Vanguard Spearhead - What Sneaky Tricks can it Bring to the Table? Codex Space Marines Review

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  • @auspextactics
    @auspextactics  ปีที่แล้ว +3

    OTHER DETACHMENT REVIEWS HERE:
    First Company - th-cam.com/video/RQiNWV3KtIM/w-d-xo.html
    Firestorm Assault Force - th-cam.com/video/pKJ52r41KPw/w-d-xo.html
    Anvil Siege Force - th-cam.com/video/PcSZrQBgIh4/w-d-xo.html
    Ironstorm Spearhead - th-cam.com/video/eoC1U3h6W_s/w-d-xo.html

  • @narutard1402
    @narutard1402 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Precision Stratagem is absolutely worth it if you have a captain in a melee squad. The amount of leaders i have assassinated with it as a free strat is insane

  • @japhettheprophet4619
    @japhettheprophet4619 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    This is the most “I do something” “NUH UH” army

  • @valbroderick8156
    @valbroderick8156 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is unironically one of the best detachments for Terminators since you can give them infiltrate on your opponents line, and then have a captain give them precision for free on turn 1.

  • @brittanislarp3850
    @brittanislarp3850 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    IF MAGIC THE GATHERING BLUE MAGIC WAS A SPACE MARINE FORCE.

  • @leostarrs-cunningham8576
    @leostarrs-cunningham8576 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Unless it changes from the Index, its always worth remembering Invictors now have the PHOBOS keyword.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I will be rechecking it myself soon.

    • @notaskrull8304
      @notaskrull8304 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      All of the sneaky strats require phobos infantry keywords

    • @notaskrull8304
      @notaskrull8304 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interestingly Klaven seems to have lost the phobos keyword

    • @andrewblock5339
      @andrewblock5339 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@notaskrull8304 Klaven? You mean Kayvaan Shrike?

    • @notaskrull8304
      @notaskrull8304 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewblock5339 yeah of course.

  • @Turai12
    @Turai12 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I think my fave infiltration unit is 6x bladeguard, Marneus Calgar and a Leutennant. The LT carries the enhancement and brings lethal hits, Marneus just hits like a truck with his buddies and gives advance and charge. Bladeguard gonna bladeguard.
    This is probably my favourite detachment just for silly shit.

    • @r3dmanMIC
      @r3dmanMIC ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I personally like to add the Judiciar to the bladeguard instead. Fights First really makes enemies think twice about charging.

    • @stupidfrog2205
      @stupidfrog2205 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@r3dmanMIC totally agree. Judiciar and bladeguard is great for controlling the opponent, he has to either avoid them or focus fire on them.

    • @matzem3702
      @matzem3702 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same but with Ragnar xD

    • @Turai12
      @Turai12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@r3dmanMICi didn't consider him since I don't have the model but that's another interesting choice.

    • @GaryP336
      @GaryP336 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea judiciar for those shenanigans. Then

  • @hobbybro3902
    @hobbybro3902 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ran into this detachment yesterday vs Dark Angels, the range shooting debuff really hurt, Centurion Devastators were his star unit. I made a tactical mistake, couple really game end close in a loss for me (Ultramarines) 76-71 . For 3 rounds I got secondaries that were impossible to achieve. I like this detachment lots of good stuff. I’m gonna use it against Necrons next week.

  • @ShahbazBokhari
    @ShahbazBokhari ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I was just thinking about a Raven Guard themed list this morning.
    Blessed be the Auspex.
    Edit: Feel bad for Reivers, here’s an entire detachment you’d think would be right for em, but even here, there’s better things to spend points on.

    • @basteala525
      @basteala525 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Part of the issue has always been that Reivers trade damage for battle shock which has just never worked.

    • @ShahbazBokhari
      @ShahbazBokhari ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@basteala525I concur. Battleshock needs to be a tangible threat to unit performance beyond the OC and Strat debuff, or make terror troops have a distinct advantage when using BS.
      They should have a suite of unique advantages vs a battle shocked unit.

    • @scelonferdi
      @scelonferdi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShahbazBokhari I feel like a way way to make battleshock more impactful could be turning of most of the single role defining special rules units have (where it makes sense)..

    • @TomesTheAmazing
      @TomesTheAmazing ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShahbazBokhari yeah thats prob the best way to do it they need something that makes battleshock worse or does extra damage to battleshocked units

  • @notaskrull8304
    @notaskrull8304 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I played this detachment last night. Guerilla tactics was powerful. Kiting Lych guard to one side of the board and then just disappearing, to come back in, as reserves was strong enough but then shooting and moving on to the obj with eliminators in the same turn was chef's kiss.
    With Klaven, you could have 3 units in total, per turn, redeploying.

  • @polusx1063
    @polusx1063 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Geurilla Tactics on an Inceptor Squad would be nuts

  • @jaegerbomb269
    @jaegerbomb269 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Beaks for life!

    • @Lamefoureyes
      @Lamefoureyes ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Victoria aut ca CAWWW

  • @DHYohko
    @DHYohko ปีที่แล้ว +2

    execute and redeploy is great on a phobos captain + eliminators, keep them safe, free strike from the shadows every turn, and no longer need to sacrifice a rifle for the carbine.

    • @AutisticDumplingMan
      @AutisticDumplingMan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sadly I only have 3 elims so a captain probably isn’t worth is

  • @CadianColors
    @CadianColors ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Knowing this detachment was coming is the reason I started an all phobos loyalist Alpha Legion army

    • @judeblack4360
      @judeblack4360 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Welcome to the club, pal.

    • @CadianColors
      @CadianColors ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@judeblack4360 Hydra Dominatus??

  • @normtrooper4392
    @normtrooper4392 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It looks like a fun set of rules, especially apt for a ravenguard player.

  • @BrotherVoidBomber
    @BrotherVoidBomber ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Actually this sounds fun to run a more aggressive space sharks list.

    • @cpt.s.seiden
      @cpt.s.seiden ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I know I’m putting Tyberos with this. Big Shark Daddy extra stealthy

    • @chimeraelite
      @chimeraelite ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cpt.s.seiden wait does he have a stat sheet?

    • @cpt.s.seiden
      @cpt.s.seiden ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@chimeraelite unfortunately no. You’d have to run him as a terminator captain with lightning claws. Although it’s actually pretty close to his 9e stats.

    • @orcbrand
      @orcbrand ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I enjoyed their old rules (ravenguard successor with stealth and Whirlwind of Rage) I'm glad this Detachment kept some of my favorite tricks from the last codex (a deadly prize Paired with incursors with a mine and master of ambush). Shame the tyberos rules got legendsed that +1 strength aura really helped the army punch above its weight.

  • @markhohenbrink5230
    @markhohenbrink5230 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Shadow War Vet and Callidus Assassin will act like the Deathwatch variant, so you could double up or spread CP cost increases on important strats.

    • @MrScumsen
      @MrScumsen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Triple vect with deathwatch 😂

  • @Fauxmadd
    @Fauxmadd ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Played Shrike with the new rules the other night, he is very fun.

  • @peters6345
    @peters6345 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My codex just arrived today :D can't wait to try this one, I wish it had better synergy with Shrike, but at least he has phobos keyword now, so can move 6' if calculated feint is used on his unit.
    Btw the phobos captain redeploys up to 3 phobos units.. invictor has the phobos keyword in this edition and scout 8' XD

    • @KapitanPoop
      @KapitanPoop ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Loyalist Alpha Legionnaire *HEAVY BREATHING*

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, Shrike is awesome, but if you're willing to give him up you can write an entire chapter for yourself.

    • @magiciansforce
      @magiciansforce ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was skeptical about Invictors due to how off they look in an RG army, but if they're Phobos, plus their counterattack ability, hell I'll take two!

  • @ZbunjenaGirica
    @ZbunjenaGirica ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I kinda wish that it would have more phobos only features. Maybe something that would give reivers a boost that would make them useful.

    • @HoratioCornblower
      @HoratioCornblower ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +1 to wound for phobos units against battle shocked targets within 6" of reiver units

  • @brothertobias
    @brothertobias ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Devastator Centurions are very good in this Detachment. With the Stratagem, they natively reroll 1s and hit on 2+ and then put 6 twin-linked AP-4 lascannons into something, + all the extra shots from the breast launchers (which are pretty good). You can negate their bad mobility by putting them back into reserves every turn.
    Speaking of which, if you take Uriel Ventris and give a unit the "Deep Strike" ability, you can deepstrike that unit every turn wherever you want when putting them back into reserves.

  • @william9557
    @william9557 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The biggest problem is phobos armies are quite "meh" when it comes to actually fighting.
    S4 guns and melee across the board.
    Eliminators should come in more than 3.
    Scout snipers just disappeared, sgt tigerius and the S9 rocket launchers with them.
    They have next to no anti tank or monster capability beyond some las fusils.
    Sure, the invictor has an S14 fist. Good luck getting him close enough before he dies with his low toughness compared to a dread.
    They are support units. Not the building blocks for an army.
    And this is from a raven guard lover and someone who sold themselves on trying to make a phobos heavy list since 10th rolled out.

    • @owenhouck5281
      @owenhouck5281 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’ve got to bring in a lot of units alongside your Phobos units. I’ve been playing a list that is majority Phobos, but I’ve got 2 or 3 units that are in standard power armor and a lot of vehicles. I think that it is still thematic for your vanguard units to keep eyes on enemies as your heavy hitting units roll in (it’s literally what Incursors are designed to do in lore)

    • @Sanctjud
      @Sanctjud ปีที่แล้ว

      Beauty is, you don't have to run Phobos heavy.

    • @tastefulavenger
      @tastefulavenger ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sanctjud There is no beauty just wasted opportunity to get reivers in particular to matter, and gimmicks over lethality for phobos and scouts doesn't really describe raven guard well. It why every else other than RG bois are gushing particularly DW,SW,and DA fans.

    • @owenhouck5281
      @owenhouck5281 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tastefulavenger the problem ultimately stems from divergent chapters being able to take compliant detatchments. Blow that up and then everything would be fine. It’s mostly people salivating at undercutting the balance of hard hitting units that only they get needing time to get in combat. I hate when people blatantly exploit something that was clearly never meant for them, often to the harm of others who don’t play that way when the detatchment could eventually get nerfed

  • @hazloner117
    @hazloner117 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh boy can't wait to totally rework my alpha legion list for this

    • @MegaTrimech
      @MegaTrimech ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I see you're Alpharius, I'm pretty Alpharius myself 😏

    • @KapitanPoop
      @KapitanPoop ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hydra Dominatus!

  • @oldmate86
    @oldmate86 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You forgot to mention that Shrike with a squad of VVets can Rapid Ingress just outside of 12” meaning they’re safe from the shooting and charge phase.
    In this way to you can essentially assassinate any character or take out a good chunk of infantry

  • @adamstephens5964
    @adamstephens5964 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This would be a lot of fun with deathwatch. Black spear task force is still (post nerf) excellent.

    • @Svejir
      @Svejir ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Was considering running Deathwatch with this detachment. Would make for some fun shenanigans with delivering units right onto the enemies door step that needed to be there.

  • @joerudinsky1447
    @joerudinsky1447 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think one thing to note here is that the Detachment Rule stacks with Stealth to give you -1 to hit through JT's and Markerlights etc

  • @mayofrench5170
    @mayofrench5170 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It seems like Strike from the Shadows causing battle shock could be used as an objective denial tool and prevent an opponent from scoring as much.

  • @C454D
    @C454D ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel you missed a mention of Reivers. While they have been maligned, they are 85 points to get a unit of Phobos with the deep strike key word with Grav-Chutes. This is helpful when using their back to reserves as now they can just come back down anywhere.
    If you want to give them a phobos lieutenant, give them the standard one, not the reiver one and now they can deep strike around the board, put their backs to a ruin wall, take some shots at an opponents unit with a character or whatever you feel like putting chip damage on then move behind the ruin to avoid getting shot. That or more standard is to just deep strike around the board as an action monkey squad.
    If you were to run a Callidus, Shrike and if you are daring 2 Reivers with Grav-Chutes you can have up to 4 units disappear at the end of the opponents turn to then show up during yours to perform actions and placement as needed. This in theory means if you draw investiage signals could get that done with a full 4 corners done, similar with engage on all fronts.
    Also Invictors are Phobos units. You can get them back into reserve as well along side another unit and redeploy as needed. This detachment isn't about raw power, this is a very movement based detachment that as I found during my game I had recently (as of time writing this) was shown that you need to place efficiently and soundly.
    Also a shout-out to bladeguard led by a Judicar with Infiltrate. If you can find a spot in the centre of the field to hide them, they become quite a scary issue for the opponent to approach as now even if they get charged, they fight first.

    • @AnalogBass
      @AnalogBass ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea, tldr, just take assault squads

    • @tastefulavenger
      @tastefulavenger ปีที่แล้ว

      Just take scouts or Jump A intercessors all much better options for back line jumping and being effective for their points. Reivers are a trap the lack of assault on anything doubly makes them dead in my book.

  • @short_yeti2058
    @short_yeti2058 ปีที่แล้ว

    Note ALL redeploys work the same way per the rules commentary. "but before the first turn begins" is the Resolve Pre Battle Abilities step which is after Determine First Turn. Phbobs cap over explains a core mechanic like how Ogryn are the only datasheet that explicitly reduces damage by one "to a minimum of one". They were probably written first.
    Edit whoops double posted in a reply somewhere because my app crashed and I couldn't find it after so I thought it failed my b

  • @ethanemery7670
    @ethanemery7670 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My fav detachment, i lobe ravenguard

  • @TheAcidDrip
    @TheAcidDrip ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reivers wish they were scouts. Hope Reivers get a bluff like Lightning Claws (on the box art of the Shadow Strike set from last year). Something cool and thematic.

  • @seventvarods7728
    @seventvarods7728 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cant wait to run my blood angels with this

  • @losthero0
    @losthero0 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I normally like Tau, I like raven guard for other reasons other than them being in a tau book, but before I loaded this video in my queue, on my newrecruit raven guard build I decided this detachment was also best for my intentions haha

  • @stoneosborne9247
    @stoneosborne9247 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One step closer to my dream of a frustrating as f*ck Deathwatch Phobos army.

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect for my boys the Raptor Legion 👌

  • @HiveOne
    @HiveOne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I imagine, a Biologis led 10 men HvIntercessor Squad starting on the mid board objective could be a pain for your opponent to shift.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure, though you could do the same with termies.

    • @Sanctjud
      @Sanctjud ปีที่แล้ว

      I want to do the same. With a Captain too, to add some punch. I was thinking of adding the Rogue Traders from Agents, so that they can be redeployed if one loses the roll off to go first. So you can't Infiltrate aggressively to push back enemy infiltrators and pull back if you lose turn 1.

  • @chriseash6497
    @chriseash6497 ปีที่แล้ว

    There are other tricks here to with that movement stratagem. You can force your opponent into Heroic Intervention range against a unit of say…..a 6-man Bladeguard squad with attached Judicier.

  • @broco1163
    @broco1163 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Definitely ready to try this with Dark Angels. Fits the theme and a lot of scary combos.

    • @georgehutley
      @georgehutley ปีที่แล้ว

      Art of war did it yesterday. Very overbearing with those knights

    • @owenhouck5281
      @owenhouck5281 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How does starting a boatload of DW knights 9” away from your opponent “fit the theme”? It’s just annoying that it’s being used to exploit a detachment that was never meant for DA in the first place. One of their singular weaknesses is negated here. Really hoping divergent chapters get locked out of these eventually, as it’s going to likely punish compliant chapters who don’t have the ability to abuse things like this. Already can’t wait for the Iron Hands detatchment to single-handedly push up all the points of our vehicles, and tactics like this will likely make the enhancement either far more restrictive or way more costly.

    • @CanaiLore
      @CanaiLore ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree, I'm way put off the way Astartes are handled now. Letting the divergent Chapters just use whatever rules/detachments they want, (when they already have several special units/characters), it just feels bad for the vanilla marines. My Raven Guard list suffer any points or rules changes because WAAC players have to abuse the game.
      "Sneaky" doesn't fit huge, bulky, bone-white Deathwing knights, and anyone claiming otherwise is just meta-chasing.@@owenhouck5281

    • @broco1163
      @broco1163 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@owenhouck5281 Name an SM chapter that fits the clandestine trope of Vanguard better than Dark Angels, besides Raven Guard.

  • @sonofruss334
    @sonofruss334 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just keep thinking thunderwolves cavalry get - 1 to hit, how fun is this, 2 x6 TWC with wolf lord and battle leader, and behind them a lot of shooting unit makes me so excited to try this detachment in SW

    • @TsundeReaper989
      @TsundeReaper989 ปีที่แล้ว

      You gotta run that white scars themed one, that’s gnarly for SW

  • @GrimmDork
    @GrimmDork ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously considering running my death watch in this, at least sometimes. Would let me use my scouts and devastators again too.

  • @sagebrown5643
    @sagebrown5643 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ive been playing a bunch of test games with this detachment and its actually unbeatable. I have a mean list that plays the game without exposing any of my units until usually turn 3. This is by using strike and fade and indirect fire. Hell, you can even capture objectives without being on them if you go first and have an infiltration unit with the stratagem. This means your opponent can't afford to counter your cagey strategy by also being cagey. If you play this detachment right, it is insanely powerful

    • @alucarddracula7
      @alucarddracula7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds cool. Can you share your list?

    • @tastefulavenger
      @tastefulavenger ปีที่แล้ว

      Tau don't have many issues getting around master of shadows.

  • @Celt1389
    @Celt1389 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My friend plays Imp Guard with a basilisk. The earthshaker round is annoying, I think this detachment will help against that.

  • @booya2791
    @booya2791 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is gonna be awesome tactical and vector war suit redeploying just sounds awesome

  • @Crack_the_Skye
    @Crack_the_Skye ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Infiltrating a deathwing knights squad with a leader or two is a good way to not have friends.

    • @r3dmanMIC
      @r3dmanMIC ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In my experience, it's also a good way to have the enemy either full focus them turn 1 or avoid them all game. It's a LOT of points for a gambit that most likely does not pay off.

    • @owenhouck5281
      @owenhouck5281 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ⁠@@r3dmanMICI feel like you literally CANT afford to ignore them when they’re starting 9” away from your deployment zone. If they get first turn, they can likely charge something immediately. Also I don’t really know if there are any tools in the game that can blow up 10 DW knights with ease especially considering their extra wound and ability.

    • @Crack_the_Skye
      @Crack_the_Skye ปีที่แล้ว

      @r3dmanMIC I play Dark Angels and it's a douche move. Run it at a GT, but don't run it with friends or at a local shop. There is zero chance you're avoiding them unless you spend your entire hopefully first turn mayyybe killing them.

    • @Crack_the_Skye
      @Crack_the_Skye ปีที่แล้ว

      @owenhouck5281 10 knights at -1 wound and 2 characters attached is a crazy thing to get charged with on turn 1.
      So many saves and wounds, you definitely have to take them on immediately.

    • @r3dmanMIC
      @r3dmanMIC ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Crack_the_Skye It's a risky move IMO. A 10-man brick with two characters is quite hard to hide depending on terrain, and having such a large brick of points lets many armies deploy around them since they have more units, and if you don't go first and lose 4 or more knights (to, say, a big pile of dam1 fire) the value of the unit diminishes enormously.

  • @KneeCapHill
    @KneeCapHill ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No matter how hard they try, phobos will always be the biggest shit stain in the spacemarine range. All we wanted was upscaled classic units.

    • @tastefulavenger
      @tastefulavenger ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's been 8yrs, move on.

    • @KneeCapHill
      @KneeCapHill ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tastefulavenger i said ALWAYS.

    • @oldmate86
      @oldmate86 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Na aesthetically they’re great and its a game of scoring, which they’re great at doing with their Infiltrator and scout moves.

  • @NessieKnows
    @NessieKnows ปีที่แล้ว

    I was playing with a Vanguard list before the rules were announced and your list and ine is very similar, I dont have a Lancer since I cant find them in the US but its very close. Thanks for the video!

  • @ryanbowald2425
    @ryanbowald2425 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Strike from the shadows gives +1 BS not +1 to hit which makes it way better!

  • @Sigismundssword
    @Sigismundssword ปีที่แล้ว

    A good thing to put into infiltrate is a 20 man crusader squader with grimmaldus leading. That's a 20 man melee monster, with 6in scout move, and a 5+ FNP from grimmace

    • @Lawless4566
      @Lawless4566 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t think you can put another character in that unit to take the enhancement to infiltrate though as grimaldus can’t take it himself.

    • @Sanctjud
      @Sanctjud ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Lawless4566 Grimaldus is not a Chapter Master or Captain, the secondary characters cannot attach to his unit to take the infiltrate enhancement. But, Helbrecht and a Castellen is possible.

    • @mobisev
      @mobisev ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, you can't scout with them unless the character attached also has scout, just fyi

  • @dantejrl
    @dantejrl ปีที่แล้ว

    i just notice an important thing with gladiator lancer : for re rolls, it's an "and" and not a "or" as ironstorm detachment 😱

    • @mobisev
      @mobisev ปีที่แล้ว

      correct

  • @christopherhughes7970
    @christopherhughes7970 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the detachment I decided to go with. A blob of sneaky centurion devastators that can kill a tank, disappear then show up somewhere else and kill a tank is just to funny. I’m thinking infiltrate on blade guard with a judicar to jam up my opponent with fight first while my scouts, eliminators, incursors, warsuits flood the board and sabotage objectives if they shoot at me the warsuits shoot back, if they try to charge I back up, all while my ranged units dismantle them while my sticky objectives score.

    • @Sanctjud
      @Sanctjud ปีที่แล้ว

      I look forward to picking up Inceptors again and throwing them down again without playing Deathwatch.

  • @archonwut1624
    @archonwut1624 ปีที่แล้ว

    By far my favorite detachment for my Raven Guard. Honestly this detachment feels like space marines playing as eldar, there is sooo much just annoying stuff that your opponent just can’t deal with and I love it. Can’t wait to make people rage over Shrike and his jump pack homies you just can’t shoot or charge

  • @Raptorschapter
    @Raptorschapter ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that if we use a Phobos only army, the enhancements becomes quite redundant, cause Phobos characters already have them.

  • @jwalk0094
    @jwalk0094 ปีที่แล้ว

    How will the benefit of cover work against an enemy that negates cover like T'au's markerlight keyword? What rule would trump the other?

  • @mattkeepingazoriustactical
    @mattkeepingazoriustactical ปีที่แล้ว

    20 man Primaris Crusader Squad with Grimaldus and the Infiltrators rule? Yes please.

    • @Sanctjud
      @Sanctjud ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can't do that. Grim's keywords prevent him from having a second character join his unit. Though you can do other character combo's that have a Captain/Chapter Master + Castellen/Lt/Apoth(if applicable)

    • @mattkeepingazoriustactical
      @mattkeepingazoriustactical ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sanctjud I forgot. Well, maybe a Castellan could join?

  • @JoeSpoors
    @JoeSpoors ปีที่แล้ว

    Using vanguard spearhead and shrike, what would be best to run with him, the new jump pack boys or vanvets?

    • @FuriousWojtek
      @FuriousWojtek ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd say new Jump Assaults. They're cheaper and hit harder funnily enough and can dish out mortals. They don't get the 4+ invul but who cares when they hit harder and are cheaper.

  • @fearthedark442
    @fearthedark442 ปีที่แล้ว

    as allways with the new codex, Space Wolves for the win, Ragnar+6 Bladeguard+Leutnant or Ancient with Blade drifen deep enhancement riding in a Land Raider Redeemer up front with 2 extra squads of Eliminators as charge protection with the Calculated Feint strat. Put Logan on Stormrider with full Thunderwolves in Reserve... Good Hunting Sons of Russ

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think this is the biggest problem with the detachment system. Codex compliant chapters have smaller rosters and their non-compliant peers can do everything they can do and more, with unique detachments and unit options. Codex compliant chapters need more benefits or non-compliant chapters need a downside for taking Codex detachments or something.

    • @peters6345
      @peters6345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnj.spurgin7037 exactly it really sucks codex complaint chapters are simply worse in their own book

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 ปีที่แล้ว

      @peters6345 agreed. Maybe if the compliant chapters had more unique units, or non-compliant lost a buff?

    • @JamalamsTheMagpie
      @JamalamsTheMagpie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Landraider isn't a dedicated transport though so can't gain infiltrate from the unit inside, right?

  • @OwenLeBlanc-l7h
    @OwenLeBlanc-l7h ปีที่แล้ว

    I like it, although I could see the rule redundancy meaning it won't be the optimal way to play space marines. Should be powerful enough to be decent though.

  • @vexiluspraetor6851
    @vexiluspraetor6851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll deploy 3 of my 3 spectrus KT to support phobos units from other chapters xd

    • @georgehutley
      @georgehutley ปีที่แล้ว

      Why not infiltrafe a proteus kill team. Thats what ill be doing

  • @LongLe-wx8gb
    @LongLe-wx8gb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if Ironstorm will still be more competitive overall than vanguard.

    • @tdstds9346
      @tdstds9346 ปีที่แล้ว

      It will. Vanguard has fun deployment & movement shenanigans, but the Ironstorm has more offensive capabilities to actually win games. Similar to Anvil.

  • @GveDavid
    @GveDavid ปีที่แล้ว

    Calgar, eradicators forward deployed in cover 👍

  • @Gutterman-tn2ry
    @Gutterman-tn2ry ปีที่แล้ว

    So looking at the army, it seems like this detachment really likes to focus on deep striking and jumping around. Because of that, finding sources of +1 to charge or reroll charges innately is quite important. It does mean that they can score secondaries consistently even if your callidus or combi-weapon lieutenant gets sniped (a big focus for a lot of lists these days).
    I do think they do the boltstorm aggressor bomb with biologis really good. You aren't using it for the entire game, but as something to shove down your opponent's throat turn 1 and then distract them for turn 2 it works quite well, gives you time to demo charge midfield objectives and get your shooting pieces into their firing lanes (which you can just sit out in the open on thanks to the cover). Very terrain dependent, but if you can place first floor line of sight blocking terrain in the midfield this detachment jumps an entire tier.
    I think a mix of hellblasters, some aggressors+biologis, shrike+10x jumps, a callidus, and 2x5 scouts along with whatever pieces of kit fit your local meta can make a vicious list (especially if you throw in redemptors or ballistus). Reserve eradicators also works amazingly well, walk them up, fire away, jump them back into reserves to another flank.

  • @mortenbrandtjensen6470
    @mortenbrandtjensen6470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am curious to see what the Lt. in phobos armour leading reavers can do in Vanguard Spearhead...

    • @Strigon_Actual
      @Strigon_Actual ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nothing special considering Reivers still suck.

    • @william9557
      @william9557 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Strigon_Actuallethal precision hits isn't anything to scoff at
      Deepstrike, shoot, move d6", charge, break morale

    • @Strigon_Actual
      @Strigon_Actual ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@william9557 Battleshock is a terribly-written mechanic and "break morale" isn't as good as you think it is. Lethal hits is a great keyword... just not on Reivers. No one has much concern for S4 AP0 combat knives or S4 AP-1 bolt pistols. There are so many decent units in the codex to spend points on but Reivers aren't one of them.

    • @jonno8618
      @jonno8618 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do love my reivers, but god damn I can't find a good use for them except jumping in for a secondary. They just can not reliably kill anything more than T3 enemy.

  • @andrewbakescakes9684
    @andrewbakescakes9684 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Snikrot looking WAY over-costed now.

  • @harley4683
    @harley4683 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty sure I'm gonna try this for my Black Templar. To keep me on the board until I chainsword you into oblivion

  • @buenoflex
    @buenoflex ปีที่แล้ว

    no reiver ?....ok ok, I'm already outside.

  • @asterkeks1755
    @asterkeks1755 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone have the exact text of the Guerilla Tactics strategems? If it is "Two phobos units or one other infantery unit" then it could be used to redeploy two invictor tactical warsuits. Those have the Phobos keyword for some reasons, at least on the index cards
    Also: that MIGHT not be an accident considering they just happened to put two of those into the raven guard strike force box on christmas
    Also: they are very fun with the Tank Shock strategem. 15 dice, 5+ for mortals, 6 at most tho.
    On that note: you can also use the captain in phobos armor redeploys on them.
    "Why do I have 3 almost dreanoughts, a bunch of phobos units and a block of terminators in front of my deployment zone turn 1?" "Scouts 8, They are Phobos, and the blade driven deep" "And if I had gotten turn 1?" "See that guy? He can make them go poof if you did."

  • @Scout703
    @Scout703 ปีที่แล้ว

    And I’m sitting on Raven Guard boxset.

  • @MrDarkbrice
    @MrDarkbrice ปีที่แล้ว

    I see 70 pts for the librarian phobos on the dataslate, not 65.

  • @GaryP336
    @GaryP336 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do people keep saying shrike has the phobos keyword?

    • @James-tu8on
      @James-tu8on ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It got added in the new codex

    • @short_yeti2058
      @short_yeti2058 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It got added back in the codex, he had it in 9th.

  • @MrFiremagnet
    @MrFiremagnet 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It can stealthy drain your wallet and leave nothing on the place where damage was supposed to go.

  • @NecroGoblin-yl2fx
    @NecroGoblin-yl2fx ปีที่แล้ว

    not gonna use it, but hey i have always been an iron hand guy and i will be using vehicles in one list and gravis in the other one.

  • @TacDonut
    @TacDonut 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m gonna paint my marines army as alpha legion and use this detachment, because lmao I am Alpharius

  • @shanelewis7052
    @shanelewis7052 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes me wish I had some Ravenwing!

    • @Sanctjud
      @Sanctjud ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't need to be Ravenwing to use this detachment!

    • @artklaah
      @artklaah ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would it help RW? (new here)

  • @Tropicoboy
    @Tropicoboy ปีที่แล้ว

    Time to play warhammer by not playing warhammer with Vanguard detachment

  • @Damnedlegion40k
    @Damnedlegion40k ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @philurbaniak1811
    @philurbaniak1811 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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