So sad we are losing this amarok and it’s been replaced by a ford. Loved the amaroks style the most of any ute and loved that grunting V6 diesel. Sad it’s been changed😢
Amarok is quicker in “D” than “S”. It’s quicker again with manual shifts. “S” holds the gears well past peak torque. You should be able to get another 3 tenths out of it. It look though that the Ford is torque limited in the lower gears to protect the gearbox.
2017 Amarok and I have never met a twin cab ute who could keep up with me. These people just don't drive the car the correct way and are just trying to create interest in the new ford/vw amarok. If you want a true test get an amarok owner and car with no association to these people and try and keep up. Ps the S mode is only for off road really.
I've only got a 4cly amarok but i find manual shift 1st into 2nd at 3000rpm is best then shift 4300 in the rest of the gears. I fitted a bigger intercooler and bigger intake pipe. before the V6 came out i used to love overtaking other new utes and the look on their faces seeing the amarok overtake them from behind before reaching 100km/h was priceless. before the intercooler and pipe it used to back off around 3200rpm but with the mods around 3100rpm you could feel it pulling harder all the way to 4500 cut off. it really felt more like a gas engine and it was hard to remember to up-shif. i think if the ecu was set to rev higher it would pull to 5000 before losing puff
Man, I thought I was being paranoid about it but yeah, even after decisive losses, it was still ‘almost the same…’ Ford Ranger Fanboys are the worst, especially when they have a TH-cam channel
new ranger v6 still couldn't beat the V6 Amarok platform that is at least 6 years older (and probably longer as its the engine adapted from the porsche cayenne). But its oh so close lols.
Ex Landrover tech here, the v6 they are going putting in both utes goes very well and can have anything up to 306 bhp depending on tuning/turbo configuration, great engine but my god it explod’s way too often! Apparently though they are going changing the crankshaft from cast to forged which is there main cause of failure so hopefully the newer one may hold up a bit better!
In correct it’s the Engine block, the v6 navara had the same issues exactly. Oil starved bottom end bearings, CGI moves to much, its light meets fuel specs etc, can last the warranty period good luck after that.
Obviously power and speed difference is minimal. Choice will come down to many other factors. Which feels better on a daily drive, fixed service costs and features for the money on offer. Thats what buyers will be looking at.
Considering the Ford supposedly has more torque, has smaller & lighter tyres, and has 10 speed gearbox vs 6 speed, I'd say the difference is not minimal. The new package is substandard, I can't understand why VW would have agreed to use the Lion POS.
The power and speed difference is huge these guys have just mis used the amarok to make the ford look better. There is no way in hell the ford can keep up with an amarok and if these so called journalist say other wise my amarok is ready to go. I am not saying the amarok is the absolute best car out there but in these areas the amarok is still king.
It is just so refreshing to see a car video that talks about motor and transmission. Most car videos are about the chrome and number of seats and nothing at all about performance. The ford will increase its sales, now that it has a serious engine. It will be interesting to see whether the the ten speed or eight speed proves most popular.
In the UK the fully emissionised VW V6 in the Amarok has not got the best of reliability reputations. It’s the emission system that has failed multiple times with two of my friends. One of them was on contract hire and it was out of commission so many times and for so long, he terminated the contract. The other was bought slightly use but with warranty and they can’t get parts for long times and when they do, it only sorts it for a few months. Oddly, I’ve not heard of this issue with the engine in Audi cars. New Amaros have not been sold in the UK for about a year, possibly longer, for some reason. Used values are very high.
Lots of comments suggesting "just do this", or "use this setting", or "even out the tyres", or "equalise the weights exactly" etc. If you have to pump lots of settings, and configure more parameters, it's not just a stock "Turn on and go in default" comparison then. It's a test for those that are chomping at the bit to win. That hardly happens out in the real world. Maybe the Ranger could be faster if it could skip some gears. Maybe it'd be faster in other driving modes. Likely would be better in towing acceleration at speed. Lots of "other" ways to compare the two. Either way, it's not a lot of difference. You'd be pretty foolish to opt for an older Amarok solely for "can beat a new Ranger by 0.2s to 100kph" though! There's so much more to it, and literally no one else would care. You'd have to be a fairly shallow person to make that your justification for owning a decade old model. This was for fun, but not a scale tipping consumer review. If the Ranger had been 2 seconds slower, that might have been concerning. Even if it had been a second faster; that would have been seen as "to be expected". 0.2s is reaction speed difference for most people. Certainly if you were at the lights where 2 lanes merge to 1 on the other side, the driver who reacts faster will get the right of way. Great review for the sake of clearing any doubt, but in no way an outcome that would sway a buyer.
it's a known fact that the w580x is slower than the adventure. if you want compare apples with apples you should have had both of them on the same tyres.
It's interesting to see that the 10 speed is causing the same issues as it did in the previous Ranger.. It just hunts for gears and can't decide where it wants to be, and then won't hold a gear when you need it to. But it looks like a fun day of filming Paul, well done.
They also dull performance if you hold the foot brake to stall it up, so there is decent delay between lifting off the brakes and full power being delivered. Ford have been doing it for years. An ecu tune will sort it out
This is embarrassing. The Amarok W580X is a stock Amarok with off road suspension, taller ride height, more off road focused tyres, a snorkel, lightbar and under body protection. It is a SLOWER off road version of standard Amarok 580.
You have to keep both utes at the same weight and test it that way because the ranger is and always has been heavier and has higher GVM and GCM. Its stronger and everything is heavier on it, more extras in safety and the low-range box, and its quite a lot longer in the wheelbase. And test them again with a trailer or decent load in the back and see how added weight affects performance and the extra torque on the ranger engine might put it a bit more in front. I'm not a fan of the latest ranger because I think its now an ugly car but that's just how it is.
Try using this old trick… put it in sand mode and see how the ford goes… If it is like the RR Disco, it changes the Auto mapping to increase reaction with the box.
I always love Paul's ENTHUSIASM! It is honestly what keeps me returning to his videos - oh, and his great presentation style and tech knowledge. Just fully entertaining AND informative. well done Paul! (no, I'm not his mother 🙂)
An Amarok tuned is a game Changer! The Germans kept them well under tuned. Ford push them harder to start with. I had a bunch of work done to my Amarok, now more power than a 200, much lighter, and a Wider track! Unbeatable.
200 is a poor comparison, it’s a shit box bought by toyota blinded fan boys with no brain to look at toyota logically with poor traction control, out dated safety, terrible design in seating position and proximity to the B pillars/windows. All toyota vehicle’s, you can sit in the seat with your arm pit on top of the door easily with the window down.
My favorite car (amarok) of all cars in the whole world. Make me choose between any Lamborghini or Ferrari and and Amarok,i will definitely choose an amarok even when i m sleeping! I love that car unconditionally 😍❤
VW is a good engine and good car, the ranger also now looks ugly im my opinion so im not rushing out to buy one anymore. But the ford engine is quite old also, just new for the Ranger. Power is power, one makes a little more torque, the other a little more KW, one is 8 speed and one is 10 speed. The 10 speed might be better for fuel economy but it might not be the best in 0-100. We don't know if the Ford may be the fastest with a load with total weight of both being equal and there are variations between different cars, another ranger or amarok may perform slightly better or worst than another. The Ford is also engineered for newer emissions regulations so much more power can be had with aftermarket tuning. The difference in performance in this test is quite small as expected as the power is near enough the same but there is a weight difference. Take out the extra safety, strengthening and low range gearbox and the weight would be reduced closer to the amarok and the performance would improve.
nice trucks... your contents should be how much fuel consumed with that v6 in an hour on that rqce track! i bet its quite expensive for an ordinary persons fuel expenses....
It all comes down to the gear box I reckon. The ZF in the Amarok is bit more efficient than the Fords torque converter. Also the overboost feature which for Ford lacks.
@@billyp4850 did you watch the video? They stated the weights, Amarok is like 50kg lighter, but is on at tyres that's also larger than standard for the rest of the range.
my 2015 trendline is 2200. i think if they put them or a proper weighbridge it would be different weight even with only 10L of fuel. plus also the DPF loading would effect the times as my 2014 always felt like it gained 50 hp 10 min after a regen lol
Snorkel facing the wrong way dude. The ram design is engineered to collect air facing forwards. Why do something people only do in extreme dust conditions?? Just curious
If the engine in the ford is in actual fact the same or similar to the Landrover v6 that makes me nervous because they break crankshafts on a regular basis.
@@billytremoloband7456 I would have thought all Diesel engines had forged bottom ends. It’s the CGI blocks chocking oil to the bearings. The CGI V9X had the same issues, I have done oil samples and tested mine. Brass was common made it to warranty period. I still believe also 5/30 drains out to much it’s thin shit.
It was first released in 2004 as a 2.7 variant. It’s been in Fords, jags, Land Rovers, Citroens and Peugeots. So it’s anything but new. Decent donk though.
I kinda see 10 speed transmissions as needless overkill, 8 is more than enough. I don’t think VW will fiddle with the tune of the V6, I personally think they’ll just leave it as is. That said I was hoping they’d keep their own motors but I guess that’s a little unrealistic in the big picture, perhaps Ford should have adopted the VW motors. Motors developed by Land Rover doesn’t instil a hole lot of faith for me..
3.5 ton please. That is their rated towing capacity, or it is for the Ford in much of the world and that is what I regularly tow behind mine. The empty Ifor Williams triple axle weighs 1250kgs empty, so loading it to 2 tons means filling it with feathers.
Amarok fuel economy under 9 L/100km while the new Ranger is listed at 11 L/100km... that's over a 20% difference! With a 10 year old car beating the more modern one...??
Well Paul shows if VW could have addressed the rear airbag issue and infotainment it would still stack up well! Its still a cracking beast can wait for the VW tuned version of the Fjord no so wildtrak Has the wildtrak been tamed ??
@@perpelle A slightly longer cab would have been great, add in the extras for safety and tech, it would be my choice. In the end it still seems to me we don't have one ute that is perfect. The Ranger has everything you would want now in features but the cab looks too narrow for the wide front that put on it. And the frontal design is just a bit odd looking and so the black paint work helps cover that up a bit but in white its quite awful, especially is the lower spec models.
honestly would 've thought the amarok was going to leave the ranger behind because of the Walkinshaw enhancements, but was the amarok just stickers and a name ??
I tested and locked in new v6 the other day, however while testing i wondered if the transmission restricted it a bit? almost felt like it was holding gears a bit long and power would drop off - remember thinking gee stop mucking around with so many gears and get going! I wonder if you manually changed it would be better.... ? Getting desperate i know.
Hi Paul. Love this dragparison all the way from South Africa. What if you hooked up some caravans or trailers and repeated the test? Could be very interesting....cheers
Great video mate Should do a role start race from 60km as well test top end power might need a longer race way and a brake test that would be the perfect performance test
I'm not even sure why I watched this since the Ranger is not a big seller in the US and the Amarok isn't even offered here. Good video though. I'm pretty sure that my 12 year old Ram 2500 diesel would have hit 100 km in about 8 seconds and it weighed over 7,000 lbs empty.
Cause everybody puts their dual cab in sport mode ,loads up the auto and mashes it. Do they go..yes,do they pull ..yes, do they perform their intended role..yes. Which one you would buy depends on a hundred personal reasons.
I can’t wait either, CGI is an issue that still hasn’t been sorted yet. Also the 5/30 is shit. 10/40 farmers doing their own service with the tractor oil will have better luck.
Fair race for power to weight ratio, walkinshaw over rated, stickers are supposed to be a performance boost aren’t they?, maybe the stickers slowed it down 😂
Remove some of the added strengthening, safety equipment, extra low-range gearbox that the Ranger has over the Amarok and then see which one is faster. But i'm sure its a good engine and i'd trust the 8 speed ZF, it makes good power but probably no longer meets emissions.
The Ford TDV6 was first used in the LR 319 ( Disco 3) way back in 2004. To be honest this engine was also used in the Peugeot 407 Coupe before that as it is a PSA designed engine.
@@johnboy5167 just how it is. The Ranger weighs more. Its much longer but power is similar. But Ford meets newer emissions and safety standards, the old amarok does not. If you swapped the engines around I'm sure the results would still be much the same. Or load up the amarok to get the weights similar.
So sad we are losing this amarok and it’s been replaced by a ford. Loved the amaroks style the most of any ute and loved that grunting V6 diesel. Sad it’s been changed😢
Argentina will do a big change to their Amarok in 2025. It will be the "real" new Amarok, not a Ranger with VW logo.
@@dardoukLYS oh fr? Hope they bring them to Australia because we love them here. One of few utes on the market that can challenge the 79 series
That's way I bought the 2020 550tdi the last beast
@@valdrinziba4641 not sure if they did them outside of Australia but those walkinshaw 580 tdi’s are insane.
Dankie for the display guy's.
Thank Amarok for not disappointing me the Amarok number one lover.⬆️💯
Amarok is quicker in “D” than “S”. It’s quicker again with manual shifts. “S” holds the gears well past peak torque. You should be able to get another 3 tenths out of it. It look though that the Ford is torque limited in the lower gears to protect the gearbox.
Totally agree
100% on the money dude
yea amarok you use S just for the initial take off then put it back in D.
2017 Amarok and I have never met a twin cab ute who could keep up with me. These people just don't drive the car the correct way and are just trying to create interest in the new ford/vw amarok. If you want a true test get an amarok owner and car with no association to these people and try and keep up. Ps the S mode is only for off road really.
I've only got a 4cly amarok but i find manual shift 1st into 2nd at 3000rpm is best then shift 4300 in the rest of the gears.
I fitted a bigger intercooler and bigger intake pipe.
before the V6 came out i used to love overtaking other new utes and the look on their faces seeing the amarok overtake them from behind before reaching 100km/h was priceless.
before the intercooler and pipe it used to back off around 3200rpm but with the mods around 3100rpm you could feel it pulling harder all the way to 4500 cut off.
it really felt more like a gas engine and it was hard to remember to up-shif.
i think if the ecu was set to rev higher it would pull to 5000 before losing puff
Even with the Amarok winning Mr CarExpert could not bring himself to clearly announce the Amarok as the winner. Historically biased towards Rangers
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Apparently VW agree with Paul though, given their decision to make the new Amarok a Ranger model share
Man, I thought I was being paranoid about it but yeah, even after decisive losses, it was still ‘almost the same…’
Ford Ranger Fanboys are the worst, especially when they have a TH-cam channel
new ranger v6 still couldn't beat the V6 Amarok platform that is at least 6 years older (and probably longer as its the engine adapted from the porsche cayenne). But its oh so close lols.
Its the better vehicle the ranger no bias there
Ex Landrover tech here, the v6 they are going putting in both utes goes very well and can have anything up to 306 bhp depending on tuning/turbo configuration, great engine but my god it explod’s way too often! Apparently though they are going changing the crankshaft from cast to forged which is there main cause of failure so hopefully the newer one may hold up a bit better!
They should just keep the vw v6 as is proven very reliable and can go up to 400bhp.
@Dean Wheatley I think VW going for the Ford V6 has something to do with their Dieselgate fiasco in the US. Just a guess, bet ya never know.
I'm amazed they thought a cast crank would have any longitivy in a diesel. 😳
Wasn't there oil starvation issues to the middle two cyl big ends?
In correct it’s the Engine block, the v6 navara had the same issues exactly. Oil starved bottom end bearings, CGI moves to much, its light meets fuel specs etc, can last the warranty period good luck after that.
Thanks for taking the time to film this shoot out. Looking forward to see the difference with the new Amarok.
Haha love how serious Paul takes this, his passion is very evident! Great video.
That's the most frustrating countdown I've ever heard. There's no point in counting down if you're gonna say go whenever you feel like it 🤷
It prevents people anticipating the start. Like in F1 where the Race Director has between 4 and 7 seconds to drop the red lights.
Damien is spot on, that's exactly the reason and it's smart to do it that way!
Wake up to youself
Obviously power and speed difference is minimal. Choice will come down to many other factors. Which feels better on a daily drive, fixed service costs and features for the money on offer. Thats what buyers will be looking at.
Cool, the Amarok is faster
Considering the Ford supposedly has more torque, has smaller & lighter tyres, and has 10 speed gearbox vs 6 speed, I'd say the difference is not minimal. The new package is substandard, I can't understand why VW would have agreed to use the Lion POS.
@@einfelder8262 amarok is a 8speed
@@DrivingBlissReviews Yes, Speed is a very important factor I consider when purchasing my Ute
The power and speed difference is huge these guys have just mis used the amarok to make the ford look better. There is no way in hell the ford can keep up with an amarok and if these so called journalist say other wise my amarok is ready to go. I am not saying the amarok is the absolute best car out there but in these areas the amarok is still king.
The Amaroks are definitely quicker in manual mode and man are they awesome remapped 💪
What do you recommend on the remap, without damaging it
@@martinstokes9204 the remap is awesome, 120,000 towing every day with zero issues
Get the old fat/giant shape with the current remaps
Remapped mine at 10,000km .. now done 120,000 no issues
It is just so refreshing to see a car video that talks about motor and transmission. Most car videos are about the chrome and number of seats and nothing at all about performance. The ford will increase its sales, now that it has a serious engine. It will be interesting to see whether the the ten speed or eight speed proves most popular.
Hi Paul, can you try the Ranger 0 to 100 in tow mode? Isn’t that supposed change the gearbox shift pattern?
It does
Wouldnt tow hold onto gears longer and not shift?
I am very happy with old Amarok V6 its so fast , the Ranger V6 with Ranger rover engine ..........
That was cool mate …. Go the Amarok!!!!!!
please let VW know. WE WANT VW TDI in the new amarok please!!!
EEk - might be too late!
In the UK the fully emissionised VW V6 in the Amarok has not got the best of reliability reputations. It’s the emission system that has failed multiple times with two of my friends. One of them was on contract hire and it was out of commission so many times and for so long, he terminated the contract. The other was bought slightly use but with warranty and they can’t get parts for long times and when they do, it only sorts it for a few months.
Oddly, I’ve not heard of this issue with the engine in Audi cars. New Amaros have not been sold in the UK for about a year, possibly longer, for some reason. Used values are very high.
yes ,a VW engine pls .They gone stupid
@@CarExpertAus LOL
@@hedydd2 I'v got the v6 amarok now and I'm OK with it. i found vw TDI use less gas then other utes. only in my case
Lots of comments suggesting "just do this", or "use this setting", or "even out the tyres", or "equalise the weights exactly" etc. If you have to pump lots of settings, and configure more parameters, it's not just a stock "Turn on and go in default" comparison then. It's a test for those that are chomping at the bit to win. That hardly happens out in the real world.
Maybe the Ranger could be faster if it could skip some gears. Maybe it'd be faster in other driving modes. Likely would be better in towing acceleration at speed. Lots of "other" ways to compare the two.
Either way, it's not a lot of difference. You'd be pretty foolish to opt for an older Amarok solely for "can beat a new Ranger by 0.2s to 100kph" though! There's so much more to it, and literally no one else would care. You'd have to be a fairly shallow person to make that your justification for owning a decade old model.
This was for fun, but not a scale tipping consumer review. If the Ranger had been 2 seconds slower, that might have been concerning. Even if it had been a second faster; that would have been seen as "to be expected". 0.2s is reaction speed difference for most people. Certainly if you were at the lights where 2 lanes merge to 1 on the other side, the driver who reacts faster will get the right of way.
Great review for the sake of clearing any doubt, but in no way an outcome that would sway a buyer.
And as a professional driver I would allow you the front space.
I'm here to see the ' reverse ' race any others ?
Haha, next time!
Like Player One. All you need is a DeLorean.
it's a known fact that the w580x is slower than the adventure. if you want compare apples with apples you should have had both of them on the same tyres.
It’s the only one they could get, the true apples to apples comparison would be the v6 sport vs the v6 Highline 580 imo
Hook up some heavy caravans then let's see the drag comparison. 60-110kmph times would also be nice as this is important for overtaking.
That'd be fun!
Amarok is better for towing and beach driving, Ranger is better on rough off road tracks
Amarok would win a towing test easily
Pavl....thank you for taking my suggestion happen...i love the exhaust sound segment..thank you 🤘🏻
about time, been waiting for this 🔥🔥🔥
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It's interesting to see that the 10 speed is causing the same issues as it did in the previous Ranger.. It just hunts for gears and can't decide where it wants to be, and then won't hold a gear when you need it to. But it looks like a fun day of filming Paul, well done.
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torque limiting 1st and 2nd gears at least?
It’s for comfort use not for performance… still a very good performance at all.
They also dull performance if you hold the foot brake to stall it up, so there is decent delay between lifting off the brakes and full power being delivered.
Ford have been doing it for years.
An ecu tune will sort it out
Yeh need a power glide 😅
This is embarrassing.
The Amarok W580X is a stock Amarok with off road suspension, taller ride height, more off road focused tyres, a snorkel, lightbar and under body protection. It is a SLOWER off road version of standard Amarok 580.
You have to keep both utes at the same weight and test it that way because the ranger is and always has been heavier and has higher GVM and GCM. Its stronger and everything is heavier on it, more extras in safety and the low-range box, and its quite a lot longer in the wheelbase. And test them again with a trailer or decent load in the back and see how added weight affects performance and the extra torque on the ranger engine might put it a bit more in front. I'm not a fan of the latest ranger because I think its now an ugly car but that's just how it is.
Try using this old trick… put it in sand mode and see how the ford goes…
If it is like the RR Disco, it changes the Auto mapping to increase reaction with the box.
Interesting!
WOW!!! Won't forget that one!!!! THX
@@CarExpertAus Same as putting the Ranger in Tow mode which remaps the shifts in the gearbox
Works in the Y62 sand mode.
It will probably still lose😂
The Ranger looks like it's short shifting a bit. Doesn't it have a sports mode on the gearbox like the outgoing one?
Look at all the Ford fanboys in the comments looking for excuses 😂
The fords heaps nicer/newer. The amarok faster. It is what it is
And when it comes to doing Ute things, the older Amarok will be left behind.
@@saudabrahams I’d hope so, it’s 12 yrs older 😂
@@saudabrahams nope. Mine still does Ute things perfectly. And is on a 12 yr old platform.
@@medz3398 you're confusing good enough for you, with the new Ranger, its next level. No comparison
@@lengerer let's put it this way, in a head to head, the older Amarok has no hope 😂
I always love Paul's ENTHUSIASM! It is honestly what keeps me returning to his videos - oh, and his great presentation style and tech knowledge. Just fully entertaining AND informative. well done Paul! (no, I'm not his mother 🙂)
would stll choose the current model of the amarok v6
An Amarok tuned is a game Changer!
The Germans kept them well under tuned.
Ford push them harder to start with.
I had a bunch of work done to my Amarok, now more power than a 200, much lighter, and a Wider track! Unbeatable.
Same 👍
200 is a poor comparison, it’s a shit box bought by toyota blinded fan boys with no brain to look at toyota logically with poor traction control, out dated safety, terrible design in seating position and proximity to the B pillars/windows.
All toyota vehicle’s, you can sit in the seat with your arm pit on top of the door easily with the window down.
I loved the review, it looked like you had a heap of fun. I would love to be a passenger in a review you do one day. GREAT WORK ALL!!
This is what ive been waiting for, owning the v6 amarok myself
Thought the Rock could do it in low 7's?
Think the Aventure does. The w580x has different tyres.
Kept trying to get the Ranger a better time.
Get the Rok on HTs and watch it become even quicker.
bit weird to be slower than the same model a week a go
Don't think it would have made too much of a difference. We got a faster time in the XLT we tested recently and it was on ATs.
@@CarExpertAus the adventurer is the heaviest model. The rest do around 7.2-7.4 depending on tires etc
@@medz3398
Your mums the heaviest model mate
Both these Orsm engines have had similar outputs for probably 8 years. They perform effortlessly too
My favorite car (amarok) of all cars in the whole world. Make me choose between any Lamborghini or Ferrari and and Amarok,i will definitely choose an amarok even when i m sleeping! I love that car unconditionally 😍❤
just goes to show you how good the vw v6 was and still is.
VW is a good engine and good car, the ranger also now looks ugly im my opinion so im not rushing out to buy one anymore. But the ford engine is quite old also, just new for the Ranger. Power is power, one makes a little more torque, the other a little more KW, one is 8 speed and one is 10 speed. The 10 speed might be better for fuel economy but it might not be the best in 0-100. We don't know if the Ford may be the fastest with a load with total weight of both being equal and there are variations between different cars, another ranger or amarok may perform slightly better or worst than another. The Ford is also engineered for newer emissions regulations so much more power can be had with aftermarket tuning. The difference in performance in this test is quite small as expected as the power is near enough the same but there is a weight difference. Take out the extra safety, strengthening and low range gearbox and the weight would be reduced closer to the amarok and the performance would improve.
I enjoyed this immensely!!
nice trucks...
your contents should be how much fuel consumed with that v6 in an hour on that rqce track!
i bet its quite expensive for an ordinary persons fuel expenses....
It all comes down to the gear box I reckon. The ZF in the Amarok is bit more efficient than the Fords torque converter. Also the overboost feature which for Ford lacks.
Indeed the ZF is a masterpiece
The Amarok is a good 200 kg lighter than the Ranger also
@@billyp4850 did you watch the video? They stated the weights, Amarok is like 50kg lighter, but is on at tyres that's also larger than standard for the rest of the range.
Disco v6 with the zf8 is a fantastic combination.
@@billyp4850 it not
How about a tow test between these 2? Comparing comfort levels, fuel consumption, etc
The numbers are close but I would rather go for ride quality, maintenance costs especially fuel economy
Go the amarok then, better fuel economy
Anyone noticed the Amaroks snorkel?
yup, what's going on there
that is what we waiting for, good job Paul.
Any plans to do a towing test on the v6 ranger?
W580 could be little heavier than 580 Highline, because I can get 7.2 seconds 0-100 in my 580 Highline.
my 2015 trendline is 2200. i think if they put them or a proper weighbridge it would be different weight even with only 10L of fuel.
plus also the DPF loading would effect the times as my 2014 always felt like it gained 50 hp 10 min after a regen lol
You can do this test over and over, ford will never beat a Amarok 🤣👌🏼
Why not amarok is shit never forget that
New Amarok is a reskinned ranger
@@lk9456 this is not the new VW it’s the VW engine it is superior to the lion engine
@@paulmcintosh5589 didn’t say it was did I, I said the new Amarok uses the ranger engine
Got to pay attention to what’s said before you carry on
@@lk9456 like wise, stating this was the current VW engine, not the reskined ranger.
Breakfast menu might have caused the slower ranger compared to few weeks earlier? Just a thought.
Snorkel facing the wrong way dude. The ram design is engineered to collect air facing forwards. Why do something people only do in extreme dust conditions?? Just curious
If the engine in the ford is in actual fact the same or similar to the Landrover v6 that makes me nervous because they break crankshafts on a regular basis.
Apparently they have switched to a forged crank like in the f150 to stop the Jlr crank snapping party piece
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I would have thought all Diesel engines had forged bottom ends.
It’s the CGI blocks chocking oil to the bearings. The CGI V9X had the same issues, I have done oil samples and tested mine. Brass was common made it to warranty period. I still believe also 5/30 drains out to much it’s thin shit.
Excellent fun video 💪
Greetings from South Africa
no rolling race ?
I really don’t understand why you had to match the weights. They had different tyres so how does that affect the result?
How many k's on the New Ranger?
Another wicked review, thank you!
Well done Paul; great video - you certainly know what ppl want! Thoroughly enjoyed that!
would live to see a 2t trailer on the back of any ute drag battles.
i think seeing how they go with weight would be interesting.
Chance it could be 17inch rims on the xlt that's quicker off the line than the 18inch wheels on the sport?
Why is the snorkel on backwards on the amarok
What tune has the vw got with snorkel. Impressive for 4x4 utes
So the V6 isn't a new development, but from a landrover?
It was first released in 2004 as a 2.7 variant. It’s been in Fords, jags, Land Rovers, Citroens and Peugeots. So it’s anything but new. Decent donk though.
The original Lion V6 diesel was a joint venture design engine used by multiple brands built by Ford UK since the early 2000's.
I kinda see 10 speed transmissions as needless overkill, 8 is more than enough. I don’t think VW will fiddle with the tune of the V6, I personally think they’ll just leave it as is. That said I was hoping they’d keep their own motors but I guess that’s a little unrealistic in the big picture, perhaps Ford should have adopted the VW motors. Motors developed by Land Rover doesn’t instil a hole lot of faith for me..
next drag race between them with a 2ton trailer 😍
3.5 ton please. That is their rated towing capacity, or it is for the Ford in much of the world and that is what I regularly tow behind mine. The empty Ifor Williams triple axle weighs 1250kgs empty, so loading it to 2 tons means filling it with feathers.
Did you check tyre pressures between the XLT and the Sport? A big difference could impact rolling resistance and therefore acceleration.
Amarok fuel economy under 9 L/100km while the new Ranger is listed at 11 L/100km... that's over a 20% difference! With a 10 year old car beating the more modern one...??
V6 Ranger is 8.4 L/100km petrol Raptor is 11.5
Well Paul shows if VW could have addressed the rear airbag issue and infotainment it would still stack up well! Its still a cracking beast can wait for the VW tuned version of the Fjord no so wildtrak
Has the wildtrak been tamed ??
It needs the full safety tech as well including keyless, higher wading depth, more cab choices etc.
@@perpelle A slightly longer cab would have been great, add in the extras for safety and tech, it would be my choice. In the end it still seems to me we don't have one ute that is perfect. The Ranger has everything you would want now in features but the cab looks too narrow for the wide front that put on it. And the frontal design is just a bit odd looking and so the black paint work helps cover that up a bit but in white its quite awful, especially is the lower spec models.
can you do a float comparison next see which floats longer in a river crossing....
Was hoping for a bit more of a comparison in terms of the interior, what’s the actual interior width of the outgoing rok compared to the new ranger?
That might happen in the Next Gen Amarok review; once that vehicle comes out.
I feel bad for tradies that used to drive V8 Holden and Ford utes. Paul looks so bored/disappointed waiting for that Ford to finish the 0 to 100 😂
How many Ks does that ranger have on the clock, compared to the Amarok?
Waiting for the top speed test.
When do you do the ford Everest titanium version review?
The snorkel was backwards aswel that is a significant disadvantage
Wat about the nissan navara v6
honestly would 've thought the amarok was going to leave the ranger behind because of the Walkinshaw enhancements, but was the amarok just stickers and a name ??
16:37 Igor only weighs 15kgs?
I tested and locked in new v6 the other day, however while testing i wondered if the transmission restricted it a bit? almost felt like it was holding gears a bit long and power would drop off - remember thinking gee stop mucking around with so many gears and get going! I wonder if you manually changed it would be better.... ? Getting desperate i know.
It does skip gears too. It can often skip 2nd.
That’s interesting, have a look at fullboost’s video with the ranger breakdown, they weighed the xlt at 2.3t exact
Hi Paul. Love this dragparison all the way from South Africa. What if you hooked up some caravans or trailers and repeated the test? Could be very interesting....cheers
Hi, Paul can you please do the rolling race❤🙏
do dmax vs bt50 cause they share the platform with isuzu
Ide like to see this done with the normal amarok instead of the w580
the normal ones are faster
W580 only has suspension and tyre difference. No engine mods.
Why not try the new bt-50 SP vs the dmax X terrain. Almost everything is the same
Great video mate Should do a role start race from 60km as well test top end power might need a longer race way and a brake test that would be the perfect performance test
So why was launch Control on the amarok not used to get of the line... This is not brake boosting..
Amarok launch control???
Hey Paul, are you going to do a Sport review?
Thanks so much for this comperison
Did you try the Amarok in Drive or shifting manually? S is actually slower on mine by a fair bit as it hangs onto its gears for too long.
I'm not even sure why I watched this since the Ranger is not a big seller in the US and the Amarok isn't even offered here. Good video though.
I'm pretty sure that my 12 year old Ram 2500 diesel would have hit 100 km in about 8 seconds and it weighed over 7,000 lbs empty.
hi could you do the new raptor ranger vs the amarok v6?
I would still prefer a 2.0 biturbo ranger instead of a “problemarok”
Cause everybody puts their dual cab in sport mode ,loads up the auto and mashes it. Do they go..yes,do they pull ..yes, do they perform their intended role..yes. Which one you would buy depends on a hundred personal reasons.
Waiting for Wildtrack V6 2022 verses VW Panamericana V6 2.3Gasoline 2023 and VW Aventura 3.0CC Diesel 2023 road test
Speaking as the owner of two 50 year old fords, and a number of other classic Fords in the past I wouldn't touch a modern one.
Please include the Mazida bt 50
What are the price differences between these?
Would the Amarok perform even better if it didn't have the longer air intake with the snorkel?
That would be dangerous when you hit a puddle as the amarok only has 500mm of wading depth 😁
Also will be interesting to see how reliable the Landrover engine will be in the new ranger?
Landrover used Ford engines... and the twin turbo version.
I can’t wait either, CGI is an issue that still hasn’t been sorted yet. Also the 5/30 is shit. 10/40 farmers doing their own service with the tractor oil will have better luck.
Amarok V6 all the way.
May have helped choosing the heaviest Amarok, X model
Lol…..
Unfortunately it's all we could get our hands on! It actually helped when we wanted to match the weights. That's about as close as it got.
Fair race for power to weight ratio, walkinshaw over rated, stickers are supposed to be a performance boost aren’t they?, maybe the stickers slowed it down 😂
@@120downunder did your dad bring you back this time?
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Ha no I got a lift with your mum, gee the amarok was shit wasn’t it, ha what a joke
I thought the amarok would have been quicker, Its still very impressive considering. how long that engine has been around without a rival.
Remove some of the added strengthening, safety equipment, extra low-range gearbox that the Ranger has over the Amarok and then see which one is faster. But i'm sure its a good engine and i'd trust the 8 speed ZF, it makes good power but probably no longer meets emissions.
The Ford TDV6 was first used in the LR 319 ( Disco 3) way back in 2004. To be honest this engine was also used in the Peugeot 407 Coupe before that as it is a PSA designed engine.
Nissan V9X killed the amarok original tune that’s why they steeped it up more than 10years ago.
@@glenns7175 excuses typical Ford lover 😁
@@johnboy5167 just how it is. The Ranger weighs more. Its much longer but power is similar. But Ford meets newer emissions and safety standards, the old amarok does not. If you swapped the engines around I'm sure the results would still be much the same. Or load up the amarok to get the weights similar.
Can u please do a izusu dmax x terrain 3.0l vs toyota hilux 2.8l