QNAP NAS - Before You Buy
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Buying your first Network Attached Storage (NAS) device can be a remarkably daunting task! Even for the most technologically knowledgable, a NAS is a very different kind of device than most of the hardware in your environment. At its heart, it is just a computer (like most things are when you break them down to the basics) that is built for a specific task. However, there are numerous elements of a NAS (such as it always being ON, the constant remote accessibility and focus on storage primarily) that set it apart from most other devices, and this si where a lot of people get a bit intimidated by it. There is always the option of using cloud services, such as DropBox, Google Drive, OneDrive and more, but these are often paid monthly subscription services, involve your data being shared across other services and (most worrying of all) leaves your precious data in a position to be used for analytics without your knowledge OR open to hacking because of the sheer size of the target. Add to this the fact that in most cases, a severed connection to the internet means a severed connection to your data, and the appeal of moving away from 3rd party cloud and on to a NAS is pretty clear. The industry of NAS has been in constant growth for over 30 years, with big players like HP, Dell and IBM steadily losing the home and SMB market to the likes of Synology, QNAP and more. The brand diversity in the field of NAS servers has continued to grow right up until 2021, with the benefit that the way you can interact with your data, what NAS devices can do and the price point of this technology being exceedingly affordable (with fully featured solutions WITH storage media arriving as low as £200). So, today I want to talk about what NAS is, what a NAS can do, and which NAS Brand you should consider buying in 2021.
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This is a good series, I am interested in going down the NAS route as it becomes clearer that eventually cloud-based storage is going to become a chargeable option as security, privacy and quantity & type of data become bigger issues both to us as individuals and to the tech companies.
The breakdown of the advantages and things to be aware off is excellent for, those like me, who have a basic understanding and can cope with straight forward tech things but are not geeks (I mean that in the nicest of ways, honestly). I want to be able to store and retrieve my photos, music & documents and be able to store it safely and if possible run my NAS with someone (relation, like son) so that we can piggyback and have an off-site back-up. I don't need to able to program but need to know that the software is available to let me do it.
I was an early adopter of the TS-453BT3. The NAS died while I was overseas. QNAP replaced the unit under warranty, however it didn't fill me with confidence in the device!
My TS-412 is still going strong, albeit in a diminished capacity - as a backup CCTV platform running Surveillance Station.
Can you add users specific folders with this setup with read and /or write privileges and individual passwords. For example: I’d like to share pictures and videos with family members across the country And have specific people to only be able to read / view files and others can write files. Would this unit fit the bill? Thanks!
I have a small question .. is it best to wait to load data on qnap 653 made for raid 5 until it finishes syncing after initial installation?
I was curious what your initial recommendation is between the tvs-872n or the tvs-872xt? I was looking towards the xt because of the i5 processor. I am going to purchase something here shortly for a Plex media server and expect to have various transcoding needs and my thought is the i5 would be better for that. Thanks.
My Wi-Fi dongle no longer works with the TS-453D after an update (?) ☹️ No access to router. Can't find official 802.11ax wireless card in Canada.... Supported USB Wi-Fi on QNAP website are ancient. They need to update the list
We are on Mac. Is it possible to use Spotlight to search files in th NAS?
I bought three TS1635's on the company dime. Bought for special projects of bringing a whole bunch of data, where the amount was " about .." x tens of terabytes each. For the purpose, the units worked well. None failed. We utilized them to move that data across thousands of miles overnight. The machines were officially retired, but still running. Those were purchased in early 2018. The devices were selected because it was 10 gigabit capable, had sufficient capacity for the intended quantity of data to be moved, could be encrypted, and shipped in a relatively small box, and it was raid 6, in case a drive failed in the course of shipping. The alternative was to buy another EMC SAN, put it in location A, copy the data over, and then ship the entire SAN to the final destination. Uh, we'll try the QNAP.. ;)
Being in IT, the only quibble I had- wasn't with the NAS, but our company's inability to provide an effective way to back them up; that's the real reason the machines weren't used elsewhere.
In any corporate environment, if it can't be backed up, it does not belong in the environment. That's VERY IMPORTANT.
Sadly, I still think that the devices were often faster than the 135 disk SAN we had; and definitely faster than the 48 disk Compellent and these devices, albeit only 36 raw TB, well, the machines did fairly well. But then, I didn't have 150 virtual machines running on the QNAPs either. Each, with 16 disks, were about $3500; In the datacenter, we also had a $50,000+ Dell Compellent and a $600,000 EMC SAN.
Looking at a Qnap TL-D8000S for around 700€ with free shipping. Should i buy one of these units?I’m planning to use it as a “file dumpster” for video clips and game file backups, photos and some other nonsense.
Thats great, but showing me some examples of the GUI etc would be useful. I want to see what you are talking about.
To anyone I'am thinking of buying a nas system to make things easier I stream movies and tv shows I have need something powerfull enough to run 2 4k movies at the sametime I have pc with planty of power with debian but its a pain to setup what should I do? can someone give their thoughts. Thanks
That’s very good point that qnap putting their stuff on table too early, one of my experiences was the 5gbe usb adaptor.. they start selling it more than a year but still not supporting Mac OS which they declared they did😆
Also, any recommendations for Thunderbolt 3 Nvme based networked DAS?
Despite of many choice, I'm still looking for Qnap solution for home use. My requirements for qnap: low power usage, 10GbTBase, less noise or no noise (because supposed to be in the living room into small apartment), 4Bay or more.
Looks that the model "HS-453DX" should be good, but based on qnap performance tests they got about 6Gbps with all disks disks as SSD in RAID 5. So, in case that I plan to use 2tiers, one tier as SSD cache and second tier as 2 HDD, then the speed will be far away from 6Gbps which the had, my expectation is that will be about to 5Gbps on cache tier.
Therefor looking for similar qnap solution but with 2 nvme ssd to be used as cache. Still I cannot found the good solution for my requirements.
Check out the specs for ts-473a. Haven't actually seen it for sale yet
Can do background task upload on IOS?
Thanks!
Ever considered doing a TrueNAS review?
I had a QNAP with 6 Hard Drives running RAID 6. I replaced one HD with a new NAS drive. A few daze later, both it and the drive next to it failed without notice. Nothing I have done will allow me to bring them back, and I lost 6 months of data. This is a major hit and this tells me the product is not a unit to be trusted. I have now ordered a different product.
I love QNAP, but Thunderbolt 3 connectivity is really unstable. Random disconnects trying to use it as a video/audio media library -- hours on the support desk with QNAP, keeps happening every few weeks.
i dont understand why you would want thunderbolt. its "network attached storage"... its designed to share its storage across the network.
these devices as so expensive to use as DAS
why just not load up your computer full of disks... why even use a NAS if your going to connect via thunderbolt.
@@hiddeninthewires2308 Because local DAS plus ability to share on network to others via NAS is a thing
@@ystebadvonschlegel3295 its the wrong tool for the job. you can make an argument for iSCSI if you want block based storage over ethernet... however thunderbolt is stupid and pointless. you should just put a bunch of disks inside your computer case or buy a JBOD enclosure. you dont need the CPU cores or memory hardware for a DAS because your just presenting the raw storage..
you can get 25/40/100 gigabit speeds if your storage is capable of it (think nvme or SAS flash storage). again buying a nas and using thunderbolt is missing the point of what a NAS is.
upgrade you network, use iSCSI if you want block storage or dont buy a NAS if you dont need to share data and save your money for something else
What you say (2:30) about QNAP bringing to market features that aren't fully supported is an understatement. I have 3 stories to demonstrate my point. The most recent is qts5's purported support of TCG Emterprise drives. I purchased such a drive. qnap refuses to enable SED on it even though it recognizes it as an SED. Turns out, they tested their new feature with exactly one drive brand. Did they intentionally cripple their software? Did they decide not to try drives by Seagate or Toshiba? Who knows.
Another example is Qtiering. It's a wonderful concept, dynamically storing files or blocks on faster or slower hardware depending on usage. The problem begins with requiring all such drives being in the same chassis. Have an expansion bay? No tiering across it! what good is it when USB outperforms SATA but they block expansions from using tiering.
I have a few more examples.
Maybe it's a stupid question but what volume configuration do you recommend for a 2 bay QNAP NAS (RAID1) : I just want mutliple file versions to restore previous file versions if needed. (Static, thick, light, snapshots...).
Second stupid question : is it possible configure a QNAP NAS to perform an automatic "scandisk" in case of power failure ?
What's the point of asking for a human action to start a disk check ?
Don`t expect a reply from that guy.
He never reply to any messages . He`s an idiot.
For power loss, its best to have an UPS for the nas. They have Software to talk with it to do safe shutdown if the battery is about to die. I have mine go into a standby mode where it finishes any writes but then block any changes or open files after 3 minute on battery. That way it can then shut down if needed. If power comes back then access is allowed again. It can be set differently depending on how long the UPS can keep running on battery.
Also on Qnap the drives get tested weekly or what ever you scheduled, to let you know if there are problems before a failure.
@@Tigerskunk Thanks for the attempt to answer my silly question. I know it would be better in a perfect world to plug each NAS to a UPS but my company decided not to do so and unfortunately we don't have enough room for a UPS in each cabinet.
Anyway, secondly, my need is not to perform a hard drive diagnostic, I want a "file system check" after each "unclean shutdown" or even at each startup but I can't see the option in the QTS interface.
We have so many NASes at work with so many careless users that it has become really annoying to solve incident by just logging in and starting file system check manually. In a perfect world a file system check would start automatixally the same way Windows XP did for example.
@@QNAPUK Thank you for your help but I'm not sure. Is it the option named "weekly disk performance test" under "RAID resync priority" which performs a file system check ?
@@QNAPUK Thank you so much for your detailed answer. Now I understand why I can't see the option. It applies to firmware 4.4.1 and above but we're still with 4.3.6 here.
I'll consider updating our systems in order to enable this automated system filecheck.
I've been watching your videos for a good while now, and I must say I've learned a lot. However, I'm still confused as to which NAS to get. I really just want a drive that I can access and edit my files and photos (using windows explorer, and photoshop etc.) from each of our pc's and mobile devices as required. I don't want the NAS determining how I store files & folders, or the software I use.
Both brands offer flexibility on how you store your photos.
I've had a TS-453A for 3 years and will likely soon replace it with a TS-453D. You sound like you would use your NAS the way I use mine. You will do just fine with a QNAP in terms of controlling things the way you want to.
Imho, If its just for local sharing or archiving, not both, basic stuff like as1002t or ds220j is enough.
But if you need fault tolerance and plan to have multiple users hitting it ala office invironment, try an as5304t, ds920, ts453.
Plan to mix hdds capacities? Ds920.
Need hdmi? Ts453d or as5304t
Need 10g? Ts453d
Thanks.
Very interesting along with your Synology video. Want 2 of them, one at home and one in spare time house.
Next year, sometime.
I'm IT pro.
@@MevRB19 Hi JpHDev, don't remember I know you or the opposite. Just curious what you base your rude comment on??? Just bored?
Best Regards
Rudolf Abelin
Senior System Manager
Computer Management Group
Faculty of Engineering
Lund Institute of Technology
Lund University
Sweden
@@rudolfabelin383 I think he based it on your English grammar. It should be "I'm an IT pro". But just because your English isn't great doesn't that you, therefore, must not be a pro at something else. He is suffering from a psychological cognitive heuristic called the Horn Effect.
@@deussivenatura5805 You are absolutely correct about the grammar. My English is decent for being born in a non English speaking country.
Cheers from Sweden!
QNAP software is really good.
Cheers for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I love QNAP. My only complaint is lack of Support. Emailed support truly sucks.
@@QNAPUK faster than fast :)
@jake3174
Qnap has fast client support
If I do raid 5 with 3 HDD, can I add the 4th drive later?
You can, but I think all of the data would be wiped in the process of rebuilding the RAID.
Depends on if its qts hero. Its zfs pools with raidz has the limitations unable to expaid pools.
If you want to expand storage you normally create mirror vdevs and present as a single volume
@@hiddeninthewires2308
i am not sure how? but i was able to expand with additional hdd without data loss. the process took a day long for me to add the 4th 4GB hdd.
I think once we setup storage pool as raid 5 that should be good for additional drives.
@@hiddeninthewires2308 And here's me looking at different NAS to purchase and I have no idea what you just said.
@@asdf51501 it has to do with ZFS nothing to do with specific NAS. QNAP HERO NAS uses ZFS, which is lauded for its resiliency. but you need to walk into it understanding its limitiations. when you configure the RAID levels inside the QNAP OS you are actually setting the ZFS RAIDZ levels.
RAIDZ doesnt support expanding the volumes by adding more drives after the volume is created. you would have to move the data and rebuild the data.
consider for example. you have a 6 bay nas.
lets say you populate 4 disks and use RAIDZ2 (RAID6). you can not expand the RAIDZ2 volume by adding more disks you would have to create a different volume.
note RAIDZ2 tolerates two disk failures.
however if you for example instead do two, 2 way mirror vdev ( 2+2 disks, instead of raid). this is presented as a mirror pool. when you add two drives you can create another 2 way mirror in the mirror pool to expand the storage.
this solution tolerates one disk failure in each mirror.
meaning failures can be more complicated it can tolerate minimum one disk failure in the mirror pool but possibly upto three depending on what disk fails. this would be similar to RAID10 conceptually. two disks fail in the same mirror will equal data loss and require you to restore from backups
you could do two, 3 way mirror to get the more resiliency (3+3) in a 6 bay. in a three way mirror you can tolerate 2 drive failures in each mirror. thats a minimum 2 disks in the storage pool and a whooping 4 disks potentially. this would be similar to RAID60 conceptually
I bought a QNAP TS-453D a few months ago and I absolutely hate it. I think it's funny that you say that Synology hides things when I had to search like crazy just to figure out how to access the QTS filesystem so I could migrate my plex data to the thing. The memory management is terrible! I mean, it's using an implementation of Linux and it tells me that after 5 days of up time that it's been running so long I need to reboot before it can update the firmware, REALLY! I constantly lose my connection to the NAS causing issues with access to my network drives and talk about lack of support, I'm still trying to figure out how to disconnect my internet connection if my VPN fails. The most irritating is that I've just rebooted, updated firmware, rebooted again, i'm running 1 application and I keep getting a message saying the server is busy and that my browser connection needs to be reloaded. I want to throw this thing out the window. I wouldn't call myself a power user, but I'm no dummy and I do have a degree in computer science, but even with much less knowledge I shouldn't have the issues with performance that I'm having. I'm not trying to geek out on this thing, I just want my plex server to work, and it's not getting the job done. If you're looking for a NAS for Plex, DO NOT BUY QNAP!!!
Agree 100% Curtis. Hands down the worst piece of kit I've ever owned. It's interesting to see the cute reply from QNAP UK. In my experience their support is just as bad as their kit.
@@QNAPUK Doubtful. Every experience I've had with QNAP staff is a bad one. Totally unhelpful to a point that there's little use in having and support in place at all
@@QNAPUK I get the impression I'm probably older than you and probably saw a day where a person could speak to somebody on the phone and actually get the help they need. It's all very well to keep maintaining all the great things that you and your colleagues do for customers but if it was as good as you say and think it is then there wouldn't be so many people complaining about the lack of support would there? Before you come back and say that there is bad and good in every service, the fact is that there are some great companies out there who get amazing feedback and reviews from customers. This cannot be said for QNAP support. I shouldn't feel bad for pointing that out to you and perhaps you should bare this in mind when trumping up the company you work for. The guy posting these videos is either affiliated with QNAP or has something to gain from his posts, no doubt receiving something in return. I've given up even using any of the software that comes with my QNAP Server. Unrecognized file, unrecognized format, freezes, glitches, screen tear, audio won't play and it can take multiple hours (when I was stupid enough to try and fix the issues) to get a file working. However, through it across to my Windows PC and the file plays perfectly. My kit has now been reduced to a music streamer and sometimes it can't even do that properly either. Now are you going to tell me about how good QNAP is?
@@QNAPUK Fair enough. Despite my opinion of your company, I do appreciate your response. I've had several issues over the course of my ownership of the QNAP NAS, none of which were addressed professionally. As a matter of fact, each time that I have had an issue, I've ended up (eventually) fixing the fault on my own, and I have zero qualifications in anything IT related. Take for example the screen tear issue I had, which 2 of your colleagues were unable to resolve. Everything was blamed from my Projector, to 3rd party software, AV unit issues and the latest HDMI compliances. Turns out that it was a setting within the Media Station (which I found myself)! I've presently got another ticket open and the same thing is happening all over again. The person dealing with the issue, despite clear instructions as to what the problem is, has me going through processes totally unrelated to the problem. Only this morning I've managed to have some luck in partially solving the issue on my own, no thanks to the person who's employed to help your customers. As you are sitting at Director level within the company, I'd be quite happy to have a discussion with you in person as opposed to an open forum. At least this way I might actually have the issue fixed this time.
While I liie the QNAP NAS and it has been dead reliable, I also like the BROBO from two aspects
1, the ability to plug in a drive without the need of a cassette, 2. the use os mSATA as a memory buffer. I feel QNAP could easily add these features and if done correctly could actually save in their cost to produce. The addition of the fifth drive adds to the drive pool, and the mSATA with is easily accessible adds to the ability to add additional memory where it can be utilized in buffering. The Down Side to me of the DROBO is the lack of updates to keep the NAS up to date.
This has been a hallmark of the QNAP as it is kept up to date. How ever I am disappointed in that QNAP has removed the USENET features and applications from their applications..
Construction wise the QNAP is a much cheaper system, as it appears to use an off the shelf board and adapted the board to use as a NAS rather than a purpose built board (TS451+) access to the second Memory board is a total disassemble, however once you have access running 16GB of RAM is a no brainer. QNAP seems to be more approachable but no more responsive than other NAS producers like DROBO and SYNEROLOGY As the local resident IDIOT I appreciate your Guides and wish I had found your articles prior to my purchase.
I still have some difficulty setting up the email notification as it drops the SMTP server.
However we have managed to share our PLEX library with one friend which is good as he has the identical QNAP NAS
What is your experience mixing QNAP and Synology devices in a single home setup?
I have an Synology Ds412 plus and a Qnap Ts-431x2 at home and have not seen any problems with them. Currently I have a remote Synology Ds419slim VPN to the Qnap using OpenVPN and then connects thru the network to the Ds412 to run drive sync to synchronize the the Synology systems. For drive mapping its the same in windows to map a letter to either machine. For synchronize between the brands would require using Rsync to do that. Which they both have.
My opinion is based on my couple of years experience on QNAP. Don't buy it. Buy something more stable. QNAP software is crap and will give you outages and outages over and over again. For example recent firmware update done by system and after firmware update, can't login. Means can't access anything because of encrypted storage. QNAP responded after 2 days and their instructions didn't fix the issue still. No response for last 24 hours and I'm still waiting after 4 days of complete outage. Hoping that eventually at least it gets fixed without any data loss. It has been a disaster situation so far. Time I have spent on QNAP issues working with them again and again every now and then is really just too much too handle when I have already too much work going on.
(already responded to your other enq, but repeating here for others) Thank you for sharing your feedback and experience with QNAP on this. It's import for users to see how brands interact with customers and more over to see how issues are dealt with. Keep us updated on this as much as you can. Cheers dude.
@@nascompares One week of total NAS downtime and still counting. No luck yet. They asked to replace RAM to original ADATA which I told them will never cause issue of such symptoms, I still replaced for their peace of mind and progress on case, but that didn't make any diffierence with ADATA RAM. Nothing changed. Issue persisted. Crap software and support both. Qcrap is right name.
QNAP = OS security flaws, Google qsnatch
I think that is behind them now as long as your QNAP software is up to date. The interwebs conspiracy "experts" are just full of Qsnatch theories though.
How is it that you can make a video speaking thousands of words and yet not a damn thing memorable? Lol
1. It's TOO helpful.
2. It's TOO innovative.
3. It's got TOO MUCH SUPPORT for 3rd party hardware.
4. It's got TOO MANY MODELS for your exact needs.
5. Did you know you can upgrade the warranty? Let me tell you about it.
This is like when a prospective employer asks what your faults are and you're like well I'm TOO helpful and people say I work TOO hard.
Bruh if you're not getting paid then I don't know what is going on here.
This is the stupidest possible take from this video. Well done!
@@Teslacoil33 I know a shill when I see one and QNAP is absolute fucking terrible I regret buying it 100%.
Shitty company that makes shitty software and this guy is praising them?
Get deadbolted.
This guy`s not even replying to the questions on the comments, so kinda USELESS
He never does.
Weird. I've posted a few times in several of this guy's (NASCompares) videos (I'm in the process of researching a NAS purchase), and he's provided helpful answers to my comments in several cases. So I have a pretty favorable opinion of NASCompares at the moment. Sure, he throws a lot of random info at you and some of it is just looking at a particular one and pointing out its features. However, I do like the videos where he goes in, sets up user permissions, creates a storage pool and then volumes within the pool, and so forth. He also has some discussion of what's better for Plex and some other features, and reviews largely both QNap and Synology NASes. I do try to stay focused on the videos he puts out that are in my target range for what I'm looking for, though.
I'll give you all a good bit of advice before you buy QNAP. DON'T!!!! The kit is absolute garbage. I've had it for 3 years now. Usless glitchy crappy unreliable software that constantly refuses to play any popular files. Endless updates, horribly slow, terrible dashboard that is totally not user friendly, terrible customer support (always reply by expecting you to jump through hoops and expecting customers to have good IT knowledge). Now it won't even play my music in album order and prefers to play songs alphabetically with no obvious options to change the order like you can do on Windows in 5 seconds flat. Total garbage 0/10.