They better do a great integration of Chloe for us that saved her, yes to phone calls and texts and pictures and lots of Max gushing about her girl, because i didn't destroy Arcadia Bay for these two to breakup or just not be a properly established and well developed couple, especially because Max's story was about her relationship with Chloe, chloe is the second most important character of og lis and I need her back.
I mean, I love Chloe and Max as much as the next person, but that's how things go sometimes. Whether they are friends or more, people, no matter how close they may've been, sometimes grow apart. People break up. Chloe isn't exactly the most secure person in the world. It may have been her choice. Perhaps what happened at the Bay weighed too much on their relationship. Maybe they felt different once they moved away or got older. Who knows? They were just kids, really. I don't think that choice is presented to you to imply, "Oh yeah, these too will definitely be together forever." The only thing saving Chloe was meant to achieve was giving her a second chance. We may want to things to end neatly like that but that's the thing about Life is Strange that makes it so poignant. That's just not the way things work. You save the Bay and say goodbye to your best friend or you save your best friend and kill an entire population of people. Either way, you have to live with that choice. Everything else is left up to speculation. And it may seem unfair given what is sacrificed. But, um, well... Life Is Strange...
@@DoriDoesVoices I mean absolutely you have the choice to save or not Chloe and being romantically involved with her or not and with what we saw I think you'll have the choice to adjust that to your specificity, I saved her and while being in love with her, the narrative doesn't have any obligation of being realistic about the weight of the choice that was made so they can be together forever after it. Have you read the comics?? Save Chloe live life get separated in different realities spend years trying to get back together and then live the rest of their lives gay married?? All I expect is a choice for that u know a happily ever after for their relationship 🤷
@@DoriDoesVoicesThey were best friends for their entire lives and Max literally went through time and so much pain and struggle to be with Chloe. It is insane that they would break up cuz they "grew apart". However they could be temporary apart for other reasons like trauma. That would make sense, anything else is just silly.
I mean it should't be such a shocking revelation that who you love at 18 might not be in your life at all by your late 20's. The fact that Max still keeps a picture of Chloe in her wallet and how she looked at the picture obviously shows that she still loves Chloe. So there's obviously more to the story.
I feel like the "That's how things work out sometimes" excuse goes out the window when you went through hell and sacrificed a city for them, there's just no way they'd simply grow apart after that. Or at least it shouldn't in any story.
@@setsumikokonoe4814 right ?? they are quite literally bonded for life because of their shared experiences. nobody in the whole world 'except for david) will understands what it felt like to lose your whole home town. and actually nobody knows what they went through in that week of lis1. i dont think its possible to let go and just grown apart after that.
If anyone has read the comics, it isn’t too far fetched for Chloe to be both alive and dead especially when Max seems to be developing the same kind of power from the comics in Double Exposure. I know the comics aren’t considered cannon but, if they have implemented the same power, it wouldn’t be impossible for DeckNine to find a way to implement both endings using the comics as inspiration
Knowing that it's a new power to travel between realities, all Max has to do is find a reality where Arcadia isn't destroyed AND Chloe's alive, right? In the other reality things might be different.
The facts that max has been at the uni for 6 months already (way too long for chloe to just be on a roadtrip somewhere), that she now calls safi her best friend and that there are new romance options in the game worry me, but there are still some things that give me hope that they didnt just break them up off screen. As he pointed out, the pictures max holds are different (likely depending on which ending you chose), and a couple years ago there were leaks (which were now proven true) that say chloe is in the game and will make an appearance. Man october cant come soon enough
@@Theblackout292 I know, why does that matter though? Doesnt matter if shes a teacher or a student, she has still been there for 6 months, which worries me because its way too long for chloe to just be away somwhere
The developers did say that they respect both choices. They said the bae or bay decision was not canon. My theory was the timeline where Safi asked Max was the timeline where Chloe was sacrificed, and when Max stepped into an alternate universe, Chloe was still alive and well.
Chloe,Warren and Kate is who I care about, When I did the Warren playthrough I still chose Chloe in the end, too much history with her to let her die. It made the kiss between Max and Warren more heartbreaking, It was kind of like Max saying Warren I like you too,but maybe in another lifetime,I can't leave Chloe. Goodbye kiss. Kate though is the only reason I hesitated on saving Chloe, I needed to know she was safe. I convinced myself she was not at ground zero but still at the hospital waiting for her parents.
Or maybe she is liking Warren but Chloe is just kiss for the plot. This is the issue with that. Live interest. What about the rest? What about you? Isnt it just egoistic which you prefer to be your love interest? Maybe life is about it...
@@harrymg8458 good,because saving Kate was a powerful moment, If she died at ground zero of the Twister would mean saving Kate was pointless. It is too bad about Warren,but even on a Max straight playthrough,she just can't let Chloe die. When I played Max as Bi & 100% Girls only decide to save Chloe only for a slightly more intimate reason.
@@ArcaneMelodies82 yeah like with bay you dont have the guarantee it will go how it did in the playthrough, like max might fail to talk down kate this time around
In LIS2 if you choose the sacrifice Arcadia bay ending from LIS1 you can meet Chloe’s stepdad in a hippie caravan and it seems that him and Chloe have improved there relationship maybe Chloe is left to go see him
Regarding the dialog choices on choosing Chloe as a highschool sweetheart or friend, the previous question Safi probably asked was why Max left the bay and was being secretive leading to you saying either ‘I left due a storm striking my town’ or ‘I left due to the passing of my friend’ leading to Safi questioning if Chloe is the friend that ‘passed’ if you chose the ladder option
No not at all, Chloe still alive in this timeline. If Chloe died in the bathroom, it means the teenage Max and Chloe did not meet each other at all. Also, if Chloe die, Max could not take the photo of Chloe as shown in the trailer.
@@tatthanh8980just because they didn’t meet in the timeline max lives in, it doesn’t mean she forgot about her. She experienced several timelines where she and Chloe were closer than they had ever been, and that doesn’t make those memories any less real to her, even if they didn’t happen in the timeline she’s living in. Also, she could’ve gotten that photo from Joyce or something. Maybe she found it in her room. Max attended Chloe’s funeral & im pretty sure you can see her talking to Joyce and David, so it’s not crazy to assume they kept in touch after her death, and let her take some pictures and stuff for sentimental reasons.
We actually see that at the end of the game when Chloe dies When reality changes we see events change we see Nathan and Jefferson being arrested and we see max comforting Joyce and David,Joyce giving Chloe's stuff to Max and Max looking at dozens of photos of Chloe
@@tatthanh8980Max Still has the memories of the week she spent alongside Chloe and Joyce saw Max again after Chloe's death she gave her things and photos of Chloe
My opinion: The two endings are competely different. If you as game developer want to respect the decision of both player bases (including fanservice), you should develop two completely different games. The costs would be insane and 50% of the game would be never seen by the player base who decided for a different ending. Solution: keep the differences at minimum => 1) choose a different location for your game (check), 2) choose different characters for your game (check?) IMO the characters and places from LIS1 will only be briefly mentioned. Some dialogue options, photos, maybe 1-2 scenes at most (like the hospital scene in Episode 4 LIS 1 when you saved Kate). And 95% of Double Exposure will work irrespective of your LIS1 decision. This means sadly that Chloe MUST have a minor role in the game (if any) even if you decided for saving her.
@@moonmoon2479 Blinded simp Players for Chloe are too selfish to logically think shit through in the grand scheme of things. It would make no damn sense to save Chloe, and sacrifice a whole damn town for her. That would completely go against Max character. She isn't selfish, nor blinded by the tasked set before her in the first game to set things right. Chloe was a necessary sacrifice, that should have never needed to happen in the first place. By Max saving her she literally caused chaos to rain down on the town.
You explore two universes. My bet is that it starts with the universe where Chloe died and you can go to a universe where Chloe lived, the butterfly effect is that choosing Chloe to die led to Maxs new friend dying, choosing Chloe to live let’s maxs friend live. Going between the two universes allows you to see Chloe again whilst being able to structure the game in a way where Chloe is in it with out having to compete with the players that chose her to die. It allows all players choices to be validated whilst giving die hard fans another adventure with Chloe and max.
I thought the plot of the game is that Max tries to investigate the murder to prevent it in the other timeline. So if she just lives in Chloes timeline that kinda would mess with that, wouldn't it? She still has to be in danger so that the investigation is relevant, unless I missed something or got it wrong (which might be the case, I only watched the trailer). But it's a nice theory
Hello! :) Thank you for making this video! I’ve seen plenty of speculations regarding Chloe’s role in the game, but I’m pretty confident that she’ll appear in it - but because she won’t be the focus and likely appear late into the game, the developers understandably decided not to feature her in any material. :) Too bad that likely destroys the theory of Bay and Bae being represented in the two timelines Max visits. I would’ve loved to give both parties a little bit of Chloe … So far, I think it’s pretty clear that material from the “Sacrifice Chloe” ending was shown and that Deck Nine wouldn’t invalidate players’ choices like that. As someone who loves Chloe, but chose the Bay on my first playthrough, I would be MASSIVELY disappointed if she didn’t appear in the Bae route at least! (However, I think it’s pretty insulting to phrase the left option when talking to Safi as “We were just friends”. It should’ve been “We were best friends” imo. “Just” doesn’t do justice for Max and Chloe’s relationship!) When it comes to the romance options, I think a likely explanation _could_ be a break-up that determinantly can get resolved. After all, it’s very unlikely that the romance options are only for Bayers and Friend-Baers; maybe they are for (Ex-)Girlfriend-Baers too, but if you choose not to pursue them, Max and Chloe resolve their break-up and get their happy ending :) At least that’s the only way I can explain the existence of romance options and a possible break-up. (Funnily enough, I do think a break-up would be _somewhat_ realistic … but for God’s sake, DON’T DO IT AND GIVE THEM THEIR WELL-DESERVED HAPPY ENDING INSTEAD) However, overall, I’m not too concerned. To me, it seems like Chloe’s presence is purposefully kept hidden in order to surprise players, so I’ll look forward to meeting her in my Bae save file :) Btw, something that was mentioned on Reddit is the fact that Rhianna DeVries’ website mentions a voice over and motion capture for an unannounced video game … and while that could mean any other game, or be used for flashbacks only, it could also mean that Chloe will physically appear and speak to Max! (I absolutely love your idea about using a montage to show Max’s and Chloe’s life after the events of DE, btw. And now I will be massively disappointed if we won’t get one XD) Once again, thanks for making this video :)
Great video! So cool to see all the detective style videos from the community. I think that’s probably one of my favorite things about this games fanbase we never stop hyper analyzing even the smallest little details. Anyways great video I also really appreciate all the effort you made in the editing.
Good and balanced take. I’m open to the idea of them breaking up but still being a big part of each other’s lives. Max and Chloe clearly have a deep connection, but realistically they’d have issues being around each other all the time. Maybe, in the Bae timeline, Max and Chloe are taking a break and, instead of romancing a new character, Max choose to go on an arc to rekindle with Chloe? I’d be happy to see that.
Even though the comic books are not canon to the video games, Max & Chloe are still together in them so that sort of gives me some comfort. I really wish DeckNine and Square Enix brought back Chloe, Chloe is the whole reason I fell in love with the whole LiS series.
Ooh i wonder if Chloe is off doing a arts degree or something, we've seen she seems to like drawing (or has in the past growing up) and we all know how much she loves to spraypaint, i could definitely see her pursuing a arts degree with a little push and encouragement from Max.
I'm pretty sure either ending would have Max feeling guilty of her choice. One is that Max felt guilty for sacrificing Arcadia Bay and started to drift away from Chloe. Second is that Max started distancing herself from grief. Overall I just hope the writers handle her character and relationships well.
Is it really "clever" marketing or a mistake? Genuine question It could be clever if they get a whole second round of hype for the game when they reveal Chloe will be in it. But it could be a mistake if they've gotten so much backlash already that people won't buy the game or at least will wait for it to go on sale.
i think they might release a trailer inbetween the 2 weeks of ultimate edition's release, to generate hype for the final 3 episodes - in which they'll show a glimpse/teaser of Chloe i definitely think this is purposeful atm
You gotta remember there was 2 endings in lis1 and they have said they will respect them both. If Chloe is dead then all of them make sense as does why she would have new romance options
I did not even choose the save Chloe ending but I'm gonna be mad if there isn't an option in Double Exposure to play with the save Chloe ending, I loved Chloe's character and even though I saved the town I'd still want to see how their relationaship evolved. Hopefully they'll implement both endings, I'll play the one I choose first aka death Chloe rip and then the other one, replayability is very important in games.
It doesn't make sense, though. Max didn't choose Chloe to dump her again. She chose her to always be together because she lost her once. Remember their last words at the end? "Max...I'll always be with you" - "Forever." And they did stay together even after 4 years as shown by Dontnod in their sequel. If Max dumps Chloe again in this ending, then Deccknine clearly doesn't understand the original story or Max. And they definitely don't respect Bae in that case.
I hate the feeling like if you sacrifice her, entire game is just resumed and all things are chosesen by devs. So basically that would be third ending, another timeline, when max (or not her, something definately) make the rich kid not that anxious and conflicted to show with a gun in toilet. Or with jeffereson....? I would rather want to play game in jeffereson or rich kid perspective than this... Or maybe max focusing on their childchood from photos? You know? That would bs interesting and creating whole uniwerse
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 Why do you assume Max would be the one dumping? Chloe is her own person. And she's not the most stable, emotionally. That's just how things go sometimes. You can promise things all night long but people change, sometimes. Especially after a traumatic event. That doesn't necessarily discount the sincerity of what you felt at that time. There are dozens of possible reasons why they may have gone their separate ways. That's the thing about living. You never really know how you'll feel until you get there. But I think automatically jumping to the conclusion that Max is the dumper is a tad hasty.
I wouldn’t call it clever marketing as like you said; a lot of us feel as if our choice has been invalidated & them being so secretive about Chloe is actually a red flag. I for one have decided to distance myself from the series until the game comes out & we know for sure. If they’ve really broken them up; that invalidates our choice either way, turning Bay vs. Bae into just Bay vs. No Bay, and with Chloe being such a major character, arguably the biggest character in the Arcadia Bay story (a lot of 1 & BTS is all about/over her) it’ll just be hugely disrespectful towards that original game. Apparently 48% of people voted to sacrifice the bay…that’s nearly HALF the fanbase, disrespecting & more or less leaving those people behind would surely end the series with much lower sales. I know I wouldn’t stick around knowing my choices potentially don’t matter in sequels. Maybe it would’ve been better to just leave Max & Chloe behind & continue with new characters…
You literally spoke my mind. Breaking up Max and Chloe is clearly disrespectful to Bae ending.. If that's what they're going with, they just lied to our faces.
Am I the only one who immediately thought that Chloe is definitely dead in the main timeline, but that the alternate realities in this open the possibility of Max stumbling across one where she survived? I’m hoping it means she has to try to reconcile the timelines to bring both Chloe and Saffi back to life, but that probably means she will have to choose between the two. Maybe in this reality Max doesn’t exist and Chloe doesn’t even recognise her, or Max and Chloe are together and she has to decide whether to intervene for her own benefit or let them live happily together. If they don’t go this route I’ll be disappointed now
It looks like Deck9 killed “Bay vs BAE” with “Bay vs no Bay,” and I hate it. Deck9 killed PriceField and why is the real murder mystery. Deck9 has dragged Max into a hipster dating sim. 😢
Let’s face it. True Colors is a dating sim. The main point of TC is hooking up with Ryan or Steph. The story is nonsense. It looks like that’s what Deck9 knows and wants the LiS brand to be, and they’re gonna lose a lot of fans, and hopefully sales, regardless at this point. I certainly want no part of this game. Deck9 did a AAA all over Max and PriceField with its weird rebranding and predatory pricing. Also, I really need to calm down about this, but there are so many noses that need punching at Deck9 and Square right now. I volunteer to be the magical tornado storm of vengeance. 😂
Bro this is the best they could do they couldn’t have a full game with Chloe because that would alienate half the playerbase who sacrificed her. They don’t wanna piss off either side of the playerbase who picked either option which unfortunately means Chloe cant play a big part in the game although I bet she’ll still appear physically if you kept her alive. Plus the game takes place 10 years later anyways, so its reasonable to believe that her and Chloe aren’t still just hangin out all the time even if she is alive because they are 28 and 29 years old and people have to move on with their lives and jobs.
@@jamescrain4452 "Max.. i'll always be with you" - "Forever". This is one of the two most important parts of this finale. The message is that they are going to always be together - as the best friends or a couple. To show that they are not together in this ending is to disrespect Bae. I don't know how much new developers must not understand the original story in order to write such a thing. And it's especially lazy to break them up off-screen just to make Bae Max's story fit Bay Max. So the only people they'll alienate with this move are Bae and Chloe fans (as well as Pricefield) You don't do a story with characters who chose each other over the whole town and then say, "Well, they grew up and broke up with each other." Even Dontnod understood this and established that the girls live together after the storm and do not look back. They showed the same thing in their sequel. The only ending where the girls shouldn't be together is the ending where Chloe is dead
@@jamescrain4452 Respect for moving on. That’s a real life pro tip, but this isn’t real life. Your kind of thinking would probably get you a job at Deck9 though. 😂.
Do you think that it’s possible that Ashly Burch could return as the voice of Chloe? There was a sequence in the gameplay reveal whereas you heard someone say “MAX”.
Rhianna Devries (Chloe’s VA in Before the Storm) has an upcoming credit for a motion capture + voice performance for a video game character, so people are speculating she’ll be voicing Chloe
@@CucuOnGames I hope she’ll be as good to voicing Chloe, specifically by this point since she’s an adult. I hope there’s a change in the tone to her voice.
This would be like the end decision of Tell Tales: The Walking Dead season 2 transferring to Season three, where you may as well have just not made it the big choice for what happened...
Yeah, they're playing their cards right and stringing everybody along really well. They stressed that they wanted to respect both endings so I'm sure she's got something to do with the game if you chose to save her. Despite my reservations on the game, I'm st interested in how they'll handle this.
She better be in this damn game at least once I didn’t destroy an entire fucking town just for this to happen. I also didn’t stay up all night one day in fourth grade on a school night to beat the original just for nothing. Also, I wouldn’t be too upset if they gave Chloe a mass effect two type role in the game, for example if you romance Ashley Williams in mass effect 1 you only see her once in 2 and you have to choice to stay loyal to her or move on now that would be a good choice
I was literally just talking about the polaroid vs print thing with a friend. Though, they made a good point. In the extended preview, they said the conversation with Safi is their way around a LiS1 save file import. So it's the same conversation across the board. When she asks about the girl with the blue hair, that's our moment to decide what happened in LiS1. So unless that question comes *after* a discussion about Arcadia Bay's destruction, it's probably the only choice we're going to get regarding their current relationship.
Which I hate. I'm reaching for any amount of copium I can, and maybe it's just me being pessimistic, but I feel like their way of 'respecting' both paths is that Chloe will just be mentioned being alive if you chose Bae over Bay and vice versa. Given that Max has romance options in this game, if you're a Bae-er, I can't see any other way forward other than them having broken up before the start of the game. Especially when you take into account the 'alone' comment, which is likely not contingent on Bay OR Bae but is just a non-choice-influenced dialogue option.
I think this kind of thing is bound to happen as soon as you decide to do a sequel to the first Life is Strange: in order to make the plot work with both endings of the first game, Chloe's role must take a backseat, because the sequel has to work without her. In that case, it's better for her to be offscreen even for those who decided to save her. If she was physically present but did nothing significant, it would be lame, imo. Part of me wishes Decknine would have used the "multiple timelines solution" instead (you know: starting the game with Bay Max, and then have her visit the timeline where Chloe is alive). It would allow for Chloe to have a major role in the plot, whether you sacrificed her or not, and it would also allow for the Maxines in both timelines to have very different lives. Because let's face it: it's hard to believe that the choice at the end of Life is Strange 1 had so little impact in the life of Max Caulfield that no matter what she chooses she ends up ten years later in the same city, with the same people, wearing the same clothes, and with the same job X)
Perhaps they’ll do something similar like what Telltale did in the Back to the Future game where Michael J Fox made his appearance in the last episode. Plus, it wouldn’t surprise me if fans have been reaching out to Ashly Burch to see if she’ll say anything about being in the game. Let’s go with the no news is good news mind set here.
From what it seems like Rihanna (Chloe’s bts VA) is apparently doing voiceover and motion capture for an unannounced game, which could be this. It’s been so long to really know if Ashly would even be open to voicing Chloe anymore.
@@crowquet56 True, and tbf I don’t expect her to comeback for this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got Rihanna as a replacement. Especially if you’re gonna be potentially voicing an adult Chloe, since she’d be 30 at this point.
My theory is that we are going to play with a lot of different timelines, and maybey Max is living in one where Chloe isn´t there anymore, but in other she is, and that is going o be a heavy plot point
I think the devs not picking a proper canon ending to LiS1 is going to come back around and bite them because we don't know if any fan favorites will be able to return. And never mind the elephant that is Chloe. If Chloe is alive then that means Kate, Victoria and even Nathan and Joyce are dead. And if Chloe is dead...shippers won't be happy.
What if even the two timelines Max shifts from and towards are somehow still connected to that LiS1 ending? The Max that we started playing in this game is the one that saved Arcadia Bay. But when she began shifting through timelines, she not only got a glimpse of what it would be like if Safi didn't die, but it's also a world where Max saves Chloe. Or the inverse.
I hope you are right because in the dozens of times I replayed LiS I never picked the ending without Chloe because it just went against every fibre of my being, this is the only game which I've replayed multiple times without at least loading and checking out the other endings out of curiousity, I just couldn't do it. To start up a sequel where Chloe isn't present in any way would feel so awful I'd much rather they just made this exact game with a different protagonist - the powers are different enough anyway! It is not LiS without Max *and* Chloe. Your video got me thinking though about how games typically only have 1 or 2 romance exclusive scenes, most of the build up are typically through dialogue options in dialogues that are present whether you pursue the romance or not. With the addition of the text-message system in LiS it wouldn't be costly to implement Chloe without her actually being around during most of the story, they'd just need to create an additional romance scene and have Chloe visit you during the time where other romance scenes would have occured, maybe let her stay in your home with some basic dialogue if you interact with her. That way the only thing you only lose out on by staying faithful to Chloe is one romance scene in exchange for another - which should be the case with or without Chloe in the mix.
I personally think they are keeping Chloe from the trailers to hype up her appearance more Episode 1 is probably the tutorial episode and it ends with Safi's murder. Episode 2 is exploring the alternate reality Then, since Episode 2 is the last of the early access period, they probably want to hype up the full release more. I think it will end with Max phone calling a certain someone, kinda like this: Max: "I know i swore to never use my powers again... but i need your help. you're the only one i can trust... are you in?" "I'm hella in." *TO BE CONTINUED ON OCTOBER 29TH.* so yeah that's my theory.
If this actually happens then my whole hesitation to buy this game may flip just like that. I NEED to see Max and Chloe together in an episode or two again.
I don't know if you saw it or someone pointed it out to you (I saw no one mention it), but when Safi asks about "the blue-haired girl," there is a little blue moon in the center of our choices, that would indicate in which universe we are. Since it's the past tense, in this universe, we probably have sacrificed Chloe, and if we were to have that discussion again, but in the parallel universe, we would have sacrificed Arcadia Bay. It depends on which picture Max looks at and whether it's a Polaroid or not! Anyway, it's just my thought!
Maybe this game will take both the first game’s timeline while also using the comic book timeline, where maybe they are still on good terms and Chloe convinced Max to put her art out for the world to see
What if… at the start of the game the game asks you if you sacrificed arcadia bay or not like LIS2 and the only footage they have shown us is from when you choose bay over bae.
Knowing that it's a new power to travel between realities, all Max has to do is find a reality where Arcadia isn't destroyed AND Chloe's alive, right? In the other reality things might be different.
I think it makes sense, considering that Chloe never liked having choices made for her, and max choosing to save her instead of the bay probably made her feel trapped in the relationship.
Nope. She made her choice too in Bae. Dontnod wrote Chloe the way that she's the one who let Max to sacrifice the town even knowing her mom will die in the process. That's how her speech ends: "Max, you finally came back to me this week, and... you did nothing but show me your love and friendship. You made me smile and laugh, like I haven't done in years. Wherever I end up after this... in whatever reality... all those moments between us were real, and they'll always be ours. No matter what you choose, I know you'll make the right decision." - "Chloe... I can't make this choice..." - "No, Max... You're the only one who can." And instead of being angry or blaming her, she acts completely supportive of Max throughout the Bae sequence. Basically she picks Max over the town and her mother. And then Dontnod showed that they are together after 4 years, and the death of Chloe's mother didn't separate them (On the contrary Chloe's death separated Joyce and David in Bay.). There is a reason why it is shown that these two couples faced trauma and ended up on different paths, one is still together and the other broke up.
How do you manage to make all these points so engaging, Cucu? Anyway this game appears to have a vibrant existence in another universe, giving the impression of being truly alive.
That's my biggest hope, too. Hopefully, the options for Max and Chloe's relationship change to present tense if the player chose the 'saved Chloe' ending. That way, Bay or Bae, fans can choose if they're friends or more. I just feel like having no present tense relationship options (romantic or otherwise) for a living Chloe arc wouldn't respect that ending to the first game.
okey but that small detail with photos..ITS ..i mean ,it definetly make sence. The thought of them going long distant makes sence and also, totally agree with " This game should be focused on new story and new stroline" . This video got rid of my overthinking and that thought of chloe appearing at the end of the game( for example picking up Max from semwhere or suprising her that she came back) is..literraly really sweet and i would be definetly happy with that :) this video is so perfectly made that im actully really looking forward fro buying this game...HOPE there wont be suprised emotional damaged what happend to chloe....hahah please no, still recovering from LIS bts. overall , thanks for this video ITS PERFECT...and cute
No? "Max.. i'll always be with you" - "Forever". This is one of the two most important parts of this finale. The message is that they are going to always be together - as the best friends or a couple. To show that they are not together in this ending is to disrespect Bae. I don't know how much new developers must not understand the original story in order to write such a thing. And it's especially lazy to break them up off-screen just to make Bae Max's story fit Bay Max. So the only people they'll alienate with this move are Bae and Chloe fans (as well as Pricefield) You don't do a story with characters who chose each other over the whole town and then say, "Well, they grew up and broke up with each other." Even Dontnod understood this and established that the girls live together after the storm and do not look back. They showed the same thing in their sequel. The only ending where the girls shouldn't be together is the ending where Chloe is dead
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 bro, In the bae ending you can also choose to stay as friends, keep in mind that basically there are 3 endings and that David in lis3 calls them that too, they can be good friends that live far away from each other but still keep contact, that's a thing too. I said it makes so much sense cuz the trauma they experienced, you can't deny that they have resentments that they never talked about and they only met the new version of them for only 1 week that is not enough to build a relationship, Chloe is grieving for Rachel n found her body, depression and is self-destructive. Max relived her trauma 4+ times, she mainly has trauma the size of the entire planet, neither of them knows how to talk about their problems in their diaries they say so, denying all the problems that the game itself shows you to later show them happy without any problem is not respecting the characters they built in 5 episodes (more with Chloe) and also the problems that Chloe had in her relationship with Rachel was beginning to show up in her relationship with max I didn't like that. I personally think that Chloe was better with Rachel because their energies were the same, with Max that doesn't happen romantically, that's why I'm happy that Max has another love interest and now the two girls who appear in this next game seem like good people :D but that's just my opinion.
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 that's your opinion, mine is that they had so much trauma that a romantic relationship would not work for all the resentments that they never talked about among themselves but in their diaries, having the two be romantically related beyond 3 years would be very idealistic when the game itself shows us the problems the relationship would have and also when David mention them he mentioned them as friends. One can continue to be friends and close without being physically next to the person, eventually people want to achieve their own dreams, Chloe may be studying in one city and max wants to achieve a new high in her career in other city and they would still be close. As a person that choose the chloe ending I saved Chloe so that Max would have someone to talk to about her trauma I don't see her as a good romantic partner. For me, they are two different characters that don't need each other to stand out, so it doesn't bother me that they aren't together because my ultimate goal was for Chloe to be alive and serve as a support for max even if they aren't together physically, that's my opinion and reasoning :D (I didn't do Chloe or Warren's romance because I didn't like them as a romance partner for Max) I'm waiting for Safi to have a romantic route because she and Max are cute together lol
@@Wot7439 Even if you claim they're best friends, they're still together. Literally. Dontnod described them as "living together and not looking back" after storm. And Dontnod also said that a romantic path is a legitimate option after the storm. The common theme is that the girls are together literally and forever. (They explicitly stated that too). And moving forward. Also, Dontnod was explicitly told "you're making this choice to keep important relationship." What's the resentments against each other? Over the course of this week, they've dealt with it and moved fordward, and Chloe forgive Max for what she did. If you're talking about the final decision, both girls chose each other and united in their decision. Dontnod wrote Chloe the way that she's the one who let Max to sacrifice the town even knowing her mom will die in the process. That's how her speech ends: "Max, you finally came back to me this week, and... you did nothing but show me your love and friendship. You made me smile and laugh, like I haven't done in years. Wherever I end up after this... in whatever reality... all those moments between us were real, and they'll always be ours. No matter what you choose, I know you'll make the right decision." - "Chloe... I can't make this choice..." - "No, Max... You're the only one who can." And instead of being angry or blaming her, she acts completely supportive of Max throughout the Bae sequence. Basically she picks Max over the town and her mother. And then Dontnod showed that they are together after 4 years, and the death of Chloe's mother didn't separate them (On the contrary Chloe's death separated Joyce and David in Bay.). There is a reason why it is shown that these two couples faced trauma and ended up on different paths, one is still together and the other broke up. I'm not saying that Chloe doesn't love her mother, or that she won't miss her, or that she won't feel guilty for her death, but Dontnod wrote Chloe the way that she made her choice and that her choice is Max. She's not backing down from that. At least in their games. It would be so wrong if Decknine threw out that aspect and said, "Well, Chloe started blaming Max." And then there's the narrative point of view. There are two important part in Sacrifice Arcadia Bay - the fact that we save Chloe at the cost of the town, and the fact that the girls promise each other to always be together at the most important moment of their lives - the moment when they chose each other over an entire town. Dontnod wrote that promise to be serious, and they didn't break that promise in the next game. By the way, there are two parts in "Sacrificing Chloe" too - the fact that Max sacrifices Chloe and the fact that she promises that she will never forget her. A new storm or Max forgetting Chloe would devalue that ending too. Would you be happy about that?
There's information spreading all over Twitter and Reddit from an ex-DeckNine employee. They stated that Square Enix does not like Chloe and that they wanted her out of the picture, and how Square Enix also had beef with Ashly Burch. They also mentioned that there are probably no longer any more DeckNine higher-ups that care about the franchise. So this video was likely spot-on about them not caring. It's all chaos.
I feel like saving Chloe was always a “we’re ending the story so let’s let them be happy if they want to” ending. It really hurts their ability to make a sequel unless that sequel has max exploring both possibilities. I think either the two timelines will do that or it will just be a “Chloe is dead” v “Chloe is in another city” scenario. You have to remember the relationship was never canon anyway, they were friends for all of us but the romance was a choice made by the player. I always played Max as if she were straight. There’s so many different choices in LIS that a sequel simply can’t take every single one into account and I think it’s probably just going to avoid going into detail of most of them and lean into the new adventure more.
I really hope we have the option to say we are currenty dating Chloe. We could still form close platonic connections with the love interst(s) throughout the game. Like you said, it could even make the replay value go up. If the bay timeline has "just friends" and "highschool sweethearts", and the bae one has the same ones plus "we are a couple", that would only make 1/5 options lock you out of new romance. If a person decides to say Max isn't single, I don't think they want the option to romance anyone else, so they won't be mad at the loss of opportunity.
heres the thing, romance is a big theme in LiS games. True colors had two love interests with one leading towards the other. I just struggle to see how could they achieve this if Chloe is alive and your still with her.
Not even close lmao. That title belongs to the second game which can be argued that it's the most different out of the bunch. Chole not getting major attention stings, but it's time to move on....
I dont understand why its such a big thing that there is the possibility of them both not being together anymore. I mean lets be real here life is not always perfect, they could have parted ways at some point rather naturally for whatever reasons. So far as I know it has been 10 years ingame so there is a lot of room for things to change...
But this isn't real life, it's a game. A game where you can keep characters together forever. Plus there's promise. "Max.. i'll always be with you" - "Forever". This is one of the two most important parts of this finale. The message is that they are going to always be together - as the best friends or a couple. To show that they are not together in this ending is to disrespect Bae. I don't know how much new developers must not understand the original story in order to write such a thing. And it's especially lazy to break them up off-screen just to make Bae Max's story fit Bay Max. You don't do a story with characters who chose each other over the whole town and then say, "Well, they grew up and broke up with each other." Even Dontnod understood this and established that the girls live together after the storm and do not look back. They showed the same thing in their sequel. The only ending where the girls shouldn't be together is the ending where Chloe is dead. Imagine if the storm had hit Arcadia Bay in the other ending anyway?
I’m going with ocums razor on this. They most likely have to break up in order to respect both ends to LiS 1. I think by making a max sequel in the first place is writing yourself into a corner cause you can’t truley respect both sides
Hi there, First of all, let me preface this by saying that I'm a creative writer and a narrative designer with a few shipped products under my belt, and Life is Strange was THE game that gave me the push I needed to pursue this career. So I'm eternally grateful to that game. So, to me and based fully on narrative, there's only one correct choice at the end of LiS. Everyone of course can have their preferred one, and that's how it should be. It's your story after all. But, taking into account that Deck Nine says they respect both endings, writing this sequel is going to be a tad tricky. But it's still better than just canonizing one ending and pissing off half of the fanbase (last time I replayed LiS, the ending choice was something like 49% vs 51%). That said, there's this saying in narrative, especially with interactive stories: "If a character can die, consider them dead in the sequel". While a tad contrived, it essentially means that giving the experiencer (player, reader, etc) the possibility to impact on any character's fate, it would be easier to consider them not present in the sequel. And this is why Bioware struggles with their Dragon Age and Mass Effect series. That saying also takes into consideration the new experiencer, who has no prior knowledge of what happened in prior installments, and then doesn't feel alienated because of that. But, it also affects long-time fans, since they might expect the character to return. So how is this done in games? Four possibilities: Never mention the character (not good, especially not for long-time fans), mention character and explain why they're not around (not good, can feel a bit cheat-y towards fans), have the character be present, if applicable (best, but it requires much more effort, resources and time. Extremely heavy on development), or have the character make a cameo with explanation why they're not actively present, if applicable (the most common way, which is usually enough to appease everyone, if one well). My guess is that Chloe, if alive, will make some sort of cameo here, and it's explained during the game why she's not around actively. Texts, phone calls, short cameo, is what I think will happen. But with Chloe, there's one more thing to consider. It's very heavily implied that Max and Chloe have romantical feelings towards one another in LiS, but not every player wants that. LiS 2, apparently (I have not played that game), mentions Max & Chloe living together (if that ending was chosen), a clever way to handwaive that problem, since living together can mean either way. I am curious to see what Deck Nine will do with this. The most obvious way is to give the player the option to choose the nature of said relationship, and reflect that in dialogue. But, I am sure Chloe Price will show up in Double Exposure, if she's currently alive. Deck Nine would not take the risk to anger such a large portion of the fanbase (I have seen the passion of LiS fans, there would be rage), if they can help it. There is a way to respect both the endings and the fans, but it would require clever writing. Is Deck Nine up for the task? LiS is such a beloved game, so hopefully they'll do their best.
Not sure about this game, i really liked how Claudia Leonardi, Emma Vieceli, and Andrea Izzo followed the plot of the first game, both endings, in their comics and I'm cautious about getting this game if the plot does not aligns with them.
• I'm curious about the potential differences between the Bae Vs Bay timelines and how expansive and branching the game's writing will actually be - depending on how LiS1 ended, Max will be living with a very different shade of trauma that will have shaped her in a different way and her outlook on the Safi reality shifting Schroedinger's cat murder mystery would realistically be very different and bring different variants of emotions to the surface depending on whether she chose Bae or Bay. So I'm curious if and how that will impact her thoughts/actions/speech in response to events that will be identical across both Bae/Bay DE timelines. • How much will Chloe feature in both timelines? Will the Safi dead/alive realities also allow peaks at the LiS1 ending you didn't pick? • I'm really curious about the Bae version of the game because so far DE makes more sense to me as a follow-up to the Bay ending: it's easier to sympathise with Max over Safi's death despite not being initially attached to Safi as a character because of what she represents - her friendship filled (to an extent) the void left by Chloe's death, so now in a way it must feel like Max is losing Chloe all over again! It makes sense why some form of her power would reactivate. Her attempt to save Safi might in a way feel like a second attempt at saving Chloe. •When I view what has been shown so far through a Bae ending lens the stakes just come across as lower and harder to empathise with: Max sacrificed an entire community to save Chloe (although now possibly estranged), now she's going to do it all again - minus sacrificing a community - to save a woman she never had as close of a relationship with? The reactivation of Max's powers and her connection to Safi make less thematic sense in this timeline. Idk that's just how it comes across to me atm. Thank you to anybody who read this!
I think we're forgetting an easy answer. Chloe might have died either way like from a disease shortly after sacrifice Bay. This both honors the OG ending(they never said what happens after each ending) and makes sense of why Max would start anew without Chloe. If Chloe really lived in one of the in-game scenarios, then like you said it would require two drastically different explanations of Max's after story and persona, and I don't think they can pull this off in a way that is both simple for game development and convincing plotwise. But Chloe's predetermined death actually solves everything. Surely Max's would be traumatized a bit differently but not as drastic as breaking up. In-game story might come down to how Max wants to restart, like try to forget her entirely(just a friend) or keep her close to heart(highschool sweetheart), thus alleviating story branching burden. But I believe this is good news and we are going to see her later in the late when it comes to the more paranormal part.
@@Zcinderone Killing Chloe in Bae is the complete opposite of respecting that ending. It's completely disrespectful to Bae ending. . It completely devalues that choice. Imagine if tomorrow's storm still hit Arcadia Bay in a different ending, or if Max regretted her decision and saved Chloe. It would have been the same devaluing of our choices. So I hope Chloe just went to David for a while, but she'll be back at an important moment for the plot (we know Rihanna is doing motion capture for an unannounced project. She's only played Chloe this way before) and hopefully we'll be able to communicate with Chloe via texts and calls before then.
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 If so Chloe could only feature a very small cameo since in one route she is dead and the game couldn't create two different main stories for that. I doubt they would bring her back just for a cameo let alone in just one route. If she is back then it means they will utilize this niche point and I don't see them going this far just to dabble with it.
@@Zcinderone From the looks of it, they're definitely bringing her back. We know that Rihanna is involved in motion capture (she used to only play Chloe that way) and voice acting for a new unannounced game. And the leak, which turned out to be 99% true, claimed that Chloe could appear if we chose Bae
@@Zcinderone imo, in order for the two versions of DE to feel balanced Chloe needs to be dead/bay intact in one and alive/bay destroyed in the other. I'm all for spin-offs exploring Chloe dying somehow after Bae ending and Arcadia Bay being wiped out somehow after Bay ending, but unless DE is exploring both (that would be insane and I'd actually love it if by some chance that's what they intend to do) it's best for those timelines to be standalone and not paired with a timeline where Chloe is alive or Bay is intact.
has anyone not questioned how max would be able to have a polaroid of chloe even though she would've never seen her again to take that picture in the sacrifice chloe ending
Wouldn't be cool to see max and chloe back in Arcadia bay were max is photographer teacher and chloe a singer That would be a good emd for them i pick max and chloe together be cool to see them as a cupple in the end
If pricefield broke up I’m literally never playing life is strange again It would make no sense because last we saw them they literally say “I’ll never leave you” Then it’s just “HAHAHA JK LOSERS LOVE IS DEAD GET FUCKED” Like I better hear fucking wedding bells or so help me god Besides the tech to make it with Chloe vs without Chloe exists it’s not impossible Just look at the whole Kaiden alenko vs Ashley Williams thing in mass effect
we are going to 2 time lines right? what if the first time line arcadian bay is destroyed and time line 2 we will meet chloe later in the story as a suprise
I like to think that Square Enix & Deck Nine are probably promoting LIS 4 in a similar fashion to Spiderman NWH. Fingers crossed that your theories about Chloe in the upcoming game are true 🤞
The truth is that I think it's for the best that, unless they plan to have a full choice pull-over from your previous save files, they just leave the past as ambiguous as possible. The final choice of LiS was already controversial enough with how it kinda invalidates everything you've gone through up until then no matter which one you pick. It also didn't help that one ending CLEARLY had a lot more work put into it than the other. By forcing one or the other to be canon, you're only alienating people even further. Though the fact that they're letting the player define the relationship they had with Chloe tells me that they might be leaning into this a bit more. If you didn't want to romance her, option A. If you did, option B. Also, let's be honest, Chloe was a pretty divisive character. A lot of people LOVE her, and a lot of people HATE her. You canonize her survival, her relationship status with Max, or her death, and SOMEONE is getting the short end of the stick.
There is a possibility that square enix and deck is keeping chloe as a secret. I mean if we knew chloe is in game by showing it in trailer than we guys won't even be making and talking about this type of videos and yeah...the hype for game would be lessen. Though, they hinted few details about chloe, where it was dark and chloe called max, and max having her photo and recalling her past moments with her. Lets wait for oct.15 to find out more.
It could be that they are not picking an ending from Life is Strange so the writers just decided to keep any mention of the first game to a bare minimum so they don’t make either ending canon.
They'll put Chloe in a dlc like they did with steph. Theyll mention her off doing something else for the majority of the game and then she'll get a dlc. Still curious what theyll do for the bay ending though Maybe have max go back to the bay Maybe thats what itll be for the dlc no matter what and Chloe will be there in one and the people who died would be there in the other.
I completely agree that the footage from the livestream and those past-tense questions are from the Sacrifice Chloe choice. It's not uncommon for companies to do this type of marketing strategy. My personal opinion: They are keeping info about Chloe hidden on purpose, because she probably does have a role to play if players chose to keep her alive. Going back to school and being in that type of setting doesn't appear to be something Chloe would vibe with..( given her bad school track record, she got expelled from Blackwell after all 🤣). Most likely she encouraged Max to chase her dream in photography further, hence why she has been a photographer in residence for last six months. Chloe has her own dreams no doubt, so she is probably doing her thing elsewhere. She and Max are no doubt still together, just not physically with each other right now. But they would definitely keep in contact via texts and phone calls etc. I don't think Deck Nine and Square Enix would be stupid enough to spilt them up in between the original and Double Exposure...that would anger a lot of fans, and the new game wouldn't do very well. 😶 I think they are keeping Chloe's involvement hidden on purpose, because they know how loved her character is by so many of the fans. I think things will be fine somehow! And new romance options doesn't actually mean Max HAS to romance them...😂 that's up to the player after all! But I think it will be fine and Chloe is still in Max's life, how could she not be? :)
And here I am trying to go into the new game blind and you go and post a new rumor vid? What happened to you posting once every 2 months huh? J/k 😂 Watching now!
While even at the time of saving Chloe and leaving Arcadia Bay together I felt like there would be enough survivor guilt going around between those two to potentially destroy any relationship, doing that off-screen to make the writing easier would be a major let-down.
Although Dontnod disagreed and showed that even after 4 years no guilt separated Max and Chloe (unlike the adults Joyce and David in the other ending). But yes breaking up Max and Chloe off-screen is a terrible way to explain Chloe's absence.
They better do a great integration of Chloe for us that saved her, yes to phone calls and texts and pictures and lots of Max gushing about her girl, because i didn't destroy Arcadia Bay for these two to breakup or just not be a properly established and well developed couple, especially because Max's story was about her relationship with Chloe, chloe is the second most important character of og lis and I need her back.
yeah exactly!
100% agree, I can't remember who said this but Double Exposure can't just bring Max back for the sake of it, it has to truly do the game justice.
I mean, I love Chloe and Max as much as the next person, but that's how things go sometimes. Whether they are friends or more, people, no matter how close they may've been, sometimes grow apart. People break up. Chloe isn't exactly the most secure person in the world. It may have been her choice. Perhaps what happened at the Bay weighed too much on their relationship. Maybe they felt different once they moved away or got older. Who knows? They were just kids, really.
I don't think that choice is presented to you to imply, "Oh yeah, these too will definitely be together forever." The only thing saving Chloe was meant to achieve was giving her a second chance. We may want to things to end neatly like that but that's the thing about Life is Strange that makes it so poignant. That's just not the way things work. You save the Bay and say goodbye to your best friend or you save your best friend and kill an entire population of people. Either way, you have to live with that choice. Everything else is left up to speculation. And it may seem unfair given what is sacrificed. But, um, well... Life Is Strange...
@@DoriDoesVoices I mean absolutely you have the choice to save or not Chloe and being romantically involved with her or not and with what we saw I think you'll have the choice to adjust that to your specificity, I saved her and while being in love with her, the narrative doesn't have any obligation of being realistic about the weight of the choice that was made so they can be together forever after it.
Have you read the comics?? Save Chloe live life get separated in different realities spend years trying to get back together and then live the rest of their lives gay married?? All I expect is a choice for that u know a happily ever after for their relationship 🤷
@@DoriDoesVoicesThey were best friends for their entire lives and Max literally went through time and so much pain and struggle to be with Chloe. It is insane that they would break up cuz they "grew apart". However they could be temporary apart for other reasons like trauma. That would make sense, anything else is just silly.
I mean it should't be such a shocking revelation that who you love at 18 might not be in your life at all by your late 20's. The fact that Max still keeps a picture of Chloe in her wallet and how she looked at the picture obviously shows that she still loves Chloe. So there's obviously more to the story.
i can't imagine Max not loving Chloe
Hmmm, how convenient for Deck Nine lol
I feel like the "That's how things work out sometimes" excuse goes out the window when you went through hell and sacrificed a city for them, there's just no way they'd simply grow apart after that. Or at least it shouldn't in any story.
@@setsumikokonoe4814 right ?? they are quite literally bonded for life because of their shared experiences. nobody in the whole world 'except for david) will understands what it felt like to lose your whole home town. and actually nobody knows what they went through in that week of lis1. i dont think its possible to let go and just grown apart after that.
That pic was obviously from thte Bay ending
I'd expect a different picture and dialogue in the Bae ending
If anyone has read the comics, it isn’t too far fetched for Chloe to be both alive and dead especially when Max seems to be developing the same kind of power from the comics in Double Exposure. I know the comics aren’t considered cannon but, if they have implemented the same power, it wouldn’t be impossible for DeckNine to find a way to implement both endings using the comics as inspiration
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Those comics were dumb
Knowing that it's a new power to travel between realities, all Max has to do is find a reality where Arcadia isn't destroyed AND Chloe's alive, right?
In the other reality things might be different.
The facts that max has been at the uni for 6 months already (way too long for chloe to just be on a roadtrip somewhere), that she now calls safi her best friend and that there are new romance options in the game worry me, but there are still some things that give me hope that they didnt just break them up off screen. As he pointed out, the pictures max holds are different (likely depending on which ending you chose), and a couple years ago there were leaks (which were now proven true) that say chloe is in the game and will make an appearance. Man october cant come soon enough
She’s not in school. She works at the school. She’s been done with college.
@@Theblackout292 I know, why does that matter though? Doesnt matter if shes a teacher or a student, she has still been there for 6 months, which worries me because its way too long for chloe to just be away somwhere
off screen divorce lmao
what leakssssss pls tell me
2 timelines one where she lived and died, double exposure, max dips between the timelines
The developers did say that they respect both choices. They said the bae or bay decision was not canon. My theory was the timeline where Safi asked Max was the timeline where Chloe was sacrificed, and when Max stepped into an alternate universe, Chloe was still alive and well.
Chloe,Warren and Kate is who I care about, When I did the Warren playthrough I still chose Chloe in the end, too much history with her to let her die. It made the kiss between Max and Warren more heartbreaking, It was kind of like Max saying Warren I like you too,but maybe in another lifetime,I can't leave Chloe. Goodbye kiss. Kate though is the only reason I hesitated on saving Chloe, I needed to know she was safe. I convinced myself she was not at ground zero but still at the hospital waiting for her parents.
kate's parents said something about coming to pick her up on Friday morning! i'd like to hope she was fine in the hospital
Or maybe she is liking Warren but Chloe is just kiss for the plot. This is the issue with that. Live interest. What about the rest? What about you? Isnt it just egoistic which you prefer to be your love interest? Maybe life is about it...
yeah im fairly certain the devs confirmed that Kate was outside of Arcadia Bay when the storm hits
@@harrymg8458 good,because saving Kate was a powerful moment, If she died at ground zero of the Twister would mean saving Kate was pointless. It is too bad about Warren,but even on a Max straight playthrough,she just can't let Chloe die. When I played Max as Bi & 100% Girls only decide to save Chloe only for a slightly more intimate reason.
@@ArcaneMelodies82 yeah like with bay you dont have the guarantee it will go how it did in the playthrough, like max might fail to talk down kate this time around
In LIS2 if you choose the sacrifice Arcadia bay ending from LIS1 you can meet Chloe’s stepdad in a hippie caravan and it seems that him and Chloe have improved there relationship maybe Chloe is left to go see him
i would love to see chloe talking about her relationship with david, now that she lost her mother too!
same and thats why i enjoyed the first and second game but all the decknine stuff just been trying to capture the feeling of the first game
He's there regardless of what ending you chose
Regarding the dialog choices on choosing Chloe as a highschool sweetheart or friend, the previous question Safi probably asked was why Max left the bay and was being secretive leading to you saying either ‘I left due a storm striking my town’ or ‘I left due to the passing of my friend’ leading to Safi questioning if Chloe is the friend that ‘passed’ if you chose the ladder option
yep! totally agree
Maybe this is the timeline where Chloe died
hopefully i hated her
No not at all, Chloe still alive in this timeline. If Chloe died in the bathroom, it means the teenage Max and Chloe did not meet each other at all. Also, if Chloe die, Max could not take the photo of Chloe as shown in the trailer.
@@tatthanh8980just because they didn’t meet in the timeline max lives in, it doesn’t mean she forgot about her. She experienced several timelines where she and Chloe were closer than they had ever been, and that doesn’t make those memories any less real to her, even if they didn’t happen in the timeline she’s living in. Also, she could’ve gotten that photo from Joyce or something. Maybe she found it in her room. Max attended Chloe’s funeral & im pretty sure you can see her talking to Joyce and David, so it’s not crazy to assume they kept in touch after her death, and let her take some pictures and stuff for sentimental reasons.
We actually see that at the end of the game when Chloe dies When reality changes we see events change we see Nathan and Jefferson being arrested and we see max comforting Joyce and David,Joyce giving Chloe's stuff to Max and Max looking at dozens of photos of Chloe
@@tatthanh8980Max Still has the memories of the week she spent alongside Chloe and Joyce saw Max again after Chloe's death she gave her things and photos of Chloe
My opinion: The two endings are competely different. If you as game developer want to respect the decision of both player bases (including fanservice), you should develop two completely different games. The costs would be insane and 50% of the game would be never seen by the player base who decided for a different ending. Solution: keep the differences at minimum => 1) choose a different location for your game (check), 2) choose different characters for your game (check?) IMO the characters and places from LIS1 will only be briefly mentioned. Some dialogue options, photos, maybe 1-2 scenes at most (like the hospital scene in Episode 4 LIS 1 when you saved Kate). And 95% of Double Exposure will work irrespective of your LIS1 decision. This means sadly that Chloe MUST have a minor role in the game (if any) even if you decided for saving her.
this. thank you.
Then don't make Max a main character. Easy.
If Chloe isn’t in life is strange exposure then it isn’t life is strange anymore
How did the point of life is strange go so far over your head?
@@moonmoon2479 Blinded simp Players for Chloe are too selfish to logically think shit through in the grand scheme of things. It would make no damn sense to save Chloe, and sacrifice a whole damn town for her. That would completely go against Max character. She isn't selfish, nor blinded by the tasked set before her in the first game to set things right. Chloe was a necessary sacrifice, that should have never needed to happen in the first place. By Max saving her she literally caused chaos to rain down on the town.
You explore two universes. My bet is that it starts with the universe where Chloe died and you can go to a universe where Chloe lived, the butterfly effect is that choosing Chloe to die led to Maxs new friend dying, choosing Chloe to live let’s maxs friend live. Going between the two universes allows you to see Chloe again whilst being able to structure the game in a way where Chloe is in it with out having to compete with the players that chose her to die. It allows all players choices to be validated whilst giving die hard fans another adventure with Chloe and max.
That's what I was thinking 😶
I doubt it but it's honestly a really sick idea
I thought the plot of the game is that Max tries to investigate the murder to prevent it in the other timeline. So if she just lives in Chloes timeline that kinda would mess with that, wouldn't it? She still has to be in danger so that the investigation is relevant, unless I missed something or got it wrong (which might be the case, I only watched the trailer). But it's a nice theory
I think that two ending will be choosing which reality/universe you choos to be in the end
Hello! :)
Thank you for making this video! I’ve seen plenty of speculations regarding Chloe’s role in the game, but I’m pretty confident that she’ll appear in it - but because she won’t be the focus and likely appear late into the game, the developers understandably decided not to feature her in any material. :)
Too bad that likely destroys the theory of Bay and Bae being represented in the two timelines Max visits. I would’ve loved to give both parties a little bit of Chloe …
So far, I think it’s pretty clear that material from the “Sacrifice Chloe” ending was shown and that Deck Nine wouldn’t invalidate players’ choices like that. As someone who loves Chloe, but chose the Bay on my first playthrough, I would be MASSIVELY disappointed if she didn’t appear in the Bae route at least!
(However, I think it’s pretty insulting to phrase the left option when talking to Safi as “We were just friends”. It should’ve been “We were best friends” imo. “Just” doesn’t do justice for Max and Chloe’s relationship!)
When it comes to the romance options, I think a likely explanation _could_ be a break-up that determinantly can get resolved. After all, it’s very unlikely that the romance options are only for Bayers and Friend-Baers; maybe they are for (Ex-)Girlfriend-Baers too, but if you choose not to pursue them, Max and Chloe resolve their break-up and get their happy ending :) At least that’s the only way I can explain the existence of romance options and a possible break-up. (Funnily enough, I do think a break-up would be _somewhat_ realistic … but for God’s sake, DON’T DO IT AND GIVE THEM THEIR WELL-DESERVED HAPPY ENDING INSTEAD)
However, overall, I’m not too concerned. To me, it seems like Chloe’s presence is purposefully kept hidden in order to surprise players, so I’ll look forward to meeting her in my Bae save file :)
Btw, something that was mentioned on Reddit is the fact that Rhianna DeVries’ website mentions a voice over and motion capture for an unannounced video game … and while that could mean any other game, or be used for flashbacks only, it could also mean that Chloe will physically appear and speak to Max!
(I absolutely love your idea about using a montage to show Max’s and Chloe’s life after the events of DE, btw. And now I will be massively disappointed if we won’t get one XD)
Once again, thanks for making this video :)
Max is downplaying the importance of Chloe bc she doesn't wanna open up and bc it hurts so much etc.
So it kinda makes sense
@@munkayttaja6913Yep, that's still pretty much in character
Great video! So cool to see all the detective style videos from the community. I think that’s probably one of my favorite things about this games fanbase we never stop hyper analyzing even the smallest little details. Anyways great video I also really appreciate all the effort you made in the editing.
thank you so much!!
This is what happens when you do a sequel for a story that doesnt really allow for a sequel
Good and balanced take. I’m open to the idea of them breaking up but still being a big part of each other’s lives. Max and Chloe clearly have a deep connection, but realistically they’d have issues being around each other all the time. Maybe, in the Bae timeline, Max and Chloe are taking a break and, instead of romancing a new character, Max choose to go on an arc to rekindle with Chloe? I’d be happy to see that.
But that's clearly against the intent of the original developers but okay
Even though the comic books are not canon to the video games, Max & Chloe are still together in them so that sort of gives me some comfort. I really wish DeckNine and Square Enix brought back Chloe, Chloe is the whole reason I fell in love with the whole LiS series.
Ooh i wonder if Chloe is off doing a arts degree or something, we've seen she seems to like drawing (or has in the past growing up) and we all know how much she loves to spraypaint, i could definitely see her pursuing a arts degree with a little push and encouragement from Max.
I'm pretty sure either ending would have Max feeling guilty of her choice. One is that Max felt guilty for sacrificing Arcadia Bay and started to drift away from Chloe. Second is that Max started distancing herself from grief. Overall I just hope the writers handle her character and relationships well.
Is it really "clever" marketing or a mistake? Genuine question
It could be clever if they get a whole second round of hype for the game when they reveal Chloe will be in it.
But it could be a mistake if they've gotten so much backlash already that people won't buy the game or at least will wait for it to go on sale.
i think they might release a trailer inbetween the 2 weeks of ultimate edition's release, to generate hype for the final 3 episodes - in which they'll show a glimpse/teaser of Chloe
i definitely think this is purposeful atm
You gotta remember there was 2 endings in lis1 and they have said they will respect them both. If Chloe is dead then all of them make sense as does why she would have new romance options
I did not even choose the save Chloe ending but I'm gonna be mad if there isn't an option in Double Exposure to play with the save Chloe ending, I loved Chloe's character and even though I saved the town I'd still want to see how their relationaship evolved.
Hopefully they'll implement both endings, I'll play the one I choose first aka death Chloe rip and then the other one, replayability is very important in games.
I like to think Max drifted from Chloe from the trauma of her power and to keep her safe.
that's if you don't sacrifice Chloe...
It doesn't make sense, though. Max didn't choose Chloe to dump her again. She chose her to always be together because she lost her once. Remember their last words at the end? "Max...I'll always be with you" - "Forever." And they did stay together even after 4 years as shown by Dontnod in their sequel.
If Max dumps Chloe again in this ending, then Deccknine clearly doesn't understand the original story or Max. And they definitely don't respect Bae in that case.
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 I mean Max did leave without saying anything the first time so maybe this game will explore Max's issues on her own.
@@crowquet56hmmm based
I hate the feeling like if you sacrifice her, entire game is just resumed and all things are chosesen by devs. So basically that would be third ending, another timeline, when max (or not her, something definately) make the rich kid not that anxious and conflicted to show with a gun in toilet. Or with jeffereson....? I would rather want to play game in jeffereson or rich kid perspective than this... Or maybe max focusing on their childchood from photos? You know? That would bs interesting and creating whole uniwerse
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 Why do you assume Max would be the one dumping? Chloe is her own person. And she's not the most stable, emotionally. That's just how things go sometimes. You can promise things all night long but people change, sometimes. Especially after a traumatic event. That doesn't necessarily discount the sincerity of what you felt at that time. There are dozens of possible reasons why they may have gone their separate ways. That's the thing about living. You never really know how you'll feel until you get there. But I think automatically jumping to the conclusion that Max is the dumper is a tad hasty.
Pricefield Divorce Arc /hj
LMAOOO
I WILL ACTUALLY CRY IF SO,,
TOXIC LESBIANISM ♡♡♡
@@yllowjcket lebanism
Chloe Price is the greatest Life is Strange character Arcadia Bay is Amazing
I wouldn’t call it clever marketing as like you said; a lot of us feel as if our choice has been invalidated & them being so secretive about Chloe is actually a red flag. I for one have decided to distance myself from the series until the game comes out & we know for sure. If they’ve really broken them up; that invalidates our choice either way, turning Bay vs. Bae into just Bay vs. No Bay, and with Chloe being such a major character, arguably the biggest character in the Arcadia Bay story (a lot of 1 & BTS is all about/over her) it’ll just be hugely disrespectful towards that original game. Apparently 48% of people voted to sacrifice the bay…that’s nearly HALF the fanbase, disrespecting & more or less leaving those people behind would surely end the series with much lower sales. I know I wouldn’t stick around knowing my choices potentially don’t matter in sequels. Maybe it would’ve been better to just leave Max & Chloe behind & continue with new characters…
they're definitely trying to drum up hype with it - it's inspired a lot of discussion. time will tell on whether that worked out for them, i guess!
You literally spoke my mind. Breaking up Max and Chloe is clearly disrespectful to Bae ending.. If that's what they're going with, they just lied to our faces.
It is clever because people talk about it. What more do you want 😂
3:59 Well this aged poorly :*(
love the "let's cut to the Chase" clip lol :'D
Hrhr, Poor Vicky xD
Am I the only one who immediately thought that Chloe is definitely dead in the main timeline, but that the alternate realities in this open the possibility of Max stumbling across one where she survived? I’m hoping it means she has to try to reconcile the timelines to bring both Chloe and Saffi back to life, but that probably means she will have to choose between the two. Maybe in this reality Max doesn’t exist and Chloe doesn’t even recognise her, or Max and Chloe are together and she has to decide whether to intervene for her own benefit or let them live happily together. If they don’t go this route I’ll be disappointed now
It looks like Deck9 killed “Bay vs BAE” with “Bay vs no Bay,” and I hate it. Deck9 killed PriceField and why is the real murder mystery. Deck9 has dragged Max into a hipster dating sim. 😢
I mean, Max is a hipster
Let’s face it. True Colors is a dating sim. The main point of TC is hooking up with Ryan or Steph. The story is nonsense. It looks like that’s what Deck9 knows and wants the LiS brand to be, and they’re gonna lose a lot of fans, and hopefully sales, regardless at this point. I certainly want no part of this game. Deck9 did a AAA all over Max and PriceField with its weird rebranding and predatory pricing. Also, I really need to calm down about this, but there are so many noses that need punching at Deck9 and Square right now. I volunteer to be the magical tornado storm of vengeance. 😂
Bro this is the best they could do they couldn’t have a full game with Chloe because that would alienate half the playerbase who sacrificed her. They don’t wanna piss off either side of the playerbase who picked either option which unfortunately means Chloe cant play a big part in the game although I bet she’ll still appear physically if you kept her alive. Plus the game takes place 10 years later anyways, so its reasonable to believe that her and Chloe aren’t still just hangin out all the time even if she is alive because they are 28 and 29 years old and people have to move on with their lives and jobs.
@@jamescrain4452 "Max.. i'll always be with you" - "Forever".
This is one of the two most important parts of this finale. The message is that they are going to always be together - as the best friends or a couple. To show that they are not together in this ending is to disrespect Bae. I don't know how much new developers must not understand the original story in order to write such a thing. And it's especially lazy to break them up off-screen just to make Bae Max's story fit Bay Max. So the only people they'll alienate with this move are Bae and Chloe fans (as well as Pricefield)
You don't do a story with characters who chose each other over the whole town and then say, "Well, they grew up and broke up with each other." Even Dontnod understood this and established that the girls live together after the storm and do not look back. They showed the same thing in their sequel.
The only ending where the girls shouldn't be together is the ending where Chloe is dead
@@jamescrain4452 Respect for moving on. That’s a real life pro tip, but this isn’t real life. Your kind of thinking would probably get you a job at Deck9 though. 😂.
I wish we could use Max’s power in this game to save Rachel
Do you think that it’s possible that Ashly Burch could return as the voice of Chloe? There was a sequence in the gameplay reveal whereas you heard someone say “MAX”.
Rhianna Devries (Chloe’s VA in Before the Storm) has an upcoming credit for a motion capture + voice performance for a video game character, so people are speculating she’ll be voicing Chloe
@@CucuOnGames I hope she’ll be as good to voicing Chloe, specifically by this point since she’s an adult. I hope there’s a change in the tone to her voice.
This would be like the end decision of Tell Tales: The Walking Dead season 2 transferring to Season three, where you may as well have just not made it the big choice for what happened...
Yeah, they're playing their cards right and stringing everybody along really well. They stressed that they wanted to respect both endings so I'm sure she's got something to do with the game if you chose to save her. Despite my reservations on the game, I'm st interested in how they'll handle this.
She better be in this damn game at least once I didn’t destroy an entire fucking town just for this to happen. I also didn’t stay up all night one day in fourth grade on a school night to beat the original just for nothing. Also, I wouldn’t be too upset if they gave Chloe a mass effect two type role in the game, for example if you romance Ashley Williams in mass effect 1 you only see her once in 2 and you have to choice to stay loyal to her or move on now that would be a good choice
I swearrrrr if Chloe isn’t in this game once, I’m going to rage
I was literally just talking about the polaroid vs print thing with a friend. Though, they made a good point. In the extended preview, they said the conversation with Safi is their way around a LiS1 save file import. So it's the same conversation across the board. When she asks about the girl with the blue hair, that's our moment to decide what happened in LiS1. So unless that question comes *after* a discussion about Arcadia Bay's destruction, it's probably the only choice we're going to get regarding their current relationship.
Which I hate. I'm reaching for any amount of copium I can, and maybe it's just me being pessimistic, but I feel like their way of 'respecting' both paths is that Chloe will just be mentioned being alive if you chose Bae over Bay and vice versa. Given that Max has romance options in this game, if you're a Bae-er, I can't see any other way forward other than them having broken up before the start of the game. Especially when you take into account the 'alone' comment, which is likely not contingent on Bay OR Bae but is just a non-choice-influenced dialogue option.
I think this kind of thing is bound to happen as soon as you decide to do a sequel to the first Life is Strange: in order to make the plot work with both endings of the first game, Chloe's role must take a backseat, because the sequel has to work without her. In that case, it's better for her to be offscreen even for those who decided to save her. If she was physically present but did nothing significant, it would be lame, imo.
Part of me wishes Decknine would have used the "multiple timelines solution" instead (you know: starting the game with Bay Max, and then have her visit the timeline where Chloe is alive). It would allow for Chloe to have a major role in the plot, whether you sacrificed her or not, and it would also allow for the Maxines in both timelines to have very different lives. Because let's face it: it's hard to believe that the choice at the end of Life is Strange 1 had so little impact in the life of Max Caulfield that no matter what she chooses she ends up ten years later in the same city, with the same people, wearing the same clothes, and with the same job X)
I really hope that this question sounds after we've chosen the ending in the dialog with Safi, and what we're shown is Bay version.
3:43 the cut to the chase bit hahahaha
Perhaps they’ll do something similar like what Telltale did in the Back to the Future game where Michael J Fox made his appearance in the last episode.
Plus, it wouldn’t surprise me if fans have been reaching out to Ashly Burch to see if she’ll say anything about being in the game. Let’s go with the no news is good news mind set here.
From what it seems like Rihanna (Chloe’s bts VA) is apparently doing voiceover and motion capture for an unannounced game, which could be this.
It’s been so long to really know if Ashly would even be open to voicing Chloe anymore.
@@McKnlght it would make sense if Ashly was just busy too, she's been doing a lot the last few years
@@crowquet56 True, and tbf I don’t expect her to comeback for this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got Rihanna as a replacement. Especially if you’re gonna be potentially voicing an adult Chloe, since she’d be 30 at this point.
Great callback
My theory is that we are going to play with a lot of different timelines, and maybey Max is living in one where Chloe isn´t there anymore, but in other she is, and that is going o be a heavy plot point
I think the devs not picking a proper canon ending to LiS1 is going to come back around and bite them because we don't know if any fan favorites will be able to return. And never mind the elephant that is Chloe. If Chloe is alive then that means Kate, Victoria and even Nathan and Joyce are dead. And if Chloe is dead...shippers won't be happy.
if they broke up i think i would sob for days
52% people kill Chloe and now needs to see again alive .... im 48% and I save Chloe...
What if even the two timelines Max shifts from and towards are somehow still connected to that LiS1 ending? The Max that we started playing in this game is the one that saved Arcadia Bay. But when she began shifting through timelines, she not only got a glimpse of what it would be like if Safi didn't die, but it's also a world where Max saves Chloe. Or the inverse.
I hope you are right because in the dozens of times I replayed LiS I never picked the ending without Chloe because it just went against every fibre of my being, this is the only game which I've replayed multiple times without at least loading and checking out the other endings out of curiousity, I just couldn't do it. To start up a sequel where Chloe isn't present in any way would feel so awful I'd much rather they just made this exact game with a different protagonist - the powers are different enough anyway! It is not LiS without Max *and* Chloe.
Your video got me thinking though about how games typically only have 1 or 2 romance exclusive scenes, most of the build up are typically through dialogue options in dialogues that are present whether you pursue the romance or not. With the addition of the text-message system in LiS it wouldn't be costly to implement Chloe without her actually being around during most of the story, they'd just need to create an additional romance scene and have Chloe visit you during the time where other romance scenes would have occured, maybe let her stay in your home with some basic dialogue if you interact with her. That way the only thing you only lose out on by staying faithful to Chloe is one romance scene in exchange for another - which should be the case with or without Chloe in the mix.
a FUCKING town,you don't destroy it to just so it can crash IN THE NEXT GAME,HOW MANY characters that we LOVED where there?AN ENTIRE TOWN.GENOCIDE
I personally think they are keeping Chloe from the trailers to hype up her appearance more
Episode 1 is probably the tutorial episode and it ends with Safi's murder.
Episode 2 is exploring the alternate reality
Then, since Episode 2 is the last of the early access period, they probably want to hype up the full release more.
I think it will end with Max phone calling a certain someone, kinda like this:
Max: "I know i swore to never use my powers again... but i need your help. you're the only one i can trust... are you in?"
"I'm hella in."
*TO BE CONTINUED ON OCTOBER 29TH.*
so yeah that's my theory.
If this actually happens then my whole hesitation to buy this game may flip just like that. I NEED to see Max and Chloe together in an episode or two again.
I don't know if you saw it or someone pointed it out to you (I saw no one mention it), but when Safi asks about "the blue-haired girl," there is a little blue moon in the center of our choices, that would indicate in which universe we are. Since it's the past tense, in this universe, we probably have sacrificed Chloe, and if we were to have that discussion again, but in the parallel universe, we would have sacrificed Arcadia Bay. It depends on which picture Max looks at and whether it's a Polaroid or not! Anyway, it's just my thought!
Maybe this game will take both the first game’s timeline while also using the comic book timeline, where maybe they are still on good terms and Chloe convinced Max to put her art out for the world to see
What if… at the start of the game the game asks you if you sacrificed arcadia bay or not like LIS2 and the only footage they have shown us is from when you choose bay over bae.
Knowing that it's a new power to travel between realities, all Max has to do is find a reality where Arcadia isn't destroyed AND Chloe's alive, right?
In the other reality things might be different.
I think it makes sense, considering that Chloe never liked having choices made for her, and max choosing to save her instead of the bay probably made her feel trapped in the relationship.
Nope. She made her choice too in Bae.
Dontnod wrote Chloe the way that she's the one who let Max to sacrifice the town even knowing her mom will die in the process. That's how her speech ends:
"Max, you finally came back to me this week, and... you did nothing but show me your love and friendship. You made me smile and laugh, like I haven't done in years. Wherever I end up after this... in whatever reality... all those moments between us were real, and they'll always be ours. No matter what you choose, I know you'll make the right decision." - "Chloe... I can't make this choice..." - "No, Max... You're the only one who can."
And instead of being angry or blaming her, she acts completely supportive of Max throughout the Bae sequence. Basically she picks Max over the town and her mother.
And then Dontnod showed that they are together after 4 years, and the death of Chloe's mother didn't separate them (On the contrary Chloe's death separated Joyce and David in Bay.). There is a reason why it is shown that these two couples faced trauma and ended up on different paths, one is still together and the other broke up.
How do you manage to make all these points so engaging, Cucu?
Anyway this game appears to have a vibrant existence in another universe, giving the impression of being truly alive.
I swear if the true ending is sacrifice chloe i wont play the next one sorry
Hope she is there in some form im sick of life is strange choises when they dont even matter
i hope she will be!
That's my biggest hope, too. Hopefully, the options for Max and Chloe's relationship change to present tense if the player chose the 'saved Chloe' ending. That way, Bay or Bae, fans can choose if they're friends or more.
I just feel like having no present tense relationship options (romantic or otherwise) for a living Chloe arc wouldn't respect that ending to the first game.
OMFG 1:59 I'm in love with Max all over again...
In the newer trailer it did imply they kinda broke up but Max still having feelings for Chloe.
Why is the quality of the 2013 game so much better than on my iPad ? Is it because they’re scenes taken from computer and I’m on iPad ?
i’m using footage from the remastered collection on PC :)
@@CucuOnGames I don’t have a computer so I can only access the first Lis 🥲🥲🥲
okey but that small detail with photos..ITS ..i mean ,it definetly make sence. The thought of them going long distant makes sence and also, totally agree with " This game should be focused on new story and new stroline" . This video got rid of my overthinking and that thought of chloe appearing at the end of the game( for example picking up Max from semwhere or suprising her that she came back) is..literraly really sweet and i would be definetly happy with that :)
this video is so perfectly made that im actully really looking forward fro buying this game...HOPE there wont be suprised emotional damaged what happend to chloe....hahah please no, still recovering from LIS bts.
overall , thanks for this video ITS PERFECT...and cute
it would be so fucking great for their characters if they broke up but they still keep contact as friends. That would make so much sense.
in a mature, adult world? i feel like max and chloe would still rock as friends, yeah
No?
"Max.. i'll always be with you" - "Forever".
This is one of the two most important parts of this finale. The message is that they are going to always be together - as the best friends or a couple. To show that they are not together in this ending is to disrespect Bae. I don't know how much new developers must not understand the original story in order to write such a thing. And it's especially lazy to break them up off-screen just to make Bae Max's story fit Bay Max. So the only people they'll alienate with this move are Bae and Chloe fans (as well as Pricefield)
You don't do a story with characters who chose each other over the whole town and then say, "Well, they grew up and broke up with each other." Even Dontnod understood this and established that the girls live together after the storm and do not look back. They showed the same thing in their sequel.
The only ending where the girls shouldn't be together is the ending where Chloe is dead
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 bro, In the bae ending you can also choose to stay as friends, keep in mind that basically there are 3 endings and that David in lis3 calls them that too, they can be good friends that live far away from each other but still keep contact, that's a thing too.
I said it makes so much sense cuz the trauma they experienced, you can't deny that they have resentments that they never talked about and they only met the new version of them for only 1 week that is not enough to build a relationship, Chloe is grieving for Rachel n found her body, depression and is self-destructive. Max relived her trauma 4+ times, she mainly has trauma the size of the entire planet, neither of them knows how to talk about their problems in their diaries they say so, denying all the problems that the game itself shows you to later show them happy without any problem is not respecting the characters they built in 5 episodes (more with Chloe) and also the problems that Chloe had in her relationship with Rachel was beginning to show up in her relationship with max I didn't like that.
I personally think that Chloe was better with Rachel because their energies were the same, with Max that doesn't happen romantically, that's why I'm happy that Max has another love interest and now the two girls who appear in this next game seem like good people :D but that's just my opinion.
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 that's your opinion, mine is that they had so much trauma that a romantic relationship would not work for all the resentments that they never talked about among themselves but in their diaries, having the two be romantically related beyond 3 years would be very idealistic when the game itself shows us the problems the relationship would have and also when David mention them he mentioned them as friends.
One can continue to be friends and close without being physically next to the person, eventually people want to achieve their own dreams, Chloe may be studying in one city and max wants to achieve a new high in her career in other city and they would still be close.
As a person that choose the chloe ending I saved Chloe so that Max would have someone to talk to about her trauma I don't see her as a good romantic partner.
For me, they are two different characters that don't need each other to stand out, so it doesn't bother me that they aren't together because my ultimate goal was for Chloe to be alive and serve as a support for max even if they aren't together physically, that's my opinion and reasoning :D (I didn't do Chloe or Warren's romance because I didn't like them as a romance partner for Max)
I'm waiting for Safi to have a romantic route because she and Max are cute together lol
@@Wot7439 Even if you claim they're best friends, they're still together. Literally. Dontnod described them as "living together and not looking back" after storm. And Dontnod also said that a romantic path is a legitimate option after the storm. The common theme is that the girls are together literally and forever. (They explicitly stated that too). And moving forward. Also, Dontnod was explicitly told "you're making this choice to keep important relationship."
What's the resentments against each other? Over the course of this week, they've dealt with it and moved fordward, and Chloe forgive Max for what she did. If you're talking about the final decision, both girls chose each other and united in their decision.
Dontnod wrote Chloe the way that she's the one who let Max to sacrifice the town even knowing her mom will die in the process. That's how her speech ends:
"Max, you finally came back to me this week, and... you did nothing but show me your love and friendship. You made me smile and laugh, like I haven't done in years. Wherever I end up after this... in whatever reality... all those moments between us were real, and they'll always be ours. No matter what you choose, I know you'll make the right decision." - "Chloe... I can't make this choice..." - "No, Max... You're the only one who can."
And instead of being angry or blaming her, she acts completely supportive of Max throughout the Bae sequence. Basically she picks Max over the town and her mother.
And then Dontnod showed that they are together after 4 years, and the death of Chloe's mother didn't separate them (On the contrary Chloe's death separated Joyce and David in Bay.). There is a reason why it is shown that these two couples faced trauma and ended up on different paths, one is still together and the other broke up.
I'm not saying that Chloe doesn't love her mother, or that she won't miss her, or that she won't feel guilty for her death, but Dontnod wrote Chloe the way that she made her choice and that her choice is Max. She's not backing down from that. At least in their games.
It would be so wrong if Decknine threw out that aspect and said, "Well, Chloe started blaming Max."
And then there's the narrative point of view.
There are two important part in Sacrifice Arcadia Bay - the fact that we save Chloe at the cost of the town, and the fact that the girls promise each other to always be together at the most important moment of their lives - the moment when they chose each other over an entire town. Dontnod wrote that promise to be serious, and they didn't break that promise in the next game.
By the way, there are two parts in "Sacrificing Chloe" too - the fact that Max sacrifices Chloe and the fact that she promises that she will never forget her. A new storm or Max forgetting Chloe would devalue that ending too. Would you be happy about that?
There's information spreading all over Twitter and Reddit from an ex-DeckNine employee. They stated that Square Enix does not like Chloe and that they wanted her out of the picture, and how Square Enix also had beef with Ashly Burch. They also mentioned that there are probably no longer any more DeckNine higher-ups that care about the franchise. So this video was likely spot-on about them not caring. It's all chaos.
Considering there's alternative universes, my version will always be with Chloe and the continuation of that story in the comics.
I feel like saving Chloe was always a “we’re ending the story so let’s let them be happy if they want to” ending. It really hurts their ability to make a sequel unless that sequel has max exploring both possibilities. I think either the two timelines will do that or it will just be a “Chloe is dead” v “Chloe is in another city” scenario. You have to remember the relationship was never canon anyway, they were friends for all of us but the romance was a choice made by the player. I always played Max as if she were straight. There’s so many different choices in LIS that a sequel simply can’t take every single one into account and I think it’s probably just going to avoid going into detail of most of them and lean into the new adventure more.
What if the 2 realities Max can switch between in the new game are actually the 2 endings of the first game?
I really hope we have the option to say we are currenty dating Chloe. We could still form close platonic connections with the love interst(s) throughout the game. Like you said, it could even make the replay value go up. If the bay timeline has "just friends" and "highschool sweethearts", and the bae one has the same ones plus "we are a couple", that would only make 1/5 options lock you out of new romance. If a person decides to say Max isn't single, I don't think they want the option to romance anyone else, so they won't be mad at the loss of opportunity.
heres the thing, romance is a big theme in LiS games. True colors had two love interests with one leading towards the other. I just struggle to see how could they achieve this if Chloe is alive and your still with her.
literally life is strange: a new frontier.
Wasn't Life is Strange 2 more like "A New Frontier" in that it involved totally new protagonists?
At least you’re playing as Max. 😂💔
Not even close lmao. That title belongs to the second game which can be argued that it's the most different out of the bunch. Chole not getting major attention stings, but it's time to move on....
@@Dreamprism true, this is more like The Final Season
@@channel45853 In that case, I'm scared for what awful batch of Comics may come afterward.
I dont understand why its such a big thing that there is the possibility of them both not being together anymore. I mean lets be real here life is not always perfect, they could have parted ways at some point rather naturally for whatever reasons. So far as I know it has been 10 years ingame so there is a lot of room for things to change...
But this isn't real life, it's a game. A game where you can keep characters together forever. Plus there's promise.
"Max.. i'll always be with you" - "Forever".
This is one of the two most important parts of this finale. The message is that they are going to always be together - as the best friends or a couple. To show that they are not together in this ending is to disrespect Bae. I don't know how much new developers must not understand the original story in order to write such a thing. And it's especially lazy to break them up off-screen just to make Bae Max's story fit Bay Max.
You don't do a story with characters who chose each other over the whole town and then say, "Well, they grew up and broke up with each other." Even Dontnod understood this and established that the girls live together after the storm and do not look back. They showed the same thing in their sequel.
The only ending where the girls shouldn't be together is the ending where Chloe is dead. Imagine if the storm had hit Arcadia Bay in the other ending anyway?
I’m going with ocums razor on this. They most likely have to break up in order to respect both ends to LiS 1.
I think by making a max sequel in the first place is writing yourself into a corner cause you can’t truley respect both sides
At this point I just want to know what happened to Chloe and the town I sacrificed
it'll be interesting to see what happened
itll probably show it in this game
@@CucuOnGames yes and hopefully they do justice!!!
@@rocketstrke they better I don’t wanna find out I “sacrificed” a whole town full of… aMaZiNg people 🤣🤣🤣
@@CucuOnGames yooo, I just thought of this but what IF Chloe is the secret murder for this 😱😱😱. Jk, but that’d be one hell of a twist
a dlc with chloe’s life while max is away would be really cool, i hope we get to see her
It blows my mind that choices carry over to the other games
Hi there,
First of all, let me preface this by saying that I'm a creative writer and a narrative designer with a few shipped products under my belt, and Life is Strange was THE game that gave me the push I needed to pursue this career. So I'm eternally grateful to that game.
So, to me and based fully on narrative, there's only one correct choice at the end of LiS. Everyone of course can have their preferred one, and that's how it should be. It's your story after all. But, taking into account that Deck Nine says they respect both endings, writing this sequel is going to be a tad tricky. But it's still better than just canonizing one ending and pissing off half of the fanbase (last time I replayed LiS, the ending choice was something like 49% vs 51%).
That said, there's this saying in narrative, especially with interactive stories: "If a character can die, consider them dead in the sequel". While a tad contrived, it essentially means that giving the experiencer (player, reader, etc) the possibility to impact on any character's fate, it would be easier to consider them not present in the sequel. And this is why Bioware struggles with their Dragon Age and Mass Effect series. That saying also takes into consideration the new experiencer, who has no prior knowledge of what happened in prior installments, and then doesn't feel alienated because of that. But, it also affects long-time fans, since they might expect the character to return. So how is this done in games?
Four possibilities: Never mention the character (not good, especially not for long-time fans), mention character and explain why they're not around (not good, can feel a bit cheat-y towards fans), have the character be present, if applicable (best, but it requires much more effort, resources and time. Extremely heavy on development), or have the character make a cameo with explanation why they're not actively present, if applicable (the most common way, which is usually enough to appease everyone, if one well). My guess is that Chloe, if alive, will make some sort of cameo here, and it's explained during the game why she's not around actively. Texts, phone calls, short cameo, is what I think will happen.
But with Chloe, there's one more thing to consider. It's very heavily implied that Max and Chloe have romantical feelings towards one another in LiS, but not every player wants that. LiS 2, apparently (I have not played that game), mentions Max & Chloe living together (if that ending was chosen), a clever way to handwaive that problem, since living together can mean either way. I am curious to see what Deck Nine will do with this. The most obvious way is to give the player the option to choose the nature of said relationship, and reflect that in dialogue.
But, I am sure Chloe Price will show up in Double Exposure, if she's currently alive. Deck Nine would not take the risk to anger such a large portion of the fanbase (I have seen the passion of LiS fans, there would be rage), if they can help it. There is a way to respect both the endings and the fans, but it would require clever writing. Is Deck Nine up for the task? LiS is such a beloved game, so hopefully they'll do their best.
Not sure about this game, i really liked how Claudia Leonardi, Emma Vieceli, and Andrea Izzo followed the plot of the first game, both endings, in their comics and I'm cautious about getting this game if the plot does not aligns with them.
OK but what if they make a dlc where you can play as Chloe and you can see what's she been up to later on
People who save chloe counting myself maybe chloe is in different time line
imagine an ending where you choose to live in that timeline if you chose not to save her in the original...
• I'm curious about the potential differences between the Bae Vs Bay timelines and how expansive and branching the game's writing will actually be - depending on how LiS1 ended, Max will be living with a very different shade of trauma that will have shaped her in a different way and her outlook on the Safi reality shifting Schroedinger's cat murder mystery would realistically be very different and bring different variants of emotions to the surface depending on whether she chose Bae or Bay. So I'm curious if and how that will impact her thoughts/actions/speech in response to events that will be identical across both Bae/Bay DE timelines.
• How much will Chloe feature in both timelines? Will the Safi dead/alive realities also allow peaks at the LiS1 ending you didn't pick?
• I'm really curious about the Bae version of the game because so far DE makes more sense to me as a follow-up to the Bay ending: it's easier to sympathise with Max over Safi's death despite not being initially attached to Safi as a character because of what she represents - her friendship filled (to an extent) the void left by Chloe's death, so now in a way it must feel like Max is losing Chloe all over again! It makes sense why some form of her power would reactivate. Her attempt to save Safi might in a way feel like a second attempt at saving Chloe.
•When I view what has been shown so far through a Bae ending lens the stakes just come across as lower and harder to empathise with: Max sacrificed an entire community to save Chloe (although now possibly estranged), now she's going to do it all again - minus sacrificing a community - to save a woman she never had as close of a relationship with? The reactivation of Max's powers and her connection to Safi make less thematic sense in this timeline. Idk that's just how it comes across to me atm.
Thank you to anybody who read this!
I think we're forgetting an easy answer. Chloe might have died either way like from a disease shortly after sacrifice Bay. This both honors the OG ending(they never said what happens after each ending) and makes sense of why Max would start anew without Chloe. If Chloe really lived in one of the in-game scenarios, then like you said it would require two drastically different explanations of Max's after story and persona, and I don't think they can pull this off in a way that is both simple for game development and convincing plotwise. But Chloe's predetermined death actually solves everything. Surely Max's would be traumatized a bit differently but not as drastic as breaking up. In-game story might come down to how Max wants to restart, like try to forget her entirely(just a friend) or keep her close to heart(highschool sweetheart), thus alleviating story branching burden. But I believe this is good news and we are going to see her later in the late when it comes to the more paranormal part.
@@Zcinderone Killing Chloe in Bae is the complete opposite of respecting that ending. It's completely disrespectful to Bae ending. . It completely devalues that choice. Imagine if tomorrow's storm still hit Arcadia Bay in a different ending, or if Max regretted her decision and saved Chloe. It would have been the same devaluing of our choices.
So I hope Chloe just went to David for a while, but she'll be back at an important moment for the plot (we know Rihanna is doing motion capture for an unannounced project. She's only played Chloe this way before) and hopefully we'll be able to communicate with Chloe via texts and calls before then.
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597 If so Chloe could only feature a very small cameo since in one route she is dead and the game couldn't create two different main stories for that. I doubt they would bring her back just for a cameo let alone in just one route. If she is back then it means they will utilize this niche point and I don't see them going this far just to dabble with it.
@@Zcinderone From the looks of it, they're definitely bringing her back. We know that Rihanna is involved in motion capture (she used to only play Chloe that way) and voice acting for a new unannounced game.
And the leak, which turned out to be 99% true, claimed that Chloe could appear if we chose Bae
@@Zcinderone imo, in order for the two versions of DE to feel balanced Chloe needs to be dead/bay intact in one and alive/bay destroyed in the other.
I'm all for spin-offs exploring Chloe dying somehow after Bae ending and Arcadia Bay being wiped out somehow after Bay ending, but unless DE is exploring both (that would be insane and I'd actually love it if by some chance that's what they intend to do) it's best for those timelines to be standalone and not paired with a timeline where Chloe is alive or Bay is intact.
has anyone not questioned how max would be able to have a polaroid of chloe even though she would've never seen her again to take that picture in the sacrifice chloe ending
if you chose to sacrifice chloe, there is a scene where her mother shows max photos, so max could take one
Why does future Max look more like steph than Max herself?
Wouldn't be cool to see max and chloe back in Arcadia bay were max is photographer teacher and chloe a singer
That would be a good emd for them i pick max and chloe together be cool to see them as a cupple in the end
If pricefield broke up I’m literally never playing life is strange again
It would make no sense because last we saw them they literally say “I’ll never leave you”
Then it’s just “HAHAHA JK LOSERS LOVE IS DEAD GET FUCKED”
Like I better hear fucking wedding bells or so help me god
Besides the tech to make it with Chloe vs without Chloe exists it’s not impossible
Just look at the whole Kaiden alenko vs Ashley Williams thing in mass effect
Move on
@@Key-Knight87 no
bruh they could be still friends and I think that dialogue is just to know if you romanced her or not in the bae ending
@@Key-Knight87 Nope
@@zeratulzeratulovich6597man, seems life is strange didn’t matter to you, because the thing it was trying to tell you, you rejected.
What if, when you switch timelines you also switch between endings of life is strange one
we are going to 2 time lines right? what if the first time line arcadian bay is destroyed and time line 2 we will meet chloe later in the story as a suprise
I like to think that Square Enix & Deck Nine are probably promoting LIS 4 in a similar fashion to Spiderman NWH.
Fingers crossed that your theories about Chloe in the upcoming game are true 🤞
Man me and Chloe was like this “🤞🏾”😭.
better not ask “did you sacrifice arcadia bay?” once i first get on the game
The truth is that I think it's for the best that, unless they plan to have a full choice pull-over from your previous save files, they just leave the past as ambiguous as possible. The final choice of LiS was already controversial enough with how it kinda invalidates everything you've gone through up until then no matter which one you pick. It also didn't help that one ending CLEARLY had a lot more work put into it than the other. By forcing one or the other to be canon, you're only alienating people even further. Though the fact that they're letting the player define the relationship they had with Chloe tells me that they might be leaning into this a bit more. If you didn't want to romance her, option A. If you did, option B.
Also, let's be honest, Chloe was a pretty divisive character. A lot of people LOVE her, and a lot of people HATE her. You canonize her survival, her relationship status with Max, or her death, and SOMEONE is getting the short end of the stick.
There is a possibility that square enix and deck is keeping chloe as a secret. I mean if we knew chloe is in game by showing it in trailer than we guys won't even be making and talking about this type of videos and yeah...the hype for game would be lessen.
Though, they hinted few details about chloe, where it was dark and chloe called max, and max having her photo and recalling her past moments with her.
Lets wait for oct.15 to find out more.
I mean Max and Chloe aren’t always gonna be together forever so maybe they did break up or go seperate ways
They still havent said anything about the comics and it scares me.
It could be that they are not picking an ending from Life is Strange so the writers just decided to keep any mention of the first game to a bare minimum so they don’t make either ending canon.
Fans and TH-camrs : Endless speculation
Deck9 : Chloe is dead. Deal with it.
she definitely isn’t dead in all playthroughs!
Didn't you watch the gameplay? They explicitly said they are gonna respect BOTH endings. So stop talking bullshit
They'll put Chloe in a dlc like they did with steph.
Theyll mention her off doing something else for the majority of the game and then she'll get a dlc.
Still curious what theyll do for the bay ending though
Maybe have max go back to the bay
Maybe thats what itll be for the dlc no matter what and Chloe will be there in one and the people who died would be there in the other.
It could be that they wrote Chloe out. Chloe wasn’t a favorite character by majority of those who played the game.
I completely agree that the footage from the livestream and those past-tense questions are from the Sacrifice Chloe choice. It's not uncommon for companies to do this type of marketing strategy. My personal opinion: They are keeping info about Chloe hidden on purpose, because she probably does have a role to play if players chose to keep her alive. Going back to school and being in that type of setting doesn't appear to be something Chloe would vibe with..( given her bad school track record, she got expelled from Blackwell after all 🤣). Most likely she encouraged Max to chase her dream in photography further, hence why she has been a photographer in residence for last six months. Chloe has her own dreams no doubt, so she is probably doing her thing elsewhere. She and Max are no doubt still together, just not physically with each other right now. But they would definitely keep in contact via texts and phone calls etc.
I don't think Deck Nine and Square Enix would be stupid enough to spilt them up in between the original and Double Exposure...that would anger a lot of fans, and the new game wouldn't do very well. 😶 I think they are keeping Chloe's involvement hidden on purpose, because they know how loved her character is by so many of the fans. I think things will be fine somehow! And new romance options doesn't actually mean Max HAS to romance them...😂 that's up to the player after all! But I think it will be fine and Chloe is still in Max's life, how could she not be? :)
If they split up, it's still fine. I think everyone should focus on the story being told and if said story is good
And here I am trying to go into the new game blind and you go and post a new rumor vid? What happened to you posting once every 2 months huh? J/k 😂 Watching now!
hahaha sorry! i can't help myself :P
While even at the time of saving Chloe and leaving Arcadia Bay together I felt like there would be enough survivor guilt going around between those two to potentially destroy any relationship, doing that off-screen to make the writing easier would be a major let-down.
Although Dontnod disagreed and showed that even after 4 years no guilt separated Max and Chloe (unlike the adults Joyce and David in the other ending).
But yes breaking up Max and Chloe off-screen is a terrible way to explain Chloe's absence.
But what about all 5 people who went the warren romance route