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- We speak to the VICE reporters who criss-crossed the United States covering a growing problem within the American military: far-right extremism.
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I'm a Veteran
I fought for ALL Americans and for all humans to have a chance at freedom. Period
Anything less is unconstitutional
Thank you
noice
Thanks for participating in genocide
You didn't fight for anything or anyone. Yall really have believe that and it's comical.
@LostlikeNemo82 Making doomer comments like these are what drives these vets to extremism. Did you watch the video?
“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Thucydides
Who exactly is Thucydides? Also, are you willing to become a scholar AND a warrior? Or just a scholar?
@@achinthmurali5207 the great thing about being in the army is that you have the option to be both. I'm not a Wikipedia, look it up.
@@JAKphoenixify I’m in the Navy. I am both.
@@JAKphoenixify apparently Thucydides was a man who believed that history was scientific. As in without intervention by gods or God. Interesting.
We don't need brain dead militarists doing our thinking for us.
I spent 6 years in the Marine Corp. Please understand this a very, very small group of people that does not represent our core values/ethos. We threw a quadcon party for the last guy that said something stupid (no, it’s not an actual party). Kinda feel like this reporting groups all the good in with the bad in a dishonest way.
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Like cops in America?
Yet they will say nothing about the actual N@zis in Ukraine who are putting the ideology into action
@@indiasuperclean6969 what about inside plumbing?
No it's not
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.” G. Carlin
And yet what is stupidity? Can you do everything no matter what to perfection? Do you know everything there is to know on this rock? If not doesn't that make you stupid?
And if it's just dependant upon the ideology or your own opinion then everyone and no one is an idiot at the same time
@@Gnomkiller2000 shh, the adults are talking. Here... 🥛
@@Deckardrick007 cause that response seems all grown up, doesn't it? Anyways don't want to answer or are you just lacking them?
@@Gnomkiller2000 why do people with soft triggers always assume those who disagree consider themselves perfect? Stupidity you can find in a dictionary kid and this more of a "common sense" take, something you definitely lack.
True, sleepy joe got elected by one of those groups
The military is a lot like going to jail or being a ward of the state. When your time's up they just kick you out on your ass with whatever you have. Even if you have nothing
fr, I can't even get a copy of my DD-214 so I can get my 10% at Lowe's
Sounds like my mid western impoverished family.
That's BS. Maybe in an anecdotal sense, but you have a giant checklist that needs to be signed off on before you clear post in mist cases, and a thousand chances to get help in all directions. If you feel alone, it's because you isolate yourself.
@@MarcillaSmithI have friends like you, they want someone else to do it, so they sit and complain until someone does. Go file an SF 180 and stop waiting for someone to hold your hand.
@dreaming I filed it years ago and St. Louis says they lost it.
Meanwhile, I'm reminded of an old saying about what happens when we a finger at others...
This is why I have always believed that the military should have a transition period for soldiers getting out if the military. A group to help them decompress and adjust to civilian live and also help them find jobs. It would also be smart to do this with prisoners. It could really go a long way with preventing them from reoffending.
They already do this
They do. Some use it, some don’t.
This isn’t related at all. Veterans aren’t joining cause they need a group. They have an ideology and they don’t feel represented in government. Just like other groups. Difference is, they’re more familiar with military organization.
They already have this and it's required to get out. It either spans a month or a couple weeks depending on your leadership.
Ignorance does not cover stupidity. The KKK was created by Democrats. And the military is significantly stable unlike the liberals who dream up this garbage.
No fucking transition is going to help you make friends lmao. So we search out other veterans who are often in paramilitary groups.
I'm a disabled Veteran from a military family, being born on an Army base. My mother's ancestors fought for the Union my fathers the Confederacy. I've never I heard either side bemoaning how many "Aryans" have died in support of our military. The basis for the majority of this bigotry and racism is family orientation. My father's side most certainly expressed racist and prejudiced views, my mothers had little to no contact with people of other races, so they harbored minor levels of prejudice, because there are frequently reasons for stereotyping, and it frequently results in prejudice born of ignorance. Because white men are being bombarded with the "replacement narrative more and more are going too far right. I believe a level of Civil War (disintegration) is inevitable and likely not far away.
Shut up Redditor
The great replace is real. It's can be seen by statistics. Not just with your own two eyes, and it's happening not only in the US; but specifically to all wh1te countries and we will have to fight for our lands, one way or the other. There will be consquences for what we've been subjected to.
No its not it's just another misguided ideology that they put there energy into which is perfect for the government and no one's gonna do something so foolish as to start an idiotic race war because the majority of people aren't that dumb anymore,but then again they did freak out on toilet paper supply and demand but if u see Satan every where that's all you'll see
Yeah that might be all true but unfortunately when wyt people say, when will the sin's of the father stop falling on the son's.... As if the son's are innocent by default when they're benefiting still from the father's sin's as if it's not obvious what has happened by leaving wyt people in power for far to long! Regardless if you or a 100 others like you can see through the bs it doesn't make a difference when it's going to take a majority to rid the world of oppressor's! Not the people y'all claim are dictators/tyrants because they don't wanna go along with amerikkka bs!
If you think white people are oppressors then your a racist.
If you think a random white person today is guilty of anything some random people did many decades ago then your racist. I am for people coming together. A lot of people want to blame the “other” for their own issues. Not I’m 2023. Everyone in America has the chance to reach the heights that you want to reach. This ideology of blaming is over. The only person holding you back is yourself
Just going to say that the majority of the military receives little to no tactical combat training. Careful how you generalize your comments.
Man I'd be so uncomfortable in those chairs
I know they couldn’t find better chairs to sit it? There basically stools.
Honestly this just makes me sick. They use the oath we swore to as a means to manipulate.
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I worked around white supremacists for so long. 24 years. It' gave me permanent anxiety. It's hard to trust people now.
I remember years ago there was a video of a gang member shooting at police in the street. My dad seen it and said he's slicing the pie, it was obvious that guy had some weapons training. later learned This guy was an active gang member who went to the military so he took his redefined skills back to the streets. This has been happening for a long time.
Yep. Dallas. I remember that.
I remember hearing about that. If I remember correctly, the police had a really hard time catching the person due to their training.
@@randomman099 The guy was former Army, and was extremely aggressive in his actions, and even outmaneuvered a police officer in close combat. The guy ended up taking refuge at the end of a hallway, and after hours of trying to get him out, police sent in an EOD bot with a pound of C4 attached to it, and detonated it on him, killing him.
@@darklyripley6138 Damm, that's insane
@@darklyripley6138 yess the R2FU
You served for freedom, not to take it away from others
Sooner or later it’s gonna pop off and it’s gonna be so ugly everywhere, this country has been through so much, it’s so scary that’s it’s only a matter of time before the real life “Division” actually happens
Maybe before then you can learn how to use apostrophes?
Pointless attacks on grammar is a sign that you have no real argument or nothing of substance to add….. why even waste time commenting if you aren’t going to add anything to discourse? Your just being obtuse atp….. go jerk off into your American flag or scare minorities in your neighborhood or something bro….
+GreenGhost500 Been saying this for years. White supremacy is the real cancer in this country. It’s one that’s been festering and spreading for decades. so many people are in denial.
Crazy how every "complaint" in the comments section ("how do you define 'extremist?'" and "it's a small number!") is explicitly addressed in the video. Almost like the commenters didn't watch the video in good faith...
Anyone that watches the video and says that, or doesn't watch it and still says that, are deficient and shouldn't be voting on society. They're defending their own selves in some way or another. Bit of on outdated rural outback view when they have the whole internet at their fingertips to be a normal human being.
Really, until your gun culture changes, this isn't going anywhere. Simple answer impossible fix.
They didn't.
First off, they didn’t. Secondly, they don’t apply the same to the left, which is why they constantly support and defend BLM and antifa, which are basically literal terrorists.
@@darklyripley6138 You'd have to be borderline mentally disabled to think BLM are terrorists. "Antifa" do use violence to achieve political goals, which is super problematic. But their goals aren't genocide. So.. yeah.
@@pqunit BLM are terrorists. They use violence to pursue and achieve political goals. I’ve worked in many areas that were under riot by BLM and Antifa. I’ve seen first hand what they do. They murder people, set fire to blocks, beat people, pull people from their vehicles and beat them, encourage violence, carry out terrorist attacks, and straight up assassinations on a few occasions. Their rhetoric alone has led to bloodshed. Look at the Dallas sniper, and Baton Rouge gunman. Both of them directly cited BLM as an inspiration. Even the so called “leaders” of BLM claim to be marxists and openly speak about the need for violence to achieve their goals.
And let’s not even get into how bad Antifa is. They shot two black kids, mocked one, then executed him in the middle of the street. So much for black lives mattering. Or how about when they tried to murder a 17 year old in Kenosha. Fortunately he was able to defend himself, but that just goes to show how violent these people are.
Their goals aren’t genocide? First off, that’s a super low bar. You’re basically saying “Yeah, they destroy peoples homes and livelihoods, murdered dozens and dozens of people, beat people, pull white people from their vehicles and beat them, encourage violence, and have led directly to numerous mass shootings, but at least their goal isn’t genocide!”. Like, really? Congratulations, want a cookie? If that’s the standard you hold people to, you have no morality.
Secondly, why does that matter? Are you trying to say there are genocidal people? Where are they? What have they done? Outside of a few cases, which admittedly are tragic and should be condemned, they aren’t out there doing anything. They certainly don’t have the support or power that BLM and Antifa have.
Extremism and often even gang-affiliated membership in the military isn’t new - but they also are a minority.
This
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They weren't always.
Back in 06-07 they were actively recruiting dudes with gang tattoos and criminal records just to summarily discharge them after things cooled off
I remember when I was in navy boot camp I saw a guy throwing up gang signs happy that he had passed his swim qualification 🤣
@@MrSweetpoeticjustice lmfao gotta love breaking stereotypes
When I was younger I thought the boog bois was just gun owning shitposters...ohh how things have changed
As a military child who grew up during all of this. Both me and my older sister did. We fortunately got out of our home before our dad’s extremism had gotten worse. He’s a former lt colonel in the army and has gotten more radical since he’s gotten out and he got my younger brother to join to follow his footsteps. I hear the subtle white supremacy in both their words and it concerns me. I wish be would talk to some children who’s parents were active duty during the most intense parts of the war on terror. I know several who now have had to back off due to their parents views getting worse. Just something I think might help shed some light
What is your definition of extremist? today, we like to redefine our meanings to fit our agenda. Liberals are trying to call republicans nazis...so think about that radical term. If radicals serve in the military, then you dont have much say, if they protect you and you dont.
What a bunch of bullshit.
@@doni9262 there are radicals im the military
@@doni9262you mean like our former Republican president? The one who attempted a coup and who just had dinner with a Nazi? Yeah that’s RADICAL
It’s a scary situation and only getting worse. I’m grateful that both you and your sister got out safely. So much poison fruit from the odious and stupid “war on terror”
Former Combat Medic..."love my Country....hate my government."
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Same besides the combat part and military service unless you count games
I wonder also if maybe run of the mill racists are attracted to joining the military. There is an uncomfortable relationship between extreme patriotism and xenophobia.
You should watch another doc vice has done. They have one about racism in the army
This may be a real problem...but Vice probably isn't the group to handle it well
Vice doesn't handle problems, they simply report on them...
You don't have to agree with Vice everytime. You are free to disagree, verify their sources and do your own research. Your comment suggests that you prefer a news outlet that tells you exactly what you want to believe. That's called being a sheltered snowflake.
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@@src3360 id say they (vice) amplify problems. Especially if it serves there socialist narrative.
They were bad apples before they came in. A few hundred knuckle draggers cannot be the face and voice of the countless hundreds of thousands who have served honorably.
Question, if all the men who are there to say "I don't believe in what your saying but I'll give my life to defend your right to say it" are being isolated from your society who will protect your freedoms when push comes to shove?
Edit: supporting the police is rasim now?
When your getting robbed/bashed/raped/whatever don't complain when there is no one to help you because you defunded them and told them they are the enemy.
Preach!
They support the Police but only when they go after people who they consider their enemies.
No one wants to be a Police Officer anymore after 2020 & the Covid Enforcement and after 20 years of the GWOT, Regime changes and bad Leadership no one wants to join the US Military.
Two steps ahead of you there I would never ever call the police
"Hope you never need to call a bunch of untrained morons to show up two hours late and then not catch the guy"
Sounds like victim syndrome. This isn’t bashing the military as a whole, it’s highlighting the inner seeds that are producing some extremism. If anything, your analogy is perpetuating the victim hood.
Video is 21:59 minutes long and hate-watchers are already bashing it within less than 10 minutes. 😳
It's propaganda..
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@@teachmetheway928 ok white guy
@@teachmetheway928 It's propaganda because you don't like what it says
The racist friends we had in the military made it all the better lol. We had a white nat and black supremacy Corpsman crew and it was beautiful, some of the finest men to serve by
That's what I love about the military. Black or white, everyone is green first. Lots of people forget that the ARMY very aggressively stamps out racism in any form post 1960s.
Vice News turned off comments on their trans kid video and not this. Biased much?
I never had this problem when I was in the military!
14:47. It's not a marsoc symbol the ss was for scout snipers
Exactly! I caught that too… and then the comment of them killing indiscriminately. The Raiders are the most professional Marines I have met and worked with. They don’t just randomly kill people.
But why was it double lightning bolts and not just normal SS
No no the NAZI ss not just a normal ss
@@ilovewarw2 what?
@@nickwancho he says Nazi SS, the nazi SS was a highly trained unit in the third reich, also known as Hitler’s personal guard.
I spent 16 years in the USN. 8 of those years in Iraq. If you were there and didn’t come home with a left mindset you didn’t pay attention.
That’s a bad thing lol
@@duby9811 is it? What have right wing views really done for anyone, seriously.
@@JamesSmith-qw3sp well they certainly built nations and done a lot, you’ve seen what the leftist mindset does, unless a porn addicted society that emphasizes black and Asians on a high pedestal/infrastructure collapse/economic collapse, is what you want, then you are probably having the time of your life rn
@@duby9811 you’re delusional chief, sorry to tell ya but someone had to.
@@JamesSmith-qw3sp coming from a generic person like James smith, a literal NPC, sorry bozo but you ain’t winning this one
The pentagon shouldn't be investigating american citizens on american soil... that's the domain of the police and FBI. The US military should never be used against its citizens.
I remember I went to basic training in 2004 there was about 4 guys that never seen a black person I couldn't comprehend it
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@@rvre um ok
@@vicentee2687 lol really 4 people, from America?
@@blackfox4526 yea bro I was a 19k was ft Knox ky we had some guy from the Stix dudes said they never seen black people until they got to basic I couldn't belive them either
@@vicentee2687 that's just outrageous. In 2004 in America never seen a black man. They really be isolated then, where they from. I suspect they from a small country county.
Hey Vice, hire a couple of journalists or collaborate with freelance journalists who have served in our military.
Service members (SM) from different branches have different perspectives as well, and the active duty experiences of a Marine, Soldier, Sailor, and Airman will be different. A combat arms SM will have a different experience than combat support. That will give you a much better look into this fringe movement.
I just don't think Ben has any idea what he's talking about when he postulates what is going on in the military, or what is going on in the head of a SM before, during, and after their service.
True, and it's obvious this is a leftist perspective - only identifying the Right as the problem with the Extremis not BLM, pro-HAMAS Extremists, etc.
These are the guys who took $1200 instead of the GI Bill.
That's the smartest thing I've heard all day.
Y’all blind as hell.
i didnt hear a single interview by a soldier or a veteran. pretty much bias content by these interviewee's
This is absolutely true! A lot of the nationalists go to military. This happens all over the world in all militaries
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Not my truth
This full blown propaganda channel how are this dumb to fall this.
And you dont have a say in anything, beccause you rely on them to protect you.... nationalism is just plural patiriotism
Would be interesting to see more reformed people.
who would have thought. Nationalists going in and out of the national service. Yikes.
Imagine committing treason while calling yourself patriot.
Imagine destroying your country in the name of 'equality'. You don't practice equality, at least not true equality where everyone is completely equal to each other and have no special privileges whatsoever, you and your ilk simply practice a new form of supremacist ideology.
@@hoplite2405 where in my comment did I say I support special treatment?
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You don't have to say it, your ideology already does.
@Hoplite I didn't even talk of an ideology. I merely pointed out the fact that undermining the very country you swore to protect is treasonous. If I didn't make myself clear enough, I absolutely believe in equality of opportunity and absolute free speech.
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hmm. it must be my skitzophrenia. i am sorry, my friend. the way society is now, all the division, has me paranoid. In October, I was told by my brain doctor that my brain (something or another, I wanna say waves. I forget the term he used.) is on levels higher than that of soldiers who went through Iraq and Afghanistan. Sad part is, I wasn't even over there. I'm autistic, so I couldn't even enlist.
Field notes is a great series
What about CHAZ/CHOP 😭
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Hmmm, it's almost like that occurred because white nationalists and ex military members denied other Americans their constitutional rights in favor of immediate executions instead...nahhhh that can't be it right? 🙄
According to Republicans, violent occupation of government buildings isn’t terrorism.
Ever lookup whataboutism?
What about the thing that existed for a few weeks
Far Cry 5?
Go Woke Go Broke Vice.
Do a episode on bush secret declassified meeting of him knowing about the terror attack years b4 it happened.
And causing them too
If the Republican party believes the military has a PR problem from all these negative reports coming out, maybe the Senate Armed Services Committee should not have barred that budget line to investigate the issue. The US government has always been accused of a transparency and accountability problem, so why should the largest, most expensive military in the history of the world also not be held to their own account? If the perception of extremism is truly what is hurting their enlistment numbers, maybe they need to be providing concrete evidence of its real prevalence instead of just hinting at its extent? And maybe it might be more to the point that military service and the benefits it claims to provide are not offering much of a sustainable, prospering lifestyle and career path as it once did.
Just because there are negative reports doesn't make some thing true. Look at the Men too movement. it's a shame and its every body playing the telephone game. You really need to stop trusting the Democratic Party.
A lot of these weirdos think being a conservative means your an extremist, not realizing they are the ones being radicalized themselves
Jesus. The woman in this interview is the most masculine of the three. Thank the good Lord that Vice is going bankrupt.
It doesn't matter if the wars were popular. If you train enough people that violence and killing is the solution to foreign political problems, when they come home they will believe that violence and killing is the political solution in the USA.
Inside The Military's Extremism Problem | Field Notes
It must be difficult for people who have not served in our military to fully understand what such experience is like. I served in the Marine Corps in the early 1980’s (Cold War) in the MOS of 4421; Legal Services Specialist. It was an easy admin job compared to most other jobs in the Corps. My duties dealt with typing up charge sheets for courts-martial or Article 15 hearings, JAG Manual investigations, filing documents, researching base orders, etc., all before personal computers were introduced. I saw a lot of abuse of power and some cover-ups to protect officers’ carriers. What a didn’t see was extremism. Yes, there was some self-segregation based on race during off-time, but racism was not prevalent.
Ben pointed out extremism increases when troops return home from combat. Perhaps this is why I didn’t see extremism or racism during my time in service which was a time of relative peace. Starting in boot camp, I recall our drill instructor saying to us “There are no black Marines or white Marines. There are only green Marines. Some are light green and some are dark green but our blood is red and we are brothers one and all.” or words to that effect. Racism was not tolerated.
Professor Kathleen Belew of Northwestern University observed “we know how it works, we just don’t have the real-time information to know exactly where we are.” Around 2010, while working for a government services contractor, I recall a warehouse worker was fired for accessing a porn site on a government computer. By then, computers were ubiquitous, and access were controlled by use of a common access card (CAC), which identifies who is logged onto a computer. And I recall our systems administrator cautioning us with “Every keystroke is recorded somewhere.” The point is the DoD has the capability to identify who embraces extremist views. The DoD can identify the enemy within.
Ben said “The Senate Armed Services Committee literally put a stop to it. They put a line in a budget this year to direct the Pentagon to stop looking into this. And to stop putting funds into this.” This is surprising to me. However, I could not find the legislation he is referring to.
Something I did find of interest is a Congressional Research Service paper titled FY2022 NDAA: Extremism in the Military IN11779 (congress.gov)
Interesting to hear of your service during the cold war and while the Marines may have their saying about "only green Marines" I think you'll have to admit the USA does have issues with racial tension/ Here in Canada I had a friend who was with the Canadian Airborne Regiment in the mids 80's to get his "wings" and after the Somalia affair he said the regiment was quite full of Nazi sympathizer's (de rigueur of the times youth in the Skinhead movement and such I'm sure you'll recall) and racist and his wasn't surprised by the happenings that led to the Regiments disbandment. That said I believe there are problems across all Western Militaries with extremism and with the youth in particular it seems to break out in cases of leather and swastikas look no further to Germany or the Donbas region to see cases of the minority of soldiers following such trends. What worries me about the USA is that most of these guys seem long in the tooth, and they should have dropped such notions by now.
Good points and thanks for sharing your own personal experience. My only concern comes from when the DoD or military has the capability to tackle and look deeply into new trends of extremism in armed services but doesn’t bother using its power. It’s something they’d probably want to do anyways, figuring out what they need to reform or being able to say “they all go extreme after they leave, they’re still somewhat down to earth in the corps” are both strong ways to show the public their concerns are being listened to.
Growing up post 9/11, I know many people who graduated HS and went into the military but would avoid a branch because its recruits were “too weird” and rarer instances of people who used to want to be a soldier but stopped because the military had politicized itself/with help from Congress from things like Gay enlistment and the Punisher/operator culture.
Toxic wasnt the right word, Volatile is the formal and proper word. 17:00 and media always makes it out to look worse than it really is, pure skepticism here.
EXACTLY Vice used to be okay to watch. Now they have turned into CNN
Notice Vice Fake News doent ever talk about all the Antifa trash in the military.
@@steveflower7489 Yep 100% I can't believe what Vice has turned into.
#FarLeftRussianPropaganda
That episode Vice did 'Inside America's Largest Far Right Militia' about a group of old obese 3%'s getting drunk in a forest in Georgia shooting guns was hilarious and scary at the same time. The comment section was particularly funny.
I have recently made a point of thanking soldiers in uniform when I see them in my community. Being in the military is a tough job and thankless. I see how soldiers can become disillusioned and the natural extension of joining an extremist movement. Thank you Vice.
I disagree. What are we thanking them for? I didn’t ask them to shoot up Iraq. If we were invaded, that would be different.
@@seaofroses8888 I know. The whole "the military is keeping us safe" is propaganda. The military is a tool The government uses for geopolitical power abroad and they actually make us less safe by angering people in other countries and making them hate us.
@@seaofroses8888 Thank them for preventing draft enforcement
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So youre cool with dictators and militants if theyre brown?
@@TheSundayShooter If I’m drafted, I’ll move abroad or go to jail. Unless, we are being attacked, then I might consider joining.
It’s very sad but this country will collapse soon because of these people. I won’t be surprised to see a civil war within my lifetime. All of them are armed too, & very few of us are. It’s going to be a sad century for America. 🇺🇸💔
There is nothing civil about war
@@firstlast8258 Stop being dense, you know what they mean
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How about the elites and politicians using our tax dollars on wars
its your fault for not being armed. your choice. noob!
McVeigh was a lone wolf and was kicked out of the Michigan Militia for his radical beliefs more homework for you tell both sides if you report on a topic
I have seen these video in the last few years .is it uploading again ?
4:15 Anti authoritarian isnt antigovernment
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Yes, it is. Government is a form of authority; anti-authoritarian is opposed to authority, therefore anti-authoritarian is opposed to government.
Anti-authoritarian is basically antisocial.
@@A_J502 au·thor·i·tar·i·an·ism
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noun
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
lack of concern for the wishes or opinions of others.
Individual Freedom is the opposite of Authoritarianism.
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So?
That wasn’t my point or addressed anything in my comment.
@@A_J502 Your argument was invalidated by my comment. Freedom of the individual is more important than the government's authority.
Dudes got the devil tatted on his neck…. Great guy 😂
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"Old news-" Native American....".really old news!"
Put all vets in prison 😂😂😂
I think it’s more extreme to prosecute losing wars for 20 years that everyone covered up. But yeah, a few privates with access to M4s are the problems but not the MIC, Profiteers and buffoons in DC.
It's pretty wild watching them talk about how it's "good" to channel angry young white men into the military, and knowing the other side of the media coin - Hollywood entertainment - presents these images of military glory by "blowing away" faceless, identity-free "others."
But then when those angry young white men get their hands on the overpowered gear in the military, but none of the Hollywood-promised glory, they return home with maybe little more than a free buffet at Golden Corral on Veterans Day.
And they wonder how it could be that these disillusioned people end up finding each other and doing some toxic garbage like this :: SMH ::
Exactly
Most of the people vice showed were gun rights people not extremists... "I will not comply" and "come and take it" aren't white supremacist they are pro 2nd amendment.
Two years of college should be required to join the military…. Then boot camp
The military should be required before college.
lol, they have a hard time recruiting even without HS/GED and you want them to have college under their belt? GOOD LUCK!
2 years of woke propaganda teaching then off to government defence camp abd pretend to up hold a oath in a country half a world away with resources like Iraq or Syria
The narrative being spin again not all veterans turn out that way. Soldiers, Marines, Sailor, and Airmans are not make on production lines. If you have problems before joining the service and the problem will continue after you get out.
15:02 blatantly wrong that was the symbol for Scout Snipers hence SS. They did not eventually become raiders that was 1st Recon you guys really need to look into specific units if you’re looking for extremism wink wink the seal teams.
I would counter that th SPEC ops and.msot fo the combat arms guys until very recently had an extremism problem. I have seen it first hand. The people of color amongst the Specops community are very very low, not due to aptitude, but because the near monolithic white formations act as gatekeepers.
Left leaning media.
See this for what it is. "Progressives" (Marxist) attacking men and woman in uniform because those in uniform are far better human beings and they hate it.
@Benito Salazar I am in the uniform, still serving and a hair shy of 20 years, multiple combat deployments and I speak a couple of languages. All of us Are not woke. The conversation i ahvr overheard, the centralized racsim masked as patriotism in certain circles is at best alarming, at worst very very cancerous.
Both my parents were retired career police officers in a major northeastern city. MY Family is black and latino- majority of us are educated. The racsim my parents witnessed was loathsome. My mother was one of THE FIRST black women to graduate from that cities police academy- I witnessed how hard it was with old white guys and their prejudices on my mother( during the late 70s going into the mid 80s). My parents membership in the FOP offered me nor my friend no protection from harassment by white cops in that city-full stop, while watching our white counterparts be given passes for transgressions like loitering, that we were not committing.
I joined the military some time ago and there are pockets where the BS does not stop. Sure the are a fair amount of equal protection that our forces guve our service members BUT IF YOU THINK that there is not a good ol' boy network still alive in the military, you are wrong- very very wrong. People have prejudices, period. The problem is that some see their prejudices as a sense of" its just how things are" entitlement. I am.not saying that every white person in uniform or with a badge is a racist as that has nit been my experience, but the people who have gone out of their way to try to F-with me have happened to have badges and have been in uniform. Not saying all my interactions have been that way but for some reason, some people thing their badge or rank is the equalizer to my 6' 240lb frame- it's not.
The Scout Sniper symbol is based on the Waffen SS Totenkopf.
The first guy totally seems like a paid actor 🤣
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Literally saying that some people in the military have committed violent acts in the name of right wing extremism being at fault rather than the government who issued the orders. doing anything possible to put the blame on the average man rather than the government. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Who do you think gives the military the ok to carry out violence?
Can you imagine if there was more of an appreciation for the individual serving while criticizing the system it’s self?
Keep the people divided, yes, the media machine is running splendidly.
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I think you all need to define what "extremism" and "far right" actually means in the context you're using it in. Because it kinda comes off like it's supposed to be vague and anyone who speaks out of line can get the label. And if we have a system that is driving people to distrust and feel disdain for the government in unprecedented numbers, do you think maybe there could be something rotten with the system that drives people to these conclusions?
Matt you know what "Far-Right" means and you know what "extremism" means, there's nothing vague about it.
Yes, lack of education. Also the fact that student loans are causing people to be in debt most of their lives does not help. Education needs to be taken more seriously and become more integrative. It feels like a lot more people are unable to comprehend anything past grade 3 level knowledge.
Other things are health and infrastructure, mininum wage. Minimum wage has not gone up much, while housing, rent, food, and everything else has gotten exponentially more expensive. 50% of millennials are living with parents, and the generational wealth gap is already causing a lot of problems.
Yes there is something wrong with the system and it’s called capitalism. That’s the whole point
@@2468whodoweappreciate go back to school libtard if you raise minimum wage then everything else’s goes up even more!! You sound broke to say that
Really? Seems like extremism is pretty obvious in that they promote and train to commit violent acts to get their way. That is literally what all extremist, aka terrorists groups do. The only difference between an extremist and a terrorist group is the terrorists groups have actively carried out the violent attacks.
And the far right are those who tend to (not all) to lean toward extreme right wing ideas such as fascism. Some to extreme nationalist and race based politics. Or those combative to minorities that don't fit their group.
Both terms are pretty well defined in literature on and offline. So I have to wonder why you are confused by the definitions? Or if you are just trying to muddy the definitions.
Very horrendous!!!
My half black/half white son is currently a Marine. He was being forced to haze junior Marines and because of that he started drinking to cope and getting drunk was the only way he could do these things he was being asked to do, he was sent to a treatment facility and is now being separated from the Corp. I wont even write what they made him do to much weaker Marines than himself. He has also faced racism in the Corp. He rcvd a general discharge under honorable conditions. HE IS DEEPLY HURT BY ALL OF IT!! but he says he is ready to come home and get away from all the crazy white Marines that seem to think they are superior.
Oh yeah an old friend of mine wanted to join the marines so he could have an easier time becoming a federal police agent and he was easily the worst person I’ve ever met he was pretty reckless drank a lot was manipulative towards just about everyone and was sexually abusive to his ex partner which I told him I found out and if he showed up at my place again it would end poorly he never joined due to adhd but due to him I’m distrustful of people who want to join the corps, that’s not to mention my uncle that was in the army and shipped to Iraq is also a cocky narcissist who gives himself a little too much credit I know plenty of veterans who are amazing people I adore but so many are also some of the worst people I’ve ever met extremists aren’t super wide spread but it has a real impact on people especially from ignored communities like large chunks of rural America and the poorest neighborhoods in our cities
@@violetraven9440 Yeah..my son has the sweetest heart. He said he wanted to join the Marines because it's the toughest lol. I was being supportive but really I was like "go to the airforce lol"...he was 23 when he joined, had already been living on his own for a few years, paying his own way in life and he said he just felt the need to serve. He is 6'4, 220 solid muscle and was asked to do some modeling so he's very handsome as well. He said he really wanted to make a difference but now he is coming home with anxiety and a different view of the military. Its very sad. He said he felt so bad about what he did to the other Marines, he cried to me about it..its just disgusting.
@@idontknowanymore8968 exactly stuff like that seeing how the old friend of mine turned out and how it effected a lot of my extended family I refuse to join and if a draft ever started I’d see if I could get in the coast guard to go on rescue missions but that’s very unlikely and even then it would be begrudgingly the military has damaged so many people and has done nothing to address the problem it’s horrible honestly
@@violetraven9440 yes they have, so much damage and very little help and empathy for those they've hurt. A-HOLES.
Stop giving them a platform and only give the info about the groups. You know they are looking for a why to recruit
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Lets put this in perspective. All militaries are breeding grounds for extremism. That's why you hear about military coups. As you said at the beginning of the program, it is a small problem in the US. I presume every other country (eg Germany) has a similar problem and it has to be managed.
A massive domestic problem oh ya let’s back off and not investigate
Just waitin' to invade Bejing like we kicked ass in Iraq!!
Iraq was lost
They might have good experience with the life stories of military people who joined those racist orgs, but they don't seem to express much experience with the life stories of people who join the military generally.
I joined like a lot of people because I was going nowhere fast and wanted to get money for college, life experience, see some of the world and get out of my house. I would say I grew up a little from that experience and it was a good move but it wasn't all good but such is life. A lot of people joining the military for their own reasons. I had one guy approach me about joining his charasmatic christian group. I'm glad I turned him down.
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Absolutely clueless.
This is why our military is becoming weak
This. Is. Hilarious.
How do you even know.....
It's ludicrous!
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There's no extremist problem in the military. There are millions of people who served in the military. Even if a few hundred both in and out have embraced radical ideas that's still a extreme minority. I mean there are teachers, farmers, fast food servers who have embraced the same ideology but no one is like look out for teachers. But just looking at the dude who ran this segment it's clear why there's jealousy and therefore false hatred towards something most VICE readers could never do or understand
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Jealousy and hatred of what? The story was about fringe radicalization. If being a white nationalist is something most Vice readers don’t understand, well.. thank you. They explicitly said that the numbers within the military were small. Do you not get that people with specific training may be more of a concern than a barista?
Because a group of extremist teachers or cooks banding together isnt as dangerous as extremist individuals with all sorts of firearms and millitary training and expertise .
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Reuters published an investigation (May) tracking ex-military extremists training police.
A small group of snipers had the SS sign, not the Marine Raiders, or most Snipers lol. this is so dumb. Most people who work in Gov and paramility and LE are former vets, not bums. More vets get their college degree than civilians now.
Great video, thanks for reporting on this.
These veterans that want to over throw the government have Tri Care healthcare, GI Bill benefits and pensions all paid by American taxpayers who will never have access to these benefits. There needs to be a post service contract of behavior that states if you become a "terrorist" you forfeit these benefits. If you are active duty there is no difference between these service people and previous service peoples in the government that were convicted of crimes of espionage.
Yes the benefits are so great multiple veterans kill themselves and other people on a daily basis
Oh and can you run a report on the missing $80M BLM funds……sounds of 🦗 🦗 🦗
They scared that the real Men gonna squash them snowflakes.
1:18 He's part of a miniscule fraction of dudes, almost certainly an article 15 (dishonorable discharge). Y'all can chill, this genius is all over the radar of the good guys.
Many good men, found themselves out of the military under article 15...
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starting to feel the same way lol
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About 4:03 - He will honor his oath to the Constitution?
When is Vice going to cover the far left? I’ll wait.😊 Also, could you cover the political machines in NYC and Philadelphia…and the nascent one in Arizona. Again, I’ll wait.😊
“Those who make political change impossible make violent revolution inevitable.”-John F. Kennedy
When you stop sucking off putin and parroting Russian misinformation talking points probably.
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But but but what about Antifa and BLM?!?
It's sad you don't realize how stupid that comment is. Not surprising, just...well, sad.
They have separate videos cover far left “Antifa” you’re comment is stupid lol.
What about them? Are they widespread white nationalists in the military?
@@A_J502 Yes. Yes there are. Ever since the '70s, when the DoD said it was okay.
Research "Pendleton 13."
I was in the military during those times. It was open race warfare.
I've seen 2 III percenter stickers on the back of cars in the past 2 months and one was yesterday
The current state of America's military reminds me of saying my boyfriend who's former military says a lot, "It's scary that nowadays as a black veteran I'm more afraid if I see someone flying the American flag then if I don't".
I hardly even tell anyone I'm a veteran these days because I'll just be associated with these guys.
This bothers me. This bothers me as much as people blindly thanking vets for their service without knowing them.
It's not just your service. It's the content of your character. I've met vets who are trash to everyone and everything. I've met vets who would give a stranger their coat of they asked.
I don't care IF you served. I care HOW you served. I care who it made you now. Not then. Be a good person and it shows.
Just my opinion. Take it how you like.
Dude, it's like a couple dozen folks amongst millions of vets, they represent nothing.
Vet wearing those colors doesn’t give you much of respect if that’s what you’re looking for
the us needs mandatory military service like switzerland has
In NYC it's not Far-Right ppl that you have worry about walking on the street
I wonder to see Georgian flag 🇬🇪 on that guys vest at 2:59, 😅
I've notice before that a fair few Americans display the Georgian flag, I'm pretty sure they think it's a templar flag and they want to look really cool and tough and based, or maybe they're all georgian nationalists
Georgian foreign league of us vulonteers in ukraine look into it
@@brandonnevarez8417 Georgian foreign legion in Ukraine is from Georgia, country in Caucasus, not from the US. Hope I correctly got what u said.
@@user-zy8cy6hn6o Yeah, probably