Many thanks for covering the lighting in the review; I have the green version with small yellow panels and thought the lighting connections were faulty due to the brightness of the middle cars eclipsing the ends, now I know why. Excellent presentation style also 👍🏻
I focus on the Southern Region and this is right up my street. I bought mine some years ago when it was cheaper. An excellent model, notwithstanding the fiddly coupling system, that is way ahead of the Hornby old tooled 4-VEP both in terms of accuracy and performance (Let's see if the forthcioming new tooled version will shape up). Bachmann have cornered the bigger Southern Region outline EMUs. This 4-CEP can be run with the recently released 4-BEP and the Class 419 MLV to recreate a Victoria to Dover boat train from the 1970s. Such trains were the workhorses of continental rail travel until superseded by the Eurostar in the 1990s.
As always ErviRail, you posted a video about a train, I watched it and I immediately went out and brought a Green and Yellow one, which was good timing as I managed to get a second hand one for £106. You are right, this is a nice train, it runs very smooth.
I picked up the BR Green variant a few years ago at a great price when it was on sale. The model itself is such a good runner and the smoothest. I agree with your review 100%. The only thing that I’m not a fan of is when coupling them together and taking them apart. 👍
Thanks for that. Yes, the assembly can be a bit challenging. I've added my procedure for this to the video description. You end up with only one tricky connection to make and I've found it works well for me.
Fantastic video - I passed on this for £110 back in 2011 when i was flirting with getting back into the hobby. I was flabbergasted last year when I started shopping again to see that it had risen to £400+. Luckily, I managed to get myself one from Rails last week for £220 (seems reasonable considering the crazy prices we are seeing these days). Really enjoying your reviews, succinct and visually pleasing. Always helps me make an informed decision.
Just brought the green version in an auction. Only allowed a very quick check and test as it is a Christmas present but seems excellent. Your review is therefore timed perfectly for me and seems I might have got a real bargain!
Thank You Eugene ! I wasn't even looking for this 4-car EMU but several years ago I saw it at Hattons for .......... £89 !! That was an absolute no-brainer and my friend and train doctor Tony installed a decoder in it (no sound). Amazing how reliable it ran in BOTH directions also "pushing" with the power bogie at the rear ! I have the 31-427A but there are no differences I'd say. Cheers, Jan
Thanks Jan. Wow, £89, I nearly feel ripped off now with what I paid! Seriously, that was a steal as this is a high quality set. Hard to find bargains like that these days.
At £203.96 it's a very tempting set, however at £419.95 it's daylight (and nightlight) robbery. It is a shame about the lighting but it does look absolutely wonderful running round your layout, like they were made for each other. Very tempting.👍👍
Class 411, its a good model, runs well and nicely detailed. Good review. Disagree with you on large motors visible within DMUs. The old 158 is better than the new Bachmann 158. Those two tiny bogie motors have minimal power and if one fails probably takes the other with it. In the long run robustness matters.
Great review, I bought mine a few years ago when they first came out in the BR Green, I think in 2016 it was about GBP189, just recently bought the 4BEP at the ridiculous price of AUD798 (about GBP400) from an Australian Model Shop, however worked out at about the same if I bought it from a UK dealership. Haven't had the issue of the lights at all, I do have an issue with the inter-coach connectors in my opinion they are awful. I wanted the recent 4BEP to run an prototypical rake of 8 cars, although more often it was part of an 12 car set. Have to see if I can pick up a bargain BR Green set to make that a model reality, thanks for the review ...Drew
I got one also at the discounted price. Two items not mentioned hat I think are relevant. 1 you cannot change the directional lighting if running backwards. This is frustrating on an end to end shuttle layout. 2 the corridor gaps between coaches is too large. This can be solved by replacing with Bachmann class 101 coupling bars
Thanks for raising those two points. The directional issue is common to a number of Bachmann EMUs unfortunately and that's definitely a much bigger issue for end to end layouts.
I got a second hand one of these a year or two ago now for under £200. Haven't run it a great deal or in a while, but I remember it being a capable model. So I can't fully comment on the lightening difference between the cars, though it seemed fine. It does look good in the BR Green though. The biggest problem I have with it, it is the drawbar connectors. It always feels like I may snap one when connecting everything together or the socket they go into. Cheers
Thanks for that Paul. I've added my procedure for adding the EMU to the track and connecting everything up safely into the video description. I use it all the time now with my Bachmann EMUs/DMUs and I find it easier than what they recommend in the documentation. The BR Green is nice for sure.
@@linesided Kernow have some great deals. I live in the US and buy from them a lot. We have to do our research over here to find bargain shipping as well as bargain models!
Got one for £150 a few years ago, doesn't fit my layout, but It has to be one of the best models I have, although the coach lighting is a bit letdown, ive been considering putting a couple of light strings in to improve it
mine has really good lighting in the 2 center coaches, but kind of underlit on the power car and trailer. One slight gripe is that there is only one direction of lighting
Can't take anything for granted and it's the super detailed models that tend to be the worst offenders. There's nothing to fall off the old Lima models.
I got this particular set from Kernow but I'd have no issue purchasing from Hattons whether new or pre-owned. They're excellent to deal with. Rails have this set as well and again, they provide excellent service.
@@EuviRail great im thinking of getting a compound from kernow and re paint it to look like merlin the irish compound. i voluteer for rpsi so it be cool to have model i paint or have something close to it. p4s are very similar to merlin with few differences but the look unless you have keen eye you wouldnt know the difference unless you saw it. thanks for the reply. i try purchase from marks models when i can but if they dont have what i want i usually go and get it somewhere else.
as someone who used to work these units in their refurbished days I always thought it was a disappointment that Bachmann didn't do the refurbished version.
My opinion is of the 2 I have (br full blue + br blu/gr), great models. Smooth and quiet with a cruise that seems effortless. Compare it to Hornby's 4vep and it exceeds it as a cathedral does a parish church. Kernow's unpowered 4tc has no lighting issues but is expensive.
Hi Euan, I have got 3 CEPs - the Green, the Blue and the Blue Grey. You have put together a thoughtful and well made review. Thanks for uploading. Tip: watch my video for an easier way to put the CEP together! th-cam.com/video/5aYKNFW485w/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, an April 1st RRP. Looks like some folks have paid a hundred quid for four MK1 coaches and 20 quid for the motor second hand which is a very different prospect!
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Many thanks for covering the lighting in the review; I have the green version with small yellow panels and thought the lighting connections were faulty due to the brightness of the middle cars eclipsing the ends, now I know why. Excellent presentation style also 👍🏻
Thanks for that.
I focus on the Southern Region and this is right up my street. I bought mine some years ago when it was cheaper. An excellent model, notwithstanding the fiddly coupling system, that is way ahead of the Hornby old tooled 4-VEP both in terms of accuracy and performance (Let's see if the forthcioming new tooled version will shape up). Bachmann have cornered the bigger Southern Region outline EMUs. This 4-CEP can be run with the recently released 4-BEP and the Class 419 MLV to recreate a Victoria to Dover boat train from the 1970s. Such trains were the workhorses of continental rail travel until superseded by the Eurostar in the 1990s.
Many thanks for that Peter.
As always ErviRail, you posted a video about a train, I watched it and I immediately went out and brought a Green and Yellow one, which was good timing as I managed to get a second hand one for £106.
You are right, this is a nice train, it runs very smooth.
At £106, Santa Claus came early! Thanks for your comments and confidence in my recommendation!
I picked up the BR Green variant a few years ago at a great price when it was on sale. The model itself is such a good runner and the smoothest. I agree with your review 100%. The only thing that I’m not a fan of is when coupling them together and taking them apart. 👍
Thanks for that. Yes, the assembly can be a bit challenging. I've added my procedure for this to the video description. You end up with only one tricky connection to make and I've found it works well for me.
Fantastic video - I passed on this for £110 back in 2011 when i was flirting with getting back into the hobby. I was flabbergasted last year when I started shopping again to see that it had risen to £400+.
Luckily, I managed to get myself one from Rails last week for £220 (seems reasonable considering the crazy prices we are seeing these days).
Really enjoying your reviews, succinct and visually pleasing. Always helps me make an informed decision.
Thanks for that and glad you were able to pick one up at a good price.
Awesome trainset Euvirail!! Many thanks for this review!! Greets from Holland, Onno.
Thanks Onno and great to see a Dutch modeler on here.
Just brought the green version in an auction. Only allowed a very quick check and test as it is a Christmas present but seems excellent. Your review is therefore timed perfectly for me and seems I might have got a real bargain!
Thank You Eugene ! I wasn't even looking for this 4-car EMU but several years ago I saw it at Hattons for .......... £89 !!
That was an absolute no-brainer and my friend and train doctor Tony installed a decoder in it (no sound).
Amazing how reliable it ran in BOTH directions also "pushing" with the power bogie at the rear !
I have the 31-427A but there are no differences I'd say. Cheers, Jan
Thanks Jan. Wow, £89, I nearly feel ripped off now with what I paid! Seriously, that was a steal as this is a high quality set.
Hard to find bargains like that these days.
At £203.96 it's a very tempting set, however at £419.95 it's daylight (and nightlight) robbery. It is a shame about the lighting but it does look absolutely wonderful running round your layout, like they were made for each other. Very tempting.👍👍
Thanks John. Same as yourself I wouldn't touch it at the old price but hard to resist when discounted. The BR Green livery is actually nice as well.
Class 411, its a good model, runs well and nicely detailed. Good review. Disagree with you on large motors visible within DMUs. The old 158 is better than the new Bachmann 158. Those two tiny bogie motors have minimal power and if one fails probably takes the other with it. In the long run robustness matters.
Thanks Alan, I'll never argue against performance or robustness!
Great review, I bought mine a few years ago when they first came out in the BR Green, I think in 2016 it was about GBP189, just recently bought the 4BEP at the ridiculous price of AUD798 (about GBP400) from an Australian Model Shop, however worked out at about the same if I bought it from a UK dealership. Haven't had the issue of the lights at all, I do have an issue with the inter-coach connectors in my opinion they are awful. I wanted the recent 4BEP to run an prototypical rake of 8 cars, although more often it was part of an 12 car set. Have to see if I can pick up a bargain BR Green set to make that a model reality, thanks for the review ...Drew
Thanks for that Drew and best of luck in your search to bring your 12 car project to completion. That should be pretty impressive on the track.
I got one also at the discounted price. Two items not mentioned hat I think are relevant. 1 you cannot change the directional lighting if running backwards. This is frustrating on an end to end shuttle layout. 2 the corridor gaps between coaches is too large. This can be solved by replacing with Bachmann class 101 coupling bars
Thanks for raising those two points. The directional issue is common to a number of Bachmann EMUs unfortunately and that's definitely a much bigger issue for end to end layouts.
I got a second hand one of these a year or two ago now for under £200. Haven't run it a great deal or in a while, but I remember it being a capable model. So I can't fully comment on the lightening difference between the cars, though it seemed fine.
It does look good in the BR Green though.
The biggest problem I have with it, it is the drawbar connectors. It always feels like I may snap one when connecting everything together or the socket they go into.
Cheers
Thanks for that Paul. I've added my procedure for adding the EMU to the track and connecting everything up safely into the video description. I use it all the time now with my Bachmann EMUs/DMUs and I find it easier than what they recommend in the documentation. The BR Green is nice for sure.
Very nice set do they do this set for n gauge looks really good thank you for a great video 👍
There was a Graham Farish version 10+yrs ago. Hattons have few pre-owned.
Have been coveting this model for years, but no way it's worth 500 quid. 300 and I'm all over it, but have never seen at that price point. Nice video,
Check Kernow, they have a few of them on discount.
Thanks for that. As per other reply I picked this up from Kernow.
Bought a couple weeks ago and paid 208GBP plus really decent priced postage to Canada. This was a great tip - thanks a lot!
@@linesided Kernow have some great deals. I live in the US and buy from them a lot. We have to do our research over here to find bargain shipping as well as bargain models!
Got one for £150 a few years ago, doesn't fit my layout, but It has to be one of the best models I have, although the coach lighting is a bit letdown, ive been considering putting a couple of light strings in to improve it
mine has really good lighting in the 2 center coaches, but kind of underlit on the power car and trailer. One slight gripe is that there is only one direction of lighting
It says something about the hobby when "No bits falling off" is considered a 'feature'!
Can't take anything for granted and it's the super detailed models that tend to be the worst offenders. There's nothing to fall off the old Lima models.
aah, the number 94 or 96 was the train I went to school on, in the 80s.
where did you get them from hattons. are hattons good to buy from?
I got this particular set from Kernow but I'd have no issue purchasing from Hattons whether new or pre-owned. They're excellent to deal with. Rails have this set as well and again, they provide excellent service.
@@EuviRail great im thinking of getting a compound from kernow and re paint it to look like merlin the irish compound. i voluteer for rpsi so it be cool to have model i paint or have something close to it. p4s are very similar to merlin with few differences but the look unless you have keen eye you wouldnt know the difference unless you saw it. thanks for the reply. i try purchase from marks models when i can but if they dont have what i want i usually go and get it somewhere else.
as someone who used to work these units in their refurbished days I always thought it was a disappointment that Bachmann didn't do the refurbished version.
Thanks Chris for a very valid point. They could have also added some interesting liveries as part of this.
My opinion is of the 2 I have (br full blue + br blu/gr), great models. Smooth and quiet with a cruise that seems effortless. Compare it to Hornby's 4vep and it exceeds it as a cathedral does a parish church. Kernow's unpowered 4tc has no lighting issues but is expensive.
Kernow ones Often on offer with a loco if you are after one. Couple on offer with 73’s at the mo
I would b interested to in the b r green now at that price thankyou for the tip and video
Thanks Mark. The BR Green version does look good.
Hi Euan, I have got 3 CEPs - the Green, the Blue and the Blue Grey. You have put together a thoughtful and well made review. Thanks for uploading. Tip: watch my video for an easier way to put the CEP together! th-cam.com/video/5aYKNFW485w/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for that and that for sharing. I have to say I do like the Green version as well.
Hundred quid each for 4 Mk1 coaches and 20 quid for powered bogie 🤯🤡
Yeah, an April 1st RRP. Looks like some folks have paid a hundred quid for four MK1 coaches and 20 quid for the motor second hand which is a very different prospect!
When i bought mine at £90 on Ebay a few years ago I considered it a snip at £20 for each coach and £30 for a loco!
@@stevedunningduckinggiraffe6296 Now that was a steal. I hope you gave the seller a good rating on eBay 👍👍