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I find it funny how, in 2024, people still don't understand how critiques are necessary to improve a game and, most of all, people would never spend time giving suggestions for something that they don't care about.
These people don't know that SW today has a ton of QoL because someone complained, but yet, they loved these implementations.
Like, if it weren't for complaints, we wouldn't even have auto battles!
real and true
remember how com2us were hesitant af to even do x10 lol
- Thanks to everyone leaving the comments on the previous video.
- Thanks to pinky for the thumbnail (i know most people werent hating, its just a joke)
- I love the game and i put more time and effort into it than most people, so no the goal is not to quit or make other people quit.
- I look at balancing from this perspective. Its not about me, or you, and what we want as individuals to make our accounts better. Its about what has to be done for the game to be healthier and survive long term.
- I know most people agree with what im saying, but im also trying to help people who dont to understand the game better.
I know the video is long, but lets see how many people leave a comment again without watching
And bro, even though we disagree, I feel like a lot of people overreacted. Not really fair to you.
Give Okeanos speed awakening instead of crit rate (add damage is better)
Give Savannah ACC awakening (why RES)
Buff Light neostone agent (add 2 turns HoT to match better with Shizuka / Bolverk / MoLong ... = triple buffs > would make Juno / Praha even stronger counters ..)
Make IA of dark Cyborg smart
Buff Pung / Chiwu and Woonsa S2 - make it 100% (+ add damage on speed ?)
Change Woonsa S3 - If max HP deals additionnal damage based on total buffs stripped (to help cleaving) and just steal HP if not 100% HP) - because he doesn't do much after T1 so make him a better T1.
Can we now buff Tiana to give her speed awake ? (or would be broken even in 2024?) > if they buff Okeanos (= Sekhmet + Okeanos counters) + would nerf Haegang without touching him.
Buff Chow > immun to ATB reduce
Buff Trix / Dark one / Storm S2 activation a bit > maybe 80% instead of 70 when max skilled
I would like to see some kind of HoT on Ophelia - maybe buff Louise Jeanne Ophilia more by adding S2 heal
Buff Fire Desert Warior > S3 > from 30 to 50% activation
Water Twin Angel > S3 from 30 to 50% activation
Give Laika some kind of threat effet under conditions
Coco still needs a little something
Zima S3 : no glancing or add instant turn after S3 to still be able to lock 1 unit with Heagang on the opposite side (might be broken - still an idea)
Kumar : 2 turns Oblivion S1 (100%)
Bastet S3 - passive in the skill that increase damage on allies if they are under shield ?
Barbara S3 needs a rework
Can we add heal block on Beth back?
Brita : more damage scale on passive
Daphnis / Wind Striker need a buff ( if buffs > strip garanted) (if no buffs > def break garanted)
Fire / Wind / Light Pudding - Add team immunity on S2
Wind Desert Warior : put 1 dots (2turns) on each enemy when you start your turn (help him cycle + better in ToaHell with silence heal block for the bosses)
Give Akroma some kind of self sustain
Make Eludia S3 irresistible
Isis - add spd slow on S3
Celia - 100% sleep S2
Light Indra: apply debuffs before hitting
Slayer light : speed awake but rework S3 - no more HP decrease on enemies + ATB boost depends of number of buffs (5% per buff?)
LD Shadowcasters
Lydia
Rahul
For streamers : Give Giana anti clease debuffs on S3 :D - Haegang solution
Give Maya 100% strip on S2
Give Gurkha 5% heal when hit by provoked enemy and only 20% damage reduce (from 30 to 20%)
Leona : immun to break def and damage + 50% (not 30) to really punish bad drafting
Mi Ying needs a little something
Jackson speed scaling (not like Miles though)
Salah awake speed?
Nyx passive buff (but how?)
Dark demon (instant turn or reset CD of S2 when revives)
Some ideas - somme might be decent / some insane / some bad lol
At least we try to figure what could help !
Wild changes, but a lot look really fun
Great review ... Nice of you to read the Fembots trolling you and not get offended ... I really enjoy your content, keep up the good work! **Love the Video meme ... that is CLASSIC ... Well Done Sir!
If it’s one thing I know about Acog, he’s the least emotional and subjective about his opinions. Whether or not you agree with his view, he’s not doing it for personal preference or just to complain. Dude loves this game, he wants it to succeed, and is literally giving you his honest angle. Take that to the bank 🏦
I just want them to revert the glancing despair buff. So many units, especially haegang would feel a bit less annoying with this.
the despair buff was the most random thing they ever added lol
New despair mechanic is just stupid.
What’s the point of having different attributes if people’s gonna just have despair runes and control your whole team which don’t even have to consider the attributes.
Really interested in them adding pre ban; literally just a couple seconds more per round
So the main issue is that rta feels boring, because the meta didn't change alot for a long time is what I understood after listening to the whole video. And they can't buff and nerf units just because some people want it because some people maybe just pulled those units and they also take a while to skillup so some people would feel wronged. They also won't add pre ban because some end game players have very complete boxes and "rune set freedom" to get a big advantage just by a preban and a ban. Then, I think, this could be fixed by shortening the season, or dividing the season in different segment, where you can't pick certain units, families, above or bellow base spds, or spd leaders could bring some spice. This is an incomplete idea and could be developed into something bigger by constructive criticism and adding or deducting more aspects to it.
I aggre😮
Hello again
ok I don't think I portraited what I meant with the comment as english is not my first language.
I am not saying hae, rag are balanced, neither is smicer all of them need a nerf, but I was taking smicer as example as he is one of the main issue with me when It comes to RTA compared to hae and rag, and yeah as you mentioned robo are not consistent but I don't just complain about it, as I run stuff with 85% and 100% acc, and I lose most of the game with that fuking 15% res most of the time,
I am saying is that I am not disagreeing with you, yeah they need to be nerfed, but what I want is to see stuff buffed so that we can utilize most stuff as counter
Make haegang like light yen… so That he only boosts one atb bar. that would reduce the uno reverse effekt quite a bit.
Fucking love it keep up the work man
Hi hi acog love your videos 😂
I don't think ur rank will drop if they nerf hegang cuz he is mostly better for turn 2 comps
YO BRING THAT HATE TO THE LIVE STREAM 😤😤🤣
frfr, Jakell OP
is there a unit that was immune to decrease attack bar? even Akroma succumbed to Tablo s3
tablo basically doesnt decrease att bar. He resets the turn completely. So she is immune to pushback
only you got the balls to call out haegang when constantly abusing him, kudos
People dont realize this. They only see him as cry baby
call me crazy juno is only picked alot cuz everybody want to play control aoe an it has plenty of counters if it is the strongest fire which i dont think it is mk/kassandra imo takes that slot for me
I don't understand why this was so controversial in the first place... Are you guys, ok? A good amount of the previous video was just saying to nerf HG. Meanwhile yall are acting like he spit in your cereal 🤣
Keep up the drama. 👍 haegang nerf wouldnt be a big deal. love your videos.
2x pre ban best solution. Enemy and u preban 2x (4 times total),
example on epic seven
mobile legend
has multi pre ban
You say you're "nerfing" yourself picking Haegang when it is contradictory. Let me explain why. The reason you pick Haegang is because you struggle against him with your style of play. While others struggle against your style of play if they weren't to have Haegang. Basically, nerfing Haegang is not a problem for you if he were to be nerfed but a problem for many of your opponents.
not really. In my rank LDs are what makes a huge difference. Haegang is my LD5 basically and a way for me to compete against LDs + my runes cant compete with most other people in g3 and haegang is a cop out for that, thats why it would definitely hurt me a lot.
This is fantastic 👏
Maybe create a skill that zeros atk bar on all units that are cleansed. Passive or skill
In regards to haegang counter
Good ass video. You do sound like a crybaby but youre backing it up. Complaining is what we need, and yeah on the haegang nerfs I wholly agree. However I also think Haegang is the fine line thats keeping so much in check. I'm worried about how the meta will destabilize with haegang out of it. We can only see it when it happens. But im worried about the strength of stuff haegang keeps in check. Granted those teams also spam haegang as not to face it
Screw the heavy aoe strip ATB push back and screw haegang
12 minutes into the video and I can't watch the whole thing right now but I'll leave a comment I wanted to make on the other one.
Com2us shouldn't be afraid of making meta changing balance patches. Maybe not so frequently, once or twice a year, I guess.
Let's say a unit is too strong, lot's of people picking it. It should get a small nerf and another unit should get a buff to "try" to fill in the niche that previous unit filled before BUT with some differences.
I think that would be a way to make the game feel fresh.
balance patches only became so frequent last 2 years or so we used to get like 2 or 3 per year
@@shawtboss9408 I know, I've been there. And now that we have more frequent BPs, they shouldn't be afraid of bringing bigger changes.
Content creators complaining about some contents of the game benefits all
MOM I'M ON TV
I lowkey saw this coming, that's why I didn't leave any accusations / hate 🤣🤣
Turn 2 dies if HG goes since no other monster RELIABLY hard counters strip / CC / hax for the whole team (on the _enemy_ turn). That is often the difference between a W / L into T1 comps. Nothing else comes close. My opinion!
Seems like a turn 1 unit now, spamed with Layla bs
Nemesis tech. Verdehile. Giou. Ragdoll. Abellio. Juno. Valantis. Pater. Fire kassandra. Smicer. I can go on. There are plenty of ways to fight a turn 1 comp that strip ccs you turn 1. At the top its not even the best playstyle anymore, many players go for single target strip + damage dealers (potentially because of Haegang, but also because those units are effective) like twin angels + julianne. I don't really think Haegang needs a huge nerf, but as he's been in the meta for so long I could see doing something to switch it up. If your concern is T1 strip cc comps, then you should be okay with them nerfing it but buffing something else that counters them in a different way. They should explore the design space, not keep things constant.
The only reason for not changing Haegang I can defend is people do not have access to every unit and removing an option from someone can really frustrate them, especially if they have grown attached to a unit over time, but I think it is more likely that someone finds something new to love, and I think thats good for everyone. Variety is good.
@@ShroomiaCo We’re not actually disagreeing. You’ve mentioned there are counters besides HG. I agree. However, none of these are HARD counters to Strip CC (besides _maybe_ Ragdoll, Pater and Abellio if you dodge crucial cooldown resets). Also, I was talking about _deleting HG entirely._ I would not oppose a slight nerf to him, maybe to remove ATB boost on ally cleanse. Everything else I agree with you.
Please buff my audrey 😢😢😢
wdym she's good! I have her as well (I was the person in the video btw)
Buff gurkha please ahahaha
Yeah acog sounds like a crybaby in these videos but agree it’s what the community needs. We need this type of discussion even if it’s overdramatic. I appreciate how he does back up his complaints with valid points but I do respectfully disagree with many of his points.
Haegang isn’t op. He’s simply the perfect fit for this meta. The problem is the meta hasn’t changed. Not only does he counter the control & turn cycling meta, but he does it himself. Take his skill in a vacuum, he is not too strong. IMO he’d be weak to cleave, but unfortunately, cleave is so weak since c2u made so many hard counters to it. Don’t know what the actual answer to shifting the meta is, but nerfing Haegang won’t do it - it’ll just take the most accessible piece out of the equation (ie. LD havers win).
Pre-ban isn’t good for ladder. At least for non-LD ppl. Imagine you had a crazy Shan + Maxi combo or something (idk like Tablo comp maybe).. and then you could also just ban Leo for free every match. Why would you not spam this endlessly? Pre-ban is fine for tournament play because it’s whale v whale anyway, and let’s face it it’s a completely different mode when you know who you’re facing. Point is, a lot of LDs are kept in check due to there existing a somewhat accessible hard counter. The player who has the LD knows this and can ban it every time, but the opponent who doesn’t has no idea who they’re facing and cannot “counter ban”. I could be way off base here, but that’s my take.
In all honesty, this game is very well balanced .. WHEN PUT INTO THE PERSPECTIVE OF A GACHA. Summoners war is one of the few, if not the only gacha, that has ever made a passably competitive pvp. You can’t achieve that without a shadow of a clue on balancing. Let’s not kid ourselves, if we were to compare against a competitive “esport”, it’s obviously a joke to say it’s balanced. But when compared to games in the gacha space, it has leaps and bounds better balancing. Most other gachas don’t even have balance patches at all; every other unit release is a massive power creep - making any semblance of pvp basically nonexistent. For having what we have in Summoners War, I give c2u credit. But it also obviously can be better.
Thanks for reading my rant.
appreciate the comment. I do agree with some stuff ur saying, but i think your opinions come from lack of game experience, and you fail to see the bigger picture so i cant do much about that if you dont want to learn. As one of the G3 people who picked haegang the most ever since the buff i can say he is definitely broken, and preban only improves the game, since the amount of overtuned units is crazy, thats just how it is. You can dissagree, but that doesnt change facts.
Don’t get me wrong, I first pick Haegang too. I’m G1/2 border, so true I don’t have G3 level experience but I do have some. The facts are that he has a 49.something win rate, which is par for the course for any highly picked unit. Is he strong? Absolutely. Is he universal enough to be first pick material? Also yes. The problem is thinking of him as a counter pick. In this meta, he is not. He’s on the level of Oliver, Moore, Vanessa, etc. if he got nerfed, I definitely wouldn’t argue it, but to single him out over other units that - by the facts - he is on par with, is unwarranted. To hone in on a single unit rather than addressing the meta as a whole is by definition “small” picture.
I’m surely willing to learn.. when you say preban improves the game “since the amount of overturned units is crazy” what do you mean? I admitted my take could’ve been off base on this point, as I know being against preban isn’t a popular opinion. so some enlightenment would help.
he was literally designed to be a counter pick, so at a point where a counter pick becomes a core unit which can be used in a 100% of matches and has no weaknesses besides tian lang/veronica, it just becomes too op.
Lets say you pick oliver every match (which is designed to be a spd lead core unit). You will always be worried about stuff that counters him cuz there are a bunch of units. When you are picking haegang, you are not thinking about his weakness cuz there almost arent any, so a unit like that should not exist.
The preban thing is self explanatory. As i said too many overtuned units makes preban mandatory. Com2us will never balance out the game, but preban will help with that to an extent by removing them from the pool. Your argument that LD people will be stronger doesnt make much sense since this is a p2w game, its just something you have to deal with if you want to play a p2w game. At the end of the day it helps both the p2w guy and the f2p guy cuz u both choose units you dont want to fight.
That makes sense when coming from the perspective of what a unit was “designed” for. Totally agree Haegang isn’t in the place we BELIEVE HE SHOULD be used in. But let’s take that example of Oliver: was he designed to be that core spd lead unit (at least initially)? No, he had to be buffed to give him that 33% lead in order to put him into that role. Similarly, before the Haegang buff, he simply didn’t do enough to be anything more than a counter pick. But now after multiple buffs, he is good enough to be that core unit. It’s anyone’s guess at what a unit was “designed” to do, we only know what they actually do. And the fact is that Haegang actually is a strong enough unit that can be first picked 100% of the time with effectiveness - just like Oliver. Thus, I argue he should be considered in the context of that tier of units. It’s just a matter of how we perceive something.
Now the big difference, as you mentioned, is that Haegang doesn’t have many counters. While Oliver is afraid of a ton of things - like Antares, fire monkey, Masha, Douglas, etc (fire cookie thing). We once complained about Oliver being op until these counters were buffed to keep him in check. In the same vein, why not buff Haegang’s counters (or buff units to make them a counter to him, because I am in no way advocating for a TL/Ver buff)? In my opinion, bringing units into relevance rather than taking a unit out of relevance is preferable. And in addition, may have a better chance at shifting the meta than simply gutting a single unit. I know we all have different takes on buffing vs. nerfing, but I think that’s the kind of big picture discussion that’s good to debate over (rather than blank “unit too good, unit need to be deleted” statements).
Re: pre-ban. My mistake, I mis-read that as overtuRned instead of overtuned. I understand now. My point was that pre-ban actually helps the p2w guy MORE than the f2p (and I’ll assume this means more of a dolphin or moderate spender, because there’s no way an actual free to play guy could ever hope to compete with the p2w. And also the reason i don’t use the term p2w - i say LD haver - since a lot of us have indeed spent a lot, but still don’t have many LDs. But we’ll use your terminology for this sake). Let’s create a hypothetical situation: say there are 3 op overtuned elemental units in the game. P2W guy has all 3 + some LDs that are countered by those one of those 3 units, and F2P guy only has the 3 elemental. P2W guy can pre-ban the one unit he’s afraid of or counters him the most, ban the second one, and if he goes first just pick the third one. Now F2P guy has literally no answer. Meanwhile, F2P guy has no idea who to pre-ban to mess up P2W guy. Shrinking the pool by a fixed amount hurts the guy whose pool is smaller. Sure, F2P guy can choose what he doesn’t want to fight, but he actually ends up having to fight more stuff with LDs left unchecked. We all know this is a credit card game and P2W will always have the advantage. I just can’t advocate for a change that would skew it more in that favor.
Again, this is the kind of discussion that i think is good to debate on. Appreciate you inspiring these types of back and forths.
@@acog The distinction between Oliver and haegang as core and counter picks is an arbitrary one. Cooldown resets + attack bar cc kills the viability of just as many as hae, and counters most of the units in the game put alongside a 33 lead which is what makes him a core unit. Hae works the same way, he counters enough to be spammed. If Oliver was so susceptible to his counters he wouldn't be the highest pr and fp for like 6 seasons straight in g3, and is by far more stale than hae is at this point. I don't think anybody can really, convincingly argue that he deserves a 33 lead over a 24 lead considering how restrictive his kit is.
Saying hae has no weaknesses is a little silly as well, they're context and draft dependent for what you can get away with but just like Oliver kills a draft if you're stuck on a specific draft, so will haegang. Haegang is a really terribly designed unit, but calling for his nerf without seeing how he's balanced with the rest of the game is a little shortsighted. Com2us buffs units and keeps units at a specific power level because stuff like haegang exists. It's also a fairly niche and specific mechanic to target counters for, so it's still pretty likely you can buff 1-2 units without making power creep worse and pushing him out of early pick viability. Stuff like zima being non-glancing, or making jeogun ignore passives isn't going to break the game, and you can introduce punishability without pointless power creep.
Preban would definitely help rta quite a bit though and it'd be nice to see people discouraged from spamming the most restrictive and fun-killing picks like hae and Oli.
Also, I'm not sure why nobody brings up rta-specific balancing. It'd probably let com2us be a lot more flexible and aggressive with their nerfs if nerfs can target units without killing usage for the rest of the game. It's a lot of effort but it's honestly probably one of the most realistic solutions at this point.
I just wanna know why the hate for Julianne. Leave that vampire alone 😂
Lmao, the guy saying that the game is balanced right now has to be joking. Between haegang and smicer, this is the least balanced its been since prime oliver
naah you lost me when you said league balancing is good...
i havent played league in years, idk if its good at the moment and thats not the point. The point is that its good in a sense where they actually do patches often and stuff changes. And honestly for the amount of years that i played league, it was fairly balanced.
i played valorant aswell for about 2 years and they did balancing all the time. Ofc no one is perfect, but the reality is that Riot is a serious company, and its not even really comparable to com2us, but its a good example for what com2us should try to become.
I'm offended
😂😂😂
Cry more lol
Buff all my 8x ld nat5🔥