The Only Hope For ACC Survival
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- Jon Wilner from the Wilner Hotline and San Jose Mercury News has hope that the ACC will actually survive. Is there hope for Washington State and Oregon State to land in the ACC or Big 12?
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Wish i had a cool bunkbed like Wilner does!
thats where canzano sleeps
His wife sleeps on top.
When ESPN or other networks make OSU & WSU a priority then the B12 and ACC will. It’s that simple.
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Hello Big 12. Go Clemson. Upset special. Clemson23-Georgia21.
The ACC isn’t done. Never has been. I’ve been saying this for over a year now. Check the receipts.
I have been saying this as well for more than a year. Big12 brethren may not like this and say as a Houston Alum I am still stung by not having my Alma Mater in the Big12 at the creation of the conference; but the ACC will do exactly like Big12 and not drop below 10 members let alone lifeline like the Big12 did and add from Non-Autonomy colleges and the last two remnants of the defunct PAC and have the numbers and votes to maintain Autonomy status and like Bigger12, get a better media deal than previously with the two to six disgruntled and disenfranchised and disassociated schools that desire but not deserve to leave for BiG10 or SEC or Jupiter or Saturn or wherever the hell they feel like they belong 😅😊😅😂😂.!.
All this will be on streaming in less than 10 years , let’s see how valuable FSU is then when everyone has to hold there own weight
Clemson and Florida St are generating the bulk of ACC’s revenue. Yes UNC has Basketball tradition but today they are behind the other two. Tobacco Road doesn’t have the same power as they did. Football is King. UNC cares more about Lacrosse than football.
No clue
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Couldnt be farther from the truth. Football is NOT king. MARKETS are king. SEC already has the Florida and South Carolina markets with UF and SC. Charlotte would be a coveted market. So would UVA with Norfolk and VA Beach. Dont take my word for it. Ross Dellenger and Pete Themal agree. syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10113687-report-unc-viewed-as-sec-big-tens-most-attractive-expansion-target-from-acc.amp.html
@@ghmmr1 The Charlotte market includes a large area of Clemson’s coverage area. Geographic’s were past strategies for media companies. Today it’s about the match ups. ESPN knows they can make more money with matchups like Clemson vs Bama or Florida St vs Georgia. UVA vs Vanderbilt will not draw eyeballs. UVA can’t fill a stadium. Clemson has played at Chapel Hill and had as many Clemson fans there as Tar Heels. NC State and. Va Tech actually have the best fan support.
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If markets were the king, why did the B1G take Oregon over either Stanford or Cal? Washington is in a large market, so that is expected, but still not the size of the Bay Area tv market. Same can be said about ASU. They sit in Phoenix, another huge tv market. How about Oklahoma to the SEC, not exactly a huge tv market, similar to Portland. There are other large markets out there that have been passed over.
It’s about tv ratings and who brings in the largest audience. The proof is in the pudding. They are grabbing the largest name brand teams because they draw the largest tv audience. It’s simple economics.
As a long time Utah fan my opinion is this. Utah has always been the little brother of byu in football. They weren’t really good until urban Meyer came and busted the bcs. Utah has only been a football school for 25 years. They have always been in a small conference. When the pac 10 called we felt like Cinderella being swept off our feet by a handsome prince lol. We finally overcame byu dominance. We were in a major conference and they weren’t. Utah was always going to be loyal to the pac 12. They didn’t want to leave. The only trepidation about joint the big 12 was that byu was there and we no longer had bragging rights. I am honestly happy to be in the big 12 over the big10 or anywhere else. The big 12 looks like the most competitive and evenly balanced conference. USC and ucla are going to suck for a long time in the big10 they weren’t even dominating in the pac12 they are going to get smashed in the big10. I think Utah is going to have a down year as they get adjusted to the new scenery. As long as they beat byu I will be happy. Go Utes.
Hopefully college football will become like college hockey, where there will be football-specific conferences separate from the rest of the sports. That way, the rest of college athletics can reform into geographical centric conferences.
Can we move on from the Utah wondering eye? Good grief it's a worn out topic.
My reply to @Chevy265V8 disappeared...so in a nutshell OSU's numbers were low because they played a lot of games on the Pac-12 Network and got zeros counted for those games. The Beavers were ranked in the second half of 2022 and that carried over to 2023 and they had nine counting games on regular networks and got the much higher numbers because they were ranked for pretty much the whole season and played several other ranked teams. But the 1.48 million views for the OSU-WSU game is very telling. Not saying they are elite but they have proven that they are capable of very good numbers if they play on regular networks.
The acc and pac 2 should form one conference and fill in a west coast division if the big brands leave..
The ACC-PAC-2 and AAC top 3 teams should merge
@@EricBurns-d4oI would add all three service academies and two SBC schools to get to a temporary total of 27 schools for football and 28 schools for Olympic Sports with keeping a football schedule agreement with Notre Dame and Notre Dame staying in for all other sports outside of football and men’s and women’s ice hockey. Then when 3-6 schools bolt out of ACC to the BiG10 and SEC respectively, you will have no less than 21 full members playing football and 22 Olympic schools and a possible max if only 3 leave ACC of 24 full members playing football and 25 Olympic schools. If 6 leave, then could look at two MWC schools (not Bozo Horse Humping State “Boise State “) in San Diego State and either Nevada (NOT UNLV!) or Colorado State or Wyoming. Then could consider 1-2 more from both AAC and SBC especially getting a second and third Texas school added if not already; and again, if and only if 6 leave instead of 3.
I see no reason for the ACC to add WASHST and/or OREST.
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Of course you don’t, you didn’t want to see UNC buried further down the pole. Fact is, it would make traveling a hell of a lot better for everyone. The ACC should’ve done this before the heavy hitters left.
If you had FSU, Clemson, Oregon, Washington, Utah, & Miami, you just created a conference that competes with the P2. The travel would’ve been even less of a burden. Plus, with the additions of Stan/Cal, it would’ve been very intriguing for ND.
@@jimedick9496 Always moronic.
a) WASHST and OREST are separate geo outliers.
b) The ACC hasn't depleted out yet.
Again, every PAC school was internally considered and rejected as not working financially.
CAL.STANFORD were wanted by ND. Not WST/OST.
Jon is always interesting. He has two different opinions: One with his heart and the other with his head. With his heart He worries about Olympic sports and wants UCLA to go back to the PAC ( or some kind of variation). But with his head he acknowledges USC is staying in the Big 10 ( Olympic sports included). My own opinion is eventually the Big 10 will pick up more Western schools: Who are they? ASU and Utah. Possibly Stanford, to make travel easier.
How many times is the ACC gonna explode! 😂 every week i look at the headline and watch and think you found something new! But its the same oh shuck and jive conspiracy hypothetical bull..
Theyve ran out of things to talk about. Isnt this a B12 channel? Or I thought? lol
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If the ACC makes their exit fee higher than what FSU and Clemson can afford to pay, the ACC will live on.
Booster here: give us a number and, just like your mama, we'll hit it.
@@caballotustenagge9006lol, yeah, because boosters spend time on YT telling mama jokes lmao. Way to out yourself
Cool story bro. If it's deemed punitive and not based on value it gets chucked from court.. that's half the suit..
@@tallyrc If the ACC wins the lawsuits, then according to their calculations, FSU and Clemson would be on the hook for around 572 million dollars. Can they really afford to pay that much, especially if they don't have a guaranteed SEC or B1G invitation?
@@Patrick-sg7cm first, they have a landing spot in one or both. They wouldn't have started the process otherwise. But to answer your question teams can't afford to stay in the ACC. They will cease to be competitive and die off as legitimate athletic programs.
Wilner still likes to talk about how much he "knew" about the Pax 12 situation. We need to recognize that the 'sources' Wilner had in the Pac 12 reporting were: 1) not the important and key decision makers in the end result and 2) were misstating information to Wilner in order to influence his writing and opinion in favor of the Pac 12.
Plus Wilner deliberately made a mockery of the Big12 and other conferences and deliberately ignored facts and on purpose reported falsely to bump his misaligned narrative and agenda and ego wit his narcissistic arrogance and ding dong democrat West Coast Wacko ways. Do not defend his piss poor journalism and reporting. He is wrong because he is wrong and has no integrity whatsoever and no credibility whatsoever. Truth!
The ACC is probably in decent shape. One of the cases is in mediation and the ACC is prepared to fight until the end. FSU and Clemson need the settlement to achieve their objectives, so the ACC has the leverage. Unless one of the courts voids the GOR, FSU and Clemson will have to pay hundreds of millions to get out of the conference by 2027 at the earliest.
Alternative to this: the ACC has to successfully defend themselves in court against every single pronged attack from both FSU and Clemson. Clemson or FSU just needs to win one point of the many levied against the ACC to create the escape hatch for all members. ACC is incentivized to prolong as long as possible and at the last moment, then settle.
@@EdKennedyV that is possible
So glad Tx and OU were in the BigXII where they were treated with respect and allowed to exit at a reasonable cost
February 2025. If espn doesn't resign, FSU and Clemson are gone. Make no mistake. FSU IS LEAVING the acc. Don't be delusional.
Wait logic and facts…on realignment talk?!
This guy from San Jose is a lunatic. North Carolina is only a prize because neither of the big conferences has the state. Clemson and Florida State bring in WAY more revenue and WAY more viewers each week.
UNC is:
a) 1 of only 2 remaining true southern flagships outside of the SEC.
b) 1 of only 6 P4 original public ivys.
c) 1 of only ~5 men's basketball blues
d) 1 of only 6 that have finished 20x+ Top 10 D-Cup
e) 1 of only 3 that have won the D-Cup
f) Half of the only college basketball rivalry of national interest
FSU is none of these things.
Youre a goof. SEC already has UF and SC. SEC doesnt have the North Carolina and Virginia markets. FSU and Clemson dont bring in that much value at all.
@@ghmmr1 I guess that explains why you’re not a marketing professional.
Which product brings more value and revenue to a network? One in a market by themselves that gets no viewers or one in a shared market that gets more viewers than their counterparts?
Go ask Jim Phillips what the massive Boston and Massachusetts market has done for the ACC from their having added Boston College.
@@trclark7689 Still no clue?
Lol on what planet is UNC the most valuable property in the ACC. Not by revenue, not by viewership ( really only thing that matters), not by attendance, do we need to go on?
This story is 3 years old yet you still don't understand?
The only hope for Acc longterm survival is if Notre Dame joined but I give that at best a 10% chance of happening.
I’d love to see ND become full time members. Having ND, FSU, Clemson, and the sleeping giant in Miami, would elevate the ACC. Miami needs to wake up and start winning again for the ACC to maintain its status.
I want to see P4. I don’t want to see a P2 scenario. Even though that’s where it’s looking to go, I’m still holding out hope that it doesn’t.
a) The ACC should easily survive as at least a Tier 2 like the BIG12.
b) I suspect that if ND was going to join the ACC in full, it would have before the internal stress got this high.
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The BIG12 lost its top 6 (net), and the remainders had no better place to go, so the BIG12 survived as a Tier 2. Why would the ACC be different?
That UTAH benefited so much being associated with upper right schools is a reason to not discount any UTAH interest in the ACC.
No disrespect to OSU and WSU, but the BIG12 doesn’t have them as a priority. The BIG12 prefers to expand east.
The ACC doesn’t have them as a priority either, the ACC needs to stabilize and survive by not allowing the BIG12 to poach the upper/middle tier schools within (who knows what will happen).
If the ACC decides to expand, they have better options with other G5 teams that bring bigger markets on the east coast like UCONN, Memphis, and USF.
If the ACC decides to expand westward, they have better options in markets like UNLV and San Diego State. Like I said, I mean no disrespect to OSU and WSU especially the fan base, unfortunately the former PAC12 schools screwed OSU and WSU because their respective markets/geography is currently not a priority nor a prime must have in the current state of conference realignment.
No way the ACC is taking UNLV and San Diego State over Oregon State and WSU. They might take all four of them if they want a bigger West Coast presence. OSU and WSU get significantly better tv viewership and both offer stronger football programs. OSU also has a national powerhouse baseball program. I do think SDSU would be worth taking over the other G5 programs. Very good basketball and they keep their athletic budget higher than G5 programs.
No disrespect, but G5 clowns in the comments get ignored
@@BudFuddlacker No disrespect, but if OSU and WSU were that important to the BIG12 or ACC, they would already be in either one of those conferences by now. Without facts or logic to back up your position/argument… @budfuddlacker, your comments get ignored.
@@DayOneRob if G5 was worth anything, they wouldn’t be G5. Go get your lotion and have a nice evening with your community colleges, get lost, and shove that repetitive passive aggressive ‘no offense’ line right down your throat
Yeah The acc isn't going to broke farm land bro. lol
this dude is fos - FL State and Clemson are the marquis programs. Everyone knows this.
Lol///tell me you haven't a clue about alignment the last decade...you just did. UNC and UVA are the 2 schools the SEC and B10 both want. B10 has no interest in Clemson & FSU. SEC doesn't need then or really want them as they have UF and SC
@grobble8954 you seem tense. If you really believe the b.s. youre trying to shovel, why fight flstate and clemson's desire to leave? "Let them go" as the Disney show instructs. With Unc and uva, it'll all be ok.
@@grobble8954ok expert… I get UNC. UVA, please!
@@grobble8954 lol stop. Their own fans don't watch. Apparently you're the one not paying attention. It's about eyeballs and selling contracts based on those eyeballs.
@@user-qh5rm4hi4k The ACC wants its pound of flesh for FSU and/or CLEMSON to leave. To where are they going if leaving alone?
“North Carolina is the prize”…. lol too bad they can’t win anything on the gridiron!!!
You clearly haven't figured out what alignment has been about for the last decade. UNC is wanted by the B10 and SEC. B10 has no interest in FSU or Clemson and they add nothing to the SEC, they already have those markets for their standard tv deal and their conf network.
It's the school B1G covets the most in ACC.
@@grobble8954 alignment is about viewership and according to Nielsen fsu is the ninth highest team. UNC isn't in the top 32..
@@tallyrc "alignment is about viewership"
Nope, it's about expected holistic/relative value in the future P2 world.
@@tarheel7406 lol holistic value.. that's rich.
The ACC just needs USF and Tulane and they will be fine. No need for the PAC 2
No need for USF or TULANE either.
Why does the ACC need USF? Don't they already have that market? WSU brings in Seattle which is a much larger TV market than NO. Regardless, WSU has zero interest in the ACC from what I have read. And even minimal interest in the Big 12. They want to rebuild. But, they do benefit from the media constantly speculating.
@@Meme-zc4cw well then WSU gets their wish because neither the ACC or Big XII wants the PAC 2
@@Meme-zc4cw WSU does not bring the Seattle market lol you’re thinking of UW. Washington St is 5 hours from Seattle
The bottom half of the Big 12 has really bad tv viewership. Oregon State and Washington State not only bring a West Coast time zone but definitely get the eyes. OSU had better tv viewership than all of the Big 12 except Texas and Oklahoma last season and WSU is consistently good. The OSU-WSU game had 1.48 million viewers. Better than every Big 12 regular season game not involving Texas and Oklahoma (though it was better than Oklahoma-Iowa State and two Oklahoma nonconference games). I know the focus is on what teams might be picked up from the ACC but you would be getting a really good deal in bringing in OSU and WSU.
To clarify, I meant to say that the OSU-WSU viewership was better than every Big 12 regular season game not involving Texas and Oklahoma except for three games. So better than the 37 other games counted for tv viewership.
Yes but if espn / fox thought they were worth the 40m why wouldn’t they have included them in the original move when the other 4 teams came to the big 12
That was last year. In 2022 WSU had around 900k or about the same as Iowa State. Oregon St had 650k. Those numbers are similar to most recent years. The Pac 2 caught lightning in a bottle last year because people were curious to see how well those two would do after getting left behind.
The number of viewers and the market sizes still matters to the Big 12 but now in a much smaller way. This isn't 2005-2010 realignment where market size played the biggest factor. It is now who has the bigger brand? And I'm sorry but everybody in the Big 12 including the recent G5's are all bigger brands.
@@Chevy265V8- Houston is a bigger brand than Oregon State?
@@Chevy265V8 Yes, but Oregon State had lower numbers because they played on the Pac-12 Network so much and got zeros for those games. And yes, those zeros are counted. The Beavers went 10-3 in 2022 and was ranked for the second half of the season. That carried over to 2023 and OSU had nine "counting" games on regular networks. The Beavers stayed ranked for pretty much the whole season and played several ranked teams. I'm not saying OSU and WSU are elite or that they are going to get great views playing MWC teams on the CW, but that 1.48 million number is pretty telling and they are definitely capable of good numbers given the chance to play games on regular networks. OSU definitely proved that in 2023.
Wilner is a hack