Father, the "ethnic" icon of the black Theotokos, is in fact a very old icon, is Our Lady of Częstochowa, and is not african but polish ( in fact, She is the patroness of Poland). Some scholars say it was brought to Jasna Gora from Constantinople via Belz during medieval times.
Yes I believe he sounds a bit too confident with himself. Definitely doesn’t make me any less self-conscious to be American, while listening to him. Thank you for the correction.
It is not Polish. The true origins of the icon are not known. There are many stories but one is that it was painted in Jerusalem around 326 and later taken to Constantinople@@jollygoodgordon5580
The Mother of Perpetual Help was originally a Cretan icon that has eventually evolved into a Latinized icon due to the restorations. But a genuine Cretan icon would typically look as if it was a person standing in a dark room with a candle in front of her, since there is very little light painting (huge emphasis on shadow). Our lady of Czestochowa is a Constantinopopitan icon that has also changed appearance due to restoration.
Great video. I had been wondering about the different styles of icons I had come across at various churches in my town over my past year of learning about Eastern Orthodoxy. Thank you.
I think the mosaic style icon comes from the Orthodox Byzantine tradition as well, since it is used in many ancient churches, and Hagia Sophia is the greatest example. I don’t know if I misunderstood something in the video about this style, I just thought I had to mention 😊
Is there a resource (website or book) that goes over all the styles in further detail that someone could recommend me? The icons are my favorite parts of Orthodoxy.
Absolutely captivating! Delving into the intriguing world of valid Latin-style icons mentioned here, I can't help but ponder: when did Western art take a detour from the Orthodox perspective? 🎨🤔 Could you kindly shed some light on this please? 🌟
Around the time of Giotto. Until about the 1200s, Italo-Byzantine iconography was still widely used. Duccio's Annunciation is a good example of the end of Byzantine influence in the West, I think
The way I understand it is that the Father may not be depicted on his own, but because the Son is depicted in the icon he has revealed the Father. Because Orthodox icons are used to depict spiritual truths rather than physical attributes,the Father is depicted as " The Ancient of Days"
The Orthodox Tradition is not monolithic or strict, but has some fluidity in itself. It was only forbidden by a local Russian Synod, but it has been depicted in some places, in different periods of time.
I have a question in, forgive me for my protestant ignorance, but why does so many of the images of Jesus as a child have Jesus was an adult face for the child’s body? I’m just curious about that.
3:28 needless to say that this icon is uncanonical, as it depicts God the Father. This is clearly a latin influence. God the Father is never depicted in Orthodox iconography.
It is depicted in some places and in different periods of time, though. It's not canonical in the Russian tradition, but that's not universally binding.
@robertafierro5592 In most Byzantine and Latin icons and paintings until the renaissance baby Jesus is depicted as a homunculus. I believe the rationale is that it’s supposed to represent that he is fully mature God even in an infant’s body. It is aesthetically very ugly imo and you can find very easily now canonical icons where this is much less prominent and even icons that depict Christ as a beautiful baby.
Father, the "ethnic" icon of the black Theotokos, is in fact a very old icon, is Our Lady of Częstochowa, and is not african but polish ( in fact, She is the patroness of Poland). Some scholars say it was brought to Jasna Gora from Constantinople via Belz during medieval times.
Yes I believe he sounds a bit too confident with himself. Definitely doesn’t make me any less self-conscious to be American, while listening to him. Thank you for the correction.
@sabrinatscha2554 your comment is quite out of place. If his explanation was in error do you not have any grace for him?
If she polish, why did they paint her as black?
It is not Polish.
The true origins of the icon are not known.
There are many stories but one is that it was painted in Jerusalem around 326 and later taken to Constantinople@@jollygoodgordon5580
@@jollygoodgordon5580she wasn't painted black. It is discolored from centuries of soot from candles and incense.
The Mother of Perpetual Help was originally a Cretan icon that has eventually evolved into a Latinized icon due to the restorations. But a genuine Cretan icon would typically look as if it was a person standing in a dark room with a candle in front of her, since there is very little light painting (huge emphasis on shadow).
Our lady of Czestochowa is a Constantinopopitan icon that has also changed appearance due to restoration.
Great video. I had been wondering about the different styles of icons I had come across at various churches in my town over my past year of learning about Eastern Orthodoxy. Thank you.
I think the mosaic style icon comes from the Orthodox Byzantine tradition as well, since it is used in many ancient churches, and Hagia Sophia is the greatest example.
I don’t know if I misunderstood something in the video about this style, I just thought I had to mention 😊
Isnt the black one the polish virgin of chestokowa? (However its spelled)
Our Lady of Czestochowa, indeed that is her.
Mosaic icons are the most beautiful in my opinion ☝️☦️
Thank you, that was very intersting!
Thank you it was interesting. additionally for African their are different types of icon special the one found in Ethiopia
Our pleasure! We may do a follow up in the future to expand on the topic!
Thank you for this.
Is there a resource (website or book) that goes over all the styles in further detail that someone could recommend me? The icons are my favorite parts of Orthodoxy.
Absolutely captivating! Delving into the intriguing world of valid Latin-style icons mentioned here, I can't help but ponder: when did Western art take a detour from the Orthodox perspective? 🎨🤔 Could you kindly shed some light on this please? 🌟
Around the time of Giotto. Until about the 1200s, Italo-Byzantine iconography was still widely used. Duccio's Annunciation is a good example of the end of Byzantine influence in the West, I think
Where can I buy Greek American icons?
Thank you
How about the Black Icons of Russia? Can someone explain how this came to be?
Father Angelo will be addressing your question in tonight's Orthodoxy Questions Answered livestream!
In the previous video we were taught that depicting The Father is not allowed... Why we see it here?
where is icon of Father depicted here
3:38 at the top
I wonder about the same
The way I understand it is that the Father may not be depicted on his own, but because the Son is depicted in the icon he has revealed the Father. Because Orthodox icons are used to depict spiritual truths rather than physical attributes,the Father is depicted as " The Ancient of Days"
The Orthodox Tradition is not monolithic or strict, but has some fluidity in itself. It was only forbidden by a local Russian Synod, but it has been depicted in some places, in different periods of time.
Lol, 4:29 it's Theotokos from Częstochowa, Poland, not Africa xD
lets goooo
Icône of Our Lady of Czestochowa is from Africa????
Isn't
I have a question in, forgive me for my protestant ignorance, but why does so many of the images of Jesus as a child have Jesus was an adult face for the child’s body? I’m just curious about that.
We have a weekly question/answer show every Thursday. I'll have Father answer this for you.
To show the maturity of Divinity in Him even as a child.
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Which ones are the real icons.
If by real you mean original, the earliest iconography is likely to be found in the eastern Orthodox churches.
3:28 needless to say that this icon is uncanonical, as it depicts God the Father. This is clearly a latin influence. God the Father is never depicted in Orthodox iconography.
It is depicted in some places and in different periods of time, though. It's not canonical in the Russian tradition, but that's not universally binding.
I herd that god the father is not supposed to be depicted in icons. that is not canonical.
That was a little shocking to me too.
I don't get that either
It was forbidden by a local Russian Council, but that's not universally accepted.
You cant depict the father or holy spirit
They always the paint Baby Jesus almost like a grotesque little human figure..almost like a stunted person..
I used to wonder about that too, but it’s on purpose. It’s apparently to show his wisdom and knowledge even as a young child.
He's perfect just way he is😂😂😂
I hate the way babies are constantly depicted..very rarely is Baby Jesus painted in a charming or beautiful baby like most babies look.
The purpose is not realism, but to show the maturity, wisdom and power of His Divinity even as a baby.
@robertafierro5592 In most Byzantine and Latin icons and paintings until the renaissance baby Jesus is depicted as a homunculus. I believe the rationale is that it’s supposed to represent that he is fully mature God even in an infant’s body. It is aesthetically very ugly imo and you can find very easily now canonical icons where this is much less prominent and even icons that depict Christ as a beautiful baby.