Greg, this is a terrifically important message and line of inquiry. You are connecting some dots that really need to be connected to stand up against the levelling, hollowing-out, Nehorite interpretations that are so attractive to the rising generations. Connecting agency with differentiation as per 2 Ne 2 and these with hierarchy and GBR or (Logos) in Abraham is profoundly important. This line of thought resonates profoundly with my research and writing in the history of political philosophy and ontology (or the way we understand Being, or the way things are).
Ralph, I'm wondering if you've heard of my grandfather who was a professor of religion at BYU for a couple decades. President Benson said that he understood the Book of Mormon better than any other man living during that time. He wrote dozens of books, essays, conference talks and church, institute, seminary and missionary discussion manuals, most of which he refused to have his name put on them. He was a religious scholar and a scriptorian. The Church and Deseret Book have the Rights to most of his work. He has excellent essays about the politics of the church and of Christ's Gospel, and much, much more. Look up Glenn L Pearson. Let me know if you heard of him or if you're able to find any of his stuff. He also wrote The Book of Mormon, Key to Conversion. It was the only book allowed in my mission that wasn't a church publication.
Greg, I’ve been watching your videos for awhile now. It’s hard for me to understand a lot of things. I have a humble testimony, but every time I listen to your presentations, I feel a peace come over me. I truly feel that’s the Spirit confirming to me truth. That means a lot as I’m trying to find my way back to the church. Thank you and God bless.
Although we hear a lot of DBR on being Peacemakers, I feel the need to take on the role of Gideon, even Captain Moroni. I was raised Catholic with the corrupt doctrine of the Trinity which is held as one of those mysteries that can never be understood. But my catholic mom said that she was told to name me Michael. I am the firstborn of 7 children. Michael the Archangel. It was meant for me to be a sword-bearer. You are a great role model for all of us who have been flattened, so to SPEAK, by being sheepish and nice peacemakers. I am praying for the gift of discernment along with the gift of preaching. Time to sharpen the sword and practice the bow. Thank You, Greg.
I'm glad someone is talking about the Kolob chapter. It is one of the most ignored pieces of scripture we have, yet it has so many deep lessons and truths embedded in it. Thank you for taking the time talk about it.
Your comments on DBR took me over to Romans 10: 13+. Priesthood is a patriarchal order, its job is to speak the word unto others that they can also receive and then speak them selves. This is first done in the house, parallel/complimentary/supplementary to the matriarchal order, where in both together raise children unto God. Second we reach beyond the house to those outside the family, and further as we are called to minister, according as our talents and abilities allow. So many through the ages miss that a covenant community is not meant to be a closed group, but open and ever expanding. A proper patriarchy is not an authoritarian power mongering structure of false priests and tyrant's, but a priesthood ministering to all.
Such great inside and wisdom!! Really puts issues of today in perspective. Once again I get frustrated like there’s an empathy, or tip of the cap, towards the woke in the Church by leadership. I wish things were taught like this more to put the Nehors of the Church to rest. Thanks so much!!
Abraham was describing the ancient order of planets that existed above the earth before the flood. The Book of Revelation is the story of the return of those planets to the earth in a polar configuration, prior to the return of Christ, as described in Abraham 3. The hypocephalus is a star map of that congregation, which is important since we will return to that system during the millennium. The Electric Universe theory (non-LDS) describes what the scriptures are explaining in detail, vindicating nearly everything Joseph Smith said about the cosmos. Their work is available at the Thunderbolt Project.
I'll edit my comment if you end up covering the same ground later in the video, but in the Church we generally understand that people should exercise righteous dominion. However, the moment anything comes up about how a father should lead his family in righteousness everyone falls apart and twists it into, "The Church is saying that men can be abusive and domineering to their wives and children!"
The false tradition is that the wife does not have an equal leadership role in the family. So the reality of husbands practicing unrighteous dominion comes from the attitude of entitlement, in that the husband feels entitled to have his wife go along with his final say, or that he is entitled to be accommodated. And when she doesn't take her "place" as the follower, (and he doesn't feel he needs to follow her equally in return) he gets upset and can be mean to show his disapproval, or try to shame her for not "obeying God." It's simply manipulation, and a misinterpretation of scripture and a misunderstanding of Priesthood.
I have never thought about the Patriarchy in this context, but I've always been a big fan of the true pattern of 'The Patriarchy.' The world has corrupted it. Excellent show!!! 👏👏
Love it. I believe listening to Bruce H Porters stuff prepared me best for the temple last year. My understanding of the scriptures and my spirituality has taken off.
Love it l!! DBR. Its in my notes now! Thanks Greg. I found Patriarchy in Helaman as well now that you made me see it! Heleman calls out the Nephites in the rejection of the eternal patriarchy. Helemam 13:38 But behold, your days of probation are past; ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation until it is everlastingly too late, and your destruction is made sure; yea, for ye have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head.
So important to understand. I feel like our modern English communication is devoid of symbolic speech and it makes it really easy for things like this to go over your head if you don’t take the time to study it. Thanks for giving me some help there.
When most of the church is brought down to believe in the doctrine of the Gadiantons. (Helaman 6:38) At that point we no longer serve the God of this land and we will be swept off. We cannot defend law if we don't recognize it or care to learn it. God can not restore our judges as at the first until we learn and love law.
Thank you for this program. I'm so glad it's on video because I'm going to be viewing it over and over and over again. It reminds me of how I used to read Elder Maxwell's talks. You do a wonderful job of explaining complicated topics in a simple enough way that with some studying they can be understood to some degree.
So we beat around the bush a bit there, but basically… Kolob is a reference or symbol of Christ yes? Nearest to God, governs all other stars, etc. So when we sing of hieing to Kolob we’re actually singing of coming to Christ. “If we could come completely to Christ in the twinkling of an eye, & then continue onward at the same speed, could we find out when Gods began to be?” Essentially teaching the doctrine that even if we came to be perfected in Christ in an instant, we will never discover when Gods began or where matter ends because everything is one eternal round & God’s works have no beginning or end.
Kolob Chiasmus: A1 - (2-3) many great ones, governing ones, great one nearest to me B1 - (4-9) two facts, one above another, one above them all nearest to the throne of God to govern all the others C1 - (10-11) throne of God, face to face D1 - (12) my son, my son, I will show you, multiplied D2 - (14-15) I will multiple thee, seed, show these things C2 - (16) the greater things are, the closer they are to the throne of God B2 - (17-21) two facts, one intelligence above another, one above them all, God, to rule over all other intelligences A2 - (22-24) many noble and great ones, these are the rulers, one above them all like unto God I think the apex is his promised blessing, because that has been the entire theme of Abraham so far. He is seeking the blessings of the fathers: the priesthood and to be a father of many nations (1:2). Every time the Lord talks to him, it is to grant him one of these promises: The priesthood 1:18 Land of inheritance and priesthood through his posterity, and A great nation (2:6-11) Specific land (2:19) Endless posterity (3:14) CFM Week 1: Moses 1; Abraham 3 Not Just Astronomy Going on Here… Stars are People! Yes, Abraham was being shown the cosmos. But he was being taught something else as well. Everything he was being taught about stars was equally applicable to people, or more specifically, the children of God. God first lays down some ground rules. These are key to understanding what He is about to teach Abraham. The best part is that He doesn’t even make it all that difficult to make the connection (though it took me long enough), because He lists them one right after another. Rule #1 for stars: “If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them” (v. 16) Rule #2 for stars: “Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it” (v. 17) Rule #1 for people: “also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other” (v. 18) Rule #2 for people: “These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.” (v. 19) The Lord also gives it to Abraham all in one breath, showing him the stars and telling him that Abraham’s seed will be like them: “And he said unto me: Kokaubeam, which signifies stars, or all the great lights, which were in the firmament of heaven. And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these” (vv. 13-14) So let’s look at some of the particular stars mentioned and see if we can’t find more parallels… “These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (v. 3) “Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (v. 9) “Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me.” (v. 16) Is there a particular person who is nigh unto the throne of God and is set to govern all those which belong to the same order as Abraham? Kolob is obviously being used as a metaphor for Christ. And I discovered a connection that I am sure will lead to the identification of a chiastic structure here, (I have top people working on it), but this identifies Jesus and the “noble and great ones” as Kolob and the governing stars… check it out! “I saw the STARS, that they were very great, and that ONE of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were MANY GREAT ONES which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the GOVERNING ONES; and the name of the GREAT ONE is Kolob, because it is near unto me,” (vv. 2-3) “Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the INTELLIGENCES that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and GREAT ONES; And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my RULERS; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born. And there stood ONE among them that was like unto God” (vv. 22-24) stars = intelligences many great ones = noble and great ones governing ones = my rulers Great one (Kolob) = Jesus Christ
This is correct. And it lines up perfectly with the beginning of our temple drama. Well said. Order is very important to truth, reality, priesthood, and the work and glory of God. It is also possible that Abraham is using Egyptian concepts to teach them this hierarchal structure of the DBR (Logos).
Great video! I really enjoyed it, and learned a few things. One minor correction that doesn't really matter to the overall context, but just for accuracy's sake; Gideon did not chase King Limhi in the Book of Mormon, but King Noah.
This is amazing. I’m going to have to listen more than once! I’ve actually been studying both the Pearl of Great Price as well as that Who Shall Ascend to the Hill of the Lord? book that you briefly mentioned, so this was a very timely episode for me. I feel the Pearl of Great Price was very much neglected in my education, and I’m grateful for your knowledge. Thank you!
The hierarchical structure ultimately will be based on the parent-child relationship, and grades of righteousness. Those who become sons and daughters of God are commanded to be "one", having all things common. Brothers and sisters, husband and wife, the body of Christ, all should become one and not placing one above the other. God is an all encompassing God that employs all principles. There are principles of hierarchy and order, and principles of unity and equity. The trick is finding the truth in the meshing of the two. All righteous principles can work together.
Wpw thank you. I will listen to this many times over. Learned so much just listening this first time. I never understoodabraham like this. Thank you for helping to open my eyes!
As we look at Abraham and Facsimile #2 we see what could be called the “light line of authority”. D&C 50:24 states that “that which is of God is light.” Passing that light through a prism we see it break down into the principles and ordinances of the Gospel. There are higher laws and lesser laws, higher principles and lower principles. As D&C 84:45 states: “word of the =truth, truth = light, light = spirit - even the spirit of Jesus Christ”. D&C 93:24 states that “Truth is knowledge of things as they are, and. as they were, and as they are to come”, but one does not receive a fullness of the truth unless as 93:27 states: “ he keepeth all the commandments.” So as Greg points out, there is a hierarchy in all things.
This video really hit deep for me. As someone who grew up within the ‘flattened church patriarchy’ I completely understand what people are missing without the fullness of Gods DBR. We really do need to speak up. This secular ideology is deep within the other Christian communities and they are falling further and further away from the truth.
Coal on the mouth is the "Opening of the Mouth Ceremony," cleansing the lips of the repentant yet highly sanctified disciple. They become a "Sent One" (Apostle in Greek) who will speak as if they were Christ, the Word.
Awesome upload Greg!! Level 3+ stuff. Careful... you just might see the finger of the Lord. :>) This discussion is going straight to favorites for recall and sharing !!
Excellent! We really appreciate you and how you are able to present, so clearly the true doctrines regarding Priesthood and DBR. May you and your family be blessed.😅
I know this is sort of off topic, but I've never thought of that Abrhamic scripture as a revelation and symbolically (shame on me). But that all of a sudden sounds awfully a lot like the degrees of glory and afterlife. There are three orders of Heaven (Telestial, Terest, Celest), but also sub heavens within each Kingdom. And the greater ones bring you closer to God and ultimately like him. Anyone else think it could apply like that?
When you look at the three facsimiles included in our Book of Abraham in order you can see the progression of an individual from a weak and fallen state to an exalted state. Within the last one you can also see intimations of the three degrees of glory.
What I find interesting is that the Lord is speaking to him in language he understands. This isn’t language WE understand completely. We must work out what is being shared. But because there’s understanding on that end, we must understand that there’s a lot of context we are never going to get because only the conversation alludes to it. That said, there’s still much we can gather here. 😁
"The system collapse becomes inevitable." It does in the situation of utopia; removed all obstacles, provide food. No need to compete and nothing to compete over or about.
It is so interesting how true order and doctrine frees mankind, while the bastardized order endlaves - the very thing we are being told is the fault of that true order. Coincidence? I think not.
Bruce Porter provides the notion that we (in the Church and as Children of Israel) are in a matrilineal patriarchy. Meaning that the matriarch chooses the future patriarch. He has some very good references regarding this concept. Maybe you can have Bruce on again (yay) and he can discuss this... 😇
Bishop hopefully will address that but you should bring it up to them as a concern that that is not what has been authorized and it is Willful activism
@@HomesliceDrummer i served my mission in argentina and got a lot of people to stop praying to mary. Come home last year and find out members have apostasized praying to HM. not good... i think some people are playing with fire...
I have been a member of the church for 34 years, and I am currently serving a senior mission in Panama. I had a hard time following this podcast. I need it explained to me in layman’s terms. What are you trying to say?? What specifically should I do with this information? Can you sum up this podcast by saying “follow the prophet”? I don’t get what the takeaway should be.
Certainly the K-12 space in education has more women in large measures due to the fact that education is not a great PRIMARY income! However, it is a great secondary income!😮
Any plan to reach out to David Alexander to maybe discuss how some of these deeper perspectives in the BOM and PGP may be imbeded in the NT but that isn't seen by our other Christian fellows?
Hi Greg, thank you for your explanation. I have a couple questions....When describing Kolob are you saying it is symbolic only or that Kolob is not just a location? Also, in regards to our role as members or the church or disciples of Jesus Christ I see a pattern that is hard to know where the line is.....We need to know truth and teach truth but I feel when Christ came he brought back the law and asks us to have the "Pure Love of Christ" or charity in order to enter the kingdom of Heaven. I can tell you focus on this but today the line between being right and having charity seems to be hard to see and even harder to develop because of the influence of many things. If we all focused on how to develop the pure love of Christ how would all of our words, lessons, thoughts and actions change? If you could do a podcast on that, especially on a time like today where chaos is everywhere that would be great. When we know truth and also choose to love despite that knowledge. I find this very challenging...Like the role of a bishop who may know things and is asked to love people back to church or activity. How do we develop Love like Christ in a time like today, despite our beliefs and differences? I struggle here for sure.
Good question on Kolob. I don’t know the answer to this, but if I were guessing I might say that Abraham was following some ancient Egyptian idea of the cosmos and then using a parallel with a priesthood structure. He is also making sure we understand that “stars” and the Council in Heaven are part of the gospel. This is contrary to the religion that took over at the time of Lehi.
The beautiful, wonderful, faithful women of the Church in Utah and Idaho defeated the ERA in 1978. That was the last time i can honestly say that the Women defended their role in the Kingdom of God. But now, it seems, they want to be men.
@@emh7956thank you for the reassurance. I guess I just live in the wrong place. I ask my daughters if they want to be ordained. They say "no." But I'm worried they will get the bug. Nobody around me can sense just how important the priesthood is.
What in the world is DBR?, I understand what you saying but I’m sorry but I’ve never heard of it before but I feel like you not giving background about who invented the term DBR of how it became to be a thing it is very confusing.
Thanks. That is correct. I finished this one at 5 am, I could have said “my grandma” by then. May not be the only mistake, haha. Thank you for watching!
@CwicShow Hey Greg, I've been listening to your channel for a little while now and you mention multiple books you recommend. Can you maybe do a video just on your book recommendations? I usually listen when I drive to work and can't write or remember the titles.
Those aren't courts of law. Those are special courts not of record. If the attorney has his way everything is Equity court because of contract and admiralty. That marriage license made the STATE OF UTAH one of your partners.
Btw, if you get unsealed to your wife, the wife gets the kids. They remain with her. Edit, not true. Kids are always sealed to their parents, even after divorce.
@@wendyenfield8890 apparently nobody knows the doctrine. Joseph Smith taught that celestial children of God would all be linked together by family bonds father to son, husband to wife. Obviously there will be many missing links that will be forged by God himself. If women are as righteous as they say (compared to man), the men will have many wives.
@@rolandsmith4394The accusation or assumption that women are more righteous always comes from men, presumably because they are trying to find a way to explain why there would be 1000 times more women in the Celestial Kingdom. I've never heard a woman say this, that women are more righteous then men.
@@ramsrnja 🤣"70 virgins" My wife tells me that she is more righteous all the time. But good point. Elder Holland has made a cottage industry out of belittling men. Hmm I'll have to think about that.
In the church I was only given male role models. Therefore I tried to copy them. I knocked over a table one time trying to be like Jesus 😂 and one time I went into a grove of trees to pray to see God like Joseph smith did. He didn’t show himself to me but right then my earthly father called to me that we were going to look at a house that we then moved into. While there, an evangelical preached to me about Jesus and I accepted Jesus as my savior for the first time.
Did you ever have a Primary President and her counselors? Did you have female Primary teachers? Did you have a Young Women's President and her counselors? Did you have any female Sunday School teachers? Did you know of the Relief Society President and her counselors? Did you have amazing women in your ward? Did you know of the Stake Primary Presidency, Young Women's Presidency, and Relief Society Presidency?
No. Did you listen to the podcast? DBR is a Hebrew word and the root of the several words it’s the Hebrew root of the word WORD, root of the word SPEAK, and the word ORDER. He gives the explanation at 9:59 in the podcast.
@@bethp8436 Thanks, I was just joking about Design Based Research. I guess I didn't pay attention that it was the Hebrew root of the words on the list.
found this at the jewish shop; The word dbr in Hebrew is a masculine noun. It comes from the root dr (dar) and means “pastor.” Shepherding is an activity that occurs throughout the Bible. In addition to being a general noun, the specialized noun dbr may also denote a feeding ground for sheep and lambs, as well as a verbal claim to pasture. Its use in the Bible is a metaphor for the holy book.
Why is the church so heavily involved in the religion of academia? Afterall, the church owns the universities that are teaching this other religion. TIthing money is used to pay some of these professors. Why do they not address this? Do something about it? So confused.
@@7dixiebug I don't understand what you're trying to say. God knows what He's doing. It's not our business how He runs His church. If you're confused and super hung up on it, pray and ask. Ponder and study and wait. Have faith. Everything is in His control.
Why can’t there be a word for a co-order of things? Husband and wife are to become one, so they serve together for their family as one in all things. If we had that beautiful paradigm, marriages and families would be much healthier and Heavenly Mother wouldn’t be nearly invisible.
I think it comes down to stewardship. Heavenly Mother would have been instrumental in creating our spirit bodies similar to earth mothers creating physical bodies. Yet men are needed to bring physical bodies back into the presence of God---that is their stewardship. I'm sure Heavenly Mother is aware of us and loving us from a distance and wants us to return just as earth mothers are aware and loving their kids who leave home to start their adult lives. I recommend looking into the ancient Asian custom of never speaking their mothers' name---many countries in that continent have this tradition. When you look at all the reasons why they do this from a gospel perspective it puts Heavenly Mother's "invisible" / absence in scripture in a very sweet and tender perspective.
@@amynazza thank you for your response. There’s just no scriptural reference to “men only are needed to bring physical bodies back into the presence of God.” It’s always men who say men do certain things and women do the motherhood stuff., even though many women never become mothers. My kids are grown and gone, but I am daily involved with them and their families. I am visible, to be sure. There isn’t any scripture that even says there is a Heavenly Mother, so it’s an LDS paradigm that says she’s too Holy to even speak of Her. It has been very sad that down through the ages, women weren’t allowed to own property until about 100 years ago, had no say in decisions, were considered too emotional to be able to make sound decisions, needed no education to “only waste it on motherhood,” couldn’t vote, couldn’t keep inherited land but had to give it to the husband, and weren’t accepted into medical schools. Women were considered inferior to, and less smart than men. Yet we know Heavenly Father did not create this paradigm-mortal men did. Women could have contributed so much to the world if they’d only been allowed to…if only they had that respect. Perhaps wars could have been prevented. Perhaps there would have been less pride, greed, and fewer secret combinations. I don’t think women should replace men, nor are they one bit better. Neither gender should dominate the other, but be one heart and one mind together. But I do believe they have so much to contribute when allowed to be evenly empowered and welcomed. In Zion, it seems they must be in order to be of one heart and one mind-you can’t leave their hearts and minds out and still be one. That’s why I wonder what a male-female-archy is called. Maybe a uniarchal society? Time will tell. Till then, we continue to abide and endure, hope and pray.
Agreed. There is no "patriarchy" or "matriarchy" in heaven according to modern-day definitions. Heaven is a parentarchy, or parent rule, with an equal patriarch and matriarch standing side by side. What men have argued for traditionally is a husbandarchy because they hold the Priesthood. But their priesthood gives them authority to bless the family, with the ordinances of the gospel, not to make all the decisions. This is what they preside over, the responsibility of giving gospel and priesthood blessings. Their priesthood office as an Elder for example is in regards to their duties in the church, but at home their office is father (King, Priest) and the wife's office is mother (Queen, Priestess).
@@CwicShow so easy to do! Love your videos. I like seeing other’s perception of gospel truths as it helps enrich and enlarge my perceptions. Thank you so much for dedicating time to these videos.
Lol, how fun. DBR, word, order, plant ... the sword of truth; the Word. The sword transformed into a plow share when it's time to break up that stony heart. Now that Word or seed of truth can be planted in the heart. The seed grows into the Tree of Life which the Mayans equated with the throne. Progression occurs as that tree grows. Nephi saw the pure fountain of water springing from the base of the tree of life. "Be ye clean, ye that bear the vessels of the Lord." So as we follow the Covenant Path, our tree progresses until we are purified vessels, Then, "out of his bellly shall flow rivers of living waters." We are sanctified to the degree of becoming an Adam or Eve. We follow the pattern of becoming a tree of life with the living waters springing up to pour out from our hand to bless others.
You can't have a patriarchy without a matriarchy standing equally beside him. What we need to get away from is husbandarchy. We need to stop using the word patriarchy. It's not a word used in scripture.
It is semantics. Get rid of 'patriarchy' and you'll have something equally or more distasteful to you. Better to enlarge understanding so that patriarchy and matriarchy are not confused or abusive.
@@rolandsmith4394 One of our prophets cleared it up. Can't remember which one at the moment, said that the "Patriarchal order" refers to the Priesthood passed down from Father to son, and that is why they call it Patriarchal, because of how it is passed down. But the order is the Endowment, which bestows men and women the promise of becoming Kings and Queens, Priests and Priestesss, what is essentially Patriarchal and Matriarchal Priesthood.
@@amynazza patriarchy and matriarchy refer to father and mother rule. Fathers and mothers both rule over their children equally. But the terms have been misused to mean the Father rules over the Mother or vice versa. That's why I think as church members using those words isn't helpful, and we should stick to what we have in our scripture as far as how we talk about things.
Greg, this is a terrifically important message and line of inquiry. You are connecting some dots that really need to be connected to stand up against the levelling, hollowing-out, Nehorite interpretations that are so attractive to the rising generations. Connecting agency with differentiation as per 2 Ne 2 and these with hierarchy and GBR or (Logos) in Abraham is profoundly important. This line of thought resonates profoundly with my research and writing in the history of political philosophy and ontology (or the way we understand Being, or the way things are).
Thanks Ralph,means a lot coming from you. We’ll need to talk more about this.
Ralph, I'm wondering if you've heard of my grandfather who was a professor of religion at BYU for a couple decades.
President Benson said that he understood the Book of Mormon better than any other man living during that time.
He wrote dozens of books, essays, conference talks and church, institute, seminary and missionary discussion manuals, most of which he refused to have his name put on them.
He was a religious scholar and a scriptorian.
The Church and Deseret Book have the Rights to most of his work.
He has excellent essays about the politics of the church and of Christ's Gospel, and much, much more.
Look up Glenn L Pearson.
Let me know if you heard of him or if you're able to find any of his stuff.
He also wrote The Book of Mormon, Key to Conversion.
It was the only book allowed in my mission that wasn't a church publication.
Greg, I’ve been watching your videos for awhile now. It’s hard for me to understand a lot of things. I have a humble testimony, but every time I listen to your presentations, I feel a peace come over me. I truly feel that’s the Spirit confirming to me truth. That means a lot as I’m trying to find my way back to the church. Thank you and God bless.
I appreciate this. Thank you.
Although we hear a lot of DBR on being Peacemakers, I feel the need to take on the role of Gideon, even Captain Moroni. I was raised Catholic with the corrupt doctrine of the Trinity which is held as one of those mysteries that can never be understood. But my catholic mom said that she was told to name me Michael. I am the firstborn of 7 children. Michael the Archangel. It was meant for me to be a sword-bearer. You are a great role model for all of us who have been flattened, so to SPEAK, by being sheepish and nice peacemakers. I am praying for the gift of discernment along with the gift of preaching. Time to sharpen the sword and practice the bow. Thank You, Greg.
I'm glad someone is talking about the Kolob chapter. It is one of the most ignored pieces of scripture we have, yet it has so many deep lessons and truths embedded in it. Thank you for taking the time talk about it.
Agreed!
Your comments on DBR took me over to Romans 10: 13+. Priesthood is a patriarchal order, its job is to speak the word unto others that they can also receive and then speak them selves. This is first done in the house, parallel/complimentary/supplementary to the matriarchal order, where in both together raise children unto God. Second we reach beyond the house to those outside the family, and further as we are called to minister, according as our talents and abilities allow.
So many through the ages miss that a covenant community is not meant to be a closed group, but open and ever expanding. A proper patriarchy is not an authoritarian power mongering structure of false priests and tyrant's, but a priesthood ministering to all.
Excellent!
Such great inside and wisdom!! Really puts issues of today in perspective.
Once again I get frustrated like there’s an empathy, or tip of the cap, towards the woke in the Church by leadership. I wish things were taught like this more to put the Nehors of the Church to rest.
Thanks so much!!
You are welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Abraham was describing the ancient order of planets that existed above the earth before the flood. The Book of Revelation is the story of the return of those planets to the earth in a polar configuration, prior to the return of Christ, as described in Abraham 3. The hypocephalus is a star map of that congregation, which is important since we will return to that system during the millennium. The Electric Universe theory (non-LDS) describes what the scriptures are explaining in detail, vindicating nearly everything Joseph Smith said about the cosmos. Their work is available at the Thunderbolt Project.
I'll edit my comment if you end up covering the same ground later in the video, but in the Church we generally understand that people should exercise righteous dominion. However, the moment anything comes up about how a father should lead his family in righteousness everyone falls apart and twists it into, "The Church is saying that men can be abusive and domineering to their wives and children!"
The false tradition is that the wife does not have an equal leadership role in the family. So the reality of husbands practicing unrighteous dominion comes from the attitude of entitlement, in that the husband feels entitled to have his wife go along with his final say, or that he is entitled to be accommodated. And when she doesn't take her "place" as the follower, (and he doesn't feel he needs to follow her equally in return) he gets upset and can be mean to show his disapproval, or try to shame her for not "obeying God." It's simply manipulation, and a misinterpretation of scripture and a misunderstanding of Priesthood.
I have never thought about the Patriarchy in this context, but I've always been a big fan of the true pattern of 'The Patriarchy.' The world has corrupted it. Excellent show!!! 👏👏
Thank you Greg, you are a light on the internet when there is so much darkness keep up the good work .Carol
Thank you kindly
Love it. I believe listening to Bruce H Porters stuff prepared me best for the temple last year. My understanding of the scriptures and my spirituality has taken off.
Love it l!! DBR. Its in my notes now! Thanks Greg. I found Patriarchy in Helaman as well now that you made me see it! Heleman calls out the Nephites in the rejection of the eternal patriarchy. Helemam 13:38 But behold, your days of probation are past; ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation until it is everlastingly too late, and your destruction is made sure; yea, for ye have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head.
So important to understand. I feel like our modern English communication is devoid of symbolic speech and it makes it really easy for things like this to go over your head if you don’t take the time to study it. Thanks for giving me some help there.
You’re welcome. And you’re right.
When most of the church is brought down to believe in the doctrine of the Gadiantons. (Helaman 6:38)
At that point we no longer serve the God of this land and we will be swept off. We cannot defend law if we don't recognize it or care to learn it.
God can not restore our judges as at the first until we learn and love law.
Thank you for this program. I'm so glad it's on video because I'm going to be viewing it over and over and over again. It reminds me of how I used to read Elder Maxwell's talks. You do a wonderful job of explaining complicated topics in a simple enough way that with some studying they can be understood to some degree.
So we beat around the bush a bit there, but basically… Kolob is a reference or symbol of Christ yes? Nearest to God, governs all other stars, etc. So when we sing of hieing to Kolob we’re actually singing of coming to Christ. “If we could come completely to Christ in the twinkling of an eye, & then continue onward at the same speed, could we find out when Gods began to be?”
Essentially teaching the doctrine that even if we came to be perfected in Christ in an instant, we will never discover when Gods began or where matter ends because everything is one eternal round & God’s works have no beginning or end.
Lehi and Abinadi disrupted the hierarchy. Great stuff here
Kolob Chiasmus:
A1 - (2-3) many great ones, governing ones, great one nearest to me
B1 - (4-9) two facts, one above another, one above them all nearest to the throne of God to govern all the others
C1 - (10-11) throne of God, face to face
D1 - (12) my son, my son, I will show you, multiplied
D2 - (14-15) I will multiple thee, seed, show these things
C2 - (16) the greater things are, the closer they are to the throne of God
B2 - (17-21) two facts, one intelligence above another, one above them all, God, to rule over all other intelligences
A2 - (22-24) many noble and great ones, these are the rulers, one above them all like unto God
I think the apex is his promised blessing, because that has been the entire theme of Abraham so far. He is seeking the blessings of the fathers: the priesthood and to be a father of many nations (1:2).
Every time the Lord talks to him, it is to grant him one of these promises:
The priesthood 1:18
Land of inheritance and priesthood through his posterity, and A great nation (2:6-11)
Specific land (2:19)
Endless posterity (3:14)
CFM Week 1: Moses 1; Abraham 3
Not Just Astronomy Going on Here… Stars are People!
Yes, Abraham was being shown the cosmos. But he was being taught something else as well. Everything he was being taught about stars was equally applicable to people, or more specifically, the children of God.
God first lays down some ground rules. These are key to understanding what He is about to teach Abraham. The best part is that He doesn’t even make it all that difficult to make the connection (though it took me long enough), because He lists them one right after another.
Rule #1 for stars: “If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them” (v. 16)
Rule #2 for stars: “Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it” (v. 17)
Rule #1 for people: “also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other” (v. 18)
Rule #2 for people: “These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.” (v. 19)
The Lord also gives it to Abraham all in one breath, showing him the stars and telling him that Abraham’s seed will be like them: “And he said unto me: Kokaubeam, which signifies stars, or all the great lights, which were in the firmament of heaven. And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these” (vv. 13-14)
So let’s look at some of the particular stars mentioned and see if we can’t find more parallels…
“These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (v. 3)
“Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (v. 9)
“Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me.” (v. 16)
Is there a particular person who is nigh unto the throne of God and is set to govern all those which belong to the same order as Abraham?
Kolob is obviously being used as a metaphor for Christ.
And I discovered a connection that I am sure will lead to the identification of a chiastic structure here, (I have top people working on it), but this identifies Jesus and the “noble and great ones” as Kolob and the governing stars… check it out!
“I saw the STARS, that they were very great, and that ONE of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were MANY GREAT ONES which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the GOVERNING ONES; and the name of the GREAT ONE is Kolob, because it is near unto me,” (vv. 2-3)
“Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the INTELLIGENCES that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and GREAT ONES;
And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my RULERS; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born. And there stood ONE among them that was like unto God” (vv. 22-24)
stars = intelligences
many great ones = noble and great ones
governing ones = my rulers
Great one (Kolob) = Jesus Christ
This is correct. And it lines up perfectly with the beginning of our temple drama. Well said.
Order is very important to truth, reality, priesthood, and the work and glory of God.
It is also possible that Abraham is using Egyptian concepts to teach them this hierarchal structure of the DBR (Logos).
Fabulous episode Brother Matsen! Thank you for your research and insights. I'm going to have to listen to this again.
Glad you enjoyed it and got something out of it.
I really appreciate your teaching this. It really educated me. I’ll watch this again and again to fully absorb it. Thank you.
Glad you got something out of it.
Great video! I really enjoyed it, and learned a few things. One minor correction that doesn't really matter to the overall context, but just for accuracy's sake; Gideon did not chase King Limhi in the Book of Mormon, but King Noah.
Correct!
This is amazing. I’m going to have to listen more than once! I’ve actually been studying both the Pearl of Great Price as well as that Who Shall Ascend to the Hill of the Lord? book that you briefly mentioned, so this was a very timely episode for me. I feel the Pearl of Great Price was very much neglected in my education, and I’m grateful for your knowledge. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Can't thankyou enough...your podcasts are powerful and enlightening
The hierarchical structure ultimately will be based on the parent-child relationship, and grades of righteousness. Those who become sons and daughters of God are commanded to be "one", having all things common. Brothers and sisters, husband and wife, the body of Christ, all should become one and not placing one above the other. God is an all encompassing God that employs all principles. There are principles of hierarchy and order, and principles of unity and equity. The trick is finding the truth in the meshing of the two. All righteous principles can work together.
Wpw thank you. I will listen to this many times over. Learned so much just listening this first time. I never understoodabraham like this. Thank you for helping to open my eyes!
Makes me very happy!
As we look at Abraham and Facsimile #2 we see what could be called the “light line of authority”. D&C 50:24 states that “that which is of God is light.” Passing that light through a prism we see it break down into the principles and ordinances of the Gospel. There are higher laws and lesser laws, higher principles and lower principles. As D&C 84:45 states: “word of the =truth, truth = light, light = spirit - even the spirit of Jesus Christ”. D&C 93:24 states that “Truth is knowledge of things as they are, and. as they were, and as they are to come”, but one does not receive a fullness of the truth unless as 93:27 states: “ he keepeth all the commandments.”
So as Greg points out, there is a hierarchy in all things.
This is prob my favorite. Thanks for the great study and connecting those dots! Exciting truth.
This video really hit deep for me. As someone who grew up within the ‘flattened church patriarchy’ I completely understand what people are missing without the fullness of Gods DBR. We really do need to speak up. This secular ideology is deep within the other Christian communities and they are falling further and further away from the truth.
Love hearing that!
Coal on the mouth is the "Opening of the Mouth Ceremony," cleansing the lips of the repentant yet highly sanctified disciple. They become a "Sent One" (Apostle in Greek) who will speak as if they were Christ, the Word.
Awesome upload Greg!! Level 3+ stuff. Careful... you just might see the finger of the Lord. :>)
This discussion is going straight to favorites for recall and sharing !!
Wonderful teaching today. Blessings to. You. Sir. Mmlll
Same to you!
Excellent! We really appreciate you and how you are able to present, so clearly the true doctrines regarding Priesthood and DBR. May you and your family be blessed.😅
Thank you.
I know this is sort of off topic, but I've never thought of that Abrhamic scripture as a revelation and symbolically (shame on me). But that all of a sudden sounds awfully a lot like the degrees of glory and afterlife. There are three orders of Heaven (Telestial, Terest, Celest), but also sub heavens within each Kingdom. And the greater ones bring you closer to God and ultimately like him. Anyone else think it could apply like that?
When you look at the three facsimiles included in our Book of Abraham in order you can see the progression of an individual from a weak and fallen state to an exalted state. Within the last one you can also see intimations of the three degrees of glory.
That was excellent Greg.
Appreciate it!
Thank you for this analysis and explanation of these scriptures.
What I find interesting is that the Lord is speaking to him in language he understands.
This isn’t language WE understand completely. We must work out what is being shared.
But because there’s understanding on that end, we must understand that there’s a lot of context we are never going to get because only the conversation alludes to it.
That said, there’s still much we can gather here. 😁
I believe Calhouns “mouse utopia” is a great example of hierarchies dissolving. The system collapse becomes inevitable.
"The system collapse becomes inevitable."
It does in the situation of utopia; removed all obstacles, provide food. No need to compete and nothing to compete over or about.
@@thomasmaughan4798 convenience is killer.
Amazing. Yes! We must not spiral into nothingness, or worse.
Glad you enjoyed it.
It is so interesting how true order and doctrine frees mankind, while the bastardized order endlaves - the very thing we are being told is the fault of that true order. Coincidence? I think not.
Bruce Porter provides the notion that we (in the Church and as Children of Israel) are in a matrilineal patriarchy. Meaning that the matriarch chooses the future patriarch. He has some very good references regarding this concept. Maybe you can have Bruce on again (yay) and he can discuss this... 😇
Remarkable! Well done Greg!
I love your commentary. Well said Greg.
Thank you!
This was a particularly good watch, well done you🙏🇦🇺👍
Appreciate it!
Kolob seems to be clearly described as a star in the book of Abraham and not a planet unless I'm misreading that
In Sacrament Meeting yesterday, the sister that gave the closing prayer started with "Our Heavenly Parents..." Is this becoming a thing? Awkward.
Bishop hopefully will address that but you should bring it up to them as a concern that that is not what has been authorized and it is Willful activism
We only pray to the Father as Christ did
My uncle prays to our heavenly mother. I am concerned this is a trend
Made me cringe thinking about it, definitely not good and should be addressed.
@@HomesliceDrummer i served my mission in argentina and got a lot of people to stop praying to mary. Come home last year and find out members have apostasized praying to HM. not good... i think some people are playing with fire...
I have been a member of the church for 34 years, and I am currently serving a senior mission in Panama. I had a hard time following this podcast. I need it explained to me in layman’s terms. What are you trying to say?? What specifically should I do with this information? Can you sum up this podcast by saying “follow the prophet”? I don’t get what the takeaway should be.
Certainly the K-12 space in education has more women in large measures due to the fact that education is not a great PRIMARY income! However, it is a great secondary income!😮
Any plan to reach out to David Alexander to maybe discuss how some of these deeper perspectives in the BOM and PGP may be imbeded in the NT but that isn't seen by our other Christian fellows?
Good idea.
This ties into many of the things The Natural Law Institute is doing.
Great video!!
Thank you!
Thank you! Very enlightening!
Hi Greg, thank you for your explanation. I have a couple questions....When describing Kolob are you saying it is symbolic only or that Kolob is not just a location? Also, in regards to our role as members or the church or disciples of Jesus Christ I see a pattern that is hard to know where the line is.....We need to know truth and teach truth but I feel when Christ came he brought back the law and asks us to have the "Pure Love of Christ" or charity in order to enter the kingdom of Heaven. I can tell you focus on this but today the line between being right and having charity seems to be hard to see and even harder to develop because of the influence of many things. If we all focused on how to develop the pure love of Christ how would all of our words, lessons, thoughts and actions change? If you could do a podcast on that, especially on a time like today where chaos is everywhere that would be great. When we know truth and also choose to love despite that knowledge. I find this very challenging...Like the role of a bishop who may know things and is asked to love people back to church or activity. How do we develop Love like Christ in a time like today, despite our beliefs and differences? I struggle here for sure.
Good question on Kolob. I don’t know the answer to this, but if I were guessing I might say that Abraham was following some ancient Egyptian idea of the cosmos and then using a parallel with a priesthood structure. He is also making sure we understand that “stars” and the Council in Heaven are part of the gospel. This is contrary to the religion that took over at the time of Lehi.
You confused Limhi and King Noah at the end
Awesome talk
Thank you!
Each, father and mother have their own roles. Men and women are made differently so it stands to reason they wouldn't have identical roles.
HEAVENLY FATHER BLESS😇
The beautiful, wonderful, faithful women of the Church in Utah and Idaho defeated the ERA in 1978. That was the last time i can honestly say that the Women defended their role in the Kingdom of God. But now, it seems, they want to be men.
Not all women want to be men. Many understand how absolutely essential men are and respect their role in the family, church and community.
@@emh7956thank you for the reassurance. I guess I just live in the wrong place. I ask my daughters if they want to be ordained. They say "no." But I'm worried they will get the bug. Nobody around me can sense just how important the priesthood is.
What in the world is DBR?, I understand what you saying but I’m sorry but I’ve never heard of it before but I feel like you not giving background about who invented the term DBR of how it became to be a thing it is very confusing.
Governing ones most probably means the ones that other parts orbit around.
In other words God's throne is at or near the center of the galaxy.
I think I will participate thank you.....
Amen and excellent!!
Love your messages Greg... just a Cwic correction. Twice you said that Gideon fought against Limhi, I believe you meant King Noah?
Thanks. That is correct. I finished this one at 5 am, I could have said “my grandma” by then. May not be the only mistake, haha. Thank you for watching!
Trying to change our doctrine from within? 😂😂
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@CwicShow Hey Greg, I've been listening to your channel for a little while now and you mention multiple books you recommend. Can you maybe do a video just on your book recommendations? I usually listen when I drive to work and can't write or remember the titles.
Those aren't courts of law. Those are special courts not of record. If the attorney has his way everything is Equity court because of contract and admiralty. That marriage license made the STATE OF UTAH one of your partners.
Very good, Greg. Absolutely believe in patriarchy not because I want to abuse women but it is a true principle.
Parsing the truth. That’s wisdom!
Gideon chased King Noah, not Limhi
Btw, if you get unsealed to your wife, the wife gets the kids. They remain with her.
Edit, not true. Kids are always sealed to their parents, even after divorce.
Huh? Where is that written?
It is my understanding that children are promised rightous parents. Not their parents specifically. All blessings are based on covenant keeping.
@@wendyenfield8890 apparently nobody knows the doctrine. Joseph Smith taught that celestial children of God would all be linked together by family bonds father to son, husband to wife. Obviously there will be many missing links that will be forged by God himself. If women are as righteous as they say (compared to man), the men will have many wives.
@@rolandsmith4394The accusation or assumption that women are more righteous always comes from men, presumably because they are trying to find a way to explain why there would be 1000 times more women in the Celestial Kingdom. I've never heard a woman say this, that women are more righteous then men.
@@ramsrnja 🤣"70 virgins"
My wife tells me that she is more righteous all the time. But good point. Elder Holland has made a cottage industry out of belittling men. Hmm I'll have to think about that.
In the church I was only given male role models. Therefore I tried to copy them. I knocked over a table one time trying to be like Jesus 😂 and one time I went into a grove of trees to pray to see God like Joseph smith did. He didn’t show himself to me but right then my earthly father called to me that we were going to look at a house that we then moved into. While there, an evangelical preached to me about Jesus and I accepted Jesus as my savior for the first time.
Did you ever have a Primary President and her counselors? Did you have female Primary teachers? Did you have a Young Women's President and her counselors? Did you have any female Sunday School teachers? Did you know of the Relief Society President and her counselors? Did you have amazing women in your ward? Did you know of the Stake Primary Presidency, Young Women's Presidency, and Relief Society Presidency?
@@CwicShow my mother was in charge of the Primary music and I had an awesome young women’s leader that my mom let me call mom too. 🩷
DBR? Design Based Research?
No. Did you listen to the podcast? DBR is a Hebrew word and the root of the several words it’s the Hebrew root of the word WORD, root of the word SPEAK, and the word ORDER. He gives the explanation at 9:59 in the podcast.
@@bethp8436 Thanks, I was just joking about Design Based Research. I guess I didn't pay attention that it was the Hebrew root of the words on the list.
found this at the jewish shop; The word dbr in Hebrew is a masculine noun. It comes from the root dr (dar) and means “pastor.” Shepherding is an activity that occurs throughout the Bible. In addition to being a general noun, the specialized noun dbr may also denote a feeding ground for sheep and lambs, as well as a verbal claim to pasture. Its use in the Bible is a metaphor for the holy book.
Why is the church so heavily involved in the religion of academia? Afterall, the church owns the universities that are teaching this other religion. TIthing money is used to pay some of these professors. Why do they not address this? Do something about it? So confused.
Because the wheat and the tares must grow together
@@tiffanyseavy565 The Lord allows this but doesn’t orchestrate it.
@@7dixiebug I don't understand what you're trying to say. God knows what He's doing. It's not our business how He runs His church. If you're confused and super hung up on it, pray and ask. Ponder and study and wait. Have faith. Everything is in His control.
Why can’t there be a word for a co-order of things? Husband and wife are to become one, so they serve together for their family as one in all things. If we had that beautiful paradigm, marriages and families would be much healthier and Heavenly Mother wouldn’t be nearly invisible.
I think it comes down to stewardship. Heavenly Mother would have been instrumental in creating our spirit bodies similar to earth mothers creating physical bodies. Yet men are needed to bring physical bodies back into the presence of God---that is their stewardship. I'm sure Heavenly Mother is aware of us and loving us from a distance and wants us to return just as earth mothers are aware and loving their kids who leave home to start their adult lives. I recommend looking into the ancient Asian custom of never speaking their mothers' name---many countries in that continent have this tradition. When you look at all the reasons why they do this from a gospel perspective it puts Heavenly Mother's "invisible" / absence in scripture in a very sweet and tender perspective.
@@amynazza thank you for your response. There’s just no scriptural reference to “men only are needed to bring physical bodies back into the presence of God.” It’s always men who say men do certain things and women do the motherhood stuff., even though many women never become mothers. My kids are grown and gone, but I am daily involved with them and their families. I am visible, to be sure. There isn’t any scripture that even says there is a Heavenly Mother, so it’s an LDS paradigm that says she’s too Holy to even speak of Her. It has been very sad that down through the ages, women weren’t allowed to own property until about 100 years ago, had no say in decisions, were considered too emotional to be able to make sound decisions, needed no education to “only waste it on motherhood,” couldn’t vote, couldn’t keep inherited land but had to give it to the husband, and weren’t accepted into medical schools. Women were considered inferior to, and less smart than men. Yet we know Heavenly Father did not create this paradigm-mortal men did. Women could have contributed so much to the world if they’d only been allowed to…if only they had that respect. Perhaps wars could have been prevented. Perhaps there would have been less pride, greed, and fewer secret combinations. I don’t think women should replace men, nor are they one bit better. Neither gender should dominate the other, but be one heart and one mind together. But I do believe they have so much to contribute when allowed to be evenly empowered and welcomed. In Zion, it seems they must be in order to be of one heart and one mind-you can’t leave their hearts and minds out and still be one. That’s why I wonder what a male-female-archy is called. Maybe a uniarchal society? Time will tell. Till then, we continue to abide and endure, hope and pray.
Agreed. There is no "patriarchy" or "matriarchy" in heaven according to modern-day definitions. Heaven is a parentarchy, or parent rule, with an equal patriarch and matriarch standing side by side. What men have argued for traditionally is a husbandarchy because they hold the Priesthood. But their priesthood gives them authority to bless the family, with the ordinances of the gospel, not to make all the decisions. This is what they preside over, the responsibility of giving gospel and priesthood blessings. Their priesthood office as an Elder for example is in regards to their duties in the church, but at home their office is father (King, Priest) and the wife's office is mother (Queen, Priestess).
@@ramsrnjabeautifully said!
You keep saying Limhi and wicked priests, but it’s Noah and the wicked priests. I’m sure it was just a slip of the tongue.
Yep
@@CwicShow so easy to do! Love your videos. I like seeing other’s perception of gospel truths as it helps enrich and enlarge my perceptions. Thank you so much for dedicating time to these videos.
Lol, how fun. DBR, word, order, plant ... the sword of truth; the Word. The sword transformed into a plow share when it's time to break up that stony heart. Now that Word or seed of truth can be planted in the heart.
The seed grows into the Tree of Life which the Mayans equated with the throne.
Progression occurs as that tree grows.
Nephi saw the pure fountain of water springing from the base of the tree of life.
"Be ye clean, ye that bear the vessels of the Lord." So as we follow the Covenant Path, our tree progresses until we are purified vessels, Then, "out of his bellly shall flow rivers of living waters."
We are sanctified to the degree of becoming an Adam or Eve. We follow the pattern of becoming a tree of life with the living waters springing up to pour out from our hand to bless others.
You can't have a patriarchy without a matriarchy standing equally beside him. What we need to get away from is husbandarchy. We need to stop using the word patriarchy. It's not a word used in scripture.
The patriarchal order is a key concept in our highest litergy.
It is semantics. Get rid of 'patriarchy' and you'll have something equally or more distasteful to you. Better to enlarge understanding so that patriarchy and matriarchy are not confused or abusive.
"husband" & "wife" are terms hated by Satan. He prefers "partners".
@@rolandsmith4394 One of our prophets cleared it up. Can't remember which one at the moment, said that the "Patriarchal order" refers to the Priesthood passed down from Father to son, and that is why they call it Patriarchal, because of how it is passed down. But the order is the Endowment, which bestows men and women the promise of becoming Kings and Queens, Priests and Priestesss, what is essentially Patriarchal and Matriarchal Priesthood.
@@amynazza patriarchy and matriarchy refer to father and mother rule. Fathers and mothers both rule over their children equally. But the terms have been misused to mean the Father rules over the Mother or vice versa. That's why I think as church members using those words isn't helpful, and we should stick to what we have in our scripture as far as how we talk about things.