ngl, if i had a math exam that'd consist of a custom made mission in WT (like for example: the teacher would spawn/position the artillery and i had to compute range to hit a target) then that would make trigonometry infinitely more interesting to me
Thats what I have been using to fight tanks in long ranged maps, no laser range finder on most tanks requires me to do it and it's actually very useful even to guess shots even if you have a rangefinder and don't want to spend time checking range.
You could do this with any tank that has a low velocity shell. My buddy and i have been doing it with sturmtiger so we get a massive margin for error and funny triple kills lol
back in the day before drone, i once saw one squad in heli spotting and range finding meanwhile other dude shoot at the target using german 15 cm sIG 33 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf)
Would be nice if they can make it so SPGs can go high angle while maintaining the usual gunsight, with the sighting gradient starts readjusting for the ballistic arc the other way.
@@Shaun_Jones doesnt change the fact that its still kinda bullshit lad, war isnt supposed to be fair. ive had this argument in several milsim shooters. the equipment differenes between the ranks and individual vehicles kinda suck fat shit
@@FireShadow75 Unless map is big and flat. After all this arty was build to either use reduced charges for such small range (1-2km is extremely close for SPG) or fire in sky mortar-style.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 But we don't get to choose charge count in game, don't we? Also, I believed both type 75 and type 99 use the same single size charge for all shots.
@@jintsuubest9331 Both 75 and 99 can do it, as they use modified american 155 and can use same ammunition without modifications to neither. Not yet in wt however, which would be a big deal if we had indirect fire tool in game.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Type 99 is completly domestic. Type 75 is also completly domestic production, with foreign input. Regardless, the autoloader in Type 99 only support their version of unitary charge. Type 75 charge is manual loaded but the stowage is design to house the unitary charge only. Afaik, only japanese system that uses seperate charges are the towed and the wheeled. Can they fire using other charge? Yes, but they are not design to do so.
this is so fucking cool actually If it were mainstream, maybe not. But if I were killed in spawn and i saw it was because he was acting as OBSERVER AND ARTILLERY then I wouldn't be mad at all. I'd just be in awe.
I did the same thing too but back when they added helicopters. I was surprised no one thought of it before. My buddy would ping light vehicles, and I would shoot. I just had a ruler I would put on my screen and have a calculator on hand to convert the irl cm's to ingame meters. Then I would just adjust the artillery accordingly. Usually some big HE cannon I would be lobbing.
I managed a 2.5km kill with the 2S3M once thanks to a friend of mine spotting with his drone and giving feedback on the trajectory. It was one of the best feelings I've ever had in WarThunder!
the camera on the drone shows the distance, so at least in theory you could use trigonometry to calculate the distance to the target using it, if you also looked at the distance to yourself, and you might need to account for the altitude of the drone. you could use the compass to estimate the angle between your tank and the target. the drone moving means that you have to get all the required values relatively quickly, but as long as your tank or the target don't move too much it should be doable. nevertheless the calculation would take time, unless you wrote a specific application for it, so it's way easier to just estimate the range using the map and do corrections. I would be very careful about writing any programs that do it though, since it might be against the rules and result in your account getting banned. I'm only saying that it's technically possible and you could always try calculating it yourself without any assistance to see, if it even works.
As long as that program doesn't interact with the game client at all you're fine, people in fact do this already. You could also just glue a calculator to your desk, and if you've been doing the calculations long enough you'll be able to guesstimate.
with the ZBD04A in the game now, it is possible to see an artillery duel between BMP-3/BMD-4 and ZBD04A spawn to spawn, havent got the opportunity to try it out since I matchmake with Russian main friends but it sounds very fun.
i remembered phlydaily have done this with his friends in a video about 1 year ago.they made drone flew over their head when spotted an enemy to know the distance almost exactly correct（drone shows the distance to where the cam lock on）. pretty amazing job there.
When I was still at lower BR in Germany, I always use the Pz. IV C as an arty...Without the drone or range finder, I just assume and adjust the elevation manually until it gets closer and closer to a distant target, and it was fun and requires more ammo in the rack ngl.
It's a lot of fun, I've been doing this for a while using my AVRE, direct line of sight. Furthest kill I have I actually got recorded, it's from our spawn to just outside of the enemy spawn, at max gun elevation and using a hill for extra elevation
The Fact that I've learned to do trigonometry and ballistics just so I could land some long range shots in Tarkov and War Thunder is crazy(I fuckin Hate Math)
you can laugh but i used a rule to calculate the distance faster, the grid square on my screen has exactly 1cm with that i use the rule to determinate the distance within the target, adjust on sight then pull the trigger, it works most of the times and if it fail you have to do very small adjustments
just imagine if they added a range above the markers, no need to calculate each shot as it tells you right there on the screen how far away you are from the marker
Ah, so it *DOES* work like I thought it did- I was always confused thinking I was missing a secret sauce to find the correct range, I thought there'd be more to it than grid square trigonometry. But nope, after that it's just your skill and patience! Thankyou for putting together such a clear and concise breakdown.
this same exact thing can be done in rising storm 2 vietnam where you can set your own markers on map of common spots or when commander abilities are used to show enemy location and align it with your compass using a mortar. racked up 50 kills in a game i normally get 20
If you are unusual guessing correct distance on your target, calculating using the grids should be a basic knowledge for ground players. Just mark your target using your squad mark for precise location then calculate
I believed someone develop an quick estimste version of this grid method. Get note card or some paper card, create strips of 1 by 15 square for every square size. Of course this need to calibrate to your specific display and UI size. Draw tick mark, like 1km bar, with 250m for long tick interval, with 50m short tick interval, then 3 dot between short tick. Adjust the number and tick type to whatever fit your style the best. This way you can get to 10m error within 2 seconds.
Pro tip: if you use commander view you can see where the drone is looking at. It is very hard to see: a small black square, but the drone ping will point you at the right direction from there just use the commander view and dont have to use the ping again.
If you see a drone in the distance and are getting blown up from nowhere its best to take cover from the drone, it worked for me but most of the time you wont see it
I can't wait for the accusations of hacking to start flowing in like water.
i've been doing it for month in my BMD 4 and i can confirm you receive at least a report per match
because with long range shots, the killcam always go crazy
@@deadpixelc Kill cam never shows the trajectory, only the path
This made me remember the orbital Cannon strumtiger@@aegeanharrier6648
Well, I don't blame them, the kill cam just shows the bullet gone through every wall and ground before it's hitting you.
Note: if you sit at spawn and saw random shot landing from nowhere, RUN
Summarizes modern warfare
"if you sit at spawn"
Your brain has already abandoned you.
@@Teh0X SPAA?
@@Teh0Xah yes let me just push the point in my SPAA with its 2mm armor, gotta be a team player!!!! :D
@@WowCoolHorsenot like most armor means anything in war thunder
imagine, imagine math teacher showing war thunder footage to make students interested in math
the Snail has no limit
ngl, if i had a math exam that'd consist of a custom made mission in WT (like for example: the teacher would spawn/position the artillery and i had to compute range to hit a target) then that would make trigonometry infinitely more interesting to me
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the first electric computers were used to calculate artillery trajectories!
The only reason to learn calculus: predicting the flight path of artillery shells.
Who brought pythagoras into war thunder lol
XD I was using War thunder as an excuse to say I'm practicing math, doing this very thing using Pythagoras 🤣
It always was in war thunder
Thats what I have been using to fight tanks in long ranged maps, no laser range finder on most tanks requires me to do it and it's actually very useful even to guess shots even if you have a rangefinder and don't want to spend time checking range.
They said avoid math lessons, they said math is useless.
I've literally seen a video on the WT subreddit of a guy screenshotting his map and using Pythagoras' theorem to plot his Tiger 1 shot.
Sshhhhh, don't uncover our secrets
secret? there is no such thing like that in WT community
You hid this from us 😱
It's a joke @@theanimationmaniac4187
Never was to begin with. I've been using this method since 2014
@@avtomat6471 That's fascinating considering in 2014, there were only the most barebones of tanks, and drones didn't come out until 2022.
Shoutout to Loner1512 for consistently making this work
Yeah I was about to say the same
You could do this with any tank that has a low velocity shell. My buddy and i have been doing it with sturmtiger so we get a massive margin for error and funny triple kills lol
He also uses a more accurate sight for the BMP-3 and BMD-4, which I've found pretty helpful when doing those 2km+ shots.
There’s a dude called Loner on TH-cam here and he does this.. it’s really cool
Loner1512 is his full name
There's also K2 Kit that does the same with Sturmtiger, AVRE, hell - even Andryusha.
Yeha, I've been enjoying those videos. (It makes me lose confidence)
I think K2 Kit Krabiwe does it more efficiently
@@dankerxd4108Isn't he the original creator of the method?
Math is a powerful weapon
Meth also
But Moth - not really.
This is basic math, trial and error
Always has been
Mat kinda
1:24 Pythagorean theorem in War Thunder, finally a use case!
a2+b2=c2
@@epikberman7756 source?!
9th grade math class is the source.
@@Neukend ancient Egypt or smthn
@@Neukend I forgot to show my work 😔
"they're taking our jobs!!!" - every arty vic in war thunder
I took ballistics in school, fascinating subject. Things go up, things go down
back in the day before drone, i once saw one squad in heli spotting and range finding meanwhile other dude shoot at the target using german 15 cm sIG 33 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf)
bro had to type out teh full name of the tank... he had to to do it...
@@JanPopadiuk You gotta honor a real one with its full name
Normal German main @@JanPopadiuk
Would be nice if they can make it so SPGs can go high angle while maintaining the usual gunsight, with the sighting gradient starts readjusting for the ballistic arc the other way.
In the setting you can change your scroll wheel to be sight distance so it’s centred no matter what range
SPG's in real life have 2 sights, an indirect fire sight and direct fire sight. The only one we get to use in warthunder is the direct fire sight.
PhlyDaily did this back then with his friends. He became spotter while his friends used SPGs...
It would be possible if we had options to use half or even quarter charges to achieve a similar projectile arc.
@@4T3hM4kr0nit technically is possible but it would take HOURS because it takes a good minute for your shell to come back down
Give shout out to "Loner" for making video about how to do it
+1
+1
bruh, K2 did it long before drones th-cam.com/video/z6nN2JoBoic/w-d-xo.html
You know War Thunder's gotten to a new level of silly when someone breaks out a set of paper squares.
Just use a ruler. All you need is to keep the map at the proper zoom level.
They should really patch the killcam because kills like these would look like you got "gaijined"
I mean, encountering this bullshittery is already a sign of that
@@GenericRedDot what do you mean Bullshittery? This is how real artillery works.
@@Shaun_Jones doesnt change the fact that its still kinda bullshit lad, war isnt supposed to be fair. ive had this argument in several milsim shooters. the equipment differenes between the ranks and individual vehicles kinda suck fat shit
Tbf the messed up kill cam if someone bvr´s you is often an indicator of aim helpers.
Based RA2 track
Red Alert 2 is hands down the best Red Alert.
SOVIET POWER SUPREME!
i thought this was RA3
W game
First time I saw this on K2 kit krabiwe channel. It was magnificent to watch
Reminds me of an ancient newgrounds tankmen meme
"Pythagorean theorem B****!"
Got killed like that, onetap on my Leo2k, wasnt even mad hella impressive.
Hearing Grinder from RA2.....it's like meeting an old, childhood friend again after all this time.
''Establishing battlefield control.''
@user-ws6bk1dq5uit's RA3, in RA2 there was a Typhoon sub.
I didn't know C&C and WT go amazingly well with one another
Finally an actual use case for trigonometry and calculus
SPGs like type 99 japan need drones
the shell is way too fast to lob over obstacles, the best speed for the shell on war thunder maps is around 400m/s
@@FireShadow75 Unless map is big and flat. After all this arty was build to either use reduced charges for such small range (1-2km is extremely close for SPG) or fire in sky mortar-style.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907
But we don't get to choose charge count in game, don't we?
Also, I believed both type 75 and type 99 use the same single size charge for all shots.
@@jintsuubest9331 Both 75 and 99 can do it, as they use modified american 155 and can use same ammunition without modifications to neither. Not yet in wt however, which would be a big deal if we had indirect fire tool in game.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907
Type 99 is completly domestic. Type 75 is also completly domestic production, with foreign input.
Regardless, the autoloader in Type 99 only support their version of unitary charge. Type 75 charge is manual loaded but the stowage is design to house the unitary charge only.
Afaik, only japanese system that uses seperate charges are the towed and the wheeled.
Can they fire using other charge? Yes, but they are not design to do so.
This is some Sovietwomble rifle grenade level maths.
When people discover commanders view and leading:
this is so fucking cool actually
If it were mainstream, maybe not. But if I were killed in spawn and i saw it was because he was acting as OBSERVER AND ARTILLERY then I wouldn't be mad at all. I'd just be in awe.
Gotta love that Red Alert soundtrack
nice to see other people now doing this and yeh THIS IS A THING AND ITS FUN AF TO DO
Gaijin summoning this guy when i pop 500%:
There is a guy called Loner, he has tons of vids of it, including in detail how to do it
or k2 kit krabiwe
I did the same thing too but back when they added helicopters. I was surprised no one thought of it before. My buddy would ping light vehicles, and I would shoot.
I just had a ruler I would put on my screen and have a calculator on hand to convert the irl cm's to ingame meters.
Then I would just adjust the artillery accordingly. Usually some big HE cannon I would be lobbing.
that's *amazing*
absolutely phenomenal
I managed a 2.5km kill with the 2S3M once thanks to a friend of mine spotting with his drone and giving feedback on the trajectory. It was one of the best feelings I've ever had in WarThunder!
the camera on the drone shows the distance, so at least in theory you could use trigonometry to calculate the distance to the target using it, if you also looked at the distance to yourself, and you might need to account for the altitude of the drone. you could use the compass to estimate the angle between your tank and the target. the drone moving means that you have to get all the required values relatively quickly, but as long as your tank or the target don't move too much it should be doable. nevertheless the calculation would take time, unless you wrote a specific application for it, so it's way easier to just estimate the range using the map and do corrections. I would be very careful about writing any programs that do it though, since it might be against the rules and result in your account getting banned. I'm only saying that it's technically possible and you could always try calculating it yourself without any assistance to see, if it even works.
As long as that program doesn't interact with the game client at all you're fine, people in fact do this already. You could also just glue a calculator to your desk, and if you've been doing the calculations long enough you'll be able to guesstimate.
with the ZBD04A in the game now, it is possible to see an artillery duel between BMP-3/BMD-4 and ZBD04A spawn to spawn, havent got the opportunity to try it out since I matchmake with Russian main friends but it sounds very fun.
I took ballistics in school. Fascinating subject. Things go up, things go down.
i remembered phlydaily have done this with his friends in a video about 1 year ago.they made drone flew over their head when spotted an enemy to know the distance almost exactly correct（drone shows the distance to where the cam lock on）. pretty amazing job there.
We finna learn ballistics with this one
Thank you for finally making a video somewhat explaining this awesome thing in the game
Thats how Loners use bmp/Sheridan as spg
if only M109 can have a drone
The day my 3080 comes back from RMA is the day all those drones die trying to to kill my VR little bird.
This actually equivalent to Cod Mw series when a pro player yeeting a grenade or a knife into the air and landed somewhere near their spawn zone.
im here to say it took me a while setting up this mod and i finally found out! and its sounding SOOOO MUCH better THANKS AGAIN WEBE
Someone has perfected this act and makes good videos on it
When I was still at lower BR in Germany, I always use the Pz. IV C as an arty...Without the drone or range finder, I just assume and adjust the elevation manually until it gets closer and closer to a distant target, and it was fun and requires more ammo in the rack ngl.
this is big, some fresh air into high tier battles
I love this channel, since it actually explains game mechanics in an easy way
"don't bother shooting the drones down"
RA2 ost still bangs harddddddddd
인게임 좌표계와 암산을 이용한 포격
노트, 펜과 계산기를 이용한 포격
누군가 만들어줄 '워썬더 포격 계산기 app'을 이용한 사격통제
It's a lot of fun, I've been doing this for a while using my AVRE, direct line of sight. Furthest kill I have I actually got recorded, it's from our spawn to just outside of the enemy spawn, at max gun elevation and using a hill for extra elevation
The Fact that I've learned to do trigonometry and ballistics just so I could land some long range shots in Tarkov and War Thunder is crazy(I fuckin Hate Math)
Putting trigonometry into good use finally pays off
I love that the crew voices usually sync with the music
bro you are insane, your motivation and skill is overflowing this realm
Also you can use squad mark instead of the mark for team thingy so it doesnt spam the voice notification
but I like to spam the voice notification
you can laugh but i used a rule to calculate the distance faster, the grid square on my screen has exactly 1cm with that i use the rule to determinate the distance within the target, adjust on sight then pull the trigger, it works most of the times and if it fail you have to do very small adjustments
it's amazing the way you use the pitagoraser theorem in the game. unfortunately the average war thunder player will never be able to use it
This is a nice tutorial for long range artillery fire without calling artillery corps
We just started to learn pythagoras at school, and me and my friends who play war thunder are all miles ahead of the class
I wonder how gaijin may ruin this interesting playstyle, I give it hmm...,.,. 5-6 business units
put it behind a paywall lol
SPGs coming with drones for only $74,99
@@kanortex9894nah man, make it 79,99
Interesting playstyle? oh boy..
@@kanortex9894 LOL
Loner 1512 is the master in this
Shoutout to loner guy, been wathcing him before this vid dropped
now imagine if we had mortar vehicles
Ah Yes
Real Artillery after The Artillery Update
The Update with no Real Artillery
Epic
Loner is weeping, cmon Zenturion, give the true arty man his credit :(
This is the coolest thing I have ever seen.
I personally prefer RBT-5/Sturmtiger for this role, however it requires 1) teammate in a heli; 2)access to a captured point to reload those monsters.
reminds me of grenades and knives thrown from one spawn to the other at the beginning of every match in cod
Reminds me of a lob with a sturmtiger I did a while back, about 1,6km range, spawn to spawn, on fields of Normandy
I came for Hell Divers,
I did not stay for War Thunder.
I learn pythagoras from videos about how aim howitzer artillery accurately
Finally, one way to make that skill useful
just imagine if they added a range above the markers, no need to calculate each shot as it tells you right there on the screen how far away you are from the marker
Yeah what about we spawn and start shooting at each other and not move our ass to the objectives, very fun gameplay!
With how few people are playing the objective, they should use yellow paint.
This is how you use drones
Ah, so it *DOES* work like I thought it did- I was always confused thinking I was missing a secret sauce to find the correct range, I thought there'd be more to it than grid square trigonometry. But nope, after that it's just your skill and patience! Thankyou for putting together such a clear and concise breakdown.
..This is just how real world artillery works. The War Thunder all-in-direct-fire battle is the real troll in real world.
Awesome, best WT video I’ve seen in a few months
The Pythagorean Theorem works too
K2 Krabiwe is happy
I love the RA2 energy.
Imagine getting a crew for this lol. One guy fly drone, one guy sit with you and just calculate, and you fire.
Very easy to do with new new Chinese IFV because the drone has thermals
this same exact thing can be done in rising storm 2 vietnam where you can set your own markers on map of common spots or when commander abilities are used to show enemy location and align it with your compass using a mortar. racked up 50 kills in a game i normally get 20
I believe I was a victim of these shenanigans in my M60A3 TTS a few days ago on regular Tunisia. Dude hit my side and I was done for.
If you are unusual guessing correct distance on your target, calculating using the grids should be a basic knowledge for ground players.
Just mark your target using your squad mark for precise location then calculate
I believed someone develop an quick estimste version of this grid method.
Get note card or some paper card, create strips of 1 by 15 square for every square size. Of course this need to calibrate to your specific display and UI size.
Draw tick mark, like 1km bar, with 250m for long tick interval, with 50m short tick interval, then 3 dot between short tick. Adjust the number and tick type to whatever fit your style the best.
This way you can get to 10m error within 2 seconds.
target: *moves a little*
arty: DAMMIT!
Bro is using pythagorean theorem in war thunder
1:25 i've used this exact method in Squad as a Heavy Anti Tank role lmfao, you get them every single time from a cross the map its crazy.
That funnier when you do this as a squad
One spotter, 3 Sturmtiger
Pro tip: if you use commander view you can see where the drone is looking at. It is very hard to see: a small black square, but the drone ping will point you at the right direction from there just use the commander view and dont have to use the ping again.
Congratulations for Loner for giving this guy idea
They should add a predicted shell impact on the minimap for artilery
cant wait for the bmp3 to unlock and try this, thank you so much!
That is accurate firing! Good job :D
no you hunt resupplying helis with this
That would be a looong shot. But also extremely cool.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 someone already did that on yt short lol
@@pheaktra_thats awesome lol, lets make it a common occurance
Historicaly accurate warthunder match
@@pheaktra_ I did lol. 4.5km
funny to see the ukies influence war thunder instead of it being the opposite this time around
I've written a Python script (like 3 lines of poor-ass code) to help me with calculations, lot of fun
If you see a drone in the distance and are getting blown up from nowhere its best to take cover from the drone, it worked for me but most of the time you wont see it