The Werewolves of Sauron | Tolkien Explained
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2023
- Created by Sauron, the werewolves of Middle-earth are great wolves with evil spirits trapped within. We cover their origins and tell of the two greatest of their kind - Draugluin and Carcharoth!
Hit subscribe and the bell for great Tolkien content every week!
Nerd of the Rings on PATREON: / nerdoftherings
NOTR merch: nerdoftherings.creator-spring...
To purchase artist work, check out these amazing artists!
Tulikoura - www.deviantart.com/tulikoura
Matthew Stewart - www.matthew-stewart.com/
BellaBergolts - www.deviantart.com/bellabergolts
Magdalena Katanska - www.artstation.com/magdalenak... / qualiney
Jerry Vanderstelt - store.vandersteltstudio.com/m...
Anna Podedworna - www.artstation.com/akreon
Jenny Dolfen - goldseven.wordpress.com/
Turner Mohan - turner_mohan
Ted Nasmith - www.tednasmith.com/shop/
Anke Eissmann - anke.edoras-art.de/anke_illust...
Aronja Art - / aronjaart
Ivan Cavini - / ivan_cavini
Sara Morello - www.artstation.com/saramorello
Matěj Čadil - www.etsy.com/people/matejcadil
Tulikoura - www.deviantart.com/tulikoura
Aegeri - www.deviantart.com/aegeri
Sergio Botero - www.artstation.com/sboterod
Noe Leyva - / noeleyvart
Clemence Morisseau - www.artstation.com/kahirie
Edvige Faini - www.edvigefaini.com , edvige.faini edvige_faini
Miriam Ellis - www.miriamellis.com
Stevce Lazarevski - www.artstation.com/artofstevce
Álvaro González - / alvarofernag_art
the might of morgoth - dracarysdrekkar
Warg Rider - John Howe
Carcharoth - Stevce Lazarevski
Gandalf and Balrog - JG Jones
Sauron Brought Werewolves - Peet
luthien in angband - Pete Amachree
morgoth - dracarysdrekkar
Orome Hunts the Creatures of Morgoth - Kip Rasmussen
Wargs - John Howe
barrow wight - CK Goksoy
wolf stranger - Lida Klavina
werewolf 2 - Lida Klavina
Werewolf - Lida Klavina
Warg - John Howe
dark lore of lotr, into the storm - TS Rodriguez
sauron - akreon
Witch-king of Angmar - Anato Finnstark
Sauron - Kimberly
Gorthaur the Cruel - Matěj Čadil
Sauron vs Finrod - the Duel of Songs of Power - Anna Kulisz
Werewolf - The White Council
Warg - John Howe
On the bridge of woe - Alan Lee
beren, luthien and huan - Steamey
finrod and sauron - anotherstranger_me
Death of Finrod Felagund - Anke Eißmann
Finrod - Jenny Dolfen
In a dungeon - Mysilvergreen
Lúthien Escapes Upon Huan - Ted Nasmith
Lúthien and Huan coming for Beren - Catherine Karina Chmiel
Sauron - anotherstranger_me
Warg - Elrodimus Flash
Dark tower - Felix Englund
the fight of huan and carcharoth - kuliszu
unusual encounter wolf - Lida Klavina
Turkafinwe in Valinor - Marya Filatova
huan went back - alystraea
Sauron - Kinko White
werewolf sauron - dracarysdrekkar
Dark valley - Felix Englund
Huan Subdues Sauron - Ted Nasmith
sauron and huan - anotherstranger_me
Tol Sirion - J.R.R. Tolkien (Colored_by_H.E._Riddett)
Beren and Luthien - wolf and bat - Catherine Karina Chmiel
morgoth and sauron - anotherstranger_me
And Morgoth came - Jenny Dolfen
melkor morgoth - dracarysdrekkar
morgoth - ckgoksoy
Wild Fell Beast - Angus McBride
The Fell Beast of Mordor - Matěj Čadil
Transformed - Ted Nasmith
Beren and Lúthien Approach Angband - Ted Nasmith
Luthien Tinuviel - Daniel Dougherty
luthien in angband - Pete Amachree
Beren recovers a Silmaril - Anke Eißmann
Beren and Luthien flee Angband - Pete Amachree
Luthien of Doriath - Marya Filatova
Carcharoth - Turner Mohan
Beren and Luthien - Sara Morello
Battle in the distance - Felix Englund
Beren's Trial - Anke Eißmann
The hunting party - Anke Eißmann
The Hunting of the Wolf - Alan Lee
Huan's Leap - Ted Nasmith
Huan's Leap 2 - Ted Nasmith
Celegorm in Himlad - Marya Filatova
The quest fulfilled - Anke Eißmann
beren and luthien - Steamey
beren and luthien - Turner Mohan
mountains - Felix Englund
Warg - Olanda Fong-Surdenas
The Council of Elrond - Alan Lee
sauron army - WETA
Forest edge - Felix Englund
The Wargs - Alan Lee
To read about Tolkien's werewolves, check out these great resources!
The Silmarillion
Beren & Luthien
The History of Middle-earth
TolkienGateway.net
The Encyclopedia of Arda
#werewolf #tolkien #silmarillion - บันเทิง
I love the art depicting Huan as a big fluffy dog. A sheepdog with a shaggy and cuddly face, the nicest of boys, slaughtering werewolves left and right.
Huan is a good boi
The artwork depicting Huan resemble an Irish Wolfhound, a larger breed of dog bred for guard duty and hunting wolves.
@@KingOfSciliy 😯 I didn't know about them. So big! I though they were inspired on terriers or some water dogs. Thank you.
I like Huan being an Irish Wolfhound😊
They awesome dogs and look the part
But they are cowards and have the sweetest souls, they are a new invention , not the actual ones who fought the wolf's in Ireland 🇮🇪 😢
@@KonradvonHotzendorf Aw they're cowards? XD
I like how Sauons battering ram is in the shape of a werewolf. It is both an ancient fear and a challenge to the descendants of Luthien and Beren
GROND
GROND! GROND! GROND!
GROND!!!
@@duncanloviscky2329beat me to it
GROND
Man, the story of Beren and Luthien/Huan and the werewolves is one of the best tales in the Tolkien universe. Just imagine, if done correctly of course, how amazing that story would be on the big screen
Not very, because fluffy dog fighting a wolf would look silly. Also you'd need to jettison 90% of the irrelevant/redundant nonsense to make it presentable on big screen...
@@KuK137he's based on a wolfhound. There huge and Not exactly fluffy.
@@KuK137mate... What are you actually even doing here? If you think Tolkien's storytelling is "irrelevant/redundant nonsense" why are you watching a video about said nonsense?
Seems like you're a little confused. Just search My Little Pony in the search bar I'm sure that'll be more you're speed.
@@alexg1778 Mic drop
"If" done correctly.
Huan was a great hound and a faithful companion of Beren and Luthien. Would be great to see a faithful adaptation of this story on screen. Thanks for such a beautiful story telling Matt ❤
The story of Beren and Luthien is such a beautiful, inspiring, tragic and heroic tale. It would make a magnificent movie, if handled correctly.
Any depiction of Morgoth or the Silmariles on screen would be disappointing
Even if you got the team from The Lord of the Rings movies, gave them all the time in the world (unlike The Hobbit), it would still be disappointing, it still would not depict the full Evil of Morgoth or the Holy Beauty of the Gems with any satisfaction. They are divine, any depiction will dispoint, same for the Queen of Doriath (can't remember her name) and Sauron. Only Howard Shore would come close, only music could depict it with any satisfaction. Which might explain why the only real adaptation of the Silmarillon is an Opera.
@@Hundredyacrewoods I appreciate your view. It is Melian, and Cate Blanchett is already taken! I agree very few actors could do this. They would need to be early middle age and classically trained on the stage with the baseload of a string of nuclear power stations. That goes for all the leads. It is a sorry testament to the profession that we struggle to think it even possible. I think the stage is where we seek the talent. Cinema is not a great source at the moment.
Black Beren and Lesbian Luthien, yes
I say animation would suit the Silmarilion stories best
I'm always reminded of exactly how much Tolkien really put his love and effort into all his stories when i watch your videos❤
the tale of Huan always brings a tear to my eye
Immediately thought “aaaWOOOOO! Werewolves of Sauron!” to the tune of “Werewolves of London”.
Underrated comment.
I find it real cool how we see that Sauron really just was a lieutenant of the real evil
This has always been known.
@TheBigheadValley not to everyone. Rather than patting yourself on the back for knowing certain things about an enormous world maybe welcome new people in with a little humility?
@@alexg1778 Based
@@alexg1778sigma
Nothing fills me with sorrow more than the death of a faithful hound
Great video! Nerd of the Rings' next video should be about Huan the Hound. His aid in assisting Beren and Luthien during their quest for the silmaril would be crucial in bringing down Morgoth and his sacrifice during his fight with Carcharoth would ensure that Beren and Luthien's sacrifice would result in their descendants becoming great kings, warriors, and healers for thousands of years.
I saw a werewolf sipping a pina colada on Tol-in-Gaurhoth. His hair was perfect. Awoooooooooo, Werewolves of Sauron!
(Sorry, couldn't resist. Great video as always.)
Wargs and werewolves are not the same as far as Tolkien is concerned, right? Cause I can only imagine how TA Sauron woulda fared if he had the might, abilities and thralls that FA Sauron had.
To be honest Witch King was the greatest thrall Sauron had in his time
Not the same, but they are related in some way; for both werewolves and wargs are bred from even more corrupted wolves.
FA and TA sauron ?
@@JohnJohn-qq1cw First Age Sauron and Third Age Sauron
@@JohnJohn-qq1cwseems you might need to read Tolkien's works to fully understand.
I am now singing “Ahoooooo Werewolves of Sauron” to the tune of Warren Zevon’s “Werewolves of London”.
I saw werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand
Walking through the streets of SoHo in the rain
Wait, there are vampires? Can you please do a video on them? This is the first time I've heard of a vampire other than sauron and I really want to know more.
(Editor's note):
Just FYI when I said "this is the first time I heard of a vampire other than sauron" I meant this is the first time I've heard of vampires in Middle Earth other than sauron. Not just vampires in general. Obviously I know what vampires are. I mean, is it even possible for someone to not know who Dracula is?
Sauron had a server called Thuringwethil, she wore a cloak of bat shape and she was mistress of many secrets and probably the official messenger between Angband and Tol-in-Gaurhoth. She could turn herself in the shape of a giant bat (this is a vampire for Tolkien). Lúthien stole this very cloak for her infiltration in Angband.
You can see her in the first illustration of the video, to the left.
@@Kynokefalos thanks for letting me know 👍
@@Kynokefalos thats awesome, every now and then i come back to tolkiens lore and get really invested in learning it all
@@Kynokefalosi didnt know that. And thanks for pointing it out
As someone a huge fan of werewolves I wish they played a larger part in the story of Lord of the Rings then just a quick mention of them by Gandalf.
You’re the reason I can fall asleep at night. Thank you. 💕
Insteresting. I read somewhere that the Great Goblin of the Hobbit was also another one of those beings "inhabited" by a dark power; not really a orc/goblin, but something more powerful in goblin form.
There are discussions about the Goblin King, Azog and Bolg being, at the very least, descendants of corrupted Maiar who took the shape of great Orc-captains and bred with other orcs.
@@leonardofaber5823 maybe that's what I read.
@@leonardofaber5823 I like the theory that some Maia took the forms of Orcs and the like; it explains things like some of them being quite long-lived and the memories the Goblin-King had of Orcrist and Glamdring.
What an incredible coincidence that I watched Overlysarcastic Production's video all about Werewolves on this faithful day
Please make a video of the many languages in Tolkien's legendarium! It is the only one I've been craving to see from your channel!
The tales involving Huan and Carcharoth remind me the most of Beowulf out of Tolkien's writings I've read. The whole of those passages has a Norse epic poem feel to it.
He originally wrote it as a poem---is in Lost Tales 2, I think?
That episode of the werewolf who kept killing Beren's companions one by one while they were imprisoned is definitely based on the imprisonment and torture of Sigmund, a hero from the Old Norse Völsung Saga, whose brothers were killed off by a she-wolf until he was freed. Like Beren, Sigmund too wore a wolf skin for some time (although idk why). But it does reflect Tolkien's knowledge on these stories
I look forward to and thoroughly enjoy these so very much! Thank you, and many thanks to the Patreon supporters.
These more nuanced topics are the best, keep up the good work as always!
I've been a fan of Werewolves for a long time and I never heard of the Werewolves of Sauron in the Lord of the Rings.
Yeah that's understandable, not many people actually read the silmarillian or unfinished tales.
@@ImOnioned. Yes. I would add to that Beren and Luthien. The separate recent book, not (just) the chapter in the Silmarillion
Gotta read all the stuff from Tolkien’s Legendarium.
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandleyes but be careful whichone u gonna order,cause the one i got had no sauron no werewolves inside.instaid a huge cats the lord of cats and his minions.apparently it was the VERY early writings of tolkien before he creates sauron idk.and the moment I realized i stopped reading it😂🤣
@@skandalisgewrgios yes for sure ! Meow
Please cover thuringwethil and the vampires in the next video.
She is my favourite minor character.
Btw what is the music you use in your videos, it's super cool.
Love all your vids. Oh yeah what is the art at 4:23, it makes for an amazing wallpaper.
What is the music though? I've been trying to find it forever
I loved all the little tidbits you bring, underlining and reinforcing the lore!
Definitely one of my favourite topics, love your stuff!
This series is awesome. Love your videos. They are brilliant and wonderful. We always appreciate your hard work and time to make these videos.
This was very helpful, thank you. Wonderful illustrations and narration!
Been looking forward to you covering this subject. I found the stories about the werewolves one of the highlights of reading the Silmarillion, and the image Tolkien conjured of Tol-in-Gaurhoth as a foreboding, haunted and misty 'Isle of Werewolves' along with the many battles fought there made for an unforgettable read.
You make really the best content on TH-cam, love to watch this channel. Continue making lots of videos man! And maybe an another magic the gathering match, was fun to watch haha
Excellent! I really enjoyed this post!
Love the lore. Great video as always
Nice work dude thanks
Amazing video! It would be also great to see material about wampirs of Middle-earth.
Greetingz From Amsterdam, love your content!
I have always wondered about the full history of these creatures in Tolkien's world. Thanks.
"I have a Silmaril foul beast! Begone lest you feel its power!'
Bites off hand
"Huh... not how I expected that to go"
I’m glad you mentioned wargs. I was going to ask about them.
Amazing video. Thank you 🙏
I love this video. Just like all. I love them all. This is in my top ten for sure.
Really interesting parallel between Carcharoth and Sauron's "fell beasts" of the Third Age! Never saw that connection, because the texts are so far apart.
As a side note, this piece about werewolves eventually slides into a retelling of Beren and Luthien...given that so much of Tolkien's mythology is interconnected, it might be better to focus each video on one subject, even if that means making it shorter. Otherwise, you run into the problem of retreading the same ground as other videos.
That's a small quibble -- your videos are amazing, keep it up!
On that note, Can you do a Video on the Wargs?
Other videos that would be interesting include:
Frodo Baggins - how haven't you done a video on him yet? Yet surprisingly few people do.
Eru Iluvitar
J.R.R Tolkien - the man himself
Christopher Tolkien
An updated Legendarium reading order - where does "The Fall of Númenor" fit in
he Hobbit folklore - found most prominently in the "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" poetry collection (which you left out of your Legendarium reading order)
And perhaps some of Tolkien's other works:
Roverandom, Farmer Giles of Ham, his actual academic works, ect.
Love your videos
Great stuff as always.
Just forgot to mention that Luthien cast a sleeping spell on Sauron making him an easy target for Huan to defeat
Sauron be like "Hey that's cheating!"
Forgetting Huan just demolish the better part of an entire race of evil without taking a break. So really, she was just evening things out
I really love your videos. I've been watching your content for awhile, and often I use your videos to dive further into Tolkien while I read his books or watch Jackson's interpretation. I'd love to know what you think would happen if Gollum had never escaped the elves of Mirkwood. Would Frodo and Sam never figure their way out to the black gate? Would they both have still been captured by Faramir? Would the Ring Wraiths seize the ring from Frodo at Mount Doom?
Lots to learn here, let’s go!
Great job, thanks!
Awesome video!
I wish Beren and Luthien (plus Huan) could be adapted by Studio Ghibli
I’d love to see a video of you. If you were in charge of creating a TCU Tolkien Cinematic Universe or maybe TCA Tolkien Cinematic Arts. A long video of you laying out a map of trilogy movies. Anthology movies and series. What stories/characters would you start with.
There are many versions of werewolves in literature.
The original cursed ones of history.
The Garu of Werewolf the Apocalypse.
Underworld.
Even I had writen my own version in three books.
Great video. Never really gave a thought on werewolves. Are there any mention of where wargs came from, besides the theory that they came from the possible line of werewolves? That would be an interesting video. As always thanks, waiting on next Saturday.
Wargs could be half-werewolf, and half-wolf. They are mentioned seperately from werewolves and regular wolves, so maybe they are somewhere in the middle.
@@Paulafan5 thanks. I also thought because Sauron was a master manipulator, maybe he crossed wolves and large boars. just my thinking. However thanks for replying.
Great vid thank you
Well done!
Saturday! Lore day! Always the best day. Thats all I need. 😂
Anyone else see this and think Warren Zevon?
Werewolves of Mordor!
I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at the Prancing Pony
His hair was perfect!
hell yeah thanks for this
Have you done a video on the dragons of middle earth? If not I would love to see one
I like how Carcaroth was basically a dragon+ level threat after eating the Silmaril. Just a whirlwind of burning death that scared everything out of Anflauglith and busted straight through the girdle (something Sauron couldnt do). Dude was just short of Ancalagon in how insane a rampaging power he was
i like how it's told like a history lecture not like a fairytale but like history like it happened
Could you please make a video on the vampires of Sauron too?
When I hear the word werewolf my mind goes to lycans. Tolkien's version is just as interesting, no surprise there. Wish we could've seen them portrayed in the movies.
1:49 Well drawn but really shows how vile Draugluin is.
I love how Tolkien loves dogs so much that even Sauron cant kill huon I hope he gets many treats and bones to eat 😊
Can you please do a video about Haldir?
i love this channel. its accurate.
Interesting Episode ❤
Golden work on this topic and the story! I feel like the Lord of the Rings Books don't contain as much lore as the other Tolkien's work.
Of course not. There was too much lore to be included in the trilogy of books. It would not have fitted in with the narrative.
Can we get a video of prince Aldarion and Erendis soon please?
Play more Magic with Don, please! Try the Commander decks. Great job!
Sauron's title of Lord of the Werewolves seems to have originated when he, like them, belonged to the felinetrovert family and was known by the name Tevildo (as noted in Tolkien's earlier drafts). Werewolves may be derived from the wolf type (a sub-creation of Yavanna) among the instinct-driven kelvar. It is possible that Sauron gave these wolves a humanoid form by bodily transformation, and evil spirits may have incarnated into these transformed bodies. They differ from the Wargs in their physical and spiritual aspects. Wargs are malevolent creatures that have been transformed from wolves (but not given a humanoid form like werewolves) and have no will (without a soul).
Now this is the story I want to see in a movie 🎥
Have you done a video yet going over what would have happened if the fellowship of the ring hadn't broken up and they all went with Frodo to Mordor? Or if at least Aragorn, Gimli, and Sam went with Frodo, like Aragorn had suggested?
Good one.
I always assumed that werewolves mentioned in the Silmarillion were just a placeholder name for large wolf-like beings and Tolkien later changed his mind and decided to call them wargs, accidentally missing a few references to the original name, however that line from Gandalf where he mentions both in the same sentence does give me pause.
Sauron is so bad ass and lost because gollum and frodo were fighting for the ring and gollum falls into the fire
People wonder why Mount Doom wasn't guarded, but that's because no one could have the strength to willingly put the Ring into the fires of Mount Doom. Even Frodo, who was incredibly resistant to the Ring, couldn't do it intentionally. Also, the pity of Bilbo saved Middle Earth.
@@Paulafan5 Mordor was very heavily guarded. Getting into it and to Mount Doom required exceptional skill and the distraction by the Army of the West. Beyond that, yes Sauron saw no need to guard the entrance to Mount Doom; it wouldn't even have occurred to him.
It's more than that. Gollum swore an oath to help Frodo and later betrayed that oath. Oath-breaking in Middle-Earth always has seriously bad consequences. In this case, after finally getting the One Ring back, Gollum slipped and fell into the volcano.
Thanks!
Thank you!
We need a huon the Hound video. The best doggo of middle earth
I hope the War of the Rohirrim movie succeeds and that it inspires more independent story line movie adaptions for LOTR with one of them being on the story of Beren & Luthien.
Would love to see some of the following things take place on TV show or a movie:
1) Beren's revenge hunt on the orc captain who took his father's hand/ring
2) The Battle of Songs between Finrod and Sauron
3) Huan the Hound fighting and defeating Dragulin and Sauron
4) How Luthien enchants the entire chamber of Morgoth to sleep
5) The Company's hunt for Caracaroth and Huan's final words with Beren
Honorable mention to another movie finding a way to put the Fall of Gondolin on the big screen too!
Maybe I missed it, but does Huan have his own video?
If not, he totally deserves one!!!
Actual question here: we've established Wargs, Werewolves, and "wolves", which appear to be unlike actual, real life wolves. I ask: are there actual, normal wolves in Tolkien's world, separate from the brutish, terrifying wolves and wargs we see in Middle Earth? In the Fellowship of the Ring film, we see a black dog barking at one of the black riders when it's looking for Baggins. Is that dog domesticated from plain wolves like in real life, or from one of those "wolves" of middle earth? I don't like to think that all wolves in Middle Earth are evil since real wolves are kind, brave, respectable animals, the sort of traits that Tolkien attributes to horses and other animals in the books.
the thing is that wolves fit more with the evil stereotype than the good one. Only duality in which wolves can mix well with the good forces are usually in order vs chaos themes,but in most cases having fangs and being balck/grey makes them a better fit for evil.
Middle-Earth as depicted is heavily colored by Britain as it existed in the 18-1900s. In official records the last wolf on the island was killed in 1680... so the presentation of wolves would naturally tend toward the metaphorical.
There aren't any cats at all either way after the initial roots of the Beren and Luthien story...
We need a video on Huan!
Question: How did Stone Giants came into existence on Tolkien's middle earth? What role did they play in the saga?
There are giants in Hobbit and there are small hints to giants in the Lay of Leithian and Unfinished Tales as well. The point is, there is no stone giant in Tolkien. That is an addaptation
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 huh. i am sure "Stone Giants" were mentioned in The Hobbit.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 yep. Just looked it up. "Bilbo ... saw that across the valley the stone-giants were out"
@@glenbe4026 They were not “stone giants”. They were giants throwing stones to each other. They are basically over sized humanoids
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 as my quote above shows, the text from 'The Hobbit' by JRR Tolkein, literally calls them "Stone Giants". If Tolkein much latter retcons this, i do not know BUT that does not negate that the text in 'The Hobbit' names them as such.
Werewolves attacked the ring bearer and it was their presence why the company had no choice but to go through Moria
And the story of Werewolves is incomplete without this episode
I’m pretty sure those were just wargs or big wolves
The Fellowship had already decided to take the path through Moria when they realized they couldn't get through the path at Caradhras.
Draugluin is amazing werewolves father and carcaroth
Yo found ur channel lil while ago. Hooked on it. Love ur reading style. But i just had an idea, if the ai tech is good enough, you could let actual gandalf speak his lines.
Can you make a video on vampires and Thuringwethil?
Can you make a video about Turin Turambar
Werewolves r so cool in lotr probably one of my favorite creatures next to the eagles
Hey nerd of the rings, the music in the intro keeps getting me, is it from WoW?
It was an amazing adventure for the couple and their furry companion.
What is your impression of the battle for middle earth games. Especially rise of the witch king where there is a werewolf ability you summon?
Sauron could have beaten the great hound but he had to go against that other female elf that was helping the hound in the fight against Sauron.
what is the name of the music in the background in the end of this video when patreon supporters names are announced.
I'm sorry if this is off topic, but there's sometimes reference to the "unseen world" when speaking of the nazgul. Is the unseen world something that's ever expanded on or is it just a general idea of the spirit plane or something?
Whoaaaa I can’t believe I’ve never thought about this, Aragorn and Arwen could be spiritual reincarnations of Beren and Luthien, as he hints at 11:10. Their stories are waaay too similar to be a coincidence
There's no such reincarnation in Tolkien's Legendarium. Upon death, Men briefly go to the Halls of Mandos and then go beyond the Circles of the World, never to return. Elves spend a much longer time in the Halls of Mandos and are eventually re-embodies as the same Elf they were before.
@@istari0 what if Mandos deemed Beren to be worthy of returning to middle earth? Maybe he sensed Beren would be needed or his deeds were not quite done. And for Arwen, she is literally a striking resemblance of Luthien, they’re pretty much the same person
@@johnjohnson7259 The Gift of Men, that after death they travel beyond the Circles of the World, comes from Eru Ilúvatar and only he could ultimately allow Beren to be resurrected. He then lived a second mortal life, died, and passed beyond the Circles of the World. Lúthien Tinúviel was given the choice of remaining an immortal being and living in Valinor or returning to Middle-Earth and living a mortal life with Beren. She chose the 2nd option and so also died and passed beyond the Circles of the World. Arwen was Lúthien's great-great-granddaughter so the family resemblance is not unusual.
I sometimes love to re-watch Story of Morgoth and Numenor story
Have recently been listening to a Silmarillion audiobook, thought I had it playing by mistake. “I’ve already heard this part…..🧐 Oh😅”
I have a question I hope you can answer and told us. what happen if elves help thorin to enter erebor?