The Complete History of Breakcore [1990-2022]

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  • Chapters:
    0:00 - Intro
    0:49 - Chapter 1: Origins of Rave
    7:22 - Chapter 2: Jungle/Drum and Bass
    18:34 - Chapter 3: Hardcore Techno
    23:42 - Chapter 4: Digital Hardcore and Oldskool Breakcore
    30:03 - Chapter 5: IDM and Drill n Bass
    37:31 - Chapter 6: Breakcore subgenres of the 2000s
    47:50 - Chapter 7: Breakcore subgenres of the 2010s
    53:43 - Chapter 8: What is breakcore?
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ความคิดเห็น • 388

  • @mad_man310
    @mad_man310 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    this is probably the best breakcore video essay, it mentions a lot of things that many people often completely ignore

  • @metarotta
    @metarotta ปีที่แล้ว +124

    this video is crazy in depth and well researched

    • @ZombieflesheaterZFE
      @ZombieflesheaterZFE ปีที่แล้ว

      beside that it isn't.

    • @zaza77111
      @zaza77111 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ZombieflesheaterZFE wait wdym??

    • @ZombieflesheaterZFE
      @ZombieflesheaterZFE ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@zaza77111 i said somewhere else earlier and i quote myself "Another thing that is striking when skim reading the comments under the [this here] video on youtube is that many if not most of the commenting people enthusiastically thank the uploader for the video, praising the depth of the information and that they learned so much from it, etc. if as everything said in that clip are hard facts and complete (what ever that means) without even slighty questioning the validity of the information .... I did not whatch the complete thing and i do not say what sad is wrong but very big part is missing in it some things have little to do wiith the subject a few things are pure phantasy of the uploader to fill gaps etc pp
      at least the word complete should not be used in the title ;)

    • @metarotta
      @metarotta ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@ZombieflesheaterZFE alright, what parts specifically would you call pure fantasy from the uploader to fill gaps?

    • @atetraxx
      @atetraxx ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@ZombieflesheaterZFE haha hey "ZFE" of course its not going to have everything, but it absolutely hit the major parts of the history of breakcore. I've been a part of the breakcore scene since the beginning. It was a great video. You're being a bit of an annoying nerd here. This is by far the best and most complete history of breakcore on the internet. If you disagree you must show proof otherwise. Or actually give some real data on your thoughts. You've said absolutley nothing, just that you dont think its complete and some things are made up, yet you didnt even watch the whole thing.

  • @TheFirstSeed
    @TheFirstSeed ปีที่แล้ว +68

    D-TRASH, HYMEN, PEACE-OFF, and PRAXIS records all deserve mention for carrying the breakcore torch

    • @blizzrdy
      @blizzrdy ปีที่แล้ว +7

      especially peace off, that label was how i found a load of stuff

    • @duckiman4958
      @duckiman4958 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How about Cock Rock Disco?

    • @TheFirstSeed
      @TheFirstSeed ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@duckiman4958 YESSSSS so many benchmark genre defining releases from them!!!

    • @duckiman4958
      @duckiman4958 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That Terminal 11 guy is CRACKED

    • @audiojihad222
      @audiojihad222 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Man, Cpuwar is so underrated
      Dramacore also have a lot of good stuff

  • @tylerramos7633
    @tylerramos7633 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    What people consider break core today honestly sounds way more like drum and bass than what real break core sounded like 20 years ago.

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Tru

    • @toiletP
      @toiletP ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought it was just me. I reallt dont like the drum and bass style

    • @circlesquarer
      @circlesquarer ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@toiletPi love dnb but the “breakcore” of today is some weird modern spin that’s just way too strange

    • @user-vp6cq4sv3d
      @user-vp6cq4sv3d ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@circlesquarerYeah. Lolicore. Barbarians at the gates. In this case it's trans spergs.

    • @circlesquarer
      @circlesquarer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-vp6cq4sv3d Trans spergs?

  • @cementtea
    @cementtea ปีที่แล้ว +69

    honestly when i saw the title i was afraid of watching this, but, since i found it on facebook because a friend shared (instead of a random youtube reccomendation), i decided to give a look and wow, actually a great video explaining breakcore! and i quite like that you also represented the late 00s and early 2010s stuff like renard, reizoko of that era, somehow people tend to overlook it, probably because is fairly recent, also nice that you mentioned nasenbluten and cytheouts too, very early stuff
    however, some points i want to add to this video:
    - i wish there was a little more mention to rhythmic noise and such, often labels like ant-zen, ad noiseam, etc released lots of breakcore and there was also some stuff inbetween breakcore and idm that was more rhythmic noise, it was kinda short lived, but would be cool to mention it! few older guys i talk to got into either industrial hardcore or breakcore because of those labels
    - about depressive breakcore, it actually doesnt date back to goreshit's more depressive releases, but, the "post-lolicore" artists, it was everywhere in the early 2010s (at least for me) and was pretty much what made the asthetics and the type of sound of the trendy depressive breakcore that is so popular nowadays
    it came mostly from artists such as waqs, maedasalt, yeongrak, nekophiliac, riajuu, nyojikko etc. those artists made lolicore but started doing it on a more serious or experimental tone, often with either more cute themes (shako pani, vixenvy, riajuu) sampling slice of life anime osts, depressive themes (waqs, waiting to die, etc) or just extremely experimental stuff (yeongrak, nekophiliac)
    what pioneered this type of music in the early 2010s was the early Tsundere Violence releases and another label called The Worst that focused mostly in this "post lolicore" sound, along with a few less known ones like Mecha Yuri.
    i dont blame you for looking past it, im not sure if those newer popular guys actually even know those artists, its somehow extremely forgotten nowadays, super niche stuff, it was topping some of bandcamp genre tags in the early 2010s, but now, The Worst is a dead label with barely any support compared to back then, and most of those artists either retired or changed their names multiple times to the point is barely traceable they even exist, but they were the first ever to have this depressive breakcore asthetic, specially with this anime asthetic
    also, a little fun fact, i talk to some older artists that were active in the very early 00s or late 90s era, some dont make breakcore but make other genres, and, a lot mislabel things as breakcore, or as digital hardcore, funnily enough, this mistagging is oooold, i remember in the early 2010s Skrillex being tagged breakcore (dubstep artist), Current Value being tagged breakcore (dnb artist) and so on, is nothing new, it just feels more obnoxious now due to how loud people are nowadays, but if you look back, things didnt really change that much to be completely honest.
    another genres that are often mistagged are "gabba" and "noise", specially with boomers, they always mistag those as well, specially if theyre from other scenes (house, techno, trance etc).
    thank you a lot for the video though! watched it a couple of times, good stuff, hope this blows up :)
    edit: typo fix

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah thanks, admittedly the 2010s section might be the weakest one as I didn't grow up with that stuff and a lot of people who did are leaving helpful comments on that era.

    • @cementtea
      @cementtea ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ForestWhitakerTulpa hey means is a good opportunity for a follow up video perhaps! need mention of peace off, ant-zen/hymen, praxis, ad noiseam and some others.

    • @ConvincingPeople
      @ConvincingPeople ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seconding that Ant-Zen, Hymen, Tsundere Violence and The Worst are all really important to different aspects of this story, with Ant-Zen's promotion of what I can only call "sound design porn" experimental releases (I say this with love!) feeling especially relevant to more flashcore-adjacent contemporary material and Tsundere Violence really embodying the whole shitposter noise/breakcore crossover phenomenon while nonetheless coming at it with a slightly more artful (if still depraved) edge.

    • @cementtea
      @cementtea ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ConvincingPeople indeed! not to mention Hands Productions and Mille Plateaux, both equally important labels! and on the more netlabel side, there was also Glitch City, SKRD, Proc-records... miss those days!

    • @emnyolc
      @emnyolc ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember there was a "shoegaze breakcore" track released on one of The Worst complitations that just really blew my mind at the time.

  • @anesssssssssssssssssssssssssss
    @anesssssssssssssssssssssssssss ปีที่แล้ว +11

    this is THE video that clearly and historically explains everything, bumping this hard so the algorithm at least puts you on people's feed

  • @Trenhc
    @Trenhc ปีที่แล้ว +38

    alec empire's live set with merzbow absolutely kicks ass, would 100% recommend

    • @josh-zmidi-banana926
      @josh-zmidi-banana926 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did not know of this thanks ill have to spin that.

  • @atetraxx
    @atetraxx ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wtf. I thought I knew a lot about break music but you just took it to a whole new level. Respect

  • @spoopyskeleton2010
    @spoopyskeleton2010 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This video was honestly legit super helpful for understanding why people get so “on edge” when someone mislabeles music like this.
    Also just helps understanding it all lol
    Thank you sm for this ^^

  • @punkser
    @punkser ปีที่แล้ว +19

    i love alec empire and the whole digital hardcore scene so much !!! so glad a video brings it up at all and shares my disbelief that alec empire was making the music he did so early

    • @isellcrack3537
      @isellcrack3537 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nic Endo > Alec Empire

    • @punkser
      @punkser ปีที่แล้ว +2

      carl crack > nic endo > alec empire

  • @karolus28
    @karolus28 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    fr this is such a good documentary, the subtitles help a lot thx for that, i have to go to sleep but cant stop watching

    • @karolus28
      @karolus28 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Had 5 hours of sleep, but worth it

  • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
    @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I added captions in case my voice is hard to make out!

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Invite seems to not work for some people? Try this one.
      discord.gg/J4YKFhR

    • @GreenTeaTheTea
      @GreenTeaTheTea ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ForestWhitakerTulpa hard to make out but easy to make out with :)

    • @PIZZAdayisback
      @PIZZAdayisback หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're kinda in the middle in terms of understandability and the images give enough context

  • @GAYWEEDDAD420
    @GAYWEEDDAD420 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video deserves way more attention. You're really knowledgeable!! Thank you for this amazing video, I became a fan of breakcore in the 2010s after hearing venetian snares and I love learning more about the genre!

  • @ghostieishere
    @ghostieishere ปีที่แล้ว +5

    wow finally someone who actually knows what breakcore is SUCH A RELIEF.

  • @temma1612
    @temma1612 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    pretty great video, i especially appreciate the callout of glitchbreak. since such an influential music platform is pushing that name to encompass so many different genres of music i feel it is going to obscure much of the history behind them. its really harmful and you'd think someone in charge of researching and labeling music for the biggest music platform ever would actually... yknow... research the genres.

    • @nyuin4384
      @nyuin4384 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TEMMA I LOVE YOU

    • @cementtea
      @cementtea ปีที่แล้ว +4

      since i got into this stuff in the early 2010s, mistagging stuff is actually extremely common, last fm back then had skrillex tagged as breakcore and dnb artists tagged as such, just breakcore being breakcore lol

    • @schoolbook_depository222
      @schoolbook_depository222 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      temma cosigned? might have to watch

  • @ElectronicMusicChan
    @ElectronicMusicChan หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quite a nice history lesson. Would recommend also the documentary "notes on breakcore", which shows how much of a loose definition breakcore really was back then, showing a lot of different styles from end of 90s to mid 00s. Also with a lot of interviews with artists.

  • @rowancheyne5541
    @rowancheyne5541 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome video. Did not know much about breakcore myself and really enjoyed how in-depth you went with every genre connection. Great stuff!

  • @mirrormage.
    @mirrormage. หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    awesome job covering history of breakcore! and ty for putting my friends music playing in the bg (waiting to die is my friend)! ;)

  • @FrAM3._beats
    @FrAM3._beats 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the documentary 🙏🏽. I didn't know any of this until now.

  • @numa.records
    @numa.records 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This video has incredible quality and effort! Thank you for describing so well the history of the genre that many of us do and listen to! 🥸

  • @geodood406
    @geodood406 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    for 20 dollars per video i will read out the script so that people don't click off of the video immediately

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This video is lispy furry breakcore boyfriend ASMR it comes with the package

  • @daytonglitch
    @daytonglitch ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Phenomenal work man, I hope you do more projects like this

  • @JP-dv7rf
    @JP-dv7rf 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Speaking as a guy who has followed these genres from the beginning I have to say that this is incredibly well researched and very accurate. Also, I was not expecting to see W.T. Snacks snacks in this.

  • @un.eternally
    @un.eternally ปีที่แล้ว +14

    [Very long comment warning]
    Responding to the last part of the video about the new generation of breakcore fans since i'd consider myself one of them (yet still lacking in knowledge about the genre itself, thanks for the video). Honestly i feel like nowadays people use the term "breakcore" more as a mainstream umbrella term for anything with drum breaks or complex drums on it (hence why stuff by people like Machine Girl, Aphex Twin, and then artists in genres of HexD, hyperpop or adjacent to it (e.g. CubeNatural and METAROOM) and generally atmospheric DnB artists or jungle (hell even Photek, LTJ Bukem, Intense, Voyager and Source Direct) just get lumped in together. A lot of artists also use the term "breakcore" following how people describe it simply as means to follow the trend (which we can kinda blame on Sewerslvt. Current artists (that i like) that do this include BLKSMITH, TOKYOPILL and such (i'd say TOKYOPILL has 1 or 2 tracks that are breakcore enough but the rest isnt fit to the breakcore criteria).
    I think this misuse kinda became worse from people having nostalgia of PS1/PS2/Xbox era games from their childhood having jungle and DnB influence in the music (e.g. Ridge Racer, Jet Set Radio, Gran Turismo, wipEout (though WO is mostly more on the techno stuff)) and they need a term for it, without knowing what it's called, then they see music by people like sewerslvt and BLKSMITH and thought "THIS is the kind of sound i'm looking for!" and being pointed to just listen to stuff with the term "breakcore" by fans of those artists, and such "breakcore" also kinda became a term to easily "sell" the music, if it has breakcore on the title, they will click, despite not being an entirely correct description of the music.
    It's kind of similar with dubstep in 2010s really, with many many subgenres and different styles just thrown together under the umbrella term "dubstep", while the mainstream face of the genre is very different to the "real" dubstep (Skrillex, being considered brostep, as you mentioned in the video) or a more recent example being phonk mostly represented with just "drift phonk". Or maybe even vaporwave, being used as an umbrella term for anything with 80s nostalgic feel to it, despite the obvious difference in philosophy between vaporwave and stuff like chillwave, synthwave and such (and vaporwave sub/microgenres also get veery confusing, especially the ambient-infused parts of it). Then, on another genre we see stuff like punk rock being represented with pop punk (and the adjacent genre, emo) during 2000s, which of course upset many fans of punk rock who are into the older stuff of 70s and 80s. Another comparison would be post-punk (which compared to how most people use breakcore nowadays, is an even wider umbrella term). Most post-punk releases nowadays (e.g. Molchat Doma, Zagovor) draw from the "depressive" sound of bands like Joy Division and The Cure with drums closer to being dance beats and basslines being given more spotlight (esp reminiscent of earlier The Cure). This isn't much of a problem aside from the fact that post-punk (like breakcore is, to an extent) is not a very descriptive genre name and the timelines get confusing. Bands like Talking Heads, Television, Echo and the Bunnymen, Gary Numan and Tubeway Army, and Sisters of Mercy all just get thrown together despite having distinct sounds.
    My point being, misuse of genre names has always been a thing and most of the time we can't really do anything about it, since these genres aren't as clear to differentiate between say, metal and pop (metal in itself also has a huge trouble with subgenres and such). However on the bright side, i believe if anything having these umbrella terms end up introducing more people to the music we otherwise wouldn't have discovered. I doubt there would be as much younger people finding out about stuff by Venetian Snares, Atari Teenage Riot, Aphex Twin, Intense, Plug, etc if it weren't for sewerslvt, whether we like it or not. Aphex Twin in particular having a resurgence in popularity around and after sewerslvt became viral, with tracks like Flim and Alberto Balsalm, plus some of the ambient tracks being used in memes. I suppose this is similar as to how Renard, Reizoko Cj, goreshit might have exposed the genre to you and other people of your age despite not being an entirely "true" representation of the genre itself.
    For music nowadays i generally think using genre terms in a strict manner to a casual listener (aka people who are not as interested to dive deep into it like you and me and others in this comment section) is kind of useless since the lines between one and two just get blurred easily with how many genres are being combined with one and another with thousands of releases being put out on a daily basis, and people just want a quick listen to something and a loose description of "the vibe" is good enough. However documenting the evolution of genres like this is a good way to preserve culture and history for those who are willing to dig deeper into the sound and i thank you for making this.
    Despite all this i think we all can agree on one thing though, fuck spotify.
    tl;dr : Genre confusion is inevitable, but on the bright side the misuse of the term actually still give more exposure of the music in the genre and those adjacent to it to the average people, like it or not
    Additional side note : I also find it funny there are people who go say stuff like "this is TRUE breakcore!" on playlists/uploads of songs that are in itself not entirely breakcore, i have seen this on reuploads of Venetian Snares - Hajnal or playlists containing like just 1 track by Aphex Twin and the rest is just old school inspired slightly high tempo jungle.

  • @wojtekluczynski
    @wojtekluczynski 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    great video. probably the best breakcore docu available so far. good job!

  • @danielcolman19
    @danielcolman19 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is such a great documentary! I learned so much and it answered all the questions I had abt this topic so I’ll probably keep coming back to this video :)

  • @user-dh8et1go7i
    @user-dh8et1go7i ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Incredible video. Honest to God probably the best youtube vid on not just breakcore, but breaks and hardcore-based edm in general, amazing job.

  • @ApparentlyShane
    @ApparentlyShane 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is *THE* best video about breakcore on this platform, and honestly It's nice to finally see someone properly explain everything (and calling out all the dumb and gross shit).

  • @GodRookie
    @GodRookie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been waiting for so long for someone to make this video, thank you

  • @Karaon
    @Karaon 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing quality of work and in depth history. Thank you for this video man

  • @leandroalmendras
    @leandroalmendras 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Such an underrated video! Amazing work man👏

  • @noveo5355
    @noveo5355 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This doc is really helpful with production. If you need ideas, you def could break it up and elaborate more per genre and musical period per episode. Love this! keep up up love!

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I remember watching "breakcore tutorials" and its all like "just cut up the breaks in a way that feels right", I had to personally chop and label each element of the think and amen and recreate some popular drum patterns myself for it to click and some of that came through in that section of chapter 2. Better tutorial than most on youtube lol.

  • @polkadot5593
    @polkadot5593 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great video, i really enjoyed it. i've been wishing for a video like this for a while, so thanks for making it c:

  • @bananopeel
    @bananopeel ปีที่แล้ว +47

    tbh, i think breakcore can be mixed with any genre, i mean you can literally mix breakcore with classical, jazz, noise, ambient(?), metal, gabber, and any other genre, as long as it has chopped up breaks yknow

    • @cemetarypolka
      @cemetarypolka ปีที่แล้ว

      yea kinda

    • @wattihrvoltwatwat3503
      @wattihrvoltwatwat3503 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      at least igorrr can

    • @LucianSamosata
      @LucianSamosata ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@wattihrvoltwatwat3503 igorrr the goats tbf

    • @user-vp6cq4sv3d
      @user-vp6cq4sv3d ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any genre can be mixed with any genre. It's a moot point.

    • @kelechi_77
      @kelechi_77 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-vp6cq4sv3d it just wouldn't sound as good as when you do it with breakcore, with breakcore it becomes seamless because of the breaks, if you mix norwegian black metal with polka its just going to sound weird and unpleasant

  • @Harzurner
    @Harzurner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a video! Thank you! Think is the greatest break of all time!

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I believe in think break supremacy

    • @Harzurner
      @Harzurner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ForestWhitakerTulpa The master break! HerrensBreaken 🫡

  • @jordanmeyer5835
    @jordanmeyer5835 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very good documentary. Very well explained and entertaining! Love the work you put into this, great work!

  • @yuxanne.
    @yuxanne. ปีที่แล้ว +10

    current breakcore is pretty much only highly syncopated breaks and like zero hardcore and gabber influence, still tho, its still identifiable as breakcore in the broader sense

  • @pretty_violence
    @pretty_violence 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for this. I love it

  • @xaoccore
    @xaoccore ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Hey cool video! I noticed one of my "mixes" got featured in a meme earlier on the darkside and I wanna kind of apologise for it lmao. That video was from when I first got interested in the genre, and served as a sort of diary as I explored the genre more and more... As time went on and learnt more things and I kind of regret making it. I now make my own music and later on developed and improved the mixes. If you check out my later mixes they have improved a lot and are a more accurate representation of the genre (imo).
    Point being is good job on making a video like this, I think it's kind of important to anyone who wants to start researching the genre more and getting into it. As I did. Great work

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yo man, I just used that meme for a funny visual in the beginning, no ill will meant by it. I hope it doesn't come across as too negative towards people who might not understand the genre as much cause it is legitimately hard to figure out, and I'm glad your video helped bring people to the music and all, I just wanted to get real down and dirty about definitions for history and fun and not to insult anyone who disagrees as I totally understand why people feel differently about said definitions in the comments. Keep it up dude it's all good 👍

    • @xaoccore
      @xaoccore ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ForestWhitakerTulpa don’t worry! It didn’t come across as negative cause tbf it is funny LOL. But I completely get your intentions, it’s good there’s a video like this ^^ 🫂♥️

  • @danielprieto9977
    @danielprieto9977 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this video, it's too good to be free

  • @SystemST91
    @SystemST91 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you so much that this video exists!!! It always puts a smile on my face when I watch the evolution of these genres.
    Especially the period 1992-1994... Breakbeat Hardcore & Jungle. OMG, thank you so much for making this exist!😊✨❤
    And thank you for revealing the "Nerdcore Techno" genre. It came alive again for me by browsing through early J-Core music.

  • @chatjambon8917
    @chatjambon8917 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content. Thanks my dude ❤

  • @dns5280
    @dns5280 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well researched, quality documentary.

  • @cursebreaker666
    @cursebreaker666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is absolutely incredible. thank you so much for putting this together! ps. red hot car is one of my top fav songs ever!

  • @Pentegarb
    @Pentegarb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is def one of the best videos on this site

  • @rakshal132
    @rakshal132 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The first half of this video is extremely well researched, but the last half has some a few flaws I find a bit egregious.
    Xanopticon is glitchcore (yes it is a real genre, not just some zoomer "aesthetic"), not flashcore. Flashcore is way more speedcore inspired and way more trippy with its atmosphere with an almost psytrance like kick at speedcore/extratone BPM sometimes changing BPM thoughout the song. Glitchcore on the other hand is more glitch music with breakcore and drill and bass inspired rhythm. Other glitchcore would be like 'Songs About My Cats" by 'Venetian Snares' or a lot of 'Terminal 11''s discography.
    'nhk!?' by 'goreshit' is honestly harsher than average liquid DnB and not lolicore, it just happens to be on a majority lolicore album.
    I'm not sure if there are any earlier examples but depressive breakcore started more with 'Waqs'/'DJ Sailor Moon' than 'waiting to die' (another misconception, this is not one of 'Waqs'' many alias) with the album 'Wruth' released in 2012 which is a majority IDM album but has one depressive breakcore track on there 'Readth'. I would also say it is way more related to the lolicore scene than classical breakcore with its way harsher breakbeat production and otaku inspired aesthetics. Though the breaks are pretty heavily looped in that track and again I'm not 100% certain of any earlier examples.
    Metal breakcore doesn't really exist as far as I'm concerned, at least not with the examples you provided. 'Grist' is more of a mix of industrial metal and cybergrind with breakbeats rather than drum machines, it is certainly breakcore inspired but I wouldn't dedicate a whole new subgenre to it. 'Igorrr''s older stuff from 2006 to 2008 has a lot of that classical breakcore sound, but also a lot of IDM and metal influence. His stuff from 2010 to 2014 is I would say is more avant-garde metal with breakcore influences, again not really enough to dedicate a whole subgenre I feel. Both artists now have basically no breakcore influences anymore, with 'drumcorps' being more industrial metal, cybergrind, and occasionally digital hardcore with actually some glitch music influences (I really like this direction for him even though I love 'Grist') where as Igorrr is entirely avant-garde metal now (on the other hand I really dislike this direction he has taken).
    More of a hot take, but lolicore is the closest to old school breakcore of any of the other scenes with its heavy power noise influences and insane breakbeat production. I guess people tend to forget but a lot old school breakcore was basically just as shitpost-y as lolicore is.
    I agree with the sentiment at the end of the video, mislabeling genres makes it way harder to discover what you like. I discovered this when I got into darkstep in my teens and searching without specific artists in mind would basically only bring up brostep, or searching for glitch music basically only brings up EDM.

    • @PeKaNo
      @PeKaNo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      cool comment!
      for "metal breakcore", I agree it's not a very precise qualification, and even though it can be used as an umbrella term for anything mixing breakcore and metal, I'd argue it's not codified enough to be called a (sub)genre
      On the other hand there's Blackened Breakcore, a very very small niche that I find a little more consistent, with artists like Thanatlogoth
      there's also amenpunk, although the precise definition varies a lot, that is often breakcore bootlegs of sped-up rock/punk/pop songs with minimal editing

    • @ambatuBUHSURK
      @ambatuBUHSURK 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      that is indeed hot garb take. lolicore sounds nothing like old breakcore. The only example is probably some songs from Aaron's so called life album but it has very little similarity to modern lolicore.

  • @vajas.kenyer.
    @vajas.kenyer. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank You for Teaching 🧙‍♂️

  • @felip_eexd
    @felip_eexd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    a playlist would be nice, starting with oldies to the new age stuff towards the end of it. Great video btw

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  ปีที่แล้ว

      Check the description I made a youtube playlist of every song used in the video in order.

  • @Brandonvilches0721
    @Brandonvilches0721 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    the best breakcore history video yet

  • @at0mly
    @at0mly หลายเดือนก่อน

    ooh, excited to watch this!

  • @naokibeats420
    @naokibeats420 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I wish EVERY tiktok breakcore producer watched this video and realize what they re doing just isn t breakcore. And I ain t hating, cuz I really like their music tbh, it s just that it just ain t breakcore. These kids are bringing back the 90's intelligent dnb sound and Im all here for it, but calling every drum-breaks based music breakcore is just dumb... at first I thoutht that the OG's of breakcore hating on the new gen were kinda stupid and boomers, but now I kinda understand their reaction. Music evolves ofc, but one s gotta know it s history to be pertinent imo. Anyways, this is by far the best video I ve seen on this subject, and I ve watched alot of em ! Really great job ! Congrats fr ! 🔥🙌

    • @naokibeats420
      @naokibeats420 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      also, thx for mentionning liminal spaces, one of the very best breakcore albums ever imo, even though you say flashcore isn t breakcore XD

  • @tzime
    @tzime ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thank you for this thorough video awesome work 👍👍

  • @s0nikh0l0sis6
    @s0nikh0l0sis6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much, this is a topic I'm very much interested in and you've provided me with some really lovely brain sparkles

  • @ashejohnson816
    @ashejohnson816 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dude I've been trying to get into breakcore
    I'm so glad I subscribed to that unown meme from like last decade

  • @kezyne
    @kezyne 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you're a genius. thank you for making this video, this stuff is all so interesting to me and you've made a great documentary delineating the change and fusion of these genres over time + featuring so many jumping off points into so many different microgenres. i feel like im gonna have to come back to this video over and over again

  • @mileidyclass
    @mileidyclass 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you so much for making this video! As a huge fan of electronic music since childhood (starting out mainly with trance music through my dad), who despite that never really quite knew how to make the distinctions between genres (the only thing that mattered to me was "I really like this music! It sounds good to my ears, or interesting"), this video did a great job at educating me on the differences, as well as teaching me the history of these wonderful genres (admittedly, I kinda got distracted by all the cool sounding music in the background while you were explaining the genres lol).
    One day, I want to make my own electronic music, including breakcore, drum n bass, etc., so this video is very important to me so I know what I'm doing.
    Admittedly, I was one of the people who thought Machine Girl was a breakcore artist, and now I'm starting to see that that may be a little bit misleading, but maybe not Idk. I still believe I am a breakcore fan, as I still enjoy crazy, fast-paced music as much as I love groovy, more mellow music, and chill, ambient music, but this video made me realized that it'd be accurate to call myself a hardcore breaks fan as well.
    Again, I can't thank you enough for this video! I likely will be referring back to it to remind myself of all the different genres, or point people to it so that they can learn the differences themselves too.

  • @merchantman5635
    @merchantman5635 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    cant wait until i see this clipped with no context on some WACKY sites!

  • @d3drummerboy
    @d3drummerboy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12:33 Oh yeah i remember Moving shadow i grew up on that it got me into jungle db and breakcore subgenres

  • @MagnitudePerson
    @MagnitudePerson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Drill'n'Bass = Ambient Drum'n'bass + IDM
    Breakcore = Hardcore gabber Jungle + IDM
    IDM just means the music is twisted or fucked up. its kinda like the term Industrial.

  • @snugglybun
    @snugglybun ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i already knew some of the stuff told here.. while other stuff is really new for me. for example i didn't knew that people were using anime art in what would become breakcore as early as 1994/5. Also thank you for introducing me to stuff like Sounds From The City Of Quartz, that album is a masterpiece and i wish that I have heard it a lot sooner and that more people knew of it.

  • @dracodrago
    @dracodrago ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Dude I hear Tom and Jerry in the intro and there's Nasenbluten, Christoph de Babalon, and Syndicate on the cover -- you know your underground

  • @RoCkNr0llsta
    @RoCkNr0llsta หลายเดือนก่อน

    great history video!

  • @emnyolc
    @emnyolc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was hesitant to click on the video since the title makes a huge claim, but I must say it's an extremely well researched and meticulously put together documentary. Since you've mentioned dariacore and other sub-subgenres for the sake of completeness: there's also footcore, which is a mixture of classic footwork/jersey club kick patterns and heavily edited breaks at pretty high tempos, many tracks even have loli vocals and anime music sampled.

  • @joman66
    @joman66 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a very enjoyable watch. I have little knowledge on Breakcore but the video seems well made!

  • @sozio23
    @sozio23 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As an Oldschool Breakcore Guy I can honestly say this is a very good and accurate documentation!
    And yes Oldschool Breakcore was aware on Drill and Bass (I don‘t know the other way around).

    • @ZombieflesheaterZFE
      @ZombieflesheaterZFE ปีที่แล้ว

      is that sarcasm?

    • @sozio23
      @sozio23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ZombieflesheaterZFE No.
      I saw you other comments on this vid - your problem is that it‘s not complete. Well - if someone would create that, it would maybe goes hours and still someone is complaining that something is missing. Or is your problem that you were not mentioned? ;-)

    • @ZombieflesheaterZFE
      @ZombieflesheaterZFE ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sozio23 haha no that is surely not my problem. but the incompleteness creates inaccurateness that can't or should'nt be overseen. i can go on about all this way longer than a comment under a youtube video allows. so maybe one day haha....

  • @3.0TMKreaZ
    @3.0TMKreaZ 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was extremely informative. I think i like mashcore

  • @Slagnogler667
    @Slagnogler667 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lolicoe started as a way to troll 4chan users is the most breakcore shit I've ever heard🤘😈🤘🖕🦶

  • @loliphile2523
    @loliphile2523 ปีที่แล้ว

    the amount of detail you put into this is so above and beyond i look forward to future uploads if you make anything similar. i could listen to you talk about anything

  • @jonathanmikarui8931
    @jonathanmikarui8931 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude this video is fantastic and I'm only 1/6 of the way in. Deserves 100x more views

  • @habu1067
    @habu1067 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A very clear explanation! Thank you!

  • @strangecitizen
    @strangecitizen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is a gem!
    My electronic music tastes and experiences aren't as broad and rich as yours, so I get confused pretty often, so this video cleared up things a bit for me (even though I think I need to rewatch it once or twice haha)
    My electronic music pipeline looked like this:
    1) Ape Escape (I was kind of an "analogue music purist" when I was a child, with the maximalism of a young boy and all that. Ape Escape helped me to ease myself into electronic music. Because this game's soundtrack was really dope)
    2) Gorillaz (yeah, they aren't strictly electronic, but they use different genres pretty often, so when I listened to their "The Fall" album my purism was completely shattered by that point)
    3) Nero's Day at Disneyland/Lauren Bousfield (so yeah, with the purism shattered and all and by being impressed with heavy use of loads of effect by the Muse rock band, I searched for "glitchy music" on some forums and stubled upon this producer. And I was hooked. BTW, what genre is it exactly?)
    4)Igorrr (Being hooked on NDaD, I, predictably, searched for similar music. Metal and classic being mashed together with the succulent electronic sauce made me love Igorrr from the first... track)
    5)Venetian Snares (listening to two previous producers, I started hearing that I may be a fan of a genre called "breakcore". So I searched for who was the best in it. Yeah, I listen to his music almost daily for years now. Also I tried Aphex Twin somewhere here. He's great. But I like VSnares more)
    6)Goreshit, Rotator, Sickboy, Drumcorps, Ruby my Dear, etc (I kinda stopped exploring for almost a decade, because VSnares and others held my attention for that much. Then, I caved and finally made a Spotify account and instantly got recommended those guys. Right now I'm somewhere here)
    ?)Yeah, I also didn't escape da algorithm and got spammed with Sewerslvt a lot. It's... alright I guess? But yeah, it doesn't sounds like breakcore. And I get kinda upset when people mislabel Sewerslvt and others as such: like you said, it complicates finding music that I like. Every time that I search "breakcore" here on TH-cam, I majorly get dreamy, depressing and non-breakcore stuff with sad distorted anime girls all over it, which is kinda frustrating. Yeah.
    Again, thank you for your titanic work!

  • @DJPastaYaY
    @DJPastaYaY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow I didn't know a lot about breakcore before but this video definitely helped out :D

  • @mileidyclass
    @mileidyclass 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also, I found out about _another_ micro-subgenre of breakcore. It's called "orbcore". It is defined on Urban Dictionary, by the user Lxchee, as, "an underground genre of music taking elements from Drum & Bass, Breakcore, Jungle, Industrial and Garage. This genre was pioneered by artists like Bye2, SeyNoe and LHK". It seems to be much more recent, likely having appeared some time in 2023.
    I found out about this genre by looking at the tags under the Bandcamp upload of psychoangel's album (or demo, as it's called a demo in the title), "psychosis:angelic [DEMO]". Psychoangel is one of the hardcore breaks artists I enjoy, alongside Machine Girl.
    Speaking of newer artists, femtanyl is an up and coming digital hardcore artist who has a very unique style, some of her songs even having HexD inspirations (I say this because some of their songs have somewhat bitcrushed vocals and instrumentals, such as the songs "MURDER EVERY 1 U KNOW! (ft. takihasdied)" and "PUSH UR T3MPRR"). Also, something of note: a person who goes by takihasdied also has collabed with her on at least 2 of her songs, though doesn't seem to have much of a presense outside of femtanyl's works. I assume they're just friends.
    I just felt like letting you know about these things for future reference. I have a feeling you may need to make an update for this video, due to the rapid evolution of music due to the internet (and obviously no, AI-created or AI-generated breakcore or other electronic music genres, or AI music in general, wouldn't count as real music or even real electronic music, since the music wasn't created by a human, but that's a discussion for another day; honestly, if you ever do make a follow-up or update to this video, I think having a segment on or even just mentioning AI music would be helpful, since it's a big thing right now that has many music artists, as well as other artists, and writers, worried about being replaced by it, and rightfully so).

  • @LemonGD
    @LemonGD ปีที่แล้ว +7

    great documentary, maybe i'll be less insecure in naming the genres i listen to now lol

  • @prod-xino
    @prod-xino ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. This video makes my life more brighter.

  • @BreakerRecords
    @BreakerRecords ปีที่แล้ว +1

    after watching this video i have concluded that i still don't know what genre my music belongs to
    good video 👍

  • @loliphile2523
    @loliphile2523 ปีที่แล้ว

    you worked super hard on this video and it shows it's really one of the best videos i have ever seen. for surely the best in the genre of comprehensive history/video essay format. will be sharing this to all my friends it deserves way more views

  • @Seaismydream
    @Seaismydream ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re so amazing and awesome for making this video and doing such in-depth research on breakcore and how it came to be.
    I love this video and you, you wonderful soul!!
    Thank you so much for your time and you energy.

  • @supamarx5782
    @supamarx5782 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very impressive videos, I love this and your History film. Fantastic stuff. So engaging, you have a great style to go with your knowledge. How about a history of Glitch and all its connected genres? Indietronica, Glitch Hop, IDM, Noise, Lo-Fi, Hyperpop, Experimental, IDM, and all the associated record labels?

  • @MINDAUGAS716
    @MINDAUGAS716 ปีที่แล้ว

    INSANELY good video, mate!

  • @devjock
    @devjock หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hungarian Synthwave Allstars is such a prized part of my collection.. 24:10

  • @maria-if4vn
    @maria-if4vn ปีที่แล้ว +4

    amazing video! thanks for putting in so much effort. i hope more people can learn from this and stop slapping "breakcore" on everything they hear :,,)

  • @totfosk
    @totfosk ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, all the work and knowledge put here is out of this world…

  • @thesoundofthefox
    @thesoundofthefox ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is an interesting watch, but then i´ve had a feeling that something was missing. ¿So I thought what exactly was missing here? ...Almost everything what are the basics of breakcore culture for me was not even mentioned. I mean the punk influence (many people see breakcore as modern day punk), the anarchist influence, the illegal/squat parties(the huge topic actually), the influence of Netlabelism/antycopyright aestetics, the influence of chiptune scene, the Eastern european scene, the Taiwan scene, the Spanish scene, the Australian scene was much much more . P.S. Also forgoten: Society suckers (!!!), Dtrash Records, Dex And The city, Suck Puck, shitwank, Day Of The Droids, sociopath recordings, Post-breakcore etc. P.P.S But cheers for mentioning Goreshit and Renard and anyway thanx for a massive work!

    • @atetraxx
      @atetraxx ปีที่แล้ว

      Good points!

  • @treemoses575
    @treemoses575 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really welll made video thank you but also missing so much we should definitely put together more heads to open this discussion up further you have a lot of great information

  • @dinkc64
    @dinkc64 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow what a trip, I had that speed limit 140 BPM CD back in the day. Probably 1994 or so.
    House head forever!

  • @ConnieKonstantinos
    @ConnieKonstantinos ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this is great

  • @jimjam2534
    @jimjam2534 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great video, def needs more recognition

  • @Litleman
    @Litleman ปีที่แล้ว

    damn dude well done, that was extremely thorough

  • @isaimendiola7723
    @isaimendiola7723 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great vídeo ❤ hope You can do this with other generes

  • @Karaon
    @Karaon 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    UK Swampcore ... by Shitmat must be one of my top 5 favourite for so many years now

  • @chocolla5452
    @chocolla5452 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! And welcome to out quaint little server!

  • @CHWBKK
    @CHWBKK ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for your work dude, great video

  • @Sauceyjames
    @Sauceyjames ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid! I learned a lot from this, really don't know the genre's history, but like a lot of the music you talked about. Big fan of AFX and like a bit of Sewerslvt bc of the memes. Thanks for the link on Twitter 🥴

  • @gabbanrock
    @gabbanrock 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Now I'm trying to generate in my brain something in between with the old breakcore from 90s-2000s and new ones like Rory in early 20s I like the idea of ​​the melancholic electronic amen break music side of music but not with Animecore themes...

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was listening to older nasenbluten songs recently and found this song which samples Metallica - One and I'm suprised it sounds like a lot of the modern breakcore peeps who sample shoegaze sadboi music but from 1994, shows another early lineage I didn't talk about in the video. (song is nasenbluten - we've got the balls)

    • @gabbanrock
      @gabbanrock 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ForestWhitakerTulpa oh, thanks for information I guess?

    • @ForestWhitakerTulpa
      @ForestWhitakerTulpa  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sorry I have autism

  • @dillberrystew6205
    @dillberrystew6205 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great vid!

  • @programv8559
    @programv8559 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice one dude,respect. i've been interested in breakcore like 15 years, but i never search super deep in origins of breakcore. i called Xanopticon - IDM/Breakcore , and flashcore to me was - Atomhead and Neurocore for example, but whatever)

  • @wormdorgrwon
    @wormdorgrwon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Summer Breaks is Drumfunk I think

  • @ascottishgamerx9728
    @ascottishgamerx9728 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was just waiting for you to mention my favrtuote artists :D great fuckign video

  • @paig3yy
    @paig3yy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know this video might be old or new idk but ty for explaining the history!! ^^❤❤❤you did so well
    Now I have more music on my playlist yayyyyayaay