If you missed part 1, be sure to check it out! th-cam.com/video/URrr1Xv7j0o/w-d-xo.html Or head over to our channel for many more! www.youtube.com/@protomotive
I watched both your videos. Thanks for the info. I've had my 997.1 turbo tip for many many years. Only thing I was every able to bring myself to do was a Europipe Stage 1 exhaust. It seems like even a tune will require faster and more expensive replacement of plugs, possibly wearing out turbos faster and you even said getting to 600 lbs of torque, head studs become an issue. That's why every couple of years when I get the itch to tune and go down this rabbit hole, I pull back. I think the only other "safe" mode to do besides the exhaust is an upgrade of the intercoolers. Maybe pick up a few hp. Anyway, thanks for the great videos and reminding me why I can't bring myself to do this haha.
All valid points you don't typically hear when you call up a "tuning" shop... Yes, by increasing the power you're typically also increasing the maintenance schedule. Extremes would be top fuel dragsters that are rebuilt after each run! Now, that's nuts! But modest mods can yield nice improvements while staying on a very factory'ish maintenance schedule. Depending on how you drive the cars, of course. If you run your car at the track all the time, you'll want to be maintaning it after each event. Vs. driving it across country multiple times you wouldn't even think about it other than maybe checking out the tire wear and windshield washer fluid. You're also correct about the intercoolers. Once installed they're like free horsepower, better reliability, cooler intake air temps and all the goodness! We've always strived for our "more power with less boost" philosophy which reduces the maintenance and keeps up the reliabiliity. At stock boost levels, my personal car makes nearly double the stock hp by using increased displacement, excellent airflow characteristics, low restriction turbos and high quality fuels. I'll be excited to watch it tick over the 100,000 mile marker! To keep the level of maintenance down, be sure to use only excellent oils, filters, plugs and other service items in your maintenance schedule. BTW, the Europipe is an excellent choice for your Tip since they tend to hang in an area that many other exhausts would horribly drone.
@@protomotive thank you for the reply. Having been on six speed forum online for years, you are a very well respected tuner in this realm. Yeah I think after almost 13 years of ownership I’m going to upgrade my intercoolers ha ha. That’s great to hear all the stuff you can do to not affect reliability. And yes, I love the EP one. Modest bump in horsepower and torque with no drone and a very throaty sound. I drive my car, mostly city and freeway miles with spirited runs here and there. Never tracked. But I’m so busy with work. I can’t deal with a car that needs constant attention and maintenance. my car has had all the major issues known with this engine: coolant pipe failure, spun camshaft, etc. So like I said, I just can’t bring myself to add more complexity and further issues down the line. But I think I’m finally gonna pull the trigger on intercooler’s. Give me a little more horsepower and still keep me engaged with my car and make it feel fresh. I know you guys make your own intercoolers which I’m sure you recommend but any others that you would consider possibly? Thank you.
@@mak23997 It's awesome you've stuck with it through the typical issues. It should really be to the point of having fun again! Yes, our massive intercoolers are a huge upgrade. However, for oem replacement at nearly stock power levels a set of the dot 2 or gt2rs intercoolers are a great and relatively low cost update. I was just told the other day by another client that FVD has a killer price on them right now. Give Rhonda a call down there and be sure to say Hi from us :) The next up from those would probably be the Wagner intercoolers. You'd see a nice improvement in intake air temps and lower pressure drop through either of these over the stock 997.1TT intercoolers. It's amazing that even from the improved dot2/gt2rs intercoolers to ours on a stock 997.2 turbo we still see another 40-50hp improvement without any other change :)
So could I expect a 40-50 hp increase using the .2 or gtrs intercoolers as well, without a tune and just my EP1 exhaust, or are those figures only for your intercoolers? Thanks.@@protomotive
@@mak23997 That figure was found when dynoing our intercoolers vs dot 2 or gt2rs ones on a totally stock 997 dot 2 turbo.... As for your stock intercoolers to the dot2 or gt2rs, you'll probably see a 20+ degF temp drop plus an increase in flow, both of which will help out your power, temps, response and all kinds of goodness. At higher boost the temp drop is even more significant. Here's a nice writeup on them on 6speedonline. www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/225492-997-2-intercoolers-wow-8.html And a full install writeup here: 911car.blogspot.com/2012/02/porsche-997-turbo-intercoolers-upgrade.html?m=1 These are kinda old now, but perfectly relevant to all your questions. I've personally not dyno'd these back to back vs. the 997.1TT cores, so don't have an answer. And both of these pages don't seem to either, but have a lot of data and opinions on them. Either way, they're a nice increase and will give you more consistent performance without heat soak.
If you missed part 1, be sure to check it out! th-cam.com/video/URrr1Xv7j0o/w-d-xo.html
Or head over to our channel for many more! www.youtube.com/@protomotive
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You're welcome. Be sure to check out part 1!
I watched both your videos. Thanks for the info. I've had my 997.1 turbo tip for many many years. Only thing I was every able to bring myself to do was a Europipe Stage 1 exhaust. It seems like even a tune will require faster and more expensive replacement of plugs, possibly wearing out turbos faster and you even said getting to 600 lbs of torque, head studs become an issue. That's why every couple of years when I get the itch to tune and go down this rabbit hole, I pull back. I think the only other "safe" mode to do besides the exhaust is an upgrade of the intercoolers. Maybe pick up a few hp. Anyway, thanks for the great videos and reminding me why I can't bring myself to do this haha.
All valid points you don't typically hear when you call up a "tuning" shop... Yes, by increasing the power you're typically also increasing the maintenance schedule. Extremes would be top fuel dragsters that are rebuilt after each run! Now, that's nuts! But modest mods can yield nice improvements while staying on a very factory'ish maintenance schedule. Depending on how you drive the cars, of course. If you run your car at the track all the time, you'll want to be maintaning it after each event. Vs. driving it across country multiple times you wouldn't even think about it other than maybe checking out the tire wear and windshield washer fluid. You're also correct about the intercoolers. Once installed they're like free horsepower, better reliability, cooler intake air temps and all the goodness! We've always strived for our "more power with less boost" philosophy which reduces the maintenance and keeps up the reliabiliity. At stock boost levels, my personal car makes nearly double the stock hp by using increased displacement, excellent airflow characteristics, low restriction turbos and high quality fuels. I'll be excited to watch it tick over the 100,000 mile marker! To keep the level of maintenance down, be sure to use only excellent oils, filters, plugs and other service items in your maintenance schedule. BTW, the Europipe is an excellent choice for your Tip since they tend to hang in an area that many other exhausts would horribly drone.
@@protomotive thank you for the reply. Having been on six speed forum online for years, you are a very well respected tuner in this realm. Yeah I think after almost 13 years of ownership I’m going to upgrade my intercoolers ha ha. That’s great to hear all the stuff you can do to not affect reliability. And yes, I love the EP one. Modest bump in horsepower and torque with no drone and a very throaty sound. I drive my car, mostly city and freeway miles with spirited runs here and there. Never tracked. But I’m so busy with work. I can’t deal with a car that needs constant attention and maintenance. my car has had all the major issues known with this engine: coolant pipe failure, spun camshaft, etc. So like I said, I just can’t bring myself to add more complexity and further issues down the line. But I think I’m finally gonna pull the trigger on intercooler’s. Give me a little more horsepower and still keep me engaged with my car and make it feel fresh. I know you guys make your own intercoolers which I’m sure you recommend but any others that you would consider possibly? Thank you.
@@mak23997 It's awesome you've stuck with it through the typical issues. It should really be to the point of having fun again! Yes, our massive intercoolers are a huge upgrade. However, for oem replacement at nearly stock power levels a set of the dot 2 or gt2rs intercoolers are a great and relatively low cost update. I was just told the other day by another client that FVD has a killer price on them right now. Give Rhonda a call down there and be sure to say Hi from us :) The next up from those would probably be the Wagner intercoolers. You'd see a nice improvement in intake air temps and lower pressure drop through either of these over the stock 997.1TT intercoolers. It's amazing that even from the improved dot2/gt2rs intercoolers to ours on a stock 997.2 turbo we still see another 40-50hp improvement without any other change :)
So could I expect a 40-50 hp increase using the .2 or gtrs intercoolers as well, without a tune and just my EP1 exhaust, or are those figures only for your intercoolers? Thanks.@@protomotive
@@mak23997 That figure was found when dynoing our intercoolers vs dot 2 or gt2rs ones on a totally stock 997 dot 2 turbo.... As for your stock intercoolers to the dot2 or gt2rs, you'll probably see a 20+ degF temp drop plus an increase in flow, both of which will help out your power, temps, response and all kinds of goodness. At higher boost the temp drop is even more significant. Here's a nice writeup on them on 6speedonline. www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/225492-997-2-intercoolers-wow-8.html
And a full install writeup here: 911car.blogspot.com/2012/02/porsche-997-turbo-intercoolers-upgrade.html?m=1
These are kinda old now, but perfectly relevant to all your questions.
I've personally not dyno'd these back to back vs. the 997.1TT cores, so don't have an answer. And both of these pages don't seem to either, but have a lot of data and opinions on them. Either way, they're a nice increase and will give you more consistent performance without heat soak.