Just wanted to thank you for your Tutorials. Really appreciate it :). Also when you played in Innsbruck I had one of the best Parties ever! Please do as many Tutorials as possible!!!
Marko, Tsar si brate!! Super awesome!! And the best part was almost not the knowledge you share but how you enjoyed the making of it! When you played kick and bass tgthr! Priceless! This is the real stuff!!!
Great respect for you E-CLIP I've always wondered how much work you put into it. What your program looks like and can do. Full professionalism! Greetings
Hey Marko! Thank you, this was a really nice b-day present for me! Actually I am experimenting with technodelic psytrance for which I use a Tanzbar2 for the kicks (and of course for other drum sounds too since it is a hybrid drummachine). Do you think that I can use your method to process my Tanzbar2 kicks similarly or does it require a totally different way of thinking. Actually I really love this basic analog sound. For the basslines I mostly use a Minitaur. I use more melodic basslines often starting on the kick note and my tempos are usually between 132 and 145 BPM. (I used to work as a recording and mixing engineer for bands, I started psy production about 2 ys ago, so I am an enthusiastic beginner) What do you suggest? Would there be a way to have some discussions on this topic with you? Thank you in advance! Bests, Andras, Hungary (And of course, take care Brother!)
Just go for "glue" compresor on K and B group. I like to put thre -12db Ratio 2 Attack 80-100ms Realise 15-30ms Makeup or gain 2-3db This is only for punch cuz its My style and vision of kick and bass in psytrance. But you can add a new eq or whatever.
you can add an extra node (same as the last) at the half time of the kick instead of the glide so it finishes on an even note - making phase alignment easier
There are so many processes to make align Kick&Bass, I never try to adjust the kick to the bass, I prefer to design kick to sound as I want and do other processes to align bass on that kick. I know what are you trying to say, but that process limits me and telling already how my tail of the kick will be, which I chose not to apply. But this is just a way of showing how I do it, and of course, if some other processes are better for you then you should apply them. It is just a matter of choice.
Hi, thanks for the tutorials even though I'm using Ableton the info is still relative. One question though, I'm unsure of one word @13:47 , whether it's a plugin I'm not familiar with or whether youtube translate is incorrect. You say "this is problematic also for Ableton users because if you put - transics? - on it, it will not do the same"... What is transics? I feel like it's probably a plugin with a unique name that I don't know... Please if you could clarify that would be great :)
@@dreamaera nope, those plugins you mention are volume envelope plugins, while EnvelopeShaper is multiband transient designer. They have similar names but they do totally different things. Ones you mentioned are doing “volume sidechaning” while Melada Transient MB and MuktibandEnvelopeShaper are for the transients.
@@EClipChannel I don’t have enough of them, what you share as an insight. I’ve been looking for this for a long time and I don’t want to use samples, but to understand the principle itself, thanks!
@@majesticradio.online Use the samples, trust me, 90% of the scene is using samples, as making the music is not the same as sound designer. It is OK to use samples, as making samples is really hard, and I think that you shall be learning to make them, but until you learn how to do it and to be 100% good quality, just use samples and enjoy being creative. Sound design is extremely complicated sport!
@@EClipChannel Does the fundamental frequency of the Kick have to match the Bass or should they be on a different octave to avoid conflicts? If kick is lower then bass is higher and vice versa.
@@majesticradio.online Tuning Kick Theory: In the past, I did tuning my kicks, but i stopped with that. In making music, there are so many theories that 'needs to be done'. Someone told you this, and someone told you that. My advice is to try all of them, but trust in your ears. Electronic Dance Music is quite new, and the quality of it is improving every day, so I believe that all theories shell be questioned again, as Electronic Dance Music is braking all of them. First is a dynamic, theories were written by the people who worked in totally different music scenes (ex: Bob Katz). So kick is the Impulse of pitch wave ( Sine Wave in most cases) fro 20000Hz down to 35Hz in some cases, which means that it has all the tones in 200ms (can be longer or shorter, but I'll take 200ms as avrenge). So the question is how we can tune something that covers all the frequency range? Well, we could try to pitch the tale of it, which has pitch down as well. So my theory is that we can not tune it. We can pitch it a bit so it can respond with bass better. But there are many other techniques to do the same. To me, it would be the last technique to try, as the process could be infinite! Where and When to stop pitching it around? What is the best pitch position for it? In Sound Desing, it is excellent to limit some processes in another way, the process is infinite, and there is a pretty good chance to destroy it more than do it properly. I would suggest, chose or make different kicks and try them for each note of the bass. So you are going to learn which kick is good for which bass note. Example: Track is in E, make a bass, and try different kicks, tweak the phase, and a little bit of EQ. If it doesn't work, look for another kick. It will save you tones of time. I was stubborn and wanted to be able to fix every kick for each bass notes, and it took me at least 5-6 years, and as a result, I got extensive knowledge about sound design, but I ignored my creativity and made much less music than I could. So the question actually is, Do you want to be a Sound Designer, or you want to write a music? Both of them together is pretty hard!
As I said in the video, I don't use Volume in LFO TOOL, I did filtering. Crossfade is reducing the volume, and with LFO tool I remove high frequencies from the second part of the kick! Like the Filter Envelope!
I am so happy that you are also making these in depth tutorials about kick and bass. Didnt really see a lot of good ones on youtube before. Im producing now for about 3 years and kick and bass is definitely the one that gets me a lot of sleepless nights. im always trying to perfect my kick and bass. If you ever have the time/interest than id be more than happy to hear if you have an idea how imagine mars and volcano did the kick and bass in their Daws of Perception Remix. Especially the bass has a pretty crazy sound, i dont know if it is some sort of colouring or simply black magic. there are a few tracks with this very distinct, very warm yet clear and defined pumping bass (outsiders let there be light remix has also a similar sounding bass). For me thats the biggest production mysterie in the moment :D
@@EClipChannel Like for real? I heard of this kind of thing but didnt really think that its that common... But youre not talking about mindspin right? So ill be probably not be able to recreate this type of bassline? :( Ive really tried so much and got really great results for sure, but not exactly what i wanted.
@@EClipChannel Im sorry for asking, totally understandable! Well ill look into that, these basses are my mission since i started pretty much. im stoked for more tutorials, its very kind of you that you provide your knowledge to us! Thank you!
Thanks for the tips, man. I’m learning a lot! I have a small question. Its possible to rearrange the size of the wave in the same way you did after you bounced the kick in logic pro? Or if there is way to do that in logic?
I don't think that's possible in Logic, I am not sure, but I think that it is not possible. You could fix the envelope with any envelope plugin such as Volume Shaper, Lfo Tool.
Is there any benefit of using the built in EQ on well.. anything, as opposed to any other standalone EQ. Like a synthesiser or this kick synth has EQ built in. You would expect that they tune it to work with the synth itself to get the best results
Hello, love the video, it is probably the most comprehensive video on Kick Synthesis for psytrance that I've seen on youtube. I am curious about the brickwall from 50-100Hz. I find it quite easy to achieve the brickwall with a kick in, G, but nearly impossible with a kick in lower notes, such as D#. Do different rules apply to kicks in lower notes, or should i still be aiming for a brickwall of some sort... maybe instead of 50-100Hz, maybe around 50-70Hz?
Wtf brick wall?????????? Bruh wtf like why? Go for 36db is the high point after that ur kick is losing energy omg... But okay uh. So just go for 36-48db than linear phase - max if u using Q 3 or 2 and than freeze and flatten to avoid 1.5k ms lag.. Why linear phase? This is solution for phase cancel's. Its make no phase change but very hungry feature for pc hardware.
15:02 very hard to hear the difference. My old speakers are probably not good enough. I cant really hear that much in the top end but for some reason I imagine there being less boominess of some kind in the bottom when you activate the hihat. Sounds almost like a bit faster decay on the kick tail with the hihat. Your ears are very tuned Marko! Thanks for this tutorial, learning alot!! Stay safe man and hope to hear more from you soon.
Yes, I feel you 100%. When I record a tutorial and bring it home for the final check, I also can't hear a lot of things that I hear on Sm9 in the studio.
Would love to see an analysis video where you break down other artists kick/bass, going through what to listen for when using a reference in order to guide your own k/b creation (if that's something you do). Especially artists out of the Serbian scene such as lyktum, talpa etc. Not so much how to recreate them but how to train your ear to recognise the finer details of what's going on
I have Cubase 10.5 but I prefer Reaper. It seems Cubase is essential for the kick and the bassline due to Quadrafuzz and the MultiEnvelope. I thought about making the kick and the bass in Cubase and the rest of the song in Reaper. Are the Cubase plugins essential and non-replaceable for anything else than the kick and bass?
I don't agree. Quadrafuzz is ok but it's not essential, EnvelopeMultiband you can replace with Melda Transient Multiband. Quadrafuzz you can replace with Vitamin Multi from Waves, these are not the same, but it doesn't need to be the same, as you get similar results
@@EClipChannel Thank you. I have everything you use except for the Melda. I’ll get their bundle. I loved your music from the beginning. When I moved to another country to start a new life, I listened to Shuma in the car. Now I see you are not only an amazing artist but an excellent teacher as well. You make the world a better place.
@@EClipChannel Listening on my headphones I noticed the end of the tail doesn't fade out smoothly, I has to do with Kick 2 and the second last point in the Amplitude envelope. I had the same issue in a kick I made. Move the second last point somewhat back and notice the difference at the very end of the sound. And thanks for the tutorials, much appreciated!
Hello, man! Very nice tutorial! Show please, if you can, in next tutorials, how to create groove part from kind of staby bass/pluck like in your track Salvia Divinorum on 1:26
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i have searched for this tutorial too long! Thanks for this helpful tutorial
Just wanted to thank you for your Tutorials. Really appreciate it :). Also when you played in Innsbruck I had one of the best Parties ever! Please do as many Tutorials as possible!!!
Same over here^^
A ja kontao, bacis kick, odradis EQ i to je to. Zapravo postoji cela nauka iza dobrog kick-a. Hvala na ovom tutorijalu i samo nastavi. :)
Friend, these are the best tutorials online. I highly appreciate it, Please never stop! Waiting for it every week😁 Thanks a lot!
Thank you for All the Traxx you done and the Tutorials too. Still with you from from the Beginning
Marko, Tsar si brate!! Super awesome!! And the best part was almost not the knowledge you share but how you enjoyed the making of it! When you played kick and bass tgthr! Priceless! This is the real stuff!!!
the amount of knowledge in this video u share is very amazing. can u give me a hint to get kick basee synthesis design in reason
Thanks a bunch for doing these, E-Clip - much appreciated! :)
thank you for all the tutorials you put out! really doing a good job do help people get a better understanding on psytrance
much love!
thank you a lot! im making it exactly like you...
Thank you very much!
For Ableton users as myself... You have iztope neutron 3, good shaper without phasing)
Great respect for you E-CLIP I've always wondered how much work you put into it. What your program looks like and can do. Full professionalism! Greetings
The alternative multiband envelope shaper for me is Neutron's 2 Transient Shaper module. It is pretty good with plenty of choises.
thanks for sharing what you know with us!!! I like to see your tutorials and i realy like your project e-clip.
all the best
Hey Marko! Thank you, this was a really nice b-day present for me! Actually I am experimenting with technodelic psytrance for which I use a Tanzbar2 for the kicks (and of course for other drum sounds too since it is a hybrid drummachine). Do you think that I can use your method to process my Tanzbar2 kicks similarly or does it require a totally different way of thinking. Actually I really love this basic analog sound. For the basslines I mostly use a Minitaur. I use more melodic basslines often starting on the kick note and my tempos are usually between 132 and 145 BPM. (I used to work as a recording and mixing engineer for bands, I started psy production about 2 ys ago, so I am an enthusiastic beginner) What do you suggest? Would there be a way to have some discussions on this topic with you? Thank you in advance! Bests, Andras, Hungary (And of course, take care Brother!)
Really a nice tutorial ! I don't even produce but it's fun to watch
Very very good work!!!!Can you make a KIck bass group mix tutorial??
Just go for "glue" compresor on K and B group. I like to put
thre -12db
Ratio 2
Attack 80-100ms
Realise 15-30ms
Makeup or gain 2-3db
This is only for punch cuz its My style and vision of kick and bass in psytrance. But you can add a new eq or whatever.
you can add an extra node (same as the last) at the half time of the kick instead of the glide so it finishes on an even note - making phase alignment easier
There are so many processes to make align Kick&Bass, I never try to adjust the kick to the bass, I prefer to design kick to sound as I want and do other processes to align bass on that kick. I know what are you trying to say, but that process limits me and telling already how my tail of the kick will be, which I chose not to apply. But this is just a way of showing how I do it, and of course, if some other processes are better for you then you should apply them. It is just a matter of choice.
Hi, thanks for the tutorials even though I'm using Ableton the info is still relative.
One question though, I'm unsure of one word @13:47 , whether it's a plugin I'm not familiar with or whether youtube translate is incorrect. You say "this is problematic also for Ableton users because if you put - transics? - on it, it will not do the same"... What is transics? I feel like it's probably a plugin with a unique name that I don't know... Please if you could clarify that would be great :)
Trans-X , plugin fron Waves. But instead you can use Melda Production Transient MB
@@EClipChannel Okay as I suspected, thanks for clarifying. Are they comparable to shaperbox by cableguys?
@@dreamaera nope, those plugins you mention are volume envelope plugins, while EnvelopeShaper is multiband transient designer. They have similar names but they do totally different things. Ones you mentioned are doing “volume sidechaning” while Melada Transient MB and MuktibandEnvelopeShaper are for the transients.
@@EClipChannel Ok cool, thanks again for clarifying, I'll start learning more about transient shapers :)
thank you brother this is massive!
Thank you for sharing secrets, information is worth its weight in gold)
Not secrets, just knowledge!
@@EClipChannel I don’t have enough of them, what you share as an insight. I’ve been looking for this for a long time and I don’t want to use samples, but to understand the principle itself, thanks!
@@majesticradio.online Use the samples, trust me, 90% of the scene is using samples, as making the music is not the same as sound designer. It is OK to use samples, as making samples is really hard, and I think that you shall be learning to make them, but until you learn how to do it and to be 100% good quality, just use samples and enjoy being creative. Sound design is extremely complicated sport!
@@EClipChannel Does the fundamental frequency of the Kick have to match the Bass or should they be on a different octave to avoid conflicts? If kick is lower then bass is higher and vice versa.
@@majesticradio.online Tuning Kick Theory:
In the past, I did tuning my kicks, but i stopped with that.
In making music, there are so many theories that 'needs to be done'.
Someone told you this, and someone told you that. My advice is to try all of them, but trust in your ears. Electronic Dance Music is quite new, and the quality of it is improving every day, so I believe that all theories shell be questioned again, as Electronic Dance Music is braking all of them.
First is a dynamic, theories were written by the people who worked in totally different music scenes (ex: Bob Katz).
So kick is the Impulse of pitch wave ( Sine Wave in most cases) fro 20000Hz down to 35Hz in some cases, which means that it has all the tones in 200ms (can be longer or shorter, but I'll take 200ms as avrenge).
So the question is how we can tune something that covers all the frequency range? Well, we could try to pitch the tale of it, which has pitch down as well. So my theory is that we can not tune it. We can pitch it a bit so it can respond with bass better. But there are many other techniques to do the same. To me, it would be the last technique to try, as the process could be infinite! Where and When to stop pitching it around? What is the best pitch position for it? In Sound Desing, it is excellent to limit some processes in another way, the process is infinite, and there is a pretty good chance to destroy it more than do it properly. I would suggest, chose or make different kicks and try them for each note of the bass. So you are going to learn which kick is good for which bass note.
Example: Track is in E, make a bass, and try different kicks, tweak the phase, and a little bit of EQ. If it doesn't work, look for another kick. It will save you tones of time. I was stubborn and wanted to be able to fix every kick for each bass notes, and it took me at least 5-6 years, and as a result, I got extensive knowledge about sound design, but I ignored my creativity and made much less music than I could. So the question actually is, Do you want to be a Sound Designer, or you want to write a music? Both of them together is pretty hard!
Hi Marko, is there at 11:22 any reason why you don't use the crossfade function ("X"-key) instead of the LFO-tool to remove the clipping noise?
As I said in the video, I don't use Volume in LFO TOOL, I did filtering. Crossfade is reducing the volume, and with LFO tool I remove high frequencies from the second part of the kick! Like the Filter Envelope!
@@EClipChannel Thanks for your quick response! 👍
Too much good information and inspiration :-) thank you
I am so happy that you are also making these in depth tutorials about kick and bass. Didnt really see a lot of good ones on youtube before. Im producing now for about 3 years and kick and bass is definitely the one that gets me a lot of sleepless nights. im always trying to perfect my kick and bass. If you ever have the time/interest than id be more than happy to hear if you have an idea how imagine mars and volcano did the kick and bass in their Daws of Perception Remix. Especially the bass has a pretty crazy sound, i dont know if it is some sort of colouring or simply black magic. there are a few tracks with this very distinct, very warm yet clear and defined pumping bass (outsiders let there be light remix has also a similar sounding bass). For me thats the biggest production mysterie in the moment :D
These kicks and basses are done from 1 guy, 1 that do almost for half of the scene, all the mixing. But he is pretty expensive
@@EClipChannel so the rumours are true :D thats funny, great tutorial again ! thanks !
@@EClipChannel Like for real? I heard of this kind of thing but didnt really think that its that common...
But youre not talking about mindspin right?
So ill be probably not be able to recreate this type of bassline? :(
Ive really tried so much and got really great results for sure, but not exactly what i wanted.
@@MultiSarius you could, but you would need ES1 from Logic. As those basses are from that VSTi. I won't be mentioning any names!
@@EClipChannel Im sorry for asking, totally understandable!
Well ill look into that, these basses are my mission since i started pretty much.
im stoked for more tutorials, its very kind of you that you provide your knowledge to us! Thank you!
Thanks for the tips, man. I’m learning a lot! I have a small question. Its possible to rearrange the size of the wave in the same way you did after you bounced the kick in logic pro? Or if there is way to do that in logic?
I don't think that's possible in Logic, I am not sure, but I think that it is not possible. You could fix the envelope with any envelope plugin such as Volume Shaper, Lfo Tool.
Is there any benefit of using the built in EQ on well.. anything, as opposed to any other standalone EQ.
Like a synthesiser or this kick synth has EQ built in. You would expect that they tune it to work with the synth itself to get the best results
Benefit is just that is already there and it’s fastest way to fix something quickly.
awesome
thanks for the insights! it helps a lot 🙏🏻
Hello, love the video, it is probably the most comprehensive video on Kick Synthesis for psytrance that I've seen on youtube.
I am curious about the brickwall from 50-100Hz. I find it quite easy to achieve the brickwall with a kick in, G, but nearly impossible with a kick in lower notes, such as D#. Do different rules apply to kicks in lower notes, or should i still be aiming for a brickwall of some sort... maybe instead of 50-100Hz, maybe around 50-70Hz?
Wtf brick wall?????????? Bruh wtf like why? Go for 36db is the high point after that ur kick is losing energy omg... But okay uh. So just go for 36-48db than linear phase - max if u using Q 3 or 2 and than freeze and flatten to avoid 1.5k ms lag.. Why linear phase? This is solution for phase cancel's. Its make no phase change but very hungry feature for pc hardware.
You misunderstood me. Not a brickwall eq curve, but having equal levels at 50-100Hz.
thanks for sharing
Ive got a korg electribe 2 do i need to use this still and serum for psychtrance
15:02 very hard to hear the difference. My old speakers are probably not good enough. I cant really hear that much in the top end but for some reason I imagine there being less boominess of some kind in the bottom when you activate the hihat. Sounds almost like a bit faster decay on the kick tail with the hihat.
Your ears are very tuned Marko!
Thanks for this tutorial, learning alot!! Stay safe man and hope to hear more from you soon.
Yes, I feel you 100%. When I record a tutorial and bring it home for the final check, I also can't hear a lot of things that I hear on Sm9 in the studio.
Fuck putting out the good stuff. Thanks Marco!
1:32 Studio Tour please hahaha
Like if you agree
Would love to see an analysis video where you break down other artists kick/bass, going through what to listen for when using a reference in order to guide your own k/b creation (if that's something you do). Especially artists out of the Serbian scene such as lyktum, talpa etc.
Not so much how to recreate them but how to train your ear to recognise the finer details of what's going on
Thank you great tutorial 👍
Thanks a lot!
Hey man, could you provide that kick2 preset by any chance? Your tutorials are amazing.
Thanks heaps
Just copy what he did on the screen. don't be lazy ;)
can you try to make kick bass and percussion just like in Astrix Sahara?
I have Cubase 10.5 but I prefer Reaper. It seems Cubase is essential for the kick and the bassline due to Quadrafuzz and the MultiEnvelope. I thought about making the kick and the bass in Cubase and the rest of the song in Reaper. Are the Cubase plugins essential and non-replaceable for anything else than the kick and bass?
I don't agree. Quadrafuzz is ok but it's not essential, EnvelopeMultiband you can replace with Melda Transient Multiband. Quadrafuzz you can replace with Vitamin Multi from Waves, these are not the same, but it doesn't need to be the same, as you get similar results
@@EClipChannel Thank you. I have everything you use except for the Melda. I’ll get their bundle.
I loved your music from the beginning. When I moved to another country to start a new life, I listened to Shuma in the car. Now I see you are not only an amazing artist but an excellent teacher as well. You make the world a better place.
@@martina1774
Working two weeks on a kick, with a problem in the tail of the final product?
I didn’t understand the question? What is the problem?
@@EClipChannel Listening on my headphones I noticed the end of the tail doesn't fade out smoothly, I has to do with Kick 2 and the second last point in the Amplitude envelope. I had the same issue in a kick I made. Move the second last point somewhat back and notice the difference at the very end of the sound. And thanks for the tutorials, much appreciated!
@@xgmode yup, it that happens a lot in Kick2, i always bounce the kick form Kick2 to Wav, and than just apply a small fadeout, and that’s all.
Yeaaa fresh ears
Software name
bassline is from the other tutorial with serum?
Hello, man! Very nice tutorial! Show please, if you can, in next tutorials, how to create groove part from kind of staby bass/pluck like in your track Salvia Divinorum on 1:26
LA LA LI LI LA LA
thanks :)
why do you phase the kick ?
Thanks Marco.... I'll pay to have your ears ;)
thx alot
I actually dont hear any diffrences you talk about... I dont know if it is my ears or if it is my sound system.... :(
i think you can use the transient shaper from neutron... for boosting with out messing the phase
That is right, but Neutron takes to much CPU. And i think it is linear phase, as it is a bit heavy!
@@EClipChannel Yes, it takes quite a bit of CPU... but then bounce it and the CPU is free. Fellow Ableton user trying to help out ;)
Thanks for the recommendation!
Mare care!
Thanks for the tutorial dude. Please send me closed hi hat samples
Cim sam cuo taj engleski odmah sam znao da si nas XD
Cim sam procitao komentar, odam sam znao da si nash!