffic-well my Mini Cooper and bmw clutches were miserable to drive in rush hour too He is complaining about the navigation system on a car that was designed 17 years ago and about the fuel economy. Well maybe he should go back to his 2017 Ford Focus where he belongs I think he is bitter he either couldn’t afford the car or he is doing this video to get hits to make money. Either way it’s not an accurate depiction of reality
Why are parts so expensive, in particular in the gadget area? Because we want an AM entertainment system, not a Volvo one. Because we want AM indicator stalks, not Ford ones, because we want AM mirror switches, not Ford ones, and the list goes on. I believe that my Jaguar XK purchase is the better one: most of the serviceable items are simply from Ford and there are plenty of spare parts on the market. Often, gadget equipment can easily be found second hand, e.g. from XFs, XJs, etc. So you get just about the same level of build quality, same or even higher luxury and sportiness, with more space and a far higher degree of daily driver. Also, there are far more forums out there with many owners with DIY experience on their cars to share to keep running costs down. You just confirmed to me that I made the right choice, albeit without the highly desirable AM badge..
I'd love to hear your opinion on current AM models to see if they've addressed past issues such as Christian von Koenigsegg does with his creations after getting feedback on areas that need improvement.
For all of those who are upset at this video ... I've bought one. It's currently at Bamford Rose getting a new clutch and video will be coming soon
How's ownership going? Thinking between this or a porsche 981 cayman
@@zaink7037 Your budget. Anything below £45k then go for the 981 Cayman.
I personally loved the 981 Cayman, it was a fantastic car and the only thing I didn't like about it were the false pops and crackles.
It depends if you want an analogue brute which will throw you around if you don't drive it correctly and it takes a while to get the best out of it, or do you want a car you can jump in that just works and is well engineered with a snappy DCT gearbox (and auto-blip if you go for the manual).
I'd personally go for the Cayman first, enjoy it for 2 years then buy the Aston. Then decide which you prefer
@@fullyplantd I had a 981 CGTS manual for five years. Lovely, but the steering is stone-dead and the gears are too long.
Have you posted your Aston V8 video yet?
@@blzebub2 I test drove a 981 S and loved it. Then went to buy one and on that example the steering was stone dead as you say. I was really disappointed as I loved everything else about the car.
Aston is still sat at Bamford Rose unfortunately. Been there for 4 months. I've been told I should have it back soon.
First comment on youtube and unfortunately not a good one.. the points made in the video are specifically targeted to drive the point home that the Vantage is not a good car in his eyes. I currently own both the V8 vantage and porsche 718 spyder and can say the handling on the Vantage isn’t nearly as bad as he claims. It’s just not as darty as the Porsche, but far more predictable due to slower steering ratio (smoother and less busy during hard cornering). Repairs haven’t been terribly expensive. The clutch is actually fully adjustable. It is obvious this guy only drove one or two for a couple minutes and based his remaining opinion on internet research. The one and only real downside to the Vantage that he never mentioned were the brakes, it needs aftermarket pads to feel right. The 4.7 is plenty powerful and more torque than the 4.0 porsche powerplant. The bilstein sport suspension rides firm but not as firm as the Porsche, while still offering great damping. Dealerships now offer a twin-disk clutch upgrade when you need to change your clutch. The paint is SUPER thick, the clear coat is on the soft side, but is super easy to polish. The residual values have been climbing steadily. The leather isn’t super durable but the traditional way it is installed from factory makes for easy repairs from a professional upholstery shop. All his complaints can be summed up: not enough seat time and too much time chasing Porsche ideology. Sorry, but this will also be the last video I watch from you.
Thank you for that! I'm driving a boxster 981 for 5 years now and I love it - nice sound, decent power and never had a significant technical issue so far. But somehow I begin to feel the need for a bit "more drama" and character. I think the Aston represents exactly this...
I've owned two, and the only reason I own the second one (2012 V8VS) is because I regretted selling the first one (2009 V8V). I got rid of a much faster car (550 horsepower tuned V8 Biturbo Merc E-coupe) to get back into a (slower) Vantage because of how much I enjoyed the car. That's my experience, and the only thing I'd get rid of my V8VS for is the V12 if the right deal came along, but otherwise it's sticking around for the long haul. Love it.
I sold my 2009 earlier this year & I'm already looking for another one.
@El Sordo 35000ish bought it with 25000
What are your thoughts on the automatic versions?
I’m looking for my first one. V12 or V8 some many decision.
@@chrisg9615 I've had the automatic version for nearly 4 yrs now. It's fine and I think it's actually slightly faster at gear shifting than the manual. Obviously it's not the same experience and I don't blame people for wanting "the real thing" for the ultimate old school driving experience. But the idea that the first version of the automated manual is undrivable -- as some people on the Internet seem to infer, and is what I have -- is "bollocks" as they would say in England. 😛
As an Aston owner, I think the video was well on point. Aston is an exotic car and it comes with exotic bills. However, the only reason you hear so much about this with the Aston is the upfront cost for a depreciated Aston is pretty approachable, not so much for Ferrari or Lambo, so people buy them when they probably shouldn’t. They are not a cheap financial proposition.
I have a new one and can renew the extended warranty for 10 years. It ain’t cheap but that is not what owning an exotic is about. You hold your nose and spend the money. It’s not that complicated. You want a cool, cheap, fun car...buy an old MG or Triumph.
Or buy a Porsche,they are very easy to live with in terms of repairs but they have had a lot of mechanical issues over the years that fanboys easily overlook. Porsche bulletproof engineering is a bit of a myth.
Finally...50 quid...80 quid....WTF...what decade do you live in..Nothing is ever that cheap to fix on any modern sports car I have owned.
Same here, but the forums I’m on have a few lists of compatible parts. It’s an exotic car that didn’t use a lot of exotic parts. A Bosch pump is a Bosch pump.
Where can I find those lists?
The hourly labor rates near me is far more than that, let alone the parts.
Yeah really, I don’t think I’ve ever paid less than $200 for an auto repair
Nailed it. Echo what you say about Porsche bulletproof engineering….total myth.
You’ve got it all wrong. A Picasso is obviously not worth millions and millions, after all it’s just paint on a piece of canvass! The Vantage will go down in history as one of the most beautiful cars ever designed, a piece of art! If you want something fast buy a Ferrari, if you’re after a drivers car get a Lotus or a Porsche! If you’re after a piece of art, love a Vantage!
I never liked the Gaydon design cars, and I think it was a low point for Aston design. They were basically all the same:
DB9 - DB9
Rapide - DB9 extended
Vanquish - DB9 In drag
DBS - DB9 with a body kit
Virage - DB9 midlife refresh
My first Aston love will always be the Vantage from the Bond film Living Daylights - th-cam.com/video/h9RqM2fXssY/w-d-xo.html
then the twin supercharged Vantage, as reviews by Jeremy - th-cam.com/video/5d-gAn3piaA/w-d-xo.html
And Tiff
th-cam.com/video/K23gPnaHBu8/w-d-xo.html
As an Aston owner......after considering all the rest.....I agree. Only bank clerks and butchers drive Jaguars.
Having owned a variety of cars over the years including a Cl55 AMG Mercedes, 911s etc and driven a huge variety of sports cars...you make very good comments, almost all of which I agree with. In particular parts costs, however there are often fixes or alternatives if you cross reference parts in Ford and volvo, JLR group...but you totally miss the point!!. If you go into the purchase with eyes open, then you understand why you buy one. Yes the car has a slightly heavy clutch, but not excessive. ..its nowhere like an old mustang...I know as I own one as well...and that really does drive like crap...but I love it...for the same reason as the Aston.
It's actually about 24mpg unless you are really hustling. If you know how to drive properly..which I do as an advanced qualified driver.. it's a hugely capable car and fast around twisting roads. So..its not about lap times...its about the whole package. For the money and exclusivity there isn't another comparable car. Yes there are technically better ones , like the 911..yes there are more expensive ones, but for an average person to afford and own, there isn't anything as beautiful and provokes such a positive reaction as a V8V. On a recent 600 mile trip in the sunshine...I saw loads of porsche,Ferrari and Lambo. I didn't see one Aston. That exclusivity comes at a price....when you see it takes two days of craftsmanship to make the bonnet badge...you then understand why you buy an Aston.....its just makes you feel special and excites you in a way not many cars do.
@James Pink have a look at Mr JWW video on how it's made...its fascinating.
for an average person to afford and own... are you kidding?
I'm a 911 owner (991.1 C2S) and thinking about converting to V8V. 991s are good cars but they just feel too "clinical" to me. Every time I say this I get baffled faces (especially my fellow 911 owners). But cars are very personal things. If a car doesn't speak to you, you just can't love it no matter how highly others have praised it.
@@925vincent I would say take the plunge and never look back. I had a number of Porsche 911 and they are fantastic cars...but that's their problem. They are too predictable, don't sound like they used to and are almost on every street corner. An Aston V8V on the other hand makes you feel special...you just love looking at it ...and its noise is just one of the best ever from a car!. Go and buy one...
@@paulmoor595 You are absolutely right about the sound. I don't like how modern 911s (991 upwards) sound either. The best way I can describe it is that it sounds like the singing of a carol when it hits 6k+ rpms - everything is so harmonized and pleasing to the ear but you lose that sense of being close to the edge. Electric steering is another thing. I know it's a cliche but you do lose sense of the road. Someone said to me electric steering is faster and more accurate. But I'm not a racing driver!
I own a 2014 4.7 Sportshift and love it- not entirely sure where the comments about underpowered come from, though I’ve never driven a 4.3. Yes it is not perfect, but the majority of these points just aren’t relevant for owners. I know it’s more expensive to run and doesn’t drive as well as a 997 would, but the noise, comfort, looks, and overall experience are leagues apart
Yeah I have a 4.7 Sportshift I -- so in theory the worst specs for the automated manual -- and it's fine. The paddles eliminate a lot of the drawbacks as well, and they are easy to do without thinking about.
Agree for many points not being relevant -- overall experience is what counts.
No one is getting any GT/sports car for practicality's sake!
I had a 2007 V8V and it was a really reliable car. I changed out the clutch myself (a huge pita and still very $$$), but very interesting to have gone through in the end. I unfortunately had to sell because the pandemic F'd my business, but I have great memories.
I've had my 2007 V8V for 2 years now. Great car with lots of power and presence. Niggles for me are ensuring the trickle charge remains on (to avoid electrical messages) and it has a poor handbrake design. We need more Aston Specialists as the Stealerships want to take your pants down everytime. Had a twinplate clutch put in at 60k miles. I'm sure the original would have lasted but it was killing my hip. Everyone including tradesman try to apply Aston tax on quotes when they visit and assume that you're minted and not worked all your life and lived relatively prudently so as to afford one. Road tax is unfairly high when considering most only do 1-2k miles per year
@@craiglawrence3890 May I ask whether or not the twinplate clutch was a significant improvement?
When the Tin man met the Wizard of Oz, even though the Wizard explained how impractical having a heart was because they could never be made unbreakable, the Tin man simply said “but I still want one”
I agree, it has its faults, but who could not look at it every time and think
Wow!
many people view them as unreliable because they run to the dealership every time they get a warning light on the dash and the occur all the time. most are red herrings and can be safely ignored. but many people are terrified of them and head directly to the dealership to have them "fixed".
on a recent cross country trip i had six or seven warning lights. from O2 sensor warnings (deep in the manual it states that these can occur if the driver simply changes the "style" of their driving, to tpms warnings to air bag warnings to tire inflation warnings on a cool morning. none of them needed attention. in fact i drove the car 5500 miles across the country without any mishap at all. the only warning that would have been of assistance but was not registered is that the thermostat was defective.
this guy is all over the place, way too may digressions... anyway the biggest fault of the early vantages was with the transmission on the manuals. the reverse gear is way, way too high. it results in an abnormal amount of stalling and a consequent slipping of the clutch to deal with it. too, the throttle response in reverse, for some reason is atrocious and only adds to the difficulty of backing up. many don't like the semi-automatic paddle shifting transmission either, but honestly none of them from that era was particularly good.
and yes the parts are ridiculously expensive. some however can be with a bit of diligence sourced from ford or volvo or jaguar. for example, the aforementioned thermostat was sourced from ford for $15.00 (NAPA) rather than from Aston Martin for $172.00 (amazon). same savings are for the taking on brake pads.
if you want to have a vantage and maintain it inexpensively, stay away from the dealership, find a good independent garage or do it yourself and spend time on the internet looking for any parts you need. that's my advice.
What is the the best transition you recommend ? Sportshift from which year on?
Dont forget how timelessly beautiful its design is on the exterior. That is a huge selling point.
Couldn’t disagree more. Having owned 2 Vantages in the past, one V8 and the other a V12, I found them both relatively reliable and parts not overly expensive. As with any luxury brand, you can always pick out a few items that are eye wateringly expensive, but in the main its reasonable. There are a number of reputable specialists out there to even keep servicing costs down. I think your research would be more reliable and trust worthy if you spoke to owners rather than relying on unverified sources on the internet 👍🏼
I stopped watching when he said 80 quid for pair of ferrari 360 shocks. Guy makes stuff up
Thinking of getting one soon hopefully I live in Ohio what specialists are you talking about
Pls Aston Martin owners don’t make a fool out of yr self its cheap but not to own LOL its a pc of sh.t
I test drove a 2016 V8 4.7S. In sport mode the car feels super alert and sounds amazing. I think i prefer the Sportshift over the manual gearbox, this is mainly because im 6'5" tall and the manual clutch is tiresome. Anyway, unless you have a lemon, my research tells me they are pretty reliable. The best used examples have Aston warranties.
Picked up my V8 Vantage in Feb and I love everything about it. I've driven manual ones before, along with the fully auto gearbox in the DBS and the SS-2 gearbox wins me over every time. The shear sound is something that puts a lump in your throat every time those valves open up.
Yes Ive experienced some of your "issues" first hand but you miss the point. The Vantage is an achingly beautiful car from just about any angle and the sense of occasion you get every time you drive her makes it worthwhile. Sure there are other cars that are more powerful, that handle and go round corners better, that are cheaper to run but if you go into ownership with your eyes open you will not be disappointed. I use mine as a daily driver and on most outings a member of the public will compliment me on the car - in my experience you don't get that with a Porsche or Ferrari.
I drive a BMW Z4 but want a V8. Is it really good for a daily driver in terms of reliability?
@James Pink I want a V8...but BMW for life. Z4 is probably more fun than M5.
@James Pink I have (sports package, I believe) M5's are awesome. I was more so speaking on the curvey roads I like to go on. Z4/ 3 series all day for that purpose of overall fun.
Some interesting points I agree with (clutch is horrible, parts too expensive in cases, Aston not supportive of owners, 4.3 not quite pokey enough) but a lot I disagree with.
Which one of these did you drive? A Vantage should handle beautifully
A 2009 V8 Vantage manual with no mods. It was on a very tight twisty route.
@@fullyplantd Yeah correctly maintained, setup etc... that should be a very engaging and enjoyable car - maybe you drove a bad one, or maybe the Aston's just not for you. It happens
Owned a 2014 V8, 2016 V8S then had a 2015 Boxster S and now back to Aston with a V12S. Saved up hard for each in turn. Tried Porsche but it was less reliable, sounded like a bag of spanners unless wrung out, boring PDK gearbox, didn’t feel premium through the cabin materials used, inadequate “premium” hifi, costly and very sniffy main dealer who refused to fit Michelin PS4S as the car wasn’t built with them.
All looked after Vantages are involving to drive at all speeds, not just license-losing, relatively good value to service at a main dealer, plenty of third party support (also, contrary to the video, pattern parts do get made, but I’d stick to original), you can get a good manufacturer warranty extension for over 10 years, etc.
But forget all that. The biggest reason I own an Aston is the community and support network. It’s much more than just owning another mass produced car. It’s about being part of something special and feeling every mile made you lucky to be on earth.
Or you could listen to somebody who jumped in a bad example for 0.2 miles and then learnt the world through forums 🤷🏻♂️
I own a 2013 manual coupe in California. I’m an engineer too, I can’t argue with your experience and your opinion and that’s all there is your opinion and I have my own opinion of the car.
You missed a point, what’s your criteria of a good car or what are you looking for in a car or your 2nd or 3rd car and how much is that worth to you specifically is very different from me.
Luckily for me I’ve owned one for the past 4 years and lucky for you there are many other options that you can choose over a vantage.
Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make it wrong or right.
Not sure what sources you used for your quoted information but some of your facts are not correct and it’s ok. I’m happy majority of people miss the point makes it more unique. Thanks for your review.
Bomb proof engine, rising prices, great place to sit, top after sales servicing from specialists, great kerb appeal, beautiful inside and out. “For a normal car it will cost you fifty quid to repair, this will cost you seven hundred” Name one thing that costs fifty quid on a “normal car” (whatever you think normal is) that costs seven hundred on a Vantage? Garbage.
I've owned three of them..One FHC and two roadsters..Great cars in all areas and always respect from the public. I think matey here may have had his judgement blown away with his syrup..
Have you ever actually driven or owned a Vantage?
Definitely not!
Why would you want to? What I have, is known some pretty unhappy Aston owners, including my boss!
@@utubecomment21 Why would you want to what? The question was drive *OR* own. Why wouldn't you want to *drive* one?? If you're into cars...makes no sense
I have had a 2010 v8v with MT for almost a year (4.7 liter). Love it! Definitely some quirks and flaws but beautiful and incredibly rewarding to drive/own. Clutch could be better but still...
Own one for three years now. Stock AMV8 2006 manual. Pro’s : 1) Design: perfect ratio car, elegance, headturner. 2) Interior: comfortable, leather everywhere 3) Driving: a great GT car. Negatives: 1) Hight biting point clutch 2) Reverse : this car was not designed to reverse a lot ( especially not uphill). Overall: A great car that is a treat to drive especially as a GT ( the stock AMV8 manual 2006).
Got twin plate and you wont look back. lighter, better feel, better wear and costs the same as the stock item.
@@user-qq2mo1ek2rwhat do you mean by twin plate ?
@@sillybilly7467 the clutch that Aston Martin fitted and what most if not all manufacturers fit to manual gearboxes is a single plate clutch however, you can buy an aftermarket twin plate clutch that all Ng with a lightened flywheel that is far better, can handle more power and is lighter on the clutch pedal. All for the same price (maybe cheaper) than a stock clutch.
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r alright thank you my friend. I also watched an in-depth video of RedPants about this. But this issue is present also in the sportshift transmission or only in the manual ?
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r I wanted to buy a manual desperately for the feeling of real driving , but if the clutch sucks then I’d rather go for a cheaper sport shift. Many reviews say they are the better alternative. Which one is it in your experience ?
This video actually made ME BUY a V8 Vantage :)
Appreciate this guy's perspective but he's sort of splitting hairs and making things sound like major differences or drawbacks... but compared to what?? The comments about the clutch are exaggerated and perplexing. The clutch isn't particularly odd or challenging, certainly not to trigger such a visceral reaction. Also odd/incongruent that the video shows mostly footage of 430 hp V8V... which performed about the same as a Carrera of the same era... while saying the Vantage is substantially underpowered. It did 0-60 in 4.8 seconds.... what would be considered sufficiently powered? 4.4? Just begs the question: Underpowered compared to what? Even taking his review on its own terms, the conclusion in the title (don't buy one) doesn't seem to logically follow..... he acknowledges a lot of valid reasons why people love the car, agrees they are really well built, attractive, reasonably obtainable price point... sure they have expensive repairs but no more so than any exotic..... so I conclude you should not buy one.
I've had a 2012 V8V for nearly 4 years now (got it July 2019), so the 4.7L one. It's definitely more of a GT than a true sports car. I think this is mostly true of the AM brand in general, by the way; they are a mix of luxury and sportiness. (Not as much as a Bentley Continental GT, but still.)
It's plenty fast for me, and still a blast to drive and it's the only car I have (mainly for city commutes.)
It temporarily stranded me when it wouldn't start, and did so properly one more time when the clutch gave out and had to be towed. These problems were in the first month or two of owning, even after a PPI. Ditto with replacing the TPMS.
*However*, after sorting these issues out -- which was not cheap, but obviously the car itself was a great deal compared to alternatives at the price point -- it's basically been trouble free for me ever since.
I use the paddles (yes D mode can be jerky), and I have the dreaded V1 of the automated manual. I avoid reversing up hills and stopping on a hill can be awkward engaging afterward, but it's manageable and any manual car will have the same basic problems.
Most people who aren't familiar with the AM brand still think it's a new car, and IMO it's the prettiest understated sporty GT car out there still. It's also unique enough and *different* than 911s that it positively sticks out for most car enthusiasts.
So, I don't dispute a lot of the points made in this video, but to summarize: the looks, combined with the fact that it's fun to drive around town, gets you most of the way there as to why it's popular among a certain set of people. I wouldn't chalk it up to an emperor-has-no-clothes conspiracy! 😛
Yeah, I shouldn't have bought my second Vantage, but I love my convertible (sport shift) so much that I had to buy a coupe (6 spd manual) to add to the stable. What is this guy talking about? I LOVE mine and often find myself taking the longest routes because I don't want to get out of them! Sorry, but ask owners how they feel about them and they will tell you they love them. The Vantage is THE car to get in 2021 - prices are only moving UP, and for good reason!
Yeah I bought my V8V in mid 2019 -- and got the 4.7L generation. I don't like the new Vantage's looks as much, and I think this sentiment has helped push up the older Vantages. From my perspective, 2023's prices are above 2019s as I did a lot of research at the time to see what the price points were.
They are still a good deal today but not quite as much as they were just before pre COVID.
Hope you achieve your mission of making the Vantage an unappealing car and driving down the price when you come to buy yours 😂😂
I’ve owned 2 Aston Martins one was a Vantage.. I’ve had Porsches many other sports cars. I can honestly say the Aston’s were the most reliable cars and most enjoyable to drive the after service from the dealership is also amazing . The only one that comes close for enjoyment is the BMW X5 M which is running at 750 bhp now … which is a much better car than my Porsche or the Rs4 . an Aston Martin is probably one of the best looking cars ever made . Ask James Bond ;)
You must own one for 10 years and driven it over 100k miles, which I have. It is not the fastest or best handling car out there, however the steering feel is as good or better than anything out there. It does have the trailing throttle hop which can be lethal as it was in Lemans a feww years back, but if you are aware of it, it is tolerable, you just have to know it is coming and not lift. The car was designed and built under Ford tenure and mechanically very reliable. The clutch BS is from the poor folks that don't know how to drive a manual, and there must be quite a few. It is my go to car for any drive up to 3-4 hrs in any weather save snow. I reccomend forums over videos for gathering info. The key to a car is how one feels in the seat and how much, and how quickly, confidence in the car manifests. It is a great car to have in flyover country, especailly in gray; few know what it is and fewer care, irradicating the problems with a car on the rare side in more urban areas. Also, I would not consider tracking one of these in street condition ever. All four corners have to be completely readied as the bushing are not up to the task. Also, the crank shaft is a thing of beauty, a work of art, but the rods and pistons deifinitely are not, fine for street driving but inviting disaster if run hard continually. If you want to race, get a cart or buy a car and make it track ready, you will have way more fun, save a lot of money, and maybe your life. BTW. in america we got plenty of scrap yards, replaced a bent knuckle on the car from a bump i hit. Also, I have until recently used mustang gt rotors at $90 instead of AM rotors. I replaced the High spec alarm system, FoMoCo right on it $47. Nobody in ther right mind will ever fix the sat nav, this guy is nuts. I have 170k miles on my original clutch. The 4.3 is fine with power. He is nuts about the clutch weight, his is likely spent, power is more than adequate, i do have power pak and high flow cats. I often skip gears. It is fine in corners, and confident, and has a heavy feel which is great as it is much more predictable, except for the hop mentioned earlier, surprisinngly not even mentioned in the video which is demonstrative of the knowledge base on display here. If you are looking seriously, this is not an unbiased video.
I’ve owed a Cayman S, F21 M5 and a 4.7 V8 Vantage. The Aston was my favourite. Everyone let’s you out, people come and tell you what a nice car it is, the sound is amazing, it’s a V8, it’s timeless.
Agreed -- and the timelessness of the V8V's design, plus the relative uniqueness, is ultimately what won me over vs a 911. (Which I also like. As well as some of the BMW coupe models too. I've been in / "built" online many of these over the years.)
One of the best looking cars of all time. Not a Porsche. Reliable if you can afford to run it. Nuff said really.
"Not a Porsche"? Some of the other Martins are the best looking ever....but the Vantage??
Have those guys owned a Vantage for long enough?? Mine is 15 years old and still going strong!! It is a beautiful car period. I have 2 Porsches 996 and a 991.2 4S. I love the Aston. It is not as fast I know. With the double clutch and a engine map and cats removed! I love it.
Umm, those aren't reliability issues, if you insist on paying AM £100 for a filter you can buy in a Mazda box for £20, that's just stupidity. As for "the paint is bad, it might need a respray after 15 years", seriously? Finally, a "double flywheel" clutch? Did you perhaps mean a "twin plate clutch"? 😂😂😂
Very informative video thanks. I test drove a 2010 manual Vantage yesterday and I liked it a lot. Previously coming from a manual E92 V8 M3 with similar power I was surprised how much more special the Aston felt during the run. I was originally looking at buying a 997 2s or 4s with rebuild completed or spend more and go for the 997.2 but just love the look of the Vantage. Late nights ahead deciding🤔
What did you end up buying? I have a similar shopping list. 997.1 is an amazing car but bore scoring issue is a worry? Is like a 14k ticking time bomb potential engine rebuild?
Absolutely loved my 2007 V8V that I owned for about 2.5 years - but we should never be concerned about honest reviews like this, so that a constructively critical purchase approach can be made. 'Upgraded' recently for a slightly younger manual V12V. Not looking back. BTW - I think AM parts etc are way better 'value' than Lambo - it's all relative,and (massive understatement) sources vary wildly on price...
Last week, I had the opportunity to drive a 2012 V8 Vantage, and I must say, it's a remarkable car both inside and out. The steering and response were impeccable, the balance was great, and it was definitely an attention-grabber. However, my only complaint was the clutch engagement when shifting into first gear, which felt unnervingly thin compared to other manuals I've driven, including my current E39 M5. Once you get past first gear, though, it's a marvel. Nevertheless, I am a lifelong ///M guy and wouldn't consider driving this car daily. However, as an additional car to the collection, it's definitely a great choice.
I have a vantage, I’ve had it over a year and I love my car but I tend to agree with you , you are right 👍
Pls its built from cheap car parts but enjoy yr a fool
STOP PRESS:- it has a shitty standard plastic ended radiator - but NAR group uk Ltd will sell you the upgraded one for half the price of a dealer ….service it at BAMFORD ROSE with the bald headed one & drive your car future AM happy !!
I just put a V8V around a track for a few laps and instantly fell in love. So much so I’m considering making an investment.
I've owned over 30 sports cars over the years and have a V8 Vantage 4.3 in the "stable". Love it. Comfortable, excellent steering feel, fun and usable. In 3 years, I've had no issues beyond wear items and routine maintenance. Gets just enough attention, but nicely under the radar.
Kinda lol at "difficult to drive". Couldn't be easier. Clutch really isn't that heavy. Double flywheel? I think you mean twin plate clutch with a lightweight flywheel.
I've pushed this car into corners very fast. Also own a featherlight Lotus. The Aston handles very admirably for something as comfortable and usable as it.
The steering isnt't "GT" steering, it's just of the era. All cars in that era aren't fast and effortless like modern cars. Which I actually prefer. Modern Porsches have no feel.
I also average 19MPG.
Thank you for your review.Some of the things that you mention reflect one's feelings about a bad day when perhaps the engine warning light comes on for no apparent reason!What is misses is the sense of occasion one feels driving a beautiful hand built car at home on a twisty country road! I am now retired and have throughout my life had many exotic cars but I would not swop my 2006 V8 Vantage for any of them and I will only sell it when I can no longer climb in and out of the sumptious leather interior!
As for its value,I paid £29k for my 20 thousand mile car just 2 years ago and.on a routine annual
fixed price( £680 )service was offered £36k! How's that for an expensive car to own!
You took 4:30 seconds to finally get to the point. You waffle on too much.
The guy has never driven a sorted car, just talking stereotype nonsense
He chats a lot of bollocks
I don't believe for a second replacement springs on s Ferrari are £80. My 1990 Vauxhall Nova SR needed new front springs in 2003 and that was £120 then for a Nova!
Or, if you’re not caught up on brand identity and posing, get a BMW e92 M3 which will pummel a V8 vantage in all performance categories. If BMW is too pedestrian for you then look at the R8, 997.2 or 991.1.
Very true about 997.1 Porsche. Bore scoring and IMS bearings issue are endemic.
this sounds more like an advert for why you SHOULD buy a V8 4.7 Vantage. Had my 2015 model 6 months and I love it. My 911 carrera 2S had a major rebuild then the guy I sold it to had to have the same bloody rebuild - cylinders 4,5,6 - apparently its very common - and I did not even think it was fast - it felt Meh. In comparison the Vantage feels pretty fast. And its just such an awesome car - every time you get into it, its a thrill. My Merc S500 was almost as fast and the detailing just as good, but it didn't feel as special as this - its such a great place to be - the design and build quality is still great 10 yrs on. Price of failures - is something I had factored in before I bought it. You would not buy a Ferrari and expect to get £50 repair bills ? I cant think of any other car I'd rather have - and essentially its all analogue - I love that also.
I don't quite understand the car fix comment, I am currently waiting on $300 repair on my subaru that only has 25000 miles on it and is 3 years old, the part shouldn't have broken, plain and simple, cars have issues all the time, and supercars are no different, when owning a supercar, its typically not an issue of money
I recently purchased one. absolutely love it.
Don't bag on a car because YOU can't afford one. Make more money and it won't be a problem.
Great review, I’m interested in the Maserati Ghibli petrol, do you have an opinion?
I like the offering but I've heard reliability is bad. Modern saloons are incredibly boring so it's frustrating considering that the Ghibli should be something with a bit of character.
I'd rather consider something like a Panamera, Alfa Giulia, B8 RS4, Jaguar XE V6 S.
it's good to let people know that they can't buy an aston and expect the dealership to treat it like a brand new 25k car, but I never would. I'd do all of the work it needs myself, source the parts myself, and that will ALWAYS save you money, even more so on something simple that has higher cost because of pedigree.
Also if I was going to own one, it'd be an 08 4.3 coupe manual.
In regards to power/mpg, there's a few kits for a couple grand where you can signifigantly bump power and torque, like 60 hp, and make real world mpg go go nearly 28 on the highway just be freeing up the intake and exhaust system with less restrictions. The fuel tank is enourmous btw, 20 us gallons. Even stock you will probably get 400+ miles per fill up.
I'm not an owner, but I would love to be able to own one some day.
IMHO, another selling point for the 2005-2017 V8 Vantage is that it is the best looking car of all time. Nothing else captures the sleek elegance of this car.
Even its more premium contemporary V12 stablemates, while using a similar design language, just don't capture the same look. The new one (2019+) has lost the magic completely.
The 2005-2017 V8 Vantage is simply the most gorgeous car ever made, and possibly the most gorgeous car that will ever be made.
He is right. Most people buy a almost 20 years old Aston not because they love the brand. It is only because they can finally buy a exotic car for around 50k. They buy to make themselves look good, to flex in front of their friend and families, on social media, etc. Then they got hit by a normal Aston repair bill that they just don’t have the extra fund to spend. They are the people who complaint about Aston. People who love the Aston Brand and really ready to own one already knew and ok with the possible repair bill.
The 2006 to 2009 v8 vantage uses a lot of parts from other cars. The engine is two ford i4 put together so you can get cheap ford parts to replace anything on it. The infotainment system is Volvo so you can replace it with volvo components. Personally I love working on my car so this makes that generation of Aston a steal.
Im thinking about buying a vantage in those range years. What resources can I look into to see about ford engine?
It's very simple ...... It's a piece of art on wheels with the nod appeal!
I’ve owned a 2006 Vantage V8 6-speed for 3 years. It has been very reliable. Just oil changes and a few hood and door struts. You missed one of the best selling points which is the beautiful styling of the Vantage that was specially designed using the golden ratio. I upgraded to a Velocity AP x-pipe, 200 cell cats and a stage 2 tune. It woke the car up. It is a blast to drive. MPG and the stereo system mean absolutely nothing to me. The same applied to both my 911’s
I've only known three people who bought Aston's, and it was a bad experience for them all. My boss bought a DB9, and the engine sounded great ... when it worked (cough), which wasn't very often!
*Month 1* - 16 days at the dealer being repaired ...
*Month 2* - 15 ...
*Month 3* - 18 days ...
*There wasn't a month 4!* He ditched it for an F430 ... oh well ... out of the frying pan ..........
But nothing was worse than my cousins and brother's Porsche stories … but that's a comment for another time!
@@jazzcat5950 The point of having a car is to drive it. How can one do that, when it's on the back of a recovery truck … again, again and again!
@@jazzcat5950 People say that cars have become more reliable … maybe with Toyota's, but I look back at the Saab Turbo's my (step) dad had, and I remember that the turbo blew @ 140k. But there are many brands, especially German brands, that struggle to see a turbo last 40k miles, let alone 140k.
Wild horses couldn't drag me to buy a Merc from the last ... 25 years, and forget about BMW's .. in 6, 8 or 10 cylinders, it doesn't matter, they've all been a disaster. As for the SMG gearbox (cough). And after my brother's experience, the less said about Porsche the better.
I think what has changed is us. We don't want to drive anymore, instead, we want sofa's for seats, we can't do with just a simple radio, we want the whole THX, 7.2 surround sound ... we're not content with one Turbo, now we need four (BMW).
I think we need to slow down (forget 0-60 and top speed), lose some weight and width (have you tried to get a modern car into one parking space, it's impossible!) because I think we're going somewhat backwards.
The reason we need so much safety in our cars, is because there are estate cars and saloons that can do over 200mph, Yeah, like we all drive at a constant 203mph, when ever we get into the car.
... anyway ....
We are talking about the v8 vantage platform, these cars are quite bulletproof, the db9 has more issues indeed.
Being a once proud owner of a manual 2009 Vantage one of the first 4.7l. I sold the car with 10,000miles on the clock, after having only owned the car for 8 months. The intolerably heavy clutch had become the cause of anxiety of being snarled up in traffic...Im now considering a Lexus LC500 and would welcome any feedback
HAHA!!! Vantages have some issues, but fewer than all the cars i have had before - 43 cars, including 8 Porsches -( I still have a Porsche 996 ,2001 as my everyday car -and it is the 996 and EARLY 997 that had some issues with engines)
If you are a Car enthusiast, You do your research, and understand what can happen, and what you can do about it.You are right!!!It is the perfect GT car,but NOT a Sportscar!!!The trunk will take a lot of bagage for 2 people on vacation. We have been driving almost 6000Km the last few years through Europe with this car. The Parts are not expensive.You buy them on E-bay -and if you take some time to look on forums , you buy complete service kits for the same money as for my Audi.. Every Part i have needed, was a Part from one of the Car companies owned by Ford at the Time! Ford parts- Mazda- Volvo- Jaguar. Go to a good
Garage with your workshop book,or go to a Specialist like Bamford & Rose, if you live in England. Funny that you say that the clutch is good ( but so hard, you cannot drive the car in traffic..) The Clutch is actually rubbish...The car was meant to have the double clutch from the V12, but the " Beancounters" found it to expensive... Aston was ( and still is.. ) a small Company.. Only after having left the early Vantage platform in 2016 ? They put together a double clutch package... Earlier, there where other companies that put together kits, which involved lighter flywheels and double clutch. This will not only make Your clutch lighter,but also give you a new feeling of the car. With some other modifications, you could transform your Vantage to what you wan´t. I have modified my Navigation by changing it to a Garmin Touch system, for example.
MPG..Yes... It is expensive..Some modifications bring the MPG down, ... BUT!! the Petroltank is actually 80 liters, so you do not go from A to B trying to find petrolstations...
Why are Aston Vantages so popular by their Owners?
1. The perhaps most beautiful car ever built.
2. It is a Car, people on the street admire, and you are not seen as a "Douchbag"
3. NOT expensive to own, if you do some research
4.A car that is still more Analogue than Digital... Knobs and Switches!!!
5. Every time you go out in it, it is a Pleasure and a Feeling of being in something special, and knowing that it will not break down immediately ( Unlike the( few.. ) Maseratis and Ferraris I have had....
6.The sound
7. The interior ( I rather like the the early versions... much cooler with whole skins on the sets , without seams... )
I am a 63 year old Dentist from Sweden, who have lived in England, Germany, Kenya, Denmark and now again , in Sweden.
My cars are : Audi A2 1.6 TDI ( 119HP -tuned) 2005 - Porsche 996, 2001 - Aston Martin Vantage V8 , 2006
The manual clutch is heavy, high biting point, and the car was not meant to be driven in reverse. Everything else: the AMV8 2006 is a very comfortable GT and a joy to drive on a motorway. In town : yeah, you need to show that you know how to handle it. But that is part of the game.
Hi Hans, nice to read your commetns and great list of cars you have! Just returned from a Stockholm trip - such a nice place to see a lot of well keept cars on streets ;) i'm 36 and as i can see that V8V or AM in general is not a choice for youngsters and lovers of 0-60 or nurburgring laptimes - these car are more for people who can enjoy aesthethic or flow of the good curved road driving fast but in a delicate way, if you collect all the points from the author of this video it seems like a best car option should be a hardly tuned Golf or Octavia but that is still will be covered by warranty ))))
Im currently on the fence buying one. I gave your opinion an honest chance but I just want one.
I make 150k a year, have more than that in savings. I am now finally at the point in my life where I can afford a luxury car, and though I could go for something brand new I want to have something that tickled me in my youth.
Youre right. The car isnt fast (not slow either) but thats actually a plus to me. You can step on thr peddle and actually hear that V8.
Imagine this this having 600hp and it doing 0-60 in 3.4 seconds. That would ruin it for me totally.
The navigation unit is horrible, but honestly what nav in a 17 year old isnt?
Hi mate, love the videos keep them up! In response to your video I would some advise on the following;
1. A daily driver that has a bit of a split personality (calm daily vs fast sports car feel)
2. Something not too common
3. A saloon or big coupe (not a sports coupe like z4 or TT)
4. Budget = 30-40K
5. Something on the high end of its spec (to hold its value)
Looking forward to hear back from you,
Triv
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - Unbelievable car, it's unique, feels special to drive, very chilled when you want it to be (it has an efficiency mode too which shuts off some cylinders, cars like the M3 and C63 don't have this).
They weren't cars which were sold in huge numbers but are appreciated by car fanatics so should hold well. It also has a ZF gearbox which is very well tuned, this means it is easy to drive daily but lightning quick when you want to push on.
@@fullyplantd too fast for the road, brake pads for example are more expensive that V8V )))
A friend of mine, Banker, who earned 500,000 Swiss Francs a year, drove his V8 Vantage every day, as only car, he had. Around 60,000 Kms, his clutch needed to be renewed, which is normal, they said... so, servicing plus a new clutch, they asked for 18,000 Swiss Francs. He had enough and left the car at the dealership, buying a used Jaguar s-Type instead, with notably the same V8 under the hood. This was so reliable and costed almost nothing in maintenance, compared to the Aston... Therefore, i drive a DB7 i6 (perfect car) and a ultra rare Cygnet, which costs nothing in maintenance...
Well the Swiss must be ripping your friend off. My clutch was £2.5k after 75,000 miles (upgraded, lighter flywheel) , £280 for a standard service
Thats for the content-very helpful. My GLE PCP plan is up for renewal. I’m just about to sign a new deal, but a PCH hire this time & it’s a better deal. I do around 8k miles a year. Would you say this is a wise choice? Thanks
Currently thinking about selling my Audi S5, mk4 Golf V6 4mo and mk2 Golf to buy a V8 Vantage… videos like this are making me think twice 😂
My DB9 is awesome. V12 with plenty of power. Only problem I have had was a blown radiator which I had re-cored at a good price. Have driven a Vantage and is now where near the DB9.
Some of what you say is true. However, to say its a dog to drive simply isn't true. Would be good to hear your context on why you feel it's not good to drive. Steering is direct, chassis is set up for GT car, its no Lotus in this respect however, to say its a dog to drive is garbage. I will agree the original cars fitted with the Dynamics dampers can be crash especially with the OEM fit Bridgestone tyres but the tyres being a wearable item, you soon fit Pilot sport 4s and its a different car. Mileage... I've never had 15mpg, always get around 20mpg, 22 on a run. Parts can be expensive (rear lights £1500 the pair) but there are plenty of spares specialists that offer better prices (but that's the same for all cars).
Handling is not rubbish, you can carry a lot of speed into corners..... Who's car did you drive? Was it correctly set up?
Technology in the cars upto 2009 were behind the times.
Great points... Just found this channel by off chance... Subscribed
You don’t have to buy everything OEM, especially on an older one. Get a good specialist. I’d buy one just for the looks and sound.
Please keep up these videos. I wish there were more like this for my own personal benifit. I was lazy buying a V8 Vantage manual last year and the prices shot up because of videos on the "best kept secrete - Aston Vantage". I still really want one buy I want the 2019 price.
I thought this review was well done.
You should watch my other video on why this is the worst time to buy a car. The V8 vantage hasn't shot up, the entire market has.
Just like any business this one has to generate income. And in the TH-cam universe there is no better way to grab views than to throw in a potentially controversial title that will gather some attention. And Voila views come in and money rolls into the account.
Here is my two cents - unless you have lived with an Aston Martin Vantage - and it is painfully obvious this person has not - you are not in a position to make the comments you are making. They are substantiated only by data you are gathering from the internet which is all inherently biased and more often then not wrong.
People who buy performance cars do not and should not care very much about resale value, reliability and the like. If we did Alpha, Aston, Ferrari, Lamborghini and others would have gone by the way of the Dodo many years ago. We buy these cars because we love driving them.
This is why comparison videos are quite silly as well. I don't care that the 911 is "better" then the Vantage according to this auto journalist or the next one. The only thing I care is that in my hands on the wheel and with my ass on the seat I have a bigger grin in the Aston then in the Porsche. That's it!!! That is the only argument I have to process. And so does every other true petrolhead.
I drive what I love - not what others tell me I should love.
The Vantage is a special car. Sounds great, drives great, comes with a proper gearbox and Aston will actually happily sell you one unlike some of it's competitors where one has to beg and pray that to get an allocation and be allowed into the "family". The Vantage turns more heads then any of it's competitors because it looks better (if that's your kinda thing) and mostly people in North America don't know what it is so you don't automatically get boxed in as an Asshole, which always a good thing.
So many plusses - maybe I should make a video called: Why You SHOULD Buy a V8 Vantage in 2021 / What people do tell you...
This guy nailed it on the head! You’re right , it’s absolutely insane to think someone who’s never owned or experienced the car as an owner would sit here giving biased stats he pulled out of the internet. As a sports car owner , enthusiast and driver I absolutely agree that the only argument that stands is how I feel when I drive the car, not what others tell me I should be feeling. Smiles for miles cost money, that’s the price of membership. Buy a Honda or a Prius if you want to save gas, money on repairs and to A to B. My previous CEO had an Aston and anywhere we went he always turned more heads than any 911 owner I have known: The car exudes class and elegance
Seems like a bit of Texas Sharpshooter logical fallacy going on.
I was curious so I looked up the spring cost for the Ferrari 360 mentioned. £138 each but the kicker is the damper is £835 and that is the part that wears out...
By comparison Aston V8 Vantage is £965 for the complete damper unit (spring + damper already assembled). So both cars are comparably expensive in that example.
I have an alternate theory that the low prices for some Vantages tempts people who would not normally buy an exotic. Then they need to replace a Vantage specific part and get sticker shock.
I don't know about this, for lots of parts e.g. A nav unit or lights, you would pull it from a scrapped car and springs if they were so much, you would just get aftermarket like bilsteins. It sounds like you drove a dog tbh, bad tires and alignment.... Watch some reviews from someone like jayemm if you haven't, he doesn't hold back on his reviews and is very honest, he shits on cars if they are bad and does not own one. Fuel economy and the clutch is literally no concern for a weekend car. It seems like a strange video, idk what you are trying to do? Maybe get them down to the point you can afford them?
Very good vídeo, you said the truth. Congrats.
Hi Doug, great video! Can you help, I’m wanting a ‘new shape’ AM Vantage 2019/20. Full warranty and I plan to keep it for just 12 months. What’s the best way to get myself into one and a guarantee of costing no more than £20k in depreciation over this period? I’m aware that many of the original extras are now standard. David
man.. thanks for the level of detail. got me thinking I should keep my e46 m3 and maybe avoid this...
The V8 Vantage is a winner because it's just as good as the competitors for a fraction of the price. It's seriously slept on and like every 90s hero car, it is going to become unaffordable one day.
Thank you. I have been considering purchasing as a second car in retirement. A lot of good information for me to consider.
You should try to test drive a Vantage. I was blown away by it, and I would say that the video is more accurate than not, it doesn't accurately capture the overall *sentiment* that results from flaws in the car.
In other words, the looks and style, and general day-to-day drivability (and ample trunk space) can make it a great daily that isn't too expensive to maintain. And a mini-event each time you take it out.
Thank you, my philosophy is that when I see the owner of an Aston Martin sitting next to his car in a shop giving an honest review is that I will run from that car,
You wanna have no issues with tail lights, clutch, door lock, and electrical window modules???
Get yourself a Lexus and enjoy your life
Despite the hate against these beauties, ill still be purchasing one, nonetheless.
I don't have or have never owned an Aston Martin, but there could also be the factor than many owners enjoy their cars regardless and haven't had all the problems some owners have reported.
Yes I had a bunch of problems at first. Was in the shop a fair amount. Afterward... going on a 4th year of basically no issues (except 2 yr service, and one or two check ups when a warning light went amiss but it wasn't anything costly in the end.)
A lot of people are buying the older Astons for looks, having some deferred maintenance to sort out and parts to replace, and then having it be fine if it's driven regularly afterward. But if you just did right after you bought, then maybe you'd note that it was problematic.
However I question whether these people have bought other used European cars. Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Range Rover, Bentley etc are all notorious as well for being expensive to maintain. Especially once it's out of warranty.
I just got a service and a new drive shaft on my ford transit custom £800.00 at a Ford Dealer . I did get 75.00 discount because I do work for them now and again.
I gave you the thumbs down not because I own one, but because of your laziness. As an owner of a used to be very expensive car you want your cake and eat it. Those era Astons are FoMoCo parts bin galore. Probably one of the cheapest "exotic" cars to own if you do some basic homework.
I love mine.. but I can fix it myself. If you can't work on your own car, don't buy it..
I’ve never driven a vantage, but btw my local ford dealer will charge $300 for simple diagnostic, dealers are expensive no matter the brand
older Volkswagen clutches catch high. Gives me a feel of a worn clutch.
I thought that was a very objective video and certainly buying one that had been run on a budget would be asking for expense and trouble unless the price reflected it as I found when I bought my E46 325ci sport several years ago - that cost me many thousands to get right but it’s perfect and I’ll never sell it. Your comment regarding 15mpg or so and regular fuel station stops - I also have an early 4.0 mk2 Range Rover and you’re right about that too, it’s much more economic when it’s parked in my garage! Incidentally they have a reputation for unreliability and expense but mine has been looked after and is great, 17 years ownership and counting. Just going to watch your vid on the M2 now as that’s another car on my radar. Ps - sounds great economy from your slk 55, my wife has the 200 kompressor and don’t think she manages that. Cheers :-)
Nice! The M2 is a completely different car, it's very stale in comparison, I've often wondered if the manual is more engaging than the DCT, I'll have to drive one sometime. I drove a Lotus Evora last week and that was everything I wanted the Aston to be, it was light, engaging, easy to drive and a ton of drama even just cruising down the motorway.
@@fullyplantd I completely agree, Evoras are worth a look, rear seats for space and v6 Toyota engine it’s bound to be reliable and good.
II did it anyway, and it’s been the best thing I ever did.
You clearly aren’t a connoisseur of art my friend. It is quite possibly the most beautiful timeless design of a coupe in the modern era. I would have one simply just to look at it.
If you want a cheap to run car, buy a Nissan Micra. If you want a totally reliable car, buy a Honda. If you want a boring car, buy a Tesla. But if you want an exclusive (i.e. rare), lovely looking and exciting car to own - buy an Aston. No less reliable than a contemporary Ferrari, Maserati or Lambo. And parts prices are roughly on a par (ask me how I know this). You miss the point of owning an exotic - of any make.
Don’t forget that they now being Mercedes in a Aston body, getting a 3rd party garage to work on them is pretty much nil. They need to buy very expensive diagnostic machines, PLUS the software, PLUS the yearly SUBSCRIPTION to even use any of it. Only to have maybe one Aston a yr to come by.
I’ve owned none…I’m heading for a Slk 350 (used 08) if I’m lucky. Addicted to car videos though. Cheers for the run down. Slk 55 was incredible
Considering this is a "feeling issue". Been comparing to Maserati Gran Turismo and a couple of Ferraris, and any of these cars is upon right approach of it's owning: if the cost is an issue owning such a vehicle, there are endless amount of cost effective options out there. It's stupidity to buy one and complain it costs to maintain. During viewing I started to think about design furniture: you pay 5000-10.000e for a piece, saying it won't "lose appreciation" or even goes up on value. Sure. But do you sit better than on 399e Ikea couch? You can have 10 of them. Also the clutch issue; why hardly any automaker continued making big engines with manual gearbox is THE CLUTCH. Big engine, high torque, manual gearbox - you must pump iron with it. You don't need more than turbocharged cars from late 1990s to have left leg damaged. A good, traditional automatic would have been a match with A-M V8, but there's none to compare to. Also, a heavy car with naturally aspired big engine means big consumption. Try Bentleys. Bringing SLK in as comparison it's quite something; it's a tiny car.
Technically speaking, nobody should buy an Aston Martin. Neither Ferrari. Be an engineer, be rational. But a good question is how V8 Vantage sold so much, if it wasn't a good purchase? And what comes to appreciation: I found many for €40k and under two-three years ago. Now all in prestige condition are above €50k, are if sold in Finland, you must pay €65-80k for 2006 models with below 100.000km and well maintained. Means, it's getting up.
And we could always discuss about Mercedes quality when all money went to support failed Chrysled merge, or Porsche until 2007-8 and necessary updates. But I think as a Finn it's like those Artek furniture pieces: those are absolute horror to sit on, but take decades... so you rather suffer to own design. Rational? If you value design and decor you see above the feeling in your ass. And can say, after driving 6700km around Europe in Fiat 500 Twinpower (yes, it's 875cc two cylinder) and thinking it was best of all cars I did the tour so far. With 5,1L/100km however you drove. So, I'm considering having perhaps Aston Martin - and keep the Fiat. :D
-tk-
They are beautiful that's why. Only way I would own one is if I could afford the bumper to bumper warranty they offer here in the US.
-Looks amazing inside and outside
-Sounds amazing
-a freaking Manual Gearbox on a NA V8.
What more do you want?
This guy is a joke. He left a review about a used car he test drove and never owned
First he claims the car didn’t handle well, as an Aston Martin owner I can verify these cars handle and corner very well and maybe his test car was a piece of crap
Second he claims the repairs are too expensive and compares prices to a Ford --seriously? I have own about 120 cars by now and I could cherry pick Ford parts that would make your eyes water too. The parts he mentioned are not even parts that get commonly replaced
While these cars are more expensive than the average car to repair, they are one of the cheapest exotic car to own and repair
My costs to own have been very reasonable-far less than any of 6 bmws I owned that would get 4000-5000 repair bills every couple months (this is not an exaggeration)
He complains about driving a clutch in rush hour traffic-well my Mini Cooper and bmw clutches were miserable to drive in rush hour too
He is complaining about the navigation system on a car that was designed 17 years ago and about the fuel economy. Well maybe he should go back to his 2017 Ford Focus where he belongs
I think he is bitter he either couldn’t afford the car or he is doing this video to get hits to make money. Either way it’s not an accurate depiction of reality
Why are parts so expensive, in particular in the gadget area? Because we want an AM entertainment system, not a Volvo one. Because we want AM indicator stalks, not Ford ones, because we want AM mirror switches, not Ford ones, and the list goes on.
I believe that my Jaguar XK purchase is the better one: most of the serviceable items are simply from Ford and there are plenty of spare parts on the market. Often, gadget equipment can easily be found second hand, e.g. from XFs, XJs, etc. So you get just about the same level of build quality, same or even higher luxury and sportiness, with more space and a far higher degree of daily driver. Also, there are far more forums out there with many owners with DIY experience on their cars to share to keep running costs down. You just confirmed to me that I made the right choice, albeit without the highly desirable AM badge..
So in a summary no 4.3 no manual, no crappy automatic basically 4.7 vantage S is the only choice if fuel consumption and maintenance is not an issue?
I'd love to hear your opinion on current AM models to see if they've addressed past issues such as Christian von Koenigsegg does with his creations after getting feedback on areas that need improvement.
Fully agree, look at these reviews out in the work before you buy,
really appreciate your opinion!