I’m not so sure it’s a minority anymore at least. Lots of people are realising that disc brakes are unnecessary weight for the majority of riding and wanting to go back to lightweight. I reckon they will come back into vogue for the Mainstream.
@@onthemoveot you can still get rim brakes on cheaper bikes, becauss they are cheaper and perform worse than discs. But if you get into more expensive bikes it just makes more sense, the difference in stopping power is so huge. As for the weight argument, 100 grams or 200 really dont matter as much as people think it does, even whem going up mountains, and also going down the advantages of better braking will more than make up for it. The only place where you can really feel every gram is the wheels because its rotating mass, if someone tells you the can feel a difference of 500 grams on a bike frame they are lying
I’ve a Specialized tarmac Sl6 with rim brakes- relatively modern frame (which replaced sl4 under lifetime warranty - thanks to my LBS’ eagle eye!)direct mounted brakes and mechanical 105 groupset. Sort of still love and increasingly so! I hope your next video isn’t the one to kill rim brakes off 🤞😁
I love how distinctly different Jimmi’s video is from this one, even though they both cover the same subject. Jimmi’s vid really shows the craftsmanship in bike building, and yes, it has a much more of a chill vibe vs the quick cut style of Francis’s videos. Love ‘em both, tbh! Ride on, good people!
I am 100% with Jimmy on which way around to have your AXS shifting. I changed mine working a week when I fitted them, as I kept shifting the wrong way. 👏
Just the non round stem! I have the Addict not as high spec a version of this but the stem is a let down. Makes mounting devices much more challenging. But she rides lovely
Just wondering if you are just testing the frame was it a good idea to cut the steerer down. Just a observation!!! Great looking frame!! Long live rim brakes hehe
Loving these videos, Francis. Since watching these recent builds and upgrades, I've really grasped the understanding in bike tech and parts - I've even been having a go myself, now. Thanks man.
I have used di2 on my TT bike for a couple of years now with single buttons on the skis and am very used to left button goes up cassette and right button goes down, however the second I put etap on my road bike my natural instinct even with years of conditioning was to push the right button to go up the cassette and left to go down.....weird 🤷
So cool of Scott to send that frameset!! I know some people love rim brakes, but they aren't for me. I enjoy my discs. To each their own! I'm curious to find out Francis' opinion though.
I'm building my mechanical 12 speed sram red/force/rival groupset for my road bike, using used parts, adding the conversion kit from ratio. super hyped to get it done.
Both great saddles. Stealth gets too wide too suddenly on the wings for me, and also the rails don’t allow me to mount it quite as far back as I need it. But extra points for the light mounting holes on the back.
This isn’t related to this video directly but! I stumbled across your content about 3 months ago whilst recovering from a partially torn achilles, you have re invigorated my love for cycling, after 5 years off the bike Iv rebuilt my road bike and I’m using it to recover from my injury, love your content and your vibe, keep up the great work! Also rim brakes 👌 everytime
Very nice very blue, it's interesting to see the difference in filming between Jimmi and yourself. Now it explains the reason for rim brake bike, though Jimmi referred to borrowing the wheels as robbed.😂
Just a nod to Jimmi - I felt exactly the same way about that groupset and the config of the shifters. I have SRAM Force wireless 12-speed too, and had the right paddle pushing the chain "up" the cassette to a gentler gear... aaaaaaand then something broke in my brain and I revised the config back to the quote-unquote normal way. I'm with you in spirit Jimmi! Great classic-style build, everyone.
Hmmm, a frame pump Francis-and I thought I was the only one still carrying one….. Mine is on my gravel bike and came off a Raleigh hybrid I had about 25 years ago…..😂
Nice vid, but.. cutting carbon fork steerer workshop practice requires a damp cloth to capture the carbon dust and reduce chance of introduction into the workshop.. for obvious reasons. As are disposable gloves.
Thanks a lot for the video. For me I love the fact that it has a frame pump on it, I think it's the 'cherry' on top of a great looking bike. Btw hasn't James (bike fit Tuesday) got a bike with a frame pump? As always a pleasure to watch.
Another really nice build there Francis 👌. Just keep watch on the front chain ring's plastics. My new bike's Force etap groupset has suffered two "plastic fails" ( warranty covered from sram 👏👍)..... my sram red etap axs groupset has been faultless 👍👌
I would think they get around this by the fact it was available in the past. I have raced UCI events on a bike no longer available but on the UCI list.
When GCN and other youtube influencers are promoting that the disc brake is the best brakes for road bikes, why would the UCI develop the up and coming pro-riders in their U23 squad with bikes using (not the best) rim brakes?
Why don’t they sell them exactly? There’s a real market for high end rim brake frame sets that I don’t need to import from China with my fingers crossed.
Today I bought some latex after endless light tubes gave up, my anti cycling girlfriend wasn’t impressed . Super light butyl supersonic out the window. Talc’d up Latex in. I enjoy the cheap China gruppo build real world reviews Cade. Cheeers
So they will supply uci racers with them but not the public who are willing to pay... This says what is wrong with the cycling industry reguardless of which side of the disc or rim brake fence you're on... what's wrong with having a choice 🤷♂️
What a beautiful classic looking bike. Less is more. A shame they don't sell these frames anymore.
i think safety is only a small aspect of this topic.
why it has two top tubes?
@@thejeffinvade Frame pump.
They need to start selling this. So many rim brake fans they could monetise on.
Manufacturers are like a gang
@@the.communist Or people who want to buy a new rim brake bike are actually a small minority and bike manufacturers prefer to sell more bikes.
I’m not so sure it’s a minority anymore at least. Lots of people are realising that disc brakes are unnecessary weight for the majority of riding and wanting to go back to lightweight. I reckon they will come back into vogue for the Mainstream.
@@onthemoveot +++
@@onthemoveot you can still get rim brakes on cheaper bikes, becauss they are cheaper and perform worse than discs. But if you get into more expensive bikes it just makes more sense, the difference in stopping power is so huge. As for the weight argument, 100 grams or 200 really dont matter as much as people think it does, even whem going up mountains, and also going down the advantages of better braking will more than make up for it. The only place where you can really feel every gram is the wheels because its rotating mass, if someone tells you the can feel a difference of 500 grams on a bike frame they are lying
So weird to see a frame pump these days. Takes me back to my early road bike days 40 plus years ago. I thought this bike looked lovely.
I’ve a Specialized tarmac Sl6 with rim brakes- relatively modern frame (which replaced sl4 under lifetime warranty - thanks to my LBS’ eagle eye!)direct mounted brakes and mechanical 105 groupset. Sort of still love and increasingly so!
I hope your next video isn’t the one to kill rim brakes off 🤞😁
I love how distinctly different Jimmi’s video is from this one, even though they both cover the same subject. Jimmi’s vid really shows the craftsmanship in bike building, and yes, it has a much more of a chill vibe vs the quick cut style of Francis’s videos. Love ‘em both, tbh! Ride on, good people!
We have very different styles. Glad you like them both.
sad to see good road bikes aren't sold by mainstream brands anymore
I am 100% with Jimmy on which way around to have your AXS shifting. I changed mine working a week when I fitted them, as I kept shifting the wrong way. 👏
You man!
Round tubes and rim brakes. What's not to love?
I think I saw tubeless
Just the non round stem! I have the Addict not as high spec a version of this but the stem is a let down. Makes mounting devices much more challenging. But she rides lovely
Jimmie has a point re right shifter shifts up the cassette.
great to see large companies sponsor the future.
I'm still on a 2013 Scott Addict RC rim brake and I'd love to upgrade to a bike like this. It really is a shame they don't sell them.
Just wondering if you are just testing the frame was it a good idea to cut the steerer down. Just a observation!!! Great looking frame!! Long live rim brakes hehe
Loving these videos, Francis. Since watching these recent builds and upgrades, I've really grasped the understanding in bike tech and parts - I've even been having a go myself, now. Thanks man.
Saw you Nicked those wheels back on Jimmi's vidy.....😆
Had a Shimano team edition rim Addict in 2013/14... lightest bike and the "one that got away" from me. LOVED it.
@franciscade Spam?
I have used di2 on my TT bike for a couple of years now with single buttons on the skis and am very used to left button goes up cassette and right button goes down, however the second I put etap on my road bike my natural instinct even with years of conditioning was to push the right button to go up the cassette and left to go down.....weird 🤷
That's a really nice looking bike....paint, proportions, components, etc. Cheers
Gorgeous. I love when rear triangle tubes meet with top tube. Classic looking bike. And this paintjob. I love it!
Beautiful bike so glad I'm still riding my rim brake pinarello lovely machine great video Francis.
I’ve got to say, I agreed with Jimmy the first time I started using my sram force, soon got used to it though!
So cool of Scott to send that frameset!! I know some people love rim brakes, but they aren't for me. I enjoy my discs. To each their own! I'm curious to find out Francis' opinion though.
I'm building my mechanical 12 speed sram red/force/rival groupset for my road bike, using used parts, adding the conversion kit from ratio. super hyped to get it done.
now that's a proper race bike! 😍
Please ask Scott why they think a rim brake frame is good for junior racers but not the rest of us.
Cause we are paying customers n a disc technology bike cost more.
Yeah and ask the UCI why they don't have to obey their own rules! I'm sure equipment used in UCI events has to be available to the general public.
Do you have a preference between the Pro Stealth and the Selle Italia Superflow?
Both great saddles. Stealth gets too wide too suddenly on the wings for me, and also the rails don’t allow me to mount it quite as far back as I need it.
But extra points for the light mounting holes on the back.
This isn’t related to this video directly but! I stumbled across your content about 3 months ago whilst recovering from a partially torn achilles, you have re invigorated my love for cycling, after 5 years off the bike Iv rebuilt my road bike and I’m using it to recover from my injury, love your content and your vibe, keep up the great work! Also rim brakes 👌 everytime
thanks so much Steve!
also please ignore that spam comment before, I have deleted. Scammers going around TH-cam....
Very nice very blue, it's interesting to see the difference in filming between Jimmi and yourself. Now it explains the reason for rim brake bike, though Jimmi referred to borrowing the wheels as robbed.😂
Just a nod to Jimmi - I felt exactly the same way about that groupset and the config of the shifters. I have SRAM Force wireless 12-speed too, and had the right paddle pushing the chain "up" the cassette to a gentler gear... aaaaaaand then something broke in my brain and I revised the config back to the quote-unquote normal way. I'm with you in spirit Jimmi! Great classic-style build, everyone.
Nice one Ben. You knows it.
With those bikes hanging on the wall and below, your room has all the makings of a future in-house bike museum… 😎🍻
Why don’t they sell these? I would love to be able to by a decent rim braked bike.
Beauty in simplicity! Are the tires 28 or 30mm?
pretty sure this is my first time seeing force axs rim calipers. they look really good
You guys are so good together ! Brilliant mate
What a relief to see a rim brake bike again, great looking bike! (bin the pump,there must be bigger ones available ).
that leave it in large gear and take out the battery is a cool tip
Love the Scott Addict frame. Super lightweight
Hmmm, a frame pump Francis-and I thought I was the only one still carrying one….. Mine is on my gravel bike and came off a Raleigh hybrid I had about 25 years ago…..😂
WOW. What a beautiful bike. Shame that’s not available. 👏👏👏👏
Good looking bike and it’s good to see rim brakes.
Nice vid, but.. cutting carbon fork steerer workshop practice requires a damp cloth to capture the carbon dust and reduce chance of introduction into the workshop.. for obvious reasons. As are disposable gloves.
Until some one picks the bike up and puts it in the back of a van. Then no matter how quickly you walk you won’t catch them.
You’re right, we do appreciate it.
Lovely bike. Making me now want to put this groupset on my tcr and not buy a disc brake one 🤦♀️
1:35 yea SRAM is weird!
I know this bike! I'm from Mauritius and this framset is widely used here in many youth teams!
Following your channel from the last two years, interesting content!
Sram force axs RIM BRAKE. Woh now that's SICK.
Thanks a lot for the video. For me I love the fact that it has a frame pump on it, I think it's the 'cherry' on top of a great looking bike.
Btw hasn't James (bike fit Tuesday) got a bike with a frame pump?
As always a pleasure to watch.
Another really nice build there Francis 👌. Just keep watch on the front chain ring's plastics. My new bike's Force etap groupset has suffered two "plastic fails" ( warranty covered from sram 👏👍)..... my sram red etap axs groupset has been faultless 👍👌
I remember a while ago you were giving away one of the Garmin solar gps's. Did that ever happen as I didnt see any update in later videos since then.
The outdoor beauty shots of the bike are gorgeous 👍👍👍
RIM 2 WIN
@FrancisCade Casey’s back in NY…. He’s back back……time to schedule another trip 😉.
what??? sram force available in rim version??? since when? they were saying it will be only disc going forward
This bike looks just amazing!!
I thought bike used in racing needed to be commercially available ? (or at least closed to it)
Me too.
I would think they get around this by the fact it was available in the past. I have raced UCI events on a bike no longer available but on the UCI list.
@@morrisizing Yeah I guess that makes sense. Thanks
Off topic I’m afraid. But what would be max tyre width I can use on my addict RC 2022 for a gravel tyre.
Initial thinking Is the Panaracer 32’s
Can see some aero gains coming 👀👀
Highest gear at a cafe stop. Everything old is new again, I guess.
Beautiful bike! More rim brakes!
👍
We actually got to that place where rim breaks are weird... I still rock them and I'll switch to discs when they finish engineering them. lol
It really does say something when I saw those scales I was surprised it didn't begin with a 6
bars and stem!
@@Cade_Media such a shame that we don't even have the option to buy these superlight bikes anymore
I agree with Jimmi on the shifter setup. I always set my AXS up like that. "Push the bike to an easier gear".
My man!
did you ever notice the flaws on the drive spokes?
When GCN and other youtube influencers are promoting that the disc brake is the best brakes for road bikes, why would the UCI develop the up and coming pro-riders in their U23 squad with bikes using (not the best) rim brakes?
Jimmy beat to the punch. Posted the build video yesterday.🤦🏻♂️😆
Nice looking bike though
Why don’t they sell them exactly? There’s a real market for high end rim brake frame sets that I don’t need to import from China with my fingers crossed.
Great to see the long-awaited return of the GT85
What are those wall mounts you use?
you should test an aliexpress 12s cassette and chain on this bike to see how it matches up to the force stuff
That’s a super light bike! But Jimmy’s build video was much more therapeutic. 💪😉
So zen 🙏
@@Cade_Media that’s the word I was searching for. 😉
Rimmm braaakkkesss😍 very nice frame!
thanks for the video I would buy that bike
Why does it need a pump? Because it has rimbrakes??
Hi : please check minute 4:05 am I mistaken or you mounted the brakes up-side down (the yellow rubber can flip out while the front wheel rotates) 😱
That's the rear wheel!
@@Cade_Media yeeeeea : you're right, my mistake. Ride safely 😇
I like the set-up ....
Thanks Francis..are wheels specific ? Rim or disc only ..
most are yes, but some wheels like spinonthese have a braking surface but a disc hub with adapters so you can run it rim or disc which is pretty neat
@@Cade_Media cool. Thanks
Uk hillclimb season videos come up? Might explain the focus on light bikes lately.
not intentional, but I am heading to the struggle hill climb this month!
7.0 kg AND with rim brakes ❤❤❤❤ !
not even direct mount rim brakes??
Thought the same, manufacturers are fooked.
I like this bike,nice build! 👌
If Scott sold this frameset, they would sell so many of them
Probably not.
Se mira bastante bien 🤘🏻 , saludos 🇲🇽
The vayar with this groupo would be a killer bike
Will the team be selling those off after the season!! Long live the rim brake !
what bar tape do you use
When the pros don't even want disc brakes, something's gotta give
I have been doing the lowest gear ⚙ parking...for years...I recommend it to everyone.
Today I bought some latex after endless light tubes gave up, my anti cycling girlfriend wasn’t impressed . Super light butyl supersonic out the window. Talc’d up Latex in. I enjoy the cheap China gruppo build real world reviews Cade. Cheeers
I said for a few years that disc brake are useless on roadbike until you weight 90kg or more.
Did you check with Scott b4 cutting the steerer tube/ slamming the stem? Or are you hoping that faux pas will enable you to keep the bike….😂
you're on to me, don't tell scott
Drooling rn over that bike.
That is one very good looking bicycle.
Shame Scott don't sell that frame. Have you enquired as to why this is?
Tubeless on rim brake. As long as it’s not too hot
Wait you can still buy sram E-tap with rim brakes?!?!
Are you still planning on testing out the Sora groupset?
Yeah I have a Sora and Tiagra, but nothing to put it on 🤔
@@Cade_Media Lightweight bike!
@@Jimmidoesstuff My Guy!
The SRAM wrap system seems so much better designed than the Shimano wired Di2. Is this because SRAM has the patents, and Shimano is a work around?
There's definitely perks to both, but in terms of design SRAM being truly wireless definitely have an edge for installation
Looks like they use old addict rc frame
those tires are beautiful, like unbranded gatorskins.
So the 'upload time agreement' worked well then... 8)
So they will supply uci racers with them but not the public who are willing to pay...
This says what is wrong with the cycling industry reguardless of which side of the disc or rim brake fence you're on... what's wrong with having a choice 🤷♂️