I want to run them in my Vanguard list but I'm afraid of spending $150 on the GW models because they'll probably go to Legends soon. I'm thinking of just strapping lascannons on some 3D printed Aggressors with 50mm bases and calling it a day.
I'm not a fan of how most competitive space marine lists include a significant portion of tanks. I imagined Space Marines as elite infantry but said infantry feels lackluster.
This is more of a result of the current edition being the vehicle edition from the toughnes decompression increasing tank durability accross the board. Every faction is experiencing this to some degree with only factions that outright lack vehicles being immune or experiencing a different issue
I somewhat agree, in that I got into Space Marines because of the fantasy of running relatively fewer numbers of elite infantry that could handle dangerous missions (with maybe 1-2 vehicles as pure support in the backfield). Sadly the game rules have made marine profiles far more squishy than the fantasy would lead you to believe, and so many competitive lists have to either bring in tons of heavy armor to give the army more durability or rely on sheer quantity and flood the board with power armored bodies. If I am forced to pick between these two options to have even a chance at victory, I will take a few more tanks over tons of additional infantry models that need to be painted and transported.
Really a big fan of this video. I’d rate it as strong. I will make some use of the usable Space Marine data sheets as well. Would have liked a roll-up or snapshot of all of them in one look.
I always run some Suppressors with my Raptors. Put them far away with clean lines of sight and up high, at least 6" to get Plunging Fire to add that +1 AP.
Brother picked them up recently for his Vanguard Spearhead Space Sharks; the +1 BS & AP stratagem pairs nicely with zooming to the top of a ruin from behind it
I stack mine with a storm speeder; either +1AP or +1 to wound makes the autocannons surprisingly effective, and is pretty useful when you just need to stack wounds against invulns
For Tactical Squads, don't forget that you can take 2x Special Weapons. Plasma Pistol, Powerfist, 2x Plasmaguns, Firestorm Assault force, Lieutenant, + rapid fire range, pretty devastating
Isn't the plasma cannon better in almost all situations? >12" always more shots+blast makes up for -1BS? I don't see 2 plasmas being better except for profile convenience.
@@markazadetheres the heavy modifier and the blast radius to consider, generally I agree but I can imagine situations where you'd probably just get more mileage out of the 2 plasma guns
I take boltgun & heavy bolter on my squads, but I'll admit plasma gun & cannon is very good for anti-tough-infantry. 1 squad stays together with a captain, lieutenant & rhino while the others split up, stand on circles, screen and do actions.
Thank you for this video Auspex. It's good to see a 40k video that acknowledges that you're sometimes stuck with what you have and need to make the most of it, rather than constantly spending money on the meta. Obviously a couple of pints changes but still very useful to think about battlefield role!
I really don't get why none of the Ancients have any aura abilities. Only affecting their current squad and, after they are wiped and the Ancient is the last man standing, only buffing him instead of motivating his surrounding allies, is so stupid.
I'm fine with aura abilities becoming rare, stacking bubble buffs got stupid. Just need to make his abilities you know.. good. I love the models and idea but they only time I take one is Company Heroes where he's 'free'.
Remember that the Landr Raider Crusader and Redeemers both have Grenades and 2 extra inches of movement. Grenades is so-so, but 2 inches more on an assault vehicle is fantastic
@@JonathanCrane82 You're not wrong. For a few more points the LT bring a fair bit of CC power and fall back insurance which is definitely worth it though
I know its detachment specific but i like using 2 Invictor Warsuits cause theres a strat that allows you to take both of them off the field into reserves at the end of enemy fight phase. it says 2 phobos and/or scout or one infantry. since the warsuits have keyword phobos they are targetable. bounce them around slaughtering infantry.
Honestly vanguard is way too overlooked as a detachment. Infiltrate takes aggressors from being decent to an insane threat. Units can just be plucked from the board. Straight up CP denial. Then I run an executioner as a fire support mega battle tank with encursors inside to give it scout so I can stay stationary in move phase and hit big gun on 2+
Have you tried this out yet? I noticed that keyword synergy but feel like they just don't have enough killing power for their cost. I could be 100% wrong though.
A well forgotten but essential use for all space marine units - as base/model decorations/trophies for Drukhari, Ork, Necron flayer/Destroyer, and Tyranid gore models!
Outriders are also very good in blood angels, in units of 3 youve got strength 6 chainswords on the charge, and the big base sizes allow you to basically block a lane which is really useful for 80 points
What revivers need is to have their weapon options combined. So you get the knives, pistol and bolter all at once. That turns them from weaker ranged Phobos troops or weaker assault/jump intercessors into a flexible and versatile disruptive force that can do well into most infantry. This would make them similar to chosen from csm but with less power in favour of the grav shoots
I like my Hellblasters in the Dark Angels Deathwing detachment led by an apothecary with the Stubborn Tenacity enhancement for the +1 to hit and situational +1 to wound
I know it would probably be A LOT of work, but I think a series in this style for other factions would be really cool and useful to newer players like myself trying to get more familiar with the different rosters.
Funny Hammerfall Bunker interaction that I think works. Use it in The Unforgiven Task Force. Sit it on your home objective and use the detachment rule to give 1 1 OC a turn. If it somegets battleshocked it still gets 1 OC a turn. If I'm wrong I apologize but I think it will work and gives me a chuckle thinking about it.
This is a bit overkill but I tried a Repulsor Executioner in Anvil Siege Force. It sat still for a turn and then I used Battle Drill Recall on it. Gave it Sustained Hits 1 on all of its guns and crits on 5. That is on top of the +1 to hit and wound. Lancer or Executioner is likely going to want to stay still in your deployment zone and use their Laser destructors. Anvil Siege Force is pretty good for heavy tanks. Some strong strategems work on vehicles.
You mentioned getting a +1 to wound with the executioner, is there a strat for that or something? I ask because the guns on most tanks don’t have the Heavy keyword so the Anvil detachment ability wouldn’t give it +1 to wound, only to hit.
I feel like the truly scariest centurion devastation unit is the grav cannon and hurricane bolters. And automatic 2+ to damage vehicles makes them scary even with an so of only -1, and the bolters lets them chew up infantry, the worst part of the deal is getting them in range without getting shot.
How do HI’s get crits on 5’s with a lieutenant? I haven’t seen anything about modifying crits with that, just +1 to hit and wound but you’re still crit’ing on 6s only
Personally, I build a list for casual play. Meaning I build my army like it's 1998, aka 3rd edition, so I have a lot of various infantry units. That said, this is a great breakdown of the generic Space Marines units.
Suppressors should be turned into a Kill Team. That way, GW can get rid of the old kit and give people a way to get them, while also expanding their options.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Maybe not vanguard vets, but yes I agree. A jump pack Astartes kill team would be amazing, but I just feel like Suppressors (being Phobos armor and all) fit the stealthy special ops feel of KT more than Jump Pack Intercessors. Also, Jump Pack Intercessors would feel a lot like a rehashed AoD.
@LordCrate-du8zm if not vanguard vets (which - fair enough, I feel like Deathwatch should only have access to kill teams, characters, vehicles, and veteran units), perhaps Junp Pack Intercessors? It's sort of a thing that kill teams are supposed to be a mix of melee and Ranged units. I'd love too see a Furor (terminator) Kill Team as well instead of just terminator units. I homebrewed datasheets for them all already, but actual kits and product would be nice y'know? I play on TTSim so I don't model I'm afraid. It's too expensive for my broke arse.
Great video, but I feel that some of these units will be graded differently after the points update next week. And just remember, folks. The strongest unit in the weakest codex is still only mediocre.
Suppressors.... 48" rg is what keeps them safe. they are a cheapish backfield (objective holder/ deepstrike blocker) that can laydown some decent firepower and a very useful debuff. They can also be a fast moving objective taker when you start to run short of objective holders late in the game (turns 4-5). Sometimes I think your tactcal opinions are a little short sighted.
Suppressors have done well for me in every game I've brought them into. They always kill at least their own points worth of models, and usually hit hard enough that the enemy decides to focus on them instead of something more important.
I've wondered if you could run say 5 infernus marines in the same transport as blade guard or hell blasters. Screening with over watch threat or trading. You'd need a repulsor or LR but could be fun to try. I don't see a rule against but might be missing an FAQ
I’ve always wanted to try (if I had all the money in the world) A thunder hawk gunship, carrying 6 assault centurions. Uriel Ventris to give those centurions deepstrike (so they can charge out). With a bunch of assault Intercessors using the rest of the transport, or 12 blade gaurd that won’t get the charge.
Bringing a full 20man crusader squad giving them all boltguns minus their 2 special weapons and attaching a LT to give them lethals. Makes them good objective holders with decent shooting and melee.
Question for rule clarification: The ATVs can be taken in units of 1. Rule of 3 is only allowed 3 max. You said they can be attached to the bikes. Can they be attached to the bikes and exceed the rule of 3? Like if I had 3 lone unit ATVs and 3 units of bikes each with an ATV attached to have 6 atvs in total?
regarding infiltrators blocking teleport. I play with a 1ksons player and we are not 100% sure if they also block Umbralefic Crystal teleporting, as they only block units being set up from reserve, but umbralefic crystal just removes a unit from the battlefield and doesnt mention reserve in any way. I`d appreciate some input from more experienced players, as we are just getting into the hobby.
While setting up Reinforcement units, you will occasionally find that two rules cannot both apply - for example, when a unit is arriving using the Deep Strike ability (which allows it to be set up anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" away from all enemy units) but an enemy unit has a rule that prevents enemy Reinforcement units from being set up within 12". In such cases, rules limiting the placement of Reinforcement units take priority over rules that state where Reinforcement units can be placed.
TBH, i think tacticals are just as usable as normal intercessors. i usually take 2 battle line guys in my army. id rather take the tacicals cause of the special and heavy and just throw the other 5 as action monkies.
could i put 1 captain or chaptermaster, 1 lieutenant and 4 company heroes with an additional 3 bladeguard veterans with a Judiciar in a drop pod? im not quite sure if i am allowed to have mixed units in transports that deepstrike.
You can put whatever fits into homie. Don't matter what, so long as you don't go over the transport limit or use things that aren't allowed like gravis or termies
10 terminators with Chaplain for +1 wound - in ironstorm. Use stratagem for 5+ sustained hits (vs monsters/vehicles). The damage output is shocking (imo).
Oh yeah You could But then that's..... 1140 points. Youre better off grabbing, from Legends, a Spartan at 315 points. it's basically double the firepower of a regular land raider and has 28 spots So you can fit 6 centurions and still fit 5 termies, 5 jump pack or 10 marines
10 hellblasters with Azrael and a Lieutenant is ridiculous if you get crits. 6 eradicators? Goodbye. Meganobz at full power with a Big Mek? Goodbye. Sustained hits AND Lethal hits AND fire on death AND a 4+ invul AND free fall back, shoot and charge AND a 1 time use feel no pain against mortal wounds AND 0CP strat ability with Azrael. Easily the best 400 points I've ever spent!
I run my 10 man doomstack of Infernus Marines in a Drop Pod haha, when they least expect it you got 10 pyroblasters where there were none before, hell even got a win on VP bevause of that.
I have a question about the centurions. Even with ventris and vanguard spearhead. Is 6 really worth the price? Im asking because i was planning to use 3 dev centurions and replace the other 3 with repulsor executioner.
I’m a UM player and use Vanguard Spearhead with said Ventris+Dev Cent combo, it is unbelievably worth 370 points, you deep strike anywhere on the board, redeploy them for a CP and has the most efficient split fire imaginable, you can shoot down your oath target with the lascannons and then focus fire with your Dev Missiles on units (mainly infantry) that are on objectives as you get full rerolls if units are on objectives, pair that in with SFTS you hit on 2’s with -ap 3-4 on both weapons, 2+SV T7 and can walk into buildings, better than any tank we can get in Vanguard Spearhead UM
@@halobangout7095 thank you for the response. Do you think having 6 of them is worth the cost? Wouldn't 3 be enough, if I already play Balistus, Lancer and repulsor executioner? I'm glad I can finally ask someone 🙂
@@halobangout7095 vanguard spearhead. Currently I play Calgar with apothecary and 6 agresors infiltrating. Ventris with 6 bladeguards in impulsor. 5 intercesors, 2 squads of scouts, 5 assault intercesors with jump packs, 3 inceptors, Balistus dreadnought, repulsor executioner and gladiator lancer. So I was thinking that I would add 3 Dev centurions to deep strike but I won't have room for anything else, or I could have 6 of them instead of one anti tank vechicle. So I was hoping to get someone's opinion on it.
@@jakubpiotrovski6215 I have a 2K vanguard list that’s solid and has sorted me out in many of occasions; I use 4 characters: Calgar, Biologis (same reasons as you), Phobos Captain and the main man Ventris. The rest of the list is as follows: 2x Glad lancers 1x 6 Dev cents 1x Aintercessors 1x impulsor 2x Aintercessors with JP 2x scout squads 1x 6 aggressors 1x eliminator squad 1x infiltrator unit. They all hit the areas in vanguard I need, scouts, Aintercessors, Aintercessors with jp and the impulsor all do screening and secondaries for me and some skirmishing from the aintercessor units, the lancers are there for their only reason in anti tank, the dev cents are then followed up by going into what the lancers don’t pick off and what’s on objectives at the time if not they’ll take a good chunk out of if not delete something in sight, then guerrilla tactics them to DS them next turn or rapid ingress, infiltrators to help lock down the home objective from enemy DS, eliminators to provide anti infantry-light vehicle support and finally the aggressors to sit in an objective (compared to Gladius, they are much more passive in Vanguard).
MY BATTLE BROTHERS OF THE VANILLA CODEX! WOULD WE WANT OUR OLD OATH OF MOMENT? WOULD WE WANT ALL AVAILABLE CHAPTER MASTERS FOR EACH CHAPTER? I THINK YES WE DO!!!
So all the scouts got folded into one profile, since the new models are pretty much the same but taller. It affects the options a bit (only one sniper per squad, can mix and match the rest of their weapons)
Centurions: Useable.
You're goddamn right.
Hehe I’m the 69th like
When he said it I heard Von C's censor sound effect
I want to run them in my Vanguard list but I'm afraid of spending $150 on the GW models because they'll probably go to Legends soon.
I'm thinking of just strapping lascannons on some 3D printed Aggressors with 50mm bases and calling it a day.
As an Imperial Fists player - my only wish is that dev cents would get heavy keyword!
Dude we need more battle reports from you 🙏🙏
I'm not a fan of how most competitive space marine lists include a significant portion of tanks. I imagined Space Marines as elite infantry but said infantry feels lackluster.
Ok, Hitler.
Counter-arguement:
The Flesh is Weak
This is more of a result of the current edition being the vehicle edition from the toughnes decompression increasing tank durability accross the board. Every faction is experiencing this to some degree with only factions that outright lack vehicles being immune or experiencing a different issue
Counterpoint: tanks are fun :)
(although I agree their infantry could use a little boost)
I somewhat agree, in that I got into Space Marines because of the fantasy of running relatively fewer numbers of elite infantry that could handle dangerous missions (with maybe 1-2 vehicles as pure support in the backfield). Sadly the game rules have made marine profiles far more squishy than the fantasy would lead you to believe, and so many competitive lists have to either bring in tons of heavy armor to give the army more durability or rely on sheer quantity and flood the board with power armored bodies. If I am forced to pick between these two options to have even a chance at victory, I will take a few more tanks over tons of additional infantry models that need to be painted and transported.
Just came here to say omg the commitment to make a feature film talking about Space Marines 🤣
I have literally been trying to come up with a good space marine list today and you upload this. GET OUT OF MY HEAD AUSPEX
same))) very useful video right in time
you got anywhere? :D
@@totalnizmetek yes I think I have a decent list
@@zombiethezerker care to share? :D
@@totalnizmetek +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Imperial Fists
+ DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1995pts
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+ WARLORD: Char1: Apothecary Biologis
+ ENHANCEMENT: Fire Discipline (on Char1: Apothecary Biologis)
+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 15
+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 4 Characters - Cull The Horde: 1x5
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Char1: 1x Apothecary Biologis (85 pts): Warlord, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon
Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts)
Char2: 1x Apothecary Biologis (55 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon
Char3: 1x Captain in Gravis Armour (80 pts): Boltstorm Gauntlet, Power Fist, Relic Fist
Char4: 1x Lieutenant (65 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle
10x Heavy Intercessor Squad (200 pts)
• 1x Heavy Intercessor Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon
• 2x Heavy Intercessor: 2 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Bolter
• 7x Heavy Intercessors: 7 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Bolt Rifle
6x Aggressor Squad (240 pts): Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets, Fragstorm Grenade Launcher
• 1x Aggressor Sergeant: Twin Power Fist
• 5x Aggressors: 5 with Twin Power Fist
5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 pts)
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack
3 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Astartes Chainsword, Plasma Pistol
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist
5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 pts)
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack
3 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Astartes Chainsword, Plasma Pistol
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist
5x Hellblaster Squad (115 pts)
• 4x Hellblaster: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator
• 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Plasma Pistol
5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts)
• 4x Infiltrator
2 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
1 with Infiltrator Comms Array, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
1 with Helix Gauntlet, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
1x Gladiator Lancer (160 pts): Armoured Hull, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Lancer Laser Destroyer, 2x Storm Bolter
1x Gladiator Lancer (160 pts): Armoured Hull, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Lancer Laser Destroyer, 2x Storm Bolter
1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon
1x Redemptor Dreadnought (210 pts): Redemptor Fist, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Twin Storm Bolter
1x Impulsor (80 pts): Armoured Hull, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Bellicatus Missile Array, 2 Storm Bolters
God damn, at this rate Im gonna be mid game and be able to look up the exact board state with how much and fast this channel uploads
You can't convince me that the squad-locking captains by loadout isn't one of the stupidest ideas in this Codex
Really a big fan of this video. I’d rate it as strong. I will make some use of the usable Space Marine data sheets as well. Would have liked a roll-up or snapshot of all of them in one look.
I always run some Suppressors with my Raptors. Put them far away with clean lines of sight and up high, at least 6" to get Plunging Fire to add that +1 AP.
Brother picked them up recently for his Vanguard Spearhead Space Sharks; the +1 BS & AP stratagem pairs nicely with zooming to the top of a ruin from behind it
I stack mine with a storm speeder; either +1AP or +1 to wound makes the autocannons surprisingly effective, and is pretty useful when you just need to stack wounds against invulns
Holy crap Auspex! The amount of effort and time that went into this video is extraordinary. Thank you for all you do.❤
Much appreciaction for the amount of work you put into your videos!
No sleep for Mr. Auspex
For Tactical Squads, don't forget that you can take 2x Special Weapons. Plasma Pistol, Powerfist, 2x Plasmaguns, Firestorm Assault force, Lieutenant, + rapid fire range, pretty devastating
Isn't the plasma cannon better in almost all situations? >12" always more shots+blast makes up for -1BS? I don't see 2 plasmas being better except for profile convenience.
@@markazadetheres the heavy modifier and the blast radius to consider, generally I agree but I can imagine situations where you'd probably just get more mileage out of the 2 plasma guns
I take boltgun & heavy bolter on my squads, but I'll admit plasma gun & cannon is very good for anti-tough-infantry. 1 squad stays together with a captain, lieutenant & rhino while the others split up, stand on circles, screen and do actions.
Thank you for this video Auspex. It's good to see a 40k video that acknowledges that you're sometimes stuck with what you have and need to make the most of it, rather than constantly spending money on the meta. Obviously a couple of pints changes but still very useful to think about battlefield role!
I really don't get why none of the Ancients have any aura abilities. Only affecting their current squad and, after they are wiped and the Ancient is the last man standing, only buffing him instead of motivating his surrounding allies, is so stupid.
I'm fine with aura abilities becoming rare, stacking bubble buffs got stupid.
Just need to make his abilities you know.. good. I love the models and idea but they only time I take one is Company Heroes where he's 'free'.
Agreed even if it's not an amazing buff. All units within 6 or 9 inchs from the banner reroll battle shock would make sense.
Remember that the Landr Raider Crusader and Redeemers both have Grenades and 2 extra inches of movement. Grenades is so-so, but 2 inches more on an assault vehicle is fantastic
Can we get this but for CSM next please?
Yeah would definately be cool to see. Also less than half the length! 😅
@@keyanklupacs6333 lol yeah thats true
HERASY
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't lead Heavy Intercessors with a Lieutenant. You might be thinking of an Apothecary Biologis.
Correct there is no gravis LT (yet)
@frostypineapple what I wouldn't give for one
Biologist is basically an LT in different armor. Same abilities, to my eyes.
@@JonathanCrane82 true but I think missing fall back+shoot and charge is a big difference. That could push aggressors way higher I think
@@JonathanCrane82 You're not wrong.
For a few more points the LT bring a fair bit of CC power and fall back insurance which is definitely worth it though
I know its detachment specific but i like using 2 Invictor Warsuits cause theres a strat that allows you to take both of them off the field into reserves at the end of enemy fight phase. it says 2 phobos and/or scout or one infantry. since the warsuits have keyword phobos they are targetable. bounce them around slaughtering infantry.
Honestly vanguard is way too overlooked as a detachment. Infiltrate takes aggressors from being decent to an insane threat. Units can just be plucked from the board. Straight up CP denial. Then I run an executioner as a fire support mega battle tank with encursors inside to give it scout so I can stay stationary in move phase and hit big gun on 2+
Have you tried this out yet? I noticed that keyword synergy but feel like they just don't have enough killing power for their cost. I could be 100% wrong though.
A well forgotten but essential use for all space marine units - as base/model decorations/trophies for Drukhari, Ork, Necron flayer/Destroyer, and Tyranid gore models!
That’s literally what I use my ultramarine transfers for haha
Any Ork Stompa/Gargant that uses a Rhino as a literal tank hammer always makes me smile.
Sleep is heresy, apparently
Lore accurate
Very detailed and thorough video. Thank you.
ooh i like this new analysis format!
Yes, super long Auspex video, let's go!
I'm only at the start but I hope the omnissiah blesses this video through the algorithm enough for you to keep making more for different factions!
This is honest to god a perfect guide, thank you!
As a new player, this will be super useful! Thanks!!
hugely useful video for this newbie. thanks much
Outriders are also very good in blood angels, in units of 3 youve got strength 6 chainswords on the charge, and the big base sizes allow you to basically block a lane which is really useful for 80 points
Well, that was pretty incredible, thank you
What revivers need is to have their weapon options combined. So you get the knives, pistol and bolter all at once. That turns them from weaker ranged Phobos troops or weaker assault/jump intercessors into a flexible and versatile disruptive force that can do well into most infantry. This would make them similar to chosen from csm but with less power in favour of the grav shoots
Given enough time, Auspex will become the Codex Astartes in video form
Reivers - just leave them on the shelf
Reavers - keep wishing they will one day be half as good as the space marine 2 class
@@mrcyberian9079 God I wish...
Drop them down to 50 points and we can talk, GW
Even if they were made free, they'd cost two points too many.
Use them as bits for other units, like Jump Pack Intercessors with Reiver bodies, killer look.
Amazing video! Really top notch!
Considering the Invictor warsuit for my Ravenguard phobos list. I think it'll be fun as big scout ^^
Thank you very much. If you would ever think of doing another video like this, I would like to see Death Guard.
I like my Hellblasters in the Dark Angels Deathwing detachment led by an apothecary with the Stubborn Tenacity enhancement for the +1 to hit and situational +1 to wound
I know it would probably be A LOT of work, but I think a series in this style for other factions would be really cool and useful to newer players like myself trying to get more familiar with the different rosters.
Company Heroes + Calgar, a beast unit for holding mid board objectives
I feel like Smoke is generally undervalued on Firstborn vehicules
I guess it's because cover is ubiquitous and people don't plan in advance to use smoke even when they should?
Funny Hammerfall Bunker interaction that I think works. Use it in The Unforgiven Task Force. Sit it on your home objective and use the detachment rule to give 1 1 OC a turn. If it somegets battleshocked it still gets 1 OC a turn. If I'm wrong I apologize but I think it will work and gives me a chuckle thinking about it.
Worth mentioning that Heavy Intercessors can't take a Lieutenant, but they can take an Apothecary Biologis to get those Lethal Hits back!
Love the gladiators for Templar builds
This is a bit overkill but I tried a Repulsor Executioner in Anvil Siege Force. It sat still for a turn and then I used Battle Drill Recall on it. Gave it Sustained Hits 1 on all of its guns and crits on 5. That is on top of the +1 to hit and wound. Lancer or Executioner is likely going to want to stay still in your deployment zone and use their Laser destructors. Anvil Siege Force is pretty good for heavy tanks. Some strong strategems work on vehicles.
You mentioned getting a +1 to wound with the executioner, is there a strat for that or something? I ask because the guns on most tanks don’t have the Heavy keyword so the Anvil detachment ability wouldn’t give it +1 to wound, only to hit.
The big gun has heavy.
@@nomassgoer8350 well shit... NewRecruit lied to me.
@@craigkenny37 and at S14, it's going to be wounding everything on 2s hehehheeh
@@craigkenny37 The Laser Destructor has heavy. So use that to snipe enemy armor from my deployment zone.
Just the video I needed before I add to my grey pile of shame :) looking at you DA christmas box
Gods work
Epic video! Thank you!
The fact the intercessers are so much better then in 9th is a good thing
Yeah all of them are at least solid and the jump ones are A++
I feel like the truly scariest centurion devastation unit is the grav cannon and hurricane bolters. And automatic 2+ to damage vehicles makes them scary even with an so of only -1, and the bolters lets them chew up infantry, the worst part of the deal is getting them in range without getting shot.
How do HI’s get crits on 5’s with a lieutenant? I haven’t seen anything about modifying crits with that, just +1 to hit and wound but you’re still crit’ing on 6s only
Personally, I build a list for casual play.
Meaning I build my army like it's 1998, aka 3rd edition, so I have a lot of various infantry units.
That said, this is a great breakdown of the generic Space Marines units.
Would love to see a Tyranid video like this
Suppressors should be turned into a Kill Team. That way, GW can get rid of the old kit and give people a way to get them, while also expanding their options.
They should lump suppressors, inceptors, and Vanguard vets into a jump-pack kill team.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Maybe not vanguard vets, but yes I agree. A jump pack Astartes kill team would be amazing, but I just feel like Suppressors (being Phobos armor and all) fit the stealthy special ops feel of KT more than Jump Pack Intercessors.
Also, Jump Pack Intercessors would feel a lot like a rehashed AoD.
@LordCrate-du8zm if not vanguard vets (which - fair enough, I feel like Deathwatch should only have access to kill teams, characters, vehicles, and veteran units), perhaps Junp Pack Intercessors? It's sort of a thing that kill teams are supposed to be a mix of melee and Ranged units. I'd love too see a Furor (terminator) Kill Team as well instead of just terminator units. I homebrewed datasheets for them all already, but actual kits and product would be nice y'know? I play on TTSim so I don't model I'm afraid. It's too expensive for my broke arse.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Wait, are you the guy who posted those homebrew Terminator rules for KT 21?
@LordCrate-du8zm I don't think so? The only termie statlines I've done is the Furor Kill Team I think.
Would love to see a video going over strong unit combos per army
would love one of these vids for chaos marines
Great video, but I feel that some of these units will be graded differently after the points update next week. And just remember, folks. The strongest unit in the weakest codex is still only mediocre.
Suppressors.... 48" rg is what keeps them safe. they are a cheapish backfield (objective holder/ deepstrike blocker) that can laydown some decent firepower and a very useful debuff. They can also be a fast moving objective taker when you start to run short of objective holders late in the game (turns 4-5). Sometimes I think your tactcal opinions are a little short sighted.
Suppressors have done well for me in every game I've brought them into. They always kill at least their own points worth of models, and usually hit hard enough that the enemy decides to focus on them instead of something more important.
amazing marine content, only the update balance of the next week revive our faction to be a more competitive in the tabletop.
Your comment has been noted, and nerfs are on the way.
I've wondered if you could run say 5 infernus marines in the same transport as blade guard or hell blasters. Screening with over watch threat or trading. You'd need a repulsor or LR but could be fun to try. I don't see a rule against but might be missing an FAQ
The chapter approves of this Vod'
Damn, I was really hoping the Astraeus would be much more useable - it just looks so dang cool!
It's like 15 pounds and 3 feet long
@@taffyadam6031 is it really? Those weapons profiles really are quite underwhelming, if so
@@ZaZi-Zeta01 the turret alone is longer than a questoris knight, yeah, it's absolutely massive
DO YOU SLEEP?
No really....
Thank you for content I am start playing wh and this is pure gold content to me
I’ve always wanted to try (if I had all the money in the world)
A thunder hawk gunship, carrying 6 assault centurions.
Uriel Ventris to give those centurions deepstrike (so they can charge out).
With a bunch of assault Intercessors using the rest of the transport, or 12 blade gaurd that won’t get the charge.
Ask your opponent to let you proxy a shoebox with THUNDERHAWK written on the side and live that dream
A thunder hawk tuah is what I'd call this combo
Bringing a full 20man crusader squad giving them all boltguns minus their 2 special weapons and attaching a LT to give them lethals. Makes them good objective holders with decent shooting and melee.
Question for rule clarification:
The ATVs can be taken in units of 1. Rule of 3 is only allowed 3 max.
You said they can be attached to the bikes.
Can they be attached to the bikes and exceed the rule of 3?
Like if I had 3 lone unit ATVs and 3 units of bikes each with an ATV attached to have 6 atvs in total?
i reckon you can have 6, when attatched to an outrider squad its still just "outrider squad" so i reckon ya could
Sorry I’m still fairly new but what do you have to do to have an apothecary/ lieutenant leading aggressors
regarding infiltrators blocking teleport. I play with a 1ksons player and we are not 100% sure if they also block Umbralefic Crystal teleporting, as they only block units being set up from reserve, but umbralefic crystal just removes a unit from the battlefield and doesnt mention reserve in any way. I`d appreciate some input from more experienced players, as we are just getting into the hobby.
While setting up Reinforcement units, you will occasionally find that two rules cannot both apply - for example, when a unit is arriving using the Deep Strike ability (which allows it to be set up anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" away from all enemy units) but an enemy unit has a rule that prevents enemy Reinforcement units from being set up within 12". In such cases, rules limiting the placement of Reinforcement units take priority over rules that state where Reinforcement units can be placed.
Librarian with that invulnerable save.
Apothecary with that shoot on death? If they had photos armor, like the heavy intercessors that could be soicy
Can the Invictor Warsuit use Vanguard's Guerrilla tactics
Yes. They have the phobos keyword and it's only limited to infantry if you don't pick something with scout or phobos
Are the Vanguard Vets assault squads in earlier editions?
Invader ATVs can shoot back if you shoot them. The ability work on themselves
I like the Whirlwind, so I'm sad it's weak. Though that won't stop me from using them to deliver the God Emperor's Wrath 😊
they need to bring back the old force organization charts
My suppressors are very effective at shutting terminators down
TBH, i think tacticals are just as usable as normal intercessors. i usually take 2 battle line guys in my army. id rather take the tacicals cause of the special and heavy and just throw the other 5 as action monkies.
Building my first SM army so videos like these are a huge help!
(hope you can get some rest though)
Can''t Reivers take both Grav chutes and grappling hooks?
could i put 1 captain or chaptermaster, 1 lieutenant and 4 company heroes with an additional 3 bladeguard veterans with a Judiciar in a drop pod? im not quite sure if i am allowed to have mixed units in transports that deepstrike.
I can't see any reason why not.
You can put whatever fits into homie. Don't matter what, so long as you don't go over the transport limit or use things that aren't allowed like gravis or termies
10 terminators with Chaplain for +1 wound - in ironstorm.
Use stratagem for 5+ sustained hits (vs monsters/vehicles). The damage output is shocking (imo).
Couple of Rhinos are good way to make tactical marines more valid?
Will you be doing this for any other armies? I really enjoyed this format.
Bro releases more videos then english teachers release babies
I don't get it.
@@andrewcrane5105 it is a stereotype that english teachers get pregnant alot
Desolation squad is weak? Good, I want to see as little on the table of them as possible!!!
Im really hoping they update the lieutenant datasheet to allow chainsword so titus can actually be playable
Noob here. Sorry for the dumb question but is the only read difference in the intercessor and assault intercessor models the weapons and poses?
No, also different abilities (special rules).
@@AnotherViewBot right but models wise they look basically the same just holding different weapons. Am I missing something?
Any reason the closed captions aren't working on this one? I really struggle to follow regional accents due to hearing loss...
do leaders get buffs from units ?
How can Inceptors return to reserves? Is it a stratagem? I don't see anything on their datasheet saying that
Only way I know is the Blood Angels 'Wings of Fire' detachment.
It's a vanguard strat.
Could you not put 6 centurion assualts into the thunderhawk and use Uriel to give them deepstrike?
Oh yeah
You could
But then that's..... 1140 points.
Youre better off grabbing, from Legends, a Spartan at 315 points.
it's basically double the firepower of a regular land raider and has 28 spots
So you can fit 6 centurions and still fit 5 termies, 5 jump pack or 10 marines
10 hellblasters with Azrael and a Lieutenant is ridiculous if you get crits. 6 eradicators? Goodbye. Meganobz at full power with a Big Mek? Goodbye. Sustained hits AND Lethal hits AND fire on death AND a 4+ invul AND free fall back, shoot and charge AND a 1 time use feel no pain against mortal wounds AND 0CP strat ability with Azrael. Easily the best 400 points I've ever spent!
I run my 10 man doomstack of Infernus Marines in a Drop Pod haha, when they least expect it you got 10 pyroblasters where there were none before, hell even got a win on VP bevause of that.
Aggressors!!!
With MC
I have a question about the centurions. Even with ventris and vanguard spearhead. Is 6 really worth the price? Im asking because i was planning to use 3 dev centurions and replace the other 3 with repulsor executioner.
I’m a UM player and use Vanguard Spearhead with said Ventris+Dev Cent combo, it is unbelievably worth 370 points, you deep strike anywhere on the board, redeploy them for a CP and has the most efficient split fire imaginable, you can shoot down your oath target with the lascannons and then focus fire with your Dev Missiles on units (mainly infantry) that are on objectives as you get full rerolls if units are on objectives, pair that in with SFTS you hit on 2’s with -ap 3-4 on both weapons, 2+SV T7 and can walk into buildings, better than any tank we can get in Vanguard Spearhead UM
@@halobangout7095 thank you for the response. Do you think having 6 of them is worth the cost? Wouldn't 3 be enough, if I already play Balistus, Lancer and repulsor executioner? I'm glad I can finally ask someone 🙂
@@jakubpiotrovski6215 what detachment do you play?
@@halobangout7095 vanguard spearhead. Currently I play Calgar with apothecary and 6 agresors infiltrating. Ventris with 6 bladeguards in impulsor. 5 intercesors, 2 squads of scouts, 5 assault intercesors with jump packs, 3 inceptors, Balistus dreadnought, repulsor executioner and gladiator lancer. So I was thinking that I would add 3 Dev centurions to deep strike but I won't have room for anything else, or I could have 6 of them instead of one anti tank vechicle. So I was hoping to get someone's opinion on it.
@@jakubpiotrovski6215 I have a 2K vanguard list that’s solid and has sorted me out in many of occasions; I use 4 characters: Calgar, Biologis (same reasons as you), Phobos Captain and the main man Ventris.
The rest of the list is as follows:
2x Glad lancers
1x 6 Dev cents
1x Aintercessors
1x impulsor
2x Aintercessors with JP
2x scout squads
1x 6 aggressors
1x eliminator squad
1x infiltrator unit.
They all hit the areas in vanguard I need, scouts, Aintercessors, Aintercessors with jp and the impulsor all do screening and secondaries for me and some skirmishing from the aintercessor units, the lancers are there for their only reason in anti tank, the dev cents are then followed up by going into what the lancers don’t pick off and what’s on objectives at the time if not they’ll take a good chunk out of if not delete something in sight, then guerrilla tactics them to DS them next turn or rapid ingress, infiltrators to help lock down the home objective from enemy DS, eliminators to provide anti infantry-light vehicle support and finally the aggressors to sit in an objective (compared to Gladius, they are much more passive in Vanguard).
I just used my Brutalis to arrive on the flank via Rapid Ingress on turn 2. The look on my opponent's face...
No venerable dreadnought and contempor dreadnought?
How ON EARTH did they let you talk so honestly about the mobile game sponsoring this???
Can we get One of these for Orks?
Love your vides. Could we get something like this for Orks sometime?
MY BATTLE BROTHERS OF THE VANILLA CODEX! WOULD WE WANT OUR OLD OATH OF MOMENT? WOULD WE WANT ALL AVAILABLE CHAPTER MASTERS FOR EACH CHAPTER? I THINK YES WE DO!!!
Tor Garadon, 6 Eradicators in a Repulsor is delicious.
And what about new scouts? Can't find it in this video(
So all the scouts got folded into one profile, since the new models are pretty much the same but taller.
It affects the options a bit (only one sniper per squad, can mix and match the rest of their weapons)