On Past Professional Relationships.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- I love you all.
MASSIVE DISCLAIMER HOLY SHIT
I COMPLETELY forgot about my time spent in Germany, I'm sorry holy FUCK. Dennis and the rest of the crew at TakeTV are AWESOME dudes and DEFINITELY gave me opportunities in the SC2 community that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and I genuinely believe he was an awesome dude (Dennis) for doing so. Paid flight/hotel and everything, I super super super appreciate my time spent over there, I'm actually embarrassed as fuck that I forgot to mention it in this video.
It really really bothers me that that somehow completely eluded my mind, fuck me, I really do appreciate what Homestory Cup and Dennis did for me. The caster that works (worked?) with them, Naruto, did a fuck-ton to help me as well with my Destiny tournament on one of the casting days. Maybe it's just German people that are friendly, I'll try to associate more with them in the future. :^)
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Destiny you have elven ears
I have twelve ears.
Shaped exactly like the inside of a pair of HD598's.
I am completing my degree in online marketing this year, but I struggle to understand why this got the most likes here. Guess memes>all
You misspelled Vulcan.
i cant stop looking at his ears now...
Pretty real dude. Sure you'll get lots of flames about being emotional but I think it's cool. We love you.
I think he'll get flamed more from the video sounding like a humble brag to people that haven't been watching him for a while.
I appreciate you opening up like this Destiny, it really brings some light into a lot of the behind the scenes stuff that we don't see when you're streaming.
Didn't really realize how much of a lone avid business person you were considering all odds were against you and youwere able to overcome a lot of this by yourself and build your own livelihood for you and eventually Nathan.
I don't think that you're being overly emotional, it makes sense when for the entirety of your stay in the starcraft community was filled with people bullshitting you and not putting in as much as you were.
I think it's justified that you don't want to become involved with all of these people because you've built something that took years of hard work by yourself, so don't feel like you're an asshole for not wanting to be re-involved with them.
I went through half of my years in school with destiny's stream playing constantly. I was there for Mia, the "personal pictures", the cam girl, and I've seen Nathan grow up basically, and I still check TH-cam daily and run the stream whenever I'm doing anything on the PC...
And I feel like there are a lot of people here that have the same history. Somehow Destiny was able to build a fanbase that has a lot of people that are there solely for him. I mean - Destiny's way better at Starcraft than most people will ever be, but I don't think he attracted people for being one of the best Starcraft pros, y'know? We love the memes that are born and we love the meme master that makes them.
Ik no one will see this but fuck yea brother
I'm jealous you had those experiences. I was too young to watch Destiny back then. Only discovered him in 2017.
@@wetstoffels3198 I’ve only discovered him this year lol and I never been this attracted or even obsessed listening to a streamers until I found Destiny
You still watching? @Salem Blackstock
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#1 is Destiny not giving this to his editor first.
2:25
"I haven't burnt any bridges in a long time."
Hopefully he corrected that mistake!
Oh boy
Too many burnt bridges to count now
I don't really understand the Starcraft scene, but the way you handled everything that was really impressive. In a much less significant way I know the feeling of coming to the realization that a majority of your friends aren't actually thereto help you. I honestly came across this channel as a Jontron fan, and now I watch nearly anything you upload. You're doing a great job with everything!
He got a bot; I augmented a portfolio that eventually led to a job. High fives all around.
"I could pack up and leave twitch" - Based Destiny 2017
don't worry destiny i'll cry for both of us.
I have followed you since the early sc2 days. This mindset you have is amazing and is helping me through a 16 year break up. Yeah I was 12. I also got abandoned when I helped nearly everyone and this is an amazing mindset to have. Very inspirational.
Realest video you've ever Made Steven. Great job, been a fan since december 2010.
Destiny ears are really distracting in this debate.
Actual hobbit
I can't fucking unsee it
You have a personality that at times can become very grating. I can only speak as a viewer that has been following you for a couple of years now. But in my case every time I've shared a piece of information or some new content that I think you would enjoy, every single instance of that was dismissed with hatred, or at best a quick "No, fuck off".
Human interaction is a two-way street. I absolutely feel you, you haven't had it easy, I know, but try to see your self from the outside looking in every once in a while, especially with the way you treat people who don't necessarily have anything of value to give you or that you don't stand to gain anything from.
You say you're not emotional, but you choked up a bit at 28 minutes. I'll cry for you :'(
Yo dude,
I watched this video and i just wanted to say that i think that u are a super cool dude.
The way u learn from your mistakes, grow a person and voice your opinion is a great inspiration.
I know i little bit how it feels to build thinks alone.
Please keep doing what u are doing and keep growing as a person, try to be open to people without giving all of yourself away at the start.
When u do good, good comes to u i really believe that.
Lots of love mate ♥
Comments pretty much cover my thoughts on this video, Legolas. I appreciate more of these more behind the scenes, heart to heart, videos. Your drunk story and your daily moments of rage show us you aren't as emotionless as you maintain. You don't need to be strong and cold and stoic for us dad!
Also big fan of the cold intro. Coupled with your lack of cuts, it sounds similar to a podcast or NPR.
Destiny got DESTROYED in this debate!
DESTINY BTFO LUL
REKT!!!
You said/did some controversial shit back in the day so people were just kind of unsure about associating with you too much. Most of the popular sc2 figures always made sure to be 100% politically correct. For example you were hanging out with combatex while day9 made sure not to use a single curseword on stream...
mfw I don't get to tag or put videos on the video
delete it and go on strike, you deserve better than this
Fantastic insight Steven. Thanks for all the great content recently, as a long time follower it's fascinating to see/hear all the horseshit that would go down in the early days. It's clear MLG had money, why couldn't they pay? It seems more incompetence than lack of funds, you keep mentioning it wasn't much. It's all super shitty...
I'm still using a Das these days because of you... I'd stop but.. ya know...
It's rather interesting how the kindest people are the ones who've been alone or felt alone for some period of their lives.
Really like the way you opened this video.
“My upbringing was somewhat unique. As an elf...”
You should add your disclaimer about the Take TV guys into the video. I don't think most people read the description. I can totally see why you wouldn't want to help those that never had your back but as a fan from SC2 days I'd love to see you stream and joke around with Rotti, Geoff and Nate etc, the Homestory Cup you did with them was hilarious.
Destiny as a caster, yeah we've all seen his enthusiasm when the game is resolved yet goes on for another 10 minutes.. lol!
Been watching you since ustream days my dude(which was 6 years ago holy shit). Crazy to think you would ever make it this far, from an autistic zerg player raging at patch terrans to a 'media personality'.
If i were in your shoes, personally i would tell these people to go blow themselves. As you said they never lifted a finger to help you and were more than happy to throw you to the wayside if it benefited themselves or if you could cause detriment. That is not what a friend does, so they do not deserve to benefit from their friendship with you. Although if you wish to be pragmatic and view this in the sense of business, a mutual benefit must be produced from the relationship. If this person(s) will increase the entertainment value or exposure of the stream without leeching viewers, whilst simultaneously gaining exposure and potential viewers for themselves, i cannot see the detriment in allowing them on. This is as always the line you must always walk, principles or pragmatism.
These days it's nice to be able to tune in to a stream that was just the same as back in 2013. Seem like Twitch is at the point where TH-cam was when blowing up, and there are so many "professional" streamers (markipliers) with a full clichè setup with notifications for everything.
I just wanna be entertained and I don't need anyone to force that..
The best thing about helping people who "don't deserve it", is to open their eyes that they can do the same.
Love you buddy. Really glad you stuck it out through everything and are still around.
Everyone is talking about your dope elf ears, but I every time you look up im distracted by the beautiful blue ocean in your eyes.
ayy lmao check out those comments www.daskeyboard.com/blog/das-keyboard-announces-sponsorship-of-root-gaming-team/
Edward He that's crazy lol
They deleted it. . . now I'm curious as to what it said
Awesome video, gives me hope hearing this and what to look for as a growing streamer. Would love to hear more details what some of those streaming days were like before you were big.
I don't understand any of the terminology, but this was very moving.
I know these feels. The SC2 community (outside of the game) is toxic as fuck. Regardless of how goody good or nice personalities in the scene act most of SC2 people seem greedy af underneath their facades and will eat their own for their own interests and $$$. They all just want their own piece of the "SC2 pie" and it's even worse since the game is near dead atm so there's not even much pie left over, which makes people more desperate. It was even worse at the game's height like you described when there was basically the "old guy's club" that you had to break into.
Sad thing is it's the same thing nowadays just a "new guys club" instead, but instead of fighting over the badass Ferrari that SC2 used to be they're just fighting over bread crumbs and a paper boat. SC2 never learns lol. It's probably a reason why the community shrunk quite a bit over the years compared to what it used to be. Instead of everyone wishing success to other players and personalities in the community for years it feels like everyone just wanted everyone else to fail.
Everything you mentioned in this video is why myself and a lot of other people have a lot of respect for you. I also took the same lone wolf approach you took specifically with regards to SC2 streaming because it has always felt like networking with SC2 people there'll be a knife in your back at some point lol xD
Hey Destiny, here is my advice on the matter which I will follow up with a little backstory as to why I choose to take this stance:
Try one. Take them aboard, but make sure they understand how what they did made your situation look like. Their point of view would have been massively different from yours and that is not an excuse, it is how life is. I would also expect that you, at the time, did not make it clear to them in a civil talk. The reason this is important is that there is a chance that you have a lot to gain as they will know that you appreciate their help and want them to be concious about your needs as well as their own, as you were to theirs in the past. But just tell him/her how you felt and see if they realize the last part by themselves.
Now, for my reason for giving this advice: I was studying with a friend in a university and we shared a group of friends that we hung out with. I started going out with one of the girls and my life was awesome, but suddenly over christmas break none of my friends wanted to talk to me or hang out anymore. I didn't understand anything, even her and my good friend who was also a childhood friend didn't respond to my messages and when in class they always sat down away from me with a guy I'd never seen before. After 2 months of this friendless clueless hell I was told that he was an ex of the girl and that it would be awkward if I showed up when he was there. And he was always there... In short those 6 months fucked me hard mentally and I was "saved" when another friend from home moved to the uni and started there and asked if I wanted to live with him. That was awesome and I can really relate to how it is when that doesn't happen for a long time. Anyways after a year or so I started talking to the friend who had stopped answering my calls and all. We talked a lot now and then and over about 3-6 months we figured out eachothers side of the story and he was very sorry about what had happened. He appologized a lot and has been a good friend ever since. Now 5 years later we are very good friends and he really makes sure to pay attention to me like a real friend which feels very good. People don't want to be evil to you, they just don't understand how evil what they do can be to you. So just try to make them understand that they owe you something and you owe them nothing from your point of view, but you are willing to cooperate or help because you want them to succeed and you think that they have the potential to give you something.
Hope this helps, and ye I'm not a memer like most of your viewers. My jokes are way too bad for that stuff.
hey man you have my respect. i think you have changed in the last couple of years. for the better. and from a emotional person to you (no i didnt cry) but i do recognize you have changed. :D
I really liked this format man, nice video dad
Good shit, dude. I can empathize with a lot of your situations/sentiments, especially the helping people and wanting them to succeed without necessarily getting anything back, or the figuring out things on your own (though maybe to a lesser extent). I don't know you personally, so I can't say anything about your relationships, but I have troubles opening up to people and like to keep an emotional distance. You may naturally have "thick skin", but I hope you're not doing something similar to me and simply blocking off your feelings towards/around people, because in the long run it can have its own problems. You seem pretty content with streaming and life in general, so maybe I'm completely off-base in which case disregard my comment, I'm not trying to diagnose you with anything. Anyway I love your content, especially the talks, looking forward to more.
annihilated
We love you destiny
We've been there
Thats all u need
Destiny a bit off topic. But how do you feel about the new video thumbnails on your channel. I liked the old style because they were different and stood out from the generic clickbaity style of other TH-camrs videos. I understand it may help get more $ this way though
really enjoyed the vid dude, you'll figure out what to do. I don't think you have much to gain from the starcraft community from what I've heard; I don't think it matters that much anyway since most of their viewers probably already know about you so there's not much potential for viewer increase.
This video actually explains a lot. Thanks for the insight bud.
I remember the Root incident being a lot more damaging than you portray it in the video. Mind you, it's been a long time, and you'd clearly have a more vivid memory. CatZ had his own set of problems, and he dealt with them the way he knew how -- he isn't perfect. You talk about being financially responsible in relation to MLG. What would the responsibility look like if you were managing a team that had a public relations nightmare?
I'd suggest considering all aspects at a time when you're hyper-rational, as you seem to be in a more emotional state of mind. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying step back and make certain you're not having one-dimensional views.
when the length of your head is bigger then your shoulder width
Destiny is super cute
1. It's about finding an ethical reason not to that it not based on gut feeling. Go watch his extended discussion about incest, where he shows valid and non-valid arguments against it (you won't).
2. Laughing is not the same as finding something funny. He regrets it. I'm sure you never laughed about anything bad that happened, or did you?
3. What is wrong with that statement? There is a clear difference.
4. I don't know the context, sounds like Destiny fuckery to me though. Then again, I'm sure you are not aware of the context either.
5. Is it? You seem to claim it is. Why?
Anyway, good job on summarizing naked ape's totally not salty very well supported video that was made directly after he got hung up on by Destiny for being impossible to talk to.
Yeah, that gun thing was my only point. Take the one point where I explicitly express no contextual knowledge. That seems like the brave man's approach. And the whole laughing thing: Yes, I said that people ONLY laugh as a way to cope with something. Oh wait, I did not. I never claimed that. Way to deliberately straw-man an argument.
My actual claims were:
- I don't know the context, but it sounds like fuckery (you know, the kind of banter that may be out of line but it not an actual threat or admission of guilt? Note that I, once again, prefaced this by stating ignorance on the specifics (just like you).
- You can laugh at things that hurt you.
Which one of those is impossible to accept and why? Try not coming back with sarcasm and talking about God etc.
On a side note (so don't make the entire response just about this comment), if you don't care that people like Destiny, why did you comment such a toxic attack on a comment stating that he is cute?
I was talking about his appearance voice and mannerisms. Anything he said whether u agree with it or not has nothing to do with those things
My problem is that without knowing anything else but that quote that was mined by somebody, you equate getting a gun permit (which I'm against in all cases) with intending to kill somebody, because it fits the narrative of a wacky Destiny.
I don't object to pointing out faults of Destiny. There have been plenty of them in the past. My problem is that you clearly went in here with your opinion already solidified by watching some youtube videos that criticized him just to step on people's toes. In addition, most of the quotes were not bad ones at all, if you include just the slightest of context other than the one sentence posted.
Now you can call me a echo-chamber dwelling, God worshopping fanatic. I can say that I'm not but you won't believe me anyway, because I challenged your claims and therefore fit your mental glove of being a cucked SJW. If I'd tell you I actively avoid circle jerking in conversations that wouldn't help either: I'm sure I'd either be bad company to talk with or lying.
But have fun in attacking Destiny as a response on random comments and insulting anyone who defends him against you malformed attacks.
Alright man, then we're done. Have fun with your angry beliefs about the world. I hope you'll change.
I genuinely sent an email to das way back when asking them to sponsor you.
I don't know if you'll read this Steven but I enjoyed your video. I'm not sure whether you should help these people that kind of left you out to dry in the past. Do you believe in karma at all? You talked about how Steel and Hafu helped you with some sponsor stuff despite them not really knowing you very well, and not really having too much to gain from it. I think they just did it because they were kind. I guess I do think that you should help these people from the past that are reaching out to you. I'm sure if you had the opportunity you would pay back Steel and Hafu with something similar, so maybe you just have to trust that the people you help will keep what you did in the back of their minds.
Don't let others dictate to you how you behave, be the change you want to see in others.
The thing Steven doesn't understand is, though yes he may have been super popular, he was super controversial. So much so that he was probably quite the liability and a gamble to try to defend. It's easy for him to vilify the teams he was on or around now that he sits on mount hindsight, and yet he takes no responsibility for the massive baggage he dragged around with him. It's too bad because I, and I would imagine many others are still fans of both Catz and Destiny, though shit happens, and all must end I suppose.
Dear Editor.
Senpai's sorry.
Love,
Maya.
Be more emotional, I think it'll be healthier for you, more than you might think. Sometimes I can't help but feel like you seem to be holding back or bottling up emotions although I know you've talked about how you aren't in the past. I just wish you the best, get in touch with your feelios. It'll probably help with trying to undestand other peoples feelings better, which I know you strive for.
You seem mostly reasonable in this video, although I reckon most of it is just due to the nature of how the game is played in the world of fame. And alot of people probably feel the same way about being left alone playing the famegame, it's often talked alot about in interviews of biographies of famed people. It's probably why alot of popular people also always tend to put alot of effort into building contacts and bridges, not saying you haven't, but they've probably heard or learnt how important it is, or can be. I've also seen this being suggested alot when people looking to grow a following or get growing are asking for advice.
Keep at it with the memes, ignore the ear comments, and stay smart. I love you, be careful.♥
R.I.P Monday Mail 2016-2017
Hegel wrote about this and you can find paragraphs with "Intelligent love."
Did you ever consider that those things not happening has something to do with your own attitude?
TFW it's too zoomed in and it looks like Destiny is staring into your soul monkaS
anyone wanna mention his shoulders or should I do it
I actually identify with a lot of this, and I bet a lot of your other viewers do too.
I don't mean the particulars of your e-sports/based meme god life, but instead the perspective of growing up and having to fend for yourself, not having a group of people feeding you how-tos, and developing a certain work ethic (while still being able to be lazy)
This independent resourcefullness is definitely a source of strength and identity (unlike skin color or gender)
Dem Feels Steven.
But you know what, you are great dude.
You are our dude :^)
Steven have you ever thought about writing book? I'd be willing to say it would be a damn good read.
If you ever need a physicist to talk to, I'm here for you buddy.
I still use the same Das Keyboard that I bought back then because of you :l
I know you might not read this comment, but im here for you my dude. I dont have any major games you can cast, but im here. much love.
let me know if you ever need music for your stuff
Are you sure you don't like to burn bridges anymore?
Destroyed, wow got debate in this Destiny
WAIT how is chat in this you recorded this off stream no?
interesting video didnt knew that Destiny beeing a biiig streamer back in the old old days
I can't believe you thought MLG would still want you to cast after no-showing their events! You were right to if they weren't paying you, but after after not doing the events it obviously sends a message that you don't want to cast for them.
Also Catz seems like a cool dude you shouldn't throw away a friendship just because it doesn't benefit your career.
Sonic was my hero growing up, so I became a ugandan knuckles
man, you need to try the Destiny The Bungie Game community in twitch! one of the best if not the best! maybe when destiny 2 comes out in PC but if you want to be part of an awesome community Destiny (the bungie game) is awesome and i'm sure some of the big streamers right there would love to help you!
I love you Destiny!
I think you've disregarded the persona you had when being an sc2 pro. I'm certain you never seeked out help because you never wanted to, not because it wasn't available. Also you were known for being "politically incorrect" and being quite bm to the community as a whole. So giving you the luxury of casting tournaments or propping you up to be the best of the best of the community would have been a mistake.
Seems like Destiny see a difference between professional relationships and personal relationships. I guess from CatZ perspective he thought they were real friends, but Destiny always saw him as a professional connection.
I'm gonna go all out Freud here.
You don't have a life that's sperated from your work, others do. Most people have their work, hobby and personal life separated, you don't.
You want what's essentially your colleagues to be loyal childhood friends, social buddies and perhaps even family, so you find their support lacking when they don't live up to that expectation.
That's probably why you've been successful as well. You eat, sleep and shit at work. All you do is work and you don't even realize it.
Was there some drama recently where Destiny had to come out with this information?
SICK INTRO!
Haha badass , nothings perfect but always good to see someone positively build on individuality in strange ways.
That said it is not always a sustainable method to go it alone! Managing people for ones own gain seems to require a sense of that individuality going it alone...but I wonder if it is emotionally stable or mentally healthy. Pioneering into gaming seems to be most sustainable when one can be the rockstar that nobody remembers is a rockstar . Political Divisions and having enemies takes the focus off the “easy money” sure seems to be helping the trump herd however.
I remember watching you during every one of the career events you described
Should've posted that thing you added to the description as Pinned comment under video.
I just randomly noticed the disclaimer. Others might not.
Would you ever do a best of Starcraft like a diary from start to finish with video snippets as I've only really got back in to MMOs since getting a PS4, I played Legend of Mir, Ultima online and Star Wars Galaxies till my old HP died. So I have an interest in these games and there culture recently I've got in to DC Universe online and Star Trek online, and soon I'll be doing the Riddle of Steel on Conan Outcasts. So if you did do a video series on the subject I'd watch it.
Destiny is Drake to the sc2 community
This is pretty sad. I don't know whether I would help these people or not in this situation.
My dude.
BibleThump
if youre to helpful to others, ofcourse they are gonna take advantage of you. dont forget sc 2 is an industry where money are involved, its bussiness
If u need help with hardware n shit you can message me FeelsGoodMan
I thought Destiny and Nathanias were the same person.
Why isn't this shown in my sub box ?
That jaw micro is on point
I know you're right about mechanical keyboards, I got one because of you LOL
I'm honestly a bit stunned, the root thing seems like it was really rough.
I still have my DAS blue switch from 2012 that I bought because of your stream.
no intro?
I relate to this quite a bit within my own friend group lol.
Destiny didn't even come CLOSE to winning this debate!
Ill be your gandalf on the hill Destiny
Lel, Destiny's sorry Garykov
dennis is awesome. thats true.