In regards to the statement at the beginning, esp around 3:30, Id like to cite a good friend of mine, Yedoye: For the people who cite japan's age of consent in casual conversation, you are a part of the reason they still shouldnt allow international travel out of the U.S. If you need a law to tell you its creepy... well... you're probably creepy yourself...
I hate it because the age of consent in Japan isn’t even 13 in most prefectures. In most places it’s been raised to 18 or older. The two prefectures where it’s 13 basically have like two people living there. Smh.
Hard agree. Legality is not morality. Laws are often old and reflections of racist/sexist/otherwise terrible ideas of the time and are often not updated because of the long legal processes involved. "It's the law" is a terrible argument when the argument we're having is a moral one, since laws don't always reflect current moral standards.
Me : *tries to explain that the age of consent in my country is 15 and that as such, I did the thing with my girlfriend when I was 16* Americans : *calls me a creepy pervert* "eh law and morality are different" Ok then explain why your law is more moral than ours ? Do you realise how pretencious this argument is ?
Also gonna add to age of consent arguments: just because it is legal doesn't mean it is right. Psychological studies have proven that children and teens are not developmentally equipped to understand the long term effects of sex and cannot consent because they don't know what they are doing. It has been proven harmful to their development to engage in sex, especially with an older partner, at those young ages. Choosing to use that as an excuse is just legally harming children instead of illegally doing it
@@Sergio-wc1wn by that llogic a 1000 year old loli should not act like a child because shes a kid in "dragon years" , but a full adult even if she looked like a loli
@@Sergio-wc1wn there are actually a few people advocating raising the age of consent above 18. I personally think we should adapt and think of "age ranges" a bit more than a magic number that makes you an adult. I'm not a medical professional though, so I have no idea what developmental ranges that should be. But maybe if we provide better sexual education, including information about consent and power imbalances, we can help teens protect themselves by being better able to spot an older adult trying to take advantage of them. Maybe we should look at ranges like 18-20 amongst themselves, but no way a 25 year old should be messing with an 18 year old. 21-24 because that's just being able to drink and maybe getting ready to leave college or already have been in the workforce for a few years, 25+ because by then your brain is developed. Again, not a psychologist or anything. Somebody smarter than me has to figure out the exact developmental age ranges that people within that age range can consent amongst themselves
10:10 As someone familiar with the original version "Don't like, Don't Read", I think it should be noted this originally came from the Fanfic community, and is in reference to reading fics with darker stuff that is explicitly stated in the description/tags, e.g. Major Character Death; Hurt/No Comfort; Dead Dove, Do Not Eat; ect. It is not a defence against criticizing the work, just that you shouldn't force yourself to read it if it is something you know you won't like, especially if it's explicitly stated by the author.
exactly, the point is “if youre not looking for a fic with a mc death, then dont read. and if you do, don’t complain” when other people use ‘dont like, dont read/watch’ in reference for the blatant or subtle red flags its wrong. dont like, dont read/watch is a statment for opinions, personal preferences. its not a defense, it’s basically a tag warning
if u dont like something, dont view it but if u dont like something bcuz it negatively affects a certain group of ppl or urself, u can make a fuss abt it. (repsectfully and civilly, duh)
PRECISELY. And I think another thing that's important to keep in mind is that fanfic is fundamentally different in a few different ways, the audiences tend to be much smaller, they are being created usually by one person working alone, maybe you've got a friend or someone who likes your work helping with editing but even that is rare, and they're almost always not monetized. There are a wide variety of reasons that it makes sense to have different standards for fanfic than for published works.
"The problem with cancel culture is that it removes any possibility of growth." This line right here is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I admit I don't agree with all of your videos, but was really really happy to hear that. People can change and what is common knowledge at any given time has every right to be destroyed--as what is common knowledge now may not be 25 years down the road.
Cancel culture is such a buzzword and is only really a thing that comes up on twitter so best thing to do to avoid it is to avoid having a presence on twitter
I'm someone who believes that a person shouldn't be canceled for the comments/jokes they make or media they create/consume. The only time someone probably should be cancelled is if they're actively harming others or speaking of harming people. And even then, they should still be given a second chance if they show signs of improving. People are people with their own viewpoints and experiences and they can still grow.
@@SaiyanGamer95 Unless harming others is justified depending on why they do it. Especially if it’s a reaction to some other suffering that they themselves would’ve went through if, they did #not shut down the source of that pain & suffering with initiating pain & suffering???
The thing people keep missing is, fiction can’t override an existing, strongly held belief, but if you have a gap in knowledge, fiction can fill it with misinformation. Everybody knows that murder is wrong but nobody knows a shark. That’s the problem, and that’s why violent video game comparisons don’t work here.
to add to that, at the end of the day, it's not the fictional work's job to educate you. jaws wasn't meant as an educative movie, and nsfw art is not meant to be sex ed. if a child stumbles upon say a fiction that portrays incest without explicitly condemning it, and they didn't have enough education about romantic and sexual relationship so they had to fill the gap with whatever was in that fic, it's not the author's fault but their parents for not having that talk with them. Same goes for even for vanilla nsfw content. if a teen is having unsafe sex because most characters in fics don't use protection, that's not the author's fault but the education system's for not giving enough sex ed. and now even author's are conscious of it and try to give as much warnings as possible, tags like "unsafe sexual practices" and "dead dove, do not eat" are here for that (for those who don't know, dead dove do not eat basically mean: this work contains morally questionable/reprehensible/wrong content, said content won't be explicitly condaimned if at all, but the author knows said content is wrong) tldr: if someone, and especially someone young, get wrong messages from work that was not meant to be informative, especially nowadays when author's tag and put warnings on the most "problematic" content, it's not the author's fault/responsibility, but the educational system for not already educating them on the subject. and that's why we should prioritize making sex ed available to all (for those interested scarleteen have very good queer-friendly resources on the matter)
I am Japanese, about the age of consent thing in Japan, its not that anybody thinks its okay that the age is 13, and there has been talks about changing it many times and what it usually boils down to is "then what age do we change it to?" and nobody can agree on it be 16, 18 or even 20, and usually just settle down on "well every local government has made their decision on it why not leave it at that." Also its not like a bunch of 13 year old girls are getting married or pregnant left and right so, its not like there is major pressure to raise it for prevention.
Honest question though: Is Anime & Manga seen as Problematic or is it just a minor western perspective? I heard that a majority of Japanese don't even watch anime because there's no time for it. Manga on the other hand is read by everyone of all ages. But is it Problematic as this video claims?
@@Mecks089 Well the way I see it its the same as video games cause violence debate. Also statistics I really find it a bit disingenuous when you don't show actual numbers and trends in them, for example say the number of gun violence related deaths in Japan rose 200%, that would be about 4 people dying of guns a year. But you can still say gun violence in Japan has exploded can't you?
@@saifis That depends on the context of the reports. The term Gun Violence is also very obtuse, as it can mean many different incidents in regarding a gun-related crimes. Was it a home accident? Hunting accident? Isolated incident? Mugging/Robbing? Homicide? Police dispute Issue? Gang Issue? An American Army Base issue? There needs to be more context involved otherwise it's just a blur of a result.
@@Mecks089 That is exactly what I said I'm not sure why you are rephrasing what I said, my point is using numbers and graphs to show your point often times have setbacks especially when you are compared 2 graphs from different sources, often times won't support your point but becomes a point that will unravel it.
I thought the 13 yo thing itself was only "legal" if the partner was also young, am I mistaken? I thought it was still very much illegal for anyone over 18 to be with a literal child. Yeah I don't care how you try to justify it, at 13 you are a child.
Remember when it was revealed Isao Takahata, one of the founders of Ghibli, purpose worked people to the death of their careers and even their own deaths? Dude practically killed off an entire generation's worth of artists and literally worked to death others cause he demanded perfection. People even knew and confronted him about it and he just kinda nodded to it at one of their character designer's funeral (who was 47)
Man I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned about cancel culture It always bugged me that cancelling someone sort of robs them of the chance to change their behavior and learn. Human beings are not infallible. Maybe it's naive of me to think so, but I wanna believe most people are willing to listen and change when merely called out instead of cancelled
I believe that *a lot* of people are willing to listen and change. But, I think *most people* aren't willing to listen and change, because they haven't deeply considered that they could be wrong. People don't automatically recognize that there is an actual problem in many circumstances, so defensiveness and insincere apologies are a major concern.
A guy who was "cancelled" for raping 2 women killed himself yesterday... The news were all like "venezuelan writter kills himself" and no one was like "rapist kills himself to avoid jail" wich is what really happened...
Its touchy too, because, I think that the news referring to someone as "rapist" before conviction can be equally dangerous. But once he or she is convicted, then go all out, call 'em whatever.
@@gingercore69 I would agree that him admitting it is damning evidence. However under the law it's usually what you can prove and not the evidence itself that determines innocence or guilty
That's not what 'cancelling' generally refers to, and the people it affects aren't usually literal criminals who would otherwise be dealt with by the justice system anyway, you know.
I KNOW RIGHT! that's what I'm thinking. I'm a digital artist- also a minor- and I'd like to say I'm actually more educated on pedophilia topics than most gen z adults out there. Just puts it in perspective how narrow-minded you can be when you're defending something that you consume. Problematic media is problematic, no matter who *you* are. (This isn't directed at you! ^^)
Bugs bunny taught me that bunnies eat carrots when in reality carrots are unhealthy for them. I learned that two months ago. Art has a vice grip on humanity.
@@RezieThe3rd2480 If you believe in such a thing as "problematic" art you can't be an artist. You will never even understand what the concept it from the outside, let alone be one. You're either with the book burners or against it. Keep trying to tie everything with whatever crime you're imagining currently all you want. A art-hating censor you are and a art-hating censor you will remain.
The funny part about it being more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark is that it's all because of human vanity. People getting mad at vending machines and shaking them causing them to fall over. In the end, we are always our own worst enemy.
It is important to note that people have been afraid of sharks loooooong before Jaws, there are literally ancient myths about sea creatures based on sharks. Jaws did not cause the fear of sharks, and had no noticeable effect son shark populations.
@leo For some reason youtube isn't letting me paste the link. Just search "psychologytoday media myth". They lay out how the decrease in shark population hasn't significantly increased since the release of Jaws, and that even the writer of Jaws said that he based the story on fears that were already common at the time.
You are handling this shockingly, shockingly level headed. The amount of empathy reasonableness while still holding boundaries is actually super refreshing.
The age of consent in Japan is not 13 idk why people always get that wrong but no one under 18 can walk into an adult store, or go to a AV shop if they are under 18, or even 20, etc. ALL the same rules apply. There are many efforts to raise the minimum age, its not just accepted in society or something like that.
I think the reason plenty of people get it is because of the constant spreading of that misinformation. Even searching up what Japans age of consent is it says 13. And even me myself was confused for the longest time about what Japans age of consent was, as plenty of people were saying that the age of consent was 13 in general,that the age of consent differed depending on the region of of where you were at in Japan or that 13 was the age of consent for teens aged 13-17 and the that the general age of consent was 18. Hope that explains it.
it's only some areas with the 13 age of consent in major cities and like a lot of prefectures in Japan it's 18 but it can go as low as 16 if there is parental consent.
This might be the most nuanced video essay I've seen talking about this subject. I see a lot of takes that are either "fiction never has any consequences" or "eww this media/author is gross, right? let's all sit around and agree about how gross they are and how much better we are for hating them". It's refreshing to hear "media does affect reality but solving the problems it causes is not as simple as flinging hate at the creators/consumers and sometimes that hinders their mistakes getting fixed."
Which is why difficult issues are either brushed aside or hurr-durr'd - when you sit around agreeing how morally superior you are for liking/disliking something you get instant gratification for zero effort, meanwhile trying to actually solve problematic issues is a job for a lifetime and it may ultimately fail anyway. People don't like putting in effort for things that don't affect them personally, but they sure do like being with the "good guys".
"Just use Piracy please" Me living in Argentina: Wait... do I actually had to pay for all the anime I consume all these years? I thought it was for free!
I’m Japanese and Jesus Christ thank you you’re the only youtuber who actually corrected the age of consent!! It’s literally like, 13 no where here ! But government grandpas please change the minimum LOL
@@Direblade11 They have separate laws specifically for dealing with foreign nationalists. If your an American age of consent is 18, no exceptions. Some countries might allow 16 so japan will allow it but no younger 16 it's cut off there. 13 is permissible in some prefectures for Japanese national only be it omeai or simply parental approved no exceptions, never foreigners.
@Lionard Kirsch It's not as common as it use to be but arranged marriages of that type still happen. Wealthy married off to wealthy. Most omei aren't real arranged marriages anymore either, in older people who have had no luck or failed at dating might sign up for speed date or cruse strangely enough they also have mass weddings. Parental pressure does play a big role in actual arranged marriage tho. And a lot of the ones you think are kids really aren't. There's a lot more what westerners would refer to as legal loli than you think.
I always find people that bring up the age of consent as an argument weird. Like, just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's morally fine. Legality and morality aren't the same thing.
And it is only half true. The age of consent is NOT 13 in Japan, the Prefectures decide the age of consent much like how the State law decides it in the USA, 13 is the lowest any Prefecture could set it under Federal Law. None of the Prefectures I could find data on have the age consent under 16. Tokyo Prefecture has the same age of Consent as California in the US which is 18
While i am against most of her arguments in regards to her talking about loliart, and that it apparently is a problem of any kind, i will say, i agree with your statement, the "age of consent" and the "she's 5000 years old" arguments are bad, and don't really prove anything.
Yeah fiction is fiction and reality is reality they can do whatever they want in fiction and that’s fine but to mix fiction and reality you gotta be someone on the delusional side.
An interesting thing about doing more research is that sometimes it can actually make something that looks problematic seem a lot less so. I was really disturbed the first time I heard the story of Shakespeare’s the taming of the shrew, as I think a lot of people are, but learning the context around it made me realize that it was actually extremely progressive for its time. It was basically a commentary on a certain style of comedic plays where the whole joke was a guy beating his wife into submission. All of the sudden a story that looked like it was about extreme abuse came to me in a story about saying hey, don’t beat up your wife. Even if she’s awful. She will come to love you more if you are kind to her. And while any given person may or may not agree with the idea that she ought to be submitting to him in the end, it is a big difference from looking at it from a modern perspective. Anyway I just thought that was interesting
I feel like another reason people get so up in arms about fiction effecting reality is because of the whole "video games are making kids more violent" or "this music is satanic and corrupting our kids" purity culture. There's this whole thing where everything either has to be absolutely pure and unproblematic, or nothing is problematic in the first place.
There's also the wishful ideal of "Fiction *shouldn't* affect reality." Obviously it's... not really the case. It should be. But it's not. We can't have nice things because humans are humans and humans do stupid human things and make stupid human assumptions. The laser-focused pattern recognition we possess works against us and will make false patterns and extrapolate them into places they don't belong. It happens with taking things out of fiction, it's why conspiracy theories spiral out of control, it's why things like cancel culture can send a whole mob against someone completely innocent. Because as much as our rational mind can separate a boundary between reality and fiction, the primal parts of the brain are still stupid monkeys that can't tell a difference between a reflection and a photo. I hope that one day we can leave that part of our psyche behind us, because good lord are we not going to grow as a species as long as our ancient survival instincts actively work against our society and world evolving so much faster than our squishy processor up there. It's why social media is a terrible blight that causes people to actively *regress* socially, because humans just are NOT designed to handle how the worst parts of our psyches can easily be brought out online.
That's what we call the objection to new media, and that's been a thing forever. Crime and detective series (like Sherlock Holmes) used to be taboo because people thought it would make people want to go out and kill. Hell, even the written word was rejected by many cultures for the longest time because they thought it would make people unable to think if they weren't required to retain all that information in their head. Among the different protests of new media include, but are not limited to: Motion pictures "Talkies" (talking in motion pictures) Technicolor (Color in movies) Home TVs Color TVs Multiple channels Cable TV remotes Video players Home video cameras The internet Email Instant Messaging systems Emoticons (now Emojis) Horror novels Romance novels Erotica Pornography Board games Card games Video games Comic books D&D Virtual reality Radio Dancing The new music of the 20s The new music of the 30s The new music of the 40s The new music of the 50s The new music of the 60s The new music of the 70s The new music of the 80s The new music of the 90s The new music of the 2000s The new music of the New Tens Jazz Rock & Roll Heavy metal Rap Karaoke Music in foreign languages Foreign-made media Vinyl records 8 Track Laserdisc Digital formatting Internet memes And that's just the short list from the last century. The first settlers here in America were of an extremely radical fringe that effectively got booted out of England after they tried to assassinate the king, and believed color is a gateway for the devil.
Some people are afraid to engage in things in a non-black-and-white way it seems. Shows a lack of ability or willingness to actually think and critically examine these things with your own brain
Cancel culture is super toxic, Ive seen people getting attacked on twitter in swarms just for liking something "they" deemed problematic, and it isnt even that problematic imo, this hurts ppl so much, being sent death threats, I felt so bad for those who are ostracized, cancel culture and twitter is the most toxic thing. Ostracizing people who do something minorly offensive is the opposite of making someone more tolerant.
Yeah, being worried is fine, i guess, but how about 'acting'? I mean, I am kinda levels beyond your 'worry' already and have already done a lot. I have made it my Hobby to be the Opposite of cancel-culture; something i hope you at least know is possible? Cause it would be really sad if you dont? Cancel-Culture has made people, after all, believe that use of the report/flag-option, for example, is now 'eeeevvvillll', which is of course hilariously wrong, duh. I meanwhile actively search and confirm problematic content, like Racists (mind this really just being an example cause this comment is already getting too long...), so they get deleted. So if ever making or even just watching TH-cam-Videos about 'Being Worried' is not enough for you anymore (cause why would it) and you wanna act - tell me. I know a way.
Online harassment isn’t canceling, it’s cyber bullying. If you want to cancel something or someone, just delete them from your life! Harassment is never good, no matter who it’s directed at. Trust me, well thought out criticisms are the way to go if you really want to bring attention to problematic behavior.
I just want to say how much of a breath of fresh air it is to see someone address literally some of my least favorite things that people actively ignore in the anime community. I just really enjoy watching your videos.
she calling out a community saying things like "these elements needs to fix because i dont like them", imagine you hear someone talking shit about your tastes, you go on and defend it or at least try to reason with the offense, them your called a pedo by a stranger that doesnt know you, because you like Dragon maid.. Every video she did except for the Dragon maid and Isekai are SO GOOD... because she says things people ignore in Nice Shows. but the two exceptions are a Rant on other shows that she didn't even cared for but complained about it anyway like they had a problem needed to be fixed.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 The Dragon Maid video was also good. the Isekai one had valid arguments, but Re:Zero wasn’t a good example since it’s a deconstruction of the genre and needed to set up the stereotypical parts of Isekai so it could break them down. I’m not the biggest fan of Re:Zero, but I can safely say that it’s the exact opposite of a power fantasy. It sucks because people are going to be using the Re:Zero part to dismiss her opinions on everything else she talked about. As for the Dragon Maid video, she didn’t miss, not once. I’m not saying that if you enjoy the show or like Kanna (platonic or parental love only) then you’re a ped0, but Kanna and Saikawa are sexualized constantly, Iruru too. They’re all minors, so it’s gross. I enjoy the show, but I can still acknowledge that Dragon Maid is like, 20% ped0 bait.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 honestly i think she should focus on what she likes, since that isekai video felt unfair as she'd generalize why people like certain shows despite the fact she's only watched 4
@@blitz4506 she didn't generalize in the video she says that you can like something and accept it's issues, which is good, because that wsy the problems can change. Specially if you have been in cons and have seen the amount of harrasment there is because people think that because they see those actions in anime they should be done in real life
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Hey not sure if you missed it but at 1:38 she mentioned that she's going in good faith that the people who disagreed with her original video either are confused or just disagree. She never called them pedos. Also she had a whole section from about 14:38 - 18:28 about how people aren't bad for liking problematic media, including dragons maid. The issue isn't liking dragons maid and the issue isn't the dragons maid community as a whole. Hell she didn't even critique the dragons maid community as a whole in either of her videos. Its not the community, its the media itself. And even then its not like the whole media is shiet, she even says at 11:43 "The problem was not that I didn't like dragon maid, the problem was that it perpetuated harmful imagery of sexualized children, which is harmful to children"
As a trans person, I really appreciate that you're standing up for us. I live in a country where homophobia and transphobia are rampant and trans people get ridiculed and mocked on TV (my main reason for not coming out), even murdered in some parts of the country. Still, knowing people like you from my internet circles are actively speaking to defend us gives me hope. From the bottom of my heart, thank you. ❤
@@TheDarkAngel969 Is she? She did show shotacon stuff when talking about supposed harmfullness of sexualizing children, so she likely considers shotas bad too. Just stating facts, I don't agree with her, but I don't think she is a hypocrite.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad Japan has the lowest rates in Sexual Child Abuse cases compared to the rest of the world, including being lower than America, which lil miss Noralitie happily boasted Merica about. Not defending such actions but her information is far from the truth. And she knows it. One of her sources literally stated that "There is no clear connection with Loli/Shota Media being tied to the abuse cases. The only thing that is large in rates, are the Physical Abuse cases and Neglect.
As one of the new subscribers, I can't express enough how important it was to hear someone express their discontent about media. Having shaped a lot of my opinions on "being one of the boys", it feels like I'm finally uncovering some ""dark and sad"" truth about what I'm consuming and how I'm ignoring some of its less-than-ideal to outright-disgusting aspects.
Oh my goodness! I can't agree more! All this sexualizing in anime just flew over my head and I used to see it as normal, but after noralities pointed it out it opened my eyes.
@@murderman8578 they aren't really... sexualization of characters in the anime and manga industry is absolutely rampant. even minors. they're being a little melodramatic, sure but not wrong.
Where I live an author was arrested for writing about minors being sexually assaulted in the context of a horror story. He was found not guilty and released, but the point is, no one was defending what he wrote, everyone agreed it was disgusting. People only defended the freedom to write and that’s it. Also, the fact that it was a horror story. What he wrote wasn’t framed as cute or hot. It was there to make you feel uncomfortable Edit: a lot of y’all are blaming the liberals or sjw’s or whatever but it was actually 30 year old moms that had problems with it from what I’ve seen Edit: Also I’ve been thinking. It does bring up some interesting points. If a p*do writes and/or reads and... enjoys... books like Lolita... it’s not inherently wrong? I mean, it's disgusting but they're not harming anyone. I’d rather they’d be doing that than like sexually assaulting minors. But does reading these make them want the irl version more than if they hadn’t? Is it a good outlet or does it make them more dangerous to everyone around?
I believe in the Freedom of Art just like most French People also do. There shouldn’t be limits to art and Anime is in my Opinion an Art form even when some People argue it’s too commercialized but for me it’s Art. All this talking about Cancel this Cancel that wich mostly come from Leftist Circles in the USA and spread all over the World annoys me even Media in my Country like to have articles about how problematic certain old Movies or even Cartoons like Lucky Luke are and that you shouldn’t Watch them anymore that BS you have to see This Media in the Context of the time it was made and on top not everything have to be 100 % Political Correct. Lucky Luke for example is a Parodie of Western Movies and the Tropes / Stereotypes you find in these Movies it’s a Satire and the Stereotypical Characters are there to Satirize those Western Movies who also Had these Stereotypes
@@athroneoflies8785 though he isn’t praised for being racist, and isn’t forgotten not because he is racist but because he pioneered a genre of horror that has shaped horror media today. Him being racist doesn’t take away from what he has done for art.
In my country there are some podcasts that do talk about these things in animes (there’s also one that is fully devouted to watch and criticize really really bad animes, members are pretty masochysts), but i do agree there should be way more.
@@brandonlyon730 I disagree, I know people who have critical thinking that either disliked Re:Zero or liked it despite acknowledging its flaws, nothing is above criticism. Also, many of the responses were quite aggresive on twitter tbh, I really do wonder if she commited that much of a mistake or if people were just overly defensive with passion (which is how people reacted on TLOU2 or The Last Jedi on the internet btw. Yes I'm bringing them up, I don't care if its offtopic or if they went against fandom desires, because the hate was SUPER disproportional)
I really respect how clear and concise you are about your stances on various issues. Everything we see in anime and in media in general. I'm typically not a critical thinker, so your videos have really helped me reflect and expand upon existing opinions I've had. I guess I just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do on this platform!
we consume a foreign culture, we don't have influence over it, discussions about whats right or wrong is pointless unless its done there, her "theres a problem with X" doesn't fix it, only makes those who don't care angry. and being on the angry side of the internet nowadays is pretty much asking to be cancelled
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 and yet we do have influence over it. because anime keeps getting subbed or dubbed into English. and crunchyroll exists. I have a feeling you're just very uncomfortable with having your very favorite thing - anime - being criticised. I know it's nice to have a show you love, a community, and friends who love it too. nobody is trying to take these away from you.
"Media does affect reality." "When someone starts crying or laughing during an emotional part of a movie, informing them that the situation "is not real" is meaningless, because their feelings are real." This reminds me so much of the Danganronpa V3 ending and the whole "truth, lie, fiction" thing; it's unfortunate how much the great lessons the game offered about these topics were unnoticed by people.
No, fuck this game. That game killed one of the first female protagonist not from an otome visual novel in favor of a "default status quo" male protagonist for self-inserting, waifu culture, otaku-pandering and fanservice for straight guys. And there's also the false advertising, because they advertised it as having a female protagonist, so I bought it super happy thinking I'd finally be able to play as girl in a visual novel not being a romance otome game. killing or incapacitating a female character in order to develop a male character is an old sexist trope very harmful for women representation in entertainment media and it's popularly called "fridging" or "fridge".
@@liafigueiredo9055 I feel like buying any piece of media for the sake of having a specific kind of protagonist is a mistake. Buy something for the story and entertainment.
Instead of saying, "I cannot be held responsible for information I don't know," you should've said, "I am not responsible for the money after it leaves my hands." It's something a lot of people tend to confuse when it comes to giving money. They see giving a street guy money as supporting a drug habit, meanwhile they just came out of a liquor store and are going to be having boxed wine for dinner. There's this classism, entitlement and delusions of grandeur when it comes to homeless/poor people doing anything the non-homeless can. Like, I remember reading this story on Tumblr about a pair of kids in a nearly-on-the-street family: the younger, autistic brother worked his ass off for months to buy his sister a 3DS for her birthday. They decided to try it out outside, on their own stoop, when a neighbor caught them and berated for having "an item of luxury" without knowing the context. It was earned through hard work but because poor equals, living on the street or dressing in rags, these kids weren't allowed to have an expensive _toy._ The autistic brother was reported to have fallen into a depression and I've never seen any updates. I hope he recovered, but I can see how he would probably grow up neglecting himself/his needs or never buying anyone a gift again after being traumatized like that. Anyway, the lesson I'm trying to convey is: it's not your responsibility to feel guilty for how a pervert used your money for evil.
Fair point, however I think the point she was trying to make was that she spent time and money on a show she didn't know was made by someone terrible. Think of it being like someone well intentioned donating to a charity that claims to aid people, let's say a charity that intends to help Autistic people, and tells their friends about it, but then it turns out, that said group was a branch of Autism Speaks, and that money was used promoting anti-vax and ablest bullshit. Hypothetical person feels bad that they entrusted their money to that charity and recommended it to their friends, but they were under the impression that they were helping at the time. But they can't blame themselves for not knowing what was going on. All they can do now is tell their friends what happened, and move on.
i gave money to this homeless man once because i wanted to trail him up to the drug dealer and get some good stuff myself, was so disappointed, the dude put the money in his bank account. :P
If a politician says that they specifically want to do some thing and in order to do it they need your help to get elected, that will include contributions to their campaign. Typically that comes in the form of financial contributions. So if they say they’re going to do something that’s harmful to a group of people and they need your support to do it and you support them by giving them money, guess what that means?
Making this type of content is very important for self-reflection in the community of people who enjoy Japanese media. Responsibly consuming even problematic media requires individuals to be aware and critical of what they consume, and long-form analysis like yours goes a long way to promoting that. I'm very sorry you received so much backlash for your previous video, and I hope you continue to produce similar content in the future.
@@Bigsword999 Loli Is different from lolicon loli Is the character and the character has no problem just when people make lolicon Which literally Is a real word for pedophile so If we are speaking English here we would call It cp not lolicon
As a fellow woman artist out in the industry of pop media (I work in games), thank you for speaking out about problematic things in media. It can be super hard for us to be heard even amongst colleagues, but the more people who talk about this and spread these ideas the better the world will be. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you
@Shin Shaman so i did not get half of the things you wrote i don't even use Twitter but anyways. I still believe what i believe have no odeia why infertile women were brought up, and you can just change anything about you if you have the money :/
@Shin Shaman Lmao why do you care this much bro? Like it's really fucking weird that you care this much about what other people are doing with their life's.
i also think that people need to understand that just cuz someone died doesnt mean that you cant call out their shitty actions even if its "disrespectful"
I appreciate the video and agree with most things. The main thing I don’t agree with is the holier than thou attitude exuded when asking the question “why would you continue to love something after discovering how awful the creator is?” I can’t help that I adore Rurouni Kenshin and Harry Potter. When I found out about the Rurouni Kenshin author I was heartbroken and afraid to rewatch the show and have something that used to be so enjoyable for me be tarnished. I rewatched it and it was tarnished, but not enough that I didn’t still love what is great about Rurouni Kenshin. I realize that all I can do is not directly monetarily support the author, but I will not just cut these works out of my life forever, as I literally find the Harry Potter movies soothing and comforting. I didn’t appreciate the being made to feel “not good/moral enough” to just completely drop some of my favorite media ever. I can go out and look for and support non problematic content while still enjoy a limited consumption of the problematic content that I fell in love with before discovering the truth about the creators.
I agree with this. I think sometimes what hurts people the _most_ about realizing that one of their favorite creators is a scumbag, is that you look at the media they made, some of which might've been instrumental in teaching you some of your own values, and you wonder... how could they have made this, and still not understood how to be a good person? some of the stuff you learned from their work helped make _you_ a good person... how did _they_ get it so wrong?? it feels like a betrayal, because their work led you to believe that they'd know better. that they'd be better people than they are. the term "death of the author" is often misused, and this is something else that the video didn't mention, which I wish it had. "death of the author" also means that whatever is in the text, is in the text, regardless of author comments or stated intentions. so, taking J. K. Rowling as an example... if something inside of Harry Potter seems to promote anti-discriminatory ideas, like the idea that magic users born to non-magical families are just as good at magic as anyone else, then that's objectively part of the text... anyone can understand that message when they read it. but so is Hermione's crusade to free the Hogwarts house elves, which is portrayed as silly, because the house elves actually like their enslavement as long as they aren't literally physically abused. they have some sort of magical compulsion to fulfill that enslaved role, so they're actually happier if Hermione just leaves their situation alone. which... sounds for all the world like the kind of rhetoric that white slave owners used to use to justify their keeping of black slaves. it is, at the very least, a really bad point to try and make. and on top of that, Hermione's pursuit of activism on behalf of downtrodden people, is portrayed as a universally silly concept that isn't worth the effort that vocal activists put into it. both of these messages are simultaneously and objectively in the text, there to be found whenever you read it, always. even if the author were to make a statement that she didn't intend for the harmful stuff to be there. if it's there, it will be found by readers who don't know or care that she said that, in the future. in this case, "death of the author" means that she can't retcon what she already wrote. her word-of-god doesn't matter if a person can still pick these themes out of the end product, for better or for worse. and, likewise, if a ten year old kid reads the Harry Potter series nowadays, and somehow hasn't heard of any of the controversy surrounding Rowling online right now, they probably wouldn't guess that the author has something against trans people. not on their own. ultimately, it's good that a kid wouldn't pick that up from her work, but those who do know might also reread the Harry Potter series with a newly more critical eye for the finer details. if there's a description of a woman who is supposed to be unappealing in the Harry Potter series, and she is ever described as "mannish" then that rings louder alarm bells now, to those who know. and it _does not matter_ if Rowling swoops in and says "well I didn't meant it that way" now... people who know her politics will still find it more distasteful in the context of the information we have. that is death of the author. it doesn't mean that we can just 100% shelve the author to continue liking what they made as though they had nothing to do with it, or as though none of their issues could've possibly wormed their way into the work they did. you probably didn't absorb their harmful views, because you were young, and looking for the good that the series actually did for you. that's a testament to you, but don't give Rowling more credit than she deserves, for your kindness. obviously, if you still want to just remember the fun you had with the series when you didn't know there was anything wrong with it at all, you're within your right to operate that way from time to time. but I do think that at some point, it's more appropriate to confront what you know about that author, and turn a more critical eye to their work... to re-examine it for things you might not have noticed. like, if you really want to just use the work for comfort and escapism like you always have for your own benefit... honestly, I think that's also fine? but I think that it is best not to put any more money in the pocket of the person who made the work, and I think it's good to freely examine the work in public spaces where it is being discussed, when you're ready to engage with it on that level. I think you can enjoy something as a comfort in private while also being critical of it in venues where it matters. people are complex, and capable of holding multiple positions on something at the same time, and this is a good area of media engagement to practice that.
Totally agree. I would also like to point out how the main focus shifts on the main authors, completely ignoring other people. Just imagine how much people spend their time in the production of say, a 24 episode series of anime, would @noralities (or anyone else for that matter) stop watching an entire series if she found out that someone in the cast like a sound director commited a crime?
i feel the same - an example i have is that it recently came out that a member of a band i really loved had been abusing and manipulating his girlfriend for years, and after i found out about it i felt too uncomfortable to continue listening to their music, even though i still loved their songs. however, i think its totally fine for other ppl to want to listen to their music knowing about the abuse, and i don't think i'm at all morally superior for not engaging or anything (i actually wish i still could without feeling really bad about it). i think it's fine to engage with content, even if it's by extremely problematic creators, as long as you don't give them money and keep the fact that they're probably not a morally good person in mind.
"Just in case you were wondering why there aren't a lot of us, it's because we're being intentionally pushed out of this space with this kind of general harassment" This. Right here.
The harassment bit is so true. This channel is like a breath of fresh air for me, because despite the hate comments I find in the general comments section and replies (such as polished rubbish's reply to your comment) it's still a lot more welcoming, interested, and open to discussion of these topics than lots of other places. which is kinda sad lol but yeah.
A 100 year old Propagnada Video during a time where the only way to see it is in theaters that isn't made for the mass public as entertainment but for potential new members, didn't really bring back anything nor have anything to do with the current media. Don't why she even brought it up, but okay.
I appreciate that you take the effort to put your views out despite the fact that they're probably not the most popular. Your perspective is a valuable one and even when you have strong negative opinions about something you convey your feelings in a way that doesn't attack or put down others. Thank you for that.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad And you're the guy whose spent like 20 hours responding to every goddamn comment on this video claiming anybody with a counter-point is either misinformed or immoral. that's a terrible attitude to have online.
I have a friend in Japan who has been a victim of sexual harassment from a young age and she's never persued anything against those people because of a: the shame culture and b: how unfortunately common it is. Now it is getting better, and by the time I went to high school in Japan, things were much better. But that doesn't mean the entire culture is without critique. Also, I know this is way to late and you'll never see it, but James Somerton's video on JKR is really good. It makes the whole thing a lot sadder to me to think about the trans people that felt utterly betrayed. And also yeah, go piracy!
It’s funny that the shaming used to be on the SA-er, in some twisted way. As in that it used to be the SA-er was shamed and now it’s the victim almost writes the twisted joke itself, to clarify
Danganronpa V3 explains the theme of "Fiction is not real but it affects reality" pretty well. Just because fiction doesn't technically happen, it can have effects on not only culture and people, but on the actors as well.
Ah yes, the game about the story of teenagers murdering each other which causes society to hold annual teenager murdering games for half a century. Truly the pinnacle of great representation of the dangers of media.
@@jenniferpotterson8786 You're intentionally misunderstanding what they said. Of course the Danganronpe V3 example is kind of hyperbole. But it's core message can very much be applied to real life. Media can very much affect reality, even negatively. For example, after the Game of Thrones-series became popular, a lot of people bought dogs that looked a lot like the direwolves in the show, because they thought direwolves were cool and/or wanted to be more like the Starks, who owned the direwolves. Problem was, the dog breed in question required a lot of care and not everybody who adopted one could provide that. So most of those dogs were returned to the shelters or flat-out abandoned (source: www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/game-of-thrones-dire-wolf-fans-buying-huskies). Media can influence large groups of people, even if doing so wasn't the author's intend. It's like what Nora said, "Media doesn't exist in a vaccum".
Nora has a gift for saying plainly what needs to be said. That line wasn't directed towards me, but I still felt it - like - why isn't this said so plainly and clearly more often? Well. It will be a bit more now, thanks to her work - and I think it's pretty darn natural to have some heavy feels about that.
it's so refreshing to see someone who has the same problems with the anime industry that i've had ever since my introduction to the medium it feels good to know i'm not alone here
but you looked at anime industry trough their eyes ? she says theres inequality of gender, that theres nothing for her when theres tons for men.. Anime is genderless and Both Sexes Work on it to deliver the experience to the public. theres Loli and Ecchi for those who liked, not just for Male pervs. anime have more men, but doesn't mean is composed for men, you can only see it if you work on it, why would a Woman Work on a Show that sexualizes Children as The VA ? because they are not real and she needs the money
@@lucasyoshikawa5933maybe the wording i used wasn't most fortunate. of course i don't have any problems with the people working on anime like voice actors, animators, composers etc. what i do have a problem with is, among other things, the way many anime series objectify female characters and sexualize children, and how all of this doesn't seem to bother anyone i speak to. sorry for any misunderstandings my original comment may have caused. i am aware that working in any art related field is difficult phisycally, emotionally and financially and demands working on projects that the artists would otherwise prefer not to work on given the possibility.
There's nothing truly obvious. I love how people forget culture affects them and their norms in convos related to these things lol. We just have to hail something as objectively known or true, don't we?
@Andromeda This comment just validates people's concerns why there should be more women and or fem presenting content creators for anime. You're so threatened by the opposite sex you can't even handle an opposing opinion from them because it doesn't align to yours. Anime is for everyone, stop gatekeeping you weirdo.
It's nice to hear this perspective from someone who was also once a fan of Rurouni Kenshin. It's been so hard processing what happened, and I still struggle today with the fact that I was inspired by someone who is undeniably a horrible person. I was in denial for a long time. I'm glad you got to come to terms with it, and I think I can now too. As much as I loved the story of ruroken, I won't be purchasing any of the mangas anymore or the merchandise... It's such a horrible shame...
I think you need to forgive yourself. Rurouken is still a really good story, just a really good story made by a monster. Not sure what I'll do with my copies, which were purchased long before the allegations come out. But maybe one day I'll be able to love them again.
If I had read Ruroni Kenshin, I think I would still read it, because I know personally never support or agree with Watsuki's actions. I would rather accept that this is something that happened, acknowledge it and enjoy the media rather than box off something I like since the actions of the creator were reprehensible. (*Should've waited till I saw the entire video, I think I'd still I'd like the story, but not in the way that would directly support Watsuki. But I'm just saying that I'd have a hard time cutting off something that I love.)
Things like this are the only time i support theft honestly. You don't wanna monetarily support the artists cause they are terrible? Download it/steal it. Although sometimes you can't just enjoy the work anymore because the association with the artists just sits in your head and ruins it.
@@therealfinnaspring8585 That's how I cope tbh. I absolutely love Rurouni Kenshin and it's my favorite anime. Because of the creator, however, it's very conflicting and makes Kenshin's tale of redemption seem belittled.
2:49 "It's part of Japan's culture!" Reminds me of the Americans who own a confederate flag just because of "heritage." Bad ethics aren't a cultural thing.
Plus, honestly, "heritage," "states rights" and other arguments defending the flag (and the flag itself) were used as segregationist dogwhistles by segregationists themselves after desegregation. A couple generations of kids grew up with segregationist propaganda being piped straight into their brains to the ppint where they have internalized it.
Technically its not even a cultural thing, it's legal at a national level (age of concent being 13). Though in practical applications you and your partner had best be 20+ or you'll be jailed by the prefectural police with a nice lawsuit from the parents as each precinct has their own amendments and policing separate from the national police (even if they're 18 and they concent, their parents also have to in some cases... its complicated). Meanwhile confederates were hated in their time, lost any power back in 1865, and have basically been salty bitches ever since. Not technically a 1-to-1 but I get what you're going for, bad ethics =/= culture. 😃
@@TGameDev well confederates were hated by those not in the Confederacy. I live in the south and I def have heard people mention the confederates in a positive light. And they didn't exactly lose power either, shit like Jim Crow laws and shit showed that those with the same beliefs held positions in the government.
This reminds me of an old thought experiment that, now that i think about it, i haven't heard in a VERY long time... There is an artwork created that, for some reason, no one knows who created it, but it is put on display for free to the public because of it's beauty/power/meaningfulness/etc. It becomes an international sensation overnight because of it's effect on people. Those who see it in person are moved in unbelievable and dramatic ways. And you only get the effect from seeing it in person. It's not magic, but the actual physical experience of seeing it directly with your own eyes that brings about the effect. Viewing it online or seeing pictures has some effect, but comparing that seeing in person is a bit's akin to saying a person in the path of a tsunami experiences moisture. Millions of artists become hugely inspired by it, people are brought out of depression into joy at its sight, anyone seeing is wholly enriched in their lives and spirit, and so on and so forth. A few years later, a person who is world known for having done heinous things comes forward. A person who has done things that make 1940's Germany and 1950-60s USSR look like a PG-13 Disney movie. They have irrefutable evidence that they created the artwork and make it known world wide Next, they demand that for it to continue being shown they must be paid a monthly royalty/fee/rent and they must be allowed to continue doing whatever it was they were doing. If they won't be paid, they'll dissappear, but also want the artwork back to destroy it and all copies/images of it striken and outlawed (assume they have the ability to do this somehow) as it was "stolen" from them and they never consented to its display. Assuming, somehow, that the "evil" this person does is balanced perfectly against the good coming from the work, do you continue displaying the work for people to enjoy and pay the person their fee, or give the work back knowing that it will be destroyed and that all references or copies of it will dissappear, never to be seen again? I realize that it's an absurd scenario, but that's kind of the point. I probably have not done it justice and I'm sure I haven't remembered in entirely correctly, but the point is to take something that in reality a VERY grey topic (much like whether it's grey or gray🤣) and turn it into a very bright line question. To force the situation into contrast to show that even in the grey-est of situations, everyone has a line that they stand on one side or the other of. In the end you either pay the person and enjoy the work, or you destroy it for everyone and the person stops doing bad things. There is no middle ground in the question and the circumstances are fixed and set. In the end the answer is, where exactly IS "that line" on the scale of grey where things tip from the artist being part of the work to being disconnected from it. If the work is inherently good and produces wonderful and inherently good things/effects, but the person who created it and will also benefit from others benefiting from there work is an inherently bad person and does and continues to do inherently bad things, do you accept the good with the bad or eliminate both? In the end, I don't know that there is an objectively or even morally "right" answer. Morality and "being right" are whatever society say they are. And from an objective perspective, which I am admittedly bad at, it seems both choices have equal weight. As much as I think a lot of people would like for there to be a universally agreed upon answer, I'm afraid it just comes down to what each of us is individually willing to give up or live with.
This strikes me to my core because it's just. So refreshing to not feel like I'm crazy. To so fully relate to your experience helps me not feel alone or wrong for having an off feeling about certain media my friends love.
I’m one of those 100 viewers living in Japan. I don’t even like anime that much, I just wanted to hear someone tear down that damn loli dragon that’s on all of the posters and advertisements here. I really enjoyed your argument so much that I’m a subscriber now! I’m glad you’re starting to get the recognition that you deserve!
Transphobia in anime is a real problem. It's frustrating and hurtful to see transgender characters being misrepresented or ridiculed. Anime should promote inclusivity and understanding, not perpetuate harmful stereotypes. We need better representation and positive portrayals. Let's speak up and support inclusive anime that celebrates transgender experiences. Together, we can make a difference. 💪🌈 BTW love your vid and your takes. I am agreeing more and more with you the older I get LOL
Man if you think transphibia in anime is a problem, you should see the middle east and Africa. 😅 Anyway; why is it bad for anime to make trans jokes. But you give anime a pass when it jokes about white straight characters? Maybe 41% yourself
Ok so first, we agree that transphobia in anime is a problem and, we agree that transphobia is a problem worldwide right? What is then wrong with me stating such and agreeing with the video? You are also assuming a whole bunch of stuff about me here, while simultaneously basically saying that I can’t complain about something do to the fact that the problem is worse elsewhere (I find this hilarious ignorant)? I also don’t see how your comment is helpful, relevant or meaningful? So I just want to ask you what you are trying to convey in your comment, because right now you are saying a whole bunch of nothing? (I’m sorry if I seem very aggressive here and I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt)
If trans weren't linked to actual pedophilia & misogyny maybe there'd be less transphobia, but unfortunately that is how reality is. For some reason a lot of trans like to dance nearly completely naked in front of children. Also maybe if trans actually took their medication, they'd wouldn't have to forcibly push themselves into everything and everyone's face. It's almost like they created their own oppression from within.
I feel a lot of cancel culture comes out of shaming one person to take the attention off of their horrible addictions that they shame others for while doing the same.
@Random Songs In Locrian Too bad it is sometimes used as a cudgel. When all you have is a hammer, anything that looks vaguely nail-like will get hit, even if it's a screw that did nothing wrong except accidentally look like a nail once and the nail's name is "racism" or whatever.
This video came at a great time. One of my friends was unjustly accused of liking incest due to some fandom bullshit. Wont go into detail, but people were super nasty about it. Your video perfectly framed my thoughts Edit: since people are arguing in the replies i should elaborate my friend never linked incest they just didn't educate themselves on the situation, changed their opinion, and CONTINUED to get harassed
@@Just_a_turtle_chad I love that you're on this video there are so many anime fans who don't listen to criticism every time they hear it they just call it cancel culture
@@Just_a_turtle_chad Why is saying that necessary, it is obvious that Rinana also disapproves of incest and that the situation of "unjustly being accused of liking incest" is more similar to people accusing a Voltron ship of being pedophilic than it actually being pedophilic. To say that "A Turtle doesn't approve of people who like incest 🤮🤮🤮👎" can imply that the person Rinana was talking about did like incest, which I don't think was necessary.
I actually was talking to my Grandma about the Art Affects Reality argument today. She's HoH (Hard of Hearing) and has a cochlear implant, something the recent film Sound of Metal highlights in its dramatization of a drummer losing his hearing. The film was very negative towards the implants and the attempt to get help as a HoH person and we both agreed that a lot of people might see this and not think critically about the fact that the film /is/ a dramatization and may not seek the help they want because a Hollywood film told them they were just going to find frustration and sorrow if they do. Also, thank you for making both of these videos. Not only are they enjoyable to watch and think about, they remind me to keep thinking critically about the media I'm engaging with (which I always love to do)!
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 ik but she used a fucking nazi symbol as an example of how FICTION can affect reality. The nazi symbol Is something that represents a real life group, not a fiction
@@rinsenpai5348 I don’t disagree! I meant it more as a similar saying that people in the social studies of the arts use very frequently that can still be used in this case as I believe writing is still an art form.
Hey, i know that you're getting a lot of criticism right now and a lot of hate. and while i do agree with some of the criticism i want you to know that i still think this was a great video! just ignore the genuinely hateful comments and take into consideration the genuine comments that are genuine criticism! I know that this video genuinely came from a good and insightful place! I hope you are doing okay through all of this!
it’s so cathartic almost to hear you so adamantly express these views that are so hard to find people talking openly about. thank you so much for making content like this!
@@kek-senpai243 I have to ask how you could possibly view these opinions as "godawful" after watching this video. Imo it takes a special kind of ignorant stubbornness to have walked away with absolutely nothing after this vid(which leads me to believe that you are 1, young or 2, completely opposed to self-reflection and/or empathy). And yes, it's hard to find these kinds of opinions on anitube.
I do appreciate you addressing the whole Death of the Author argument. It's supposed to be used as an analysis of a work, not as a means to justify enjoying it. Also, it's meant to separate intent of the author from what actually made it on to the pages. Like, Dumbledore being gay is never directly mentioned in the text, and is at best alluded to. If Rowling wanted to brownie points for having gay representation, it needed to be in the text, not some tweet on Twitter. That's how Death of the Author is intended to be used; not saying Harry Potter should be taken away from her because she did a bad.
i really, really hate the argument that "it's just japanese culture!" it perpetuates the idea that a) japanese people are a-ok with the sexualization b) japanese people (they're most just referring to japanese women) are inherently sexual and c) all of japanese culture can be found in anime. it's like watching idk, family guy, parks n rec, riverdale, etc. and going "yeah, that's just american culture." *japanese media does not fully portray japan.* there are still problems in japan that a lot of anime fans simply don't want to admit, and a lot of that is because anime most often don't delve deep into those problems, instead putting a more comedic twist on them or even romanticizing them. you can still enjoy a show while admitting its flaws. someone making an argument against a show you love doesn't take anything away from your love of it.
but for them to make MORE of this kind of content is exaclty that, they make content for the horny, doesn't matter the sex, they are okay with it, even if its wrong, its the market, if the women were against, why do we still have REAL people doing it ? in JAVs, Voice Acting, Gravure Idols, they are Selling their bodies for money and fame, they sometimes regret the decision, but they ratter humiliate themselves than die being truthfull and pure
@@blitz4506 it did tho? they were basically saying that you cannot say that a show is portraying accurately a culture, for example a lot of american shows show teenagers having a very active sexual life, am I going to say it's ok or real? no, while it still can have an effect on how ppl portray those teens and how they see themselves, same concept with "lolis"
and about sexualization (of Real Girls), its Still Okay with the Laws, theres why they keep making it despite being wrong. Now what about the Fictional ones ? you cannot touch a drawing, its a bad Taste rather than a serious issue
I know lovecraft is like the most famous dead author was actually a racist but there’s much more to his story. Lovecraft was pretty much scared of everyone, he was paranoid, suffered a traumatic childhood, suffers from mental illness, sad love life, was poor, and died slowly from cancer. And the place in which he grew up felt like the only safe for him but as immigrants moved in he most likely felt that his save heaven was being invaded. Also overtime his views on other races changed .Sure what he writes may be way more hurtful even for his time but this was a man paranoid of everything. Also his uncle gave the cat that name.
I doubt he could write such xenophobic books, if he wasn't xenophobic himself. It's really a great window into other man's conciousness. I, myself, like that horror of unknown and foreign he describes, it's really something on the gut level.
I also think that he was self aware enough to recognize WHY the Immigrants scared him.... After all isn't it him who said the oldest and most primal fear is fear of the unknown? Other races scared him because they as people were unknown to him. The man knew fear and paranoia, and that's what he wrote....
There's always more to the story when racists make things that contribute to the dehumanization and abuse of people of color. Fear is a common root of racial hate, people hate things they don't understand. But be careful not to center the tragedies of a man who stood by cheering for the genocides of innocent people over the hurt and dead people his actions caused. Being hurt does not give you the right or any justification to hurt others. In fact the whole “he was probably scared that people were invading his safe space” is something I think you need to sit down and think about.
I'm pleased to tell you that my first introduction to your channel was your Princess Tutu video, upon which I have already heaped my adoring praise. :D So really I want to say how brave I think you are, stepping up to say these kinds of things that NEED to be said, knowing the kind of hate you'll get for it. I think that's amazing and I can only hope positive commenters help balance out the negative. You're doing amazing, but I'm also glad to hear your next project will go a little easier on you. Be well, and take care of yourself!
God I am too. Some of them were mean. While I appreciate her being mature and very respectful about it. People who are like them don't deserve it imo just from experience alone.
@αηgєl кσƒ Very true dude, I was in that state of mind too when I was 13-14? (I'm 17 rn) it's just more sadder knowing it's mostly adults who don't know how to have a nuance perspective on japan's culture that perpetuates in anime and worse when younger people, like mostly teens defend it because it's so normalized.
Krone's visual depiction is unfortunate, because she is a very well-written, fleshed out, intelligent, and nuanced character and you really do feel for her when she's quite literally made to be a sacrificial lamb. Hopefully the Amazon series be able to focus on these positive traits while getting rid of these negative stereotypes... that's assuming the series is any good to begin with and they don't completely botch it.
truthfully, i believe they "fixed" her anime version as much as they could without straying from her OG design. which her OG design is actually fucking terrible and I hate it so much.
Yeah. Honestly I hope she was made like that to be more scary than racist, but you never know and I'm not willing to close my eyes at the problem. The thing that makes me think that way is that there are actually different skin colored characters, though I might be wrong and they might be just tan. Still, a redesigned version would be better for everyone I think
Why unfortunate? Black people are not a monolith group. I've already seen irl black girls that looks like her, and that because of fact that my mom spend a bunch of her time watching Congolese shows and being herself congolese. Krone is supposed to be terrifying. So black people can't also be shown as terrific or it's racist? Well if you could spend some minutes researching at some african movies with full black characters, you will see that some of them looks like Krone.
Honestly, how can people get mad at you? You have such a pleasant calm, reasonable manner of explaning your points. They'd literally have to not listen to a word you say to get upset at you for perfectly sensible arguments.
people get mad at her because 1) she's an damn hypocrite who literally made ships of bakugou and deku from my hero academia 2) her sources are fucking dogshit, literally go to google academics and search on the subject of fictional taboo porn and you'll see how full of shit she is, fiction has never, will never and should never be the thing responsible of someone's vile crimes, trying to shift the blame onto fiction is extremely idiotic and just throws the problem under the rug 3) she said that the creator of miss kobayashi's dragon maid made CP, which is an load of bullshit on so many levels, first, CP is defined by actual children being sexually exploited and a anime character is not a fucking child by definition, and on top of that, both characters on those mangas are a college student and a college drop out, and not to mention if she actually believed it was CP, do you actually think she would've been sharing the image here even if it was censored? if she actually believed on the nonsense she was spewing she would've been in jail by now because she would be distributing CP
rarely do i find a really nuanced and reasonable take on problems in anime. every time i see something gross in an anime i feel like im the only person bothered by it. your channel is a blessing xoxo
NORALITIES? MORE LIKE BASED! Jokes aside I haven't gotten past the intro yet but I want to say I appreciate you for making the content that you are. You're really making me think of stuff from a different perspective (and gave me a push to try out sailor moon in a weirdly tangential way.) Please don't let awful people get you down
I'm gonna slip in to give some tips on the Sailor Moon stuff since it is a mess to get into if you're new, you can ignore but i thought i help to have a place to start :) So you may wanna try Sailor Moon manga first if you're not up for the idea of a bunch of filler episodes from the 90's anime, i know that gets people off from the idea and a lot of the choices were contradictory to the manga, but if you're not a manga person you could try the remake Sailor Moon Crystal, its a lot more sticked to the manga and a lot more easy to watch as it's a little more straight to the point. All have their con and pros but they're all equally enjoyable if you like the whole magical girl genre. You may not after all but i appreciate people giving it a try, i hope if you do watch it you have a pleasant experience :)
@@garf1906 Oh thanks! But I already started the 90s anime and...the filler isn't bad? I don't remember much of naruto or dragon ball z, some of the other anime airing at the time, but the filler in sailor moon is integrated very well into the setting. And the show being more of a comedy helps. That said I do plan on reading the manga and watching crystal at some point!
@@gayrozayppeli8431 omg YES!!! I was gonna make that point too im glad you agree, its just that a lot of Sailor Moon fans sometimes get too caught up in nostalgia that we kinda get lost gjsjjdjw im glad you agree, yEs the filler does help to appreciate the characters more fjjd so yEs manga is great too, its like a compromise between the two works really, they weirdly connect nicely so i hope you also enjoy that!
@@garf1906 I remember trying to watch Sailor Moon, it was basically one of the first anime that I ever tried watching so I never expected 90% of the show to be filler. Felt like Japanese Scooby Doo.
When I hear the argument that art is not important and its not real I will always remember Who's afraid of red yellow and blue a painting and what happened to it
@@soleil-in-the-sky there’s a jacob geller vid about a famous painting called “Who’s afraid of red yellow and blue?”, a piece of abstract art consisting only of the colors red, yellow and blue, which was vandalised. The video is really good, you should watch it.
Watching this in 2022, the mention of Lindsay Ellis and Natalie Wynn as good sources for more info on JK Rowling's fucked up shenanigans in a video about how indiscriminate cancel culture has become feels extremely and depressingly on the nose. I hope Lindsay Ellis has had a chance to heal some after getting away from the meat grinder she's been put through for the better half of a decade.
What most shocked me is how tame and level-headed Rowlings statements are. If i listened only to twitter activists, I would think she is calling for exterminations. Turns out, she has the same moderate opinions that many trans people also have. But only some activists and sheep proclaim her evil, and somehow try to attribute to her statements a malice and harm that is simply not existent.
@@TheJaguarthChannel Nah, Rowling is absolutely a nasty and hateful person. She's pretty much plummeted down the terf rabbit hole to the point where she's now buddy-buddy with awful people like Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull and Matt Walsh.
@@TheJaguarthChannelif you only looked at Rowling's statements several years ago devoid of any context, I could maybe see how a reasonable person would think that. But she has gotten considerably worse over the last couple years to the point you really can't claim she's a "moderate" in any sense. Please look at the context of what she's saying and the people she's defending. I don't even use Twitter for the record. It's nothing like the situation with Lindsay Ellis at all.
@@jmiller6066 I know each thing Rowling has said in context, and i completely agree with her. I disagree with those bullies or deluded who keep trying to claim that disagreeing with them is somehow an evil or bigoted thing. That is an absurd way to try and shut down conversation. It's entitled and illiberal.
@@TheJaguarthChannel I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, but if you're being honest, then I'm sorry, but your view is not any more "moderate" than Rowling's.
(TW) Doxxed, Harassement, Shipping Charaters. I think they are talking about people cancel other people for their ship like ex: some alot people got cancel or harassed because they ship deku x urauka by bakudeku or Tododeku shippers and it happen with fandoms like me that ship Saimatsu (Shuichi x Kaede) and Kiibouma (Kiibo x Kokichi) And hear stories that people got cancel or worse got doxxed by i believe Saiouma shippers and this the reason alot people quit their fandoms because these actions. I believe she talking about.
Bruh I'm so happy that someone actually puts their points for the opposite side into actual reasonable and respectful terms. Tbf, I think going on Twitter to discuss this heavy topic wasn't a good idea. That wasn't the right move to have a reasonable discussion. I myself am an advocate for the freedom of expression of any artist. No matter how problematic or morally abhorrent the subject of the media could be. And as idealistic as it sounds, I wish to trust in the market of ideas of the general public to notice that the media in question displays morally abhorrent content. As for my personal views on sexualising underage fictional characters specifically, it's a bit complicated. I don't consume that media, and I do what I can to avoid seeing it as much as I possibly can because it makes me uncomfortable. How ever, just because I personally am uncomfortable by a subject, I don't want to go over the line when we ban or censor media. The connection between the consumption of Lolicon and it's causation of rl child abuse is kind of shakey. And the reason I find just a slight problem with trying to blame fiction for real world crimes is because I don't want criminals to have a scapegoat to attract attention away from them, to lessen their accountability for their crimes. To me, that argument seems akin to the "r@pe p*rn causes real life rape" argument, even though there's no evidence to back it up. At the end of the day I believe criminals are completely accountable for the crimes they commit, and blaming fiction could lead to a rabbit hole of censorship of media that wishes to explore taboo and sensitive topics. But that only applies to media that doesn't include abuse or incite violence or extreme ideologies in a positive manner. If there are media that that presents these topics in a positive manner, then I believe the creators should be immediately investigated. If you read this, thanks for listening.
Exactly this. There’s a tricky line between committing the act vs something that’s just a lewd fantasy. While there are kinks that are practiced regularly, a lot of them also stay based in fiction for a multitude of reasons. Anything from being impractical to perform, how the consequences of performing it severely affect lifestyle, to harming others or even one’s self. By the end of the day fictional versions of these fantasies are often the best or even only way to filter out or exercise these kinks safely (even if some of these people’s kinks bother me a lot). Again, this isn’t to say criminals shouldn’t be held responsible for committing actual crimes. Media that promotes harm should be held accountable when doing so just like you said.
This here is the moderate and right way to look at it, but ppl here who love cancel culture will try to force their views into others to get their way, like Noralities.
'theres no evidence to back it up' true there isn't but that's because as she pointed out things like this aren't well researched to begin with just because there isn't basically any research doesn't mean it's fine. Also I think her point was more to do with desensitisation and the idea that once a culture is so saturated with an idea through media (in this case cartoon drawings of children being molested) punishment becomes less severe because in the minds of the people this is something very commonplace and almost 'normal' when it really REALLY isn't, especially in Japan's case. You're right in an ideal world people could create whatever the fuck the wanted and people could come to their own conclusions, but heres the thing. A lot of people barely think about the media they consume, most people can barely tell you why they like something let alone if something is actively bad. People watch, not engaging beyond that meanwhile subconsciously becoming desensitised to some really awful things. I personally don't care if they were to ban loli outright in my country. I think it's fucked up and unless more research is done to prove otherwise I do think is does more harm than good.
“crimes that hurt no one, like shoplifting” *cries in my bonus being dependent on the Home Depot I work at being successful* I know you guys are going to say that companies shouldn’t punish employees for shoplifters stealing stuff, but the reality is that they do. It harms the minimum wage employees because corporations are like that. Don’t hurt people just because you think they shouldn’t be hurt by your actions, look at what harm the actions actually do
Home Depot is billion dollar company, they’re still the ones that are hurting you in the situation, not some random guy who lifted a pack of drywall screws
First I want to say thank you for the video. As someone who struggled to overcome the racist and misogynistic views instilled in me by my racist and religious family, I really appreciate this. I'm 30 now and it took me 6 years after I moved out at 18 to realize a lot of my views were harmful biases I'd learned growing up and not how the world actually was. Thanks to coming to those conclusions, I've finally found a healthy relationship with a woman I like that's going on 5 years now. And while I still struggle with my own inner demons and can't afford to seek therapy, videos like this assist in my own self reflection and I glad for it.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 How about "reasonable voice"? Maybe, "voice that says reasonable things". I read somewhere that the key to public speaking is knowing what your audience is thinking and saying it for them - it seems our host here has a talent for that. I wouldn't say pointing that out goes so far as to idolize.
voice of hypocrisy if anything did yall forget how she was gawking over a shota in another video? or how about in this very vid she shows uncensored shota hentai? you want her to be your voice of reason? really? are you sure about that?
I find it impressive how the vibes stay chill even when talking about stuff like this, this is really entertaining, and I cannot express how much I needed to hear the "everything is going to be ok" at the end. It's nice to see some logical thinking, especially because I live in a very America part of America
22:30 "making a film right after the civil war glorifying the Klu Klux Klan" this is going to be nitpicky but the civil war ended in 1865 and birth of a nation came out in 1915. like 50 years between the two.
I find people who think they’re immune to messaging from media are usually the most susceptible to it, since they fundamentally lack the ability to think critically about the influence of media on themselves.
Alternatively, they live in a media bubble where the ideas presented are so accepted by them they don't even recognise they've already internalised them and have already been affected.
Well said. I guess we could also say that some media is very effective at slipping under the radar. It's designed to influence people sometimes in ways that make it easy for someone to not notice they were influenced by it. Reminds me also of Buadrillard's ideas about the matrix or a simulation.
I was hoping that the Jaws bit would be brought up since, it is one of the best examples of how fictional media, can affect reality and people's perception on topics. Fiction has both affected and influenced reality despite what people say. Dont stop making these videos, we need more critiquing media we have today.
yeah no it was debunked as a myth as there were not public panics about sharks and is largely due to overfishing that shark populations were going down even to this day
@@roonkolos No, people were afraid of sharks before the movie was made and the book was written. However, Western views on sharks was radically changed due to a real life incident called the 1916 Jersey Shore Shark Attacks. If you look into it, you'll find that most people at that time knew so little about sharks that they thought they were just dumb harmless fish. But after the attacks that perception did a complete 180, and that perception was fed into western culture for decades after. It also didn't help that, afterwards, reports of actual shark attacks were sensationalized in western presses.
OMG THANK YOU! I've been trying to get the point about hyper sexualized kids in anime across to some of my other anime loving friends for thd last decade. It's so weird that people don't get that.
I'm an artist it, I've done some Ecchi furry artwork for commissions. Would you classify me a Zoophile? Would you classify every furry as Zoophile? Minstraling happen in live action, it's not just cartoons. It must be nice to an American, and think you and your culture is right about everything. They're slandering a culture you know nothing about. I mean should we cancel beastars for being lite furry porn, it a great series with plot not easily described any other way. One thing they got right is cancel culture is dumb. Separating your support from a media you like because they do something you don't agree with is dumb if think it's okay to consume the same art if they were dead. 1. The estate still live. How far does the acorn fall from the tree? Do you care? Are you absolved for your willful ignore? 2. Statistically, there was pedophile or rapist on the on production team for all media, like that Me too guy. Are you willing to cancel of media because is some way for a fact some pedophile is using you money to live? 3. Production is only one person, it studios full of people try to live. Is it right cancel them and pirate their hard work because one person you know is bad?
@@murderman8578 nothing ever changed by not caring, if your so afraid of becoming the mythical "sjw" that the right winged has propagandized to you then youre being urged right now to change your mindset.
My voice is a pointless expression in an endless din, but I would point out that Death of The Author is an *analytical* technique, one aimed at removing the lived experience and context of the writer from the analysis of a piece of work. People can't and shouldn't just cite it so they don't have to feel bad for buying stuff from an asshole, it requires critical analysis and consideration.
(About the dragon maid in the beginning) I was in a sexually abusive relationship when I was 14 he was 20. He was really into anime and would always make lewd comments about the child characters (even if they were sexualised or not) and then proceed to try and reflect those lewd thoughts onto me bc of my age, and call me by the characters name. Constantly talking about how he loved my “child look”, that way it felt more “realistic” to him.
my situation's a bit more different, but alike !! thats y i get rlly upset when ppl say "it doesn't affect reality", like?? they wouldnt know that lmao ALSO i hope ur feeling fine now !!
@@justsomesperm Yeah I totally agree! Then again I don’t believe everyone who watches a show with sexualised characters (in anime) are bad ppl. You can still watch them and not be creepy you know. But don’t act like it doesn’t affect reality. This whole ”it’s just art” argument makes me mad! And to answer you’re last question, yes I’m fine now and surrounded by better ppl :)
I'm so sorry for what happened to you and hope you are fine. Media totally affects reality. I knew two boys from my highschool who were lolicon and would creep on 12 year old girls regularly. On a trip abroad, they also have been reported to hit on children in front of a elementary school. Truly horrifying. Sadly at the time I did not know about it and now, after my graduation, I'm glad to never see them again.
I think another thing with fiction and reality is that healthy discussion and criticism of media in general can help create consciousness over separating reality and fantasy, so that people are aware of harmful stuff propagated by certain media, and can consciously avoid internalizing it when enjoying that media, regardless of whether the media itself is regulated or anything like that.
She was intentionally misleading with her information. Take for example the stuff about abuse rates increasing in Japan. Those rises reflect physical abuse, which has seen similar increases everywhere due to the pandemic. Sexual abuse has always been, and remains to be lower in Japan than almost any other country, and is a FRACTION of the rates we see here in the West.
people get weird ideas whenever they see someone, especially a woman, making a point they don't like. keep it up! these points need to be made, and you make the world better by making them.
Ikr? For example, One Piece is my absolutely favorite manga and it's mostly consumed by woman in Japan, which doesn't mean there isn't any criticism to be made about how Oda portrays women and lgbt. That being said, he is making some nice improvements in this last arc, at least regarding transgender. Making constructive criticism NEVER should be considered a problem, even writers should ask for help and feedback to make a better work, you know?
@@UmTois i think i watched a video here on yt were someone showed japanese female fans being critical of some of Oda's decisions regarding design and he just brushed them off, an odd experience that was
Thank you for addressing how anime often sexualizes children and women and explaining how it truly affects reality. Those are the main reasons why I tend to feel uncomfortable watching that kind of media, especially the stuff some male relatives watch. Having someone ruthlessly spell it out in plain terms with no excuses is so refreshing!
but it only affects reallity if the ones that do it already had the Fckd tendensies, not because they are influenced by a cartoon, if it was Really a Problem there would be none in anime
We dont defend Child sexualization, we dont care about FICTIONAL child sexualization, the Response is about her mixing the two like they are one and the same we dont care about the Dragon maid Loli because she doesnt represent a real person we Cared About the Cuties movie because there WAS REAL CHILDREN DOING IT
Feels odd to comment it on a video like this one, and a year after it's release, but watching back through some of your videos I adore how you out together your points, they're structured in a way that, while wholly accurate and true, is still entertaining and {usually} not too dark to have on in the background. And also just how affirming and sweetly you talk, it makes hard times a little bit easier to just hear little kind words like at the end of the video.
this is mainly due to people getting mad at the machine and it falling ontop of the person completely smothering them of air and crushed under it while a shark attack is rare and only really attacks if there is blood present or mistook you as a seal
@@milkstir6136 I wished more people would BE the opposite of Cancel-Culture. I mean: Holy Flip. I know, a bit random, but its so heavy on my mind, i just have to say it 'somewhere': I just found that theres a YT-Channel literally named 'Normalizing Nudity'! Wow! Every single Video is report-worthy! A craaazy channel, where the Gender-Ratio being off is really only one thing that tipps you off that this Channel is NOT educational, duh... ...Wow... I wished more people would report or flag channel. Going out of their way to help the plattform; know what i mean?
Honestly I gotta say it's nice to finally have found a channel saying the same stuff I've been saying for literal years now. Sometimes it feels like no one else cares about how sexualized children are in anime, or even worse, they enjoy it. This is my favorite TH-cam channel now.
She was intentionally misleading with her information. Take for example the stuff about abuse rates increasing in Japan. Those rises reflect physical abuse, which has seen similar increases everywhere due to the pandemic. Sexual abuse has always been, and remains to be lower in Japan than almost any other country, and is a FRACTION of the rates we see here in the West.
@@elara6370 she was talking about how one mistake doesn’t define a person forever, and showed clips of the main character of a silent voice attempting to make amends for his mistakes.
@@elara6370 I wished more people would BE the 180 degree opposite of Cancel-Cultrue! I even know how. I know, a bit random, but its so heavy on my mind, i just have to say it 'somewhere': I just found that there is a YT-Channel literally named 'Normalizing Nudity'! Wow! Every single Video is report-worthy! A yt-channel, where the Gender-Ratio being off is really only one thing that tipps you off that this Channel is NOT educational, duh... ...Wow... I wished more people would report or flag channel. Going out of their way to help the plattform; know what i mean?
I can tell that a lot of research and effort went into this video but you made a mistake in your arguments. 6:15 The PROTECT Act of 2003 was overruled. It was overruled because it was unconstitutionally vague, and so it has no legal value. This law was also made in 2003 when a lot of countries were struggling to find appropriate laws to cover the rapid growth of the internet. A more accurate law to point to on this topic would be the "18 US Code § 2256" which (to paraphrase) says that the depiction has to be to be indistinguishable from real children or adults for it to be considered an offence. So your point about this being unprotected speech is technically not true.
Your counter argument about Japan's lower rape count showing that its not what its reported to be is very concrete. Though, A Study done by Miltonn Diamond, Petr Weiss, and Eva Jozifkova called "Pornography and sex crimes in the Czech Republic" showed that in the Czech republic, after decriminalizing all possible sexual content, there was a rapid decline in the number of reported cases of child abuse. This study also Showed similar results in Denmark and Japan. So take that how you will.
Arguments like the ones at 39:55 are very exhausting to read, so I would also like to make a stronger counter argument against your "Fiction does not equal Reality" and "Media does affect Reality" segments. The 1st amendment was made to protect unpopular opinions, even harmful ones. This is a very political matter with a lot of basis in opinion, but I personally don't find value in allowing governments to have control over the personal expression of others in any situation, even when that expression is harmful or offensive. Only exception to that being is if the art being made causes harm in the process of creation. Though I do agree that if you find media that you don't agree with that you shouldn't support it, and even do what you're doing to counter said media. This helps society as a whole figure out what it wants by itself without giving more artificial influence to one part of it. I get that this is somewhat boiling down to "it doesn't harm children" and if you wanna make a stretch also "if you don't like it don't watch it", but I feel that it is important to tie this into a bigger picture. Also based on your video it doesn't seem like you completely disagree with me. Basically what I'm saying here is that the implications of a possible correlation between media and action doesn't justify censorship, and the people as a whole should decide how they want to express themselves and what expressions they want to support. This is partly in agreement to your point, but your point is about creators taking responsibility and being held accountable for their art and its more against certain types of media while mine is more welcoming to all opinions and expressions to be put into into the judgment cauldron of society.
Thanks for making this video, there were lots of really great points that I can agree with, and I think the "how to move forward" section hit it spot on the nose. I could also call you out for getting mad at people that don't do research (which idk why you would expect that from a 'normal' youtube comment) and then getting the PROTECT Act part wrong, but its really a common mistake, and I only point this out now because I find it funny xD. Though this video did get me to think about this topic and eventually help me come to my own conclusion which I can discuss... with no one probably, because i find it hard to think that anyone would read all of this hahah.
In regards to the statement at the beginning, esp around 3:30, Id like to cite a good friend of mine, Yedoye:
For the people who cite japan's age of consent in casual conversation, you are a part of the reason they still shouldnt allow international travel out of the U.S. If you need a law to tell you its creepy... well... you're probably creepy yourself...
curt spittin facts as usual 💯
It's funny how, as often as it is brought up, I don't actually remember the age of consent in Japan. I suppose it's because I don't need to know.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!! I hate when people try to use that to justify there creepy perverted fantasies.
A pleasant surprise seeing you here! But anyway that point is 100% correct.
Your friend is right on the nose.
I despise the “age of consent is 13 in Japan!!!” argument so much. Like 99% of the time the person doesn’t even live in japan
I hate it because the age of consent in Japan isn’t even 13 in most prefectures. In most places it’s been raised to 18 or older. The two prefectures where it’s 13 basically have like two people living there. Smh.
The people who make that argument definitely need to be put on the FBI watchlist.
Hard agree. Legality is not morality. Laws are often old and reflections of racist/sexist/otherwise terrible ideas of the time and are often not updated because of the long legal processes involved. "It's the law" is a terrible argument when the argument we're having is a moral one, since laws don't always reflect current moral standards.
on the other hand i’ve seen ppl argue about 18-19 y/os bc the age of “adulthood” in japan is 20. morality =/= legality
Me : *tries to explain that the age of consent in my country is 15 and that as such, I did the thing with my girlfriend when I was 16*
Americans : *calls me a creepy pervert* "eh law and morality are different"
Ok then explain why your law is more moral than ours ? Do you realise how pretencious this argument is ?
Also gonna add to age of consent arguments: just because it is legal doesn't mean it is right. Psychological studies have proven that children and teens are not developmentally equipped to understand the long term effects of sex and cannot consent because they don't know what they are doing. It has been proven harmful to their development to engage in sex, especially with an older partner, at those young ages. Choosing to use that as an excuse is just legally harming children instead of illegally doing it
If you want to be technical a person’s brain isn’t fully developed until 25 years of age.
thank you, legality is not morality
@@Sergio-wc1wn by that llogic a 1000 year old loli should not act like a child because shes a kid in "dragon years" , but a full adult even if she looked like a loli
@@Sergio-wc1wn there are actually a few people advocating raising the age of consent above 18. I personally think we should adapt and think of "age ranges" a bit more than a magic number that makes you an adult. I'm not a medical professional though, so I have no idea what developmental ranges that should be.
But maybe if we provide better sexual education, including information about consent and power imbalances, we can help teens protect themselves by being better able to spot an older adult trying to take advantage of them. Maybe we should look at ranges like 18-20 amongst themselves, but no way a 25 year old should be messing with an 18 year old. 21-24 because that's just being able to drink and maybe getting ready to leave college or already have been in the workforce for a few years, 25+ because by then your brain is developed.
Again, not a psychologist or anything. Somebody smarter than me has to figure out the exact developmental age ranges that people within that age range can consent amongst themselves
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Their brains must take a longer time to develop if they still look like a child she even acts like one.
10:10 As someone familiar with the original version "Don't like, Don't Read", I think it should be noted this originally came from the Fanfic community, and is in reference to reading fics with darker stuff that is explicitly stated in the description/tags, e.g. Major Character Death; Hurt/No Comfort; Dead Dove, Do Not Eat; ect.
It is not a defence against criticizing the work, just that you shouldn't force yourself to read it if it is something you know you won't like, especially if it's explicitly stated by the author.
THIS.
I 'love' when things get popular and become pure irony lol.
exactly, the point is “if youre not looking for a fic with a mc death, then dont read. and if you do, don’t complain”
when other people use ‘dont like, dont read/watch’ in reference for the blatant or subtle red flags its wrong.
dont like, dont read/watch is a statment for opinions, personal preferences. its not a defense, it’s basically a tag warning
if u dont like something, dont view it
but if u dont like something bcuz it negatively affects a certain group of ppl or urself, u can make a fuss abt it. (repsectfully and civilly, duh)
PRECISELY. And I think another thing that's important to keep in mind is that fanfic is fundamentally different in a few different ways, the audiences tend to be much smaller, they are being created usually by one person working alone, maybe you've got a friend or someone who likes your work helping with editing but even that is rare, and they're almost always not monetized. There are a wide variety of reasons that it makes sense to have different standards for fanfic than for published works.
I wish a few commenters would take that to heart with this video
"just use piracy to seperate artist and art"
hohoho.... I've always been in the right road
Reject bad people, go back to pirate
@@mimikyulover3411 Reject human pirate, return to monke sidekick
We shall sail the high seas!
As a wise man once said, "Do what you want cuz a pirate is free: You Are a Pirate!"
ive been downloading songs off mp3juices.cc all the time ive spent on the internet
"The problem with cancel culture is that it removes any possibility of growth." This line right here is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I admit I don't agree with all of your videos, but was really really happy to hear that. People can change and what is common knowledge at any given time has every right to be destroyed--as what is common knowledge now may not be 25 years down the road.
Cancel culture is such a buzzword and is only really a thing that comes up on twitter so best thing to do to avoid it is to avoid having a presence on twitter
I'm someone who believes that a person shouldn't be canceled for the comments/jokes they make or media they create/consume. The only time someone probably should be cancelled is if they're actively harming others or speaking of harming people. And even then, they should still be given a second chance if they show signs of improving. People are people with their own viewpoints and experiences and they can still grow.
It’s not a real thing.
@@SaiyanGamer95 Unless harming others is justified depending on why they do it. Especially if it’s a reaction to some other suffering that they themselves would’ve went through if, they did #not shut down the source of that pain & suffering with initiating pain & suffering???
@@SaiyanGamer95 Even Pedos can grow. Even an accidentally tricked “pedo” quote un quote. Fake ID cards have tricked older people before sadly.
The thing people keep missing is, fiction can’t override an existing, strongly held belief, but if you have a gap in knowledge, fiction can fill it with misinformation. Everybody knows that murder is wrong but nobody knows a shark. That’s the problem, and that’s why violent video game comparisons don’t work here.
Same applies to other stuff, like ADHD.
Best explanation I’ve seen
I went back to rewatch this video and saw this comment and holy shit is so simple and important
to add to that, at the end of the day, it's not the fictional work's job to educate you. jaws wasn't meant as an educative movie, and nsfw art is not meant to be sex ed. if a child stumbles upon say a fiction that portrays incest without explicitly condemning it, and they didn't have enough education about romantic and sexual relationship so they had to fill the gap with whatever was in that fic, it's not the author's fault but their parents for not having that talk with them. Same goes for even for vanilla nsfw content. if a teen is having unsafe sex because most characters in fics don't use protection, that's not the author's fault but the education system's for not giving enough sex ed. and now even author's are conscious of it and try to give as much warnings as possible, tags like "unsafe sexual practices" and "dead dove, do not eat" are here for that (for those who don't know, dead dove do not eat basically mean: this work contains morally questionable/reprehensible/wrong content, said content won't be explicitly condaimned if at all, but the author knows said content is wrong)
tldr: if someone, and especially someone young, get wrong messages from work that was not meant to be informative, especially nowadays when author's tag and put warnings on the most "problematic" content, it's not the author's fault/responsibility, but the educational system for not already educating them on the subject. and that's why we should prioritize making sex ed available to all (for those interested scarleteen have very good queer-friendly resources on the matter)
just to clarify I agree with you, I'm just adding a bit from my own to your idea
I am Japanese, about the age of consent thing in Japan, its not that anybody thinks its okay that the age is 13, and there has been talks about changing it many times and what it usually boils down to is "then what age do we change it to?" and nobody can agree on it be 16, 18 or even 20, and usually just settle down on "well every local government has made their decision on it why not leave it at that." Also its not like a bunch of 13 year old girls are getting married or pregnant left and right so, its not like there is major pressure to raise it for prevention.
Honest question though: Is Anime & Manga seen as Problematic or is it just a minor western perspective?
I heard that a majority of Japanese don't even watch anime because there's no time for it. Manga on the other hand is read by everyone of all ages. But is it Problematic as this video claims?
@@Mecks089 Well the way I see it its the same as video games cause violence debate. Also statistics I really find it a bit disingenuous when you don't show actual numbers and trends in them, for example say the number of gun violence related deaths in Japan rose 200%, that would be about 4 people dying of guns a year. But you can still say gun violence in Japan has exploded can't you?
@@saifis That depends on the context of the reports. The term Gun Violence is also very obtuse, as it can mean many different incidents in regarding a gun-related crimes. Was it a home accident? Hunting accident? Isolated incident? Mugging/Robbing? Homicide? Police dispute Issue? Gang Issue? An American Army Base issue?
There needs to be more context involved otherwise it's just a blur of a result.
@@Mecks089 That is exactly what I said I'm not sure why you are rephrasing what I said, my point is using numbers and graphs to show your point often times have setbacks especially when you are compared 2 graphs from different sources, often times won't support your point but becomes a point that will unravel it.
I thought the 13 yo thing itself was only "legal" if the partner was also young, am I mistaken? I thought it was still very much illegal for anyone over 18 to be with a literal child. Yeah I don't care how you try to justify it, at 13 you are a child.
Remember when it was revealed Isao Takahata, one of the founders of Ghibli, purpose worked people to the death of their careers and even their own deaths? Dude practically killed off an entire generation's worth of artists and literally worked to death others cause he demanded perfection. People even knew and confronted him about it and he just kinda nodded to it at one of their character designer's funeral (who was 47)
Damn this is crazy I am only
Hearing about this now. So most of the high quality movies is cause most of the artist were over worked?
Not just any people, but Yoshifumi Kondō who made Whisper of the Heart. Ghibli is gonna die within a generation.
cant have shit in detriot. mannnnnn
A Turtle doesn't approve of lolicon 🤮🤮🤮👎
@The Otaku J ChannelThank you, it's good to ask for a source.
Man I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned about cancel culture
It always bugged me that cancelling someone sort of robs them of the chance to change their behavior and learn. Human beings are not infallible. Maybe it's naive of me to think so, but I wanna believe most people are willing to listen and change when merely called out instead of cancelled
We need to help lolicons change to be normal members of society.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad What?
@@Just_a_turtle_chad unless you mean it the good way, turning them back into normal people
I believe that *a lot* of people are willing to listen and change. But, I think *most people* aren't willing to listen and change, because they haven't deeply considered that they could be wrong. People don't automatically recognize that there is an actual problem in many circumstances, so defensiveness and insincere apologies are a major concern.
@@sunMMVIII
Lots of people refuse to accept they are in the wrong, even though there's proof and logic.
A guy who was "cancelled" for raping 2 women killed himself yesterday... The news were all like "venezuelan writter kills himself" and no one was like "rapist kills himself to avoid jail" wich is what really happened...
Its touchy too, because, I think that the news referring to someone as "rapist" before conviction can be equally dangerous. But once he or she is convicted, then go all out, call 'em whatever.
@@nukiradio he admited it days before the suicide...
@@gingercore69 i am sure the news try to avoid "defamation", despite it's obvious who is wrong here
@@gingercore69 I would agree that him admitting it is damning evidence. However under the law it's usually what you can prove and not the evidence itself that determines innocence or guilty
That's not what 'cancelling' generally refers to, and the people it affects aren't usually literal criminals who would otherwise be dealt with by the justice system anyway, you know.
Art affecting people is literally the entire point of art.
I KNOW RIGHT! that's what I'm thinking.
I'm a digital artist- also a minor- and I'd like to say I'm actually more educated on pedophilia topics than most gen z adults out there. Just puts it in perspective how narrow-minded you can be when you're defending something that you consume.
Problematic media is problematic, no matter who *you* are. (This isn't directed at you! ^^)
Bugs bunny taught me that bunnies eat carrots when in reality carrots are unhealthy for them. I learned that two months ago. Art has a vice grip on humanity.
Couldn't say it better myself-
Y your pfp looking like a mugshot?
@@RezieThe3rd2480 If you believe in such a thing as "problematic" art you can't be an artist. You will never even understand what the concept it from the outside, let alone be one.
You're either with the book burners or against it. Keep trying to tie everything with whatever crime you're imagining currently all you want. A art-hating censor you are and a art-hating censor you will remain.
The funny part about it being more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark is that it's all because of human vanity. People getting mad at vending machines and shaking them causing them to fall over. In the end, we are always our own worst enemy.
oooooo
philosophical lol
It is important to note that people have been afraid of sharks loooooong before Jaws, there are literally ancient myths about sea creatures based on sharks. Jaws did not cause the fear of sharks, and had no noticeable effect son shark populations.
@leo For some reason youtube isn't letting me paste the link. Just search "psychologytoday media myth". They lay out how the decrease in shark population hasn't significantly increased since the release of Jaws, and that even the writer of Jaws said that he based the story on fears that were already common at the time.
@@theblasblas yeah, TH-cam is super shit with links. Idk why
I guess they think it’s spam
In other other words, we ruined everything. In other other other words, we suck.
You are handling this shockingly, shockingly level headed. The amount of empathy reasonableness while still holding boundaries is actually super refreshing.
A Turtle approves of the way she is handling this.
Nah
@@murderman8578 Get out of here you lolicon defender 🤮👎
@@Just_a_turtle_chad We approve of your disapproval of the individual in question
@Andromeda Bro just admit that you are too anti intellectual to understand what the video is saying and that you also enjoy watching lolicon.
The age of consent in Japan is not 13 idk why people always get that wrong but no one under 18 can walk into an adult store, or go to a AV shop if they are under 18, or even 20, etc. ALL the same rules apply. There are many efforts to raise the minimum age, its not just accepted in society or something like that.
I think the reason plenty of people get it is because of the constant spreading of that misinformation. Even searching up what Japans age of consent is it says 13. And even me myself was confused for the longest time about what Japans age of consent was, as plenty of people were saying that the age of consent was 13 in general,that the age of consent differed depending on the region of of where you were at in Japan or that 13 was the age of consent for teens aged 13-17 and the that the general age of consent was 18. Hope that explains it.
it's only some areas with the 13 age of consent in major cities and like a lot of prefectures in Japan it's 18 but it can go as low as 16 if there is parental consent.
@@greatninja2590 So the age of consent depends on the prefectures it seems,it like in the us how the age of consent depends on the state.
Thank you for this information. I genuinely did not know or understand this.
That's people for you.
This might be the most nuanced video essay I've seen talking about this subject.
I see a lot of takes that are either "fiction never has any consequences" or "eww this media/author is gross, right? let's all sit around and agree about how gross they are and how much better we are for hating them". It's refreshing to hear "media does affect reality but solving the problems it causes is not as simple as flinging hate at the creators/consumers and sometimes that hinders their mistakes getting fixed."
Which is why difficult issues are either brushed aside or hurr-durr'd - when you sit around agreeing how morally superior you are for liking/disliking something you get instant gratification for zero effort, meanwhile trying to actually solve problematic issues is a job for a lifetime and it may ultimately fail anyway. People don't like putting in effort for things that don't affect them personally, but they sure do like being with the "good guys".
this is why i miss her. she's very nuanced with her takes and nobody really wants to be. shame people bullied her off the internet.
"Just use Piracy please"
Me living in Argentina: Wait... do I actually had to pay for all the anime I consume all these years? I thought it was for free!
hello fellow argentinian 👁️
@@coeurulea Hello :D
on the same page with you
@@someonen2367 Nice :3
I don't get it
I’m Japanese and Jesus Christ thank you you’re the only youtuber who actually corrected the age of consent!! It’s literally like, 13 no where here ! But government grandpas please change the minimum LOL
No
I'm pretty sure most westerners understand that the age of consent is older than strictly 13 there. It's really easy to be misinformed though
@@Direblade11 They have separate laws specifically for dealing with foreign nationalists. If your an American age of consent is 18, no exceptions. Some countries might allow 16 so japan will allow it but no younger 16 it's cut off there. 13 is permissible in some prefectures for Japanese national only be it omeai or simply parental approved no exceptions, never foreigners.
People who make that argument are just arguing in bad faith imo. I’ve seen it disproven every time it’s brought up
@Lionard Kirsch It's not as common as it use to be but arranged marriages of that type still happen. Wealthy married off to wealthy. Most omei aren't real arranged marriages anymore either, in older people who have had no luck or failed at dating might sign up for speed date or cruse strangely enough they also have mass weddings. Parental pressure does play a big role in actual arranged marriage tho. And a lot of the ones you think are kids really aren't. There's a lot more what westerners would refer to as legal loli than you think.
I always find people that bring up the age of consent as an argument weird. Like, just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's morally fine. Legality and morality aren't the same thing.
And it is only half true. The age of consent is NOT 13 in Japan, the Prefectures decide the age of consent much like how the State law decides it in the USA, 13 is the lowest any Prefecture could set it under Federal Law. None of the Prefectures I could find data on have the age consent under 16. Tokyo Prefecture has the same age of Consent as California in the US which is 18
While i am against most of her arguments in regards to her talking about loliart, and that it apparently is a problem of any kind, i will say, i agree with your statement, the "age of consent" and the "she's 5000 years old" arguments are bad, and don't really prove anything.
Yeah fiction is fiction and reality is reality they can do whatever they want in fiction and that’s fine but to mix fiction and reality you gotta be someone on the delusional side.
A Turtle doesn't approve of the "she's 5000 years old excuse"
@@Just_a_turtle_chad not in real life
An interesting thing about doing more research is that sometimes it can actually make something that looks problematic seem a lot less so. I was really disturbed the first time I heard the story of Shakespeare’s the taming of the shrew, as I think a lot of people are, but learning the context around it made me realize that it was actually extremely progressive for its time. It was basically a commentary on a certain style of comedic plays where the whole joke was a guy beating his wife into submission. All of the sudden a story that looked like it was about extreme abuse came to me in a story about saying hey, don’t beat up your wife. Even if she’s awful. She will come to love you more if you are kind to her. And while any given person may or may not agree with the idea that she ought to be submitting to him in the end, it is a big difference from looking at it from a modern perspective. Anyway I just thought that was interesting
Yep in both directions research is great
I feel like another reason people get so up in arms about fiction effecting reality is because of the whole "video games are making kids more violent" or "this music is satanic and corrupting our kids" purity culture. There's this whole thing where everything either has to be absolutely pure and unproblematic, or nothing is problematic in the first place.
Yeah I agree. Since my culture would say that evanescence is satanic and bad while other rap artists are talking of rpe women and killing people
There's also the wishful ideal of "Fiction *shouldn't* affect reality."
Obviously it's... not really the case. It should be. But it's not.
We can't have nice things because humans are humans and humans do stupid human things and make stupid human assumptions.
The laser-focused pattern recognition we possess works against us and will make false patterns and extrapolate them into places they don't belong. It happens with taking things out of fiction, it's why conspiracy theories spiral out of control, it's why things like cancel culture can send a whole mob against someone completely innocent.
Because as much as our rational mind can separate a boundary between reality and fiction, the primal parts of the brain are still stupid monkeys that can't tell a difference between a reflection and a photo.
I hope that one day we can leave that part of our psyche behind us, because good lord are we not going to grow as a species as long as our ancient survival instincts actively work against our society and world evolving so much faster than our squishy processor up there. It's why social media is a terrible blight that causes people to actively *regress* socially, because humans just are NOT designed to handle how the worst parts of our psyches can easily be brought out online.
That's what we call the objection to new media, and that's been a thing forever. Crime and detective series (like Sherlock Holmes) used to be taboo because people thought it would make people want to go out and kill. Hell, even the written word was rejected by many cultures for the longest time because they thought it would make people unable to think if they weren't required to retain all that information in their head.
Among the different protests of new media include, but are not limited to:
Motion pictures
"Talkies" (talking in motion pictures)
Technicolor (Color in movies)
Home TVs
Color TVs
Multiple channels
Cable
TV remotes
Video players
Home video cameras
The internet
Email
Instant Messaging systems
Emoticons (now Emojis)
Horror novels
Romance novels
Erotica
Pornography
Board games
Card games
Video games
Comic books
D&D
Virtual reality
Radio
Dancing
The new music of the 20s
The new music of the 30s
The new music of the 40s
The new music of the 50s
The new music of the 60s
The new music of the 70s
The new music of the 80s
The new music of the 90s
The new music of the 2000s
The new music of the New Tens
Jazz
Rock & Roll
Heavy metal
Rap
Karaoke
Music in foreign languages
Foreign-made media
Vinyl records
8 Track
Laserdisc
Digital formatting
Internet memes
And that's just the short list from the last century. The first settlers here in America were of an extremely radical fringe that effectively got booted out of England after they tried to assassinate the king, and believed color is a gateway for the devil.
@@dcscruz2970 IKR? Hypocrisy at its finest 😞
Some people are afraid to engage in things in a non-black-and-white way it seems. Shows a lack of ability or willingness to actually think and critically examine these things with your own brain
Cancel culture is super toxic, Ive seen people getting attacked on twitter in swarms just for liking something "they" deemed problematic, and it isnt even that problematic imo, this hurts ppl so much, being sent death threats, I felt so bad for those who are ostracized, cancel culture and twitter is the most toxic thing. Ostracizing people who do something minorly offensive is the opposite of making someone more tolerant.
That's what happens when a platform fosters a culture of "If you dislike something get it cancelled"
A Turtle doesn't approve of cancel culture
Look at lindsay ellis's video. It pretty much states the experience of a person getting cancelled for basically nothing
@@Just_a_turtle_chad well that a fucking lie
@@gdash1996 how-
I think "The Good Place" sums it up pretty nicely; "The most important thing a human can do is try. they just need to get a little better every day."
Thank you for mentioning this. You don't want to end up like Douglas "Doug" L. Forcett.
Oh my god, I never thought Id see someone reference "The Good Place". But yeah, the important thing about it is to try and get better each day.
@@Pandaemonium his life was and _is_ tragic.
Especially when they revealed that his points are... _well you know what happened._
Yeah, being worried is fine,
i guess,
but how about
'acting'?
I mean, I am kinda levels beyond your
'worry' already and have already done a lot.
I have made it my Hobby to be the
Opposite of cancel-culture; something i hope
you at least know is possible? Cause it would
be really sad if you dont?
Cancel-Culture has made people, after all, believe that
use of the report/flag-option, for example, is now 'eeeevvvillll',
which is of course hilariously wrong, duh.
I meanwhile actively search and confirm
problematic content, like Racists (mind this
really just being an example cause this
comment is already getting too long...),
so they get deleted.
So if ever making or even just watching
TH-cam-Videos about 'Being Worried' is
not enough for you anymore (cause why would it)
and you wanna act - tell me. I know a way.
How does that relate to the video?
I love how Noralities includes a shark warning for viewers and then proceeds to use footage of a completely harmless whale shark.
Online harassment isn’t canceling, it’s cyber bullying. If you want to cancel something or someone, just delete them from your life! Harassment is never good, no matter who it’s directed at. Trust me, well thought out criticisms are the way to go if you really want to bring attention to problematic behavior.
Where's the Problematic behavior of the Author of Dragon maid, he still gonna make more money than you
@@murderman8578 Imagine defending lolicon lol cringe. Go back to your basement to watch your gross lolicon 🤮
@Andromeda Oh no another lolicon defender get out of here you undesirable human 🤮🏳️
But authoritarian regimes are deleting minorities they don't like from their lives and that is very bad
@Andromeda I can agree with that. That’s why when I argue with someone I use a reference list
I just want to say how much of a breath of fresh air it is to see someone address literally some of my least favorite things that people actively ignore in the anime community. I just really enjoy watching your videos.
she calling out a community saying things like "these elements needs to fix because i dont like them", imagine you hear someone talking shit about your tastes, you go on and defend it or at least try to reason with the offense, them your called a pedo by a stranger that doesnt know you, because you like Dragon maid..
Every video she did except for the Dragon maid and Isekai are SO GOOD... because she says things people ignore in Nice Shows. but the two exceptions are a Rant on other shows that she didn't even cared for but complained about it anyway like they had a problem needed to be fixed.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 The Dragon Maid video was also good. the Isekai one had valid arguments, but Re:Zero wasn’t a good example since it’s a deconstruction of the genre and needed to set up the stereotypical parts of Isekai so it could break them down. I’m not the biggest fan of Re:Zero, but I can safely say that it’s the exact opposite of a power fantasy. It sucks because people are going to be using the Re:Zero part to dismiss her opinions on everything else she talked about. As for the Dragon Maid video, she didn’t miss, not once. I’m not saying that if you enjoy the show or like Kanna (platonic or parental love only) then you’re a ped0, but Kanna and Saikawa are sexualized constantly, Iruru too. They’re all minors, so it’s gross. I enjoy the show, but I can still acknowledge that Dragon Maid is like, 20% ped0 bait.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 honestly i think she should focus on what she likes, since that isekai video felt unfair as she'd generalize why people like certain shows despite the fact she's only watched 4
@@blitz4506 she didn't generalize in the video she says that you can like something and accept it's issues, which is good, because that wsy the problems can change. Specially if you have been in cons and have seen the amount of harrasment there is because people think that because they see those actions in anime they should be done in real life
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Hey not sure if you missed it but at 1:38 she mentioned that she's going in good faith that the people who disagreed with her original video either are confused or just disagree. She never called them pedos.
Also she had a whole section from about 14:38 - 18:28 about how people aren't bad for liking problematic media, including dragons maid. The issue isn't liking dragons maid and the issue isn't the dragons maid community as a whole. Hell she didn't even critique the dragons maid community as a whole in either of her videos.
Its not the community, its the media itself. And even then its not like the whole media is shiet, she even says at 11:43 "The problem was not that I didn't like dragon maid, the problem was that it perpetuated harmful imagery of sexualized children, which is harmful to children"
Yoo she’s back, yay
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Yoo she's back, gay!
Yay
Yay!!! 😄
As a trans person, I really appreciate that you're standing up for us. I live in a country where homophobia and transphobia are rampant and trans people get ridiculed and mocked on TV (my main reason for not coming out), even murdered in some parts of the country. Still, knowing people like you from my internet circles are actively speaking to defend us gives me hope. From the bottom of my heart, thank you. ❤
The fact I can name more than one country that fits this description concerns me.
“you can not use culture differences as a defense when part of that culture also ends up hurting people” THIS
Lolicons still wouldn't understand since they're all braindead.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad and you realize the video uploader is a shotacon, yes? That kinda makes her a hypocrite
@@TheDarkAngel969 Is she? She did show shotacon stuff when talking about supposed harmfullness of sexualizing children, so she likely considers shotas bad too.
Just stating facts, I don't agree with her, but I don't think she is a hypocrite.
@@TheDarkAngel969 She is not. Stop spreading your misinformation.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad Japan has the lowest rates in Sexual Child Abuse cases compared to the rest of the world, including being lower than America, which lil miss Noralitie happily boasted Merica about. Not defending such actions but her information is far from the truth. And she knows it. One of her sources literally stated that "There is no clear connection with Loli/Shota Media being tied to the abuse cases.
The only thing that is large in rates, are the Physical Abuse cases and Neglect.
"Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good" -
Martyr Logarius
Did I miss some extra dialogue at Cainhurst??
lovely
I did not expect to see that here, but nice.
@@pacnat_9069 nah, it's from an item description. If memory serves, it's on some of the Executioner attire or weapons.
Unexpected Bloodborne reference and I'm not mad about it.
As one of the new subscribers, I can't express enough how important it was to hear someone express their discontent about media. Having shaped a lot of my opinions on "being one of the boys", it feels like I'm finally uncovering some ""dark and sad"" truth about what I'm consuming and how I'm ignoring some of its less-than-ideal to outright-disgusting aspects.
Oh my goodness! I can't agree more! All this sexualizing in anime just flew over my head and I used to see it as normal, but after noralities pointed it out it opened my eyes.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one feeling like that :/ Can’t tell whether this video alleviates or worsens my guilt lol
It's fine to be gross out but don't reach
@@murderman8578 they aren't really... sexualization of characters in the anime and manga industry is absolutely rampant. even minors. they're being a little melodramatic, sure but not wrong.
@@WhatIsMyPorpoise Bruh it's always been like that bitching about it isn't going to change
A thing I’ve been coining lately, “when you’re convinced the other person is the devil, anything becomes fair game”
Where I live an author was arrested for writing about minors being sexually assaulted in the context of a horror story. He was found not guilty and released, but the point is, no one was defending what he wrote, everyone agreed it was disgusting. People only defended the freedom to write and that’s it. Also, the fact that it was a horror story. What he wrote wasn’t framed as cute or hot. It was there to make you feel uncomfortable
Edit: a lot of y’all are blaming the liberals or sjw’s or whatever but it was actually 30 year old moms that had problems with it from what I’ve seen
Edit: Also I’ve been thinking. It does bring up some interesting points. If a p*do writes and/or reads and... enjoys... books like Lolita... it’s not inherently wrong? I mean, it's disgusting but they're not harming anyone. I’d rather they’d be doing that than like sexually assaulting minors. But does reading these make them want the irl version more than if they hadn’t? Is it a good outlet or does it make them more dangerous to everyone around?
I believe in the Freedom of Art just like most French People also do. There shouldn’t be limits to art and Anime is in my Opinion an Art form even when some People argue it’s too commercialized but for me it’s Art. All this talking about Cancel this Cancel that wich mostly come from Leftist Circles in the USA and spread all over the World annoys me even Media in my Country like to have articles about how problematic certain old Movies or even Cartoons like Lucky Luke are and that you shouldn’t Watch them anymore that BS you have to see This Media in the Context of the time it was made and on top not everything have to be 100 % Political Correct. Lucky Luke for example is a Parodie of Western Movies and the Tropes / Stereotypes you find in these Movies it’s a Satire and the Stereotypical Characters are there to Satirize those Western Movies who also Had these Stereotypes
Sexual harassment in anime can exist as long as it’s framed in a bad way.
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 so than you would probably think something like Lolita is Bad too (The Novel)
@@IcidLink What is Lolita? Other than the fashion I’ve heard of.
@Simply Emoni Is it framed in an a bad way? And also does he get over with it or finds a way to stop lusting for her in the end.
yay i’m obsessed with this channel actually
Gotta love her avatar, funny thumbnail and thoughtful discussions.
Condolences
Sorry about that.
Pretty sad Ngl
Did you guys notice that across this whole comment section it's like the same 3 or 4 guys being negative in the comment threads?
One thing about HP Lovecraft is that he regreted being racist later in his life.
While that is good. It does not change all of the racist things he has put into his books and immortalised
Really!? I kinda thought he died racist and terrified of everything..
I thought he kinda swung back and forth throughout his life.
The Creator of Tintin apologized for his racism long ago too. 👍
@@athroneoflies8785 though he isn’t praised for being racist, and isn’t forgotten not because he is racist but because he pioneered a genre of horror that has shaped horror media today. Him being racist doesn’t take away from what he has done for art.
Lol, the use of Cruel Angel’s Thesis in the “Fiction is not Reality” really got me.
lmaooooo
I'm honestly really glad you're talking about this issues in the anime community that nobody else seems to pay attention to.
And yet she didn’t pay much attention to Re:zero or it’s themes.
In my country there are some podcasts that do talk about these things in animes (there’s also one that is fully devouted to watch and criticize really really bad animes, members are pretty masochysts), but i do agree there should be way more.
@@brandonlyon730 I disagree, I know people who have critical thinking that either disliked Re:Zero or liked it despite acknowledging its flaws, nothing is above criticism.
Also, many of the responses were quite aggresive on twitter tbh, I really do wonder if she commited that much of a mistake or if people were just overly defensive with passion
(which is how people reacted on TLOU2 or The Last Jedi on the internet btw. Yes I'm bringing them up, I don't care if its offtopic or if they went against fandom desires, because the hate was SUPER disproportional)
@@UmTois she did commit a mistake Nataliexhunter explains everything she’s wrong about
@@brandonlyon730 yup
I really respect how clear and concise you are about your stances on various issues. Everything we see in anime and in media in general. I'm typically not a critical thinker, so your videos have really helped me reflect and expand upon existing opinions I've had. I guess I just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do on this platform!
we consume a foreign culture, we don't have influence over it, discussions about whats right or wrong is pointless unless its done there, her "theres a problem with X" doesn't fix it, only makes those who don't care angry. and being on the angry side of the internet nowadays is pretty much asking to be cancelled
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 and yet we do have influence over it. because anime keeps getting subbed or dubbed into English. and crunchyroll exists. I have a feeling you're just very uncomfortable with having your very favorite thing - anime - being criticised. I know it's nice to have a show you love, a community, and friends who love it too. nobody is trying to take these away from you.
@@NoReplyAsset yea, this guy is on a rant and try to say things that she addressed in this video but refuses to see or didn't see it the right way
Said by a Shotacon
@@NoReplyAsset it's just Licensing it doesn't affect the industry
"Media does affect reality."
"When someone starts crying or laughing during an emotional part of a movie, informing them that the situation "is not real" is meaningless, because their feelings are real."
This reminds me so much of the Danganronpa V3 ending and the whole "truth, lie, fiction" thing; it's unfortunate how much the great lessons the game offered about these topics were unnoticed by people.
No, fuck this game. That game killed one of the first female protagonist not from an otome visual novel in favor of a "default status quo" male protagonist for self-inserting, waifu culture, otaku-pandering and fanservice for straight guys. And there's also the false advertising, because they advertised it as having a female protagonist, so I bought it super happy thinking I'd finally be able to play as girl in a visual novel not being a romance otome game. killing or incapacitating a female character in order to develop a male character is an old sexist trope very harmful for women representation in entertainment media and it's popularly called "fridging" or "fridge".
@@liafigueiredo9055 you ok? Did you take your meds?
@@liafigueiredo9055 I feel like buying any piece of media for the sake of having a specific kind of protagonist is a mistake. Buy something for the story and entertainment.
I will complete that phrase for you "Media does affect reality BUT not at the extent of committing a crime".
Now is correct, you're welcome :3
@@liafigueiredo9055 Consider getting help Mr Lolicon defender 🤮
Instead of saying, "I cannot be held responsible for information I don't know," you should've said, "I am not responsible for the money after it leaves my hands."
It's something a lot of people tend to confuse when it comes to giving money. They see giving a street guy money as supporting a drug habit, meanwhile they just came out of a liquor store and are going to be having boxed wine for dinner. There's this classism, entitlement and delusions of grandeur when it comes to homeless/poor people doing anything the non-homeless can.
Like, I remember reading this story on Tumblr about a pair of kids in a nearly-on-the-street family: the younger, autistic brother worked his ass off for months to buy his sister a 3DS for her birthday. They decided to try it out outside, on their own stoop, when a neighbor caught them and berated for having "an item of luxury" without knowing the context. It was earned through hard work but because poor equals, living on the street or dressing in rags, these kids weren't allowed to have an expensive _toy._
The autistic brother was reported to have fallen into a depression and I've never seen any updates. I hope he recovered, but I can see how he would probably grow up neglecting himself/his needs or never buying anyone a gift again after being traumatized like that.
Anyway, the lesson I'm trying to convey is: it's not your responsibility to feel guilty for how a pervert used your money for evil.
Fair point, however I think the point she was trying to make was that she spent time and money on a show she didn't know was made by someone terrible.
Think of it being like someone well intentioned donating to a charity that claims to aid people, let's say a charity that intends to help Autistic people, and tells their friends about it, but then it turns out, that said group was a branch of Autism Speaks, and that money was used promoting anti-vax and ablest bullshit.
Hypothetical person feels bad that they entrusted their money to that charity and recommended it to their friends, but they were under the impression that they were helping at the time. But they can't blame themselves for not knowing what was going on.
All they can do now is tell their friends what happened, and move on.
i gave money to this homeless man once because i wanted to trail him up to the drug dealer and get some good stuff myself, was so disappointed, the dude put the money in his bank account. :P
Can you try & find me the story please!?? About the autistic brother & his sister.
Noirraven: To be fair the homeless should only buy what they need since it's all they can afford.
If a politician says that they specifically want to do some thing and in order to do it they need your help to get elected, that will include contributions to their campaign. Typically that comes in the form of financial contributions.
So if they say they’re going to do something that’s harmful to a group of people and they need your support to do it and you support them by giving them money, guess what that means?
Making this type of content is very important for self-reflection in the community of people who enjoy Japanese media. Responsibly consuming even problematic media requires individuals to be aware and critical of what they consume, and long-form analysis like yours goes a long way to promoting that. I'm very sorry you received so much backlash for your previous video, and I hope you continue to produce similar content in the future.
love this comment
Why would you want to self reflect and look at how you used to consume cp?
@@Sarawarawara- ???? are you inferring something, I don't understand this reply.
@@Sarawarawara- loli* not cp. antis can't tell the difference 🤣
@@Bigsword999 Loli Is different from lolicon loli Is the character and the character has no problem just when people make lolicon
Which literally Is a real word for pedophile so If we are speaking English here we would call It cp not lolicon
As a fellow woman artist out in the industry of pop media (I work in games), thank you for speaking out about problematic things in media. It can be super hard for us to be heard even amongst colleagues, but the more people who talk about this and spread these ideas the better the world will be.
Thank you.
Thank you thank you thank you
@Shin Shaman hello
@Shin Shaman gender is a spectrum sex is a different thing you're probably talking about sexvand even then now you can change it
@Shin Shaman Yes you can if you would like to change it go ahead no one is going to make fun of you.
@Shin Shaman so i did not get half of the things you wrote i don't even use Twitter but anyways. I still believe what i believe have no odeia why infertile women were brought up, and you can just change anything about you if you have the money :/
@Shin Shaman Lmao why do you care this much bro? Like it's really fucking weird that you care this much about what other people are doing with their life's.
i also think that people need to understand that just cuz someone died doesnt mean that you cant call out their shitty actions even if its "disrespectful"
Walt Disney is a great case for this
I guess...If you want to use it as a example for other people.
*ahemahem*_HPLovecraft_*ahemahem*
@@skrrtskrrt2410 whyd he have to do his f@cking cat like that kjfdviearoghnie
@@user-nk2yn2hh6h What?
I appreciate the video and agree with most things. The main thing I don’t agree with is the holier than thou attitude exuded when asking the question “why would you continue to love something after discovering how awful the creator is?” I can’t help that I adore Rurouni Kenshin and Harry Potter. When I found out about the Rurouni Kenshin author I was heartbroken and afraid to rewatch the show and have something that used to be so enjoyable for me be tarnished. I rewatched it and it was tarnished, but not enough that I didn’t still love what is great about Rurouni Kenshin. I realize that all I can do is not directly monetarily support the author, but I will not just cut these works out of my life forever, as I literally find the Harry Potter movies soothing and comforting. I didn’t appreciate the being made to feel “not good/moral enough” to just completely drop some of my favorite media ever. I can go out and look for and support non problematic content while still enjoy a limited consumption of the problematic content that I fell in love with before discovering the truth about the creators.
Thank you!!
I agree with this. I think sometimes what hurts people the _most_ about realizing that one of their favorite creators is a scumbag, is that you look at the media they made, some of which might've been instrumental in teaching you some of your own values, and you wonder... how could they have made this, and still not understood how to be a good person? some of the stuff you learned from their work helped make _you_ a good person... how did _they_ get it so wrong?? it feels like a betrayal, because their work led you to believe that they'd know better. that they'd be better people than they are.
the term "death of the author" is often misused, and this is something else that the video didn't mention, which I wish it had. "death of the author" also means that whatever is in the text, is in the text, regardless of author comments or stated intentions. so, taking J. K. Rowling as an example... if something inside of Harry Potter seems to promote anti-discriminatory ideas, like the idea that magic users born to non-magical families are just as good at magic as anyone else, then that's objectively part of the text... anyone can understand that message when they read it. but so is Hermione's crusade to free the Hogwarts house elves, which is portrayed as silly, because the house elves actually like their enslavement as long as they aren't literally physically abused. they have some sort of magical compulsion to fulfill that enslaved role, so they're actually happier if Hermione just leaves their situation alone. which... sounds for all the world like the kind of rhetoric that white slave owners used to use to justify their keeping of black slaves. it is, at the very least, a really bad point to try and make. and on top of that, Hermione's pursuit of activism on behalf of downtrodden people, is portrayed as a universally silly concept that isn't worth the effort that vocal activists put into it.
both of these messages are simultaneously and objectively in the text, there to be found whenever you read it, always. even if the author were to make a statement that she didn't intend for the harmful stuff to be there. if it's there, it will be found by readers who don't know or care that she said that, in the future. in this case, "death of the author" means that she can't retcon what she already wrote. her word-of-god doesn't matter if a person can still pick these themes out of the end product, for better or for worse. and, likewise, if a ten year old kid reads the Harry Potter series nowadays, and somehow hasn't heard of any of the controversy surrounding Rowling online right now, they probably wouldn't guess that the author has something against trans people. not on their own. ultimately, it's good that a kid wouldn't pick that up from her work, but those who do know might also reread the Harry Potter series with a newly more critical eye for the finer details. if there's a description of a woman who is supposed to be unappealing in the Harry Potter series, and she is ever described as "mannish" then that rings louder alarm bells now, to those who know. and it _does not matter_ if Rowling swoops in and says "well I didn't meant it that way" now... people who know her politics will still find it more distasteful in the context of the information we have.
that is death of the author. it doesn't mean that we can just 100% shelve the author to continue liking what they made as though they had nothing to do with it, or as though none of their issues could've possibly wormed their way into the work they did. you probably didn't absorb their harmful views, because you were young, and looking for the good that the series actually did for you. that's a testament to you, but don't give Rowling more credit than she deserves, for your kindness.
obviously, if you still want to just remember the fun you had with the series when you didn't know there was anything wrong with it at all, you're within your right to operate that way from time to time. but I do think that at some point, it's more appropriate to confront what you know about that author, and turn a more critical eye to their work... to re-examine it for things you might not have noticed. like, if you really want to just use the work for comfort and escapism like you always have for your own benefit... honestly, I think that's also fine? but I think that it is best not to put any more money in the pocket of the person who made the work, and I think it's good to freely examine the work in public spaces where it is being discussed, when you're ready to engage with it on that level. I think you can enjoy something as a comfort in private while also being critical of it in venues where it matters. people are complex, and capable of holding multiple positions on something at the same time, and this is a good area of media engagement to practice that.
Totally agree. I would also like to point out how the main focus shifts on the main authors, completely ignoring other people. Just imagine how much people spend their time in the production of say, a 24 episode series of anime, would @noralities (or anyone else for that matter) stop watching an entire series if she found out that someone in the cast like a sound director commited a crime?
i feel the same - an example i have is that it recently came out that a member of a band i really loved had been abusing and manipulating his girlfriend for years, and after i found out about it i felt too uncomfortable to continue listening to their music, even though i still loved their songs. however, i think its totally fine for other ppl to want to listen to their music knowing about the abuse, and i don't think i'm at all morally superior for not engaging or anything (i actually wish i still could without feeling really bad about it).
i think it's fine to engage with content, even if it's by extremely problematic creators, as long as you don't give them money and keep the fact that they're probably not a morally good person in mind.
I didn’t take that as holier than though. I took it as a question that we all sort of need to deal with. Like HOW do we do this?
"Just in case you were wondering why there aren't a lot of us, it's because we're being intentionally pushed out of this space with this kind of general harassment"
This. Right here.
good, you don't belong here
The harassment bit is so true. This channel is like a breath of fresh air for me, because despite the hate comments I find in the general comments section and replies (such as polished rubbish's reply to your comment) it's still a lot more welcoming, interested, and open to discussion of these topics than lots of other places. which is kinda sad lol but yeah.
Yeah, we need to push them out harder
lol if it pushes you out it should be done more tbh
And how is this bad?
why did i learn from this video that a movie single handedly brought the kkk back
So she could prove a point
Because the U.S. whitewashes its history VERY hard.
Because it really didn't
I don't know, single-handedly is probably a stretch. Let's just say there was fertile soil where that seed got planted.
A 100 year old Propagnada Video during a time where the only way to see it is in theaters that isn't made for the mass public as entertainment but for potential new members, didn't really bring back anything nor have anything to do with the current media. Don't why she even brought it up, but okay.
I appreciate that you take the effort to put your views out despite the fact that they're probably not the most popular. Your perspective is a valuable one and even when you have strong negative opinions about something you convey your feelings in a way that doesn't attack or put down others. Thank you for that.
Don't worry the majority of people who don't like her are just delusional lolicon lovers.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad And you're the guy whose spent like 20 hours responding to every goddamn comment on this video claiming anybody with a counter-point is either misinformed or immoral. that's a terrible attitude to have online.
I have a friend in Japan who has been a victim of sexual harassment from a young age and she's never persued anything against those people because of a: the shame culture and b: how unfortunately common it is. Now it is getting better, and by the time I went to high school in Japan, things were much better. But that doesn't mean the entire culture is without critique.
Also, I know this is way to late and you'll never see it, but James Somerton's video on JKR is really good. It makes the whole thing a lot sadder to me to think about the trans people that felt utterly betrayed.
And also yeah, go piracy!
It’s funny that the shaming used to be on the SA-er, in some twisted way.
As in that it used to be the SA-er was shamed and now it’s the victim almost writes the twisted joke itself, to clarify
Danganronpa V3 explains the theme of "Fiction is not real but it affects reality" pretty well. Just because fiction doesn't technically happen, it can have effects on not only culture and people, but on the actors as well.
This game is very sexist.
V3 the best danganronpa can't change my mind
Ah yes, the game about the story of teenagers murdering each other which causes society to hold annual teenager murdering games for half a century. Truly the pinnacle of great representation of the dangers of media.
@@liafigueiredo9055 h. How
@@jenniferpotterson8786 You're intentionally misunderstanding what they said. Of course the Danganronpe V3 example is kind of hyperbole. But it's core message can very much be applied to real life. Media can very much affect reality, even negatively. For example, after the Game of Thrones-series became popular, a lot of people bought dogs that looked a lot like the direwolves in the show, because they thought direwolves were cool and/or wanted to be more like the Starks, who owned the direwolves. Problem was, the dog breed in question required a lot of care and not everybody who adopted one could provide that. So most of those dogs were returned to the shelters or flat-out abandoned (source: www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/game-of-thrones-dire-wolf-fans-buying-huskies). Media can influence large groups of people, even if doing so wasn't the author's intend. It's like what Nora said, "Media doesn't exist in a vaccum".
Not to be dramatic but I almost cried at 'trans people are more important than a book'??? So thank you it means a lot to me
Hahah same
Keep going strong my friend!
Nora has a gift for saying plainly what needs to be said. That line wasn't directed towards me, but I still felt it - like - why isn't this said so plainly and clearly more often? Well. It will be a bit more now, thanks to her work - and I think it's pretty darn natural to have some heavy feels about that.
Same
Keep going and fighting strong my friend
it's so refreshing to see someone who has the same problems with the anime industry that i've had ever since my introduction to the medium
it feels good to know i'm not alone here
but you looked at anime industry trough their eyes ? she says theres inequality of gender, that theres nothing for her when theres tons for men.. Anime is genderless and Both Sexes Work on it to deliver the experience to the public. theres Loli and Ecchi for those who liked, not just for Male pervs. anime have more men, but doesn't mean is composed for men, you can only see it if you work on it, why would a Woman Work on a Show that sexualizes Children as The VA ? because they are not real and she needs the money
@@lucasyoshikawa5933maybe the wording i used wasn't most fortunate. of course i don't have any problems with the people working on anime like voice actors, animators, composers etc. what i do have a problem with is, among other things, the way many anime series objectify female characters and sexualize children, and how all of this doesn't seem to bother anyone i speak to. sorry for any misunderstandings my original comment may have caused. i am aware that working in any art related field is difficult phisycally, emotionally and financially and demands working on projects that the artists would otherwise prefer not to work on given the possibility.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 you completely missed the point dude, just know you can like anime and acknowledge the problems it has
Should've stayed alone
@@krzysztof2828 That's the Reality Deal with it
Bold of you to assume that there is a thing such as common sense in the internet
@Jotarodorifto
Then prove me you have common sense.
@Jotarodorifto
Proves nothing. I want to see REAL common sense, not basic stuff.
There's nothing truly obvious. I love how people forget culture affects them and their norms in convos related to these things lol.
We just have to hail something as objectively known or true, don't we?
Counter-comment: This is why we need more female anime youtubers
Seconding this, this is absolutely why we need more female anime youtubers
And there was a female anime youtuber who made a video response to Noralities disagreeing with her take on Re: Zero and the Isekai genre.
There are and they don't agree with Noralities
@@raphaelmarquez9650 well yeah women aren't a hive mind lmao, that's cool too.
@Andromeda
This comment just validates people's concerns why there should be more women and or fem presenting content creators for anime. You're so threatened by the opposite sex you can't even handle an opposing opinion from them because it doesn't align to yours. Anime is for everyone, stop gatekeeping you weirdo.
It's nice to hear this perspective from someone who was also once a fan of Rurouni Kenshin. It's been so hard processing what happened, and I still struggle today with the fact that I was inspired by someone who is undeniably a horrible person. I was in denial for a long time. I'm glad you got to come to terms with it, and I think I can now too. As much as I loved the story of ruroken, I won't be purchasing any of the mangas anymore or the merchandise... It's such a horrible shame...
I think you need to forgive yourself. Rurouken is still a really good story, just a really good story made by a monster. Not sure what I'll do with my copies, which were purchased long before the allegations come out. But maybe one day I'll be able to love them again.
If I had read Ruroni Kenshin, I think I would still read it, because I know personally never support or agree with Watsuki's actions. I would rather accept that this is something that happened, acknowledge it and enjoy the media rather than box off something I like since the actions of the creator were reprehensible.
(*Should've waited till I saw the entire video, I think I'd still I'd like the story, but not in the way that would directly support Watsuki. But I'm just saying that I'd have a hard time cutting off something that I love.)
Things like this are the only time i support theft honestly. You don't wanna monetarily support the artists cause they are terrible? Download it/steal it. Although sometimes you can't just enjoy the work anymore because the association with the artists just sits in your head and ruins it.
@@therealfinnaspring8585 That's how I cope tbh. I absolutely love Rurouni Kenshin and it's my favorite anime. Because of the creator, however, it's very conflicting and makes Kenshin's tale of redemption seem belittled.
@@klickonthat5244 This is one situation where ✨piracy✨is good. Ya didn't hear it from me thought 😏
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"It's part of Japan's culture!"
Reminds me of the Americans who own a confederate flag just because of "heritage." Bad ethics aren't a cultural thing.
Plus, honestly, "heritage," "states rights" and other arguments defending the flag (and the flag itself) were used as segregationist dogwhistles by segregationists themselves after desegregation. A couple generations of kids grew up with segregationist propaganda being piped straight into their brains to the ppint where they have internalized it.
Sometimes bad ethics are cultural,
BUT
That doesn't mean they are good and that are immune to discussions.
How hard Is It to know wanting to diddle kids Is not justified by culture?
Technically its not even a cultural thing, it's legal at a national level (age of concent being 13). Though in practical applications you and your partner had best be 20+ or you'll be jailed by the prefectural police with a nice lawsuit from the parents as each precinct has their own amendments and policing separate from the national police (even if they're 18 and they concent, their parents also have to in some cases... its complicated).
Meanwhile confederates were hated in their time, lost any power back in 1865, and have basically been salty bitches ever since. Not technically a 1-to-1 but I get what you're going for, bad ethics =/= culture. 😃
@@TGameDev well confederates were hated by those not in the Confederacy. I live in the south and I def have heard people mention the confederates in a positive light. And they didn't exactly lose power either, shit like Jim Crow laws and shit showed that those with the same beliefs held positions in the government.
This reminds me of an old thought experiment that, now that i think about it, i haven't heard in a VERY long time... There is an artwork created that, for some reason, no one knows who created it, but it is put on display for free to the public because of it's beauty/power/meaningfulness/etc. It becomes an international sensation overnight because of it's effect on people. Those who see it in person are moved in unbelievable and dramatic ways. And you only get the effect from seeing it in person. It's not magic, but the actual physical experience of seeing it directly with your own eyes that brings about the effect. Viewing it online or seeing pictures has some effect, but comparing that seeing in person is a bit's akin to saying a person in the path of a tsunami experiences moisture. Millions of artists become hugely inspired by it, people are brought out of depression into joy at its sight, anyone seeing is wholly enriched in their lives and spirit, and so on and so forth. A few years later, a person who is world known for having done heinous things comes forward. A person who has done things that make 1940's Germany and 1950-60s USSR look like a PG-13 Disney movie. They have irrefutable evidence that they created the artwork and make it known world wide Next, they demand that for it to continue being shown they must be paid a monthly royalty/fee/rent and they must be allowed to continue doing whatever it was they were doing. If they won't be paid, they'll dissappear, but also want the artwork back to destroy it and all copies/images of it striken and outlawed (assume they have the ability to do this somehow) as it was "stolen" from them and they never consented to its display.
Assuming, somehow, that the "evil" this person does is balanced perfectly against the good coming from the work, do you continue displaying the work for people to enjoy and pay the person their fee, or give the work back knowing that it will be destroyed and that all references or copies of it will dissappear, never to be seen again?
I realize that it's an absurd scenario, but that's kind of the point. I probably have not done it justice and I'm sure I haven't remembered in entirely correctly, but the point is to take something that in reality a VERY grey topic (much like whether it's grey or gray🤣) and turn it into a very bright line question. To force the situation into contrast to show that even in the grey-est of situations, everyone has a line that they stand on one side or the other of. In the end you either pay the person and enjoy the work, or you destroy it for everyone and the person stops doing bad things. There is no middle ground in the question and the circumstances are fixed and set. In the end the answer is, where exactly IS "that line" on the scale of grey where things tip from the artist being part of the work to being disconnected from it. If the work is inherently good and produces wonderful and inherently good things/effects, but the person who created it and will also benefit from others benefiting from there work is an inherently bad person and does and continues to do inherently bad things, do you accept the good with the bad or eliminate both?
In the end, I don't know that there is an objectively or even morally "right" answer. Morality and "being right" are whatever society say they are. And from an objective perspective, which I am admittedly bad at, it seems both choices have equal weight. As much as I think a lot of people would like for there to be a universally agreed upon answer, I'm afraid it just comes down to what each of us is individually willing to give up or live with.
This strikes me to my core because it's just. So refreshing to not feel like I'm crazy. To so fully relate to your experience helps me not feel alone or wrong for having an off feeling about certain media my friends love.
i feel the same way!
@@keithadarkwa3772 huh
@@chich-ai oh damn. I didn't even know how that was written. Let me delete that. Your reply brought that to my attention thanks!
“Too gay for the racists, too racist for the gays” - JFK
Lol
Lølī art is gross
@@Just_a_turtle_chad lol, and?
Earl sweatshirt
@@adverseresolve8142 You're also 🤢
I’m one of those 100 viewers living in Japan. I don’t even like anime that much, I just wanted to hear someone tear down that damn loli dragon that’s on all of the posters and advertisements here.
I really enjoyed your argument so much that I’m a subscriber now! I’m glad you’re starting to get the recognition that you deserve!
Praise the Loli Dragon
nice cultural appropriation you got there speaking for the Japanese
@@RADkate I don’t think you know what cultural appropriation is, but good effort 😊
Transphobia in anime is a real problem. It's frustrating and hurtful to see transgender characters being misrepresented or ridiculed. Anime should promote inclusivity and understanding, not perpetuate harmful stereotypes. We need better representation and positive portrayals. Let's speak up and support inclusive anime that celebrates transgender experiences. Together, we can make a difference. 💪🌈
BTW love your vid and your takes. I am agreeing more and more with you the older I get LOL
Man if you think transphibia in anime is a problem, you should see the middle east and Africa. 😅
Anyway; why is it bad for anime to make trans jokes. But you give anime a pass when it jokes about white straight characters? Maybe 41% yourself
Ok so first, we agree that transphobia in anime is a problem and, we agree that transphobia is a problem worldwide right? What is then wrong with me stating such and agreeing with the video? You are also assuming a whole bunch of stuff about me here, while simultaneously basically saying that I can’t complain about something do to the fact that the problem is worse elsewhere (I find this hilarious ignorant)? I also don’t see how your comment is helpful, relevant or meaningful? So I just want to ask you what you are trying to convey in your comment, because right now you are saying a whole bunch of nothing?
(I’m sorry if I seem very aggressive here and I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt)
@@ferris2344 So I just found put noralities cries about female anime sexuLizatiom, yet she draws lewd mha art
If trans weren't linked to actual pedophilia & misogyny maybe there'd be less transphobia, but unfortunately that is how reality is.
For some reason a lot of trans like to dance nearly completely naked in front of children.
Also maybe if trans actually took their medication, they'd wouldn't have to forcibly push themselves into everything and everyone's face.
It's almost like they created their own oppression from within.
@@frogglen6350 source????????? like for any of that???????????
I feel a lot of cancel culture comes out of shaming one person to take the attention off of their horrible addictions that they shame others for while doing the same.
@Random Songs In Locrian Too bad it is sometimes used as a cudgel. When all you have is a hammer, anything that looks vaguely nail-like will get hit, even if it's a screw that did nothing wrong except accidentally look like a nail once and the nail's name is "racism" or whatever.
@Random Songs In Locrian Your both right. Both of you. So dont fight!
@Random Songs In Locrian Oh, there is.
Bullying is absolutely unnecesary.
You're totally right. People are acting like they have always been right and respectable all their lives, and never said something wrong.
@@mississipi1103 Who?
This video came at a great time. One of my friends was unjustly accused of liking incest due to some fandom bullshit. Wont go into detail, but people were super nasty about it. Your video perfectly framed my thoughts
Edit: since people are arguing in the replies i should elaborate my friend never linked incest they just didn't educate themselves on the situation, changed their opinion, and CONTINUED to get harassed
A Turtle doesn't approve of people who like incest 🤮🤮🤮👎
@@Just_a_turtle_chad I love that you're on this video there are so many anime fans who don't listen to criticism every time they hear it they just call it cancel culture
@@lilygirllisa A lot of these anime fans are just reactionary people who don't like hearing anything that goes against anime.
I get the feeling I know the fandom.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad Why is saying that necessary, it is obvious that Rinana also disapproves of incest and that the situation of "unjustly being accused of liking incest" is more similar to people accusing a Voltron ship of being pedophilic than it actually being pedophilic.
To say that "A Turtle doesn't approve of people who like incest 🤮🤮🤮👎" can imply that the person Rinana was talking about did like incest, which I don't think was necessary.
I actually was talking to my Grandma about the Art Affects Reality argument today. She's HoH (Hard of Hearing) and has a cochlear implant, something the recent film Sound of Metal highlights in its dramatization of a drummer losing his hearing. The film was very negative towards the implants and the attempt to get help as a HoH person and we both agreed that a lot of people might see this and not think critically about the fact that the film /is/ a dramatization and may not seek the help they want because a Hollywood film told them they were just going to find frustration and sorrow if they do.
Also, thank you for making both of these videos. Not only are they enjoyable to watch and think about, they remind me to keep thinking critically about the media I'm engaging with (which I always love to do)!
She said FICTION affects reality not ART.
@@rinsenpai5348 Art and fiction can be the same thing dude..
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 ik but she used a fucking nazi symbol as an example of how FICTION can affect reality. The nazi symbol Is something that represents a real life group, not a fiction
@@rinsenpai5348 I don’t disagree! I meant it more as a similar saying that people in the social studies of the arts use very frequently that can still be used in this case as I believe writing is still an art form.
Hey, i know that you're getting a lot of criticism right now and a lot of hate. and while i do agree with some of the criticism i want you to know that i still think this was a great video! just ignore the genuinely hateful comments and take into consideration the genuine comments that are genuine criticism! I know that this video genuinely came from a good and insightful place! I hope you are doing okay through all of this!
it’s so cathartic almost to hear you so adamantly express these views that are so hard to find people talking openly about. thank you so much for making content like this!
@@murderman8578 yes, you stop being so butthurt
Hard? It's extremely easy to find Redditors that have these type of godawful opinions.
@@kek-senpai243 I have to ask how you could possibly view these opinions as "godawful" after watching this video. Imo it takes a special kind of ignorant stubbornness to have walked away with absolutely nothing after this vid(which leads me to believe that you are 1, young or 2, completely opposed to self-reflection and/or empathy). And yes, it's hard to find these kinds of opinions on anitube.
@@ellabarncastle4210 the video is bad.
@@kek-senpai243 damn, you are really butthurt, arent you?
I do appreciate you addressing the whole Death of the Author argument. It's supposed to be used as an analysis of a work, not as a means to justify enjoying it. Also, it's meant to separate intent of the author from what actually made it on to the pages. Like, Dumbledore being gay is never directly mentioned in the text, and is at best alluded to. If Rowling wanted to brownie points for having gay representation, it needed to be in the text, not some tweet on Twitter. That's how Death of the Author is intended to be used; not saying Harry Potter should be taken away from her because she did a bad.
i really, really hate the argument that "it's just japanese culture!" it perpetuates the idea that a) japanese people are a-ok with the sexualization b) japanese people (they're most just referring to japanese women) are inherently sexual and c) all of japanese culture can be found in anime. it's like watching idk, family guy, parks n rec, riverdale, etc. and going "yeah, that's just american culture." *japanese media does not fully portray japan.* there are still problems in japan that a lot of anime fans simply don't want to admit, and a lot of that is because anime most often don't delve deep into those problems, instead putting a more comedic twist on them or even romanticizing them. you can still enjoy a show while admitting its flaws. someone making an argument against a show you love doesn't take anything away from your love of it.
the comparison of american shows and anime shows was kinda eh
@@blitz4506 they weren't being compared to eachother, they were being compared to American/Japanese culture.
but for them to make MORE of this kind of content is exaclty that, they make content for the horny, doesn't matter the sex, they are okay with it, even if its wrong, its the market, if the women were against, why do we still have REAL people doing it ? in JAVs, Voice Acting, Gravure Idols, they are Selling their bodies for money and fame, they sometimes regret the decision, but they ratter humiliate themselves than die being truthfull and pure
@@blitz4506 it did tho? they were basically saying that you cannot say that a show is portraying accurately a culture, for example a lot of american shows show teenagers having a very active sexual life, am I going to say it's ok or real? no, while it still can have an effect on how ppl portray those teens and how they see themselves, same concept with "lolis"
and about sexualization (of Real Girls), its Still Okay with the Laws, theres why they keep making it despite being wrong. Now what about the Fictional ones ? you cannot touch a drawing, its a bad Taste rather than a serious issue
I know lovecraft is like the most famous dead author was actually a racist but there’s much more to his story. Lovecraft was pretty much scared of everyone, he was paranoid, suffered a traumatic childhood, suffers from mental illness, sad love life, was poor, and died slowly from cancer. And the place in which he grew up felt like the only safe for him but as immigrants moved in he most likely felt that his save heaven was being invaded. Also overtime his views on other races changed .Sure what he writes may be way more hurtful even for his time but this was a man paranoid of everything.
Also his uncle gave the cat that name.
I doubt he could write such xenophobic books, if he wasn't xenophobic himself. It's really a great window into other man's conciousness. I, myself, like that horror of unknown and foreign he describes, it's really something on the gut level.
I also think that he was self aware enough to recognize WHY the Immigrants scared him.... After all isn't it him who said the oldest and most primal fear is fear of the unknown? Other races scared him because they as people were unknown to him. The man knew fear and paranoia, and that's what he wrote....
There's always more to the story when racists make things that contribute to the dehumanization and abuse of people of color.
Fear is a common root of racial hate, people hate things they don't understand. But be careful not to center the tragedies of a man who stood by cheering for the genocides of innocent people over the hurt and dead people his actions caused.
Being hurt does not give you the right or any justification to hurt others.
In fact the whole “he was probably scared that people were invading his safe space” is something I think you need to sit down and think about.
I'm pleased to tell you that my first introduction to your channel was your Princess Tutu video, upon which I have already heaped my adoring praise. :D
So really I want to say how brave I think you are, stepping up to say these kinds of things that NEED to be said, knowing the kind of hate you'll get for it. I think that's amazing and I can only hope positive commenters help balance out the negative. You're doing amazing, but I'm also glad to hear your next project will go a little easier on you. Be well, and take care of yourself!
Im sorry the weirdo anime people found your last video. What you said what objectively true and really opened mind, Im glad your still at it!
Nice avatar btw.
Jojolion is almost finishing and is in a great moment!
God I am too. Some of them were mean. While I appreciate her being mature and very respectful about it. People who are like them don't deserve it imo just from experience alone.
Damn I sometimes wonder what made them think that way
I'm glad they found it, if for every 10 that where assh0les at least 1 can start doubting what they think and try to learn and better, its progress
@αηgєl кσƒ
Very true dude, I was in that state of mind too when I was 13-14? (I'm 17 rn) it's just more sadder knowing it's mostly adults who don't know how to have a nuance perspective on japan's culture that perpetuates in anime and worse when younger people, like mostly teens defend it because it's so normalized.
Krone's visual depiction is unfortunate, because she is a very well-written, fleshed out, intelligent, and nuanced character and you really do feel for her when she's quite literally made to be a sacrificial lamb. Hopefully the Amazon series be able to focus on these positive traits while getting rid of these negative stereotypes... that's assuming the series is any good to begin with and they don't completely botch it.
Yeah I enjoy how she was written, but the Illistraitor really messed up.
truthfully, i believe they "fixed" her anime version as much as they could without straying from her OG design. which her OG design is actually fucking terrible and I hate it so much.
Yeah. Honestly I hope she was made like that to be more scary than racist, but you never know and I'm not willing to close my eyes at the problem. The thing that makes me think that way is that there are actually different skin colored characters, though I might be wrong and they might be just tan. Still, a redesigned version would be better for everyone I think
Why unfortunate? Black people are not a monolith group.
I've already seen irl black girls that looks like her, and that because of fact that my mom spend a bunch of her time watching Congolese shows and being herself congolese.
Krone is supposed to be terrifying. So black people can't also be shown as terrific or it's racist?
Well if you could spend some minutes researching at some african movies with full black characters, you will see that some of them looks like Krone.
@Selin Because the way that Isabelle was terrifying was different. What makes Krone caricaturized?
Honestly, how can people get mad at you? You have such a pleasant calm, reasonable manner of explaning your points. They'd literally have to not listen to a word you say to get upset at you for perfectly sensible arguments.
She was proven to be a shotacon, therefore she's a hypocrite.
@@Mecks089wait wtf? source?
@@dickgraysonnr1fan th-cam.com/video/VXiH3FVy1Xc/w-d-xo.html
people get mad at her because
1) she's an damn hypocrite who literally made ships of bakugou and deku from my hero academia
2) her sources are fucking dogshit, literally go to google academics and search on the subject of fictional taboo porn and you'll see how full of shit she is, fiction has never, will never and should never be the thing responsible of someone's vile crimes, trying to shift the blame onto fiction is extremely idiotic and just throws the problem under the rug
3) she said that the creator of miss kobayashi's dragon maid made CP, which is an load of bullshit on so many levels, first, CP is defined by actual children being sexually exploited and a anime character is not a fucking child by definition, and on top of that, both characters on those mangas are a college student and a college drop out, and not to mention if she actually believed it was CP, do you actually think she would've been sharing the image here even if it was censored? if she actually believed on the nonsense she was spewing she would've been in jail by now because she would be distributing CP
rarely do i find a really nuanced and reasonable take on problems in anime. every time i see something gross in an anime i feel like im the only person bothered by it. your channel is a blessing xoxo
Pretty sure a majority of the internet share these godawful opinions.
@@kek-senpai243 good
NORALITIES? MORE LIKE BASED!
Jokes aside I haven't gotten past the intro yet but I want to say I appreciate you for making the content that you are. You're really making me think of stuff from a different perspective (and gave me a push to try out sailor moon in a weirdly tangential way.)
Please don't let awful people get you down
I'm gonna slip in to give some tips on the Sailor Moon stuff since it is a mess to get into if you're new, you can ignore but i thought i help to have a place to start :)
So you may wanna try Sailor Moon manga first if you're not up for the idea of a bunch of filler episodes from the 90's anime, i know that gets people off from the idea and a lot of the choices were contradictory to the manga, but if you're not a manga person you could try the remake Sailor Moon Crystal, its a lot more sticked to the manga and a lot more easy to watch as it's a little more straight to the point. All have their con and pros but they're all equally enjoyable if you like the whole magical girl genre. You may not after all but i appreciate people giving it a try, i hope if you do watch it you have a pleasant experience :)
@@garf1906 Oh thanks! But I already started the 90s anime and...the filler isn't bad? I don't remember much of naruto or dragon ball z, some of the other anime airing at the time, but the filler in sailor moon is integrated very well into the setting. And the show being more of a comedy helps.
That said I do plan on reading the manga and watching crystal at some point!
More like what noralities even mean?
@@gayrozayppeli8431 omg YES!!! I was gonna make that point too im glad you agree, its just that a lot of Sailor Moon fans sometimes get too caught up in nostalgia that we kinda get lost gjsjjdjw im glad you agree, yEs the filler does help to appreciate the characters more fjjd so yEs manga is great too, its like a compromise between the two works really, they weirdly connect nicely so i hope you also enjoy that!
@@garf1906 I remember trying to watch Sailor Moon, it was basically one of the first anime that I ever tried watching so I never expected 90% of the show to be filler. Felt like Japanese Scooby Doo.
When I hear the argument that art is not important and its not real
I will always remember Who's afraid of red yellow and blue a painting and what happened to it
You watched that video too, don't you
@@ucnguyen6375 "Surprises its fascism"
jacob geller is incredible, love that video
Context please?
@@soleil-in-the-sky there’s a jacob geller vid about a famous painting called “Who’s afraid of red yellow and blue?”, a piece of abstract art consisting only of the colors red, yellow and blue, which was vandalised. The video is really good, you should watch it.
Watching this in 2022, the mention of Lindsay Ellis and Natalie Wynn as good sources for more info on JK Rowling's fucked up shenanigans in a video about how indiscriminate cancel culture has become feels extremely and depressingly on the nose.
I hope Lindsay Ellis has had a chance to heal some after getting away from the meat grinder she's been put through for the better half of a decade.
What most shocked me is how tame and level-headed Rowlings statements are. If i listened only to twitter activists, I would think she is calling for exterminations. Turns out, she has the same moderate opinions that many trans people also have. But only some activists and sheep proclaim her evil, and somehow try to attribute to her statements a malice and harm that is simply not existent.
@@TheJaguarthChannel Nah, Rowling is absolutely a nasty and hateful person. She's pretty much plummeted down the terf rabbit hole to the point where she's now buddy-buddy with awful people like Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull and Matt Walsh.
@@TheJaguarthChannelif you only looked at Rowling's statements several years ago devoid of any context, I could maybe see how a reasonable person would think that. But she has gotten considerably worse over the last couple years to the point you really can't claim she's a "moderate" in any sense. Please look at the context of what she's saying and the people she's defending. I don't even use Twitter for the record.
It's nothing like the situation with Lindsay Ellis at all.
@@jmiller6066 I know each thing Rowling has said in context, and i completely agree with her. I disagree with those bullies or deluded who keep trying to claim that disagreeing with them is somehow an evil or bigoted thing. That is an absurd way to try and shut down conversation. It's entitled and illiberal.
@@TheJaguarthChannel I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, but if you're being honest, then I'm sorry, but your view is not any more "moderate" than Rowling's.
I do not need to cancel shows because my Ships r not cannon. They all sail in my heart. :(
wtf are you talking about
What...? I'm so confused on what you're talking about
(TW) Doxxed, Harassement, Shipping Charaters.
I think they are talking about people cancel other people for their ship like ex: some alot people got cancel or harassed because they ship deku x urauka by bakudeku or Tododeku shippers and it happen with fandoms like me that ship Saimatsu (Shuichi x Kaede) and Kiibouma (Kiibo x Kokichi) And hear stories that people got cancel or worse got doxxed by i believe Saiouma shippers and this the reason alot people quit their fandoms because these actions. I believe she talking about.
Crazy fans cancelling authors for not making their headcanon ships real (Ship is a romantic couple between characters).
@@mariae.8160 basically yea and i feel bad the authors has to deal crap and it sad tbh :(
Bruh I'm so happy that someone actually puts their points for the opposite side into actual reasonable and respectful terms.
Tbf, I think going on Twitter to discuss this heavy topic wasn't a good idea. That wasn't the right move to have a reasonable discussion.
I myself am an advocate for the freedom of expression of any artist. No matter how problematic or morally abhorrent the subject of the media could be. And as idealistic as it sounds, I wish to trust in the market of ideas of the general public to notice that the media in question displays morally abhorrent content.
As for my personal views on sexualising underage fictional characters specifically, it's a bit complicated. I don't consume that media, and I do what I can to avoid seeing it as much as I possibly can because it makes me uncomfortable.
How ever, just because I personally am uncomfortable by a subject, I don't want to go over the line when we ban or censor media. The connection between the consumption of Lolicon and it's causation of rl child abuse is kind of shakey. And the reason I find just a slight problem with trying to blame fiction for real world crimes is because I don't want criminals to have a scapegoat to attract attention away from them, to lessen their accountability for their crimes.
To me, that argument seems akin to the "r@pe p*rn causes real life rape" argument, even though there's no evidence to back it up. At the end of the day I believe criminals are completely accountable for the crimes they commit, and blaming fiction could lead to a rabbit hole of censorship of media that wishes to explore taboo and sensitive topics.
But that only applies to media that doesn't include abuse or incite violence or extreme ideologies in a positive manner. If there are media that that presents these topics in a positive manner, then I believe the creators should be immediately investigated.
If you read this, thanks for listening.
Exactly this. There’s a tricky line between committing the act vs something that’s just a lewd fantasy. While there are kinks that are practiced regularly, a lot of them also stay based in fiction for a multitude of reasons. Anything from being impractical to perform, how the consequences of performing it severely affect lifestyle, to harming others or even one’s self.
By the end of the day fictional versions of these fantasies are often the best or even only way to filter out or exercise these kinks safely (even if some of these people’s kinks bother me a lot).
Again, this isn’t to say criminals shouldn’t be held responsible for committing actual crimes. Media that promotes harm should be held accountable when doing so just like you said.
This here is the moderate and right way to look at it, but ppl here who love cancel culture will try to force their views into others to get their way, like Noralities.
I agree with this completely
Thank you, I agree and was trying to put this sentiment into words myself.
'theres no evidence to back it up' true there isn't but that's because as she pointed out things like this aren't well researched to begin with just because there isn't basically any research doesn't mean it's fine.
Also I think her point was more to do with desensitisation and the idea that once a culture is so saturated with an idea through media (in this case cartoon drawings of children being molested) punishment becomes less severe because in the minds of the people this is something very commonplace and almost 'normal' when it really REALLY isn't, especially in Japan's case.
You're right in an ideal world people could create whatever the fuck the wanted and people could come to their own conclusions, but heres the thing. A lot of people barely think about the media they consume, most people can barely tell you why they like something let alone if something is actively bad. People watch, not engaging beyond that meanwhile subconsciously becoming desensitised to some really awful things.
I personally don't care if they were to ban loli outright in my country. I think it's fucked up and unless more research is done to prove otherwise I do think is does more harm than good.
Can't wait for the Sailor Moon video, the english opening theme song has been carved into the grooves of my brain
It's such an iconic as fuck opening. And I think they kept it for like 3 or 4 seasons which is like
Kind of amazing by itself
Can't wait for her video on why sailor moon is bad ir coded
“crimes that hurt no one, like shoplifting”
*cries in my bonus being dependent on the Home Depot I work at being successful*
I know you guys are going to say that companies shouldn’t punish employees for shoplifters stealing stuff, but the reality is that they do. It harms the minimum wage employees because corporations are like that. Don’t hurt people just because you think they shouldn’t be hurt by your actions, look at what harm the actions actually do
thank you for saying this! Honestly I had no idea that was a thing. Cooperation's don't care is something's wrong or right
Home Depot is billion dollar company, they’re still the ones that are hurting you in the situation, not some random guy who lifted a pack of drywall screws
@@wajmgirl Accept responsibility for what you did in the situation, rather than blaming it on something out of your control.
@@Dracomandriuthus no I am not going to stop, you can't get me to respect property law
First I want to say thank you for the video. As someone who struggled to overcome the racist and misogynistic views instilled in me by my racist and religious family, I really appreciate this. I'm 30 now and it took me 6 years after I moved out at 18 to realize a lot of my views were harmful biases I'd learned growing up and not how the world actually was. Thanks to coming to those conclusions, I've finally found a healthy relationship with a woman I like that's going on 5 years now. And while I still struggle with my own inner demons and can't afford to seek therapy, videos like this assist in my own self reflection and I glad for it.
This channel is like a voice of reason among the anime community. I am glad Noralities exist.
i wouldn't say voice of reason, we shouldnt idolize no one but ourselves, but she is doing good by raising awereness
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 what awareness?
Not really.
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 How about "reasonable voice"? Maybe, "voice that says reasonable things". I read somewhere that the key to public speaking is knowing what your audience is thinking and saying it for them - it seems our host here has a talent for that. I wouldn't say pointing that out goes so far as to idolize.
voice of hypocrisy if anything
did yall forget how she was gawking over a shota in another video? or how about in this very vid she shows uncensored shota hentai?
you want her to be your voice of reason? really? are you sure about that?
I find it impressive how the vibes stay chill even when talking about stuff like this, this is really entertaining, and I cannot express how much I needed to hear the "everything is going to be ok" at the end. It's nice to see some logical thinking, especially because I live in a very America part of America
22:30 "making a film right after the civil war glorifying the Klu Klux Klan" this is going to be nitpicky but the civil war ended in 1865 and birth of a nation came out in 1915. like 50 years between the two.
I find people who think they’re immune to messaging from media are usually the most susceptible to it, since they fundamentally lack the ability to think critically about the influence of media on themselves.
Bingo ✔️
Alternatively, they live in a media bubble where the ideas presented are so accepted by them they don't even recognise they've already internalised them and have already been affected.
200 Iq statement
Well said. I guess we could also say that some media is very effective at slipping under the radar. It's designed to
influence people sometimes in ways that make it easy for someone to not notice they were influenced by it. Reminds me also of Buadrillard's ideas about the matrix or a simulation.
I was hoping that the Jaws bit would be brought up since, it is one of the best examples of how fictional media, can affect reality and people's perception on topics. Fiction has both affected and influenced reality despite what people say. Dont stop making these videos, we need more critiquing media we have today.
I mean kinda, this just feels similar to the whole "violent video games make people violent because it incentivizes violence" argument.
Hang on. people weren't afraid of sharks or hunting thek before that movie was made?
True, it's basic logic and classical conditioning but if you bring up actual scientific facts, people still defend the issue and call you names
yeah no it was debunked as a myth as there were not public panics about sharks and is largely due to overfishing that shark populations were going down even to this day
@@roonkolos No, people were afraid of sharks before the movie was made and the book was written. However, Western views on sharks was radically changed due to a real life incident called the 1916 Jersey Shore Shark Attacks. If you look into it, you'll find that most people at that time knew so little about sharks that they thought they were just dumb harmless fish. But after the attacks that perception did a complete 180, and that perception was fed into western culture for decades after. It also didn't help that, afterwards, reports of actual shark attacks were sensationalized in western presses.
OMG THANK YOU! I've been trying to get the point about hyper sexualized kids in anime across to some of my other anime loving friends for thd last decade. It's so weird that people don't get that.
We do get it we just don't care and complaining won't change that
I would hope it's because they watch the majority of anime that doesn't hyper sexualize children.
I'm an artist it, I've done some Ecchi furry artwork for commissions. Would you classify me a Zoophile? Would you classify every furry as Zoophile? Minstraling happen in live action, it's not just cartoons. It must be nice to an American, and think you and your culture is right about everything. They're slandering a culture you know nothing about. I mean should we cancel beastars for being lite furry porn, it a great series with plot not easily described any other way.
One thing they got right is cancel culture is dumb. Separating your support from a media you like because they do something you don't agree with is dumb if think it's okay to consume the same art if they were dead.
1. The estate still live. How far does the acorn fall from the tree? Do you care? Are you absolved for your willful ignore?
2. Statistically, there was pedophile or rapist on the on production team for all media, like that Me too guy. Are you willing to cancel of media because is some way for a fact some pedophile is using you money to live?
3. Production is only one person, it studios full of people try to live. Is it right cancel them and pirate their hard work because one person you know is bad?
@@murderman8578 nothing ever changed by not caring, if your so afraid of becoming the mythical "sjw" that the right winged has propagandized to you then youre being urged right now to change your mindset.
My voice is a pointless expression in an endless din, but I would point out that Death of The Author is an *analytical* technique, one aimed at removing the lived experience and context of the writer from the analysis of a piece of work. People can't and shouldn't just cite it so they don't have to feel bad for buying stuff from an asshole, it requires critical analysis and consideration.
I've never heard someone put how art influences people in such simple and clear terms. That was very well said.
Nah
Agreed.
theres good an bad coming from it, but learning to not mix reality with fiction an not be influenced by the media is key
Like video games
@@murderman8578 yes
The comments you showed at the start of the video are basically why i try to stay away from the anime community for the most part
Good. We dont want you here either
tbh, same
I try not to let the flies spoil my enjoyment of the farm - there's plenty of wholesome, welcoming folks out there.
@@misakayy1911 this is why you has no friends, kid
@@skyxclouds3765 actually my friends are cool because they dont listen to anime y*tubers
(About the dragon maid in the beginning) I was in a sexually abusive relationship when I was 14 he was 20. He was really into anime and would always make lewd comments about the child characters (even if they were sexualised or not) and then proceed to try and reflect those lewd thoughts onto me bc of my age, and call me by the characters name. Constantly talking about how he loved my “child look”, that way it felt more “realistic” to him.
I hope you fine now.
my situation's a bit more different, but alike !! thats y i get rlly upset when ppl say "it doesn't affect reality", like?? they wouldnt know that lmao ALSO i hope ur feeling fine now !!
@@justsomesperm Yeah I totally agree! Then again I don’t believe everyone who watches a show with sexualised characters (in anime) are bad ppl. You can still watch them and not be creepy you know.
But don’t act like it doesn’t affect reality. This whole ”it’s just art” argument makes me mad!
And to answer you’re last question, yes I’m fine now and surrounded by better ppl :)
I'm so sorry for what happened to you and hope you are fine.
Media totally affects reality.
I knew two boys from my highschool who were lolicon and would creep on 12 year old girls regularly. On a trip abroad, they also have been reported to hit on children in front of a elementary school. Truly horrifying.
Sadly at the time I did not know about it and now, after my graduation, I'm glad to never see them again.
@@thetiniestbean4898 that’s so terrifying. I hope more people come to understand that these things effects the reality we live in.
I like how she mentioned H.P love crafts cat.
I think another thing with fiction and reality is that healthy discussion and criticism of media in general can help create consciousness over separating reality and fantasy, so that people are aware of harmful stuff propagated by certain media, and can consciously avoid internalizing it when enjoying that media, regardless of whether the media itself is regulated or anything like that.
A Turtle approves of criticizing problematic media.
She was intentionally misleading with her information. Take for example the stuff about abuse rates increasing in Japan. Those rises reflect physical abuse, which has seen similar increases everywhere due to the pandemic. Sexual abuse has always been, and remains to be lower in Japan than almost any other country, and is a FRACTION of the rates we see here in the West.
people get weird ideas whenever they see someone, especially a woman, making a point they don't like. keep it up! these points need to be made, and you make the world better by making them.
*that bitch by bea miller intensifies*
Its true
Ikr?
For example, One Piece is my absolutely favorite manga and it's mostly consumed by woman in Japan, which doesn't mean there isn't any criticism to be made about how Oda portrays women and lgbt.
That being said, he is making some nice improvements in this last arc, at least regarding transgender.
Making constructive criticism NEVER should be considered a problem, even writers should ask for help and feedback to make a better work, you know?
Given how these types of people can be, can you really be surprised
@@UmTois i think i watched a video here on yt were someone showed japanese female fans being critical of some of Oda's decisions regarding design and he just brushed them off, an odd experience that was
Thank you for addressing how anime often sexualizes children and women and explaining how it truly affects reality. Those are the main reasons why I tend to feel uncomfortable watching that kind of media, especially the stuff some male relatives watch. Having someone ruthlessly spell it out in plain terms with no excuses is so refreshing!
but it only affects reallity if the ones that do it already had the Fckd tendensies, not because they are influenced by a cartoon, if it was Really a Problem there would be none in anime
We dont defend Child sexualization, we dont care about FICTIONAL child sexualization, the Response is about her mixing the two like they are one and the same
we dont care about the Dragon maid Loli because she doesnt represent a real person
we Cared About the Cuties movie because there WAS REAL CHILDREN DOING IT
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 ok
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 🤡
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 fictional or not still an child lmao
Feels odd to comment it on a video like this one, and a year after it's release, but watching back through some of your videos I adore how you out together your points, they're structured in a way that, while wholly accurate and true, is still entertaining and {usually} not too dark to have on in the background.
And also just how affirming and sweetly you talk, it makes hard times a little bit easier to just hear little kind words like at the end of the video.
I have no idea why everyone knows that vending machines are more deadly than sharks.
this is mainly due to people getting mad at the machine and it falling ontop of the person completely smothering them of air and crushed under it while a shark attack is rare and only really attacks if there is blood present or mistook you as a seal
We should start destroying all vending machines. 3.50 for a 16oz can of soda is too much!
@@milkstir6136 I wished more people would BE the opposite of Cancel-Culture.
I mean:
Holy Flip.
I know, a bit random, but its so heavy on my mind, i just have to say it 'somewhere':
I just found that theres a YT-Channel literally named 'Normalizing Nudity'!
Wow!
Every single Video is report-worthy!
A craaazy channel, where the Gender-Ratio being off is really only one thing that tipps you off that this Channel is NOT educational, duh...
...Wow...
I wished more people would report or flag channel. Going out of their way to help the plattform; know what i mean?
Honestly I gotta say it's nice to finally have found a channel saying the same stuff I've been saying for literal years now. Sometimes it feels like no one else cares about how sexualized children are in anime, or even worse, they enjoy it. This is my favorite TH-cam channel now.
Same^^
She was intentionally misleading with her information. Take for example the stuff about abuse rates increasing in Japan. Those rises reflect physical abuse, which has seen similar increases everywhere due to the pandemic. Sexual abuse has always been, and remains to be lower in Japan than almost any other country, and is a FRACTION of the rates we see here in the West.
@@Phatnaru0002 that's pretty scummy of her if true
We need to protect this channel from the reactionary lolicon defenders.
@@Just_a_turtle_chad She's not only intentionally misleading with statistics, she's also a hypocrite. She has a history of [censored]ualizing shotas.
I *love* how you used A Silent Voice as an example here. You didn’t even explain it, you just let us pick up on it, and it was beautiful.
Can you elaborate on this please because I've always viewed it as shining light on problematic behaviors
@@elara6370 she was talking about how one mistake doesn’t define a person forever, and showed clips of the main character of a silent voice attempting to make amends for his mistakes.
@@ris8065 ah thanks that makes more sense!
@@elara6370 I wished more people would BE the 180 degree opposite of Cancel-Cultrue!
I even know how.
I know, a bit random, but its so heavy on my mind, i just have to say it 'somewhere':
I just found that there is a YT-Channel literally named 'Normalizing Nudity'!
Wow!
Every single Video is report-worthy!
A yt-channel, where the Gender-Ratio being off is really only one thing that tipps you off that this Channel is NOT educational, duh...
...Wow...
I wished more people would report or flag channel. Going out of their way to help the plattform; know what i mean?
@@ris8065 so why does she hate Subaru then
I can tell that a lot of research and effort went into this video but you made a mistake in your arguments.
6:15 The PROTECT Act of 2003 was overruled. It was overruled because it was unconstitutionally vague, and so it has no legal value. This law was also made in 2003 when a lot of countries were struggling to find appropriate laws to cover the rapid growth of the internet. A more accurate law to point to on this topic would be the "18 US Code § 2256" which (to paraphrase) says that the depiction has to be to be indistinguishable from real children or adults for it to be considered an offence. So your point about this being unprotected speech is technically not true.
Your counter argument about Japan's lower rape count showing that its not what its reported to be is very concrete. Though, A Study done by Miltonn Diamond, Petr Weiss, and Eva Jozifkova called "Pornography and sex crimes in the Czech Republic" showed that in the Czech republic, after decriminalizing all possible sexual content, there was a rapid decline in the number of reported cases of child abuse. This study also Showed similar results in Denmark and Japan. So take that how you will.
Arguments like the ones at 39:55 are very exhausting to read, so I would also like to make a stronger counter argument against your "Fiction does not equal Reality" and "Media does affect Reality" segments. The 1st amendment was made to protect unpopular opinions, even harmful ones. This is a very political matter with a lot of basis in opinion, but I personally don't find value in allowing governments to have control over the personal expression of others in any situation, even when that expression is harmful or offensive. Only exception to that being is if the art being made causes harm in the process of creation. Though I do agree that if you find media that you don't agree with that you shouldn't support it, and even do what you're doing to counter said media. This helps society as a whole figure out what it wants by itself without giving more artificial influence to one part of it. I get that this is somewhat boiling down to "it doesn't harm children" and if you wanna make a stretch also "if you don't like it don't watch it", but I feel that it is important to tie this into a bigger picture. Also based on your video it doesn't seem like you completely disagree with me.
Basically what I'm saying here is that the implications of a possible correlation between media and action doesn't justify censorship, and the people as a whole should decide how they want to express themselves and what expressions they want to support. This is partly in agreement to your point, but your point is about creators taking responsibility and being held accountable for their art and its more against certain types of media while mine is more welcoming to all opinions and expressions to be put into into the judgment cauldron of society.
Thanks for making this video, there were lots of really great points that I can agree with, and I think the "how to move forward" section hit it spot on the nose. I could also call you out for getting mad at people that don't do research (which idk why you would expect that from a 'normal' youtube comment) and then getting the PROTECT Act part wrong, but its really a common mistake, and I only point this out now because I find it funny xD. Though this video did get me to think about this topic and eventually help me come to my own conclusion which I can discuss... with no one probably, because i find it hard to think that anyone would read all of this hahah.