I left Canon for Sony 8 years ago. Had the 70D, flipped and got an a7III, but now I run with an FX6 and two A7SIII cams because I saw the trend of Sony building out a more vestal and scalable ecosystem with better compatibility across their lineup and third parties. Canon knows they need to compete, but they're 4 years behind in everything, so it doesn't make any sense to switch BACK to a company that's still playing catch-up. For a new filmmaker building their kit from scratch, Canon is worth considering, but I think Canon products now are mostly for those that stayed with Canon through the EF to RF switch, not for people that now have Sony.
@@davidmorefield Quite the compliment, happy to contribute! Thanks for making the video! I appreciate your opinions coming with a background of "on the job" work experience. That's valuable
@@Benjbratton 100% right. Plus, at the end of the day, we need to be business owners who last over time and who know how to manage a business, finances and investments over the long term. Not constantly going for something new and changing products. Now that I've said that, I'm switching from Sony to Canon. #kidding
I still root for the Nanuk The Nanuk 975s. I think I left a comment about it in your last video. It fits a full-size 100mm Cartoni sticks. That entire case, as long as it's under 99 pounds, will cost you $40 with media pricing on Jetblue. It comes with wheels too. It's the largest case you can take that doesn't surpass the oversize limit.
@@12yfilms I think I’ve used it before. It’s a tank. In a good way. I wish these larger cases had 360° roller wheels instead of having to be tipped over. Makes it really tough when it’s loaded up with weight.
As a Canon user, I'm glad to see Canon coming back with great products. I really like my RF glass and now I finally have two new full frame cameras to choose from. I'm really wanting to eventually get the 24-105mm 2.8 and I believe I will have my preferred setup for run and gun. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts David.
i've been waiting to buy an improved c70 for a while, i've owned sony before and I have worked with many of those sony fx cameras. they are great at giving you a neutral lookl with a sensor that was no brainer for night. Still, I am thinking about the future and this C80 is really built to last. The form factor is great and has all the connections you might want with full frame sensor that even does to super 16. Something about sony G glass just looks very clinical in comparison to the RF lenses from canon so i never really purchased a sony camera. i'm a happy patient new buyer
As a hybrid shooter, I wasn't considering leaving Canon, but I was considering investing in Sony for Video (love the RF stills cameras and lenses). No longer, the c80/c70 combo for me will be perfect as A/B cams. I have a full suite of RF L glass I love, so it will come out cheaper too.
C400 + R1 with the RF 15-35 f2,8 + 24-105 f2.8 lenses.. set and done... 24 MP to 26 MP.. C-log 2 to c-log 2... xf-avc to xf-avc, BSI sensor to BSI sensor.. they should match great.. and then you have A + B cam for interviews, but still have a photo camera for almost anything from sport to product and portrait shoots with flash and stropes..
@@davidmorefield but expensive :) its hard to justify for me right now... have a lot of EF lenses and two C70 with speedboosters.. an R3 and the R5C.. and that setup kind of works, but its a lot of gear to log around all the time. And now its getting harder to get any money for the C70s :D and the same with the R3
Spot on. I bought another C70 to work together to get thru. I'm all in on RF lenses. I ordered the C400. I am pumped. Gonna sell both C70's and grab a C80. Your thoughts about Canon dragging their feet are accurate. I've had an FX6 in my cart more than once. I just couldn't.
Appreciate your perspective, David, and I definitely agree with your coherent product line philosophy. I’m the one that made the comment about aftermarket C70s, and to add a bit more context, the motivation to get those is not just price (hallelujah), but also that DGO sensor, which doesn’t look like it’ll jump to full-frame anytime soon. The extra dynamic range on the C400/80 sensor + triple base ISO probably equalizes things somewhat, but if you don’t care about full-frame, why not take the discount? I’m a soon-to-be streamer with an R5C stuck on a tripod which cannot be controlled remotely without a 1k extra accessory 🤦🏾♂️, so I’m really interested in the C70 for access to Canon’s XC protocol, and I don’t feel like I need to jump all the way to a C80 just for a studio camera if I can get the previous gen body for half price aftermarket. My R5C can then finally be free and go out into the world and take 45mp photos, or just be a B cam 🎉
I left Canon after they introduced that train wreck which was the 5D mark IV. Motion JPEG and something like 2.5 crop in 4K? WTF?! I had been waiting to upgrade to a 4K camera and Sony was there with the FS7, FS5 and a6300 cameras. It was a no-brainer. I sold all of my Canon camera bodies and lenses and never looked back.
To be fair those older canon sensors were very, very slow to readout and it took them years to solve that problem. But the motion jpeg is plain old stupidity
Now sony is just recycling and bricking all their cameras with firmware updates. They really are in last place rn as all the players start to move. Canon, DJI , Red, Nikon, Black Magic. The aging Fx6 cant withstand that for much longer
@@UrbanAnimeLounge I disagree entirely. Almost the entire mid level video industry operates on Sony. I never received any inquiries for projects to be shot on anything besides Sony. Definitely not Nikon. Rarely even Red. The fx series is the standard for the level of the video market that I reside. I would say they are leading. These canon cameras haven’t even been shipped yet.
I'm still in the Canon eosystem and have been heavily considering switching to Sony. For reference, I own 2 R3's and a plethora of RF lenses. The C400 and C80 are definitely intriguing but I'm not sure it's enough to sway my decision, for a couple of reasons. The first being that there's no chance Canon will introduce Clog 2 in the R3 now that they introduced the R5II and R1. I'm 70% stills and 30% video, and that's slowly creeping to be 50/50 in terms of revenue and am now in the market for a cinema camera. I feel the FX6II and FX3II are on the horizon and will completely shut down what Canon brought to market, which has been the case with all of their releases. I also feel that the cinema line is still better when it comes to their offerings, especially when they make all of their cinema lines work seamlessly together when it comes to matching cameras. The electronic ND system is also something that I find really beneficial and it an extra edge. For my needs as a stills photographer, Sony's lenses are just better and it's hard to debate that unless you're the type of person who is fine with imperfections in their lenses. A lot of RF glass (namely the 50 1.2, 35 1.4) exhibit a lot of lens flare, ghosting, vignetting and distortion, whereas the Sony's GM alternatives control that significantly better. For my type of shooting, this adds a lot of headache and post correction, to the point where some of it can not be corrected. I also love the Sony's new tilt screens (even though their screen quality is dog shit in comparison to Canon's), and as someone who shoots from above frequently, being able to quickly tilt the screen down is beneficial. Based on the recent releases, this mechanism won't be available for at least another 3-4 years unless they plan to implement it in the R6III. I'm the a lot of these are non-issues for users, but I guess that's the point of understanding exactly what your needs are.
If canon gave the R3 Clog 2, I would buy it in an instant. I can’t justify paying $4k+ for an R5ii that still overheats or $6,500 for an R1 just to get Clog 2. I currently have the C70 and R5C and it kills me that the R5C doesn’t have clog 2. The R3 getting Clog 2 would solve a lot of my problems. I’m sure the sensor is capable of handling clog 2 but unfortunately there’s no way canon is going to do that.
@@justinhofstadler6398 Oh wow, the R5C doesn't have Clog2?! This is my gripe with Canon. How can you can this be considered a cinema camera when you don't offer Clog2. This is why Sony is so much more attractive.
@@kelb89 You are hitting the nail on the head. Your concerns are valid. This was the exact same perspective that drove me into choosing which business so I want to invest in, not which camera. Sony seems to make much more logical business decisions for their consumers and that’s what ultimately made me switch.
As a Red user I’ve built up a decent collection of RF glass the last few years. Always felt Canon matches up well with Red. I’ve been holding out for Canon to drop a successor to the C70 and it’s finally here. I imagine at some point Nikon will compete with similar Z Mount cameras leveraging Red under the hood. Good times to be alive in cinematography ❤
Fun hearing your thoughts on this! I like what Canon’s doing with these new triple base ISOs - that middle ISO seems handy for shooting indoors when it’s a little dark but not too dark!
When I tested the C400, I can confirm the triple base iso was amazing. I think in all honesty I will go for the C400 over the C80, as an A cam to use with my C70.. Great video as always!
@@davidmorefield Managed to get to a hands on event at a local camera shop. I tested it out with native RF and a DZO PL zoom. The triple base ISO was great when testing out!
@@LukeSchaeferFilms It suits my work flow and has more of the features I’m looking for. Also, when I tested the C400 it’s a lot easier to use than I thought and the image is great from it ☺️
Hello, like the XLR-K3M module for sony, canon has an extension câble for any multi interface accessories, the separate handle and interface shoe is better than you think because it is better for cage rigging the camera, and the module can as well be put on the handle because of the extension câble. For exemple the mid 49 cage or woodenb camera cage are perfect for that
@@davidmorefield Well for the c80 instead of a shoe accessory it Can run a mid49 ab-4 which IS a double mini xlr to two xlr on a 1/4 screw that also work on the c70 si the c80 have a lot of good rigging solution plus the fact that it is more stealthly than anything else that's why I will take it over a c400 which is also problematic with more powerfull codec options but two différent slots. Just sad that the c80 IS sd reliant, which has a bigger Price to memory/speed than cf-express b. Got 5 of them v90 and my only cf-b 512 cost the same as one but IS equal as 4 or them jst in memory space
Amazing offering by Canon. However, the RF mount is still locked to Canon for AF support. Since the C80 is full frame, that speedbooster doesn't work. So you're looking at spending $4K+ on lenses if you switch.
Not at all. Just use the regular Canon EF to RF and you have thousands of lenses available and without any limitation (like sony). I use sigma and tamron constantly with my c70 and R5 and R6MKII. Native lenses is another story, just RF-S for now with sigma. But honestly adapted EF to RF is basically native, better performance than the old EF mount anyway.
@@dsdddsd4543we yes the rf mount is in a weird position at the moment. Not as unified as emount. But as the other commenter said below, ef is still available. Just feels weird to have to resort to a discontinued lens lineup.
This is a great move from Canon and should nudge Sony to update its product line. But you gotta give it to Sony, their cameras still hold up beautifully after 4 years of being released. If Sony gives us 6k/open gate/raw/more exposure tools like waveform, they'll be in a really good place because their lens & camera ecosystem is already top tier.
@@Dano-Media Sony is in a fantastic spot. I think with those incremental feature additions, that you mentioned, they should retain the majority of the user market.
I still don't see the need to keep switching every year. I've had my C500 II and C70 for 4 and 3yrs now and wanting to upgrade was only because I love new toys, it was never a business need. Sure it would be nice to have both RF mount but never needed to. I already have the lenses that I need for both so it was never an issue. Honestly I could probably go another 4yrs with these 2 cameras...I have the Sony FS7 II and that's like 9 years old and I could easily switch with my Canon C500 II on most of my gigs and it wouldn't be a problem. The shortcomings with these cameras have already been solved. I think this is all GAS guys, this is just the camera companies marketing & promotion working...Having said all that, I want a C400 and C80 😁😁
Im excited, i cant afford a c400 But the R5II and C80 are in my wheelhouse. The R5II Lets me down for my style because its so gimped when you look at the battery and overheating prevention add-ons. A flagship camera overheating in 4K30 is crazy 🤣 Im going to wait to see what the R6III does b4 i Plot on my next move
BUT canon still don't have a decent IBIS cam that matches perfectly. The R5mk2 and the R1 are a step int he right direction (they all finally have clog2). But the R5mk2's 60p is gimped.
Biggest thing for me is fitting into those bigger sets. Rarely see a canon being used. Feels like canon will never fully break into the space because the others are so cemented in.
@@Chandler_Goodrich two reasons. It’s because Sony has been providing the right tools for years and these production companies have firmly rooted themselves in that workflow. From slog to emount. And the 2nd reason is they have this product ladder that I mentioned. They are able to bring in a beginner on their alpha cams and as their career builds, they can move up the ladder to the fx series and now burano and Venice. They have a product for every level of the industry. Canon does not.
my issue is that I never left Canon, but I've been staying in EF lens mount land this whole time, while adapting the C70 with the speedbooster. So while my C70 will still be great to use, my C300 being EF would not be the outlier. That being said they are still amazing cameras and still have higher dynamic range than the C400 and C80 so one of those could slot in nicely now for sure.
@@davidmorefield I think in the end canon just moved to a mirrorless mount so much later than Sony(since Sony was starting more from scratch back in the day). So Canon took more time but also meant their EF lenses were in play much longer. Switching to RF is not that different from switch entire camera systems.
@@avdcam And switching camera systems is extremely expensive. So it feels unfair to have to pay that price yet not get any of the benefits of a different manufacturer.
Canon opened RF lenses but only for the APSC. Honestly I love Canon and their specs, but lens prices are just absurd. I thought many times of getting an R5, R6m2, Even R5C which all seem like such a gooood cameras, but then I see that any decent lens from them is 2000-2500$, and there are no other options but that. With Sony u can get so many Sigma or Tamrons glasses up to 1500$ price which are of incredible quality. Canon is amazing if youre already invested in that system, but its really an expensive one. Even something like lumix S5IIx combined with 2 excellent Sigmas will get you really far for not much of a cost.
Man, I’m always looking at what’s the better offering. Canon is usually the better option when using EF glass and now even with RF. It’s so nice to be able to switch camera brands, and you can’t do that with Sony glass.
Moved to Sony FX6 from Canon C100 even though I have lots of EF lens. Sick and tired of Canon rubbish launches and protectionism. Never regret. Will not move back to Canon unless Sony screw up.
@@ETRayBeam Nah I used it like I use all my gear. A little rough but not abusive. As with any camera that has an lcd sticking out… gotta be careful. Other than that, no issues. Very durable.
Canon now needs a fx30 video first competitor! There on a roll though with clog 2 and xhevc video files etc etc The r5ii is a hit but the battery issue is a negative The c400 is a hit but may be a little too late with the fx6ii on the rise The c80 is a hit but the top handle is useless
I just shot for a Fortune 500 company on a 10 year old FS7 and I’m still not upgrading. King of the ROI. That said, maybe it’s time to upgrade to a used C70 for sub 3k. 🤓 I’m sure someone thinks they need to upgrade to the C80. 🤣
The r5ii, c80, c400 ladder is pretty solid now! I would love to switch back but I'm afraid the trend has gone away from Canon. Sony is so popular in the video world that you need to create your own content to use Canon. I could probably get away with shooting Canon, but way too nervous to actually take the leap back. If we start hearing more companies ask for Canon I would gladly look that way, but need to let the market steer my system for now, and that is still Sony. In a vacuum, I prefer Canon's color but it also seems like the trend is going to the darker more muted feel of Sony's. You can color grade and add tons of nodes to make anything look like anything but I prefer to have a very simple color process. Sony is fine but if these sell like hotcakes I would gladly go back. If we saw the cranckycameraman switch systems that would be the sign.
@@asa_martinez in av vacuum is a perfect way to describe it. As for a working professional, the requests I get are only for Sony. Makes sense to move that direction.
Nope. This camera is for those switching from mirrorless. If you have a C70, it is not necessary to make the jump. 6k, SDI, ethernet, RF-not worth the jump. I am a Canon user, and his philosophy is, uhh, not a general user case. I use two C70s A/B, R5c as C. For many Canon users I know, you get two of the same camera not what he is talking about.
@@fsb5370 Everyone’s needs are different but I’m glad to hear 2 c70’s fulfill yours. As for me, I needed a few bells and whistles like sdi, longer camera shape for shoulder mounting and as a freelancer I was consistently getting asked if I had Sony, not canon. And I do agree for having matching cameras as being the best route. But having a matching b cam in a smaller package would come in more useful for myself.
I dont like sony. C80 looks great. If i would buy into this system i would get a c80 and a c400. To me those cameras are a level above sonys in this price range
im sorry but the c80 IMO is a very ugly "cinema cam" and looks more like a DSLR CAM for taking photos! ... and I don't care about it being 6K when the design of this seem like it would take a lot to rig out to make it heavy enough to use handheld and not having full size XLR ports is crazy for $5500 and a joke lol. plus a flip out screen on a cinema cam! can you take that flip screen and mount it different places on the body? and the average person consuming the content we make for them would not be able to tell the difference between 6k, 4k and 1080 because there watching the content on there phones the majority of the time and don't have 6k tv's! the only plus about this cam is that it can do 4k 120 @ S35. I see this cam mainly being used for podcasts. This is not remotely enough for someone thinking about switching if they already have a real cinema cam setup !
@@michaeldstories8714 it definitely since in the middle of a lot of situations. However, that could be where the beginner market who grew up on mirrorless is transitioning to. Maybe, maybe not. We’ll see!
@@truthseeker6804 Sonce the c70 and c80 are so similar, I am using my hands on experience with the c70 to build up my perspective of the c80. Rather than making it up out of thin air.
@@davidmorefield if you did that would've been better, but this video is; why you switched to sony. we're not here for that, talk about both cameras or the c80.
@@truthseeker6804 You are correct. The limitations of the c70 are why I moved to Sony. Those two story lines are not mutually exclusive. And there are others in the same boat. It seems like you are not, that’s ok. This content is made for a wide audience but its form a personal perspective. The c80 resolves those shortcomings with the new features that I discuss. I think it’s a great camera. Hence the title.
@@manilamartin1001 I think this strong push from canon was long overdue but they really nailed it. Honestly, I don’t see what Sony is lacking on their side. What would you like to see?
@davidmorefield I'm happy with my sony set up but would would love a little bigger better screen on my fx3 and a74. I'm ok with 4k for what I do but would be curious for 6k version of fx3. I still probably wouldn't upgrade. I do mostly video these days and it doesn't even need to be 4k when I deliver it to clients.
I left Canon for Sony 8 years ago. Had the 70D, flipped and got an a7III, but now I run with an FX6 and two A7SIII cams because I saw the trend of Sony building out a more vestal and scalable ecosystem with better compatibility across their lineup and third parties. Canon knows they need to compete, but they're 4 years behind in everything, so it doesn't make any sense to switch BACK to a company that's still playing catch-up. For a new filmmaker building their kit from scratch, Canon is worth considering, but I think Canon products now are mostly for those that stayed with Canon through the EF to RF switch, not for people that now have Sony.
@@Benjbratton wow you eloquently summed up this video in one paragraph. That’s exactly what I was trying to communicate!
@@davidmorefield Quite the compliment, happy to contribute! Thanks for making the video! I appreciate your opinions coming with a background of "on the job" work experience. That's valuable
@@Benjbratton 100% right. Plus, at the end of the day, we need to be business owners who last over time and who know how to manage a business, finances and investments over the long term. Not constantly going for something new and changing products. Now that I've said that, I'm switching from Sony to Canon. #kidding
@@Benjbratton yep that’s my style!
You are spot on! Not having an A/B camera pair in Canon line up was always a major issue.
@@hvxcolors396 glad to see Canon has made major changes.
I still root for the Nanuk The Nanuk 975s. I think I left a comment about it in your last video. It fits a full-size 100mm Cartoni sticks. That entire case, as long as it's under 99 pounds, will cost you $40 with media pricing on Jetblue. It comes with wheels too. It's the largest case you can take that doesn't surpass the oversize limit.
@@12yfilms I think I’ve used it before. It’s a tank. In a good way. I wish these larger cases had 360° roller wheels instead of having to be tipped over. Makes it really tough when it’s loaded up with weight.
As a Canon user, I'm glad to see Canon coming back with great products. I really like my RF glass and now I finally have two new full frame cameras to choose from. I'm really wanting to eventually get the 24-105mm 2.8 and I believe I will have my preferred setup for run and gun. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts David.
@@danielbranam8503 yes this seems to be a major improvement to their product line! Thanks for checking out the video.
i've been waiting to buy an improved c70 for a while, i've owned sony before and I have worked with many of those sony fx cameras. they are great at giving you a neutral lookl with a sensor that was no brainer for night. Still, I am thinking about the future and this C80 is really built to last. The form factor is great and has all the connections you might want with full frame sensor that even does to super 16. Something about sony G glass just looks very clinical in comparison to the RF lenses from canon so i never really purchased a sony camera. i'm a happy patient new buyer
@@nopepper305 glad you found the right tool!!
As a hybrid shooter, I wasn't considering leaving Canon, but I was considering investing in Sony for Video (love the RF stills cameras and lenses). No longer, the c80/c70 combo for me will be perfect as A/B cams. I have a full suite of RF L glass I love, so it will come out cheaper too.
@@darkroomzen I’m saying! This is perfect for canon users.
C400 + R1 with the RF 15-35 f2,8 + 24-105 f2.8 lenses.. set and done...
24 MP to 26 MP.. C-log 2 to c-log 2... xf-avc to xf-avc, BSI sensor to BSI sensor.. they should match great.. and then you have A + B cam for interviews, but still have a photo camera for almost anything from sport to product and portrait shoots with flash and stropes..
@@baekmedier that sounds solid. I didn’t think of that combo.
@@davidmorefield but expensive :) its hard to justify for me right now... have a lot of EF lenses and two C70 with speedboosters.. an R3 and the R5C.. and that setup kind of works, but its a lot of gear to log around all the time.
And now its getting harder to get any money for the C70s :D and the same with the R3
@@baekmedier I always prefer less gear too.
Spot on. I bought another C70 to work together to get thru. I'm all in on RF lenses. I ordered the C400. I am pumped. Gonna sell both C70's and grab a C80. Your thoughts about Canon dragging their feet are accurate. I've had an FX6 in my cart more than once. I just couldn't.
@@scottievee330 glad to hear you didn’t have to spend a bunch of money to change systems.
Appreciate your perspective, David, and I definitely agree with your coherent product line philosophy.
I’m the one that made the comment about aftermarket C70s, and to add a bit more context, the motivation to get those is not just price (hallelujah), but also that DGO sensor, which doesn’t look like it’ll jump to full-frame anytime soon. The extra dynamic range on the C400/80 sensor + triple base ISO probably equalizes things somewhat, but if you don’t care about full-frame, why not take the discount?
I’m a soon-to-be streamer with an R5C stuck on a tripod which cannot be controlled remotely without a 1k extra accessory 🤦🏾♂️, so I’m really interested in the C70 for access to Canon’s XC protocol, and I don’t feel like I need to jump all the way to a C80 just for a studio camera if I can get the previous gen body for half price aftermarket. My R5C can then finally be free and go out into the world and take 45mp photos, or just be a B cam 🎉
@@mrbankole half priced c70’s sound like an amazing value.
I left Canon after they introduced that train wreck which was the 5D mark IV. Motion JPEG and something like 2.5 crop in 4K? WTF?! I had been waiting to upgrade to a 4K camera and Sony was there with the FS7, FS5 and a6300 cameras. It was a no-brainer. I sold all of my Canon camera bodies and lenses and never looked back.
To be fair those older canon sensors were very, very slow to readout and it took them years to solve that problem. But the motion jpeg is plain old stupidity
@@mediakobo yeah that was a pivotal moment for many.
5Dmv is still one of the best photography cameras ever made.
Now sony is just recycling and bricking all their cameras with firmware updates.
They really are in last place rn as all the players start to move. Canon, DJI , Red, Nikon, Black Magic. The aging Fx6 cant withstand that for much longer
@@UrbanAnimeLounge I disagree entirely. Almost the entire mid level video industry operates on Sony. I never received any inquiries for projects to be shot on anything besides Sony. Definitely not Nikon.
Rarely even Red.
The fx series is the standard for the level of the video market that I reside. I would say they are leading.
These canon cameras haven’t even been shipped yet.
I'm still in the Canon eosystem and have been heavily considering switching to Sony. For reference, I own 2 R3's and a plethora of RF lenses.
The C400 and C80 are definitely intriguing but I'm not sure it's enough to sway my decision, for a couple of reasons. The first being that there's no chance Canon will introduce Clog 2 in the R3 now that they introduced the R5II and R1. I'm 70% stills and 30% video, and that's slowly creeping to be 50/50 in terms of revenue and am now in the market for a cinema camera.
I feel the FX6II and FX3II are on the horizon and will completely shut down what Canon brought to market, which has been the case with all of their releases. I also feel that the cinema line is still better when it comes to their offerings, especially when they make all of their cinema lines work seamlessly together when it comes to matching cameras. The electronic ND system is also something that I find really beneficial and it an extra edge.
For my needs as a stills photographer, Sony's lenses are just better and it's hard to debate that unless you're the type of person who is fine with imperfections in their lenses. A lot of RF glass (namely the 50 1.2, 35 1.4) exhibit a lot of lens flare, ghosting, vignetting and distortion, whereas the Sony's GM alternatives control that significantly better. For my type of shooting, this adds a lot of headache and post correction, to the point where some of it can not be corrected. I also love the Sony's new tilt screens (even though their screen quality is dog shit in comparison to Canon's), and as someone who shoots from above frequently, being able to quickly tilt the screen down is beneficial. Based on the recent releases, this mechanism won't be available for at least another 3-4 years unless they plan to implement it in the R6III.
I'm the a lot of these are non-issues for users, but I guess that's the point of understanding exactly what your needs are.
If canon gave the R3 Clog 2, I would buy it in an instant. I can’t justify paying $4k+ for an R5ii that still overheats or $6,500 for an R1 just to get Clog 2. I currently have the C70 and R5C and it kills me that the R5C doesn’t have clog 2. The R3 getting Clog 2 would solve a lot of my problems. I’m sure the sensor is capable of handling clog 2 but unfortunately there’s no way canon is going to do that.
@@justinhofstadler6398 Oh wow, the R5C doesn't have Clog2?! This is my gripe with Canon. How can you can this be considered a cinema camera when you don't offer Clog2. This is why Sony is so much more attractive.
@@kelb89 You are hitting the nail on the head. Your concerns are valid. This was the exact same perspective that drove me into choosing which business so I want to invest in, not which camera. Sony seems to make much more logical business decisions for their consumers and that’s what ultimately made me switch.
@@justinhofstadler6398 Sony just doesn’t have those same quirks. All their cameras get full frame, slog3 and e mount. No issues at all.
@@davidmorefield Couldn’t agree more! I’m hoping Canon learns from their mistakes and follows suit.
As a Red user I’ve built up a decent collection of RF glass the last few years. Always felt Canon matches up well with Red. I’ve been holding out for Canon to drop a successor to the C70 and it’s finally here. I imagine at some point Nikon will compete with similar Z Mount cameras leveraging Red under the hood. Good times to be alive in cinematography ❤
@@marklholloway totally agree. Can’t make a bad decision anymore. It’s small preferences now.
Fun hearing your thoughts on this! I like what Canon’s doing with these new triple base ISOs - that middle ISO seems handy for shooting indoors when it’s a little dark but not too dark!
@@Tommy_Beal Thanks Tommy! I like these kinds of videos as well. They are fun to make.
When I tested the C400, I can confirm the triple base iso was amazing. I think in all honesty I will go for the C400 over the C80, as an A cam to use with my C70.. Great video as always!
@@notjustanygeorge that’s cool. Where’d you get to use the c400?
@@davidmorefield Managed to get to a hands on event at a local camera shop. I tested it out with native RF and a DZO PL zoom. The triple base ISO was great when testing out!
@@notjustanygeorgemay I ask why c400 over c80??
@@LukeSchaeferFilms It suits my work flow and has more of the features I’m looking for. Also, when I tested the C400 it’s a lot easier to use than I thought and the image is great from it ☺️
Hello, like the XLR-K3M module for sony, canon has an extension câble for any multi interface accessories, the separate handle and interface shoe is better than you think because it is better for cage rigging the camera, and the module can as well be put on the handle because of the extension câble.
For exemple the mid 49 cage or woodenb camera cage are perfect for that
@@Guillaume9 sounds like great accessories. C400 is a winner.
@@davidmorefield Well for the c80 instead of a shoe accessory it Can run a mid49 ab-4 which IS a double mini xlr to two xlr on a 1/4 screw that also work on the c70 si the c80 have a lot of good rigging solution plus the fact that it is more stealthly than anything else that's why I will take it over a c400 which is also problematic with more powerfull codec options but two différent slots. Just sad that the c80 IS sd reliant, which has a bigger Price to memory/speed than cf-express b. Got 5 of them v90 and my only cf-b 512 cost the same as one but IS equal as 4 or them jst in memory space
Amazing offering by Canon. However, the RF mount is still locked to Canon for AF support. Since the C80 is full frame, that speedbooster doesn't work.
So you're looking at spending $4K+ on lenses if you switch.
It’s also super 35
Not at all. Just use the regular Canon EF to RF and you have thousands of lenses available and without any limitation (like sony). I use sigma and tamron constantly with my c70 and R5 and R6MKII. Native lenses is another story, just RF-S for now with sigma. But honestly adapted EF to RF is basically native, better performance than the old EF mount anyway.
@@dsdddsd4543we yes the rf mount is in a weird position at the moment. Not as unified as emount. But as the other commenter said below, ef is still available. Just feels weird to have to resort to a discontinued lens lineup.
Seems like a good option. Hopefully they have/or will release the RF lens mount data to third part lens makers so more digital lens options.
@@jamesandcamera yeah that really confuses me. It only punishes their customers.
This is a great move from Canon and should nudge Sony to update its product line. But you gotta give it to Sony, their cameras still hold up beautifully after 4 years of being released. If Sony gives us 6k/open gate/raw/more exposure tools like waveform, they'll be in a really good place because their lens & camera ecosystem is already top tier.
@@Dano-Media Sony is in a fantastic spot. I think with those incremental feature additions, that you mentioned, they should retain the majority of the user market.
I still don't see the need to keep switching every year. I've had my C500 II and C70 for 4 and 3yrs now and wanting to upgrade was only because I love new toys, it was never a business need. Sure it would be nice to have both RF mount but never needed to. I already have the lenses that I need for both so it was never an issue. Honestly I could probably go another 4yrs with these 2 cameras...I have the Sony FS7 II and that's like 9 years old and I could easily switch with my Canon C500 II on most of my gigs and it wouldn't be a problem. The shortcomings with these cameras have already been solved. I think this is all GAS guys, this is just the camera companies marketing & promotion working...Having said all that, I want a C400 and C80 😁😁
@@LonzosStudios I wholeheartedly agree. I’m very happy with my fx6 as it fulfills my needs extremely well.
@@davidmorefield 😂😂😂 you said what I was trying to say in one sentence...😂😂
Im excited, i cant afford a c400
But the R5II and C80 are in my wheelhouse. The R5II Lets me down for my style because its so gimped when you look at the battery and overheating prevention add-ons. A flagship camera overheating in 4K30 is crazy 🤣
Im going to wait to see what the R6III does b4 i Plot on my next move
@@UrbanAnimeLounge yeah those types of limitations drove me nuts when I had canon and that’s what ultimately made me switch to Sony.
BUT canon still don't have a decent IBIS cam that matches perfectly. The R5mk2 and the R1 are a step int he right direction (they all finally have clog2). But the R5mk2's 60p is gimped.
Biggest thing for me is fitting into those bigger sets. Rarely see a canon being used. Feels like canon will never fully break into the space because the others are so cemented in.
Do you think it’s because cannons aren’t made for that, or do you think it’s just because a lot of people just prefer Sony?
@@Chandler_Goodrich Both ...
@@Chandler_Goodrich two reasons. It’s because Sony has been providing the right tools for years and these production companies have firmly rooted themselves in that workflow. From slog to emount.
And the 2nd reason is they have this product ladder that I mentioned. They are able to bring in a beginner on their alpha cams and as their career builds, they can move up the ladder to the fx series and now burano and Venice. They have a product for every level of the industry. Canon does not.
my issue is that I never left Canon, but I've been staying in EF lens mount land this whole time, while adapting the C70 with the speedbooster. So while my C70 will still be great to use, my C300 being EF would not be the outlier. That being said they are still amazing cameras and still have higher dynamic range than the C400 and C80 so one of those could slot in nicely now for sure.
@@avdcam yeah the double mount offering is seen as a plus by many but in fact is making things more difficult.
@@davidmorefield I think in the end canon just moved to a mirrorless mount so much later than Sony(since Sony was starting more from scratch back in the day). So Canon took more time but also meant their EF lenses were in play much longer. Switching to RF is not that different from switch entire camera systems.
@@avdcam And switching camera systems is extremely expensive. So it feels unfair to have to pay that price yet not get any of the benefits of a different manufacturer.
I really hate investing in SD cards in 2024 but I might have to consider, it's the only one thing I don't like.
Premium UHS-II cards are like the sweet spot
@@UrbanAnimeLounge V90 are like three times mor expensive per GB than CFe, it's a bitter pill to swallow.
@@avx111 yeah that is such a bummer. Price doesn’t make sense.
Canon opened RF lenses but only for the APSC. Honestly I love Canon and their specs, but lens prices are just absurd. I thought many times of getting an R5, R6m2, Even R5C which all seem like such a gooood cameras, but then I see that any decent lens from them is 2000-2500$, and there are no other options but that. With Sony u can get so many Sigma or Tamrons glasses up to 1500$ price which are of incredible quality. Canon is amazing if youre already invested in that system, but its really an expensive one. Even something like lumix S5IIx combined with 2 excellent Sigmas will get you really far for not much of a cost.
Man, I’m always looking at what’s the better offering. Canon is usually the better option when using EF glass and now even with RF. It’s so nice to be able to switch camera brands, and you can’t do that with Sony glass.
@@skymakai you can’t do it with rf glass either. They stopped producing ef lenses.
@@davidmorefield Huh? The Komodo has the RF mount. So does the Blackmagic Pocket 6K. RF glass is more versatile than Sone E mount.
@@skymakai ah I see what you are saying.
Moved to Sony FX6 from Canon C100 even though I have lots of EF lens. Sick and tired of Canon rubbish launches and protectionism. Never regret. Will not move back to Canon unless Sony screw up.
@@shem44 yep I had a similar mindset when I switched.
I enjoy these videos
@@johnmorefield358 Thanks dad!
My issue is plastic body. What's your opinion after using C70? Do you need to babysit it?
@@ETRayBeam Nah I used it like I use all my gear. A little rough but not abusive. As with any camera that has an lcd sticking out… gotta be careful. Other than that, no issues. Very durable.
Canon now needs a fx30 video first competitor!
There on a roll though with clog 2 and xhevc video files etc etc
The r5ii is a hit but the battery issue is a negative
The c400 is a hit but may be a little too late with the fx6ii on the rise
The c80 is a hit but the top handle is useless
@@Abdi_Mohamed_ You sound like me haha. For those and many other reasons are why o switched to Sony.
I just shot for a Fortune 500 company on a 10 year old FS7 and I’m still not upgrading. King of the ROI. That said, maybe it’s time to upgrade to a used C70 for sub 3k. 🤓 I’m sure someone thinks they need to upgrade to the C80. 🤣
I love seeing fs7’s still fulfilling the requests of modern day gigs. It really is one of the most useful cameras.
Canon money truck backing up 🆙 😂😂😂
Sony will have to lower the fx6 price to compete.
@@BarefootMediaTV I disagree. Most of the entire industry is on Sony. Canon is still trying to catch up to Sony. They’re getting closer.
But their B camera costs as much as FX6 and you have to pay double for their RF glass ... guess it's stuff for rich US and JP folks.
@@JoATTech Different needs for different markets.
@@davidmorefield FX6 is cheaper than C80 in my country actually. Might be the case FX6 II will be too, or close to C80.
SONY WAKE UP BRO ! It's time to send the new FX3/6/9 Mark II ! Answer NOW
Rumors say FX6 II has been already in tests, but I kinda doubt it.
@@JoATTech The calendar would like it to first be the replacement of the fx9 mark II released in 2019 in first time...maybe coming in October ?
Just chill lil grasshopper a7s4 a7r6 coming
@@moussasah2710 Yeah, everyone claims that FX9 replacement will be first, but some sites say that FX6 II been spotted in the wild.
The r5ii, c80, c400 ladder is pretty solid now! I would love to switch back but I'm afraid the trend has gone away from Canon. Sony is so popular in the video world that you need to create your own content to use Canon. I could probably get away with shooting Canon, but way too nervous to actually take the leap back. If we start hearing more companies ask for Canon I would gladly look that way, but need to let the market steer my system for now, and that is still Sony. In a vacuum, I prefer Canon's color but it also seems like the trend is going to the darker more muted feel of Sony's. You can color grade and add tons of nodes to make anything look like anything but I prefer to have a very simple color process. Sony is fine but if these sell like hotcakes I would gladly go back. If we saw the cranckycameraman switch systems that would be the sign.
@@asa_martinez in av vacuum is a perfect way to describe it. As for a working professional, the requests I get are only for Sony. Makes sense to move that direction.
Nope. This camera is for those switching from mirrorless. If you have a C70, it is not necessary to make the jump. 6k, SDI, ethernet, RF-not worth the jump. I am a Canon user, and his philosophy is, uhh, not a general user case. I use two C70s A/B, R5c as C. For many Canon users I know, you get two of the same camera not what he is talking about.
The r5c is sharper and it’s not a perfect match with the c70 which I use as well
@@fsb5370 Everyone’s needs are different but I’m glad to hear 2 c70’s fulfill yours. As for me, I needed a few bells and whistles like sdi, longer camera shape for shoulder mounting and as a freelancer I was consistently getting asked if I had Sony, not canon.
And I do agree for having matching cameras as being the best route. But having a matching b cam in a smaller package would come in more useful for myself.
wow, the C80 is finally replacing camcorders.
uh no. XF605 is a camcorder.
@@kennyadvocat how so?
I dont like sony. C80 looks great. If i would buy into this system i would get a c80 and a c400. To me those cameras are a level above sonys in this price range
Sounds like a solid pair.
He’s not really saying anything
@@unknowncaller4739 you’re not really listening.
im sorry but the c80 IMO is a very ugly "cinema cam" and looks more like a DSLR CAM for taking photos! ... and I don't care about it being 6K when the design of this seem like it would take a lot to rig out to make it heavy enough to use handheld and not having full size XLR ports is crazy for $5500 and a joke lol. plus a flip out screen on a cinema cam! can you take that flip screen and mount it different places on the body? and the average person consuming the content we make for them would not be able to tell the difference between 6k, 4k and 1080 because there watching the content on there phones the majority of the time and don't have 6k tv's! the only plus about this cam is that it can do 4k 120 @ S35. I see this cam mainly being used for podcasts. This is not remotely enough for someone thinking about switching if they already have a real cinema cam setup !
@@michaeldstories8714 it definitely since in the middle of a lot of situations. However, that could be where the beginner market who grew up on mirrorless is transitioning to. Maybe, maybe not. We’ll see!
Resolutions are not only meant to be a delivery size but to re frame, vertical from landscape content, etc.
this video is just someone complaining about their ex. i expected to see pros and cons of the camera. not your regrets.
@@truthseeker6804 Sonce the c70 and c80 are so similar, I am using my hands on experience with the c70 to build up my perspective of the c80. Rather than making it up out of thin air.
@@davidmorefield if you did that would've been better, but this video is; why you switched to sony. we're not here for that, talk about both cameras or the c80.
@@truthseeker6804 You are correct. The limitations of the c70 are why I moved to Sony. Those two story lines are not mutually exclusive. And there are others in the same boat. It seems like you are not, that’s ok. This content is made for a wide audience but its form a personal perspective.
The c80 resolves those shortcomings with the new features that I discuss. I think it’s a great camera. Hence the title.
nice to see canon coming up with an amazing camera. That's 3 out of 4 awesome cameras. Come on Sony, the year is running out.
@@manilamartin1001 I think this strong push from canon was long overdue but they really nailed it. Honestly, I don’t see what Sony is lacking on their side. What would you like to see?
@davidmorefield I'm happy with my sony set up but would would love a little bigger better screen on my fx3 and a74. I'm ok with 4k for what I do but would be curious for 6k version of fx3. I still probably wouldn't upgrade. I do mostly video these days and it doesn't even need to be 4k when I deliver it to clients.
@@manilamartin1001 same. About half of my clients are 1080.
I wish all manufacturers had bigger brighter and sharper screens.