Street Debate: Eswatini’s youth has had enough of its king
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- In this week’s street debate, Christine Mhundwa meets young people demanding change in Eswatini. The small southern African country is one of the last remaining absolute monarchies in the world, and some young people believe the king is abusing his powers.
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Interesting. Drive him out. Useless monarch.
Love your street debates. You guys have pioneered something special!
I always feel like those who support this Monarchy benefit from the sysyem. The mediator of this debate though is suppose to give the guy who supports the monarchy a fair chance and not be bias. She gives every other person a chance to talk fully while the other guy doesn't. Remember to put your feelings behind and listen to all different views!
I think She did allocated sufficient chance ...but if the said guy stammers and waistes Her stringent quality time She actually should just act
That's the problem, we are deemed incapable of thinking for ourselves. Those who oppose the monarch are made to feel morally and intellectually superior. I get nothing. The government is not supposed to feed me or make me happy but provide a safe space for me to work to provide for myself and pursue happiness. The monarchy proved me with that stability
We benefit nothing from thr E king but tell the truth as is not all these. My comentsll
Part ll plz this has been very educational
Thank for such debates, this brings all the people in one units
No one can say the people of Eswatini don't know what they want, this debate has made it very clear.
Remember when that princess tried to be a rapper 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Wait, really? Is that true or some sort of meme?
@@sergersgerhersh6594 it's true😂😂
Nothing wrong with a child pursuing dreams.
Great journalism and discussion! 🇺🇸
Gcina you are a shame......
Nje....
He is shame xem
That's the natural response of our so called liberators. Using division, fear, threats and insult instead of persuasion and superior logic
QUESTION:S: Who does the king answer to? What influence is over the country?
Kudos to the youth for taking part in productive political change for their lives and future generations.❤️🙏🏽✌️
We have suffered enough
Kudos to some of the youth. Stop the sweeping statements. We are firmly behind our king and the kingdom will stand. We are enough the last absolute as the Westerners have labelled us We are the first and will return Africa to its roots.
@@gcabhotsabedze6492 the day you really suffer you will wish you knew better
@@tonyshabangu5811 , did you really read my post or did you just make a statement? There’s no sweeping statements. Props was given to the youth and a couple of questions were asked, neither addressed. Nothing is there to be defensive for.
The King answers to the people in the end. The King/President decides how things will work in the country in an attempt to make people happy from the plan that was set forth. If the people don't like or hate how the plan transformed their lives, then the King/President must go.
You see the people have to answer to the King/President throughout the plan process for the plan to proceed and take shape in order for the people to live and experiance the finished plan of the Country of how people will live in. But the King/President is doing it (for the people). That's why in the end he has to answer to the people because the people simply gave him a chance to come up with a game plan for the Country to see if it will appease their lives.
A man who is married to more than 12 wives, still getting married to others @ age 60 & having countless children who are all on the country 's payroll is as clear as a sunny day what type of a person some1 really is & even a nursery school kid can tell you what that means
Yes he is a king upholding our culture of making sure the royal family is related every surname through marriage. Not that we have have explain this to you. Do your research before talking. Research is not going OK George soros funded social media sites run by paid operatives who are only about money
Christine, you are really good at this! Thank you so much for such an informative debate. Gcina says the King is not an absolute monarchy because he works with council, but he conveniently forgets that the King also appoints his own council, and the council cannot go against him. It's a farce!
I love you Tibusiso,,,,A very good point,,,we can't blame our MPS because they are forced to support the monarch
That is very shallow thinking but thanks for playing
Mswati must fall . We standing with y'all Emaswati
Being a King doesn't always mean that your smarter/intelligent and have special abilities, no matter how educated you may be, sometimes it just means your an heir to the throne and that's where it ends. We need to start electing and selecting according to to merit's and wisdom.
Being good in your own life doesn't mean you can lead us all. Thus is why though he is king there are supporting structures
democracy doesn't work as well, look at the ANC
I am watching this from Kenya. Like in my country, a few western-funded NGOs want to make it appear that Eswatini is on fire. This is a common strategy used by NGOs to line their pockets. This is about NGO greed not the freedom of the Swazi people. Long live Eswatini. Long live Africa.
Mr Makhubu,,,, I love you baba ,, good points
Thank you so much for getting diverse views that actually represent all of us as Swazis.....
"I am first and foremost a Swazi before I am Princess "....that's my mantra. As a nation we can fix this if the King (yes I am related) simply allows us to ...respects our wishes as Swazis and works with us to find a win-win solution for all. Believe it or not ....we all love our country. 🇸🇿🇸🇿🇸🇿
Nembala Mntfanenkhosi 👊🏾👊🏾. Well put Dzadzewetfu. Nothing beats, balance and objectivity in any meaningful evaluation determination of facts on any issue. I commend the attempt at balance nami Nkhosi. Much ❤️ 👊🏾👊🏾 Mntfwanel’zulu.
We do not want the king
@@muzimnisi260 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well done Gcina you spoke well and execised democratic freedom. Jailed people in the country are not Jailed from thin air however its through their actions......
However in regards to the formation of the panel, it seem as if though those people were not selected Fairly due to the minority to represent both perspective.
It seems hosts of such debates are not chairing but rather pick a side...
@Christine, it would be nice if you treated Gcina with a similar approach to express himself and his points before you flood him with argumentative questions....
Great discussion I would like to see the King fix the country problems and also hold on to our culture
He's just too silent... even when people are dying...and that's exactly what disqualifies Him to be a proper king
He is the only one who has been saying anything. His government through micro projects built 500 structures. This includes schools, clinics and many more. The nation doesn't know about that. The government workers are the ones who sabotage and cry foul. This means they know our system could work but sabotage so it seems not to work
The fate of a nation shouldn’t rest at the feet of one man. That’s insane.
The Sovereignty (comprising the subtotal of Judicial, Executive & Legislative Powers) in Eswatini, is of the type Monarchical Sovereignty quite opposite to Popular Sovereignty. A lot is embedded in this characterization it is not as simplistic as it may seem. As such much if not all the political, constitutional and legal questions arising concerning our country, should not be addressed in any manner different from the established philosophical concepts. As such, it is unfair and/or incorrect to evaluate or criticize Eswatini’s political system following the narrative, that there is only one form of Sovereignty that is correct, viz. Popular Sovereignty. The fact of the preeminent existence of Monarchical Sovereign Nation- States, which the Eswatini Nation Kingdom is, even though in minority or even being the only country to remain existing in rulership on this basis, in the 21st Century. It shouldn’t be a crime to have managed as a Nation to have survived, native wars (Umfecane), Imperialistic Colonialism and apartheid to name a few. The Monarchical Sovereignty of Eswatini predates the Colonial invasion era by the West and most certainly the illegitimate, imperialistic and colonially imposed 1968 Westminster ‘Constitution’. As well as it also predates the master stroke, Pan-Africanist decolonization 1973 Royal Decree by King Sobhuza II In-Council. At all material times, the EMaswati nation have been an Absolute Monarch as explained above. This is was so even with most nations of Europe, much of the rest of the world prior to the beginning of the 18th century, except for present day North America, whose political trajectory, not as a nation but a Confederation of States brought about the political and constitutionalism concept of Popular Sovereignty in the their Declaration of Independance of the 1700s. From the beginning of the 18th century, the philosophical concept of Sovereignty was canvassed namely by European and North American philosophers along the two divisions stated above. This resulted in two categories explaining the source of each type of Sovereign Power & Authority. And these were Constituted and Constituent Sovereign Power & Authority. In the case of the former, the source of Sovereign Authority is an individual, the hereditary ruler ( as in Eswatini) and in the latter, the source are the citizens collectively acting through elected representatives that go to parliament, as in the case with almost all Republics and with those Monarchies that became Constitutional Monarchs, quite apart and distinct from Eswatini, which is a Monarchical Constitutionalism, practicing a culturally based political system and Ideology falling under the rubric, Monarchical Democracy, called Tinkhundla System. This is a classical case of a Monarchical political system (Abosolutism) constitutionally embracing principles of Popular Sovereignty (Parliament established through General Elections, within a Rule of Law [Separation of Powers] setting and a fully justiciable and entrenched Bill of Rights and Democratic practices and institutions. The country practices the Parliamentary system of Parliamentary Democracy at its best along individual merit based on geographic association boundaries, called Tinkhundla. Indeed in the face of all that has been said, the Tinkhundla political system is only a system of government that is supposed to be run and managed by the elected political representatives on 3 levels from grass-root level of chiefdom through to Inkhundla constituency and finally Parliament. Since each Inkhundla constituency is made up of several chiefdoms, and the chiefdoms themselves being made up of several families, which is the lowest level. What, in my political opinion caused the Civil Unrest, is indeed the frustration of the masses, NOT with the Monarch (King), but largely with the glaring operational failure of our elected representatives (Constituency Governors called Indvuna yeNkhundla, sub-constituency headman, called Bucopho and Members of Parliament) in being our political agents to government and as a result of the absence of the representatives being held accountable at constituency level, through never holding the constitutionally required gras-root level Dialogue forum of Tinkhundla constituency meetings (called Bucopho), which is the unique Eswatini Tinkhundla system sub-tier Parliament Decentralization at constituency level, that no other country in the present day is able to rival or beat. As well as also the generally apathy or carelessness of us the voting EMaswati in exercising proper diligence, when voting for our representatives. We have generally been a voter base that, freely gives away its vote for a cheap morsel of bread or blankets in the place of nationalism, integrity, soundness & morality. The Monarch is not the government, instead the Sovereign freely delegated (but not abdicated) the Exercise of some of its Sovereign Powers (Judicial, Legislative & Executive) to us the masses (the electorate and voting citizens) in allowing us to influence how we want to be governed, through voting and electing the over two thirds majority of Parliament (the Legislature). Alongside and concurrent with the Sovereign’s exclusive and sole prerogative to rule as the Sovereign/Majestas embodiment of the Nation-State Eswatini. The distinction must always be understood between the domicile or Source of Sovereign Authority & Power viz-a-viz the Exercise thereof, especially when analyzing any Monarchical regime, as Absolute or not, since the answer may vary, when examining it from a narrow and technical perspective and when viewed from a broad sense of the concept. Besides no political system is perfect and Democracy, is not an end in itself but rather a means to an end. Eswatini by any modern day standard is a Monarchical Democracy as quite ingeniously and aptly declared and describe by its most recent ardent contributing architect together with the Nation,,, being His Majesty King Mswati 111. Bayethe! Wena Waphakathi!!
Eswatini needs a president and a prime minister elected by the people of Eswatini
Guys, just fight to be reincoroperated back into South Africa. Lesotho must do likewise and later Botswana.
Lot of love from South Africa
It's a foreign thing to us....this democracy of yours. And so far the way it's going....🤔🤔🤔
Botswana has never been part of south Africa bruh. Also we don't want to join a crazy nation. A nation were the people are land less and the nation is number in the world in car theft and rape
Terrible idea.
@@innocentgoitseone3715 Truth is most of yr citizens depend on sa.
So many reforms are need in this country partial democracy may yeild good results at least some extent village level local democracy is needed for better upgrading life standards
What does the majority of the population want?
The current government and the king has failed us as the youth, We need change.
Well articulated Bheki.Youvreal understand the situation in our country. Let us face the real situation bakaNgwane. There no leadership in our legislation.I pity our youth who are uninformed.
Shobane really understands the real issues we face
....and if there's no leadership Ku judiciary...is it so proper for the so called monarchy to just fold their arms and watch???... Well I don't think so... If you had a huge profitable business would you as the owner watch some one else you've hired to overseer it drag it down the drain?
Uninformed in the ways of the white man right?
Monarchy works see example of morrocco. You just need to call for reforms. You people you don't understand what a republic is, so disastrous we as Ugandans we are suffering with people who came from nowhere, they had totally nothing, now they are stepping on our heads they have eaten up everything like grasshopper, killed people etc etc for us we are calling back our monarch BUGANDA because it was performing for its people. People had ownership over land.
Why our MPs in prison and exile if they is democracy in Swaziland?
They instigated and supported terrorist acts. Even in SA people who did that are in jail. Law and order is not negated by ideology
@@tonyshabangu5811 They never instigated anything, they are in jail for simply having opposing views and critical of poor governance in Swaziland. Simply politically motivated charges and extra judicial killings and arrests only happen in autocratic oppressive regimes. There's a collapsing healthcare and education system. Poor and dilapidated infrastructure, roads are a serious safety hazard in Swaziland, when this king and his family are sick they sort out healthcare in other countries. Nothing is ever disclosed about the mineral resources of Swaziland because the royal parasites loot with impunity including public funds. Stop being niave, this is a king who doesn't care about the citizens and the development of the country and human development and rights of the citizens. Our counterparts in the region are developing and we stuck behind because of a useless tinpot dictator. If there was democracy people would never been denied their right to deliver petitions which started the uprising and MP'S would have never been arrested because in a democratic society there's freedom of speech.
As a South African, I don't see the king abdicating his absolute power like that, as the youth wishes. It will come at a cost of many lives, but Eswatini has a small population and thus can't afford to loose many lives. Maybe what's needed is a dialogue, not of doing away with the monarch but reforms that are accepted from both sides.
I think the tradition of practicing polygamy with so many wives by the king has exarcabated the situation, now that there are many children out of that practice, as it said they live lavishly and flaunt their wealth at an audience that is really struggling. What about the government or the monarchy out of their budget, allocate each wife and graduated princes and princesses, to have their personal regions or cities or towns or rural areas to perform charity work, look after the orphans homes, homeless (if any) and their rehabilitation, skills development centers upliftment, small business funding awareness projects, sports and recreation support, nutrition at schools, etc. They should supplement the work of ministers but concentrated more on the poor and vulnerable societies as well as the youth as said above ( sports, skills development and funding for SMMEs, etc).
This for the first time is informing for the whole world to digest..the guy with glasses 👓 is protecting the monarchy..there's always one
For me Bheki said it well, its not the king I want out, but the way he does things
Mr. Gcina here is talking a lot of less sense if not absolute nonsense... We live in this current Eswatini our country and all these things the other panelists are just narrating perfectly true. It wouldn't help nor benefit anyone to try and seek filthy nonsense recognition from the monarchy system yet Him and His family and children are suffering.
You should say the other panelists say things that line up with your point of view
Why can't they switch to a democracy and let the King be a cultural figure? We have a king in western Zambia where I'm from but the country is a democracy.
The monarchy works I England. Y not let it work in eswatini. Also alot of these people want political fame n fortune. Leave the king alone
Monarchy can work in eSwatini but the king is a dictator if he can allow eSwatini people to elect whom they want as prime minister that will be better
So the people must continue to suffer in the expense of a monarch. I have no problem with a dictator but dictate the right thing. You can't live luxurious life in the expense of poor civilians and claim everyone is well with it.
All negativity you say about your king may be true but I believe Mswati is a true absolute monarchy that he exist because of the touch of his beautiful people. Remember to be loyal to your king. African states are suffering from political instability due to multipartism hence division of tribes which escalates tribalism and political self interest in the government. Is this what you want? I am from Kenya and I have seen a lot. please my swazi youth be calm and be smart. Long live your King.
Do you have any idea about the horrific things he has done, and you have the nerge tovtell us that we should serve our king? Shame on you
One tribe with their own country it is realy Lucky country But if the king understand.
People are in dire need of education house health and minimum wage livelihood for their living rulers focus on this issue instead if enjoying with their families in rich manner
High employment rate is worldwide not only in Eswatini. Please bear with the Eswatini government just to save lives.🙏🙏🙏
Why did you defy to stop petions. It means even your own father you do not respect.
Just realized that the guy in a military shirt is a Dlamini, I heard about that clan, they are psychophants.
Eswatini needs democracy
Whatever happens, we need some form of change. Swaziland can nolonger be the same, we are tired.
Amandla
Gcina is speaking in the place of privilege,what is he talking about amabandla that is still his people. How can they go against him when he is the one who employed them. Gcina shouldn't think that we are stupid. He was over his head with this other intervieews and the interviewer. He didn't say anything to anyone he should just sit down and continue being fed by the same regime that killed us.
True we don't want the king 👑
Rdf money has eyes its not given to anyone
All money has eyes. Where is this nation where people just line up and get cash loans without scrutiny
Would you make this kind of talk show in North Korea?
This is the 21st century really, this Mswati needs to be reminded of that. He cannot be owning mines while the masses are languishing in poverty
The king must to resign
From my knowledge, I only know the king to have over twenty wives and does nothing else.
The king must go
Gcina Dlamini, silima... Who appoints the council you fool?
Mwsati akavule emaphathi avalwe Nguye .Nguye inkhosi hhayi sobhuza
There is nothing wrong with monarchy. The only problem is incompetence.
Lol 😆 u will live under a king
It seems that power is the same as the same as what Dr Thomas Sowell
This "king" is a villain and a thief. He has amassed millions which should have gone to the people. Who needs 23 Rolls and 125 BMWs? This so called king is not a patch as good as his king, Sabuza 11
What type of change do you want Young people? You should be very careful about changing or change because the last time we checked Change in Libya and congo have destroyed those countries
Also Ethiopia.
I don't think democracy driven by angry youth will work.. the King must go back to his people provide a space where young people are allowed to work …live their full potential. Yo know this country can lead by example that a Monarch led by Black people can be functional
As a Zimbabwean I can relate to what the swatis are going through. We both have selfish people ruling our country and can fight together to rid our nations of these selfish people
As an American, it's wild learning about African politics, ya'll are wild. I pray for the best outcome for your people.
Wild?
Gcina Dlamini is one of the few people who are benefitting from this Government of the Royal kraal , and he needs to stop carrying corrugated iron on a windy day
He can't even give a good point 🙄. Mswati doesn't consult with anyone. He doesn't want to reconsile the nation. He must be stripped off power.
Good. Mswati is a waste of time. He and his entire family are ridiculous
Guy with sunglasses is so funny,we can tell where he's getting his bread from! Good luck to simple plain people and hope they get the Democracy they wish for! Kick your King out, give him and his family $50 each to survive for a day or two!
Mswati must fall we are tired
It is dangerous to let immature thinking without any experience dectate the direction of the country. What do those so called young people know about governance?
Did the French people know how to govern a state when they beheaded Louis 14?
It seems they know enough that the current state of affairs is not working 😕
mswati must be out of power.
Leave that contry alone ,it whould be better for the people
We have whites but also black do that
The host can't help but show forth her own bias. If you think that not correct, check again. The only person she pushes back with and asks questions is the one talking good about the monarchy. What is worse are the figures she throws around as fact that are not, the statements she makes matter of factly that no one corrects. The colonialists did a great job here in Africa. Every time there is talk if change its Africans adopting western culture. The Americans are still holding on to a 400 year old constitution yet demanding all Africans change theirs. You are smart and current if you agree with Western Democracy norms. Even now as Australians are living under a heavy yoke, most countries in Europe making unvaccinates peoples lives hell, yet because they do what the overlords deem correct they are called free and democratic. Africans will you ever wake up? Name one country that removed their king, changed their way of life that has their people in a better state here in Africa.
I completely disagree with your view.
Most african monarchies in their current state are a result of their willingness to work with the powers at be, with the so called conservative values
Well said Tony. These protests are instigated by communists if the NWO. The King should take care of his oeople, wuthout them is he nothing. If ant of these peipke have any idea how mych worse the NWO totalitarian rwgime will be they will help the kibg find solution. A young man was arrested, in the titalutaruan state develiping in Africa they wull disappear completely. Get the communists out it wull destroy us all.
France
Challenging the status quo is what you hope a journalist will do. The status quo has a right to also justify its existence. If the other side one day gets into power hypothetical speaking they should expect the same level of scrutiny as well. All these countries that failed can be analysed on a case by case basis. All this talk about colonialism is nothing but waffling. If you are in power or defend the status quo expect the scrutiny simple as, if its as good as you believe you can defend it.