The REAL Sherlock Holmes - Anglophenia Ep 3
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- Did you know Arthur Conan Doyle's complicated sleuth was based on a real person? Siobhan Thompson does some detective work on the man who would become Sherlock Holmes.
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For me, the definitive Sherlock Holmes is Jeremy Brett, but, I have to say, for a modernised version, Benedict Cumberbatch is not only PERFECT for the role, but the way the role is written is extremely well-researched and faithful to canon.
Except for the part where Sherlock's gay as opposed to the canonically abstinent (possibly asexual) Sherlock Holmes.
That's YOUR interpretation, actually. The script for 'Sherlock,' however, has always been ambiguous in that respect ('not my area,' etc.), just like the canon. 'Married to my work,' is what we know for definite. That, and that Sherlock most definitely loves John, which is also purely canon (what else do you call the feelings between Holmes and Watson, for God's sake? There ARE, after all, many different types of love, aren't there?) The rest is subtext which is up to viewer scrutiny. Not invalidating your interpretation, or saying it'd be wrong to think so from the show -- just saying it IS one.
I completely agree! I just had a look at the feedback of first time viewers who saw The Sign of Three (which was described as a 'love letter to John', but again, ambiguous definition of love) and most thought it was blatantly obvious Sherlock is in love with John. I didn't catch it the first time (or second time I watched it) but I think the scene of goodbyes at the end of His Last Vow is completely revelatory. However, I completely agree that obviously nothing's been said explicitly so it's entirely left to interepretation!
agreed
As an Native born Scot, from Edinburgh, I was well aware of Dr Bell’s Story. But I do enjoy Cumberback’s version.
But having grown up with Basil Rathborne in his First Victorian, then WW ll version. Not to forget he was a WW l hero. Jeremy Brett, was great too. Sherlock’s character has been with us a very long time. So get a good Actor, or better yet a great one, a good script, it’s bound to be a great entertainment.
My favorite is Benedict Cumberbatch, with Robert Downey Jr. being a close second. My only problem with Downey is that I can't stop seeing him as Iron Man, not Mr. Holmes. And Benedict is too perfect! I'm also glad that you elected not to mention that abomination, the American show "Elementary."
NoIAmNotaWeasley I agree. I absolutely HATE "Elementary". I despise the depiction of Holmes and I hate that Watson is a female.
+NoIAmNotaWeasley I know right!! The Americanized version doesn't hold a candle to Sherlock how could you go wrong with Cumberbatch as for DOWNEY it took me awhile to get over the image of his brat-pack days chasing MOLLY RINGWALD in something or other !!? but he does a fine job playing the most physical out of the HOLMES'S keep watching!!
Shrug I'm a hardcore Brett and Cumberbatch fan.
Whenever Downey mugs the screen as 'hobo' Holmes he really grates on me somehow.
I do like him as Iron Man though.
Cumberbach and Freeman just nail their relationship. They are more funny too. And their housekeeper.
Hugh Laurie as Dr. House is hands down my favorite Sherlock Holmes
In the Doctor Who episode 'Tooth and Claw', when the Doctor introduces himself to Queen Vicky, he say "… from Endinburgh University. I studied under Dr Bell myself". This is who he is referring to.
To whom he is referring.
Jeremy Brett was head and shoulders above any other Holmes I've seen. He made all of Holmes' quirkiness make sense, made Holmes a real person. We got to see Holmes' soul.
I agree. He insisted on doing the "real" stories.
Yeah but BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH IS LIFE
life? Or do you mean alive?
Favorite Sherlock Holmes portrayal: Jeremy Brett.
He's the gold standard.
+Gary Cooper the story goes that JEREMY went a little balmy in his method acting approach to the HOLMES role!!
+Gary Cooper Read the books, then got the boxset. Brett really did have a absolutely spot on. Every little nuance was accurate.
I will seriously automatically like every single one of your videos that mentions anything remotely related to Benedict Cumberbatch!
me too
Yeah
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock ty
Eleanor Wade Benedict is the best
Eleanor Wade No. Hes nice looking but that doesn't make him best. Jeremy Brett owns this role...and taking it out of a Victorian/Edwardian setting is obscene and speaks to the lack of originality in writers today
No the character and the way he plays Sherlock is what makes him the best in my opinion. the cheekbones and the good looks are just a bonus. The way Gatiss and Moffat, have adapted the amazing works of Cohen-Doyle, and made the character a high functioning sociopath with asbergers, in modern day, to me shows the creativity, and originality in today's writing.
Ciara Greene He is amazing, and very beautiful to look at.
Steven Edwards No the character and the way he plays Sherlock is what makes him the best in my opinion. the cheekbones and the good looks are just a bonus. The way Gatiss and Moffat, have adapted the amazing works of Cohen-Doyle, and made the character a high functioning sociopath with asbergers, in modern day, to me shows the creativity, and originality in today's writing.
I find Jeremy Brett is the definitive Sherlock Holmes but I enjoy watching Benedict Cumberbatch
Thoroughly researched, highly informative and a tad inquisitive :) ! Overall, loved the video.
Thanks, budalastina!
I love all these videos. Brava Siobhan!! It might be worth mentioning, though, that Homes NEVER wore a deerstalker hat in the stories; the deerstalker garb was invented by the illustrator.
M. John Angel, Director of the Angel Academy of Art, Florence.
Well done. My vote would be for Brett as the greatest ever screen Holmes.
I like the way the Cumberbatch series shows what he is seeing when looking for clues .
You know that Sherlock Holmes never actually said "Elementary, my dear Watson!" in the book.
Yes. Yes, I do.
As an Edinbrugh surgeon, Bell may well have been involved in a number of crimes, mostly grave robbing. Where do you think medical schools of the time got their cadavers for dissection? The Edinbrugh medical scene was also the inspiration for Frankenstein.
My all-time favorite continues to be Jeremy Brett, he was the Holmes I grew up with, but it's always fun to see what other actors pick out of the Holmes character to run with.
It was actually William Gillette that gave Holmes the deerstalker hat and curved pipe. He also added the magnifying glass, the violin and the phrase " Why it's elementary, my dear fellow"
It pleases me greatly that the consensus on here that Brett was the incomparable Holmes.
+Mark Oglesby I do love Cumberbatch's portrayal as well, but Brett was the best as-close-to-the-books-as-possible Holmes.
+retnavybrat I absolutely agree: Cumberbatch is great, but Brett was the best!
+GraupeLie if you get the chance, read the books, or the audiobook which are on TH-cam (not the ones read by an American, it's just wrong) then watch the Brett episode afterwards. It makes you realise how much work he put into the character.
I know, I have them all at home as a facsimile Strand Magazine edition - I'm a Sherlockian myself ;) So I do know how close the Granada series is to the original. And Jeremy Brett did such a terrific job there - wow!
I recently started to re-read the stories and the funny thing is that, as I'm reading, Watson's voice in my head is Martin Freeman, but Holmes is Jeremy Brett.
Though I love them all, Jeremy Brett *was* Sherlock Holmes. Hands down, impeccable, the Greatest.
Jeremy Brett is THE Sherlock Holmes. Cumberbatch is not bad, but Jeremy is the one.
Absolutely agree. Brett is far and away the best.
Oh, my dear lady you are incredible! I'm Polish, I discovered you just yesterday and so I want to thank you for your canal! I'm learning and having fun at the same time - it's all thanks to you! :)) One thing I'd like to say about "choosing the right Sherock": it really does not matter which Sherlock we decide is best. What matters is what brings us here - to watching Sherlock or reading Sherlock. I'm just 22 years old so when I think of Sherlock Holmes I see the book, the stories in my mind as well as Robert D.J and Benedict Cumberbatch. I didn't have the pleasure to meet the previous ones. BUT - it all comes to what those "Sherlocks" make me do. Thanks to them (especially B.C right now) I want to go deeper and deeper into the Sherlock Holmes' world. I've just ordered the complete S.H by Arthur Conan Doyle (in english, not translated into polish) so I will learn and have fun simultanously (yeah, exactly what I've said about your videos :D) It's been more than a year since I've watched the first "Sherlock" episode (TV show, I mean). Because I've loved it from the very first moments I watched all the rest till the end without subtitles, then again with english subtitiles and with polish ones at last because my mum wanted to see that too. I love the sensation when I need to stretch my brain so hard watching these episodes, trying to catch every word :) As always it seems that the best way to learn something and to find the right motivation is to fall in love (with character, actor, book, place, music, person - doesn't matter). One can do everything (including learning foreign language) when is in love.
Love is the key. :)) So don't fight about the faces and focus on your reason to read or watch any Sherlock you like. :)
Apologise for my mistakes. Greetings from Poland:)
Dominika.
Cumberbatches' Holmes to me is the best, been a fan my whole life, used to read Doyle's books as a kid.
Love Cumberbatch as Holmes. Also enjoy Jonny Lee Miller's version too. There is room for many different Sherlocks. Thanks, Siobhan, for the information on Bell, had no idea there was a real role model. He must have been a piece of work!
That thing about signing autographs as Watson makes me really happy. I would want one of those over Doyle's actual signature.
Without a doubt, Jeremy Brett is my favorite Sherlock because he portrayed him brilliantly and the episodes have a wonderful feeling of authenticity.
Basil Rathbone is the real Sherlock Holmes
Jeremy Brett is The Sherlock Holmes and Benedict Cumberbatch is a good modern Sherlock.
+In1998able I highly concur ...although Ben is, to me, beyond a doubt the SEXIEST Holmes of all time. :-)
+In1998able Jeremy Brett will always be Sherlock Holmes to me, and I completely agree about Cumberbatch being a great modern Holmes.
Vasily Livanov (from soviet TV series) was definitely PERFECT as Sherlock Holmes
As I was raised watching the Basil Rathbone movies, I certainly feel a natural affinity for his portrayal. However, having become addicted to the iteration devised by Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat, I must place Cumberbatch's portrayal of the modernised Holmes, with his smartphone and nicotine patches, at the pinnacle. The relationship between Holmes and Watson, while true to canon, also allows for a more modern twist... especially with all of the questions about the, ahem, 'nature' of their friendship.
Siobhan, love your episodes here. Very nicely done. ;)
I'll vote for Basil Rathbone as my favorite.
As a Holmes fanatic and a recent discoverer of Siobhan's work from her accent video, I am DELIGHTED to see both of these in one video. :D
I wholeheartedly agree with Brett being my all time favorite! Another British actor I haven't seen mentioned is Ronald Howard. he played a younger Sherlock, and was absolutely amazing. It was the only American production of Sherlock Holmes, and most of the stories were originals written in the Holmes style. He's my second favorite Holmes....he was also known as Wing Commander Hayes in a Chuck Connors series. If you haven't seen his Holmes...you should!
Jeremy Brett brought Holmes to life better than anyone. Hands down.
Basil Rathbone certainly looked the part but his performances were a bit too dry honestly. Holmes was described as having a flair for the dramatic in Doyle's stories and Rathbone never really captured that, while Brett nailed it. Robert Downey, who I normally like very much, should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as either of those two men when it comes to Holmes.
This is a little bit cheating but I love Hugh Laurie's portrayal of Holmes. And I hear you say that Hugh never played Holmes, but House is based on Holmes (and Wilson is based on Watson). And I just love the modern changes the series gave to the old character.
Bbc Sherlock is my favorite of Sherlock Holmes
There was a fictional series called 'The Murder Rooms' broadcast on the BBC 2000/2001, about Dr. Bell staring Ian Richardson (Francis Urquart in 'House of Cards' - BBC TV version - from 1990) It is well worth the viewing.
Love this channel.
My favorite version of Sherlock Holmes is RDJ. Mostly due to the fact that he did extremely well portraying the character without beating the audience over the head explaining every detail in his portrayal in an effort to perfectly match the original.
Jeremy Brett was the BEST!
I would sooooooo love to met this Joseph Bell - it must be amazing to watch a REAL person being so smart and deducting facts about another person's life just by looking at them *-*
I grew up reading the Doyle books, and watching the Basil Rathbone / Nigel Bruce films on Sunday afternoons, but as far as I'm concerned Jeremy Brett was THE Sherlock Holmes. The Granada series are absolutely perfect adaptations of the Canon. When Sherlock and then Elementary were announced, I thought I'd love the BBC's show and hate the upstart American production, but as it turns out I far prefer Elementary to Sherlock - I simply don't care for Gatiss and Moffat's take on the character.
My favorite Sherlock Holmes is, of course, the fast talking Benedict Cumberbatch.
Basil Rathbone
I love audio in your videos!!! Well done!
I did not know any of this! Interesting :)
The only Holmes I've bonded with as a character is Benedict Cumberbatch's. Of course, I haven't seen a whole lot of versions of Sherlock Holmes.
My all-time favourite Sherlock Holmes is Benedict Cumberbatch, just can't change that. :D
Did you know.....Benedict Cumberbatch is the son of that well known & stunningly beautiful British actress Wanda Ventham who starred in numerous British TV shows & Films in the 1970's -so thats where he gets his good looks from!
What about Jonny Lee Miller?
Hi shivon, I recently discovered Ur channel (I know: what an amator!!) and I love your videos,thank you so much, and I want to ask you about the famous charactere of Moriarty, from whom did conan inspire this charactere?, thank you and good luck in making more videos.
Holmes fans owe it to themselves to see Michael Cain's portrayal of Holmes in, "Without a Clue", with Ben Kingsley as Watson. Absolutely hysterical. The more you know about Holmes, the funnier it is.
would have liked a longer video with more information but still pretty good. I like both RDJ and Cumberpatch portrayals because they both have a different take on the character that I like. RDJ does the snarky, humourous side, Cumberpatch is more serious side.
Benedict has my vote. Not just beacuse he is pretty but because he is a fanTASTIC actor!
I'm still waiting for my all time favorite Sherlock Holmes.
Jeremy Brett! Without question.
For me, Jeremy Brett was the definitive Holmes. He was the first Sherlock Holmes I saw on TV...ok, the second one, the first was animated Holmes in Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century.
The literary predecessor for Holmes is certainly Poe's Dupin. Read a couple of his short stories and you'll be amazed at the similarities. Also, you might enjoy reading about Solar Pons, a similar character based on Holmes who had tons of stories written about him. It's amazing!
Hi, I love your videos. I am a foreign person trying to improve my english. Is it possible to find the transcriptions of your videos. I do not understand every word you say, It is a little bit difficult.
For me, the best Holmes is still Robert Stephens's portrayal of the Great Detective in Billy Wilder's masterpiece The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. Though the film wast butchered by ham handed editing by the studio, it's still an absolute gem. It also has the distinct advantage of having the utterly magnificent Christopher Lee as Mycroft.
Benedict, of course.
I have to say, I do enjoy Benedict Cumberbatch's Sherlock. I also like the quirky Johnny Lee Miller's portrayal (Elementary)
Mine is Jeremy Brett. Good Lord that man's VOICE!
I knew about Bell but not the other two. By the way this is a great youtube series, I just got a later one in my recommendation and then I was hooked and randomly moved from one to another until I decided to start at #1 and watch them all in sequence. I'm not American nor British but French Canadian and its fun to see what we have in common with one or the other culture.
as a traditional Holmes, Jeremy Brett hands down
It's all about type casting...so there is one and one alone: Jeremy Brett
Benedict Cumberbatch of course!
You had Irish bagpipes playing during the CSI: Edinburgh bit. Tisk tisk
Basil Rathbone... I just hated that only two of the films were period. Moving him into Nazi times, wasn't quite the same (and the cheaper budgets showed). Also, Christopher Plummer was very good in "Murder By Decree" investigating Jack the Ripper (with the bonus of James Mason as Dr. Watson!).
There was a TV show called Murder Rooms dramatizing Bell and Doyle solving crimes. It starred Ian Richardson and Charles Edwards.
What is the name of the type of over coat Sherlock Holmes typically wore? Some day I'd like to make a cape similar to it, only with a hood and not a collar on it. I'm mostly puzzled as to how the arm holes were done in that type of coat. I don't think the main piece has sleeves, but the arms and shoulders are covered by the smaller caplette.
You didn't mention that the Sherlock Holmes character has somewhat it origins in Edgar Allan Poe's "Dupin" in "Murders in the Rue Morgue" written in 1841. Doyle felt obliged to mention "Dupin" in his first Holmes story "Study in Scarlet." Even Houdini commented Doyle purloined Poe's pen. hehe Saw Brett live in a Holmes play in London just before he died. He was the best, but I now prefer Cumberbatch in modern London. Jonny Lee Miller is very, very good too.
I haven't watch that many versions but I have to say Cumberbatch, Sherlock is the best. He just so multidimensional, but I do feel that they tried to hard with his character to some extent. They keep making Cumberbatch's Sherlock this supernatural type human being to the point he has a god like status on the show. It's cool but it honestly lack realistic feel in some scenarios of the show.
I love the humanising approach taken by the Elementary screenwriters. Sherlock is everything that he has been portrayed as, but also a human and sympathetic character. check it out
Not even going to bother watching this. There's only one for me the beautiful Jeremy Brett!
Interesting to note that Sherlock Holmes said "Elementary" and "My dear Watson," but he never said together "Elementary, my dear Watson." Please check it out.
BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH × 100000000 × INFINITE
Hehe he wins
My favourite Sherlock Holmes adaptation is Basil the Great Mouse Detective :')
1. Cumberbatch
2. RDJ
3. Rathbone
4. Jeremy Brett
+Alicia Coburg What no Wishbone?
I had just seen a program about Coyle and Bell. My favorite used to be Jeremy Brett, but IMO, Benedict Cumberbatch is definitely the best Holmes ever.
I have to say Jeremy Brett as a traditional Holmes. Cumberbatch is ok if you want to set Sherlock in the present day - and Robert Downey Jr. is great for those with an attention span of 2 mins.
Love these videos
Tossup between Jeremy Brett and Robert Downey Jr. Great video!
Jeremy Brett closely followed by Peter Cushing and honorary mention goes to Jonny Lee Miller
When I was a kid the winner would have been Basil Rathbone
My favourite Sherlock Holmes would have to be the original from the books. I've read graphic novel versions and watched a lot of movies, but all of them miss that spark that Holmes has, and they also miss a lot of the details from Watson. Does anyone remember that he no longer serves as a doctor because he was badly injured?! Everyone seems to miss everything stated in the first chapter of the first book that tells you most of what you need to know about them.
*Not trying to be rude, so I'm sorry if it's taken the wrong way.
Benedict Cumberbatch is my favourite, he's perfect and its slot more interesting in modern day.
Benedict cumberbatch!!! No doubt:*:*:*
I want to learn his acting skills!!
RDJ is my favorite Sherlock. I like Basil Rathbone, and I have a soft spot for Tom Baker, too. But RDJ is absolutely amazing as Sherlock. I just can't get into the BBC series, though I do like Cumberbatch.
I've heard that Holmes was also partially based on the detective in Edgar Allen Poe's short story Murders on the Rue Morgue.
so, example what are choose superman or batman in the label production movie warner bros?
What about Poe's detective Auguste Dupin? I have always wondered who wrote the first detective story.
Vasiliy Livanov is one of the best Shelocks ever, I think. :))
Benedict Cumberbatch's Holmes is my favorite. Though, I also enjoyed the Robert Stephens version of Holmes. Robert Downey Jr. did a fantastic job in his role as Holmes, though I felt his look was wrong for the character.
I love the quirky way Cumberbatch plays Sherlock Holmes but I am old school and would have to say Basil Rathbone is my favourite.
Jeremy Brett. Classy smart and Holmes.
Stop me if someone already pointed this out, but you had Irish bagpipes playing during the "CSI: Edinburgh" bit.
Jeremy Brett! There IS no other Sherlock Holmes!
your are great! Could you do one on dr who one time?
I like Jeremy Bretts version since it is written according to the book with brilliant acting. BC's version is just a spin off.
can someone provide the script please
Vasilij Livanov and Benedict Cumberbatch.
Lovely video!
BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH ASDFGHJKL